outlaw

[vivid vessel]

I will not talk

Just wanna say

That

[gaunt phoenix]

ok

[vivid vessel]

Before

We didn't have

To solve a captcha

To get our trinket

That's all I'm gonna say

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean i think melee trinket design peaked at eternal palace

[torpid fiber]

Are you ai

[leaden folio]

do you remember drogbar rocks ? i remember, best trinket

[coarse plover]

A whole team for rewards design.
And made all the shit trinkets polluting my vault

[median nimbus]

good memories from that

[tender wedge]

i don't hate the idea of weird world trinkets being jacked for certain specs for weird reasons

maybe it's because it's usually outlaw that benefits lol

[royal hollow]

give me boon

[latent oak]

i miss boon like u wouldnt believe

[fathom bramble]

9.1.0.39653 @vivid vessel

[gaunt phoenix]

hm...

[median nimbus]

give back s4 grieftorch

[fathom bramble]

in case you were wondering how long it maybe has been a thing

[median nimbus]

🧢

[red zinc]

maybe in like vanilla

but even then i doubt it

[jolly geyser]

never been most pop

[tender wedge]

"20 years ago, rogues were the 5th most popular spec out of 9"

[bright crane]

I love wowhead comments

Just the Wild West of takes

[vivid vessel]

Nice

SL right

[tender wedge]

someone once said that the only people who comment on wowhead posts are those who haven't played for 10 years and exist only to hate

[fathom bramble]

they were just doing cleanup on a lot of spells and this snuck in I guess

there's a ton of other flag changes in here

yeah SL

[gaunt phoenix]

at some point they change their formatting to list the attributes instead of some grid thing

so if you go the Legion branch it shows this

can probably count if the 64th entry has an x

sec

[delicate seal]

you really want boon without step

[coarse plover]

Spaghetti code

[gentle geyser]

ROGUE IS A POPULAR CLASS??

SINCE WHEN

[royal hollow]

just cloak 🧠

[fathom bramble]

I forgot about this

it might still be on the older grids I'm not sure

also not sure I'm reading the grid right if this is suppose to line up with the numbers

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah im not sure how to read the gap

[fathom bramble]

Is Ability (4), Do Not Sheath (18), No Active Defense (21), Allow Dead Target (64), Do Not Report Spell Failure (71), Chain From Caster (76), No Initial Threat (86), Can't Crit (93), Not a Proc (105), Do Not Display Range (126), Treat as Area Effect (175), Ignore Caster Damage Modifiers (221), No Attack Miss (249), Not In Spellbook Until Learned (269), Ignore PvP Power (365), Allow Class Ability Procs (416)
Effects :

[gaunt phoenix]

like the first one is obviously the 4th entry but then idk

[fathom bramble]

actually I see

it's just left to right

and the first dot is 0

I think

[mighty pivot]

in that case it has an x

[fathom bramble]

pretty sure that lines up anyway

[mighty pivot]

for 64

[fathom bramble]

so this one is the 64 X

[frail veldt]

I mean how far back in history

[fathom bramble]

what if they just never fixed it

I thought it was fixed at some point, but BF was hitting corpses in mists of pandaria

or maybe wod

not sure

that is also assuming that this flag is what causes it

[gaunt phoenix]

yea ofc

[fathom bramble]

yeah going all the way back to legion the flag is still there idk

the grid got some extra lines since then, but it's still the same back to legion beta

IF this is the cause

it's been around a while

[desert tendon]

what is that

[gaunt phoenix]

braille

[desert tendon]

that what i thought

[fathom bramble]

spelldata

[tulip jewel]

it's how blind people hear

[gaunt phoenix]

spell data as formatted by simc

[dire pollen]

It hits the corpses of the dead witch boss in waycrest in s3 dragonflight

[desert tendon]

yea but that was special cuz they werent dead until the fight was over

[gaunt phoenix]

yea dont think they were dead dead

[desert tendon]

kinda like 1st boss of top

[mighty pivot]

sweeping strikes did not have the dead target attribute back then, nor now, assuming that its targeting logic is supposed to be the same

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's there even in wod

I'm not going back any further there's no point

[tough coral]

so we playing FB now or what ?

[fathom bramble]

if it's the cause then it has been hitting the dead since forever

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah all the warrior spells that can be chained by sweeping dont have the flag

[tough coral]

or is FB bugged also ?

[tight kernel]

Kinda troll but dropped Ace, to pick up CTO+PC+GS.. didn't feel bad tbh

[fathom bramble]

I forgot they changed how spelldata was displayed and didn't account for it

the flag in question has been around for muuuch longer

[gaunt phoenix]

no trickster is the same as it always was. it's just a quirk that fazed on secondary targets doesnt increase incoming bf damage

always been this way

just should get it noticed somehow

[tight kernel]

AoE felt good and ST did too. was a joke 10 tho so idk

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[frail veldt]

you cant get to GS as HO with only 1 pt in fth

thats the path to gs isnt it

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah ho would have to go pc

[tight kernel]

I didn't drop a point in fth, just dropped ace

[frail veldt]

even if you go pc

[gaunt phoenix]

instead of gs i mean

ho removing 1 fth is so it can take deft or something

[vivid vessel]

Wtf am I looking at

[gaunt phoenix]

numbers

yellow good

what else ?

[vivid vessel]

That's why I said that cuh

[unborn vale]

yishhh we are back

[frail veldt]

so are you just dropping GS for PC?

what are you dropping ace for?

only other thing to pick up as HO is GSW

[tight kernel]

No didnt drop GS

dropped Ace for CTO

[frail veldt]

ah gotcha

so you are GS CTO PC no Ace

[late swallow]

Dropping ace

[vivid vessel]

Ok but what am I looking at

[gaunt phoenix]

numbers

[vivid vessel]

You are doing 3 mil st dps

[frail veldt]

a random SS of aoe and ST?

