outlaw

[glass mortar]

they r probably ho or haste flasking

[gaunt phoenix]

you can get away with 17% technically but it is not ideal

[wicked acorn]

Haste flasking feels bad

My Sims say no cyrces circlet in aoe

So we chilling on stats now 🔥

[proven ocean]

does ur cat play wow too

[runic bough]

yo guys

mugzee ice mechanic

can i move out the way or do i need to save cloak for it

one shot me

deaded

make me looks bad

never had it get on me before

oh i saw they are running in front of the bombs

but they also need to aim it at walls

hmm

[rotund zodiac]

Can’t cloak, get behind walls only(or bombs)

[proven ocean]

Ngl I’m proud of how ur able to get the most weird pfp’s ever

They look so interesting to look at

[rotund zodiac]

[runic bough]

guys name some tooltip mover addons

or options in blizzard options

I cant move my tooltip in center of screen

halp

[wicked acorn]

Yes

[tiny crystal]

Why does all the top outlaws in mythic plus play KIR when HO is stronger ? Sorry but of a noob question

[runic bough]

it adds more keybinds so they want more challenge than HO gives.

also getting a kir on a full row of buffs feels good

HO feels good but cto itself isnt reliable

I feel cto was more reliable in DF, but they say it was buffed in TWW.

so yeah

I dont like CTO anymore

kir gives some more control over rtb buffs

[empty patrol]

higher copium dosage

whatever u play the pirate needs a total body rework type of thing

[proven ocean]

I don’t know what sims the highest rn, but when it comes to outlaw people tend to not swap builds because they have to learn the other build all over again

[dawn tundra]

Hey, so I've been doing Delves as a bit of practice for raiding and to get used to doing the rotation and something I've noticed is that I'm running out of energy a lot. Is there a way I can mitigate that at all?

[torpid fiber]

better play; delves can be a bit awkward due to downtime as well and wanting to kite a lot

The more uptime you have and the better you play the more energy you'll have

[tough geyser]

guys how do i use supercharger ? i roll and i use at max combo my finisher but it doesnt consume?

[wintry solar]

that DFC dungeon huh

for sure a dungeon of all time

[dawn tundra]

Ah. That makes sense to a degree.

I notice that when I'm more-or-less standing still, I don't run out of energy as fast and I hit pretty hard, but moving all the time tends to fuck up my DPS. Same with stuns.

[covert kestrel]

It is used with any finisher at any combo point once you roll

[tough geyser]

ok thanks, i assume my WA has some mistakes then, doesnt tell me its used

[young apex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[untold yarrow]

whats the fastest way to get 4pc now?

run delves for hero track and cata?

or run m+ and gamba

[young apex]

you can only get one piece of hero per week from delves

• vault

[hushed glade]

Do you use slice and dice with outlaw i see it in talent builds but I'm using luxthos wa and cant seem to see it tracked anywhere

[fathom bramble]

there is a spec passive that makes you get slice and dice duration for free from dispatch

so you don't really track it or need to care about it

[hushed glade]

Oh thanks so much 🙂

[gritty barn]

is hekili useful for learning the spec?

knowing its very much just proc based i was curious

[untold yarrow]

not really

it'll be better to get a good WA pack instead

most of outlaw is very muscle memory, especially since rotation doesnt change aoe or ST

[mild escarp]

anyone got tips on getting accepted into groups lol? Timed every 12 but no 13 wants me. It's probably a "no one wants outlaws" thing but thought i'd see if there are any tips

[cobalt mist]

nothing you can really do

pick a different spec, class, or find a static

[wicked acorn]

anyone log review m+?

[runic bough]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

I dont think ive updated my wa pack in awhile

[wintry solar]

coudlnt be me

[runic bough]

just updated devlins

[untold yarrow]

whats the gearing meta

upgrde champ or ignore

[cedar kernel]

[vivid vessel]

Only thing you need to care about is not upgrading hc items with guilded

And even then at this point it probably doesn't matter for someone like you

[untold yarrow]

i meant for an lt

[vivid vessel]

You probably won't even get enough items to upgrade if you are just starting

[untold yarrow]

an alt*

[vivid vessel]

I mean it depends

[untold yarrow]

my main is like 669 xd

[vivid vessel]

