outlaw

[runic bough]

If

One of outlaws features is to have multiple bugs.

It never fails

[covert kestrel]

inb4 they fix GM bug without fixing BF bug

[bright crane]

alright guys i have to confess. im an industry plant. as a MSFT shareholder ive been playing insider baseball keeping ol down

[runic bough]

I knew it

Outlaw hater

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-laughing-laugh-meeting-slut-gif-3530109

this is us when we do class balancing

[runic bough]

The truth is coming out

[hard nimbus]

is it true that if you defeat later bosses: lets say mug zee and bandit mythic, the itesm from early bosses can appera in your vault even though you have never killd them before?

[latent oak]

yes

[covert kestrel]

yes, they started that so people couldnt snipe good gear from later bosses vault

[hard nimbus]

damnit

[proven ocean]

guys

@vivid vessel

i guess grandmelee is officially useless as it was in bfa

[desert tendon]

yo

dont talk bad about leech GM

it saved my ass

[proven ocean]

bro im loving sin rogue

in keys

its legit

the most fun i've had

since s3 DF

this double shiv build is crazy op

[shut lichen]

welcome to the club

[hollow portal]

do you keep crimson tempest on st with that build?

[proven ocean]

no

u can snapshot it tho

for bosses

make it do up to 100% more

this part, if you press crimson tempest in aoe + boss and the other pack dies instantly afterwards

that 100% bonus will stay on that bleed for the rest of the duration

making it very powerful if you refresh it with supercharger in that specific case

[hollow portal]

Ok so if it's just the boss it's not necessary to keep it

And the energy? Does it matter to keep it at 50+% as in bleeding?

[frail veldt]

staying above 50% energy is a big dps increase as assa

[desert tendon]

not with this build

it s a bleed build only thing to pool

[frail veldt]

ah I thought we were talking about that build

[desert tendon]

they talking about a no garrot build

imagine the cook

[frail veldt]

for the bleed build sanguine blades or whatever its called is like a huge %

EW

wtf

[desert tendon]

[frail veldt]

aite im out

some ryu shit

Also this grand melee bug discovery is actually HUGE as HO SC

cuz unless my adr dropped, I only ever applied BF once for like the whole key

so odds are I was NEVER benefiting from GM

now that ive started snapshotting it im doing 10mil like every aoe pack

kinda disgusting

[desert tendon]

will they fix it faster than double coup?

kek

[proven ocean]

no

delete that bro

wtf

??????????

its not even a big dps increase for bleed buildd

r1 wrong info spreader

its only a minor dps gain for bleed build

and for hybrids/double shiv build, you want to aim to be below 50% energy even then its prob about neutral

[frail veldt]

bro you cappin?

I mean you can just look at your damage breakdown

to see how much damage sanguine does

Also tell them to update their guide then

if its wrong info lol

[proven ocean]

bro

why would they update their guide

its a dps gain

but its just minor for bleed build

and irrelevant for other builds

[proven ocean]

yes and it consumes energy

idk why u think its free dmg

it is an aoe talent for other builds

its not meant to be a st talent

its rather trash for other builds

so

[frail veldt]

Hey man dont @ me I didnt make the guide

[proven ocean]

idk why ur just trying to be annoying here

wont bother

w.e

[wicked acorn]

0.2% or something lmao

on ST

which is the only place you fall off

[hasty pasture]

Absolutely Giga 0.3%

[covert kestrel]

Kir deft stay losing

[hard nimbus]

anyone got sims for new trinkets?

[gaunt phoenix]

They're not implemented

[cinder relic]

[gaunt phoenix]

[cinder relic]

@gaunt phoenix did u see that next expac is gonna be a scarlet crusade raid

[gaunt phoenix]

really

no

sally whitemane

[cinder relic]

its the rumblings of loreheads

[gaunt phoenix]

love that

[cinder relic]

A modern scarlet crusade raid as a first tier would go nuclear

Imagine priory except its a full raid

Except more racist

[light dune]

bro same it feels way better

im still super paranoid about the BF thing tho

so how the bug works basically is these little shitter mobs or just mobs in general in big pulls upon death can eat your BF damage for the pull?

is that like a happens sometimes fully replicatable just glitchy whats the consistency of that bug

[dawn tundra]

!log

[light dune]

also is there prekey snapshotting a BF with GM/AR to preserve it

does BF go away on bubble

[gaunt phoenix]

pretty sure the bug has been around for years so i'm going with "sometimes"

[novel socket]

what's snapshotting ?

[gaunt phoenix]

grand melee snapshots into blade flurry

which basically means if you gain grand melee, and then cast bf, then that bf will be buffed by grand melee even if grand melee expires

[novel socket]

oh

[wicked acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[novel socket]

okay

ty

[gaunt phoenix]

but the problem is that if you have bf active, that hasnt snapshotted grand melee, and then you gain grand melee, that grand melee damage bonus doesnt work until you cast bf again

[novel socket]

is that how its supposed to work ?

or is it a bug

[gaunt phoenix]

bug

snapshotting doesnt really exist in modern wow

or at least its not supposed to

[wicked acorn]

feral druid

[frail veldt]

crimson tempest damage bonus snapshots

but yeah its rare

[gaunt phoenix]

no reason to believe it should be part of grand melee and bf

[frail veldt]

yeah def not

[safe pasture]

could you theoretically fish for gm buff to snapshot pre key insertion ?

or does it clear

[wicked acorn]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

i think bf clears

[safe pasture]

damn

[gaunt phoenix]

but as soon as you get GM you can just cast bf once

and then it stays forever

unless bf expires ofc

[safe pasture]

so are we dropping deft then ?

