outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

because secondary targets with fazed dont take increased damage from blade flurry

[latent oak]

ks faces u at ur target

[glass mortar]

i mean thats consistent now no solo?

ghostly also works like that

[latent oak]

its same for gs aswell isnt it

if u gs an off target

[glass mortar]

wait were u aware ghostly no longer buffs BF on off targets if u ghostly strike an off target

i cant remember when we discovered that

might have been s1

[gaunt phoenix]

yes it's not on ghostly either

[glass mortar]

actually no it was due to trickster BF 110% off target cleave shenangins we even checked

so recent

[frail veldt]

I didn't know that

I thought it did

[glass mortar]

yea idk when it changed

[timid idol]

is there no build without killing spree in m+

[glass mortar]

could have been since TWW started

[timid idol]

this shit is unusable

[frail veldt]

So fazed works the same as gs

[glass mortar]

its not like its something we actively check

it has no use cases

but ghostly used to work like that

[frail veldt]

But yeah so would this not make us want to spread fazed?

If they were to change it

[glass mortar]

well

[gaunt phoenix]

you spread fazed with ks bro

[frail veldt]

I know

[glass mortar]

what is the alternative

[latent oak]

its not perma up is it

[frail veldt]

But not to all targets potentially

[glass mortar]

fazed is perma up on ur main target

who cares if it aoe spreads

[latent oak]

from ks?

[frail veldt]

And not perma yeah

[frail veldt]

Well if they make it buff BF we would care

[glass mortar]

i guess for target swapping

sure

i assume its intended to not tho

since unlike sub our unseen blade already scales with aoe in some capacity

(it flurries)

[frail veldt]

I think fazed buffed damage to main target should just apply to bladeflurry hits

That would be the best solution imo

[latent oak]

ya, but idk its kinda wierd design to have 2 separate multipliers on bladeflurry damage in the tree i guess?

[upbeat tundra]

wait can i delete this weakaura yet

[coarse plover]

Did they fix GM snapshot?

[latent oak]

dont think anyone has thouroughly tested yet

[upbeat tundra]

what if they just told us

[latent oak]

then solo wouldnt have his fun

hitting target dummies

[hollow temple]

🥄

[latent oak]

he loves that kind of thing

[coarse plover]

I will be laid off for ten times as a swe with this bug fixing pace

[tight egret]

Ugh, I really hope they didn't hotfix it

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[frail veldt]

Well in it's current implementation fazed is like 1% value in AOE lol

[upbeat tundra]

can we delete this weakaura yet

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

im in raid

[upbeat tundra]

just leave

[real yew]

did they took our evasion trick on Rik?

[gaunt phoenix]

i did it earlier

so they would have changed it within the hour

[real yew]

I've tried 4 times and got stunned on all of them.

[sullen wyvern]

what evasion trick?

[proven ocean]

idk how u can run around with that pfp

trying to read ur name alone made my table float to mars

[real yew]

where u cast evasion when he's going to land

[glass mortar]

if they hotfixed it

[real yew]

on that little circle

[sullen wyvern]

didnt know you could do that

thank you blizzard

keep fixing shit that benefit us

[tight kernel]

Roulette wheel, big vers little crit.. honestly not bad

[glass mortar]

like the best ring u can get

😠

a little not bad yea

[tight egret]

I got big crit and little vers in vault 😦

[real yew]

lol, strange..

[tight egret]

Makes sense if they were also fixing GM

probably just pushed a few fixes at the same time

[stuck patrol]

You sweet summer child

[errant terrace]

:3

got this bad boy early

my group got 2 of em, and 1 champ

[glass mortar]

you know what

i managed to my match my kir fatebound ST dps sim on sprocket rekill

and i will fucking take it

i do not get to practice fatebound ST kir enough to be comfortable with this

[runic bough]

we have a dud vault this week guys

i could take jastor and try sin

or

catalyst the shoulders

[covert kestrel]

is that windwalker jabroni still sandbagging

[glass mortar]

almost 200k above my rogue now

with this weapon upgrade

[covert kestrel]

lol those are good options

that ring so good for kir

[runic bough]

kujo trinket is highly undertuned for being a cast time

[covert kestrel]

oh no i meant your guildie ww that i recognized you in the log review

[glass mortar]

OH lol idk if he was in

i think he was

i beat him but he might have been dead

[tight kernel]

We happy

[glass mortar]

pog im rank 8 on sprocket

(theres 54 parses total for outlaw)

man fatebound is a comically flat damage profile

trickster actually has bumps and dips with crackshot windows and coups and such

look at this profile

[green dune]

fam what are you macroing on use trinket to?

[glass mortar]

nothing, dont macro trinkets

its almost always a mistake as outlaw

[green dune]

rip

i was afraid of this

[trail star]

Skill issue

[tight egret]

Definitely not to BtE since it will cancel your sub if you cast it in stealth

[glass mortar]

our dh got r6

hes a pink 99 parse

i got rank 8

barely even purple parse

[trail star]

XD

[glass mortar]

its w/e im happy to match this builds sim dps

[trail star]

Once i got a blue one as rank 2

[glass mortar]

i legit only play this on sprocket twice all season

im so rusty at kir ST

let alone fatebounds vanish optimizations

[trail star]

Thats the best feeling

I dont like this iteration at all

[glass mortar]

i dont really enjoy the fatebound vanish optimizations

[trail star]

I find tedious current minmaxings

[glass mortar]

but they r pretty minor i guess

tricksters feel better imo

[trail star]

I cant play outlaw if I dont minmax it, I have tried but nah

[glass mortar]

yeaaaaa

[covert kestrel]

dw outlaw has like no buttons so it should be eazy to have space

[elder meadow]

can we not dodge riks circle anymore first everything has true sight now this love it

[tight egret]

Nope

[covert kestrel]

holding vanish for bs?

my monke mind wants to unga bunga vanish all the time

[runic bough]

i REALLY dont want to convert these shoulders into heavy mastery ffs

[main warren]

why is the trashmaster mantkle cloak good for outlaw?