What your alt has access to

Ye but if you are asking this

[untold yarrow]

its like fresh 80

[vivid vessel]

Your alt doesn't have access to shit

Right

[untold yarrow]

yeh

exactly

[vivid vessel]

Idk if an alt created today that won't mythic raid

Will ever run out of guilded

[untold yarrow]

lmao

yeah but i mean is it wort hupgrading champ gear or is tht just runed sink

are you 8/8m yet zac

[vivid vessel]

Ye for like 3/4 weeks now

[vivid vessel]

You never run out of these tho

So wdym

[untold yarrow]

i dont men running out of cap

[vivid vessel]

These crests are useless s

[untold yarrow]

i men being forced to do lower keys for those things

[vivid vessel]

Ah

[untold yarrow]

because i would need to upgrde all hero items

u know?

[vivid vessel]

No Idk

Just like

[untold yarrow]

and the cap is so high on gilded

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Well

Idk

[untold yarrow]

unlucko ig

rip bozo me

i stacked the most important pots anywy so im good

[cedar kernel]

what is this

stone potion?

[wintry solar]

inky black potion

the best potion in the game

[lean root]

at how much % versa is cap ?

[teal garnet]

1000000

[lean root]

so none

[vivid vessel]

@desert tendon https://youtu.be/7Pig74JXiBc?si=2ssQL8iz_jcXsTSU&t=153

[jolly geyser]

bought boe boots,was just 850k ish

[tropic zephyr]

[untold yarrow]

guys

?

send

help ?

[vivid vessel]

[untold yarrow]

im on my tank alt

healer doesnt know anything

stod in every mechanic

i had to solo blazicon from 30%

[hasty warren]

I think it appends to me once

[untold yarrow]

he legit just didnt move out of aoe on blazicon

refused to dispel me on worms

lmao

[dense bolt]

Did u look at brew log yet

[hasty warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1k90i4t/is_this_a_joke_this_specs_rotation_has_sub/ If only he knew

[vivid vessel]

i am rn

[vestal notch]

a guy in the comments recommended hekili

[untold yarrow]

why do people wanna remove RTB completely

just rework it xd

spec = bad yes, but as always reddit crying about the wrong thing

[novel socket]

because they dont understand outlaw

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

you here

who is smart and online rn

wahts the math on bf

[wintry solar]

I should go to a different specs discord and complain about it and offer suggestions that would completely eliminate the point of the spec.

[late swallow]

This is based

[vivid vessel]

bro

wtf is happening

bf doesnt even work

on dummies

[leaden folio]

just press button

[vivid vessel]

????????

is that new

[tropic zephyr]

4s are harder than 14 fr

[novel socket]

if it is we are cooked

dps loss bugs are never fixed

[vivid vessel]

i think its weird cause of the bags

oh well

uh

does anyone know the math on bf

@gaunt phoenix

wake up

[leaden folio]

isn't bug bc

rextroy or some exploiter

stack on these to one shot

so blizzard disable on these thing

i dunno

[vivid vessel]

red is initial damage
dark blue i remove gs amp
pink i remove fazed amp
green is bf 50%
yellow i add gm
blue i mult nimble flurry

is that the correct math

or not

or was it this one

[tropic zephyr]

tbf he isn't wrong about having to need WA to play the spec correctly

but the removing rtb part is wild

[vivid vessel]

wait the other one doesnt work

i need parenthezises

[latent oak]

gm is additive nimble is multiplicative right?

[vivid vessel]

yes

idk if gm comes before or after nimble tho

i forgot

but also whichever way im doing it it doesnt add up rn

[novel socket]

but isn't that true for almost all specs

[vivid vessel]

i need someone to remind me

[novel socket]

if not all specs

[vivid vessel]

how it works

[novel socket]

[latent oak]

bf is always weird on dummies i dont think u can use them as testing environment

[vivid vessel]

they fixed it this patch

i rmemeber we tested early on

[latent oak]

oh did they

nice

[tropic zephyr]

not really, outlaw you absolutely need a wa to track rtb containers and Unseen Blade

[wicked acorn]

what are these clowns saying 😭

[vivid vessel]

they aretn wrong

[latent oak]

if he didnt know about haste amounts

which isnt in the tooltip of adr

he would be starved out of his mind

[wicked acorn]

yeah true

if you arent in the rogue discord

[novel socket]

a comment said that outlaw only exists so "rogues can use 1h weapons and rp as pirates"