[vivid vessel]

8 mil overall ?

[tight kernel]

yeah I mean Im just doing 10s weekly and was curious

[vivid vessel]

Bro wilding out

Your oitllaww on crack or what

[gaunt phoenix]

ye it is known that you can remove ace and the damage is fine

[frail veldt]

in sims losing ace is surprisingly not bad

[vivid vessel]

Bro

[gaunt phoenix]

dont think you should do it for reasons other than 'cause i can' tho

[vivid vessel]

I'm not talking about the build Omegalul

[latent oak]

its the 8m overall he is popping off about

[vivid vessel]

And the 3 mil st cuh

[latent oak]

hes just better than u

no need to be mad about it

[vivid vessel]

I mean 3 mil st is doable I think in a short period

With a 5 buff

[gaunt phoenix]

when they fix the wowhead bugs we do 8 million overall man

[vivid vessel]

And all these buffs but

8 mil overall

I have never seen anyone do that

Even in a 10 with people doing no damage

[tulip jewel]

rofl

[vivid vessel]

I mean tbf these people are actually doing no damage

But

Maybe it's time I stop trolling and play ho instead of kir who knows

I'm washed up

[latent oak]

the fabled day of reckoning

[hybrid crown]

Make details count damage towards dead mobs lol

[gaunt phoenix]

no combatlog event so would be hard

[mighty pivot]

just make it up

[fathom bramble]

simc spelldata doesn't go back far enough for me to check the patch that I think added this gg

it's had Allow dead target functionally forever

[tulip jewel]

check classic wow xd

[gaunt phoenix]

there is some site that has the actual database tables

from ancient wow history

[fathom bramble]

cata classic doesn't ahve it, but mists classic does

[tulip jewel]

hehe

[fathom bramble]

I think it was changed when they made BF hit 4 things instead of 1

[gaunt phoenix]

wouldnt know how to find BF flags in it though

[fathom bramble]

but idk

5.2 is my theory

[vivid vessel]

Bro linked a 8 mil overall then went to sleep

Cba I want the juice man

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure it was overall

[vivid vessel]

We will never know

I mean if dude is doing 3 mil st

Lol

You remember

I'm df

There was a guy that came out of nowhere

Started sending insane details

[frail veldt]

naaah theres no way

[vivid vessel]

Turn out his details was bugged

[tulip jewel]

ain’t no way it’s overall

[gaunt phoenix]

lol

[frail veldt]

though the non ace build isnt actually that bad

[vivid vessel]

Shit was so funny

[hollow temple]

[frail veldt]

ace/cto/gs/pc all sim very similar in dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

but how was it bugged

[frail veldt]

as HO you can pick any 3 of the 4 pmuch

[tulip jewel]

a dungeon can’t be fast enough to hit 8m overall without an aug with dps that bad

[vivid vessel]

Idk it just did way higher numbers

[hybrid crown]

The amount of pug keys in DF where I did twice as much as the next dps

[vivid vessel]

I don't remember the exact reasons

[latent oak]

mine was bugged in df also, it would double count the trash pulls inebtween bosses

[vivid vessel]

He reinstalled after or something and it was fine

But ye

[fathom bramble]

probably some janky custom script

[vivid vessel]

I thought he was a gamer for a while

[fathom bramble]

I had one that was suppose to merge ambush but it was just doubling it instead

[vivid vessel]

For like 5 sec

[fathom bramble]

I don't remember why

[vivid vessel]

Cause his numbers where quite big

But you know

[red zinc]

i think its a darkflame

judging by background

[vivid vessel]

It's always suspect when people do more damage than me

Can't believe it

[red zinc]

and hes counting 1st boss as st or something

[vivid vessel]

Must be fake

[broken sentinel]

its a floodgate https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-2/12713776-10-operation-floodgate

[vivid vessel]

Wtf bro is doing

Doxing

[tulip jewel]

lmfao

[hybrid crown]

Maybe they just zoned out of the dungeon right after the moss boss then zoned back in for the last boss lol

[red zinc]

and "st" is one of the first 2 bosses then

[red zinc]

let me guess

[frail veldt]

maybe this guys a gamer?

[vivid vessel]

Insane lore that's like the mage that found me last time

[red zinc]

nobody is doing 3mil st on a dungeon boss cuh

[frail veldt]

hes got a 100 on cauldron mythic

[broken sentinel]

btw is there a rough estimate how big of an impact the BF targetcount bug actually is? avged out ofc since its hella rng

[vivid vessel]

Nah not really

In very big packs like first pull mew

It had huge impact sometimes

Like say, I know that I'm supposed to be doing 11 mil minimum on that pack

And I did 6

Type of shit

But that's very particular

To these huge pulls situations

[gaunt phoenix]

i wonder if kate stressed this because a percent estimate of bugs is somehow important for official bug reporting

[tender wedge]

yeah the variance in dps in big pulls was crazy sometimes

[tulip jewel]

yeah definitely

[tender wedge]

like WAY more than RTB rng should account for

[broken sentinel]

kate just likes when things are properly investigated into the last detail etc

[tulip jewel]

if fazed gets fixed too that’d be so nice

[red zinc]

@vivid vessel one thing i dont understand though, there was a lot of small mobs dying in first pull EB where it felt the same, so i get the mobs dying thing there

but in fall first pull you also had it but all the mobs had big hp there pretty much

[gaunt phoenix]

well, we found out it was dead targets and then stopped so i guess we failed there

[red zinc]

ima see if i can find logs from back then cause im curious

[vivid vessel]