[gaunt phoenix]

oh well HO doesnt use deft

[safe pasture]

i mean for KIR xd

[gaunt phoenix]

if you play KIR then idk

[safe pasture]

we droppin KIR confirmed xd

[proven ocean]

hard boss? saw liquid progging it a day or 2 ago

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR 2 FTH can technically remove deft but it doesnt feel great to remove

[frail veldt]

how much damage loss was it in dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[frail veldt]

wasnt too bad iirc

[proven ocean]

OMG SOLO DOESNT KNWO

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[wicked acorn]

AAAA

[gaunt phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071623449056915458/1204479291010850856/1089685999552036936.gif

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/haircut-cat-new-hair-cut-gif-26593762

[gaunt phoenix]

looks like he nicked its ear

[proven ocean]

lolol

shouldn't cut a cat's whiskers though

[tulip jewel]

[proven ocean]

i think it makers them drunk and lose track

like

they start moving sideways

till it grows up again

[light dune]

it looks like BF doesnt clear on key insert so I guess we could pre key snapshot GM? Not that its a particularly hard condition to meet on literally the 1st or 2nd pull

[proven ocean]

they have to be balanced

[proven ocean]

ye why not

[gaunt phoenix]

if it doesnt clear then sure

[prime ivy]

For clarity: is the assumption that deft is better because you would be recasting BF more and thus potentially “fixing” the issue or the opposite?

[proven ocean]

opposite

[tulip jewel]

overwriting it with GMless bf more often i guess

[gaunt phoenix]

you would have gm snapshotted into bf only to recast and lose it

[prime ivy]

Got it thank you

[proven ocean]

surprised we didnt know about this earlier ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

we are slacking !

lets retest every damage bonus in the game

[proven ocean]

wait

[safe pasture]

ok so how do you HO people not run out of energy non stop im slammin my keyboard and the energy just aint pumpin with me

[proven ocean]

omg

what if

oh

omg

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm sometimes you get rng fucked but you dont really get energy starved with the normal rotation

if you have haste

[light dune]

when your rotation hits you with the 5 SS's back to back

[proven ocean]

ok

i think

i found something crazy

[safe pasture]

got 19 unbuffed

[light dune]

doomer

[proven ocean]

for sin

[light dune]

go on zeross

more cook?

[tulip jewel]

try 1fth

[gaunt phoenix]

hard to say cause any rotation error like not using rtb immediately when you should, using ps in stealth when you shouldnt, losing killing spree casts from improper vanish usage could contribute to energy stuffs

[frail veldt]

energy is about the same on both specs tbh

in aoe KiR feels not very energy starved due to deft

but in ST HO feels easier cuz ambush cp value is high so losing adr doesnt hurt to much

[tulip jewel]

KiR i have to run cheat to not be energy starved

HO you can spam elusiveness feint as much as you want

[proven ocean]

ok

i'll need zac

for this cook

holy shit

[safe pasture]

i figured the dif just came from tight spender + more buff up time

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel tell me when u wake up

got a crazy cook for sin

@gaunt phoenix is there a way to track my current poisons poc chance

proc chance*

[gaunt phoenix]

is the proc chance supposed to change

[proven ocean]

thats what i wanna know

casting deadly poison (24% chance to proc) and applying it to ur weapons, still stays as a buff even after removing that talent

originally it is 21% chance

without that talent

is there a way to figure this out solo

or

?

@gaunt phoenix

oh

i can know how

1 sec

ye that doesnt work

it refreshes its poison instantly after changing the talent

(duration untouched)

assuming wound poison works that way though

because it does update itself after swapping to this poison

so i assume a proc chance would also be updated

or?

[wintry solar]

hey I just played that

boring ass spec

things die though so thats cool

[proven ocean]

ok i tested this on a dummy and the proc chances are exactly identical on same fight timers surprisingly

@vivid vessel if u wake up and see that i cooked something, the cook is uncooked and labeled as a microwaved cook so ignore this and go back to bed

[frank finch]

pasta and water in microwave cook?

or steak in microwave cook?

[proven ocean]

nah

i wish

this is like

microwaved raw egg type of shit

[haughty wigeon]

zeross

i want

i want

i want

dinar

for m+

[frank finch]

past and water might be worse ngl

[haughty wigeon]

cause i cant

[proven ocean]

idk

[haughty wigeon]

i cant do floodgateanymore

it wont drop

[proven ocean]

microwaved cake maybe is worse

[sullen wyvern]

I got invited to a Rok 14

[proven ocean]

or?