[wicked acorn]

youre sorta fucked trying to play outlaw

[novel socket]

and should be reworked

[wicked acorn]

its sad

[novel socket]

[wicked acorn]

😭 what is this thread bro

😭

[tropic zephyr]

"visually it is just not impressive"

kinda cringe

[novel socket]

[tropic zephyr]

but kinda true

[wicked acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585734084777476096.webp?size=128

[novel socket]

its not true

it is visually impressive

sure it could be better

but still looks good with the shadow effects

[tropic zephyr]

[novel socket]

[tropic zephyr]

omg the keybindings part

na

r/wow is cooked

bro all forums

are so cooked

[wicked acorn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

what if gm doesnt work

[brisk meadow]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

what if gm

doesnt work

am i cooked

i need someone smart to wake up now

[hasty warren]

kek

[hasty warren]

idk man

[vivid vessel]

gm doesnt work

[hasty warren]

y

[vivid vessel]

gm doesnt work

@gaunt phoenix bro wake up please

i need help

@fathom bramble

[novel socket]

zac is losing it

[wicked acorn]

wdym bro

the roll?

huh

?

[vivid vessel]

ye gm the roll

[wicked acorn]

why wouldnt that work

oh god

pls no

[vivid vessel]

and here it worked

nah

there is no way

[hasty warren]

another bugg ?

[vivid vessel]

LOL

IT

DOESNT WORK

[red zinc]

BUUG

[novel socket]

are you testing it in dummies ?

[vivid vessel]

ok i have definite proof now

look

[red zinc]

BUUG

[novel socket]

try in a follower dungeon maybe

[stiff glade]

On dummies only?

[vivid vessel]

right

fazed + gs + gm + nimble up

this is the math without gm

and this is gm

???

[red zinc]

dont know if I trust dummies when it comes to cleave shit

[red zinc]

Check in follower i guess

[vivid vessel]

works for everything else

i tested

natty bf

it works

i tested fazed debuff

works

[red zinc]

yeah I know

[vivid vessel]

gm debuff

works

nimble

works

gm ?

doesnt work half the times

and here i have a log

in m+

[red zinc]

dummies were so turbo fucked in end of DF I just have a hard time trustin

still

[cinder haven]

Maybe it snapshots lol

[vivid vessel]

where it doesnt work

look

at this one

ok

first of all

i only have 6 bf hit

ok

19 targets at range

but we will check this later

this is this bte

[wintry solar]

Everyone on the forums and Reddit does it and I'm starting to feel left out.

[vivid vessel]

you can check

all buffs are up

[cinder haven]

Is that why we suck extra hard on big pulls

[vivid vessel]

i have gs fazed gm bf nimble whatever the fuck

now tob

[cinder haven]

I feel we often do less than normal on those

[vivid vessel]

please do the math

on how much this bte is supposed to be doing

with all these buffs up

while you are up now

[vivid vessel]

this bte

please do the math so i know im not crazy

[cinder haven]

I’m busy

[vivid vessel]

wtf bro

@red zinc you are smart enough

do the math

@glass mortar

i need you

next bte hit 5 targets btw

please dare tell me im not at range

[cinder haven]

Should be 1.2m flurries right

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/live/rmhvLwZ5Hb4?si=XduGu85KwY_xDFkB&t=5528 im looking at this vanish window here

[vivid vessel]

or 1.15 depending if gm is before nimble or not idk

[cinder haven]

Unless there’s some other amp on the target

[vivid vessel]

except its not

and im also

not hitting

every targets

nah

this spec

is cooked

nothing works

4

4 BF HIT

[fluid meadow]

nah that's why i felt dmg low this week?

[vivid vessel]

IM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PACK

4 HIT

NAH BRO

NAH

HERE I PRESS BTE AND I ONLY HIT 4 TARGETS

NAH BRO

OKOK

NAH

[cinder haven]

What about the bf initial hit

[vivid vessel]

idk i think its this one ?

