It's literally our only last niche we have
#outlaw
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
But also I legit do the same damage on 2 targets with and without pc so idk
Maybe the fact we need to give up st
To gain low target cleave damage
Doesn't make sense
Who am I to question that tho
I'm clueless
gaunt phoenix
i dont really mind ST vs aoe choices in theory
but precise cuts is awkward enough to make it awkward
i could see the end result being a ghostly nerf in 12.0
vivid vessel
i dont really mind ST vs aoe choices in theory
but precise cuts is awkward eno...
I do mind it
When for the longest time
It was basically the only thing that made us good in m+
Outlaw has never been good in AOE
Even in S3 df
Idk if you remember
It was like
Prio damage and boss damage master or whatever
Now we lose like 10% st to get our AOE talents
Idk
All of that to be bad at everything anyway
hasty warren
yo
vivid vessel
And our best talent, provide a niche that isn't a real niche, and that is made worse by the fact you need to drop st for it
Like am I really gaining 2 target damage when I lose st for it
Not as much as I should
Also I hate GS
Fucking debuff man
Free me from target swapping prison
brave lagoon
Agreed
loud wing
They should either uncap BF or make outlaw a funnel machine, like the melee version of arcane
Legit in no man's land niche wise
vivid vessel
Assa
Lol
People forget
They gave sin bf
Then uncapped AOE
Then funnel
Everything
tulip jewel
burst xd
timber knoll
literally give outlaw execute and you could keep the rest of the spec the way it is more or less and it would be a giga improvement and have a reason to take it in raid
lone crow
i thought it was targeted at keys
nerf came after ppl stacked outlaw on kurog in s1 df no?
i rmb the nerf was raid related
vivid vessel
No you look it up for me bozo
lone crow
no fk u
vivid vessel
???
lone crow
!!!!
vivid vessel
Imagine outlaw is good on one boss in 5 years
lone crow
insta nerf
vivid vessel
Not even an endboss mind you
lone crow
vivid vessel
And it get insta nerfed
Mage is stacked 3/4 x per tier
No one cares
Gg
I remember by the time I got to the later bosses that tier outlaw was already not the rogue choice anymore
It might have been the rogue spec for like 1 week no capo
lone crow
ye
tulip jewel
still no capo? unluckers
red zinc
oh
Yeah was trying to think of stuff they deleted
Was db in the first iteration of df talents i dont remember
lone crow
it was
vivid vessel
It's crazy how much greedier you have to be as outlaw now that acro is gonne
Made the spec legit unapproachable
For normal people
lusty sparrow
Was the extra range really that big of a deal
lone crow
yes?
vivid vessel
It was lol
lusty sparrow
No need for sarcasm small fry I didn't play when it was in
lusty sparrow
How about a kiss to calm you down babe
I did play before they gave bf the old acro range so that's the extent of my experience
lusty sparrow
It was briefly
vivid vessel
I don't think I played much in s4
lone crow
How about a kiss to calm you down babe
lusty sparrow
I only played in s4 til all my guild got fyrakk mounts
nova blaze
moin, gibt es ne möglichkeit flawles maneuver zu tracken? finden den buff in weakaura nicht
shut matrix
flawless form? that'll be 441326
nova blaze
thanks
lone crow
Auf vidersin
vivid vessel
*wiedersehen😁
Close enough
gaunt phoenix
i don't speak german but i can if you like
lone crow
I don't see you talking french much
j'aime les cuisses de grenouilles
exotic grail
Nearly there
exotic grail
You Need the ä
vivid vessel
I had the sound at least
exotic grail
True
slate plaza
Tu es un pomme de terre
💀
red zinc
zac is a oelewapper
gaunt phoenix
the world is healing
gaunt phoenix
will be fixed today !
red zinc
tomorro 
timid idol
bf fix status?
gaunt phoenix
just deft so far
vivid vessel
Yes
glass mortar
zac i think ur wrong
exotic grail
So it „just“ need a wowhead article for things to get fixed. When will the next article come out with the Rest do the 2584 bugs?😂
vivid vessel
What
timid idol
vivid vessel
Wdym
glass mortar
could u imagine how far back from the packs ud teleport
timid idol
i tried sin last night before going to sleep
glass mortar
if u had acro
timid idol
its rogue but
red zinc
try melee rogue
timid idol
i will say that the aoe rupture thing they got is fun but
its still not as fun as outlaw
red zinc
top spec rn according to warcraft logs
timid idol
also crimson tempest has such a lame visual and sfx
probably lamest aoe in the game
take me back to bfa
slate plaza
When do we think they fixing our bugs
timid idol
after they fix mage and druid bugs
exotic grail
When do we think they fixing our bugs
Its just one wowhead article away apparently
gaunt phoenix
When do we think they fixing our bugs
They're working it
daring oxide
Aye
glass mortar
ye idk if it would actually effect the teleport distance, funny to think about tho
daring oxide
So @vivid vessel @gaunt phoenix with the deft fix are we back to using it again?
glass mortar
i love when my tank doesnt stack up a pack of mobs correctly so i press kspree and do half the damage i should for 3s
gaunt phoenix
Yes
glass mortar
vivid vessel
So <@352916297262301194> <@921608341048930304> with the deft fix are we back to ...
