outlaw

[prisma sapphire]

Not gonna reveal how much money I've lost in those stupid things

It is beyond normal.

[torpid fiber]

get into league of legends mobile edition

[safe pasture]

play osrs ez

[torpid fiber]

ok that's fair if you spend meaningful money on gacha games don't play them

[glass mortar]

gm bug is unfortunalty probably a net positive for HO rn

[prisma sapphire]

addictive personality reveals itself

[glass mortar]

so its gunna be a teeny nerf when thats fixed

[craggy quiver]

Play golf like me

[glass mortar]

very easy to snapshot a GM bf and have it up for like a whole key

[torpid fiber]

play wordscapes

[glass mortar]

almost makes the damage seem normal

[prisma sapphire]

Golf is legit

[glass mortar]

[prisma sapphire]

But if I played golf I wouldn't be complaining about outlaw bugs

[gaunt phoenix]

play oblivion, expedition 33, kcd2

[glass mortar]

im playing dragonwilds and oblivion rn

when im not too busy DELVING

[safe pasture]

i cant wait for dragonwilds to be finished its gona be so gooood

[prisma sapphire]

I was about to thumbs up that

Why delete

Maximum rage

[robust bolt]

hit the wrong key Xd

[torpid fiber]

I've been playing ace attorney investigations 1 recently, the game is better than I expected from the reputation tbh

[lone spear]

yo expidition 33 is peak

for sure recommend

[prisma sapphire]

I saw this. Maybe ill buy

[robust bolt]

when in godsname can we expect a fix to outlaw? this stuff is beyond silly
Edit : there you go!

[prisma sapphire]

Only if you give it a 9.5+/10

Im too old to enjoy rehashed games

[prisma sapphire]

Hell yea

[lone spear]

its def the most FF style RPG to come out in the last decade i think

[latent belfry]

Hoping that all these bugs means that outlaw will get some buffs soon

[prisma sapphire]

The fix might be enough of a buff without taking us into the danger zone

[robust bolt]

did hear one of our rogue devs in on the disc, so im hoping we can make them see some reason

[gaunt phoenix]

you really shouldn't expect that they drop everything to investigate proposed bugs and fix them in a day

like that's just not how dev environments work

[safe pasture]

I mean we still wont be breaking unholy numbers i wouldn't imagine so think be ok

[prisma sapphire]

It's gotta be just one line of code

[gaunt phoenix]

they already acknowledged them and fixed an easy one

[prisma sapphire]

"Blade Flurry no longer hits dead targets"

So ez

[gaunt phoenix]

So demanding more right now is weird

[lone spear]

yea this one is excusable, its existed for so long and no one picked it up, even community

[vivid vessel]

I'm not doing keys till they fix gm and bf

[craggy quiver]

Not sure how the bf hitting dead targets creeped back in

I thought they fixed it way back

[vivid vessel]

We did tho

[reef forge]

Holy shit he's on strike

[vivid vessel]

For a long time

[lone spear]

it wasnt in known bugs tho

[torpid fiber]

The current understanding is that it was never actually fixed

[craggy quiver]

Wat

[vivid vessel]

This been a thing for so long that outlaw was doing less damage in bigger pulls

[craggy quiver]

Ain't no way

[vivid vessel]

We just never knew why

[torpid fiber]

It just wasn't a dps-affecting bug until SL

[safe pasture]

I thought the why was cause I sucked (still prob is)

[glass mortar]

we picked up on it but it was all schitzo posting from us

even for me it wa a tinfoil hat ive had since early TWW

ara ara did not feel ok

but it was so hard to find actual issues

we did peep at logs

[lone spear]

i mean yea, to be fair it isnt our jobs to find bugs anyway

it should be blizzard QA

but they dont exist so

[glass mortar]

i think the reality is looking at outlaws damage breakdown second by second is a clusterfuck because we do everything so fast

15s of combat can easily be a thousand damage events

never bothered to scroll to the point where piss mobs were dead

[torpid fiber]

Outlaw logs are infamously unreadable for a reason

[craggy quiver]

I thought for sure they fixed it before

Bf bug

[torpid fiber]

I suspect they probably applied a visual fix at some point in the past

[latent belfry]

So if that gets fixed it’s almost like a buff? I’m cool with that

[lone spear]

ehhhh

[craggy quiver]

I remember a wowhead article I think

[lone spear]

to some extent ye

[glass mortar]

itd be a "buff" in specific situations

[torpid fiber]

Because back when bf was uncapped, it didn't actually matter if it was hitting dead targets on the backend

[cinder relic]

Okay so what if removing that one flag breaks 3 other things

[prisma sapphire]

Just do it!!!!!!!

[lone spear]

cant believe solo wrote that

[glass mortar]

the most realistic thing rn is PC is probably getting a bit devalued by calculating off corpses nearby also

if ur not chain pulling

[craggy quiver]

I thought the dead bug happen in shadowlands

[vapid blaze]

but dont they do that for other classes?

[cinder relic]

Programming isn't "ohhh I forgot to enable the "don't bug" line of code"

[prisma sapphire]

Sometimes it is

[craggy quiver]

During ataldazr aeason

[torpid fiber]

it is sometimes to be fair

[vapid blaze]

dh got fixed the next day

[glass mortar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1166809459901878363.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

me when i forgot to check the box for "not hitting dead bodies" on blade flurry

[safe pasture]

dont bug == False

[glass mortar]

this is how u guys think it works

[prisma sapphire]

Sometimes it's as easy as "BF no longer hits dead targets" 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[safe pasture]

found the issue

[robust bolt]

i think we all understand that this stuff is hard to fix, we all aknowledge this. tho being understanding doesnt mean. We have to be happy about it or be quiet

[craggy quiver]

Outlaw actually beating a dead horse

[prisma sapphire]

Sorry

I've been unreasonably irritated since coup fix

[lone spear]

i think the general neglect has people on edge

they madge at anything

[prisma sapphire]

Yep

[cinder relic]

People are just fucking obnoxious

[late swallow]

@realzz fix outlaw bozo!!!!!!!