[runic bough]

its heavy versa

[raven condor]

Vers

[main warren]

so even though its missing one other stat, the vers it gets is higher to account for that?

[teal garnet]

yes

[glass mortar]

hold vanish for RP and supercharged and there something else but idr

maybe its just those two?

id need to check

[sullen wyvern]

what is RP?

[latent oak]

ruthless precision

shark buff

[gaunt phoenix]

[sullen wyvern]

oh

wait what were you talking about

is it worth holding vanish until you fish RP?

[latent oak]

fatebound hold vanish until it either is going to overcap on charges, has supercharged combo points, or has rp buff up

not on ho trickster

[sullen wyvern]

oh k

[gaunt phoenix]

man they reset the raid buff thing and i didnt know it

didnt grab the quest

[latent oak]

no damage for u

[frail veldt]

Well the total stats are equal

[covert kestrel]

oh man i messed up BS with RP fuck

[frail veldt]

So it's more of the stat we want

[covert kestrel]

im so DUMB

[sullen wyvern]

Playing fatebound for mythic sprocket Im assuming

[cinder relic]

0% damasge and healing buff

[main warren]

ah ok!

[hollow temple]

They reset it and gave some people 9 renown for free

[gaunt phoenix]

i was like why do i suck ass

[rapid lion]

your raid team didn't say anything? lmao my raid team wouldn't shut up about it

[gaunt phoenix]

they did but

i was distracted

[rapid lion]

oh haha nice

[tight kernel]

Do you guys think sparekeys is sim bait?

[gaunt phoenix]

no

it is modeled correctly

[tight kernel]

oh nice

[light fossil]

got a question regarding kh and coup de grace

should i use them only at 5+ cp or anytime?

[gaunt phoenix]

KS is used at normal cp unless you fear death

coup is used at normal cp but there is a small optimization to use it at low CP if the only builder you would otherwise press is sinister strike (so ambush/ps/deft/ar isnt ready)

[glass mortar]

can we pin that im sorry maybe im too tired rn

it is so funny to me that one of our abilities has an optimization for "if you fear death"

☠️

im laughing so hard at that statement

[sullen wyvern]

Well it's only 1 ability

[light fossil]

i literally died rn because of it

[gaunt phoenix]

on like dfc 3rd boss you have to low ks a lot

[frail veldt]

Yeah a lot a lot

Unless you have a very nice tank who's moving away from the statues

[glass mortar]

or u feel the call of the void

you see the slots aligning in ur eyes

the rng

and u just send it anyway

then eat dirt like u deserve u filthy gambling degenerate

[mellow thicket]

So still no bug victimization fixes

i kid

i kid

[gaunt phoenix]

gm is probably fixed i just havent tested it yet

[mellow thicket]

solo how did you find the unnanounced fixes?

[glass mortar]

oh ok im not in on OaB prog (thank god) i can go check it one sec

[gaunt phoenix]

they are detected by simc

[glass mortar]

this is gunna be a lil annoying to test ig

maybe not too bad

[mellow thicket]

possibly the dead bodies fix is in as well?

[frail veldt]

Don't think so

[glass mortar]

i would be very surprised if the dead body fix is in already

[frail veldt]

Same

[late swallow]

Same

[mellow thicket]

well regardless thank you @gaunt phoenix Zac @cinder relic @cinder haven and Realz for the work yall did. Outlaw is legit the best spec discord out there yall area the GOAT

[gaunt phoenix]

[tight kernel]

I need sprocket tips

[mellow thicket]

I mean its pretty straight forward yeah?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye gm is fixed

[mellow thicket]

go to assigned bomb, get knocked properly, nuke the boss. Pray you get lucky coin

[frigid breach]

safe to assume BF and RtB are still kaput, yea?

[mellow thicket]

damn so that really only leaves what 2 or 3 faults left on the table, the dead bodies, nimble, and killing spree design. KS dream being a pipe dream atm

[glass mortar]

hmmm

yea gm is fixed but uh

maybe im missing math here

does this look right

im fatebound rn

[mellow thicket]

are you doing more with fate?

[glass mortar]

thats

[frail veldt]

The discord is like half the reason I'm still playing outlaw

[glass mortar]

isnt that like an 80% cleave

@gaunt phoenix am i trippin

[gaunt phoenix]

you need to factor in ghostly or precise cuts

[mellow thicket]

its the only reason i play wow

[glass mortar]

i am not playing either

i am naked just spamming ambush into a dummy

with 1 guy in cleave range

OH its a pvp dummy. pvp crits r nerfed. that was an ambush crit

wait does BF cleave not get nerfed by pvp crit nerf

it looks like its flurrying the base crit damage

[raven condor]

jfc. preaching to the choir here but i just did a priory 14 keeping the dead mob+gm bugs in mind and it's incredible how much of a difference it makes 💀

[celest cobalt]

Gm?

[gaunt phoenix]

Well gm was fixed like 2 hours ago

[gaunt phoenix]

grand melee snapshotting

[raven condor]

WHAT

[mellow thicket]

did you get your tank to move away from dead mobs?

gm = grand melee

was not working properly

[raven condor]

Yeh he had blue sued shoes on for some reason

[frail veldt]

Dead mob bug is still there I think

[mellow thicket]

thats legit

were you top dps?