Failed what

What more you wanna do

We can't calculate anything

[torpid fiber]

You'd have to write a log parser or smth to calculate

[frail veldt]

I dont think this was a thing in fall

I felt like my dps was always quite consistnet there

[vivid vessel]

Idk I don't remember

[red zinc]

the computer that could calculate the impact of this bug could probably be used better

mf quantum computer

[torpid fiber]

import warcraftlogs as wcl

log = wcl.load_log("my_log")
print(log.calculate_damage_lost_from_bf_bug())

easy way to check how much dps we lost

[red zinc]

real

[gaunt phoenix]

thx

[broken sentinel]

if it wouldnt be about like 25k+ events per dungeon i would do it manually but your spec is dogshit ngl

[vivid vessel]

Ty

Wdym manually

[red zinc]

I mean bro

[gaunt phoenix]

are you a monk

tell kate im sorry ravenholdt is rather unapproachable

at times

[vivid vessel]

Eh

She is rather disrespectful

[red zinc]

you'd have to account for amount of mobs in a pack, which mobs died when, how much damage you dealt on that hit, pc

fuckin impossible

[torpid fiber]

I'd just ignore pc for first round calculations tbh

[frail veldt]

I mean if you just had "number of mobs(alive) in range" logged as well youd be fine but I dont think wclogs has that info

[broken sentinel]

ye but she can be rather unapproachable as well so its not like she can be mad about that imho

[tulip jewel]

surprisingly range checks to dead mobs in logs aren’t that easy

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao fair enough

[torpid fiber]

yeah, this would be the thing you'd have to create tooling for

[broken sentinel]

you only need to rangecheck to living mobs

and check on the amount of living mobs in range vs mobs hit

[red zinc]

how about it gets fixed and we check the impact then

thoughts?

[vivid vessel]

Xd

Real

[broken sentinel]

imagine getting bugs fixed lol

[tulip jewel]

rofl

[fathom bramble]

still doesn't work if it's 4 living 3 dead reducing PC value

[torpid fiber]

Idk I think this is an interesting programming problem

[fathom bramble]

unless you calculate how much pc is missing as well

[tulip jewel]

well make an effort to give an accurate result after the fix 100%

yeah PC value is pretty big

[broken sentinel]

is there an acronympage for your stuff?

[fathom bramble]

accurate estimate is also massively influenced by the dungeon and how your tank is pulling

[tulip jewel]

would he invalidated a lot

[vivid vessel]

They were quite fast at fixing the double coup bug that was giving us close to 10% dps

[broken sentinel]

nvm found it

[fathom bramble]

I think there is one around here somewhere

that specific one is Precise cuts

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[broken sentinel]

ye in the faq

shouldve looked there first

[vivid vessel]

Bro isn't reading the faq I can't

[gaunt phoenix]

what is this

[tulip jewel]

we have a talent tree too btw

[gaunt phoenix]

🦄

[vivid vessel]

A horse

[gaunt phoenix]

i should get ad revenue from discord for my faq

[fathom bramble]

like if your tank has the habit of backpedaling for no reason

your always going to be standing on corpses as the pack dies

[broken sentinel]

only if i get ad rev for every message in the monkdiscord i made

[vivid vessel]

I mean

I think honestly

Since we didn't know

It's just bad luck

[tulip jewel]

can they stop BF from hitting critters too ty

[vivid vessel]

I think that example I got was like

[gaunt phoenix]

are you ahead of zac

[vivid vessel]

One of the most extreme thing ever

[torpid fiber]

also surely it wouldn't be hard to check how many dead mobs we're in range of, because every dead mob was once alive and became dead

[vivid vessel]

Missing the beta channel tho or

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

I have so many in these

[jolly geyser]

who has most messages here anyway?

[broken sentinel]

nah, just reached the 400k

[vivid vessel]

200k at least as far as I remember

[gaunt phoenix]

that must be like 100k more lol

[vivid vessel]

Was 200

[gaunt phoenix]

rookie numbers it seems

[lone crow]

wtf

[fathom bramble]

can you guys not see the archived stuff anymore?

[vivid vessel]

Actual skill issue

[broken sentinel]

ig i have a new target now

[red zinc]

zac might be first idk

[fathom bramble]

I thought they let CF see archives

[gaunt phoenix]

naw they are hidden behind admin perms i think

[vivid vessel]

Whispyr is

I think

[red zinc]

no

[tulip jewel]

masters in yappanese

[red zinc]

hes 440 or something

[vivid vessel]

What no

Guy

But guy is like

It's all off topic

[gaunt phoenix]

oh i can see them

[vivid vessel]

Does that even count

[red zinc]

ur 1k above guy

now

[broken sentinel]

but ngl zac i like the way you type

[vivid vessel]

How many I have in that one

[red zinc]

terminally online #1

[broken sentinel]

i always get memed for the pressing enter stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

he's french

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

You are in the right place then

[fathom bramble]

zac types 5 lines for every normal line

it is what it is

[vivid vessel]

You should see zeross

[broken sentinel]

nah

holy

[random stirrup]

it's just because they aren't zoomers

smh

[broken sentinel]

you guys are still preferring rogue

[vivid vessel]

Nah but wait till zeross comes here tho

[fathom bramble]

I glanced at discord once and it was you and zeross doing it at eachother

filling the entire screen

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

zeross has sent like 10k messages worth of text

[tulip jewel]

microwave

[red zinc]

in 140k messages

[tulip jewel]

cook

if

nvm

[tranquil hemlock]

typing in twenty lines is just better

[tulip jewel]

it’s more hype

[fathom bramble]

I mean

like

[tranquil hemlock]

it flows

[fathom bramble]

if that is

fine for

[tranquil hemlock]

like a conversation

[fathom bramble]

you

[vivid vessel]

You are too slow lok

[red zinc]

HALT

[vivid vessel]

Doesn't work for you

[broken sentinel]

[vivid vessel]

You have to be quick with it

[tulip jewel]

the discord is now in 4 words maximum per message mode…

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk it's too hard to find a break in the line that makes sense

[tranquil hemlock]

dont break

just

typoe

[vivid vessel]

Doesn't have to make sense

[tranquil hemlock]

stuff

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[tranquil hemlock]

doenst have to make sens

idk

[vivid vessel]

Idk just press enter ?