[haughty wigeon]

any trinket

[sullen wyvern]

[frank finch]

LOL

[haughty wigeon]

no mud

no pacemaker

nothing

im crashing out

[proven ocean]

me too rem

[haughty wigeon]

as im sdoing more overal than these monkeys

as vdh

i hate this

[hard nimbus]

My last dungeon slice sim kept at 8.14% buffed. I know its minimal but it keeps stacking crit and versa for me instead of additional haste.
Do I just trust the robot?
Sry if i am asking dumb questions.

[proven ocean]

@frank finch btw

i asked chatgbt

whats the most microwaved thing u can cook

[wintry solar]

popcorn

[proven ocean]

if u put a hotdog in there

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems possible without ghostly strike to go down to minimal haste

[proven ocean]

it wont be a hotdog anymore

its like

u have ur dick in a microwave and u place a grnade inside of ur cock

and it just turns into something else

[frail veldt]

mine still prefers haste to like 16% without gs

in dslice

[gaunt phoenix]

you can prob feelycraft getting more haste as you spend more on feint or some shit

[proven ocean]

i am trying to get some haste on my sin rogue ngl

idk how to tho

[safe pasture]

What’s the idea of running CTO for HO? Isn’t it pretty bad sense no KIR to extend good procs?

[proven ocean]

the good haste is prob gonna come with ilvl

shouldnt chase it prob

i love that sin doesnt care about stats

[gaunt phoenix]

imagine you roll 5 buffs without RP

you lose 20% dmg

[safe pasture]

so you just try to maximize the 8 secs?

[gaunt phoenix]

CTO is still pretty good

[safe pasture]

Gotcha ty!

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean if you have 5 buffs then CTO will only pick the remaining buff

[frail veldt]

you arent always in 5 buff

[gaunt phoenix]

well yea sure

[frail veldt]

without CtO I wonder what % of the time you have 5 buffs up

[proven ocean]

solo solo

guess what

jk theres nothing to guess

brb sleep

gn chat

[gaunt phoenix]

i literally dont give 3 fucks about sin rogue

gn

[proven ocean]

JK I WONT SLEEP

[dense bolt]

[proven ocean]

JK X2 IM GOING TO SLEEP

@dense bolt he is fake rem

only ur the real one

no cap

[dense bolt]

outlaw gang on fleek sheesh cuh

[proven ocean]

outlaw gang on fleek sheesh cuh 🧢

[gaunt phoenix]

just to be clear CTO is still a lot of extra buff uptime

it procs a lot

even if HO rolls over the buffs a bit

[hard nimbus]

Yeah I just feel weird coz I recently got the knuckle and the haste from previous weapon is gone but the sim is not trying to replace it. I was afraid I am gonna energy starved

[frank finch]

what in the actual fuck is wrong with you LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt even read that

[proven ocean]

idk

it was an example of how a hotdog would look like when it goes to a microwave

[wintry solar]

I changed shadowblades icon to dreadblades icon and then the game crashed and now the macro is gone

[frank finch]

[wintry solar]

AND

The db icon is nowhere to be seen

[proven ocean]

well

[frank finch]

i cant wait for outlaw wowhead article to be released then we get fixed and outlaw is back baby

[proven ocean]

its 9 am

maybe im overcooked

time to sleep

sun is up idk

weird

why is sun up

?

[gaunt phoenix]

• Fixed an issue where Blade Flurry and Nimble Flurry can target dead mobs.
• Fixed an issue where Deft Maneuvers's damage bonus wasn't working as intended.
• Fixed an issue where the Blade Flurry damage bonus granted by Grand Melee wasn't working as intended.
• Fixed an issue where Fazed debuff wasn't increasing damage taken from Blade Flurry or Nimble Flurry as intended.

leaked patch notes

[proven ocean]

doesnt it know im awake

or

[wintry solar]

and then we wake up

[frank finch]

HOLY

[safe pasture]

Awesome ty for the info I’ll try runnin it tomorrow !

[proven ocean]

is this real

[glass mortar]

I expect to see those first thing in the morning now solo

[proven ocean]

WAIT

[gaunt phoenix]

yes (no)

[proven ocean]

BLADEFLURRY CAN TARGET DEAD MOBS

[gaunt phoenix]

what

[proven ocean]

lOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl

[frank finch]

how long was from that dh article to it getting fixed?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's the issue we discussed the entire day

[proven ocean]

ah

[gaunt phoenix]

BF hits being weird

[proven ocean]

ye ik but

didnt know it targets dead mobs

thats fried as hell

lmao

[gaunt phoenix]

ye that's the reason

[proven ocean]

ye i was doing sin stuff

wasnt focused

wait

@gaunt phoenix

are u saying

we're not only target capped

we're

x2 target capped

we're capped to normal mobs

and

[gaunt phoenix]

well ye

[proven ocean]

capped to dead mobs from the normal mobs

[cinder relic]

Nah p easy

[frank finch]

LOL

[cinder relic]

Cool raid tho

It's cool for classic

[proven ocean]

what raid is that btw

is it like

a new raid

or

i never remember a hard boss in classic?

