outlaw

[vivid vessel]

we have been yapping about that

forever

lol

[proven ocean]

everbloom

is the worst

one

though

[vivid vessel]

ara kara was the worse one

[proven ocean]

legit worst one

[vivid vessel]

first pull

you just didnt do it

i can tell you

[glass mortar]

i think all of us have had this feeling that anytime u were beyond target cap it was much harder to do 8t dps then on regular pulls

[vivid vessel]

you were doing 0 damage

[proven ocean]

ye sure

[glass mortar]

we just thought we were crazy

[vivid vessel]

well the actual worse one

is brew

first pull

lol

its so terrible i had to look into it

I mean did you see the cliop zeross?

that started all of this

[glass mortar]

part of the crazy making is like

imagine u do a key, first cinderbrew pull

and then when u kill all the yellow mobs

[wintry solar]

I thought it was a skill issue tbh

[glass mortar]

tank just moves for w/e reason

u would never even know this bug exists

but then on next key ur tank doesnt move away from the yellow mobs

and ur doing sub tank dps

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/live/rmhvLwZ5Hb4?si=XduGu85KwY_xDFkB&t=5528 @proven ocean look, i should be doing like 14 mil dps with all the buffs im rolling and all the ace proc s

im doing 6

[wintry solar]

"Damn I sucked that pull... oh well"

[vivid vessel]

my dps is going down with 6 buffs and perma ace procs

[gaunt phoenix]

spatter does

[vivid vessel]

how did we not investigate this before bro

[glass mortar]

we did i mean

i talked about it abit

[vivid vessel]

ye but like

we should have looked into it more

[glass mortar]

part of it is we never connected it to dead targets so we were just looking at big pulls

and in a big pull thats 40s long

outlaw probably has 400000 damage instances

to read thru

[vivid vessel]

its so obvious now when you look at these clips

ok but idk

[glass mortar]

its such a pain

[vivid vessel]

i look at these clips

and i see my dps

go down

when its suposed to go up

thats where we should have checked

idk

[lofty pike]

So, we play a completely bugged spec?

[vivid vessel]

we werent torough enough

on this

actual massive fail from us

this should have been discovered at least last tier

[glass mortar]

also part of it is that the dps numbers u were doing were within the variance of the spec to do even on 20 targets

[vivid vessel]

when we started yapping about it a lot

[glass mortar]

it just didnt make sense because u had clips of u getting giga rng

with buffs and procs

and doing the tank dps

[quiet ore]

If BF hits dead targets, that makes PC zero damage almost always, right

[wintry solar]

Tbh it's always bugged and probably always will be

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

not if ur chaining but ye thats what ive been thinking

ive been running my keys without PC since we found out

feels about the same tbh

[lofty pike]

But you think they will fix the Problem?

[glass mortar]

which says alot

[gaunt phoenix]

yes it's been acknowledged

[lofty pike]

And is the Bug only with precise Cut?

[gaunt phoenix]

no. blade flurry itself tries to hit dead targets if they are close enough to you

[glass mortar]

unfortunatly no

[gaunt phoenix]

Which didnt matter until we were capped

[lofty pike]

Good Thing i rerolled to Outlaw Like 2 weeks ago

[gaunt phoenix]

well ok if outlaw has been this way for 4 years it can survive another day with it

xd

[glass mortar]

in ur average key ur losing less to this bug then zac is in these keys

but PC might be losing alot more even in ur average key

ur tanks probably not perma chaining running away from a pack as it falls under 8 targets

so ur PC just wont really proc

[frank finch]

what a disaster

[glass mortar]

listen ok, there is one good aspect to this

it turns out, all us long time outlaw mains who really like keys are not in fact completely crazy

just a little crazy

we been cooking on this idea since DF ☠️

[lofty pike]

But when it hits let's say 4 Targets and 4 dead ones, and the Tank goes into the next Pack, so i have to recast Bf to Hit 8 Targets again or will it automatically Hit 8 again?

[gaunt phoenix]

automatic

[glass mortar]

no it has nothing to do with the bf casts

thats just the GM stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

blade flurry is constantly trying to hit the 7 closest targets to you

not per cast but per individual hit

[lofty pike]

God Bless they didn't fuck this up

[glass mortar]

as HO right now once you get GM you need to recast BF 1 time then its locked in until u recast BF again

that bug is almost surely a net dps gain

now that we know how to play around it

[lofty pike]

Guess it will be fixed faster than hitting corpses

[glass mortar]

probably an easier fix

i mean not probably, absolutely

[gaunt phoenix]

Weran did you see what the deft maneuvers thing really was

[glass mortar]

no i did not what was it

[gaunt phoenix]

the deft bonus was always working correctly

so before regular BF was 110% and deft was 100%

which explains why deft was lower

[glass mortar]

because it was a buffing a BF from prior to a BF buff

[gaunt phoenix]

did that ping zac again lol

[vivid vessel]

nope

[glass mortar]

thats funny

[vivid vessel]

its a forward

[glass mortar]

what a messss

so what ur saying rn is BF itself is 25% too strong and needs a nerf

understandable

wait so is deft doing 220% ap damage on BF now?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[glass mortar]

thats actually a chonker

[gaunt phoenix]

that's pretty good

[sullen wyvern]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gilded-of-the-undermine-achievement-requires-675-average-item-level-but-is-376621