[raven condor]

i know, but the tank was repositioning

[frail veldt]

Ah nice

[vivid dagger]

anyone got a weak aura to track fatebound coin?

[raven condor]

no, but 500k more overall than normal

[mellow thicket]

sick!

[raven condor]

(i'm not some giga pumper or anything but)

[hollow temple]

it should. the pvp crit nerf is global. but it might not apply to dummies idk

[mellow thicket]

500k is massive, i wish my wife would say the same thing to me, but atleast i have outlaw lol

[glass mortar]

well

[hollow temple]

pvp dummies can be jank as fuck for some things

[gaunt phoenix]

with gm

[glass mortar]

my ambush damage is nerfed i think

[mellow thicket]

ah nah!

[stuck patrol]

Guys if HO is so easy why do I mess up on it all the time but when I play KIR the "harder", "cooler", "sexier" spec, I make hardly any mistakes? Checkmate KIR larpers

[mellow thicket]

DONT YOU PUT THAT JUJU ON ME RICKY BOBBY

[raven condor]

kir is only harder without the weakauras lmao

[mellow thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-gif-3478694

[glass mortar]

yea maybe just dummy stuff

i think that blade flurry was flurrying an unnerfed crit tho

[raven condor]

kir is the supreme spec

[gaunt phoenix]

u can walk into normal rookery if you dont want to fuck with dummies

[glass mortar]

my non crit ambushes are 140k

so 210k crit is

[stuck patrol]

Real

[glass mortar]

not correct

[frail veldt]

What mistakes are you even making as ho

KiR literally has explicitly harder builder rules

[gaunt phoenix]

you guys can read humor

[raven condor]

sinister striking in sub windows KEKW

[stuck patrol]

IDK but I know a mistake your mom made

Jk LMAO

[frail veldt]

Bro what?????? Why is SS on your stealth bar

[raven condor]

that's the joke darling

[gaunt phoenix]

ive seen it before lol

[stuck patrol]

I just mess up hb stacks and don't use pistol shot efficiently thats all lmao

[mellow thicket]

I went to a target dummy as single target ho and about had a heart attack

adjita is real

[stuck patrol]

I'm just a god kir gamer, or KIR is just easy and we're falling for KIR propaganda

[raven condor]

this is a serious discord solo. some say the most serious

[stuck patrol]

No other explanation

[mellow thicket]

do we have any plugs for how to fix leaking adr uptime?

[wintry solar]

kir is just HO but with less rooms for mistakes

[glass mortar]

okok im benched which means

its brewmaster delve o CLOCK

new week new DELVE KEYS

[stuck patrol]

Your name is so fucking based, kill or rework UHUH NOW!

[mellow thicket]

im playing killing spree on sprocket mythic tomorrow in celebration of bug fixes

[glass mortar]

thats a good way to quickly get an uninvite from the raid

go for it

[mellow thicket]

i just wanna see a blue circle get yeeted just once

[gaunt phoenix]

ye the dead targets thing is still there

funny you can prove it very quickly just by killing shit and not moving

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/черный-gif-8284575235000460429

[glass mortar]

bro dont let me play triple role specs please

this is a nightmare

[gaunt phoenix]

but we know a fix is coming anyway

[mellow thicket]

thats the confusing part, that most definetly has to be a very obvious line of code. speaking from no coding experience

[gaunt phoenix]

fazed idk maybe it's intended but i dont agree w it

[glass mortar]

well no not at all

we think the thing that might be causing it is a code flag thats on like, a ton of shit all around the game

and has a reason for being there

and this just might be a byproduct of it

[mellow thicket]

if SIMC can output it, and realz says "good find"

[glass mortar]

which means removing it could break things

like realz said this flag might exist to allow BF to do damage if ur initial attack kills ur target

they need to find a way to preserve that functionality if its the case while removing the flag

[latent belfry]

every single key i keep hearing " hey you know outlaw is bugged right now right?"

[glass mortar]

which could involve inventing a new flag entirely

[gaunt phoenix]

ye good

[raven condor]

"NAH BRO I'M JUST HERE FOR KEKS"

[mellow thicket]

copy pasta from any other class that cleaves?

[glass mortar]

but

other classes cleaves

have this flag

[mellow thicket]

well fuck

[glass mortar]

they just arent hardcapped so if it is bugging them

they probably dont notice

not all but many

[raven condor]

Isnt fury dumpster rn? Could it be ahving a similar issue but it doesn't have the chadpilled tc team to find out?

[glass mortar]

you know, it absolutely could

they got hella softcapped very low

[mellow thicket]

whats the alternative though if that flag were to fail through, if you removed the dead bodies line

[glass mortar]

losing 1-3 of ur main target damage on ur burst cds

[gaunt phoenix]

also i dont seriously think i helped assist in dev work that they couldnt have quickly seen themselves

think realz was just humoring me that the attribute is involved

[mellow thicket]

disagree, the expression the squeaky wheel gets the grease @gaunt phoenix

[raven condor]

fr it's better than literally nothing

[mellow thicket]

would say the theory crafters care more than the devs about a specific spec, especially if they are spinning plates

[latent belfry]

no you did help

[raven condor]

Big corpo loves outsourcing labor lmao

bethesda moment

[mellow thicket]

but very dunning kreuger of you solo

[glass mortar]

well of course tcers care more then devs about something like this

this is such a unique bug case

we have been chasing this feeling for years

and we didnt find it

how tf is a dev who doesnt even play the spec

[latent belfry]

wow hires solo when??