No cause now
red zinc
I do still think its nuts that this bug existed for 2 years
vivid vessel
You have the gm bug
daring oxide
Thank you both for raising the issue
red zinc
And we gaslit ourselves into thinking it wasnt real
daring oxide
And getting it seen
red zinc
daring oxide
Love you both xxxxxxxx
daring oxide
I do still think its nuts that this bug existed for 2 years
I was being gaslit for two years into thinking I was wrong about my BF concerns!!!
red zinc
calm down
vivid vessel
I was being gaslit for two years into thinking I was wrong about my BF concerns!...
who did this 
vivid vessel
Damage isn’t bad already
daring oxide
who did this <:ReallyMad:930908505890770954>
@red zinc did
vivid vessel
bro people that only do 10s and dont realize how bad outlaw is
red zinc
we need compensatory nerfs for the damage increase from bug fixes
vivid vessel
there is no concept of meta in low keys
red zinc
Just like the compensatory buffs we got for double coup
slate plaza
bro people that only do 10s and dont realize how bad outlaw is
I’m pushing 13’s and getting into 14’s
red zinc
Real
daring oxide
bro people that only do 10s and dont realize how bad outlaw is
I mostly only do weeklies these days and I know how bad outlaw is don’t worry
slate plaza
Still not the highest but better than 10’s
gaunt phoenix
deft kinda does megafuck damage at 8 target as it should
so hope they fix gm soon
vivid vessel
I mostly only do weeklies these days and I know how bad outlaw is don’t worry
yet you do like 20 % more damage than anyone in these keys
daring oxide
Mega fuck damage?
slate plaza
deft kinda does megafuck damage at 8 target as it should
so hope they fix gm so...
As in good?
late swallow
gm 
vivid vessel
its so stupid to look at these key level
red zinc
deft kinda does megafuck damage at 8 target as it should
so hope they fix gm so...
free sex
vivid vessel
to determine whats good
slate plaza
You think ho will run deft
gaunt phoenix
No
daring oxide
yet you do like 20 % more damage than anyone in these keys
Yeah low key levels aren’t a good dataset to showcase outlaws weaknesses things die too fast
slate plaza
Too restricting on talent tree
daring oxide
And generally not real plus
gaunt phoenix
HO can consider deft for funsies
daring oxide
Pulls
slate plaza
Kir will get five big booms when bugs fixed because deft
tulip jewel
infinite cp
vivid vessel
wait till you cant press bf out of gm
red zinc
outlow will only ever be considered if st is very good (which in turn makes aoe better sure but w/e)
daring oxide
Now uncap blade flurry for quick and simple fix to BF issues!!!
gaunt phoenix
if they fix gm i will probably go KIR again
tulip jewel
wait till you cant press bf out of gm
feels terrible
daring oxide
if they fix gm i will probably go KIR again
Why?
tulip jewel
more GM uptime feels great
daring oxide
Oh cos if deft
tulip jewel
don't have to pick between gs/cto/pc can get all 3
slate plaza
Now uncap blade flurry for quick and simple fix to BF issues!!!
Uncap bte in subterfuge makes the most sense to me
It would be bonkers
And fun
timid idol
remove all hard caps, they have no reason to exist on any spec
vivid vessel
outlow will only ever be considered if st is very good (which in turn makes aoe ...
you can you can just
buff bf?
tulip jewel
having all 3 cto/gs/pc makes up for things in a few scenarios
daring oxide
Maybe the GM bug is intentional
red zinc
about to start doing 150% damage to surrounding mobs
daring oxide
So it makes outlaw more complex
red zinc
gaunt phoenix
what no
exotic grail
What was it in BfA? BF dealing 90% of our dmg?
daring oxide
What was it in BfA? BF dealing 90% of our dmg?
Uncapped infinite divine
vivid vessel
about to start doing 150% damage to surrounding mobs
so what
red zinc
so what so what
gaunt phoenix
in BFA blade flurry went from like 30% to 50% to 45% to 30%
red zinc
You know how dog water our st will have to be for them to allow that in raid
daring oxide
We need a new ability called blunderbuss, a shotgun cone version of BTE that has no cap
vivid vessel
You know how dog water our st will have to be for them to allow that in raid
Ah ye the infinite problem
timid idol
What was it in BfA? BF dealing 90% of our dmg?
dont mention bfa anymore
im going to cry
jolly geyser
We need a new ability called blunderbuss, a shotgun cone version of BTE that has...