Do these devs even work at all

[gaunt phoenix]

they do

who cares about these rando bugs

[sullen wyvern]

they let too much stupid shit slide

now you cant have 2 hellcallers warlocks in a single group

cuz of the ICD change they did to wither

the spell overwrites

[glass mortar]

oh yea we were redoing our roster around that lock bug

thats gotta be high on their radar rn lmao

[sullen wyvern]

on other warlock's spell

[glass mortar]

yea

[sullen wyvern]

[glass mortar]

our locks are like "ok whose turn is it to wither tonight?"

we are slowly returning to vanilla

[sullen wyvern]

apparently destro's wither takes priority over afflock

butr if you have 2 afflocks

they keep overwriting themselves

[quaint wharf]

damn

better warlock spec confirmed

[gaunt phoenix]

ok bugs are funny when they happen to other specs

[wintry solar]

I liked demo more anyway

[sullen wyvern]

Not funny tbh, I find it dumb

[glass mortar]

its a funny bug but also a funny haha this should be fixed before raid tonight

because changing ur raid comp around a bug this big is silly

definitly a high prio fix

imagine if outlaw rogues were sharing 1 BF cap

each guy can only hit 4 targets at once

[quaint wharf]

so is deft in the realm of possibilities to take for HO

[olive flax]

yea but what are teh chances you have 2 outlaw rogues lmao

[glass mortar]

its probably back to where it was before

not a sim dps gain but not so bad if u love it u cant take it

[quaint wharf]

i think they would need to fix GM bug first right

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the speed they become aware and fix class bugs should be criticized

but the fact that bugs exist at all is idk just part of development

lord knows my own work has random things go wrong

[glass mortar]

i think that some complaints have been warrented this expac

its kinda crazy every single patch they do breaks the game so bad now a day

[daring oxide]

this expac has very poor QA

[glass mortar]

11.1.5 gave literally nothing

[daring oxide]

patches have all been broken

[glass mortar]

for the top end gamers

but broke something for like every spec

[daring oxide]

ye

[glass mortar]

a bit silly

[gaunt phoenix]

ye i get it

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

i think

i have been

trolling

so hard

[wintry solar]

When the bug gets fixed, how much would it effect pc?

[vivid vessel]

with pc

[glass mortar]

?

[quaint wharf]

oh weran

[gaunt phoenix]

there's always dumb shit idk

remember in Nathria (and again in sepulcher) they broke blade flurry and ignite scaling for like a day

[quaint wharf]

how did ur keys go

with gs

[glass mortar]

oh

i did not notice the dps loss

from dropping PC

which makes me feel even more strongly

[quaint wharf]

huge

[glass mortar]

that this bug has been making PC a placebo talent

most of the season

i mean its very obvious when u get on a 2t boss how big PC is right

but its value for the rest of the dungeons certainly feel nebulious

with this bug idk

if its ever even good

[quaint wharf]

i agree

[gaunt phoenix]

im gonna remove PC from the builds anyway

[vivid vessel]

anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

even after they fix it

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxI2tuE2wyWwW-LHksh2HAAtOI9Mj3CXpZ?si=C_3ikut3NoPF_eWh @frail veldt @glass mortar

feel bad about that one

first time

[glass mortar]

LMAOOOO

[daring oxide]

no wonder my highest overall keys were never with PC

lol

all this time

blizzard scammed us

with broken BF and talent

[glass mortar]

bro fr everytime i die from kspree im like ok yea im a bad player for even playing this spec rn

but w/e

i feel so bad when i troll someone else in their key with it tho

[daring oxide]

now imagine if spells functioned the way they are described in the description

no funny business

[vivid vessel]

i should have stopped moving after the ks insta

i played bad

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

in raid i just make sure i always position my kspree start where a frontal would need to be baited

[gaunt phoenix]

lord

[vivid vessel]

lord

[glass mortar]

and then if it targets me mid kspree

i tell my guildies to trust the process

[late swallow]

lord!

[glass mortar]

its become a big meme on dino guy and reverb

[vivid vessel]

peep the overall tho weran

i was blasting fr

i guess all buffs

[glass mortar]

deft fix is a cute +2-2.5% prob

[vivid vessel]

im so excited for when they fix the bug

[glass mortar]

bigger once GM is fixed

[vivid vessel]

ye tru

[glass mortar]

but also GM fix will be a bit of a nerf prob

[vivid vessel]

well once gm is fixed

[glass mortar]

less for KiR then HO

[vivid vessel]

our damage goes down

i think

[quaint wharf]

half of my beloved double coup

[vivid vessel]

idk

[glass mortar]

yes

[quaint wharf]

[late swallow]

[daring oxide]

were they upset

[vivid vessel]

all depedns on your rolls tho

[vivid vessel]

no

[sullen wyvern]

how the fk were you puming that hard zac

wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

zac show deft average hit

[frail veldt]

Yeah I got a go back to KiR now

[vivid vessel]

oh you mean this

[frail veldt]

Def fix and no PC

[glass mortar]

5%

[quaint wharf]

5%

[frail veldt]

Yuge

Yuuuuuge

[vivid vessel]

well

[glass mortar]

1m BF hits

[sullen wyvern]

which one is deft? 161m?