[prisma sapphire]

Im even mad at myself for playing WoW

[prisma sapphire]

You might be as irritated as I am but for different reasons

[jolly geyser]

take break

[inner stump]

some times it's as dumb as adding an "isAlive()" to a condition, but wow has huge amounts of spaghetti so it might be way more complicated

[tulip jewel]

this is quality

[late swallow]

Kraft sounds like you need to step away from the game bro

[prisma sapphire]

Do this Blizz

[prisma sapphire]

I am about to step away from Disc

[lone spear]

i hate that advice btw

"just dont play the game bro lol"

[unkempt dew]

Are we meta yet?

[gaunt phoenix]

shocker that there is more important work than investigating class bugs

[prisma sapphire]

Once they fix BF we will match UH damage in meadery

[cinder relic]

Bro if people are only miserable playing a video game they should stop playing

That's not bad advice

[lone spear]

i dont think they are

i think if people genuinely are upset every time they play

then they need help

[zenith sparrow]

Is outlaw on its way up?

[vivid vessel]

try doing keys with ks

[hybrid crown]

Outlaw secret 10 vault key meta spec

[dense bolt]

@gaunt phoenix https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SyyJ9FJ-kU5LMMTsaXIesOUE4dY8cDiTkAVc-s0qw9M/edit?gid=958747325#gid=958747325 do we have something similar where we can see our bugs or is there a command or smth

[vivid vessel]

!bug

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[tired rune]

been taking time off this season after the grease of last but just saw your article @cinder relic thanks for the write up, maybe sin will get another buff now

[lone spear]

i mean thats the point, playing outlaw is fun in keys, even with KS

until something goes wrong

then its not fun

[dense bolt]

ty

[lone spear]

thats why we advocate for changes

[prisma sapphire]

It felt fun when the damage was decent

[lone spear]

its not "this game is so unplayable blizz rah"

its "this sucks change it so i can have even more fun"

[prisma sapphire]

Then they nerfed coup and it felt like there was 0 benefit for the rism

Risk*

[lone spear]

if you legit are just not having fun playing wow, then by all means stop, tis a game after all

[hasty warren]

so close for top 3 realm

[prisma sapphire]

And now that we see potential for a damage buff from BF fix, we are desperate for some good news

[vivid vessel]

archimonde

[lone spear]

though then theres also commitments to guilds and key groups, so even then its not so simple

[hasty warren]

bro we're 170

[vivid vessel]

im addicted

[lone spear]

pull up the t1 clip

[vivid vessel]

thats me

[lone spear]

https://youtu.be/EIO1g97S2x8

zac pov

[vivid vessel]

Lately I tilt myself at the end of every key session

Either cause ks

[proven ocean]

Zac

[tired rune]

lmao

[vivid vessel]

Or cause I do so little damage

It's insufferable

[proven ocean]

1 key and we will get resilient 17

18

[vivid vessel]

I still come back to it everyday tho

[vivid vessel]

Big

[proven ocean]

We’re catching up with Rio now

[vivid vessel]

Nice

When timing a 20 tho

[proven ocean]

We are playing with chaddo mostly nowadays

[vivid vessel]

Noob

[proven ocean]

Do u know him

[vivid vessel]

By name

[proven ocean]

He’s French

[vivid vessel]

Done some keys with probably

Idk

Ye I know he is french

[proven ocean]

He’s rly good

[prisma sapphire]

Didn't realize that getting pissed but coming back to the game regularly might be a sign I'm addicted

[proven ocean]

Very good tank

[gaunt phoenix]

me but im addicted to ravenholdt

[prisma sapphire]

Compelled to do something again in spite negative consequences

Hmmmm

[proven ocean]

Why

What’s makes u addicted

[prisma sapphire]

Childhood trauma

Maybe

[lone spear]

its you 😳

[proven ocean]

Who the fuck are you though

[lone spear]

no im saying hes addicted to you

not me

i dont know you from adam

[proven ocean]

I see I see

Ur an alien?

[lone spear]

though i am no.1 heroic gallywix pre 11.1.5

so im kind of a big deal

[proven ocean]

What’s n1 heroic gallywix

[lone spear]

n1 deez nuts

[fierce trout]

Gottem

[lone spear]

🫵 😂

[safe pasture]

think they broke the servers tring to fix bf thats what im going with atleast

[lone spear]

did it get extended?

[prisma sapphire]

Fix or we riot

[lone spear]

was announced as 2hr from the start i believe

[frank finch]

no

[lofty pike]

How you See this is already fixed? Is there a Post about it or is it Testing? Just curious

[tight kernel]

Magic

[prisma sapphire]

They said SimC documentation page is the fastest way to see updates

[glass mortar]

they see the spelldata in simc

[prisma sapphire]

Now I refresh it hourly for BF fix

[lofty pike]

Guess so

[gaunt phoenix]

Hotfixes to the client are detected automatically by different programs

one way is that SimC sees them and commits the spell data changes

[lofty pike]

So its live already?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[lofty pike]

To read IT Out of simc is pure magic

[glass mortar]

just waiting for them to fix GM so i can play kir again

[dense bolt]

do we know numerous on the bf thingy fix

[gaunt phoenix]

Wdym

[lone spear]

i think that was a fancy way of saying numbers

[tight kernel]

solo can you link the github again?

[glass mortar]

deft bf now does double the damage of non deft

[dense bolt]

i redid my sentence

[tight kernel]

I thought i saved it, but I did not

[glass mortar]

or do u mean for the dead targets

[vivid vessel]

i dont think its automatic tho right

[glass mortar]

feel like its impossible to quantify that bug

[vivid vessel]

doesnt the guy run something

cause its not always instant

[frank finch]

[tight kernel]

More socket vaults anyone? Im feeling zacs luck today

[gaunt phoenix]

seri's system is automatic but sometimes it has to be rerun

[vivid vessel]

Why is it slow sometimes then

[lone spear]

my vault last week was atrocious

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[vivid vessel]

Oh seri

[lone spear]

so i needa max win

[vivid vessel]

The raidbot one

Ye

I'm talking about the simc one

[gaunt phoenix]

it's the same

[vivid vessel]

Who does that

Nvm

Well idk

It's not instant the simc one

[gaunt phoenix]

it's seri who has some way of detecting hotfixes and automating the pull request

but sometimes it's not instant ye

[glass mortar]

zac do i get hot honey, margarita or vodka pizza for lunch

its a pizza day

[frank finch]

2 out of 3 choices there r wildly sus

[hasty warren]

wtf am i reading

[inner stump]

pineapple is the correct choice

[wintry solar]

It's not that deep yall

[vivid vessel]

I don't drink

[wintry solar]

Vodka for sure

[glass mortar]

vodka is like margarita but with vodka sauce instead of marg

[fallen knot]

what the fuck is a vodka pizza

[hasty warren]

where do u live to have vodka pizza ? russia ?