Bte is a blunderbussy icon
vivid vessel
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT RAID TUNING ITS IRRELEVANT AFTER PROG EVERYONE CAN PLAY ANYTHING
LET ME PLAY M+
timid idol
when was the last time greenskin was ever picked btw
vivid vessel
DISOCIATE M+ QND RAID TUNING
leaden folio
outlaw never pick on progress anyway
vivid vessel
when was the last time greenskin was ever picked btw
Why does everyone jerk off on gsw
exotic grail
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT RAID TUNING ITS IRRELEVANT AFTER PROG EVERYONE CAN PLAY ANYT...
That should ne seperate instances like Raid/PvP Tuning
timid idol
Why does everyone jerk off on gsw
i aint jerking it im just curious cause i never see it played altho i don't play every single season
vivid vessel
Ye good question
jolly geyser
gsw should actually give your character green skin
Become hulk
timid idol
if its barely ever picked and its not really fun either
vivid vessel
They were out of ideas
red zinc
tornado trigger my beloved
timid idol
is that the shadowlands last season thing?
tranquil hemlock
what would that be called
timid idol
that filled ur entire bar with a pistol shot?
tranquil hemlock
blade flurries
timid idol
OHH that one
jolly geyser
Flint and steel talent
red zinc
But the bte part never made it
timid idol
red zinc
would make perfect sense to put it under fth all im sayin
late swallow
GSW tierset when?
tranquil hemlock
Next 4p is ks tp removal
late swallow
Next 4p is ks tp removal
our melee attacks have a 1% chance of uncapping BF for the next 1 second
tranquil hemlock
lmao
red zinc
banger
slate plaza
Remember when we ysed to spread bte 💀
daring oxide
@reals any chance we can get rogue hotfixes un-stealthed for patch notes please, it’s cute to rogue role play but would love the clarity on anything that happens behind the scenes please 🙏
red zinc
shoutout reals
daring oxide
Otherwise we have to play Dora the explorer every week to figure out if our bug forest has been trimmed down a bit ya know
Quite exhausting if ya ask me
vapid blaze
does the trickster blade flurry buff also snapshot?
or do u lose bf when you respec
daring oxide
Don’t be getting any ideas
vapid blaze
well u wouldbt need killingapree anymore :p
but cant drop bf once 😦
daring oxide
Well you can’t trigger flawless form as fatebound
So not sure how you are gonna make it work
Nimble flurry only works during flawless form
vapid blaze
yeah but does that snapshot too?
tulip jewel
Otherwise we have to play Dora the explorer every week to figure out if our bug ...
it's time to mow the bug lawn
timber knoll
They were out of ideas
valid response to the entirety of rogue design
desert tendon
Yea xD
daring oxide
yeah but does that snapshot too?
i dunno tbh
but its almost impossible to have BF up 100% from start of dungeon as HO fatebound
daring oxide
I think next week outlaw rework incoming
realz always makes an appearance right before something significant happens to outlaw
midnight ridge
he was here?
daring oxide
I've just meticulously analysed previous interactions with Realz and its always right before outlaw changes
daring oxide
he was here?
he was last night, search from: .realz in search bar
frank finch
hollow temple
he was here?
mighty pivot
Outlaw gets blood beasts next week, named pirate mateys to be thematic
daring oxide
killing spree could be us summoning in two pirate mates doing the killing spree for us
like secret technique
hollow temple
secret technique is krangled af
daring oxide
what does krangled mean
mighty pivot
So it won't work on first boss of rookery
daring oxide
So it won't work on first boss of rookery
why wouldnt it
void canopy
Outlaw gets blood beasts next week, named pirate mateys to be thematic
mugzee hotline?
mighty pivot
It doesn't hit when the boss is in the middle
daring oxide
it does hit
you just have to use cloak to avoid stun
when boss goes to middle
you teleport to it
patent mirage
maybe we have sinned so realz decided we are not worthy
daring oxide
nah
realz has been given more capacity to come back to his outlaw brothers and sisters
mighty pivot
Are we still talking about secret technique
patent mirage
and absolve us
daring oxide
to cut down our bug amazon
and all the extra timber is converted into fun and happiness
and hopefully more dps 🙂
daring oxide
i dont care about dps right now
fixes to bugs to make it feel better is key
hopefully plus killing spree rework and resolving cap issues 🙂
other than those things
outlaw is pretty sick and the best spec in game right now in terms of fun
but also the most buggy
late swallow
patent mirage
haste give dmg with adr k
late swallow
reddit comments are so good
vapid blaze
i dunno tbh
it does infact not snapshot
patent mirage
they all pale before the community of mmo champion
potent latch
what sucks is the lack of transparency about outlaw
honestly, if realz just said 'hey, we know killing spree sucks and we’re working on a fix' my dopamine would spike
tropic zephyr
Tbf it's about pretty much all part of the games that this is this way
vestal notch
But then he would be expected to fix ks rather quickly, and if he doesnt for whatever reason, community will hung him.for not delivering
No developer is going to be around makint promises about what hes going to improve or rework
vapid blaze
just hope they announce what they fix
vestal notch
Yes, there was 0 reason to not put the half fix on blue post
inner stump
honestly, if realz just said 'hey, we know killing spree sucks and we’re working...