[vivid vessel]

this was no bosses

[glass mortar]

on 8 targets

[vivid vessel]

so

[glass mortar]

not bad

[vivid vessel]

thats like pure aoe

[frail veldt]

Yeah still

[glass mortar]

an 8m damage builder is pretty strong

[vivid vessel]

in high keys

people cant really be upset

at stuffs

[gaunt phoenix]

ye ok matches sim

[quaint wharf]

killing spree best

[glass mortar]

i mean almost nobody plays with outlaw and when kspree kills ur party its so funny to watch

they probably just laugh it off once or twice

[frail veldt]

Loooooooool

[glass mortar]

now if ur playing with outlaw all the time...

[quaint wharf]

yup

[vivid vessel]

idk they are starting to be more aware

now

its cool

[frail veldt]

Resil has also made people chiller I think

[vivid vessel]

like i ask my tanks

to move mobs out of aoes

[fallen knot]

2nd boss of workshop fucking counters me

[vivid vessel]

and htey know about it now

[quaint wharf]

100%

[vapid blaze]

aint no way
you get targeted midway and it wipes u

[daring oxide]

no pc?

[quaint wharf]

people complain about resil and i understand the complains

[quaint wharf]

i think its chill tho personally

[vivid vessel]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

beautiful

[vivid vessel]

my dispatch is much higher

sim is 2.6

washed up gg

[glass mortar]

junkos putrid garbage putting in the WORK

[vivid vessel]

so weird

everything else lines up

but dispatch

i must be bad at the game

[glass mortar]

i mean dispatch could just be tier set variance

[vivid vessel]

and bte

well i guess ye

make sense

[glass mortar]

half the tier set is a rng dispatch buff

[vivid vessel]

i have more resrtealth

cause start of a dungeon

vs aoe sim

ye make sense

[gaunt phoenix]

your dispatch is 3.1 vs 2.6 in sim ye?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

but this is aoe sim vs me start of a dungeon

i get more restealth

my bte is higher

oh well nvm

or yes

sorry

[gaunt phoenix]

ye outlaw bugged

declined

[vivid vessel]

[sullen wyvern]

I think

[upbeat tundra]

i was trying to do some 10s last night before reset i literally could not get in one

[sullen wyvern]

no troll

that post is gonna hurt us

a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

good

[sullen wyvern]

is gonna be harder to pug

[vivid vessel]

good ye

we might get a buff

[sullen wyvern]

hopefully

[vivid vessel]

you know how blizzard works

player perception

[sullen wyvern]

we gotta endure the storm for now

[vivid vessel]

is more important than actual real numbers

for them

they have said that before

[tropic zephyr]

No cr no bl no dispell

[vivid vessel]

if everyone think we are shit

[tropic zephyr]

Ggs

[vivid vessel]

we are shit

[upbeat tundra]

it is our duty to get into floodgates and kill not only ourselves but also our teammates

we must killing spree on cd always and deplete keys

[fluid meadow]

we have so much chance there, 3rd boss too

[tight kernel]

zac you switching HO yes?

[covert kestrel]

he'd rather die

[upbeat tundra]

we must enter workshop and ks on cd on last boss or really just anywhere

[vivid vessel]

why would i watn to do

no damage

[glass mortar]

it does damage just

not where u always want it to

[vivid vessel]

cope

[glass mortar]

actually with gm bug

wtf

ho is slapping rn

wdym

perma gm whole dungeon

[vivid vessel]

ye its prolly better

[glass mortar]

mad??

[vivid vessel]

let me be ok

[glass mortar]

(i am)

[vivid vessel]

if i never spec ho

[glass mortar]

i will go back kir as soon as this gm thing is fixed

[vivid vessel]

i will never know its better

[glass mortar]

i dont wanna play around it

i do wanna play deft tho

[vivid vessel]

and since no one does damage anywya

[glass mortar]

i miss deft so much

[vivid vessel]

no one can prove to me its better either

so

im like

mega safe

in my bubble

that i created

[fluid meadow]

we play around so much negative bug, when we have a positive it's weird to play

[gaunt phoenix]

after gm KIR should win at full targets again

[vivid vessel]

im litteraly gaslighting myself

perma

[gaunt phoenix]

by a decent amount

but you lose st

[tropic zephyr]

Big ho slap fr

[glass mortar]

well GM is still a negative bug for kir

since the way it adds gameplay is dont use deft

for certain times

for HO its just a net positive yea

[tropic zephyr]

10m DPS every ambush no cap

[runic bough]

Hmm

I should try ho fate

[glass mortar]

if u wanna try the worst build in the game for us rn ye

[gaunt phoenix]

why

[tropic zephyr]

[wintry solar]

Yall forget he has no tier

[runic bough]

For science

School project

[glass mortar]

true

i do forget the lack of tier set

[gaunt phoenix]

ye cause you wont catalyze heroic pieces

dont we have like 6 of them now

[runic bough]

Do you guys forget Zac gave me tips and I listen to him and started playing ks.