[gaunt phoenix]

if BF decides to hit dead mobs then that mob eats a hit and deals no dmg

[cinder relic]

Brand new sod exclusive content yep

[proven ocean]

it looks abit rough

ah

[safe pasture]

Is dungeon slice properly applying BF to dead mobs is the question

[gaunt phoenix]

no xd

[proven ocean]

ofc not i dont think so

why would it do that even

xddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[safe pasture]

lol it’s a joke xd

Sims cheatin

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw oversimming

[proven ocean]

duuuuuuuuuude

if they fix that bug

it'll be gg

lmaoaoaoao

[glass mortar]

It's OK the bug really only steals damage in the pulls we are already the most useless in

Uncapped with mixed hp pools

[proven ocean]

no wonder uncap outlaw would make us so op

[cinder relic]

Wowhead will cover 4 bugs

[proven ocean]

lmao

[frank finch]

[proven ocean]

@cinder relic when bladeflurry bug post

[frank finch]

we might catch an aura nerf if all those bugs get fixed

ngl

[proven ocean]

btw @vivid vessel no wonder outlaw was broken op on ovinax

cuz u moved perma

and dead bodies were always away

lol

same with larodar i suppose

we pumped that boss's ass so hard

[gaunt phoenix]

in raid dead corpses are cleared like immediately

i think

[proven ocean]

ye i think so

[wintry solar]

ambush and dispatch icons are too similar

[gaunt phoenix]

[proven ocean]

are u colorbnlind

[wintry solar]

I suggest this

[proven ocean]

good one

[wintry solar]

yes

[gaunt phoenix]

thats some classic shit

[proven ocean]

wait

is ur pfp yellow

or purple

or red

?

[wintry solar]

its yellow

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

its literally pink bro

wdym

[wintry solar]

its possible ive had my colors mixed up my whole life but I dont think about it

[proven ocean]

back in my older life when i was colorblind, to make sure people arent lying to me

i took a photo of the colorblinded pic

[wintry solar]

inconsequential since I never talk about colors

[proven ocean]

and i just look at it on my phone

and i can see the real color

works fine for me

[cinder relic]

Thought it'd be tonight but no

[wintry solar]

Body dysmorphia but not in an eating disorder way, in the way that whenever I blow my nose I feel like I should have a third nostril

[gaunt phoenix]

what

[proven ocean]

what

my brain left the chat

when i read that

[gaunt phoenix]

the bugs wont be fixed tomorrow at 8 AM now

gg

[wintry solar]

is it not that time of night?

[cinder relic]

gg

[fiery timber]

gg

[frank finch]

in time enough for reset

[wintry solar]

gg

[frank finch]

is fine

[fiery timber]

i mean

we lived with these bugs for years now

[frank finch]

vault , farm, outlaw bug fixes

[fiery timber]

its fine

[proven ocean]

Wait

[frank finch]

we might mass overdose

[proven ocean]

Guys

With the fix

They might soft cap us

[frank finch]

WAIT

imagine

[gaunt phoenix]

that seems unlikely

[fiery timber]

there is a chance ye

[wintry solar]

one step at a time

[proven ocean]

I think outlaw will be turbo broken if they fix bf+soft cap

[frank finch]

this bug is so fried the only way to fix is uncap

[fiery timber]

man solo pls

[safe pasture]

They just gona make bf hit only dead bodies next

[fiery timber]

let

us

berlive

PLS

[proven ocean]

I was talking to Zac the other day

Told him bf used to hit everything back in bfa

It was very op because of that

[random stirrup]

idk it won't fix outlaw's issues but if this bf bug has been in the game for a while it should make a massive difference on big pulls no?

[frank finch]

the gm bug itself seems big

for us ho users

[random stirrup]

like if ur doing 2M st and flurrying to 7 targets it should be minimum like 9-10M always

higher for trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

i suppose it's not really determined how often bf will attempt to strike dead mobs in normal keys

[random stirrup]

instead we have zac doing 6M with 6buffs

[gaunt phoenix]

you can def just have a big pull where it doesnt happen

[cinder relic]

I think ppl are going to ovestimate how big this bug is

[proven ocean]

This bug is very big in cinderbrew btw

[cinder relic]

yeh

[proven ocean]

Lots of yellow mobs with 1 hp

And it is the most controversial outlaw key

Of all tww

Idk I remember back in ptr

I legit kicked Zac from the grp

Cuz we couldn’t time the key

His dps was too low

[clear zephyr]

Are you guys still using your Circer's Circlet?

[proven ocean]

We stayed in 1st area for like 2 mins longer

For no reason

[gaunt phoenix]

no most geared outlaws have a good vers ring to replace it with

[proven ocean]

Solo have u checked how much ilvl worth is citrine in terms of raw stats?

Considering it does also have higher stats the higher ur mastery

[clear zephyr]

I've created 2 ring vers/crit , versa/haste. I'm already with enough haste 🙌

[gaunt phoenix]

naw idc

let raidbots figure it

[glass mortar]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[daring oxide]

Thanks for posting solo, this one has driven me mad since dragonflight!