there is a suggested fix on wow forums, pretty simple and effective one
but it's too good, blizzard cant do that
potent latch
Tbf it's about pretty much all part of the games that this is this way
true but it seems like other aspects of the game get more attention than outlaw
vestal notch
lets be real if we were mages hero talents would have been reworked back in alpha
patent mirage
blizz " i forgot something "
"rogue standing in the rain "
" cant be important "
vapid blaze
wait i didnt realize there were alrdy changes
potent latch
But then he would be expected to fix ks rather quickly, and if he doesnt for wha...
it's less about the promises and more about the acknowledgment
mighty pivot
but it's too good, blizzard cant do that
They just like the teleport aspect for some reason, despite the ability being dog ever since its inception due to the teleport
patent mirage
the problem is
inner stump
literally make the animation stay in place, thats all we need
patent mirage
ks has been mainly the same since the last patch of tbc
let that skin in
at least they could make it so you aoe shoot during it
you could cast fok during ks at first
safe pasture
yall just gota start using KS anytime there is a swirly or line on you, let the other classes complain till its fixed big brain
mighty pivot
15 years later and the ability still kills the caster 
patent mirage
exactly
patent mirage
they removed the immunity cuz pvp
civic void
honestly, if realz just said 'hey, we know killing spree sucks and we’re working...
Well he kinda said it but it has been ages so idk about the dopamine burst
patent mirage
there was no restless blades in tbc
glass mortar
but ig what u mean
this is absolutely a BC ass spell
but it goes along with the bc target cap
and bc haste tax
we got that classic design in outlaw rn
inner stump
I love that they just added a haste tax just so we cant stack crit+vers
magic shuttle
Ks while leveling in cata feels like a pretty different spell than the current version
inner stump
absolute amazing design
daring oxide
No developer is going to be around makint promises about what hes going to impro...
did you see what happened recently with the puzzling coins? obviously all the casuals went into a meltdown cos they cant get their free candies for playing idle simulator anymore
patent mirage
haste should affect the chance for ss to hit twice
daring oxide
cos of poor communication
patent mirage
and make adr give dmg with haste
vestal notch
dinar thing has nothing to do with class design tho
inner stump
nah fam, best we can do is fuck with adr to need haste, otherwise it's dog shit
daring oxide
dinar thing has nothing to do with class design tho
maybe not but its similar kind of communication
vestal notch
ofc they should have communicated better what dinars would be
daring oxide
lack of communication
we've already had a hint about killing spree being on some kind of radar
but it was a long time ago
but im sure its a WIP
patent mirage
is it now
patent mirage
are we going to have another df s3
hybrid crown
I am having as much fun with outlaw as df season 3, setting aside dying to ks unfortunately
inner stump
but im sure its a WIP
I mean, they could deliver a simple fix for now
hybrid crown
Like KS is fun when you don't die to it
inner stump
while they rework ks
mighty pivot
If it's too long ago it might've been scrapped
inner stump
it's so dumb as well, just remove the teleport of ks, we can use it freely
hybrid crown
If they fix KS like the wox video I would say trickster HO is more fun than DF outlaw
daring oxide
I mean, they could deliver a simple fix for now
only woxtoxic was able to pull it off via one line of code
tight kernel
We fixed yet?
inner stump
only woxtoxic was able to pull it off via one line of code
weird that devs cant do that
patent mirage
imagine ks was some bte casts
lethal relic
KS needs to be a spectral version of yourself that does it's thing while you don't lose control of your character to avoid big swirlies
patent mirage
KS needs to be a spectral version of yourself that does it's thing while you don...
we had that b4
inner stump
make killing spree be Cannon barrage
patent mirage
fire x times depending on cps used
inner stump
a big ship just comes out of nowhere, shoots a bunch of cannon balls
goes away
end of story
patent mirage
cannister shot?