[cinder haven]

I’m taking a lil break from outlaw, playing a real dps spec instead

Bdk

[vivid vessel]

diff damage on eveyr mob so idk

i press bf at 29:863

i dont see any other bf hit that would match

ah ye im stupid

some of them are crits

so i rpess bf

i hit 8 targets

then i bte

and i hit

4

one gcd later

[dense bolt]

??

[fluid meadow]

yeah its like that, marked target target hit with bf

[vivid vessel]

ye my man

[dense bolt]

how is that possible

[vivid vessel]

thats so real

• gm doesnt work

yeye

okok

so all these times

where we were saying

bf doesnt hit all targets

we were right

i knew it

i knew we should have believed

in the conspiracy

just needed to look into it

[cinder haven]

But we checked this thoroughly

In df

[vivid vessel]

did we tho

like what am i doing wrong here

[cinder haven]

Couldn’t find a single log then iirc

[vivid vessel]

i have clip

math

log

what more do i need

• gm doesnt work

[cinder haven]

They could have broken it recently

That we checked in df proves nothing

[vivid vessel]

we could have missed it in df

who knows

every one of these gcd

is hitting a diff number of targets

so

[cinder haven]

It feels like it’s mostly in big bl pulls

[vivid vessel]

you could miss it and get a period where its hitting everything

bro

waht time is it in na

why tf are lok and solo asleep

[stiff glade]

It's like 7am on a sunday zac

[vivid vessel]

no way man

i have to wait so long

till they wake up

[cinder haven]

Unacceptable

[vivid vessel]

i woke up early to check the log btw

its 1 pm here

[proven tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8QtcqBTE5wXHWvoRQCWCfe
Should I trust the sim or just keep Cyrce and smal Haste gems and enchants ?

[stiff glade]

Bro, I'm considering coming back to the game these days, but just glancing into the discord for 5 minutes and it's all just new bugs being found ...

[vivid vessel]

ye trust the sim fuck cyrcle man

[stiff glade]

Pure nostalgia

[proven tiger]

waiting for see AoE simc. Without One arm ring I get 9% haste

[crimson coral]

!macros

[vivid vessel]

im so glad my spec works even less than what i tought

[proven tiger]

Cyrce did 180 mil in 11 DFs so ya useless

[vivid vessel]

you get rnged by buffs

and then you get rnged by bugs

we stacking the rng

[dense bolt]

prob just buy a lottery ticket

at this point

might high roll

[proven tiger]

this spec is for gamba addicts

[vivid vessel]

oh weird i did 6 mil dps on this 20 mobs packs

wonder what happened

oh well

must have gotten bad rng

[vague cape]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[proven tiger]

Can I somehow see all the macros the bot have ?

[vivid vessel]

help

!

[proven tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jVmSmU7uN5ovQ4tUjAMSF8

ya fuck Cyrce

[vivid vessel]

tbf

you should be simming the stat gem

but then the stat gem gives you the wrong stat and its annoying

just fuck this ring

[fluid meadow]

it's march log from u cinder, so since when is this bugshit ? don't want to check every log by dates

[vivid vessel]

i mean idk its rng tho

[runic gulch]

Yeah the roulette ring with the big vers is gonna out sim circlet even at 658

[vivid vessel]

this log im checking

is not working so

[runic gulch]

If that’s what you were debating on replacing with circlet

[proven tiger]

I am still gearing this char

so eventually gear will fix itself 😄

[proven tiger]

Cba simming 100 gems

if I had premium I might have but fuck that

[vivid vessel]

no i mean

legendary

is bad now

and in aoe you play double stats gems

[red zinc]

ill read the recap tomorrow ts out of hand

[late swallow]

[lavish rapids]

Hi, I'm new to rogue. Does anyone know why my stealth randomly break as soon as I take a few steps?

[lofty pike]

Maybe this weeks affix If it Happens in m+?

[brisk meadow]

!ambush

[ornate heath]

Since 10.2, ambush will now replace SS with an audacity proc, this means that you can bind SS and Ambush on the same bind.
Builds without HO still do not want to press ambush in stealth, to circumvent that you can use this macro:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[lavish rapids]

It happens everywhere, even in capital cities

[glass mortar]

ok im awake playing dnd why is zac crashing out

[vivid vessel]

read up noob

[glass mortar]

i dont have time to read thru all of it im playing dnd is their a tldr

bf broken?