[fallen knot]

and why are you asking zac he's french

[glass mortar]

ny?

[frank finch]

nvm all 3 choices r highly sus

[glass mortar]

have u never heard of penne ala vodka

[wintry solar]

HOLY SHIT YALL LEARN TO READ

[glass mortar]

its just pizza with pasta sauce on it

[gaunt phoenix]

no caps

[fallen knot]

penne alla vodka

with 2 l

[dense bolt]

dude ive never tried vodka pizza and still have no clue what kinda sauce it is

looks good tho

[glass mortar]

its so good

[wintry solar]

Mimimimimi

[hasty warren]

i'm pretty sure we don't have this in France

[dense bolt]

not in sweden either

[fallen knot]

btw i'm pretty sure none of you actually ate properly cooked pasta in your lives

[glass mortar]

wouldnt surprise me i think its more of an american pasta dish

[hasty warren]

maybe paris on weird restaurant

[fallen knot]

the fuck is pizza with pasta sauce

[safe pasture]

servers up

[fallen knot]

my eyes are bleeding please

make it stop

[lone spear]

how about pasta with pizza sauce?

[hollow portal]

I play Assa but I always pick up the Outlaw Vault and choose the Outlaw Biss items even when I'm not playing it, dreaming that they'll fix it, this spec hurts me a lot hahaha

[glass mortar]

pizza but the tomato sauce is replaced with the sauce of a type of pasta dish

idk its not that complicated

theres plenty o pizza slice types that replace the tomato sauce no?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

These people live under rocks

[fallen knot]

yes there are

but like

[thorny zinc]

pizza and pasta sauce arent even that different

[fallen knot]

pasta sauce is like saying play a dps class

if someone asks you what you would recommend playing

[glass mortar]

well i gave u the name of the type of pasta dish

i didnt think saying vodka sauce was going to explain it any better

yall probably picturing me taking a shot then eating bread with cheese on it or something

smh

[fallen knot]

no

i know what penne alla vodka are

[thorny zinc]

vodka sauce is bis

[fallen knot]

i dont know

if there's a pizza with that

[glass mortar]

i will take a pic of the slices and report back to u

do i get 3 slices of 3 flavors or 2 slices and garlic knots tho...

[fallen knot]

do 3 slices and garlic knots

but again

in italy you usually get a pizza

there are yes slices

but usually if you order from a place

you get a whole pizza

[glass mortar]

im not fat enough for that i dont think i could even eat it all this place has biiiig slices

yea i mean im going to walk in to a place at work so a whole pie would be a bit much im just grabbing some slices to go

[patent mirage]

a pizza sauce can be used for pasta

ofc im talking about using real tomatoes and not fake cheese

[sullen wyvern]

so like NY pizza

[patent mirage]

ny pizza = fake pizza

sorry

[sullen wyvern]

yeah that why I pepega

[patent mirage]

there we go

[runic gulch]

applying to keys and i get whispers like these rofl

[patent mirage]

so it begins

[sullen wyvern]

lmao

[runic gulch]

THANKS I HADN'T REALISED

[patent mirage]

" dont you know your class is bugged "

"rouge your class bad "

[vivid vessel]

Owned

[tropic isle]

aint no bug gonna stop us

[vivid vessel]

Also I would like to remind people

These bugs

Been here

Forever

[patent mirage]

deez

[craggy quiver]

Yea it's not THAT big of a deal

Ish

[vivid vessel]

It is

[sullen wyvern]

fucking finally

a weapon

[vivid vessel]

I just don't know why the article title is 11.1.5

[tropic isle]

but it does stop the invites 😁

[vivid vessel]

But idc

More clicks

Good

[torpid fiber]

wowhead reach is INSANE

[gaunt phoenix]

[viscid perch]

Btw how much dmg increase if they fix the bugs?

[vivid vessel]

50%

[gaunt phoenix]

unknown

you'd have to evaluate how often BF is trying to hit dead targets

which is not something i care to do

[vivid vessel]

Doubling my damage on first pack brew tho

100% damage increase

Thoughts

[vestal notch]

12M dps incoming

[vivid vessel]

I mean ye lol

No more will I do 6 mil first pull

[torpid fiber]

it's more dps gain on pulls we suck at which is big

[vivid vessel]

Actual insanity

[viscid perch]

Btw its so cringe.. if we dont have you guys who r testing sh.t all the time, the class is stays in the mud by blizz

Its insane

[frank finch]

stream bozo

[vivid vessel]

Soon

Or well

Maybe not

[fallen knot]

i did 19m randomly with my 660 dk on first pull of brew

[vivid vessel]

I don't feel like playing with current bugs

[fallen knot]

and i've been playing this spec not even for a week

[vivid vessel]

Gm thing is

A tragedy

[hybrid crown]

games up

someone test to see if they fixed the thing

[fallen knot]

not even 20m what a noob am i rite

[viscid perch]

We r still beta testing

So good

[silk gale]

I had the same experience lmao

[vivid vessel]

Or maybe I try to do keys and play around bf hitting dead targets

[upbeat tundra]

did they fix the shit yet

[vivid vessel]

That + being aware of gm bug

I think I could do insane numbers in mewdery

[fallen knot]

also bloodbeast didnt proc btw

[hybrid crown]

did the change to aoe trinket damage make this good

[vivid vessel]

Xd

[upbeat tundra]

xd

[hybrid crown]

I think i might just take it

[vivid vessel]

Would rather take a bullet than codex

[pearl trout]

I hit 30 mill with my DK and instantly die due to aggro, fun class

[fallen knot]

i'm used to it

i played enha s1

and ele s2

s1*

every tempest was aggro

[hybrid crown]

is it tilting seeing the cone go in weird directions

[vivid vessel]

Ye I often get agro as trickster outlaw rogue aswell

[hybrid crown]

I bet it is

[vivid vessel]

So sad

[fallen knot]

but

i dont know

dk feels way tankier

than shit ass shaman

[hybrid crown]

im taking it for funsies

[west ridge]

it doesnt feel

it is way tankier

[covert kestrel]

CODEX IS GOATEX

nevermind these haters and naysayers

i fucking love cones

[wintry solar]

No caps

[viscid perch]

Btw does anybody know why they could balance m+ in df s1 and now they just dont give a fk?