[wintry solar]

You also play gsw

[frail rover]

killingspree down?

[wintry solar]

Why would it be down

[covert kestrel]

Ryu sees in more dimensions than any of us could possibly imagine

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-wtf-matrix-the-matrix-blink182-gif-11308275628706487257

[frail rover]

casting at 7 cp. nothing happens

[covert kestrel]

Ryu looking at us playing KS

[gaunt phoenix]

i think less dimensions

[frail rover]

only uses 7 cp

[wintry solar]

He's testing out builds for next tier

[glass mortar]

u got parried

[runic bough]

How do we maximize gsw. Bte ps bte ps bte ps bte ps

[glass mortar]

or had the bugged root from floodgate on u

[royal ermine]

one wowhead post and now its not even possible to get into 10s I just want my crests bro

[wintry solar]

Something like that

[ocean meadow]

How yall fell about ussing?
It sims pretty high dps but seems really low in logs on the procs

[glass mortar]

if the first attack of kspree fails for whatever reason, the whole ability fizzles

[gaunt phoenix]

how much is low?

[runic bough]

NEW COOK GUYS

[ocean meadow]

2-3% last few keys

[gaunt phoenix]

thats good

[glass mortar]

thats like our strongest trinkets in the game

[gaunt phoenix]

every trinket does that

[glass mortar]

u wont find stuff doing more

[gaunt phoenix]

or worse

[wintry solar]

Technically you hold opp procs for bte

[trail star]

isnt an on use item

what procs

[ocean meadow]

Yes its on use

using it on CD

[trail star]

With procs you mean hits?

[glass mortar]

that is correct damage

trinkets kinda meh this season

[ocean meadow]

yes sorry

[covert kestrel]

dont miss the bike

[trail star]

Iirc trinkets are capped at 5t so

5 or 6 i dont remember

[gaunt phoenix]

the aoe scaling is capped

[trail star]

was 60%? i dont remember

[glass mortar]

it used to be 75%

[trail star]

15 per add

[gaunt phoenix]

it 30% per add now

[glass mortar]

i believe they doubled it recently

[runic bough]

Between the Eyes now gives you x2 fth procs. This way we can always use GSW and pistol shot as a builder.

Goodbye sinister strike!

[glass mortar]

so itll do max 250% damage on 5t or something?

[trail star]

oh thats dope

[gaunt phoenix]

yes +150%

[trail star]

I guess they nerfed the base dmg then

[glass mortar]

still splitting mind u so u still llose ST damage anytime theres aoe

nah they didnt

[wintry solar]

[glass mortar]

or, idk what u mean by nerfed since its a new season

every trinket is just tuned low this season

i guess u could call that nerfed but its a bit weird to say

[trail star]

Because of the change right

[covert kestrel]

[trail star]

We had pretty good m+ trinkets in the past

[glass mortar]

no they didnt need to nerf trinkets for that change

[runic bough]

Damn imagine using gsw as a builder

[glass mortar]

meteoring trinkets already got raw dogged by stat trinkets for 99% of specs in the game

[runic bough]

Instead of weak ass sinister strikes

[glass mortar]

it was very silly how meteor scaled originally at all

[gaunt phoenix]

ye took them 8 years to throw damage trinkets a bone

[glass mortar]

ur on a 10 target pulls and ur direct damage trinket is scaling worse then a secondary stat trinket on a 2t pull

[wintry solar]

I've been thinking of a crackshot alternative that's similar but it resets the CD of bte when you consume a gsw proc

[glass mortar]

kinda funny no?

when u think about it

[runic bough]

We would effective be a ranged high apm spec also

Efectively

Besides our melees

If most of our dmg was ps and bte

[wintry solar]

I like sinister strike

Yeah I said it

[glass mortar]

so not a ranged spec since auto attack is rather important for us

ud need to give us ranged autos to ever really have that

[gaunt phoenix]

let's get bugfix and ks before we muse on spec tree changes for 12.0

[runic bough]

Yeah weran u right

[wintry solar]

We did all we can

[glass mortar]

i have said for a long time making crackshot a purely ranged window would be a banger tho

[wintry solar]

Up to blizz now

[glass mortar]

for that whole window give every attack a 10 yard range or something

[upbeat tundra]

does other shit snapshot with bf

[gaunt phoenix]

i doubt it

[covert kestrel]

Everytime you exit a subterfuge window for 15 seconds you are a 15yd ranged class and all melee attacks are replaced with gun attacks

WHO SAYS NO

[glass mortar]

why exit subterfuge window

[runic bough]

I want bte to be a shotgun or double pistol visual. Makes no sense to have bte and ps share the same visual.

[glass mortar]

subterfuge windows are ur most important windows

thats when ud want the range

[covert kestrel]

So you can chain them

idk i was attempting a ryu level cook, clearly i cant handle his cheffing

[runic bough]

Its just out of the bubble thinking

Anyone can do it

[glass mortar]

anyway not to steal from the goat spec, but something like aspect of the eagle in some form would go mega hard for outlaw

would probably be to copycat tho

[wintry solar]

I HATE subterfuge

[runic bough]

Unless your slave, well you are oppressed so u are told to stop thinking outside the bubble. You are not a slave so yes you can.