[glass mortar]

ever gunna know its a thing

[mellow thicket]

optomizing rotation is the real puzzle

[glass mortar]

and thats not a critique to be clear

[mellow thicket]

i mean look at the president or whatever his name is of blizzard

[glass mortar]

i doubt any of the class devs r mains of the spec they design

[mellow thicket]

elitist jerks guy

[glass mortar]

thats not generally how it works

[mellow thicket]

i played in a wow dev guild, you would be shocked

played*

[glass mortar]

i would

not be shocked

for multiple reasons

🙂

im not saying they dont play the game, im saying they arent necessarily playing the spec they are currently working on, certainly not enough to notice such a minute bug like this

[raven condor]

it should be mandatory for the devs to play the specs they bugfix for at a semi-high level (if they dont already)

[glass mortar]

we have legit been tinfoil hatting about it with no explanation since df

[mellow thicket]

i do know brackenhide was made for a dev that likes gnolls....

[glass mortar]

thats not reasonable and has never even once been a requirement

of this game or any game im aware of

playing the game sure

playing a specific spec at a specific level?

[raven condor]

im not talking push levels, but like 10 at a minimum right?

[upbeat tundra]

so with the fixes whats the build

ho or kir

which one

[frail veldt]

KiR prob ahead rn

[raven condor]

where's the study case for what you're working on outside of just tweaking shit and yolo

[gaunt phoenix]

ok

[frail veldt]

With the deft fix

But they're very close

[mellow thicket]

eh something feels funny with HO

[frail veldt]

How so

[latent belfry]

does that fix show up on simc ? cause HO is still better for me in AOE

[covert kestrel]

ping realz

[mellow thicket]

maybe just HO

no fuu yelled at me last time

[gaunt phoenix]

kir should take over at full targets but probably expected to lose not full target

[covert kestrel]

this discord is half the reason im still playing wow

[mellow thicket]

not really yelled at me, but i got put on the list that they track shit like that

[frail veldt]

It should, and yeah they're very close so it depends on gear

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-list-bloobiecord-amiaryllis-bloo-gif-12236757325921974899

[mellow thicket]

fuck the police

hoping its just the target dummy stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

grand melee might be broken in simc right now

so wait a bit

[latent belfry]

broken as in it doesnt show up? or its always there

[coarse plover]

I asked for GM WA hours ago now it is already useless

[rapid lion]

damn all the way from sept 2024 even

[raven condor]

been way longer than that

shadowlands outlaws know

[stuck patrol]

Not a fan of Trump but he's spitting facts on this

[wintry solar]

SL Outlaw was flawless

[mellow thicket]

why are we angry at UHUH?

[lyric steeple]

Does blade flurry have directional penelty?

[gaunt phoenix]

the buff may not be detected correctly cause they changed some spell data stuff with it

[stuck patrol]

It's cringe bc it makes us have to play perfect and have no downtime or order for the spec to even function

[glass mortar]

no it radiates out from u in all directions

its centered on u

[stuck patrol]

Bc outlaw has to be tuned based on it existing

[mellow thicket]

uh it was a lot harder before UHUH

[wintry solar]

it was not

[glass mortar]

eh

not really

[stuck patrol]

Lmao what

[glass mortar]

punishment has only gotten bigger since the redesign stuffs

pre DF rework outlaw is honestly so easy compared to this

[mellow thicket]

your saying you could always have 100 percent ADR before UHUH?

[glass mortar]

like, ur literal filler as outlaw rn

was basically the whole rotation

[stuck patrol]

No

[glass mortar]

pre DF rework

idk

[mellow thicket]

pre-DF was goated

[glass mortar]

they just added more elements to it

[stuck patrol]

But it was tuned so it still played fast when you didn't have adr up

[wintry solar]

adr wasnt as powerful before revamp

[mellow thicket]

shantiana, tried to get it fixed with the go fund me or whatever it was

[wintry solar]

because we had energy outside adr

[stuck patrol]

But now if you ever don't have adr up you are vanilla WoW mode

[glass mortar]

i mean adr uptime is what added ~15% to our apm over the last 2 expacs

regardless of how fast law was before (it was fast), ar is the biggest contributer to speed

its the only way to reduce ur gcd

we used to have like 40-60% uptime depending on the tier

a 40% gain was pretty substantial

[glass mortar]

yes very punishing

i agree

[stuck patrol]

They basically had to nerf outlaw energy regen to compensate for the ability to keep adr up so long

[glass mortar]

its just codified energy stuff tho idk

energy exists as a punishment meter for law

and sometimes (rarely) u get such bad rng it runs out anyway

but its not supposed to run out

the AR design just sort of solidified this

[stuck patrol]

I wouldn't even call it punishing, it's just bad design in a game with a lot of mechanics that require you to stop attacking the boss

[glass mortar]

sure punishment for downtime or mistakes

its more punishing to mistakes then it was

which is what i said earlier

[proven ocean]

brooooo LOL

[mellow thicket]

zero

when

you

gonna

beat

zac

[wintry solar]

but yeah turns out i didnt hate crackshot

[proven ocean]

idk

[wintry solar]

I hated uhuh

[proven ocean]

i cant beat him

[mellow thicket]

not with that attitude

[stuck patrol]

This ^^^^

People think they hate crackshot but crackshot is good

[proven ocean]

jokes on you mookie

[torpid fiber]

I like the out of combat part of uhuh but I agree that the interaction with subterfuge windows is awkward

[glass mortar]

yea im not the biggest fan of uhuh anymore either

[proven ocean]

he didnt post overall of our last run

[stuck patrol]

They really hate uhuh and they don't know it

[mellow thicket]

hahahaa, im already a joke

[proven ocean]

it was a 2m gap

[glass mortar]

id much prefer they make it so AR is always up in vanish windows and we just went back to like 50-60% uptime

[mellow thicket]

wait you gapped zac?