[hybrid crown]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-cones-of-dunshire-ben-wyatt-calzone-leslie-gif-16818915

[fallen knot]

but like, ok armor cause plate > mail

[reef forge]

bro sprinting 2 miles ahead to not drop kezan

[vivid vessel]

Just luck when that happens

At some point you are bound to rng a somewhat balanced season

[prisma sapphire]

Waiting for months or years to be meta again

That's life

[reef forge]

i'd be happy if we were just huge prio damage similar to arcane

[west ridge]

we are though

[viscid perch]

Or its not worth the money for them bec ppl are not rerolling

[reef forge]

atleast we would have a reason to be taken

[wintry solar]

I'd be happy to just be better in literally anything

[west ridge]

oh wait wrong spec channel nvm

[wintry solar]

The bar is not high atm

[prisma sapphire]

Give us coup bug back and keep BF broken

I would be happy

[wintry solar]

Hmmmm

I wonder what specifically would make me happy

Coup bug would be nice

[reef forge]

also has anyone ran a workshop since they fixed the safe zone thing?

how bad is it for us?

[patent mirage]

softcap

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[covert kestrel]

its not good!

[wintry solar]

Maybe

I'm trying to think long term

Soft or uncapped though yeah

[prisma sapphire]

If blizzard wants to make us mega happy, they'd make KS into a non-TP spell and fix this BF stuff or buff Fatebound and be done with the entire discussion

[patent mirage]

if you want to be realistic , it would be a softcap

[wintry solar]

It would be, yeah

Or they buff the shit out of PC

I mean absolutely beat it with a buff hammer

[reef forge]

or just make it built in, not even need it so we can 2fth

[prisma sapphire]

I dont really notice the dps issue severely except in meadery

I pulled 4.5m in priory and then 3.7m in meadery

[frail veldt]

It won't be uncap

[prisma sapphire]

And the pulls in meadery are so much more massive in the beginning

[frail veldt]

That would be dumb

[prisma sapphire]

So it made no sense to me until yesterday

[wintry solar]

I don't mind talenting out of ST into aoe. But talenting out ST into crumby aoe is omegalul

[glass mortar]

nah

talenting out of st for aoe is unholy dk bozos

u do 35m dps on a uncapped pull

u can give up some st

not my capped bozo spec

get my out of this pc hellscape

[wintry solar]

Well my thought process is if we're gonna be hardcapped, we might as well do the dmg to justify it in what targets we can hit.

Though I'd rather be soft capped

Which goes without saying

[glass mortar]

rather do bigly st its honestly a more abusable damage pattern then doing bit 5 target dam

look at arcane

arcane rn is like everything we wish we were

[cinder relic]

a burst spec?

[pearl trout]

that's the fun part, the fact we are not even good on our target cap

[glass mortar]

not big overall, big funnel, bit prio dam

i mean every spec is a burst spec

no i dont mean burst

the burst is obviously a boon but thats just every burst spec

im talking about it having meh aoe scaling but doing giga prio dam and deleting a guy in a pack/boss when u pull stuff onto it while not looking big on details

[cinder relic]

arcane is like, the burst spec

[fallen knot]

i dont like burst specs tbh

that is

why i hate sub

and i'd rather go learn and play dead aug

[wintry solar]

Only time I like playing sub is during shadow blades because I like the gameplay

[fickle mantle]

I see the vision

[wintry solar]

Everything else about sub blows

[vivid vessel]

Still does more overall than outlaw kekw

[fallen knot]

yes but imagine

[glass mortar]

sure

[fallen knot]

summoning a blood monster

that hits for 14m

every mob

it's like the king of prio damage

because it prios every single mob in the pack

[wintry solar]

That but bf

[fallen knot]

like what the fuck is this

what do you mean 14m hellooooooooooooo blizzard

[cinder relic]

Yep unholy is a bit overtuned in aoe

[sullen wyvern]

I've seen enough

bug fix CdG

[wintry solar]

They already did

[fallen knot]

but please blizzard if you're reading

dont nerf unholy it's fun now that i have my dk at 661 ilvl

[wintry solar]

Nerf unholy

[fallen knot]

no dont

[wintry solar]

Send these fotm rerollers to the pits

[sullen wyvern]

gut unholy to the ground

[vestal notch]

yes do

[fallen knot]

buff every other class

[sullen wyvern]

nah

I dont want every other spec to do what unholy does

that's not fun at all

[fallen knot]

it would actually be fun

[sullen wyvern]

a random proc that can put you to 20m+ in aoe is pretty stupid

[wintry solar]

Bro doesn't want people having fun

[fallen knot]

just go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr on every class

i would make every alt

[sullen wyvern]

I'm always pro buff stuff but UH is too much

[wintry solar]

Buff the other classes

[sullen wyvern]

They need to tone down blood beast's damage

[fallen knot]

just like people use every weapon in mh

let people do omega damage on every class

[wintry solar]

No everything needs to be within 5% of each other and no one stands out

[cinder relic]

I mean they generally don't kill classes a mid way thru a patch

Id suspect DK gets killed in 11.2

[glass mortar]

we are beyond the point of "its a dk season" i think ye

we go next

they dont like to massively shift the meta this late in a season

[fallen knot]

but

[vivid vessel]

You mean they refuse to do tuning when they still can

[fallen knot]

within 5%

[vivid vessel]

So then it's always too late

[fallen knot]

something will stand out

[sullen wyvern]

s1 was frostdk

s2 is UH dk

[fallen knot]

that is how meta is made

.1% pushing for r1

[vivid vessel]

It's not 5%

[sullen wyvern]

at least frost dk is fun with breath

[cinder relic]

If thats the way u wanna look at it zac, sure

[fallen knot]

using the best class

[vivid vessel]

No one would care of it was 5%

[fallen knot]

yes i know

[wintry solar]

He's talking about what I said

[vivid vessel]