[vivid vessel]

bf doesnt hit all targets

i have proof

[glass mortar]

ohj

the consipiracty

[vivid vessel]

and gm doesnt always work

[glass mortar]

do u have proof proof

like 100% proof

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

dm me whatever u have

the best proof u have

with logs and timestamps if possible

[covert kestrel]

How you playing dnd at 9am

[glass mortar]

i play with a german, 2 people from the UK and 2 people from canada

[covert kestrel]

Oh neat

I was like damn you got like a nyc breakfast dnd group or what

Lol

[vapid blaze]

outlaw saved?

[vivid vessel]

• deft doesnt work
• bf deosnt hit 8 targets in big aoe
• gm doesnt always work
• fazed doesnt work in aoe

its saved when blizzard wake the fuck up

[glass mortar]

ok so are we thinking this mighth vae broken in 11.1.5

because

[vivid vessel]

no

[glass mortar]

the numbers felt very bad for me last night

idk

worse then last week

like i was struggling to pull the same numbers i was a week ago

in every key

i never seen u do such little dps on big pulls with good rng

r u sure this isnt a recent thing

[vivid vessel]

meh idk

[vapid blaze]

tbh the .5 was insanely bugged right
dh also had some major shit

[glass mortar]

but

i did what i could

[vivid vessel]

i timed 17 dfc and 17 priory this week

[glass mortar]

all we can do is wait now

[vivid vessel]

doing the same damage i do roguhtyly idk

i mean

idk

i did do

legit

0 damage

first half of priory

and i didnt understand why

[patent mirage]

o

k

[vivid vessel]

like very sus type thing

let me find log

like i did 3 start of priory, first 2 i was doing damage

the last one, the one i timed the key

im doing way less

[proven ocean]

Hi Zac

Is outlaw still capped ?

[frank finch]

TLDR the conspiracy is back online

Ty

I’m done

[vapid blaze]

cant u find out if bf is bugged by averaging the hits?

[vivid vessel]

no i checked individual events

and its bugged

in like 5 different ways

i will wiat till solo wake up

[vapid blaze]

well more to find out how long

[glass mortar]

how much damage is flurry with trickster at 8 targets zac

idr

[proven ocean]

Idk if this is enough data

[vivid vessel]

idk this is the math

i sent you

[glass mortar]

no like the flat %

[vivid vessel]

nah this is anecdotal zeross but

i checked events

you can read up idk

[proven ocean]

U do have a boomie that does way more than monk

[glass mortar]

its multiplicative right

[proven ocean]

Ok

[vivid vessel]

i will make a summary post

[hasty warren]

is gm still bugged ?

[vivid vessel]

in tc channel

so i dont have to explain 15 times

one sec

[hasty warren]

thx zac u're our hero

[proven ocean]

thx zac u're our hero

[hasty warren]

[frank finch]

thx zac u're our hero

[hasty warren]

I will jump

[frank finch]

we fixing outlaw !!!!!

[hasty warren]

fix grappling bug first

[vast patio]

outlaw will work???

[hasty warren]

nah it needs 4 WA to play

[glass mortar]

i hope ur right i dont have time to go thru the logs rn

[vivid vessel]

idk

solo and lok is asleep

and apparently no one in here is qualified enough to tell me im wrong

/no one cares

so

[late swallow]

Mfw zac drops new bug lore

[glass mortar]

it feels right

[vivid vessel]

me when the bug lore goes even deeper

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-suck-sucker-sucking-gif-13638182052461067209

[glass mortar]

nah i mean at minimum

the GM being broken thing

seems right

even in the logs last night i wasnt considering GM

u had a 6 buff

ur BF was doing like 55% of ur attacks damage

thats aint correct

i was just reading ur logs at 2 am

and i stopped 10s before u found this BF not hitting enough targets

because reading thru outlaw logs time stamp by timestamp is fucking awful

xd

we have like 1000 hits a gcd

[vivid vessel]