[wintry solar]

Gimme 100% crit chance in stealth

[wintry solar]

They hate those that think differently

It's why they'll never be remembered

[runic bough]

I know I'm ridiculed in real life too for it dont worry hahaha

Doesn't stop me from thinking about all possibilities

[wintry solar]

Speculating is half the fun

[covert kestrel]

i think instead of a cd that you press every now and then, you actually have two different "modes" that you switch between throughout combat depending on circumstance would be hecking nifty

[glass mortar]

well

ok but u need to think within the video game

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glass mortar]

survival has aspect of the eagle as a cd because it is a melee

if u make a spec that can decide to be a ranged half the time or a melee

u need to start giving it ranged mechanics

is that what u want for outlaw?

theres a reason they havent done a true mixed dps yet

[wintry solar]

You'll need to not only get melee weapons but another weapon slot for ranged

[runic bough]

Our problem is not ideas guys

I'll stop there

[covert kestrel]

our last heroic reclear we had hella melee and i got the drill on Lockenstock and was me

[covert kestrel]

one more class for guns!

[glass mortar]

yup

[wintry solar]

Honestly?

For real?

[upbeat tundra]

idk what u guys are cookin but id settle with just not hitting a button that kills myself

[glass mortar]

i mean listen i think a gunslinger spec would go hard

i do think outlaw is like halfway there

i dont think it could exist alongside a melee spec tho

in one talent tree

thats like new spec angle

[wintry solar]

Project Ascension does the gun slinger thing great

It's melee but still a gun slinger

[glass mortar]

yea i mean i see gunslinger as like a dev evoker kinda deal

[wintry solar]

Pistol shot and stuff has an 8 yard range

[glass mortar]

"mid range" with high mobility

but then i think to myself, do we need more mid range specs in this game

the only times u notice mid range as evoker, its because its handicapping u

u dont get a benifit

u still get all the ranged mechanics

[runic bough]

All outlaw needs to be gun slinger is a second pistol shot visual holding both

[late swallow]

bro you misspelled benefit!!!!

tighten it up bro!!!!!

[glass mortar]

but being a gunslinger from like 500 yards away

doesnt really fit the theme

[vapid blaze]

dual wield shotguns

[glass mortar]

we lost ark now

i still think BtE should be a frontal cone style ability instead of a BFing ST hit but we arent ready for that convo yet

💅

[wintry solar]

Blizz could rip off project ascensions defias gunslinger and I think yalld enjoy it

[latent oak]

frontal cones are cringe!!

[glass mortar]

not if u do them right

[wintry solar]

True!

[glass mortar]

survivals bombs r based

[patent mirage]

no need for cones

[wintry solar]

True!

[latent oak]

thats true tbf

[patent mirage]

richochette shot

[wintry solar]

True!

[latent oak]

having splash aroudn the m ain target does help alot with surv

[glass mortar]

i also think our pistol abilities should have some thematic elements to differentiate them from our other hits

[patent mirage]

they could turn gsw to outlaw spatter

[glass mortar]

they should do fire damage baseline, and gsw or something should make them auto crit and scale off crit chance to damage

[patent mirage]

or gsw , ps crits doe splash dmg

or simply make gsw stack with fth

[latent oak]

making current gsw good is a bad idea

[glass mortar]

GSW stacking would probably go a long way to making it numerically playable

[latent oak]

bc its 0 gameplayt

[glass mortar]

its still a pretty boring talent

[runic bough]

Bte being a aoe sounds heavenly

[glass mortar]

would rather see a whole redesign

[latent oak]

ya

[patent mirage]

make it do splash dmg easy fix

[glass mortar]

that doesnt help it on st

also that doesnt make it more interesting

[late swallow]

GSW stacking would be crazy

imagine a full ace chain in a subt window

[patent mirage]

we have talents that are archaic design

[late swallow]

your PS would gap bte crit damage

[vivid vessel]

you know my profile had m+ kir ahead of m+ ho

which definitly weird

but idk

[wintry solar]

Idk

Gsw is just counter ace gameplay

[glass mortar]

were u comparing pc builds

@vivid vessel

[runic bough]

You know how a grenade blows up after you throw it. What if outlaw had an ability like that but like a cannon grenade.

[glass mortar]

like a say... explosive shot?

[runic bough]

No you throw it

[glass mortar]

survival got alot of the cool explosive gameplay that coulda made sense for law ngl

[upbeat tundra]

i have a solution that blizzard might actually implement:

increase the duration it takes killing spree to complete its animation to a full 30s

make us immortal for the full 30 second duration

AS A TRADE OFF:

during the entire killing spree animation, it plays an unskippable advertisement we have to watch

[runic bough]

And it explodes

It could be a mouseover dps

[wintry solar]

I've been saying they should make the dynamite from vanilla a part of outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

oh so ground targeted aoe delayed explosive

ok now ur talking my language

[latent oak]

pls no ground targeting

[glass mortar]

(everyone hates ground targeted abilities)

(i do not)

[runic bough]

Yes like that

[latent oak]

actually the work of the devil

[glass mortar]

ground targeted AND delayed

we got a DOUBLE BANGER

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

a real overall this time

[runic bough]