I didn’t think it could be due to dead bodies

Always thought blade flurry just didn’t want to hit stuff at certain elevation or pull counts but this makes so much sense now for keys like ara Kara etc!

[frank finch]

and

realz was here reading it

and

a wowhead article detailing our bugs is coming out

[runic bough]

we are finally getting some attention

could TWW S2 be the time to shine for outlaw again???? Lets see what/if they fix.

Tune in next week for the latest Outlaw Bug news!!!

[fluid meadow]

let's bait players for reroll, and our performance will drop in avg hard, so we can get buffs too

[wicked acorn]

triple coup

[vivid vessel]

My vault is the exact same this week kekw

[frail veldt]

im sure the GM prob gets patched super fast cuz it can technically be abused as HO SC

gotta delete those damage increase bugs asap

[wintry solar]

EXPLAIN YOUR NAME

caps

uncap bf okay I get

obv

but what about gsw?

[cobalt mist]

it would be really funny if instead of fixing it they just uncapped bf because they didnt know how

just replaced the code with whatever literally every other aoe mechanic in the game is using

that's definitely not how it works[tm] but it would be funny.

[runic bough]

gsw only works for 1 pistol shot. Do you understand now?

all of the potential damage wasted because gsw does not effect all pistol shots.

[wintry solar]

right

but that also means that youd play it without ace

which you love

[runic bough]

I dont love it

[wintry solar]

like

[runic bough]

it would just be fun tho

to have an automatic shotgun

u feel me

???

[wintry solar]

yeah I gets

[runic bough]

[wintry solar]

im picking up what youre putting down

[runic bough]

like

Why do they hinder all our abilities

we wouldnt be OP

we would just be pulling normal numbers like everyone else

[wintry solar]

fth into gsw is really weird yeah

ace into fth into gsw is even weirder

considering neither of them work well with gsw

and then heavy hitter being where it is

[runic bough]

like im not gonna get into the rework thing cause thats what it all comes down to

but if they dont rework all they have to do is uncap bf and gsw.

gsw works for both single target and aoe, bf works for aoe increase.

we could use both if given to us better tuned.

[wintry solar]

preach

gsw but good would be so cool

[runic bough]

yeah and they could nerf it in pvp like always but give it to us in pve.

[wintry solar]

love priory

[wicked acorn]

where iss it?

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wicked acorn]

snapshot wa?

[fiery timber]

https://wago.io/YuicePURM

[midnight granite]

is kir not worth anymore?

sad

[vivid vessel]

Well ho just got a 10% AOE buff

Because blizz can't have a functioning game

Idk what else might be broken

At this point you need to check every spell in the game

This is pretty cringe

[midnight granite]

haven't played this tier, ambush feels like ass ;o

no deft feels like ass

someone cook up a bladerush build

[wintry solar]

fuckin

the underpin spawned in my delve and I glitched through the ground

"It cant end like this"

I agree Brann

[vivid vessel]

Wait till your realize defts builds can only press bf with gm up

Most cooked shit ever

[frank finch]

how do u abuse gm as ho

its lat eand im sleepy

[digital linden]

do u mean because we noticed kir is performing 10% worse in aoe?

[cinder relic]

Just making sure your BF gets snapshotted

HO doesnt recast BF a lot due to deft like KiR has to

So you just abuse the bug in the other direction

[frank finch]

does it stay on if bf expires

[cinder relic]

Yes, it's a full snapshot

[frank finch]

😄

[cinder relic]

IF you have GM, and u have BF active, u dont get the buff at all

If you have GM, and you activate/reactivate it, untill that specific BF falls off you will always have the buff GM provides to BF

[vivid vessel]

What

I mean because ho was not getting any value from gm

At all

0

When people understand they need to recast bf now

They will be doing 10% more AOE

For the whole dungeon

[hollow temple]

POG 😮

[vivid vessel]

Seems fairly massive to me

[hollow temple]

SUPREMACY

[vivid vessel]

Ye Pog

All the while deft is litteraly worthless because there is 10 bugs impacting it negatively

What can you do

[runic bough]

massive outlaw bugs or low rating hmmm

[vivid vessel]

Low skill

[runic bough]

😦

coming from zac

that hurt

[hollow temple]

one secret for me which helped me reach 3.3k+ as outlaw

do your own keys

xD

[runic bough]

zac your not my hero anymore

[wintry solar]

its def looking like a do your own key angle

[runic bough]

xD

ive been doing 11-12'

my own key

but cant get in 10's lol

wacko

[teal wing]

I’ve been doing 15s and can’t get into 8s

[daring yoke]

excited to see a new pins, and its more bugs,,, fuck

[hollow temple]

same xD

[wintry solar]

yayyy I love delves!