daring oxide
the dream
mighty pivot
Outlaw gets High Noon
patent mirage
hits target and does aoe dmg around the main target hit
daring oxide
imagine having our own ghostly pirate AC-130 anywhere we go on a 20second cd:
daring oxide
tranquil hemlock
give outlaw doom
daring oxide
give outlaw 4 arms like general grevious
tranquil hemlock
just make outlaw use an ak
daring oxide
and the extra 2 arms are just OGCD actions we weave between every gcd
daring oxide
i already have 4 weapons everyday for some reason visually
patent mirage
gsw : when your ps half cost shots crit , it does a ricochette
daring oxide
but i only use 2 weapons
tulip jewel
spree gives you 30 yard range for 10s on a 90s cd
hybrid crown
Outlaw becomes SI7/call of duty guy
tranquil hemlock
lmao
jolly geyser
give all outlaw players scurvy
hybrid crown
That would actually be kinda sick
daring oxide
give all outlaw players scurvy
now why would u wish this upon us
patent mirage
idk if anyone else remembers legion version of blunderbuss
it was different than sl
hybrid crown
Even more reason to make a n mlg/360 no scope weak aura for bte
patent mirage
legion blunderbuss could be ks
inner stump
and do a big shot
pearl trout
rework Outlaw and give us a parrot pet
patent mirage
we have one already
mighty pivot
Give outlaw thigh highs and cat ears
tranquil hemlock
🤨
daring oxide
you know what would be insanely cool,
If we had blunderbuss ability, which is a huge shotgun that knocks us back, and then we can follow it up with a charge style ability like Blade Rush to do massive aoe/st damage upon charging back in
inner stump
btd6
tranquil hemlock
or
inner stump
just make us bucanner monke
tranquil hemlock
martin's fury
tulip jewel
add an animation and gcd lock to coup imo
daring oxide
for his bug fixes this week
safe pasture
make gcd 0.5
tulip jewel
triple coup tech
hybrid crown
I am too dumb to make it but I want someone to make an aura that
1: 360 turn when you press bte
2: does the cod hit X thingy on the center of your screen and sound
3: each ace proc you get in a row shows a new 2012 mlg meme and plays that ohhhhhhh sound
potent latch
we have one already
we also got the ship
pearl trout
you know what would be insanely cool,
If we had blunderbuss ability, which is a...
Hunters had something like this in Pandaria I remember, just the big shot part and knocking enemies instead of the player
daring oxide
Hunters had something like this in Pandaria I remember, just the big shot part a...
they have it
but i was thinking more akin to a combo series of abilities
patent mirage
no need for knockback
tranquil hemlock
make it so every time you use a combo point, it give one combo point
daring oxide
you press blunderbuss, and blade rush becomes active right after
patent mirage
just a grape shot
inner stump
triple coup tech
triple coup + 6 permanent buffs + uncap bf
daring oxide
to use as a follow up ability
jolly geyser
make sinister strike the button you have to press next, 1 button spec
patent mirage
legion blunderbuss was it
jolly geyser
vivid vessel
you know what would be insanely cool,
If we had blunderbuss ability, which is a...
You want another ability that self cc you? Are you dumb, have we not learned anything
Can we stop
daring oxide
You want another ability that self cc you? Are you dumb, have we not learned any...
i am dumb ugabuga
safe pasture
we already have KS
jolly geyser
the instance
inner stump
make KS transform us into a parrot, so we can fly and shit on enemies
daring oxide
pls give button that kill
we have one, called killing spree, try using it on mugzee during mines or sprocket during colours
tulip jewel
You want another ability that self cc you? Are you dumb, have we not learned any...
animation lock gcd lock coup but it does double take it or leave it, you choose
jolly geyser
that was imposter
daring oxide
to get world first gallywix mythic
tranquil hemlock
fake rextroy ye
frank finch
I’m waiting for Zac to stream to see new deft in action
desert tendon
it was me :)
frank finch
tulip jewel
are there any happy blizzard enployees?
daring oxide
yes
desert tendon
i m most wondering
daring oxide
i think they are all happy
tulip jewel
rofl
proven ocean
I’m waiting for Zac to stream to see new deft in action
Like what? Press bf and afk rest of the keys
desert tendon
zeross
inner stump
is there any blizzard employees
only AI
tranquil hemlock
frank finch
mighty pivot
They read ravenholdt daily for entertainment
desert tendon
is he lost or what
tulip jewel
They read ravenholdt daily for entertainment
the outlaw chat is probably on a tv in their break room for entertainment
daring oxide
did anyone watch black mirror recently?
and watch the USS Callister Infinity episode
tulip jewel
they think spree is gonna get changed hehehehe
safe pasture
did anyone watch black mirror recently?
that episode suc
safe pasture
well relatively not like unwatchable
inner stump
nono, we buff mages
tulip jewel
they’re focusing on creating more rogue bugs
tranquil hemlock
ahhh mage thats the one
tulip jewel
they’re focusing on creating more rogue bugs
it’s like a little ARG for rogue players
pearl trout
tbh I don't expect any serious change to Outlaw until Midnight, I think we are done for the rest of TWW 💀
tulip jewel
hehe they can figure out why they’re oversimming because they’re missing 69 rogue bugs and the 7 dead targets you’re trying to BF hehehehe
inner stump
maybe we'll have an aura buff in 11.2
whoa, lets slow down there big boi
tulip jewel
11.2 after xmas
inner stump
outlaw buffs?
pearl trout
maybe some small tweaks ands shit, but reworks like KS probably not
inner stump
we are dooming here currently
tranquil hemlock
target cap to 10 so i can hit even more bodies
tulip jewel
target cap to 10 so i can hit even more bodies
blade flurry now damages teammates
tranquil hemlock
very nice
inner stump
btw, bf fix, if it comes, will have a nerf with it
daring oxide
id be genuinely interested in watching a documentary about wow class design process
hope it airs on netflix
inner stump
you guys are aware of this right
tranquil hemlock
ofc
pearl trout
the blizzard solution
safe pasture
fug it give us hero
tulip jewel
btw, bf fix, if it comes, will have a nerf with it
we know, it’ll be fix BF and cap it to 5 targets instead
vestal notch
id be genuinely interested in watching a documentary about wow class design proc...