It's literally how is it wdym

[fallen knot]

but if you made everything within 5%

[cinder relic]

Sure

[vivid vessel]

Every season they do the same

[fallen knot]

still there would be a meta

[cinder relic]

Yes, this is how they balance the video game

They have for years balanced the game this way

If you are expecting them to change after this long, you are legit just dumb

[vivid vessel]

Ye and for years everyone has complained

[vestal notch]

i mean since dk is op, they took a 2-3% nerf

[vivid vessel]

It's objectively trash

Ti always have specs

[vestal notch]

and now its probably too late to nerf without having to nerf dungeons

[fallen knot]

also

[vivid vessel]

That are legit 50% ahead of others

And nothing is done

[fallen knot]

uh dk is giga mid in raid

[vivid vessel]

For months

[fallen knot]

just saying

[vivid vessel]

They only tune around raid

[vestal notch]

so what we talking about keys

[sullen wyvern]

dont they ''''''''''balance'''''''''' after/during MDI usually?

[vivid vessel]

That is proven at least

[fallen knot]

i know

[sullen wyvern]

not for the MDI players but at retail realms

[vestal notch]

they always did

[vivid vessel]

Look at assa being the only rogue spec getting buff every season while being the best m+ spec by miles

Just cause it's less good in raid

[vestal notch]

but they said they were gonna tune around m+ more

instead of only around +10s

[vivid vessel]

No cause then it's too late

And people pushed too high

[novel socket]

as if blizz gives a shit about competitive integrity

[vestal notch]

they dont nerf before mdi to not fuck teams, they dont nerf in mdi bc its already tournament

[novel socket]

[vestal notch]

and after that is too late xd

[vivid vessel]

Don't forget they also don't nerf during rwf

[novel socket]

they do nerf during rwf

[vestal notch]

except outlaw on hc week

remember

[novel socket]

warriors got nuked season 1

because they were being stacked in nerub

[cinder relic]

More than just outlaw got nerfed on heroic week

[novel socket]

but its rare

[hidden bay]

have a nice vault na guys

[vivid vessel]

Hc week

[vestal notch]

i dont get why they dont host tournaments on a separate patch

[vivid vessel]

Wish we had hc week again

[vestal notch]

so they can still tune the game

[vivid vessel]

So they could do tuning

:)

[novel socket]

yeah true

hc week was nice

[glass mortar]

wasnt race over by the time they nuked fury warrior

maybe im misremembering

[cinder relic]

Yes

[glass mortar]

they generally dont like tuning unless something is straight broken (not working correctly) during race

100%

[cinder relic]

RWF was ended and they nerfed warrior afterwards

Followed by nerfing broodtwister

[novel socket]

hmm, i thought it was during the race

mb

[glass mortar]

ye it was def after

[cinder relic]

No because rwf played double fury on queen

[glass mortar]

and ye they had to neuter ovi too

anyway its true many specs get nerfed during herioc week

[novel socket]

but every season some spec is way way ahead from others

[glass mortar]

cant remember that many specs that get nerfed during hc week then need to get rebuffed past where they were nerfed from 2 weeks later

xd

[novel socket]

happened last season

[glass mortar]

they never learn how this spec works or

its a bit funny

[novel socket]

happens this season

[glass mortar]

idk

not like a big deal

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw every tier gg

[novel socket]

no way its not intentional

[vivid vessel]

It's not

They just fire their devs

[cinder relic]

How did it happen this season?

[vivid vessel]

Before they get to learn

[glass mortar]

dont victimize urself its not intentional u can point out the silly them being back at math

[unkempt nymph]

new to outlaw question, i'm playing HO build for mm+ (icy-veins), i've got 22% crit, 16% hast, 19%vers and 45% mastery, i'm 668 ilvl, pretty sure i'm missing something as i'm doing max 7/8M dps on pack

is there another build that perform better with those stat or should i just fam better stat equipement

[glass mortar]

nobody is going "fuk them outlaw rogues nerf them when they dont need it" tho

[vivid vessel]

It didn't, they forgot to have an hc week

[novel socket]

i wasn;'t talking about outlaw

[vivid vessel]

So nothing was tuned

[novel socket]

but in general balancing being so wacky

[vivid vessel]

Unlucko

[novel socket]

with certain specs being allowed to be way way way ahead of everything else

[vestal notch]

There has been balance tuning tho

[cinder relic]

I mean if they had heroic week, sub/outlaw would have been nerfed, just saying

[covert kestrel]

read all of #outlaw-faq

[novel socket]

and staying unchecked for entire season

[vestal notch]

just not enough imo

[cinder relic]

I'd say this tier, spec wise was fairly balanced

Ppl really overstated how good WW was

this tier was a lot about niches

Fights like stix, OAB, mugzee

[lime linden]

this season realistically almost every spec can do 95% of content

well

[vivid vessel]

Ye like every season

Stupid statement

[novel socket]

i personally dislike the design choice of "bring the class not the player"

[lime linden]

nah feels better this season but thanks

[novel socket]

that they went with in this tier

i hope they go back to the opposite

[vivid vessel]

You can boost people in 20s every season

[next wedge]

is eye of kezan good outside of raid like at all

[cinder relic]

ya u just want to avoid doing ready checks + countdowns before every pack in a dungeon

[fallen knot]

if you degen pull like zac does yes

[vivid vessel]

Msh

You don't need to be a psychopath

Just don't have a dk tank

[cinder relic]

I mean bleeding edge is always going to call for specs not players

[vivid vessel]

• we play trickster

[fallen knot]

yes but like

fire mage was omega during df s3 i think

[vestal notch]

Pugs will always tend to better specs even if they are only 1% ahead

[fallen knot]

but on high keys

[novel socket]

yeah but having to stack 4 chickens and 4 shadow priests in oab and styx pre nerfs

[cinder relic]

I don't think ppl last tier were saying "This tier is a bring the spec not the player" meanwhile ovinax was unkillable without DKs and warriors, same with queen, same with shit like silken court

[novel socket]

they overdid it

[vestal notch]

problem is when theres a clear outlier

[fallen knot]

on low keys it was shit

[vestal notch]

and they dont touch it

[fallen knot]

uh dk is omega in every key level

[vivid vessel]

Tbf guy

[frail veldt]

7/8M dps on a pack is fine how much more are you expecting?