[vapid sundial]

Now you really are a dick head

[wintry solar]

[woeful otter]

i have a question about
""On the flipside, if you gain GM and then recast BF, then that BF will retain GM's damage bonus even if GM expires, it is seemingly snapshot into the BF cast.""

if we get BF snapshot, when will we lost it

[wintry solar]

when bf drops

[vivid vessel]

When you recast bf

[wintry solar]

whicher is first

[vivid vessel]

Well if you lose bf you don't have gm up anyway so

Xd

[woeful otter]

so it‘s mean if i gain this snapshot, i don't need recast BF when i gain new GM?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[woeful otter]

OKOK

[magic shuttle]

can we give current rogue this tech? kinda neat

[trail star]

that would be a huge QoL

[royal crane]

oh I have not been playing around with GM/BF

That's a good ass tip

[vivid vessel]

we didnt know about it till yesterday

[magic shuttle]

im leveling in cata classic and some of the things they did were pretty interesting

[royal crane]

so it just stays?

[lusty sparrow]

wheres the bugfix guy

[magic shuttle]

like how glyphs were talent points locked behind professions

[lusty sparrow]

get him in here

get him to work

[royal crane]

omg the pinned post is quite the journey

[magic shuttle]

outlaw is a snapshotting spec now

[royal crane]

so to understand this right, you get GM, recast BF, and then you just try to keep BF up xD

[magic shuttle]

ye

[royal crane]

God I missed getting Combo points from pressing BF, but I guess that's a trade off

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

i sent a log yesterday from s1

so its at least as old as tww is

at the very least

will see if i can find df logs

but you need a pack very big with shitters, where you dont move so

Ruby first pull maybe

[patent mirage]

bf is so strong it hits you in the after life too

[mighty pivot]

uncap bf but make it prio dead targets

[haughty wigeon]

dont worry guys

ive reported the g, snapshot for ho users

[cinder haven]

think we saw it in df too, just hard to prove without video evidence

it's probably quite old

[vivid vessel]

not that hard actually now that we know what we shouldl ook for

found it in a ara log not that hard

[vivid vessel]

i mean good

[cinder haven]

did we see if it's only during BL yet?

[vivid vessel]

its a pretty annoying bug

for deft

[vivid vessel]

What no

We said it's from dead mobs

It's confirmed basically

[cinder haven]

oh dear

[vivid vessel]

Not a theory

That's why it's only big pulls

[cinder haven]

so dead mobs also steal ur PC bonus

probably

[vivid vessel]

And that's why it's mostly noticeable in brew

[vivid vessel]

Funny thing is

Pc might be turbo bad

Cause of that bug

[cinder haven]

that's why we saw it in nw too

[vivid vessel]

Cause well

It never activate

[cinder haven]

little shitters dying quick

[vivid vessel]

When mobs die

[cinder haven]

yeah it was supposed to be our aoe execute

but...

[vivid vessel]

Or maybe it does activate actually

If you are already under 8

And one mob dies

Maybe you still try to hit 8 but pc count as 7

Idk

Would need to Check if we care

[cinder haven]

also wonder how long it takes before it removes the dead mobs from the BF

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt

or wdym

[cinder haven]

as long as there is a corpse in range it can keep eating BFs?

[rotund zodiac]

About dead adds affecting BF, any workaround it?

[vivid vessel]

ye i think so

[vivid vessel]

dont kill mobs

[cinder haven]

make sure everything dies exactly at the same time

[rotund zodiac]

Or can I hook out of the pack and hook back in to refresh bf targets (?)

[cinder haven]

really easy to do as outlaw

(no)

[rotund zodiac]

Buglaw

[vivid vessel]

Bf hits the closest target

[quaint wharf]

i wonder how pc interacts with this

you could potentially just not be getting the buff at all at the end of packs right?

[cinder haven]

Most likely it does work like that

[quaint wharf]

sounds like the talent is pretty useless then

i guess depending on how much its happening i wonder if its just better to just take deft for the cp

[long barn]

The puzzling cartel chips. It says you have to beat that difficulty of boss. Is that account wide or by character.

[vivid vessel]

pc is not competing against deft

[quaint wharf]

what do u think then

in terms of like, still keeping the talent

[vivid vessel]

idk honestly

[long barn]

Are we planning to do a wowhead article for all the bugs

[quaint wharf]

yeah i believe they said theyre coming out with it soon

[cobalt mist]

does sub's nimble flurry have this bug or is it literally just an outlaw problem

[unreal drum]

honestly how do we even get to a point where this line is in a pin

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1069013731746517065/1366326411312369684/image.png?ex=68108a21&is=680f38a1&hm=2359cc689006a6be29582a593fff7ad221c27bfc5ca73c9f7530aa471ca919b4&

what a meme

[runic bough]

i have the answer guys

we have no choice but to take GSW

instead of pc

[tulip jewel]

take both

[runic bough]

goodbye pc

hello gsw my sweety

[quaint wharf]

probably just gonna take gs instead

[runic bough]

or that

[quaint wharf]

gs cto

[runic bough]

gs and gsw

cto is like meh now

we just spam rtb anyways

hmmmm

yes cooking time we must

[vivid vessel]

yes

[cinder haven]

it was not a yes or no question

[vivid vessel]

well

yes no

[hasty warren]

yo

[novel socket]

any chances of getting wowhead to do a post about the bf bug and on top of that list all the other bugs that plague outlaw in a slim hope blizz notices them ?