1st topic: mages, 2nd topic: orange mages, 3rd topic: random classes so they dont yap
inner stump
because we have been hitting dead bodies for who knows how long, so this is the "normal"
so the fix to this will obviously be a nerf
tranquil hemlock
yeah for sure
inner stump
- hitting alive bodies
tranquil hemlock
alive bodies lmao
tranquil hemlock
hit the dead guys before they dead
fallen knot
if you have 20mobs pulls
who cares if you hit dead bodies
you'll still do tank damage
fluid meadow
imagine if we do dmg to dead enemies, so we have it, but worthless to the group
daring oxide
we might actually feel a buff to our aoe you know
vivid vessel
btw, bf fix, if it comes, will have a nerf with it
No it won't kekw
pearl trout
if we are hitting dead bodies already, give us a fucking corpse explosion skill at least
tranquil hemlock
just tell your tank to pull less in cinderbrew
daring oxide
if they fix this BF bug, cos i swear i have been doing negative damage on super large pulls simply because BF doesn't hit alive targets anymore after a point
tranquil hemlock
zac isnt dooming wtf is this
vivid vessel
When this bug is active we are already doing 0 damage
jolly geyser
just say you will int the key if he overpulls
tranquil hemlock
do less damage
proven ocean
I slept and my ac was too cold
daring oxide
experienced this in Ara kara, NW, City of threads, cinderbrew, hell any big pull
tranquil hemlock
kinda nerf
inner stump
I hope you are right
proven ocean
My fingers feel like
vivid vessel
It's one of the worse m+ spec ATM
proven ocean
They’re burning
tranquil hemlock
no u
vivid vessel
And you are talking about nerfs
proven ocean
From coldness
proven ocean
Holy shit
vivid vessel
I hate outlaw players
tranquil hemlock
wdym zeross
jolly geyser
blood coming back to fingers
proven ocean
Bro
tranquil hemlock
you got
hollow temple
I hate outlaw players
same
tranquil hemlock
raynauld's syndrome thing
proven ocean
My finger and right shoulder hurt
vivid vessel
@proven ocean you have an outlaw rogue and an Aug queuing to your key
proven ocean
Cuz of how cold my air conditioner was
vivid vessel
Who you taking
daring oxide
I hate outlaw players
same
proven ocean
While sleeping
covert kestrel
My finger and right shoulder hurt
Stroking out
daring oxide
<@1172550924519080006> you have an outlaw rogue and an Aug queuing to your key
take neither
tranquil hemlock
<@1172550924519080006> you have an outlaw rogue and an Aug queuing to your key
thats just 🧢
if you tell me you're picking aug
inner stump
you def wait for another class to sign up
proven ocean
blood coming back to fingers
How
vivid vessel
if you tell me you're picking aug
you havent played with outlaws in high keys
jolly geyser
vampire sucked you off
tranquil hemlock
tis me
proven ocean
I just woke up ok
vivid vessel
17 i do tank damage already
tranquil hemlock
ok
proven ocean
On a good morning
jolly geyser
is it good
tranquil hemlock
well then i'll have you know
vivid vessel
and it just goes worse and worse
tranquil hemlock
that no i havent
proven ocean
Cat guy
tranquil hemlock
you made your point
proven ocean
U are absolutely correct
proven ocean
Cat guy cat guy
inner stump
rename to cat guy
tranquil hemlock
inner stump
right meow
tulip jewel
car guy
proven ocean
Car guy
jolly geyser
inner stump
there we go
tranquil hemlock
i got to 13s and couldnt be bothered pressing ks anymore
inner stump
I do, but using KS makes me hate myself
tranquil hemlock
i hate you
proven ocean
??
tulip jewel
that’s the tank’s fault dw
inner stump
I feel like a hunter spamming barrage
tranquil hemlock
coz i wanna play rogue
pearl trout
I even aggroed random packs because of KS
yup this is bullshit
long barn
When are servers coming up, I’m away from computer
tulip jewel
yeah move to EU clearly
tranquil hemlock
move back in a few hours you'll be fine
tulip jewel
I did it, now I have no friends and can’t get invited to anything xd
tranquil hemlock
i'm from euw
tulip jewel
big fun
tranquil hemlock
and got no friends either
tulip jewel
1 high-five and my friendship’s urs
tranquil hemlock
🖐️
sleek ridge
Left brother hanging
tranquil hemlock
really
i feel betrayed
it's not like i was gonna play the game though so its cool ig
sleek ridge
Don't give up bro
tulip jewel
hahaha
tranquil hemlock
don't you dare hahaha me
tulip jewel
do any outlaws play the game rn?
latent belfry
do any outlaws play the game rn?