[vivid vessel]

This was about m+

At first

Cause again they don't tune around m+

Raid is always mostly fine

[cinder relic]

what?

[vivid vessel]

• raid you. Have 20 spots

[cinder relic]

Nobody is talking about M+ now

[vivid vessel]

Conversation started with m+ tuning

I think this is still a tuning conversation

[unkempt nymph]

i mean, i'm not complaining, but as a sin main, i can do wayyyy more

[cinder relic]

Why would I care with how it started

[fallen knot]

yes i am indeed just yapping

[vivid vessel]

I mean

Whatever lol

[cinder relic]

Im responding to bird

[frail veldt]

yeup that will stay that way

[fallen knot]

while i wait my 2/8 pug to be filled up

[cinder relic]

Bird is specifically talking about the raid

[vivid vessel]

Ok

[frail veldt]

You can realistically get closer to 10m in aoe packs if you do your rotation very well

but youll never get to like 15mil like sin does

outlaw has a target cap

[stoic flicker]

man of course im gonna get ts on outlaw lol. do I just take jastor to roll on assa or is it decent on outlaw?

[frail veldt]

end of story

[fallen knot]

6days old uh dk going into mythic it's real good

[unkempt nymph]

hmm ok 😦 thank you

[vivid vessel]

Why is it doing less damage under target cap

Than sin

Weird

[novel socket]

how do you even tune around m+

[vivid vessel]

You tune

And don't have target capped specs

They don't even try

[novel socket]

but then people complain that every class is the same

[vivid vessel]

Maybe if they did

[next wedge]

or every spec is target capped

[vivid vessel]

Ye bro people are so mad when every spec can do aoe

In a content

[glass mortar]

they been pretty fast at fixing bosses this season at least, we got to strix like week 3? and u already could mostly do it without dotcleavers

[frail veldt]

for m+ you probably have to do an approach where you buff underperformers instead of nerfing strong specs but that can cause issues elsewhere

[vivid vessel]

Where the only thing

[glass mortar]

they had nerfed bombcrabs enough

[vivid vessel]

Is doing aoe

[wintry solar]

Aren't we starting to get that now?

[frail veldt]

m+ just isnt a priority for them

[vestal notch]

if they are going to insist on caps, then capped specs should be gods on those mob counts

[novel socket]

yeah

[frail veldt]

so they dont care

[novel socket]

i dont really get it

but people actually complain about it

[frail veldt]

well you would tune more around high count aoe damage

[vestal notch]

yet they said they were gonna tune around m+ more, not just weeklies

[frail veldt]

raid is tuned around low target cleave/st

its not that hard to get

im not saying they will do it

cuz its not a priority for them and I dont think they care how imbalanced m+ is

[cinder relic]

wow has always done seasonal balance. They don't really care if a spec is OP for a season

[novel socket]

ye it is like that

[wintry solar]

I'd argue they embraced it

[vestal notch]

but why

[frail veldt]

Yeah as of the last few xpacs wow follows the approach of "okay now its your turn" balancing haha

[cinder relic]

Sub was literally the biggest hero class of all time in amidrasil, it got 0 nerfs the entire season

[inner stump]

yep. look at SL s4

surv hunter and destro lock

[novel socket]

and yet nobody wanted to play sub

[next wedge]

i jusst wish they'd do some iterative updates on rogue

feels bad we havent had any dev attention all tier

[wintry solar]

Wdym

[cinder relic]

This comic was made before ppl in this discord were born and it's still relevant

[frail veldt]

I like the valve way

[novel socket]

i have played with all of those

valve way

is the best

[frail veldt]

100%

[novel socket]

by far

[frail veldt]

its not even close

[novel socket]

yeah

[vestal notch]

agreed

[wintry solar]

The valve way is bis

[next wedge]

like rework ks kekw

[cinder relic]

Because WoW is a game where you have to gear a character, and they probably don't want you to gear a character for 4 weeks, followed by it getting nerfed by 20%

It's not like league, where you just play draven if ashe is nerfed

U have to actually reinvest time into gearing a character

So they generally don't butcher specs mid season

[vestal notch]

well its the same as gearing a character for 4 weeks only to not be wanted in m+ isnt it

[cinder relic]

No because you can just pick a different spec

[lime linden]

they just need to give some of the neglected specs their seasonal moment

[cinder relic]

Press N go sin

But also, this is why they do buffs

and generally not nerfs

[tight kernel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[vestal notch]

these guys can also press n btw

[cinder relic]

?

If unholy DK is nerfed by 20% what happens to DK players

They are dogshit in raid

and now they are dogshit in keys

What are they pressing N to

The tank spec?

[glass mortar]

if ur a pure dps class with a spec thats not great ur probably among the lowest on the totem pole to see tuning

[novel socket]

dk is dogshit in raid ?

[cinder relic]

its p ass

[lime linden]

buff up is always the better way unless something is outright broken

[dense bolt]

thats why we need raid/m+ tuning like we have pve/pvp tuning

[novel socket]

pvp has what

[dense bolt]

separate tuning

?

[next wedge]

there is nothing a dk can do that you wouldnt just rather have another class that does more dmg

[wintry solar]

I like my seasons like 2009 mw2

[next wedge]

who tf pvps tho

[hybrid crown]

Restless blades 10% less effective in m+

[wintry solar]

No

[dense bolt]

i dont care how many pvps wasnt my point

should jsut divide different game modes when it comes to tuning

[novel socket]

too much work

[dense bolt]

more than it allready is

[novel socket]

they are busy making housing

no time for tuning

[vestal notch]

they can press n to frost or blood, same with hunters if mm gets nerfed and whatever. is not about nuking a spec with a 80% nerf, its about not having a spec being as dominant in m+

[lime linden]

m+ and raid tuning splits would be overly cubersome

[dense bolt]

thats not how that works tbh

[vestal notch]

there is no way you think im referring to a 20% nerf to uhdk

[next wedge]

i mean surely having different balance for different pve content would be confusing and unhealthy for the game

[wintry solar]

You go hit the target dummy and see how a 20% restless blades nerf feels and you tell me if you want that shit in M+ but not raid

[still matrix]

do we get tuning tonight?

no shot

[wintry solar]

It's so ass

[lime linden]

id really love a 1 sec delay on mobs despawning when you vanish....