[tranquil hemlock]

??

[vivid vessel]

Thoughts?

[tranquil hemlock]

press

think later

[torpid fiber]

pitch: guy who splits everything into 20 lines but uses shift+enter so it's just one 20 line message

[tulip jewel]

F

[vivid vessel]

I do that sometimes

[broken sentinel]

same

but rarely

[vivid vessel]

Good middle ground

[hollow temple]

wtf???

[broken sentinel]

shift enter is not feeling the same as just hammering enter tbh

[vivid vessel]

Trickz how many you have

[fathom bramble]

I only have 100k gg

[tulip jewel]

the more @ pings the better imo

[vivid vessel]

You are an amateur I bet

[vivid vessel]

You have more ask solo

[hollow temple]

you're a filthy fucking padder

[broken sentinel]

tho i might have like 50k more i think

[hollow temple]

so IDC

[vivid vessel]

He sees the secret channel

[broken sentinel]

sadly most botcommands are deleted

[vivid vessel]

No I'm not??

[hollow temple]

zac

u

used

to

[vivid vessel]

Bro

[hollow temple]

type

;ole

like

this

[vivid vessel]

Every message I send

[hollow temple]

padder

[vivid vessel]

Is high value

If you can't understand that

[hollow temple]

🧢

[vivid vessel]

You cannot be here

No capo

[hollow temple]

🧢

[tranquil hemlock]

so much value wtf

[vivid vessel]

Ye right

[hollow temple]

[tranquil hemlock]

i'm entertained

[vivid vessel]

Wait but

I lost the plot tho

[tranquil hemlock]

type message

[vivid vessel]

I wanted to figure out if that guy was doing 8 mil overall

[tranquil hemlock]

think later

[vivid vessel]

Or not

[tranquil hemlock]

remember

[vivid vessel]

Bring him back here

Get me a log

[hollow temple]

he was not

[latent oak]

are u baiting urself at this point or what

[hollow temple]

very obviously was not overall

[tranquil hemlock]

lmao

[tulip jewel]

that’s cap for a darkflame of that duration with that damage 100%

[vivid vessel]

Ye I need to sleep actually nvm

[hollow temple]

go bedge nobo

[fathom bramble]

BF fix when you wake up

[tulip jewel]

fazed fix

[vivid vessel]

Bro I almost fell asleep at work today

[fathom bramble]

BF fazed

[latent oak]

zac why do french ppl like to abbreviate things to 3 letters

[fathom bramble]

everything

[tulip jewel]

triple coup bug discovered

[vivid vessel]

During a meeting with the boss guy

Was weird

[latent oak]

like fdp and mdr

i dont know what they mean

[vivid vessel]

Xdd

[broken sentinel]

well ask one of the NA betatesters to ask any of the groupmembers to uplaod the log

[latent oak]

but i get called them in league alot

[vivid vessel]

Mdr is like lol

[viral flume]

This realz guy is a clown

[vivid vessel]

It's dead from laughing if you translate

And fdp is just

[tranquil hemlock]

👀

[vivid vessel]

Son of a bithc

[tulip jewel]

he called solo a nice catch?

[vivid vessel]

Not bithc

Whore

Ye

[latent oak]

i got called homeless through sdf or something like that aswell

[tranquil hemlock]

yeah

son of a bitch is kinda light

[vivid vessel]

SDF is without a fixed home?

[tranquil hemlock]

fdp is tough

[vivid vessel]

Idk

Idk how to translate it litteraly

[latent oak]

without permanent home

[tranquil hemlock]

son of a whore is kinda it

i guess

[vivid vessel]

But the most french thing we do that is more interesting is verlan tho

[hollow temple]

...

[vivid vessel]

Where we just like

[tranquil hemlock]

baguette good

target cap bad

[vivid vessel]

Put words in the other way around

Wtf how do you explain that

[latent oak]

sounds very french

[tranquil hemlock]

you don't xd

[latent oak]

(cooked)

[vivid vessel]

Like you take the start of a word and you stick it to the end

It's very cool

[tranquil hemlock]

just impossible to do in english

[latent oak]

glishen

[vivid vessel]

Like a woman would become a manwo

[tranquil hemlock]

without sounding weird

[vivid vessel]

That's actually a thing btw

Femme = meuf

[latent oak]

sibleimpos

[fathom bramble]

I hope your day gets better and you don't feel the need to type things like this

[vivid vessel]

Well that one is weird but

[tulip jewel]

let’s eat grandma!
let’s eat, grandma!

punctuation saves lives

[tranquil hemlock]

in french impossible is spelled the same

[viral flume]

You too!