Bro it's just a mouseover Macro and it's ez

[vivid vessel]

this is 1.4% more than before

not that impressive

[glass mortar]

u cant mouseover ground targeted stuff but u mean @cursor i assume

[latent oak]

why not just cast at ur target then

[runic bough]

Yeah cursor macro

[latent oak]

if u gunna remove the decision making behind it

[wintry solar]

@player

[glass mortar]

1.4% more then before, so u would u say... its doubled

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[glass mortar]

perhaps like deft says it is

[vivid vessel]

i guess im not pressing it on cd sometimes cause of gm bug

[glass mortar]

🤔

[runic bough]

Like all the dh sigil same thing for our dynamite toss

[gaunt phoenix]

nimble flurry is working correctly btw, like it does not try to snapshot or whatever

[vivid vessel]

ye

[gaunt phoenix]

in case there was a doubt

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

should i compare pc or not

tho

idk

i think im done with pc

friendship with pc ended

[glass mortar]

i mean try it out to see

but idk it sounds very bad in my head rn

[vivid vessel]

oh wait

[wintry solar]

I imagine it'd be better once more bf fixes come

[vivid vessel]

weran t

the sim i sent earlier

[gaunt phoenix]

werant

[vivid vessel]

i had wrong flask on

that sounds like a cooked sim

[runic bough]

Best case scenario is 2 target boss. Is PC not adding 30% dmg?

[gaunt phoenix]

it does work on priory boss

it doesnt work if you are near dead mobs

cause they eat the pc bonus

[latent oak]

should work on first 2 floodgate bosses too

since u move after the adds die

[wintry solar]

We just been sacrificing ST for the luls

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar here with haste flask so im not inting

still similar

[upbeat tundra]

realz just facetimed me and he's at the office working on this, should be pushed soon

[vivid vessel]

nice ty

[upbeat tundra]

also putting in a quick ks fix

[runic bough]

We should use this opportunity to incline the favor for adding a bf range viewer to blizzard

Thoughts?

[wintry solar]

Sure

[daring oxide]

nice any news on this

[vivid vessel]

no

[jovial socket]

hell nah

[wintry solar]

How does the percentage of your name work?

[daring oxide]

whenever i feel happy again i increase it by another 1%

[wintry solar]

Amazing

[plush goblet]

guys are Bugs from 11.1.5 fixed?

[upbeat tundra]

yep login

[daring oxide]

yep in 11.2

[runic bough]

Outlaw is a bug, that is all.

[wintry solar]

Buglaw

[hasty warren]

it's not buggs but features

[runic bough]

[gaunt phoenix]

they're not from 11.1.5, the title is a lie

but one of them is so far (deft maneuvers damage bonus)

[wintry solar]

I dropped ace for pc. You believe that?

[daring oxide]

deft feels like 2.5% aoe damage increase

[hasty warren]

stop taking my slots guys pls

[daring oxide]

lets go

[wintry solar]

I feel cheated and lied to

[daring oxide]

no

delete PC

it doesn't work properly

[vivid vessel]

game in french

[runic bough]

How did it feel tho?

[wintry solar]

Amazing

I had fun

[patent mirage]

wat

[hasty warren]

yeh i've always played in french

for of habit

[daring oxide]

like @vivid vessel

he also baguette

[wintry solar]

Well now in hindsight I shouldn't have done it since I gained nothing

[hasty warren]

he play in english

[wintry solar]

And now its unfun

[hasty warren]

but I do like the game in frech

[daring oxide]

he plays french music

[hasty warren]

real kinda cool playlist btw

[runic bough]

Elf do you want to be Zacs outlaw pupil?

[daring oxide]

it is

[hasty warren]

wdym ?

[vivid vessel]

elf

yuo have

skype

linked

bro still in 2000

[hasty warren]

realy ?

lol

[vivid vessel]

skype

[hasty warren]

it's maybe when I swaped from skype to discord

in highschool

[hasty warren]

was funny times

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar kir slice 💀

thats the kind of shit i mean

like

how is this real

[proven ocean]

pc straight up doesnt work

because of that shit

lmaoaoaoao

fuck this game man

i swear outlaw has potential man

[hasty warren]

pc 1 fth ?

[proven ocean]

they just needd to fix that shit

[glass mortar]

i mean why r u surprised like

PC kinda owns at its target counts

if it works

IF

its just been buffed so many times

and dslice target counts r like defacto PC target counts idk

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

[hasty warren]

@vivid vessel btw zac do you know an outlaw player from bfa named Dja or Djakuzi ?

[mossy forum]

does the Gallywix wep proc off of blade flurry cleaves as well? or is it only a ST proc

[vivid vessel]

idk man

its hard

[vivid vessel]

nah

i didnt play bfa elf

i started in sl

[hasty warren]

k, me too

[late swallow]

zac was on that googoo gaga shit in bfa

[wide flare]

Ramfam bfa goat

[late swallow]

bro was like 11

[hasty warren]

It's a friend of a friend that was pretty good

[vivid vessel]

playing minecraft fr

you remember that guy that came in here

[wintry solar]

Bfa

[vivid vessel]

"bro you prolly was playing minecraft while I was already doing that shit "

ye

ye i was

mad ?

minecraft a banger

[hasty warren]

real

pre 1.11

[wintry solar]

I remember minecraft on ps3

Where does the time go

[hasty warren]

man I was so happy in 2012/2013 playing minecraft with strangers on skype

[runic bough]

Can u imagine what if blizzard thinks we are all bad at outlaw but really all the skills are just bugged.