yes
tulip jewel
even if you want to, you won’t get invited
latent belfry
i run my OWN keys
gaunt phoenix
outlaw more popular than sub xddd
hybrid crown
It refers to someone who likes to be dominated
latent belfry
so you can mount them
tough geyser
noobquestion : if i enter vanish, do i spam BtE even with 1-3 Combos to procc max combo and do nothing else?
tough geyser
No you still have to build cps
thx, sometimes it takes me 3 seconds to build cps due to lack of energy
and vanish is wasted 😦
gaunt phoenix
at first glance the Deft cp rule doesnt seem to matter too much
bright crane
thx, sometimes it takes me 3 seconds to build cps due to lack of energy
are you going into the crackshot window with full cp?
tulip jewel
ah haha
tulip jewel
at first glance the Deft cp rule doesnt seem to matter too much
was it sim bug related or?
tough geyser
are you going into the crackshot window with full cp?
yes but i dont do it when i have 2vanishes up
inner stump
yes but i dont do it when i have 2vanishes up
I didnt understand as well, but you always go into vanish with full cps, every time
and inside vanish/subterfuge, you bte with 5cps
bright crane
Why wouldn’t you go into a crackshot window with full cp if you have 2 vanish
gaunt phoenix
was it sim bug related or?
No just Deft seems to not mind a CP rule all along, even with correct damage
related to this perhaps #1065730004920586350 message
tulip jewel
No just Deft seems to not mind a CP rule all along, even with correct damage
r...
ah that annoys me so much, UB being untrackable
tough geyser
Why wouldn’t you go into a crackshot window with full cp if you have 2 vanish
i go vanish with full combo but when another cps dont procc it takes me too long to build cps and i considered to go 1 cps bte and try to procc 5 cps with it
inner stump
what build are you playing?
tulip jewel
shouldn’t really be capping vanishes anyways unless you’re holding too much for whatever reason
bright crane
So just remember to always go into crackshot with full cp, and in crackshot window only bte when at 5+ cp
tough geyser
but ye it doesnt make sense as i asked i just dont like capping vanishes. it triggers me to use it
tulip jewel
So just remember to always go into crackshot with full cp, and in crackshot wind...
and preferably use coup first if you almost have one
bright crane
Yes
glass mortar
u generally only cap vanishes when ur mega highrolling
tulip jewel
u generally only cap vanishes when ur mega highrolling
only in m+ really if you’re getting a lot of restealths
or 7 aces multiple times sure xd
one of my sprocket pulls was 300k higher than my rank 1…
was infinite aces
craggy quiver
Dang only deft is fixed? I assume the other bugs are probably harder I guess
tulip jewel
unlucky someone choked it
gaunt phoenix
gaunt phoenix
Dang only deft is fixed? I assume the other bugs are probably harder I guess
ye i mean
i didnt expect anything on monday build
tulip jewel
<a:alchemy:1066977696485224469>
was it was 99% uptime on true bearing and rp over 4-5 mins lmao
was holding 3.2m for a long while
dropped to like 2.9 before someone cooked it
gaunt phoenix
yeah getting RP, or not getting RP rather is lowkey (highkey) the biggest thing on variance
annoying sometimes
tulip jewel
yeah getting RP, or not getting RP rather is lowkey (highkey) the biggest thing ...
that and chain ace procs really
some pulls you get like none
and fb is silly af
sometimes you get lucky coin insta others 2-3 mins in
rofl
hasty warren
tagging alone for 13/14
gaunt phoenix
think ace procs should average out pretty quickly with how much we bte tho sometimes you do get fucked
tulip jewel
think ace procs should average out pretty quickly with how much we bte tho somet...
yeah sometimes you get none and you energy starve if you don’t get any good rolls
no nrg, no cp, spiral into a big F
gaunt phoenix
every rtb having a 17% chance to become 5 buffs is fun but
tulip jewel
except when you roll 12 times and dont get it
gaunt phoenix
you're fucked if you dont get em
gaunt phoenix
The average 5 minute pull gets like 4 of them
olive flax
those random raid pulls where you get 2-3 one or two buff rolls in a row are painful af
glass mortar
its worse in dungeons
tulip jewel
how about 6-8 1-2 buffs in a row
olive flax
but then you get one where you get 3 five rolls in a row
glass mortar
averaging out over a dungeon is worse then averaging out over a raid boss cmm
oh lovely i rolled 4 1 buffs on the most important pack and no 5 buff on the most important boss
olive flax
truuuee
hasty warren
every rtb having a 17% chance to become 5 buffs is fun but
variance is still high
tulip jewel
rngesus
gaunt phoenix
The average 5 minute pull gets like 4 of them
im wrong it's not 4
tulip jewel
getting them during lust and pot matters a lot too
olive flax
im kind of curious what they will do with outlaw tierset next season - going to be hard to go back to a 2% chance to get 5 rolls again or whatever the math ends up being
tulip jewel
felt kinda nice when you had to roll properly tho tbh
hasty warren
something on bte can be nice
tulip jewel
made a huge difference between the good and the average outlaws
craggy quiver
I mean kir still have rules
gaunt phoenix
idk i wasnt here for what happened with supercharger before tier
craggy quiver
Just people play ho more
tulip jewel
KiR rules are pretty simple
would be fun to have some more complexity
remember when you got 5 buff and you were pogging tf out back in the day
damn
can’t beat that feel
craggy quiver
I rather it not being tied to rtb
olive flax
idk Im not a huge fan of gate keeping good play behind rtb - there is too much variance
craggy quiver
Kir is probably the max I would go
craggy quiver
idk i wasnt here for what happened with supercharger before tier
Almost the same
Just some role changes
That's it lol
frozen sinew
what's the highest simming build rn
craggy quiver
For me ho and kir super close
hushed horizon
The thing is anytime it looked safe something would happen right after I cast it
tulip jewel
The thing is anytime it looked safe something would happen right after I cast it
you’ll have to get used to watching boss/trash timers
glass mortar
im kind of curious what they will do with outlaw tierset next season - going to ...