:)

if all of this is correct

maybe we can get guy to pressure an article

this is unprecedented amount of bugs

that adds up

and adds up

to like

infinite aoe damage loss

[glass mortar]

the question is does this BF not hitting targets have to do with being beyond target cap

or is it just

pure random nonsense

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

[glass mortar]

like how is it possible

[vivid vessel]

it does seem to happen more often with more targets

i have a new theory tho

my theory is that

there is so many events

cause bl and 30 mobs

some hits are just lost

gone

bye bye

[dense bolt]

game cant keep up u mean

[vivid vessel]

i mean maybe its just log breaking

who knows

[glass mortar]

ok but

i dont think its possible

to do 8m dps

with a 6 buff

and all ur shit critting and proccing

on 8 targets

should be like 10m damage minimum if the math maths

idk

[vapid blaze]

imagine having to recast bf if you roll gm

[late swallow]

[glass mortar]

ok that last one zac showed me is a bit egregious

casually missing out on ~6m damage a global should do

[vivid vessel]

:)

[frank finch]

that last one is nasty work

bf hit only 1 target

[vapid blaze]

how consistent did you find that zac?
like in your logs

[vivid vessel]

like

i just picked a spell randomly

on this pack

and not a single one hit the right amount of targets

i didnt even have to look

i just opened the log

any bte

any spell

maybe im very lucky tho

[vapid blaze]

im going through some s1 nw logs (just the first pull)

[vivid vessel]

ye but idk

i think it activate sometimes

sometimes not

like sometimes i will be doing damage first pull right

like its working

and then this happen

[patent girder]

At what point does Keep it rolling outperform HO?

(in M+)

[vapid blaze]

i havent found a single cleave that didnt hit 7 there over several logs so
ill skim through some cinderbrew early season logs next

[hasty warren]

ho have higher highs and kir is more stable

[patent girder]

So when I'm doing 12s/13s, should I be running KIR?

[vivid vessel]

kir have higher highs

[hasty warren]

play what u pref, it depends also on ur build

[hasty warren]

realy ?

[vivid vessel]

ye i think so

the highs of outlaw is to proc ace right

just ace ace ace ace

thats when ytou do big damage

if that happens ho isnt doing anything

thats like you wertent playing with ho talents at all

[hasty warren]

isn't ho more able to spam ace ?

[vivid vessel]

ho can have more cp gen

[vapid hamlet]

KiR just seems to keep me at 5 buff pretty well for keys

[vivid vessel]

but thats also why it should have lower highs tho

cause less of its damage is in fnishers

[red zinc]

my sincerest compliments, zachary, you are as a beacon of hope within our community

[desert tendon]

when u say big damage zac

[patent girder]

i like both builds, but it just feels bad for the entire first 1/2 of a dungeon (priory) I'm so far below everyone else, then we hit the 1/2 way point and I'm starting to creep ahead. I'll start practicing KiR

[desert tendon]

u mean 6m on first brew pull?

[patent girder]

I've hit 12 mil.....once.....

[desert tendon]

we re not talking peak damage

[fluid meadow]

that's an urban legend

[desert tendon]

i once hit 88m personnaly

1st gcd in a pack

ez

[patent girder]

I've only been able to do it once with HO, usually I'm between 6-7m

[fluid meadow]

but with deft fix kir would easily outperform ho like in every season? meanwhile it's just not work and we use only for combo point generating with so much dmg loss

that 20% roll buff uptimes should pop up with kir, but what can do

[frank finch]

🕵🏻

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanye-ai-dance-gif-10750962854707581598

[rotund zodiac]

my sub ran out 😭

https://tenor.com/view/mad-no-money-broke-gif-12333690400092991540

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-billy-herrington-gachi-billy-билли-gif-22321922

[rotund zodiac]

I forgot to sell boost to have enough gold for next sub

[vivid vessel]

sell yourself

[rotund zodiac]

$20 is $20

[vivid vessel]

[rotund zodiac]

can friends mail you gold while ur sub expire?

[vivid vessel]

im not mailing you gold

[rotund zodiac]

no, I mean other friends. so I can start selling boost and pay them back later

guess I'll ask from guildees

[vivid vessel]

you dont have any other friends tho

taht wont work

[rotund zodiac]

😭

[vivid vessel]

wow player

[rotund zodiac]

real

[fluid meadow]

bruh what is this? unqualified performance kekw

[rotund zodiac]

not enough outlaw parses?

[fluid meadow]

nah rookery 12

smthing just wrong, many log no data, they hide bf bug rn

[raven socket]

Does anyone have a list or a site where it tells you all mechanics i can avoid with evasion ?