[cinder relic]

The devs also genreally don't like when the games feel dramatically different in other forms of content. Like if BF does different % damages in M+ vs raid it just doesn't feel right

[vestal notch]

even then, theres 100% a way to nerf uhdk aoe dmg and compensating for raid

[fickle mantle]

Don't they kinda do that tho? Like certain healing spells being more effective in non raids

[cinder relic]

Frost is dogshit bruv

[novel socket]

didn't they announced that hof will close next week ?

that's when we get tuning

most likely

if we get any

[dense bolt]

i mean you have the same issue for those who pvp and pve with resless blades no?

[upbeat tundra]

in keys?

[runic bough]

I dont care what all you say, KiR doing full bf dmg is still fun even tho the dmg still not up to other specs. I will be playing no killingspree once again baby

[vestal notch]

yeah it is

[cinder relic]

Yes but PvP and PvE is different. Dungeons and Raid are both PvE

[next wedge]

the reason i dont pvp is because shit feels so diffferent there and it's such a high barrier to entr because of it

[frail veldt]

is the deft buff live?

I think that is like a 1.5% damage buff to kir?

[glass mortar]

me when kir gets a 2% damage buff from deft bugfix but still needs to play around GM

[runic bough]

Yeah I was doing keys last night before reset

[viscid perch]

Yet they let unholy and balance do 20-30% more overall in keys

[worldly compass]

Guy is arguing with 20 brick walls pray for him

[glass mortar]

lmk when they fix gm

[frail veldt]

fatebound is still 15% behind trickster in dslice though right?

[next wedge]

i dont want m+ player being unable to raid because their character just plays different in them

[dense bolt]

yea agree, idk i just personally would like to see what they could do with different tuning for m+ and raid and see how it feels

[glass mortar]

also trickster also gets the deft bugfix so it doesnt change anything about trickster vs fatebound

[runic bough]

I was doing 5mil aoe as usual instead of 2-3mil so something was hotfixed

[next wedge]

whats GM

[glass mortar]

good morning how r u

[wintry solar]

Grand melee

[glass mortar]

(grand melee)

[next wedge]

oh yea

[frail veldt]

RB got nerfed super hard in pvp

[next wedge]

snapshotting kekw

[frail veldt]

outlaw is mega dead rn

[reef forge]

i mean is the gm bug affecting us? even if they fix it kir will be in the same spot

[glass mortar]

i mean u recast Bf nearly on cd as kir

and u will not have 100% GM uptime

so yes it is impacting you

[reef forge]

yeah but if they fix the bug then it won't change anything for kir

[cinder relic]

Yes but thats because of how the dungeons work vs raid works, not because theres a 20% aura buff to unholy DK or bloodbeast damage

[reef forge]

only for ho

[glass mortar]

nah itll just go back to playing normally

playing around it is cringe

[last scarab]

anyone have Bf gm aura?

[glass mortar]

thats what im saying

[cinder relic]

fr man

[reef forge]

oh yeah if you are playing around it then it will change i guess

[runic bough]

Is there any patch notes on outlaw hotfixes yet tho

[dense bolt]

idk how i was a brick wall when i agreed xd

[runic bough]

[frail veldt]

yeah but its not like it would be impossible to bring uh more inline with other specs without completely breaking raid balance

[cinder relic]

Well it's not just u I'm talking to rn :p

[vestal notch]

and why is it that hard for blizzard to nerf it and compensate for raid

[worldly compass]

Why can't Blizzard just perfectly balance the game for all forms of content all the time? Fire the dev team

[cinder relic]

well thats what they did with the changed to balance and udk a few weeks ago, no?

They nerfed starfall and buffed starsurge..?

[vestal notch]

it was a overall buff in keys tho?

for boomie

[vivid vessel]

No way we got another contrarian in here

[next wedge]

i thought i'd like playing feral but it feels like sin and i dont like isn

[vivid vessel]

Buddy gonna argue blizzard tuning is good

[frail veldt]

At the end of the day your few options for why m+ balance is the way it is are:

1. They are fine with it being this way
2. They want to fix it but its lower priority than other work
3. They dont understand the issue and aren't capable of fixing it

[vestal notch]

and uhdk got a 2% overall nerf

[wintry solar]

Sometimes I wonder how different the game would be if blizz took forum feedback to heart

[frail veldt]

I am assuming its most likely 1 or 2

[lime linden]

you dont want some of that forum feedback to be listened too lol

[next wedge]

forum feedback is the most unhinged shit

[runic bough]

I want to learn sin just for m+ honestly. Even once outlaw is bug fixed its not going to have the dmg as sin.

[glass mortar]

my assumption is simply this game has always been priority focused on raiding, any tuning you do can have ramifications for other content in the game and they want to tune for raid much more carefully then they do for m+

[cinder relic]

Nobody is arguing blizzard balance is perfect

I never have and I never will

[glass mortar]

so most of the tuning changes we end up getting are skewed towards raid

its not complicated

[next wedge]

i think uncapped outlaw would be problematic tbh

[wintry solar]

Forum feedback is great wdym?

[next wedge]

most uncapped classes do mega dmg with cds

[frail veldt]

I think thats not a valid argument though cuz its definitely possible to tune both even if you wan to prioritize raid

[cinder relic]

But for a lot of people explaining and understanding things works, means you are defending it in full

[next wedge]

outlaw doesnt have nay cds

[frail veldt]

Unless you consider that option 3. They dont understand the issue and aren't capable of fixing it

[runic bough]

You are overthinking it. Outlaw has worst aoe in game.

[vestal notch]

ive been here enough to know guy doesnt think blizzard tuning is perfect

[frail veldt]

no ryu

uncapped would be dumb

softcapped would be good

you dont want uncapped

[glass mortar]

nobody is arguing for uncapped aoe

[frail veldt]

ryu is apparently

[wintry solar]

Uncapped would be dumb yeah

However

[frail veldt]

or he doesnt understand the terminology

[lime linden]

i dk why they have low target hardcapped anymore

[glass mortar]

or anyone saying it means softcapped and they just never played the game when true uncapped aoe existed

[wintry solar]

Uncapped and buffed is based and cool

[glass mortar]

there is so few real uncapped aoes in the game now a day

[runic bough]

Umm I'm not arguing anything

[vestal notch]

but one thing is to not have perfect balance, and other is to balance around 1 game mode and ignoring the other one

[lime linden]

sqrt or soft cap or something, feels bad for fury outlaw WW etc

[worldly compass]

Every class has like 30 tuning levers, it's not easy to just "buff the class" without having unintended consequences

[covert kestrel]

we all could use a little more squirt in our lives

[vivid vessel]

So instead they just do nothing

[glass mortar]

well wdym they dont do nothing

they tune around raid

[runic bough]

If they just gave outlaw normal aoe or buff their capped aoe nobody would be saying anything just pick one.