would just go back to loaded dice most likely
valid wasp
The thing is anytime it looked safe something would happen right after I cast it
try to feint before using KS if unsure
glass mortar
i struggle to imagine sleight being a good playstyle with how much heavy lifting the set bonus does for 2 roll chance
tulip jewel
or you can just low cp spree instead it’s not a massive loss if you’ll end up pressing it way more
gaunt phoenix
what's the highest simming build rn
it depends on your gear a bit though HO is expected to average a bit higher for ppl
hushed horizon
Oh right. Feint and low spend.
tulip jewel
single target fatebound is higher if you have the right stats
gaunt phoenix
Ye that's pretty much just sprocket
livid pewter
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:- Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
tulip jewel
if you want more simple HO is the go
tulip jewel
1fth KiR is probably best overall in keys especially after fixes
not having to choose between and drop one of CTO/GS/PC
but if you’re going to have to giga spam feint to live in a pug you’re likely better off HO
craggy quiver
It's fine I been playing more kir as of late in keys
gaunt phoenix
for keys HO is expected to be a bit higher overall and should be easier to play
if we get some more bugfixes soon then KIR should be noticeably ahead at bigger pulls
so you can kind of weigh your options if you like kir
craggy quiver
Feels smoother lol
tulip jewel
fatebound is a pretty huge loss in any cleave
craggy quiver
U play kir trickster
I. Keys
Well I do
Zac page basically
Sometimes I drop PC tho
tulip jewel
yeah for sure
gaunt phoenix
xdd
craggy quiver
Ho in keys sometimes I just don't have energy
tulip jewel
it does have some good value in higher keys if it gets fixed
sullen wyvern
No mew hot fixes?
gaunt phoenix
Ho in keys sometimes I just don't have energy
that means you are noob !
tulip jewel
No mew hot fixes?
not right meow
craggy quiver
Some times get un lucky I dunno bro
sullen wyvern
gaunt phoenix
HO has more variance for sure
tulip jewel
KiR 1fth has a lot more energy issues than HO
craggy quiver
I don't run 1 fth
gaunt phoenix
well ye 1fth without broadside is missing a limb
sullen wyvern
Is it only me or does Kir feel kinda bad in TOP?
reef forge
Long down time never favoured kir
gaunt phoenix
sure it loses value a bit with buffs ticking down between packs
tulip jewel
boss rp op
sullen wyvern
Yeah
tulip jewel
depends how cooldowns line up really
sullen wyvern
I probably shouldn't KiR in Top
tulip jewel
and if you get a nice rtb on pull
craggy quiver
Don't killing spree in pvp rp
still matrix
surely they put out a bluepost tonight
sullen wyvern
surely they put out a bluepost tonight
craggy quiver
If you killing spree the pvp dude while boss dies
gaunt phoenix
dont need bluepost we will catch what is fixed or not anyway
sullen wyvern
Servers still down?
safe pasture
Servers still down?
ye
lone spear
2hr maintainence tn
sullen wyvern
Bruh
sullen wyvern
late swallow
lone spear
if you're hoping for anything, hope for some 11.1.7 patch notes
bugs will be fixed, they already working on them
but we must pray for the KS changes 
agile orchid
they should release the 11.1.7 ptr soon
prisma sapphire
Feel so irritated with blizzard for weeks after the coup fix and now to know this bug exists and they haven't fixed it in 1 hour
Ima continue being powerless and pissed
gaunt phoenix
xdd
craggy quiver
I mean outlaw is fine in keys it's whatever
prisma sapphire
Been refreshing simc documentation page every hour since that seems to be the fastest way to know
Lol
torpid fiber
just put ur phone away
craggy quiver
At least u can play around GM bug
torpid fiber
Get into a gacha game then
gaunt phoenix
No
prisma sapphire
Been there done that
gaunt phoenix
they are all predatory