[tranquil hemlock]

Possible is spellt the same way

and some people say "blessipo"

[latent oak]

but u've got to use an accent in ur head when u say it

[random stirrup]

is this like a france french thing

[tranquil hemlock]

triple verlan

[random stirrup]

i dont think i remember anything like this in canada french

[vivid vessel]

Uh idk

Canadian might do it aswell

I don't see why not

[gaunt phoenix]

@fathom bramble i think you are right about 5.2, or at least that expansion

this site shows the spell data in its database format https://wago.tools/db2 archived through the expansions

the SpellMisc table contains the spell flags

If you go to the table and filter by spell ID 22482 (the last column), then their archive for patch 5.5 is the first time it shows the dead target flag

[vivid vessel]

It seems pretty universal to me

French universal I mean

[latent oak]

do they do it in algeria

[tulip jewel]

rofl 5.2

[latent oak]

real question

[vivid vessel]

Bro idk

I'm french

From France

[viral flume]

Minor error not a big deal.

[latent oak]

what about suriname

[fathom bramble]

5.2 would mean that it has had the flag since BF started hitting more than 1 thing

[tranquil hemlock]

much baguette

[vivid vessel]

Idk every french speaking country in the world

[latent oak]

fake frenchman

[fathom bramble]

but we don't know if the flag behavior has changed at all during the 10 years of time that would be

[latent oak]

they were ur conquests

[vivid vessel]

Idk what Suriname is

[random stirrup]

they often call our canadian french like redneck french or something

[vivid vessel]

Is that not the bad guy in lotr

[random stirrup]

because we have old rules from 1800s when we came here

[tranquil hemlock]

born in france

fake frenchman

[vivid vessel]

With the beard

[tranquil hemlock]

[vivid vessel]

The gandalf but bad

[latent oak]

ya thats him

[fathom bramble]

it's not something you would probably notice while BF was uncapped though

[torpid fiber]

does whirlwind also have the tag has anyone checked yet
i couldn't figure out which of the 20 whirlwind spells on wowhead was the real one

[latent oak]

well known frenchie in the books

[fathom bramble]

except the spell effect use to show on corpses in wod

[latent oak]

silmarillion goes into it more

[tranquil hemlock]

Saruman

[vivid vessel]

Ah ye

Close enough

[civic void]

Suriname has never been french pretty sure

[gaunt phoenix]

21 whirlwind entries

[fathom bramble]

your looking for sweeping strikes right

[tulip jewel]

I was thinking of coding a plater mod to colour plates in a way that shows which have been hit by BF recently

[fathom bramble]

since that is a BF clone

[latent oak]

maybe i was thinking guyana

[torpid fiber]

oh true lok

[gaunt phoenix]

naw whirlwind since he asked, i already know sweeping doesnt have it

[vivid vessel]

Ye I was thinking similar

[civic void]

Yeah probably, French Guyana still exists

[torpid fiber]

idk mostly i want to check if it's a broader bug/we're misinterpreting the flag by comparing it to a similar situation

[vivid vessel]

Like attach a bf icon on plates that are being hit

[tulip jewel]

ye

[latent oak]

neither are on geo im pretty sure

[vivid vessel]

So you know the exact range instead of approximations

[latent oak]

so dont need to know it :)

[tulip jewel]

just visual distinction

[latent oak]

would u like a bf indicator

like in an ideal world

like starfall ahs

[vivid vessel]

Ye

A circle

I wish we had that

[latent oak]

ya

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel do you use a "targets in range of BF" wa? And does it hurt performance?

[vivid vessel]

Idk bf range is so hard to like

[tulip jewel]

any vfx

[vivid vessel]

Understand

[tulip jewel]

to make you feel powerful

[vivid vessel]

I do

[frail veldt]

I remember last time I used one it was a big hog of cpu

[vivid vessel]

And it does

Not

(I have no idea)

[latent oak]

i guess its less useful that u expect it to be since it mob hitboxes are a big part of the equation

[vivid vessel]

It's one of the most intensive weak aura I have

But it's also not significant enough

To matter

[vivid vessel]

True

But you could have a visual on mobs as well idk

[tulip jewel]

yeah plater confirmed bf damaged in last 1s etc would be more useful

[vivid vessel]

Idk it just feels so hard to know what is in range or not

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think whirlwind is a chaining spell like bf

is it?

[vivid vessel]

But also like

That's kinda wow

[tranquil hemlock]

i feel like

[vivid vessel]

A lot of things are very nebulous

[tranquil hemlock]

a plater profile telling me when bf hits

[vivid vessel]

And you have to guess

[tranquil hemlock]

might just make me wanna play outlaw even less

[vivid vessel]

I mean it would be a weak aura it wouldn't be hard at all

[tulip jewel]

unseen blade roleplay going too hard

[broken sentinel]

you are welcome to join the faction of windwankers

[tranquil hemlock]

i'd just feel bad

[vivid vessel]

Attaching a bf icon on the 7 most recent mobs hit by bf

Really easy

[broken sentinel]

we dont have issues with dead targets

unless your clones are fixated to them

[vivid vessel]

That you know of

[tranquil hemlock]

i've been cheating for a while

im

a fire mage

[broken sentinel]

[tranquil hemlock]

eaaehrhaeegh

[vivid vessel]

Ok this does sound like skill issue tbf

[broken sentinel]

at least it looks fancy

when you press a skill they jump to a new target and jojo back to the dead body

[tranquil hemlock]

no ks and i'm back to law

[vivid vessel]

Nice

[tranquil hemlock]

but i just cant be bothered dude

[vivid vessel]

Soon

I know from trusted source ks is fixed in 11.1.7

[tranquil hemlock]

wdym

what is trusted

is it like

[vivid vessel]

I called my blizzard hotline yesterday

[broken sentinel]

sure and augment is finally deleted

[tranquil hemlock]

💯

[latent oak]

that dude that did 8m overall told him

[vivid vessel]

Real

[tranquil hemlock]

u under a rock

aug IS deleted

[broken sentinel]

they still exist

[tranquil hemlock]

no they dont

thats fake news right there

[latent oak]

they are down rn but doesnt mean the cant rise again

[tranquil hemlock]

u lie

[latent oak]

like a phoenix

[vivid vessel]