[dense bolt]

Maybe thats why the ”coup fix” was so obvious imo maybe something else broke aswell

[vivid vessel]

uh

no

that was litteraly middle week

how would they fix coup and break bf at the same time lol

[dense bolt]

i mean how does anything break at all

[vivid vessel]

more likely it either has always been there

or

11.1..5

[glass mortar]

ye idk

i do feel like im doing noticablyt less damage this weekend then last

but

it also could just be a case that something like being beyond target cap is what causes it

because that is quickly becoming very common this season

even in pug keys

start of the season i feel like I was in my target range more often

[vivid vessel]

this was this week

priory 17

and this one aswell

dfc 17

idk

[dawn talon]

atleast since season start, i thought i was positioning bad

[vivid vessel]

thats kinda the numbers i was doing before

without buffs

i mean

tbf

i was expecting to do like 5.5

in priory

cuase i have done that before in lower keys and shit

and before with coup bug

so i kinda expected that coming back in priory, higher key and more ilvl

i would be doing 5.5 at least

i didnt

but eh

idk

no buffs

rng

but also priory is like one pack above target cap or idk

not tjaht many

[hasty warren]

we had a spreadshit long time ago but it's not up to date since df i think

[vivid vessel]

what shit you spreading cuh

[hasty warren]

In m+ u can evade charges like 1st boss DFC and Hobbgoblin, le circle attacks of big adds on war pah in TOP

[hasty warren]

we had one during SL

with abilities we can cheat with cloak/evade

!def

[untold yarrow]

theres not many

they fixed the circle on the overseers in dfc

[fluid meadow]

i had this in rookery 1st pack rn, no lust 9 mob start, only had good RP uptime 90+, gm at 50% others at 30, this should the avg dps on good pulls to us, things are soo random

[untold yarrow]

how is boomie so low

this must be a low key

and the pack died too fast

or maybe 12?

idk

[fluid meadow]

12 yeah

[untold yarrow]

yeah idk how you mogged the boomie tbh its not giga high target

when stars align and we do giga dam its so good

[fluid meadow]

this was the bl pull at boss room 3 pack, exact same dps to me but no pot/orc racial

[untold yarrow]

oh no lust on first pull

that makes sense

[stable kindle]

what gems are best for cyrces circlet for outlaw

[vivid vessel]

stats, aoe proc, stats

[gaunt phoenix]

i too felt weaker than a week ago in keys

[vivid vessel]

solo

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

did you check

what i sent

i ntc outlaw

you have a bit to read

chop chop

[gaunt phoenix]

yes but i want to play oblivion

[latent oak]

its so good

[vivid vessel]

no bro

no time for oblivion

just take a look at least to confirm

the gm thing also

i wanna make sure its correct and then i can ask guy to go beg for an article

dh got their article

[rotund zodiac]

MINE!

[latent oak]

big gz

ive still never seen one drop :')

[rotund zodiac]

I was lucky to be the only agi 1h user in the raid

[gaunt phoenix]

dw i will check everything

[rotund zodiac]

(I rolled a 5)

[vivid vessel]

ty cuh

[gaunt phoenix]

i knew something was wrong in my keys lately

[vivid vessel]

how lately tho

i feel this has been a thing forever

[gaunt phoenix]

since the patch

[vivid vessel]

outlaw doing 6 mil dps on first pack

then 14 mil on normal packs

idk

[latent oak]

my overall has been lower this week, but i have barely played so might be rust idk

[gaunt phoenix]

ye i know that happened sometimes

[dense bolt]

let the cooking begin

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-chef-masterchef-lilb-gif-13910066

[bright crane]

Not like Blizz will do anything about it anyways

[dense bolt]

if bf is not hitting its intended targets

im pretty sure they will

[dawn talon]

'core rotational spell doesn't work at all' is usually pretty high on the list

of things to fix

[bright crane]

Usually

But not for us

[vivid vessel]

guy will have wowhead write an article

for us

we have like

5 aoe bugs rn

that are adding up

dh got their article

surely we can get similar

[hasty warren]

gm + deft + ?

[cinder haven]

Their bug got fixed within a day after the article or something right?

[dusk veldt]

How do I use Junkmaestro's Mega Magnet?