[glass mortar]

make downtime less punishing

[mellow thicket]

today?

[proven ocean]

ye i kinda focused on the last key

well

it was like

1-2 keys after the one he posted here

yea today

[mellow thicket]

yeah was at work didnt get to see it

[proven ocean]

oh

[mellow thicket]

would love to be good or play wow for a living

[stuck patrol]

Every time I have a big opinion about outlaw here, so many people get mad at me, but months down the line people come to the same conclusions I do

[proven ocean]

well we dont play wow for a living

we just play it on our spare time 24/7

[wintry solar]

same

[stuck patrol]

I got mocked for wanting vanish and stealth to reset the cd for BTE, was told skill issue

[proven ocean]

besides it was a sin vs outlaw gap

zac is a really good rogue

[stuck patrol]

Months later everyone was tired of it and wanted it changed

[upbeat tundra]

u play it for a living just unpaid

[torpid fiber]

I've been saying fth is cringe since dfs1 🙏

shit is cringe sorry y'all

[mellow thicket]

do you think you could gap wox on outlaw?

[stuck patrol]

Same thing with UHUH got shit on for saying I hate it, now more and more people also coming to the same conclusion

[wintry solar]

been some GSW love lately as well

[mellow thicket]

take em to gapplebees

[wintry solar]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[upbeat tundra]

depends do we get a perfect little comp like he does

[proven ocean]

idk why ur talking about gapping people

because me and zac had so many r1 logs and we're still on the same level together

[stuck patrol]

Bad take imo

[torpid fiber]

I think there's like 5 different things that cause the Outlaw problems rn and everyone has a different opinion on which one is the problem

[proven ocean]

i really dont expect anyone to gap a player who really loves to deal dmg

[mellow thicket]

oh ya! just like seeing outlaw perform well, is honestly it

[pearl topaz]

its superfun but sometimes can be incredibly shitty feeling

[torpid fiber]

I dislike the 3x part of fth because I feel like it + 7cp means there's too much variance in cp gen and we have too much cdr, and too much cdr causes the downtime pains

[pearl topaz]

and i mean, why am I paying $20 to occasionally feel like, for no reason, Im dealing with bs on a class i love

[stuck patrol]

We're addicts chasing the high of when outlaw RNG is good and we aren't picked by mechanics and everything goes right

[mellow thicket]

its also like watching NBA players, its fun commenting on the side

zac is the bulls, youre more of the utah jazz

[proven ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4gQun957pM
if you like seeing outlaw perform well, heres your golden ticket to an absolute cinema rank 1 world run with triple outlaw

the legendary +30 ToTT

[mellow thicket]

lololol

[proven ocean]

me zac and casualaddict

[stuck patrol]

Wym, isn't more cdr meaning less downtime or

[proven ocean]

the best 3 outlaws in europe

literal same dps on every dungeon we do

[mellow thicket]

oh i didnt know you were eu as well

[torpid fiber]

more cdr means we're balanced around having higher ar uptime and it means downtime is more punishing

[proven ocean]

only defined by rng

and nothing else

[mellow thicket]

werent you in method or some shit back in the day?

i dont remember

[torpid fiber]

bc downtime "loses" you the rb cdr, so if rb cdr is higher you lose more cdr during downtime

[proven ocean]

no but i constantly get requested to join top 10-20 guilds

not really something that i like that much

even though i excel mostly in raid than m+

most people see me as the "M+" player tho

[frail veldt]

unless we have so much cdr that we have way over 100% adr uptime

then we can have a buffer for downtime

totally functional

lol

[torpid fiber]

Yeah lmao

but I don't think that would actually be fun to play

[frail veldt]

95% might be the worst uptime tbh

[torpid fiber]

Hmm yeah that's fair

[frail veldt]

cuz it means that any downtime hurts SUPER bad

[proven ocean]

i guess because i just never raided up there in the top 20 guilds its just too exhausting to think about

5-8 alts is never fun to work around with

and raiding 5-7 days is quite alot

[torpid fiber]

I think the systems that would have to happen to make our cdr so excessive downtime doesn't matter wouldn't be fun more than I think the result wouldn't be fun

[mellow thicket]

i think perspective is key though, its easy to look through the lens of why something wouldnt work

[frail veldt]

zeross you dont seem like youd have the patience for raid

[stuck patrol]

Fair, but getting rid of UHUH and bringing back alacrity effect, increasing energy regen baseline and reducing the damage of our abilities fundamentally does the same thing but keeps the gameplay loop

[frail veldt]

too many other people that you have to wait for learning the mechanics

[proven ocean]

idk if ur ragebaiting 24/7

[torpid fiber]

For me I just don't enjoy the gameplay introduced by the cp gen provided by fth

[mellow thicket]

also just want a wowhead article saying that outlaw rogue is mostly fixed, you can continue to decline us to non meta keys

[torpid fiber]

I love the 2 charges part but I dislike how it gives us twelve billion cp

[mellow thicket]

almost 3200 and cant get into a 10

[proven ocean]

i enjoy raiding the most

[frail veldt]

I'm not on purpose but I have noticed ive been making you rage more lately

[proven ocean]

idk

might be the creatine

[frail veldt]

creatine doesnt make you ragey lol

creatines just good for you

5grams a day 4 life

[mellow thicket]

its just water weight

[proven ocean]

OK MEWO UR MAKING ME MORE MAD NOW

JK

[mellow thicket]

but good for the brain

[stuck patrol]

I mean that's fair, you can have that opinion. But I don't think FTE getting removed fixes as many issues as removing UHUH

[proven ocean]

is it also good if u dont lift or what

[stuck patrol]

Because it's not FTE that is reducing downtime

[frail veldt]

improves atp levels

[mellow thicket]

its effective against huntingtons disease

[proven ocean]

mewo mewo

[frail veldt]

yeah its good for your brain

[proven ocean]

are there new things with keyboard shit

or

[torpid fiber]

Hmm actually my new take is that deeper stratagem being removed would make me happiest

[proven ocean]

rly

like

alot good

or kinda good

?