I do wish augment runes weren't a thing, it's such a gold sink

[broken sentinel]

that as well

ngl

[vivid vessel]

And I feel suboptimal not using them

[tulip jewel]

dw

[broken sentinel]

fucking expensive useless shit

[tulip jewel]

for 1m gold

[vivid vessel]

Real

[tulip jewel]

perma aug rune toy soon

[latent oak]

use df infinite ones :)

[vivid vessel]

That feels even less optimal

[tranquil hemlock]

but muh stats

[vivid vessel]

Rather not use any than the df one

[broken sentinel]

and you have to invest another 1m each expansion to update it to the newest version

[tulip jewel]

$120 aug tune toy from shop

[random stirrup]

if you cheated to renown 20 early on NA

you kept it

[vivid vessel]

Wouldn't mind tbf

[broken sentinel]

same

[random stirrup]

and one of the things you get from renown is guaranteed rune from the machine

[vivid vessel]

I think runes have probably costed me way more

[random stirrup]

and up to 3

on every character

[tranquil hemlock]

no na tho he french remember

[tulip jewel]

aug rune mount for $120

[tranquil hemlock]

i'd buy

would

[vivid vessel]

Everytime I buy a batch of 20 runes it'd like 30k or some shit

[tranquil hemlock]

wtf

[tulip jewel]

I get mine under the table

[tranquil hemlock]

i havent used a rune in like 3 years

[vivid vessel]

Wtf

Send me some

[tranquil hemlock]

f that stuff

[tulip jewel]

rofl some guy I know has like a zillion

[vivid vessel]

A zillion what

Runes

[latent oak]

does he do a lot of heroic dungeons as tank

[tulip jewel]

bro melted down all the augmentation evokers

into augment runes

[vivid vessel]

XD

[gaunt phoenix]

lmfao

[tranquil hemlock]

best move

[vivid vessel]

Good shit man

Fuck Aug evokers

Whenever I feel bad I check Aug evokers pins

You guys should do the same

[tulip jewel]

😹

[tranquil hemlock]

please enlighten me

[vivid vessel]

They are mega doomers

And it makes me feel good

Seeing them despair

[tranquil hemlock]

as they should tbh

[latent oak]

is it dooming if its true

[lone zealot]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tranquil hemlock]

i mean i'd be happy if i was an aug main

[vivid vessel]

No that's the best part !

[tranquil hemlock]

spec was good for a good long time

[vivid vessel]

Everytime Aug get buffed I'm a little scared right

[latent oak]

ya ofc

[vivid vessel]

But then I check their pins

And all is good

Back to a perfect world

[tranquil hemlock]

is it like

[vivid vessel]

Where Aug doesn't exist

[tranquil hemlock]

"3% buff we still shit lads"

[vivid vessel]

Gladge

[tulip jewel]

if next patch is spriest mage evoker………

[random stirrup]

no next target is boomie

they are too ignored

they are always strong

and that spec is braindead

[tulip jewel]

gif outlaw season pls

I just wanna get invited

[vivid vessel]

This one my favorite

[tranquil hemlock]

the 5 reactions

might be the funniest part

[vivid vessel]

The 5 Aug players ye

[tranquil hemlock]

lmaooo

[tulip jewel]

the really nails it

[quaint wharf]

fellow 11.1.7 believer

[tranquil hemlock]

every single aug emoted

[vivid vessel]

I believe

It'd been too long

[latent oak]

personally im a 11.1.5 believer

[vivid vessel]

Surely it's now

That's already gone bozo

Wdym

[latent oak]

not too late for some timestream shenanigans

[tulip jewel]

turbo boost believer

[vivid vessel]

Ye right

[tranquil hemlock]

by fix ks

you mean the tp

?

[latent oak]

the part that kills u ya

[tranquil hemlock]

that'd be dope, spell looks even better when it doesnt tp u around

[latent oak]

have u seen the wox suggestion

[tranquil hemlock]

yeye

[latent oak]

zac prolly has the link memorised at this point

[tranquil hemlock]

i was here when wowtoxic linked his yt video

as if it was no big deal

[latent oak]

calm down aslan

[tranquil hemlock]

good old days

anyways

i'll go back to playing everything but wow until 11.1.7

[latent oak]

oblivion is all u need

that game is sick

[tranquil hemlock]

i need

fellowship

if ks isnt fixed in 11.1.7 i'll unfollow u @vivid vessel

big threat you've been warned

[peak crow]

since early August 2012 (1 year into MoP), patch 5.4

[torpid fiber]

i guess it wasn't an issue until SL though, and by then it's easy to miss stuff that has been like that for so many years

[random stirrup]

thank you mr realz

[latent oak]

thank you mr realz

[hollow temple]

[peak crow]

It may have been added to prevent blade flurry damage from failing if the primary target hit dies from the damage

[torpid fiber]

that would make sense

[fluid iron]

long time no see mr zlaeR hope u doing well

[brave lagoon]

how much copium do I need to intake

[timber knoll]

Thank you for dropping in to talk with us it’s appreciated and I love u

[brave lagoon]

I've been doing tank damage for so many keys lately I know I'm trash but not usually that trash

[torpid fiber]

bug will only significantly matter on very specific pulls

[brave lagoon]

I mean yeah, but at this point I don't even trust 'normal pulls' to be accurate anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

not a new bug so i guess feeling weaker this week is placebo or something else

[brave lagoon]