[hasty warren]

then I strated playing league

[wintry solar]

Fix bf

I wanna drop ace again

[hasty warren]

wait outlaw exist ?

[wintry solar]

In purgatory

Is it good bugged or bad bugged?

[reef forge]

so has everyone dropped pc until bug fix?

[hasty warren]

though rogue had only 2 spec like dh do

[wintry solar]

I think people are just dropping it indefinitely

[hasty warren]

i'm still playing with it

pc deft 1fth

[runic bough]

Hmm I should gsw instead of pc

[wintry solar]

Even when fixed

[hasty warren]

I don't feel more dps

[reef forge]

someones lying

[hasty warren]

gsw our savior

[frank finch]

zac breaking up with pc

hate to see it

[twilit rivet]

wait have i missed sopmething with pc?

[vivid vessel]

I did

[wintry solar]

Ay yai yai

[reef forge]

ok, will try it

[covert kestrel]

Well with how bf is bugged pc does not like that

[runic bough]

Lurkers are starting to comment now after the wowhead article

[wintry solar]

You know you cant

[hasty warren]

🙏

[wintry solar]

Ryuuuu

[hasty warren]

time to cook something

[runic bough]

Ummm

Your right I think

[wintry solar]

We have been over this like 12 times lol

[runic bough]

Its either gs or gsw can't have both

Yeah

I'm sorry I don't sleep much my memory is still in 2005

[craggy barn]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[craggy barn]

hmm

[hasty warren]

btw do we have ressources to know when we can KS ? I'm choked seeing eac using KS during Brew last boss when lava wavess are coming and not dying (not always)

[wintry solar]

Though I wonder if you go gsw by dropping cto

Should try that

[runic bough]

Oh yeah

Cto sucks now

[quaint wharf]

@glass mortar just did a ToP with taking gs over pc, honestly i felt the difference missing pc on the first boss. also couldnt snapshot BF until 10% left because i just didnt roll a GM until then shit test but we go agane

[runic bough]

Since we rtb on tap

Cto bye bye when I get home

[glass mortar]

oh yea i mean

top is probably the PCest key

one of the few keys a majority of ur pulls arent target cap or beyond at this point honestly

but also.. its a good ghostly key

its cursed. its a cursed key

glhf

[twilit rivet]

what about Ghostly strike instead of PC for now?

[wintry solar]

Its a shame too. I like that dungeon.

[hasty warren]

I think too

[wintry solar]

Bro why are all my favorite dungeons ass on outlaw

[quaint wharf]

having this WA now makes me wonder how many times i was missing out on GM though

[wintry solar]

Except priory

Love priory

[runic bough]

I finally timed a 10 priory last night

Took a 3k rating tank omg

[hasty warren]

I love it as outlaw and hate it as healer

[wintry solar]

Real

[hasty warren]

first pulls

[quaint wharf]

healing priory sucks ass

[wintry solar]

My biggest fear is Sethraliss coming back and that too being bad for outlaw

Like

[quaint wharf]

but its also giga fun at the same time

[patent mirage]

priory of the consecration

[hasty warren]

honnestly aoe cut cast is shit

[wintry solar]

I can handle outlaw not being what I want, but outlaw not being what I want AND being bad in my favorite dungeon in the game is a no go

[patent mirage]

it could be even worse having sob again

[runic bough]

How do people pull 5 caster packs in priory

You die instantly without aoe interrupt chain

Before last boss

[wintry solar]

Well I'm a freak that likes Sethraliss

[runic bough]

Was crazt

[wintry solar]

Bugs and all

[hasty warren]

ok i'm taken in brew 13, i keep pc ?

[vivid vessel]

you answered it

[wintry solar]

Also what's SoB?

Trying to remember

[latent oak]

seige of boralus

[wintry solar]

Ohhhh

Yeah that's super mid

At best

Those bananas made me put a hole in my wall

Not really but I wanted to

[latent oak]

i lowkey liked shring of the storm

[hasty warren]

ptsd banans

[wintry solar]

It's good if your group knows how that dungeon works

[runic bough]

Those bananas spawn more than they should honestly

[hasty warren]

imagine playing KS with bananas

[delicate seal]

bananas

and fences

were so troll

[wintry solar]

Pugging shrine of the storm is a literal hellscape

[runic bough]

Here lets just make the floor so you can't move

Too many bananamas

[frail rover]

/fuu

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[patent mirage]

not shrine

burn it

[wintry solar]

My adr uptime never went above 70%

In sob

[runic bough]

I think everbloom should be a key that is in every season to test your damage on last boss

[wintry solar]

Love that boss

I don't really care for the rest of the dungeon

[runic bough]

That is a valid point

[fluid meadow]

my tank friend pinged me there if i touched one of them, and i want to ping him back when he goes in 2 immediately, but i didn't ping, after the keys he instantly told if i would ping him there he leave during key

[runic bough]

But that boss is worth it

[wintry solar]

So true

[runic bough]

Wow what a rager

[wintry solar]

I spam ping when someone pings nonsense

I can ping too

[runic bough]

I would unfriend him that's like police abusing their power. Tank abusing his position.