[frail veldt]

tbh not really that I know of, I havent been keeping up lately

[proven ocean]

same

[frail veldt]

just kinda good

its cuz your brain also uses atp

[proven ocean]

i think the keyboards trend is reaching stable levels now mewo

[wintry solar]

preach

[stuck patrol]

Then we'd just overlap CPs forever lol

[proven ocean]

people aren't like

too into keyboards now

[wintry solar]

I miss 5/6 cp outlaw

[frail veldt]

so theres a lot of correlation studies on creatine and general cognition levels

[proven ocean]

unless u dont have one

[mellow thicket]

first dungeon with new fixes

lets go

[frail veldt]

I think covid was a big spike in popularity

[proven ocean]

i c i c cuh

[torpid fiber]

If we're overapping perma that reduces the value of the talents that make us overcap!

[frail veldt]

cuz what else are you goan do at home

[stuck patrol]

We basically have it somewhat with crackshot, makes crackshot more interesting

[proven ocean]

covid was a spike on alot of things that are inside ur room that u can make better/feel better or even look better

because people didnt overlook their house

[frail veldt]

yeah true

my room was so much cleaner back then

[proven ocean]

now we have people liking audiophile headphones

keyboards

professional mic's

and uh

idk what else

mouses i guess

even tho nobody needs them

[hollow temple]

zeross can't do 8 minute fights

[proven ocean]

except top 1%

[frail veldt]

if I didnt play wow I would totally have an ultralight mouse

[hollow temple]

needs many fights over 30 minutes to stimulate his brain

[proven ocean]

?!

i did raszageth just fine

[hollow temple]

[tulip jewel]

38 grams and a glass pad and I need lighter

[frail veldt]

hes saying its too short

[proven ocean]

oh

[frail veldt]

and that youd want longer

[proven ocean]

wtf

[hollow temple]

nono

[proven ocean]

why would i want a longer fight

sylvanas was cancer

[torpid fiber]

ok actually I want to watch outlaw players play rabbit and steel I think that would be banger content

[proven ocean]

made me want to leave the grp mid fight

LOL

[frail veldt]

oh maybe I got it backwards

[hollow temple]

i'm saying he needs shorter fight because attention span

[frail veldt]

LOL

fair

[proven ocean]

bro

sylvanas

was a BIG ONE

[hollow temple]

i'm just kidding zeross

[raven condor]

they're not, gettem zeross

[hollow temple]

sylvanas was too much, ever for me

fuck that noise

you could've entirely removed p2 and it would've been a banger fight

[raven condor]

the chain running?

[proven ocean]

notrickz

[raven condor]

Fucking degen filler content lmao

[proven ocean]

im 3.6k now

in pvp

[mellow thicket]

why does ho feel broken

[hollow temple]

the platforms with the mob packs

[raven condor]

yee

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple

[frail veldt]

do we get another spark this week?

[proven ocean]

im 3.6k in pvp

[hollow temple]

i didn't know rio was pvp

[raven condor]

just have jaina port us ffs

[hollow temple]

i'm 3926 rio

[raven condor]

half, next week is the full

[hollow temple]

gg

[proven ocean]

well it is a score afterall

[frail veldt]

hmm I have a half right now

[proven ocean]

i am competing scores against players

so it is pvp

[frail veldt]

I must not have gotten it last week

[proven ocean]

oh notrickz

im r1 pvp 3.6k no cap

[frail veldt]

you cant evel lose points zeross

pve is easy

[proven ocean]

???

u can wdym

[frail veldt]

all those times you died in that run with zac

[proven ocean]

u lose if u dont push

[frail veldt]

you would have tanked so hard

[proven ocean]

tanked what

im a dps

[frail veldt]

rating

[proven ocean]

wdym

[frail veldt]

cant tell if youre trolling

in pvp you lose rating

when you lose

in pve you dont

[proven ocean]

yea i know

[frail veldt]

you just go agane

[proven ocean]

i was 2.2k in like

[frail veldt]

ez mode

[proven ocean]

when i was a child

lol

[frail veldt]

no pressure

[hollow temple]

thats me no cap

[proven ocean]

wtf!

[proven ocean]

it was easy tho ngl

we had a big 1 shot macro

to press

and 1 shot ppl in pvp

so i just went to 2.2k lol

i dont remember what it was but it was a crazy engineering item for druid or someshit

cant recall but

it was insane

i feel like some seasons in the past u could easily spike ur rating alot

idk if pvp still has similar things now

[latent oak]

its nature of mmr adjustment systems right

if u win alot ur mmr goes up faster

[hollow temple]

its also based on participation

more people playing = higher MMR inflation

[latent oak]

is there any reason blizz doesnt normalise that btw

[proven ocean]

pvp was so much more popular

than now

like

most ppl played pvp than pve

it was that good

[hollow temple]

they do, sorta

[wintry solar]

I'll keep that in mind when I have to press sinister strike 5 times with no opp procs

[hollow temple]

sometimes they step in and inject artificial MMR inflation

when participation is low

but it isn't done by a system thats put in place

[stuck patrol]