Yeah I'm sure it is, I'm not that great of a player to begin with lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

tho being aware of GM snap should be a noticeable increase

Not for kir tho

[brave lagoon]

some mid pulls with barely 5-8 mobs I'll manage to pull 7-8m dps, but then some pulls like 1st priory pull I'll have some crazy rng 6-7 crackshot bullshit opener, and I'm looking at myself barely edging the tank in damage at 4m

at this point I don't even question it anymore

[sharp sand]

someone whispered me outlaw is bugged

is this true

[glass mortar]

just thinking about it there r 100% keys ive gone with gm not up for over half the key

xd

just cause of that bug

if u dont die in a key as HO easy

[fathom bramble]

I checked a random priory and I only cast BF 5 times

once during GM at the end of the last boss 👌

[tender wedge]

ouch

[keen belfry]

BF target capped at 0

[glass mortar]

bf target capped at zero but you do 600% increased damage to the target

finally true funnel

[keen belfry]

when will they fix my boy

[mighty pivot]

Bf remains capped, but becomes uncapped while the noggenfogger pirate is active

[tight kernel]

ez bug fix, softcap BF

[sullen wyvern]

Dying at the 3rd boss of 15 CB cuz I used KS and a barrell came out right on top of where I threw KS

[desert tendon]

what s so fun is that they buffed devo more than aug, while devo was top 3 and aug trashcan garbage ass no cock on monday

[late swallow]

Missed another realz appearance ffs

[desert tendon]

dude s never here when realz pop

[mighty pivot]

It's like superman and Clark Kent, you never see them in the same room

[covert kestrel]

No jorkin it comments this time

[late swallow]

[fathom bramble]

I was losing so much damage on this GM bug

actually doing so much more playing around it

I use to start every key with BF - Stealth - AR

[torpid fiber]

yeah my guess is it's probably close to a straight up 10% dps increase if you were always snapshotting 0gm before and always snapshotting gm now

[fathom bramble]

so I was always not benefitting GM For a long time

[bright crane]

so we wanna BF while we have GM?

[torpid fiber]

yeah, and not BF while you don't have GM

[fathom bramble]

yeah until they fix it

hopefully soon

[torpid fiber]

and also don't BF if it'd be bad to BF usually

[bright crane]

yeah but just to make sure i understand it correctly

BF+GM=good

[torpid fiber]

ye

[bright crane]

BF - GM = bad

[torpid fiber]

bf cleave buff is snapshotting gm for whatever reason

i wonder if it also snapshots other buffs

[bright crane]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[bright crane]

can somebody send the BF wa

[timber knoll]

you know this whole thing kinda drives home why WoW 2 wouldn't be such a bad idea

[bright crane]

brother

[torpid fiber]

wow2 would just have infinite of this type of bug

[bright crane]

wow1 is getting .5 patches with nothing in them

wow2 will take literal decades to come out

like wow1 has to actually die for them to have the manpower to even begin to create a wow2

[long barn]

@zac @mewo - Why is this guy using circlet? I mean you know hes got other stuff. Raidbots sims it lower...

[upbeat tundra]

wen bug fix

[bright crane]

when venus is in retrograde

[upbeat tundra]

someone give it to me straight, does any of it even get fixed this season

[bright crane]

hopefully

realz has commented more than once about it

[regal pewter]

so prolly shouldnt play outlaw right now then huh

[hollow temple]

50/50 it gets fixed tomorrow

either it gets fixed, or it doesn't

[upbeat tundra]

i hate u

[viral flume]

You literally should....

You do more than blizzard does

[hollow temple]

outlaw is no different than it has been since MoP regarding playability

[regal pewter]

what

im saying because of the bug

[mighty pivot]

Well yeah it was combat back then

[hollow temple]

the bug likely existed since MoP

like if you were playing outlaw at all this season

the bug is not something new

[past falcon]

not necessarily

that allow dead targets (64) may have existed since MoP but now something in TWW might have changed that now interferes w it

we dont know

[hollow temple]

this has been suspected for years

[mossy rock]

rip the blade flurry bug but this grand melee bug kinda juiced. Im pulling like 0.5 to 1m more dps on training dummies bc of infinite grand melee uptime (snapshotting it with blade flurry)

[hollow temple]

so i highly doubt its new to TWW

[fathom bramble]

someone that actually pays for the premium warcraftlogs stuff would have to check

but we hit corpses in mists/wod I jsut thought it got fixed ages ago*

and we hit corpses right now

so

[torpid fiber]

I strongly suspect it's been around since SL

It's very obvious how this happens

[frail veldt]

Circlet is good on st

[torpid fiber]

Especially with the context realz gave of why the tag might have been originally added

[frail veldt]

It's hard to beat

A lot of top logs still use circlet

[long barn]

I had no iea

idea

[torpid fiber]

What I'm most curious about is what the practical dps increase of the top outlaw players will be in keys when the bug gets fixed

[long barn]

I see that in the logs. It only sims 14k less for me in ST.

[frail veldt]

Use relative DPS

[upbeat tundra]

what if realz fixes the bugs and throws us a bone and makes ks not kill us as compensation

[torpid fiber]

I think the compensation for fixing the bugs will be not having bugs

[upbeat tundra]

i just wanna play my spec again man

[torpid fiber]

yeah I get that

[runic gulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/class-bug-fixes-and-easier-nightfall-score-patch-11-1-5-hotfixes-for-april-28th-376598?utm_source=discord-webhook

that's funny

they forgot to type out all the outlaw ones

[torpid fiber]

Idk I suspect functional changes have to go through a Process which is why KS fix is hard

[upbeat tundra]

haha weird

[upbeat tundra]

true but it could have some kinda fix in the meantime

[latent oak]

think its a bit unrealistic to expect the turn around to be that quit

quick*

[pearl trout]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-dumpster-fire-back-to-the-dump-artistic-gif-27461597

[upbeat tundra]

idk im so bored of playing other specs i just want to play outlaw and its so bad

im really out here just doing keys on everything trying to find anything fun but im sitting here in dornogol staring at my screen on an aug evoker right now

[runic gulch]

nah they've fixed it, they just forgot to write it down obviously!