[vivid vessel]

aoe bug post is coming soon

[novel socket]

nice

[runic bough]

gj zac

[tulip quarry]

That the worst shit bug ever lol, since they have a in game test for living or dead targets XD

[runic bough]

gj zac and solo and all of our TCers

[tulip quarry]

That just insanely stupid lol

[runic bough]

We are beta testers guys

Outlaw forever in beta phase

[tulip quarry]

Outlaw is the Star Citizen of WoW ^^

Never gonne make it past alpha :p

[runic bough]

[novel socket]

yeah but the coup bug didnt last even a week

hotfixed a friday night

those mfs at blizz

[runic bough]

well yeah if outlaw does normal dmg comparable to other classes its gonna be nerfed immediately

xD

[gloomy steppe]

i was a believer aswell guys.

[tulip quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-i-want-to-believe-spaceship-mothership-ufo-gif-9472798

[runic bough]

guys new single target build?

take gsw instead of heavy hitter

my single target jumped to 2.2 mil

from 1.9mil with heavy hitter

i forgot to change it to dungeon slice

and it simmed as single target

so we could also remove dancing steel for cto again.

nvm cant trade dancing steel for cto

we can trade swiftslasher for heavyhitter though

i really dont care for cto this expansion

lets see what this single target build sims at

[vivid vessel]

Why do you do this bro

Also you are missing one damaging node

Really you should stop the cook cuh

[tulip quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-burnt-jake-danteh-houston-outlaws-outlaws-gif-23804779

[runic bough]

[tulip jewel]

microwave cook

[runic bough]

yo yo yo

Welcome to Ryukage cooking hotline

[tulip quarry]

This build is like microwaving a pizza, you can do it, but you should definetly not, never ever

[runic bough]

its only missing cto

why do you act like its so bad

i think i simmed with buffs

so

false also

I am on laptop this weekend had to set it up with no buffs

[vivid vessel]

its missing cto and ss

[runic bough]

yeah i thought you might want ss also

but hh takes a non-dmg talent for 10% builder damage its painfuls

we could then forget hh and take cto and ss

thats 2 dmg nodes right there

instead of 1 hh

but it wont let us take cto

triple threat i guess

[zinc briar]

im done with outlaw

hate killin spree

bb

no damage on big pulls, dying with ks... bah

[raven condor]

Persist

[hasty warren]

I'm on barrel dutty guys 🥲

[vivid vessel]

What barrel

[runic bough]

barrel adds

on rik rik ah reverb

[novel socket]

its not even a complicated boss

wtf

[vivid vessel]

So they asked you to pad

And you are crying about it ?

[random stirrup]

what does barrel duty even mean really

dont you all hit barrels

[haughty wigeon]

We are respectable outlaws

Ethical

And good

[royal crane]

Unless you are set to kill the solo barrels spawning far away

[haughty wigeon]

Padding bad okay

[random stirrup]

if barrels die boss die

[royal crane]

which is more of a ranged job I fele?

feel*

[novel socket]

this is what i understood too

which is stupid

but rangers cant do shit this tier for some reason

[royal crane]

why would they ask a melee to do that

[novel socket]

because they cant kill the boss

[royal crane]

no ranged has instant burst I feel

[novel socket]

and they are getting desperate

[runic bough]

ranged are lazy since not many ranged mechanics this season

melee can multitask a lot better since most mechanics are towards us

[royal crane]

interesting take

I thought the multi tasking was used for bitching about getting mechanics and not being in range of the boss

[runic bough]

a sharpened mind is better than a dull mind sleeping

[novel socket]

they never have many mechanics

especially in dungeons

they just chill

[runic bough]

well he should be happy since barrels often spawn together anyways

more dmg than on boss

[novel socket]

meanwhile as a melee my blood pressure is rising because add does big circle around it and i need to stay outside doing nothing

[royal crane]

I might be wrong about this, but yes in general they just chill, but the BL pull in rookery in the hallway with the 2 big fuckers

I feel like every mechanic hits me if im the only ranged

cursed, jumping on me, spell casts, pull in, aaaaaarh

that pull also sucks ass as melee though

[timber knoll]

Gm what bones are yall rolling today

[royal crane]

The Peen bones be rolling brother

[vestal notch]

You can los as ranged tho, using the columns

[royal crane]

The jump or which part? the big circle yeah, but they just recast no?

[vestal notch]

Cast and jumps can be los

idk if they recast or not

[royal crane]

Well fair enough, guess Ill let my melee get fucked then

[vestal notch]

But wont be on you

[royal crane]

the circle gets recast

[plush flint]

is gear grinders spare keys a bait or actually good?

does 126 mil in 12 DFC, idk if thats just me not being good at using it

[royal crane]

it's not very good for aoe as I recall

[civic void]

Nothing is very good anyway

[plush flint]

according to bloodmallet.com its bis

[vivid vessel]

@cinder relic when article

[gaunt phoenix]

it is good

They buffed the aoe scaling of these dmg trinkets in 11.1

how much % overall is 126 mill? i mean trinkets in general are not doing more than like 1.5-2%

[upbeat tundra]

Check out this 15 I timed on aug xdd

[pliant wave]

Guys, if GM is snapshotted onto BF, does the GM effect stay on Blade Flurry even after the GM buff disappears?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes if you snap it

[pliant wave]

That's annoying...