Skill issue fr

[hollow temple]

its manually done

[stuck patrol]

But no I get it lol

[frail veldt]

blizz's mmr system is insanely outdated

and mostly non functional

its heavily abused by the playerbase

people have become abundantly aware that all rewards are easier to achiev eat the end of the season

by magnitudes

so people just dont play

for most of the season

and it results in a LOT less participation overall

[latent oak]

ya thats bc they inflate rating over the season for some reason

[frail veldt]

yeup

insanely horrible idea

so 2400 for glad at the start of the season

would literally be r1 range

and by tthe end of the season

r1 is 3200+

so 2400 is like 1600 at the start

like the scale of difficulty is so wildly different

blizzard LONG ago should have adopted a system such that all rewards like 1800, 2100, 2400 were instead based on hitting certain percentiles like top 15% top 10% top 5% etc

and just require a certain number of wins above that rating

[proven ocean]

dude

[frail veldt]

and only unlock it after like 2 weeks into the season so you dont get any weirdness at the start

[proven ocean]

u know what i hate the most

when im like

in the top 0.000001% in m+

and then some guy comes by and whispers me

wow ur gonna get the title

bruh

its like

ur msging gingi end of the season, oh wow u have cutting edge gallywix

even tho he has wr2

[hollow temple]

everyone knows who gingi is tho

[latent oak]

ngl

wouldnt surprise me if ppl do the same to echo players

most ppl in this game are very casual and dont interact with the higher end right

[pearl topaz]

people shoot their shot over any subject to anyone

[latent oak]

bro the rare zac voice reveal

[proven ocean]

dude idk

i just realized something

i just perma die on low keys and keys i dont care about

[latent oak]

good shit tho, didnt know this was on yt

[proven ocean]

ye it was ofc

it was the best key of all time

that key sparked the entire outlaw channel

twitter kinda exploded on that day

we got ER bug fixed that reset instantly after that key

[latent oak]

glorious

[proven ocean]

definitely a season of all time

i also was called by gingi and casualaddict the best bug abuser in the game

probably because i have passion to minmax bugs as much as possible

[frank finch]

did they fix rik reverb? evasion no longer works on the slam?

[latent oak]

alot of ppl are saying that ya

[proven ocean]

so many people are reporting this yes

[proven ocean]

did u just get stunned?

[frank finch]

unlucky

i did

[latent oak]

a bit cringe ya

[proven ocean]

@leaden sonnet

[glass mortar]

me when i make boss fights that dont matter worse to play for no reason

i swear theres 1 little gremlin dev doing all this

[proven ocean]

im not worried about that weran

at all

im worried that

they fixed evasion afterall

[glass mortar]

probably the same one who "fixed" workshop boss

[proven ocean]

to make u not dodge swirlies

[glass mortar]

yea thats fair

i dont think we saw any evasion changes in the hotfix pushes

but that would be pretty yikes

[frank finch]

what if that means other stuff doesnt work now

[proven ocean]

ye

[frank finch]

like in m+_

[proven ocean]

thats what im saying

[frank finch]

monka

[proven ocean]

well

[latent oak]

someone need to test workshop first boss

[proven ocean]

i can try workshop now

and see

[glass mortar]

is there a fast one i can check in a dungeon rq

[proven ocean]

brb

[glass mortar]

ok yea do please

im mid delve

i wont be able to check for a bit

[latent oak]

are u locked in

[glass mortar]

😏

always

[proven ocean]

wait i legit cannot test it i need a tank

to kill 1st pack

[mellow thicket]

i didnt realize that was pointed at you

[proven ocean]

any tanks on EU?

[glass mortar]

test it on base difficulty

[proven ocean]

ye i kinda abused the shit out of er bug on all situations possible

[mellow thicket]

GOATED

guess its better to be infamous then not famous at all?

hahahahaha

[covert kestrel]

are you able to do auto updates for weakauras in the game client at all? or has to be the wago app

[hollow temple]

i doubt it

its still working for some people

its likely just something causing it to bug

[frank finch]

that makes way more sense then htme just fixing that intewraction

[hollow temple]

ye

[mellow thicket]

why couldnt bladelfurry be the catalyst for the trickset hero tree instead of killing spree

[proven ocean]

@leaden sonnet

[hollow temple]

he knows

[mellow thicket]

dont talk to the GOAT that way

[hollow temple]

i wasn't talking to Stealthi just now

[mellow thicket]

hahhahaha

did they seriously break HO, like come on, im clearly not a wizard, but for fucks sake

[celest cobalt]

Any idea why my KS sometimes only jumps once or twice then bugs out?

[proven ocean]

god bless bleed build

managed to solo the entire room with it

[sturdy wigeon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hollow temple]

take us to DEFCON 10

[proven ocean]

i recommend attempting this

[hollow temple]

target die?

[shut lichen]

are you just in a default mechagon?

[celest cobalt]

Nope

[hollow temple]

did you die?