[wintry solar]

What friend leaves mid key

[fluid meadow]

idk some players really don't see pings meanwile 4 players are ping muted cause of him

[wintry solar]

I can honestly say I've never ever been the first to leave a key

[runic bough]

No friend would say they will leave If you ping that's such a little thing to leave over

[fluid meadow]

he would just leave cause of karma to ping my fail and he did 2 afterwards instantly

[wintry solar]

Lame

[runic bough]

Yeah I think I'll take off cto when I get home

Try it out

[hybrid crown]

I left a +2 I was healing because the DPS was reaaaalllyyy low

Like 300k and 400k from 2 of the dps

[wintry solar]

Jeez

[pearl trout]

my worst keys were with friends because we just start fucking with each other, pinging, putting mechanics over others, pulling extra packs, the friend that's tanking makes an ungodly route just to fuck with us, etc

[runic bough]

Maybe they were alts AND clickers hmm

[hybrid crown]

I'd rather heal a pumper DPS who stands in shit tbh

[wintry solar]

Your damage if you talent out of crackshot unironically

Geared to the T but you won't time anything

[peak dock]

Are we fixed son?

[wintry solar]

My dog is

[runic bough]

Dad what are you doing here

[wintry solar]

My dad plays wow

So it makes sense to me

[fluid meadow]

what can say

[wintry solar]

Dad plays ww

[runic bough]

When I get old I'm just gonna gather all day for my grandkids that play and give them free mats.

[wintry solar]

"Its just like rogue"

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Don't ever change dad

Time on earth is finite. Play wow with your dad.

[light dune]

even with the bug surely its a run PC on top angle right

or just PC dead

[brisk meadow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

Idek how good pc will be when bf is fixed

I hope it's decent

[runic bough]

If pc worked as intendes

That's 7x6

30% more bf dmg

[vivid vessel]

if i deplete a 10 on an alt

do i get a 10 next wek

or a 11

9

[sullen wyvern]

9

[jovial socket]

9

cooked

[vivid vessel]

and if its timed

its a 10 ?

right

[sullen wyvern]

10

[vivid vessel]

ye

true

[hasty warren]

is it ok for brew right after IPA ? (we stop after too slow to end)

[vivid vessel]

idk i dont deplete

[past falcon]

do u need ur alt to be carried

[vivid vessel]

thats for noobs

[past falcon]

oh ok good

[vivid vessel]

ye

imma buy one before reset

for my monk

otherwsie he is scuffed for another week

kekw

[exotic grail]

but it doesnt matter if you do the key on an alt or on your main, its always the same

[vivid vessel]

ye

well

idk

ah i guess im stupid you are right

[desert tendon]

yes i m right

but you re not stupid

dont say that again

[woeful otter]

did GM snapshot fix？

[vivid vessel]

dont think so

[tight kernel]

no

they will only fix once zac goes HO

[vivid vessel]

no one actually retested so

[craggy barn]

hmm raidbots wants me to go 14% haste as ho in dslice with a vers>crit ring, this is just aoe favoring those over haste right

mitch u see the new trader post

[royal hollow]

friends, whats the fastest way to get gear for my alt now? except making my friends carry me through keys and raid

[fiery timber]

buy boost

do delves

[royal hollow]

the hog mount is 10/10, im wanting

[fiery timber]

do the new event in hallowfall

[craggy barn]

the fox cloak

100% putting this on my vulp

[royal hollow]

vulpera cosplaying a vulpera

[craggy barn]

uve seen my vulp

it only makes sense

[unkempt smelt]

That's from TP?

[craggy barn]

ye

[royal hollow]

is it repeatable or its like a one time thing

[craggy barn]

jeezus

yiforyif stonks rising

[royal hollow]

is that a dk im seeing

[craggy barn]

no

hunter

i prim play marks, but i have 4 vulpines if i play pet specs

[vivid vessel]

wtf you can be a fury

where is that

[craggy barn]

trader post next month

[vivid vessel]

oh wow banger

[royal hollow]

[vivid vessel]

oh this shit a banger

[fiery timber]

uh actually dont know just did it once

[craggy barn]

ye

[royal hollow]

YES!

[craggy barn]

hedg mount is huge

[fiery timber]

but u can buy gear up to 636

[vivid vessel]

wait wtf

[craggy barn]

ninja turtle sets coming out

[vivid vessel]

wati

waht

[royal hollow]

look at the mace weapon too

[craggy barn]

TMNT

[vivid vessel]

is this a ninja turtle collab

[craggy barn]

yes

bro they already released some masks

[fiery timber]

wtf

[craggy barn]

for TMNT sets

[royal hollow]

this plus yellow suit

naming my character BruiseLee

[vivid vessel]

oh thats a mace

bro i wonder

i think this could work

ngl

[craggy barn]

zac, why ho want 14% haste in slice 😠

[vivid vessel]

but also the katanas are crazy