[frail veldt]

I really think it is for a lot of specs

[wintry solar]

The interns get intimidated

[glass mortar]

it has downwind ramifications for m+ but 🤷

[worldly compass]

yeah they have done 0 balance patches all tier lazy blizzard 🤬

[frail veldt]

10+ mob aoe is SO different from damage breakdown in ST/low cleave

[next wedge]

just make all the classes i play really op and fun and all the other classes should suck

[lime linden]

on a scale of 1-10 how bad is the tuning lol

[frank finch]

whats the site to look for boe prices on other servers?

[next wedge]

perfect balance

[frail veldt]

you can bring down mass aoe damage and keep ST/cleave nearly untouched

[dense bolt]

wowpay2win

[vivid vessel]

Was there even a single m+ tuning pass this tier lol

[wintry solar]

This guy gets it

[glass mortar]

i mean unholy dk got a tiny pp tap

thats arguably a m+ change since they werent exactly op in raid

[vivid vessel]

2*% I heard

[glass mortar]

boomy someone might argue is a m+ change

i dont agree since it was a net dungeon dps buff

maybe blizzard is just bad at math tho

pretty sure that one was raid angled

[vivid vessel]

Ye Boomie got buffed nice

While being bis m+

Surely this was a m+ change

[glass mortar]

sin got like 2 or 3 buffs

while being arguably the best rogue spec in m+ by quite a bit

[vivid vessel]

St for raid

[glass mortar]

now it is inarguably the best m+ spec

so that could be a m+ tuning

technically

[vivid vessel]

That just made them better in m+ while they already were the best rogue spec in m+

I'm still waiting for a m+ tuning pass

Black is typing

Surely he found one

[glass mortar]

idk is it not a common opinion that blizzard barely tunes around m+?

its just the way they are

[worldly compass]

What exactly do you want? For every spec to be playable at the highest level keys all the time? 90% of keys you can play any spec you want, it's not until you are really pushing keys that balance is even remotely relevant and there will always be a "best comp"

[runic bough]

Meta specs will continue to get buffs, that's normal.

[vestal notch]

and thats what we are complaining about

[lime linden]

i hate the energy starving periods of sin in ST, feels like im just sitting there doing nothing

[vivid vessel]

nah you stupid as hell bruv

cba

[worldly compass]

lmao Zac being Zac

brick wall no. 21

[lime linden]

if it cant do a 20 its shit

[vivid vessel]

i dont like talking to contrarians that argue just to argue

random ass

[worldly compass]

"What do you want?"
"you are stupid"

[cinder relic]

Shut the fuck up man

[worldly compass]

good discussion

[vivid vessel]

we said 10 times it wouldnt even remotely be the same discussion if the specs were withing 5% instead of fucking 50%

[worldly compass]

Why can't France be having blackouts

[wintry solar]

Blizzard is tearing us apart

[vivid vessel]

yet you still say that

and imthe brick wall

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-on-its-wednesday-dont-forget-to-be-yourself-jerma-jerma985-gif-756666694981293606

[runic bough]

Zac and wox can only play outlaw in high keys because they are pro. Normally people don't take outlaw in them because our aoe sucks. Asking for aoe makes him a brick wall?

[quartz imp]

He’s a bricked up wall

[vivid vessel]

cba with people that cant read words

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/fentuesday-gif-12003533653463207434

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

Gl with vault

[runic bough]

Are servers up yet

[lime linden]

been up for a bit

[wintry solar]

Is it? Idk

[frank finch]

long time ago

[glass mortar]

wtf no vault pics

dead spec????

[runic bough]

I sacrifice all my sleep to get 3 slots better be good

[glass mortar]

wheres my outlaw vaults

[lime linden]

myth shoulders woo

[wintry solar]

I should check my vault but my bed is so comfy

[worldly compass]

why can't Blizzard just balance around 0.01% of the playerbase? idiot devs should cater to me and me only 😭

[novel socket]

who else do they have to balance for ?

[upbeat tundra]

should they balance around the shitters?

[wintry solar]

No they should cater to ME and ME only

Not yall

[lime linden]

only the .1% matter

[novel socket]

the people that farm tiers from 2 expansions ago ?

[lime linden]

in wow and in life

[upbeat tundra]

balance around the world questers

[novel socket]

for mogs

lol

[wintry solar]

Rip outlaw

[worldly compass]

Outlaw is unplyable in keys above 2s got it

[vivid vessel]

its always the same arguments with people like you, "But blizzard cant tune perfectly, there will always be a meta", stfu bro we are just asking for more tuning than once a tier, how is there specs doing 50% if not more damage than others and its fine because "tuning can never be perfect"

[worldly compass]

nobody has timed a key on Outlaw ever got it

[runic bough]

Blacktimus is annoying can a mod mute him

[frank finch]

whoa

[shy meteor]

[frank finch]

[worldly compass]

Pretty sure mods are more likely to time out ppl throwing insults but go off king!

[frail veldt]

You can always overcome spec balance differences with skill so every spec is "viable" in theory well through the 95th percentile of keys but I think what feels bad just as a player is when other specs do double(or more) your dps in aoe. I think big aoe has a bit of a problem in wow in part because blizzard makes it challenging to set those scenarios up so most players arent necessarily interfacing with big pulls. Also that damage profile is only relevant in parts of m+ content so it gets very little attention.

[upbeat tundra]

we can hit 8 targets, even the dead ones apparently, while unholy can assemble a nuclear missile over and over that hits them all

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-ksi-thick-of-it-mods-discord-mod-gif-2830572923502966674

[covert kestrel]

i got a mythic whistle from my one outlaw key this week