[proven ocean]

evasion does work on 1st boss workshop

we are FINE

[frank finch]

when just more bugs is something good

[mellow thicket]

nah just sarcasm

it doesnt convey through text

maybe thats why they made emoji - emo ji

is that japanese?

what is the evasion bug

https://tenor.com/view/fancy-you-always-act-like-you're-better-than-me-pretentious-superior-better-gif-9780805469119683216

[hollow temple]

not being able to evasion the rik thingies

[mellow thicket]

aw i thought it was something good

[peak dock]

is the crafted ring considered as 2 different rings everytime i switch stats like past season? to avoid using crest in 2nd ring

[hollow temple]

no

they fixed that

[mellow thicket]

ofc they did! GREAT/ GREAT

[hollow temple]

there's a way to do it with Circlet, but only helps up to 658 ilvl

[latent oak]

can still do cyrce's exploit to upgrade to that ilvl

ya

[peak dock]

no fun allowed huh

[peak dock]

already did that, im asking about the 675 crafted ring

[mellow thicket]

i am so over companies bowing down to investors, fun detected, suito intellectual, make a dollar, suck the life out of the game BS

[latent oak]

na they fixed taht

[mellow thicket]

end rant

[quaint wharf]

dumb question but does alchemical chaos, tempered vers, etc account for players stats on wcl

[clear zephyr]

Geargrinder trinkt doesn't hit Gallywix when he is in the middle?

[latent oak]

bro it was clearly an exploit that should be fixed

[shut lichen]

wdym?

[latent oak]

of all the things that should be complained about

that isnt one of them

[shut lichen]

like the stats on summary?

[quaint wharf]

yeah

[mellow thicket]

but everything that is detected, even the box in mechagon for the dog boss?

[shut lichen]

nah

[latent oak]

ya complain about that all u like

[quaint wharf]

ty

[proven ocean]

my guy said skin

[latent oak]

that is dumb change

but the ring exploit was not the same

[proven ocean]

its called a transmog

[mellow thicket]

ill make sure to run it by you, sorry!

[shut lichen]

nice skin

[proven ocean]

holy cow

[glass mortar]

okok 1 more delve before bed

4 delves in 30 minutes

not bad for tank runs

[latent oak]

meh

[mellow thicket]

Is that mythic capo?

[latent oak]

i wish

hc

[mellow thicket]

Rip

[latent oak]

gl in vault other eu homies

[mellow thicket]

What’s the difference between color and colour other than one is better than the other?

[peak dock]

that neck seems good

[viral bison]

did i pulled a bis?

[mellow thicket]

Jesus

[viral bison]

i cant decide between this and myth leg

[mellow thicket]

Mythic leg is a higher probability of dropping again especially with catalyst charge.

[sullen wyvern]

Gratz

[frail veldt]

I havent played KiR in so long, is the rtb rule just will_lose <=2?

[glass mortar]

first delve title completed

[glass mortar]

think its something like that ye

[upbeat tundra]

but y

[glass mortar]

i ran out of delve bars to fill

season is done, brann is maxed

its the only bar i have left to fill

[upbeat tundra]

delving on purpose is crazy

[glass mortar]

halfway done for the week

but im out of keys

need to do some world content

😏

[sullen wyvern]

so you guys think we getting some love this week?

[upbeat tundra]

lol

[glass mortar]

damn

brewmaster is kinda fun af

very cute rotation

i can see why people play it even tho its dogshit

[sullen wyvern]

Brewmaster is by far the most fun tank spec to play

prot warrior is a close second

[glass mortar]

the rotation is a nice dynamic yea im enjoying it alot

[sullen wyvern]

cuz current prot warrior does insane amount of damage

[glass mortar]

even on st the rotation has some nuance

[latent oak]

do u like weapons of order

[glass mortar]

yes

tank dps cds r fun

make more of them

stop putting them on defensives

that shit is cringe

unless its like 100% uptime

i think uh

it feels a little out of place because brm feels like its short 1 defensive cd

and this is just almost purely an offensive cd

but i like tank offensive cds idk

[latent oak]

i like brew alot but woo adds some clunk to the opener

imo at least

[glass mortar]

i think the reset on ur smash feels awk

not necessary

[latent oak]

i know ppl like it

[glass mortar]

probably not a big deal to min max that shit tho

[sullen wyvern]

I think current's Brewmaster rotations is easier due to you not having to constantly refreshing slicing wind every 6 seconds

[glass mortar]

its 1 cast per Woo

[sullen wyvern]

That shit in DF was annoying to play around

[glass mortar]

yes having no winds is very nice

i remember the rotation being very claustrophobic

[sullen wyvern]

why is it not being used now? less damage?

[glass mortar]

idk

i just nabbed a m+ build off wowhead

i think it just doesnt have the gcds to maintain it

ur pretty much gcd locked to keep shit rotating

[sullen wyvern]

that makes sense

Your whole damage rotation as brewmaster are 6-7 different gcds

[glass mortar]

yea it has a lot of rotational buttons

[latent oak]

with brew the dps minmaxxing feels more rewarding than the other tanks

[glass mortar]

very fun

[latent oak]

in my limited experience at least

ya very fun

[sullen wyvern]

idk about now havent tried brewmaster in tww

I feel very tempted

[glass mortar]

yea im getting the flow now, weaving X spells between each kick

i just wish

the AM was more selfsufficient

[sullen wyvern]

I feel that brewmaster kinda gets the same treatment as outlaw

[glass mortar]

in delves at least i dont need a healer at all

so i pull wall to wall

and go to town

[sullen wyvern]

if they see any other tank queueing they will pick that tank over you

[glass mortar]

good times

[latent oak]

thematically very cool aswell

[glass mortar]

mhm

[latent oak]

im a sucker for theme

[sullen wyvern]

are you playing shadopan?

[glass mortar]

i should try shadowpan

i was playing harmony

but its a bit of a issue indelves

i can never fill up my vigor more then like 30%

i dont take enough damage

i really enjoy harmony on MW so i figured id try it on brm

[latent oak]

take ur chest piece off ez

insta red stagger

[glass mortar]

visually very cool hero talent honestly

[cold jewel]

harmony is so much fun in keys

[glass mortar]

i love minor effects like this

[cold jewel]

[glass mortar]

yes mw is a banger in keys