[upbeat tundra]

pls help man

[latent oak]

totemic enhance is fun

[upbeat tundra]

absolutely not

[hollow temple]

slam buttons on havoc

[upbeat tundra]

stop

[fathom bramble]

theater of pain Lich boss is so bad for the bug

you just don't hit all the ghosts on the 2nd time you stack

since there's 5 corpses still

I always assumed other players were just hitting them unevenly this whole time

but it was me

I was the one only hitting 3

[runic gulch]

i didn't even think of that tbh

i just assumed they were always too spread out

[upbeat tundra]

why would they even add this

[gaunt phoenix]

why not it's dmg so it should have threat

[upbeat tundra]

ur not wrong but like why

[pure pewter]

they ran out of other bugs to fix

[fathom bramble]

I feel like being able to deal damage without generating aggro has got to have some kind of abuse case

[vapid sundial]

Does it seem like a waste of time?
Yes.

but

[pure pewter]

rest of the game is fine

[upbeat tundra]

lol

[vapid sundial]

Ye exactly what i was thinking, waaaay more important stuff they could be fixing

Casual look at the pins here.

[pure pewter]

imagine reading the pins

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt expect the bf bugs to be fixed by COB monday

[torpid fiber]

this is crazy actually

[upbeat tundra]

y not just code it

[torpid fiber]

gotta go through code review and such

[upbeat tundra]

just push it to production it couldnt get worse right

[torpid fiber]

gotta test to make sure the tag actually is the issue

[fathom bramble]

gotta make sure removing the offending flag doesn't break anything

[upbeat tundra]

why test

[fathom bramble]

and make sure it's actually the problem

[dense bridge]

its a feature clearly

[tight kernel]

https://wago.io/YuicePURM/2

[vapid sundial]

its not about it being done by cob

its about it needing to be their prio tbh

cuz thats a very bad bug

[frail veldt]

Prob so you can't kill mobs without aggroing them

Sounds op

[dense bridge]

somebody say cob??

[vapid sundial]

you get out of here with your coil

no one wants it

[mighty pivot]

these fixes might've been worked from last week and only released today

[late swallow]

this is what mental illness looks like btw

[upbeat tundra]

100%

all through lfg in NA btw

absolute mental destruction

[late swallow]

down horrendous god be with you bro

[late swallow]

go back to outlaw king

we're a snapshot spec now

[upbeat tundra]

im in dornogol on an aug evoker rn

ama

[viral flume]

dont worry man im right there with you

literally in the same boat

idk what anything is anymore

or why im here

in game

[upbeat tundra]

all because they made us a button to kill ourselves

[late swallow]

bro it's springtime right now

just put the game down and go revel in the splendor of earth

[upbeat tundra]

i live in the desert

[viral flume]

but there used to be splendor in azeroth

also that too

[fluid iron]

im allergic to grass are you trying to get me killed?

[latent oak]

he said earth not grass

go roll in the mud

[upbeat tundra]

there is no mud im in the desert

its just rocks and dirt

[late swallow]

went on a hike today and napped in a grassy glade

feels so good to be in the woods

[viral flume]

it all started when they removed ua from multiple targets and cited the reason as "to reduce player stress on maintaing multiple dots at lower skill caps". and also reducing camera distance

[upbeat tundra]

i think my aug might do more damage than fatebound outlaw in keys come to think of it

no meme

[bright crane]

no thinking

just vibes

[late swallow]

[covert kestrel]

Bet the stars go 🅱️ razy out there

[bright crane]

exactly right

[upbeat tundra]

its las vegas the light from the city makes it so u can barely see then

them*

[late swallow]

you out in the southwest somewhere?

oh las vegas

[bright crane]

you live in the desert, i live in the dessert

we are not the same

[late swallow]

kinda rip bro damn

went hiking last summer in northern ontario and you could see the milky way

[covert kestrel]

There's some canyons over yonder you could hike

[late swallow]

we had one night when there was a meteor shower

[bright crane]

how do you like the f1 race going through vegas

[late swallow]

falling stars + milky way

transcendent experience

[bright crane]

i was there for the WWWY festival 2 years ago while it was being built

shit was cancer

[upbeat tundra]

wish i could ks in oncoming traffic

[past sky]

what does a KS "fix" look like? make it a purely cosmetic visual so it doesnt root us?

[gaunt phoenix]

[bright crane]

that would make it way more than cosmetic

[gaunt phoenix]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

like this

[tender wedge]

that, or tie it to blade rush instead of KS

[past sky]

thats what i was thinking, we dont actually travel

[tender wedge]

theres a few ideas thrown around

[upbeat tundra]

tired of the "lets figure out how to fix the game guys!" roleplay just put the hotfix in the bag and let me play

[tender wedge]

replace the entire spell with death from above

[latent oak]

over in the uk early this year u could legit see the northern lights pretty far south

and u could properly see it aswell not just through a lens

was sick

whole sky was shifting between green purple and red

[past sky]

that video seems like a simple fix

and it looks fine too

[tender wedge]

i think that fix is probably best yeah

[past sky]

i was so excited for this spell when it appeared in the beta

it looked so cool

[tender wedge]

it's still a pvp talent isn't it

[past sky]

but it felt terrible to use because of the windup

i think so

[tender wedge]

it's just whirling dragon punch for rogues

which has it's own problems

man the more i watch that no teleport version the more i like it

it still looks really cool