[hasty warren]

aug

[upbeat tundra]

Yea it was pretty fun

Cursed comp

[vagrant saddle]

the lock n stalk does 6%+ no? st aoe doesnt matter its always blasting

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah tho it doesnt have mainstat so it has to make up for it in dmg

[vagrant saddle]

fair

[runic gulch]

Just saw the new pin, actually wild

Curious to know how these were actually finally caught and documented via sims?

And I guess this’ll have a knock on effect to precise cuts too?

[gaunt phoenix]

sims? i dont think we will put the bugs in simc

they were caught with logs

[runic gulch]

Sorry I meant logs

Haven’t had a coffee yet lol

[gaunt phoenix]

and recordings

Found a few times BF wasnt hitting 7 targets, bashed our heads as to why and then Loktark caught it was from targets dying

[runic gulch]

And what was the giveaway from the logs for it trying to hit dead targets? Blade flurry target count dropping in sync with add deaths?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye the main clip and its associated log perfectly matches that bf was hitting 7 targets until something died

[runic gulch]

Gotcha

[gaunt phoenix]

but this should really only happen in big pulls where some things die quickly and you dont move much

not sure if BF's targeting system will let it happen in <8 target pulls

[vivid vessel]

Hm

I think it might fuck with pc solo

We should check

Or not

Cause they will fix it

I believe

[rotund zodiac]

Anyone got WA to remind to recast bf because it’s unbuffed?

[gaunt phoenix]

in your clip where BTE hits 1 target

assuming your grand melee was working, then PC bonus didnt work

BtE hit is 1,566,760 if you factor out ghostly strike/fazed, then it flurried for 74% (75%?)

and 75% would come from BF + GM * nimble

so i mean it further leans into the theory that the missing BF hits are trying to hit something

[vivid vessel]

Ye I know

But in this clip there is more targets anyway

I was mostly wondering about packs under 8

Do you get pc when mobs start dying

(no probably)

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

U know the build I cooked for m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

ill try some smaller pulls later

[proven ocean]

Turned out it’s under simming

By a big amount

IC doesn’t work in sims cuz no subterfuge god knows why

It presses shiv 2 times in a row

And sometimes every 4 seconds

[vivid vessel]

Nice

[proven ocean]

Spreads like 10 ruptures on 10 targets for no reason

That’s the build

I did same as r1 udk dmg btw

Guess what zac

It does 2m pure st with bl

Crazy or?

And does infinite aoe

[cinder haven]

what's this build? sounds interesting

[proven ocean]

#1184888068264689756 message

[vivid vessel]

Ye I mean

[proven ocean]

I cooked it this week or last week I think

[vivid vessel]

It does more st than outlaw

[proven ocean]

I shared it now

A lot of ppl are playing it

[vivid vessel]

It's time people stop saying that sin does nonst in m+

[proven ocean]

I’m getting only positive feedback so far

[vivid vessel]

When it does more than outlaw

Xdd

[proven ocean]

Zac

Sin legit has

Highest St in my grp

On avg that is

[vivid vessel]

Ye well

I'm not surprised

1.9 is quite high

[proven ocean]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

People do like

1.6 to 1.9 nowadays

[proven ocean]

I was stunned for 6 seconds if u remember

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

And it was with feints and few downtime aswell

[late swallow]

Someone was saying whispyr is stepping down

[vivid vessel]

Assa players will still complain that their spec does no st btw

[late swallow]

Ross is taking his spot

[proven ocean]

I cba with apl’s

Won’t happen

[vivid vessel]

You don't even know what an apl is buddy

[proven ocean]

They always do

[proven ocean]

??

I do noob

[vivid vessel]

No you don't

[proven ocean]

??

It literally has a priority on what spells are being pressed and when

That’s it

[vivid vessel]

Ok quiz test

What is this |

[proven ocean]

[late swallow]

[vivid vessel]

Bro lost on the most basic question gg

[proven ocean]

It’s a apl with a boner

That’s what that line is

[vivid vessel]

Ain't even started

Eta fg

[proven ocean]

Idk why u think I write apl’s or what

I know how it works tho

[dusty blaze]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[proven ocean]

Zac

Ur brain was always sims

No logic no cap

[gaunt phoenix]

ye zac

sim brain

[vivid vessel]

Zeross

I think I was like

From the get go

I started by playing the game and testing stuffs

I have been the most feelcraft tc out there

Since I started

No cap

Idk why you call me a sim monke

I don't even know what a sim is

[proven ocean]

You were like that

[vivid vessel]

Solo am I wrong

Or

[proven ocean]

In df and back

Now ur different tho

[late swallow]

Good morning Solo

[vivid vessel]

I feel like I always been very game oriented

[proven ocean]

U were prob the most sim guy in the planet

[vivid vessel]

I just don't trust conspiracy theories

That's different

[proven ocean]

Ur like