[hasty warren]

dh is loved by blizzard also

[dawn talon]

what

havoc is consistently buggy

[hasty warren]

when u want to do damages

[dusk veldt]

charges doesnt matter?

[latent oak]

just make sure it doesnt cap out on charges

and u dont lose damage

[hasty warren]

y

[dawn talon]

no, damage equals out for the mostpart no matter when you use it

so if there's a damage amp or w/e u can hold

but otherwise just hit it whenever

[dusk veldt]

ok, thx 🙂

[vapid blaze]

dw coup gets fixed midweek
this will wait till 11.2

[fluid meadow]

yeah hope they won't drop this into the bin, like low outlaw playerbase who cares to fix, so no fix no players no fix

[daring oxide]

I’ll write it for wowhead if no volunteers, for free

[long barn]

Woah. I thought I was going crazy. Something definitely happening.

[hasty warren]

we are less played than survi in m+

I saw 1 sruvi this season

[vivid vessel]

Ye it was fast

[fluid meadow]

but we are above augs at least

[hasty warren]

aug is like <0.1% played

almost <0.01%

[fluid meadow]

still too much

[hasty warren]

real

[long barn]

Even with all these bugs, I still think I can edge out a M+ 0.1 title

[fluid meadow]

idk they should just full rework aug into tank, the game has 6 tank and 7 healer spec, idk why they released that for support spec

[hasty warren]

a tank mail can be so cool

remember before aug release I though it would be a tank

and no we had a cumshock that polarized the meta for 3 season 🙂

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel ?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna come 17 darkflame btw

[vivid vessel]

i cant im getting my monk boosted

also as you may have noticed

outlaw is bugged

and does tank damage

[glass mortar]

im leveling an arcane mage rn

[past falcon]

question for u gamers

is there something abt rogue that fucks with the bubbles skip in floodgate

like am i somehow griefing or is it just that sketchy bc ive seen it fuck up on warlock gate, nelf meld, etc

[vivid vessel]

nah

just let your tank do his thing

[past falcon]

yea

ive never done anything wrong in my life so that tracks

[proven ocean]

nice

love to hear that

[autumn kayak]

How can this action be executed if I don’t have loaded dice talent? I’m using default HO Trickster Raid build from icy veins and only 2 pcs set

[frank finch]

we just have to wait for solo to beat oblivion and then outlaw is saved via wowhead article

[tacit orchid]

i never understood, why is outlaw capped to begin with? would BF be too strong?

[vivid vessel]

no it wouldnt

[tacit orchid]

why not allow outlaw to do the same damage as a ret in first pull of brew?

[vivid vessel]

ask blizzard

[bright crane]

because yes

[glass mortar]

if u dont have new season 4set u run loaded dice

and trickster is not great

probably still ok in aoe i guess

[past falcon]

i just read through chat, ya ive been seeing the exact same shit, esp in the difference between 1st and 2nd pulls in keys. thought i was actually going insane

[late swallow]

Nice writeup in TC zac

This shit goes deeper than I thought

Maybe Ryukage was right all along

[glass mortar]

if something is wrong it is almost certainly a bug

[late swallow]

The zionists at blizzard don’t want to see outlaw win

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

are you sure you dont have loaded dice talent? cause it is used without tier

but also rtb_buffs.will_lose<=buff.loaded_dice.up evaluates to rtb_buffs.will_lose<=0 or rtb_buffs.will_lose<=1 if loaded dice is up or not

So if you dont have loaded dice, it will still roll if rtb_buffs.will_lose<=0

[late swallow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/h0nnq5vwCgc?si=TsXK74jyxIQsSNJg

This is @vivid vessel

But with outlaw

[vivid vessel]

[reef forge]

can someone give a tldr for new millionth potential bug?

[gaunt phoenix]

tldr blade flurry damage bonuses / number of targets hit within range needs investigating

[vivid vessel]

big thing is bf not hitting every target in range

[reef forge]

wait so we could potentially not even be hitting 8 targets?

[vivid vessel]

well

like

I was hitting one target

in a 20 mob pack

so ye

thats a pretty rough hard cap

ngl

[reef forge]

ok got that excuse memorised, ty

[red zinc]

Shorter list than in df

Shoutout lizzard

[reef forge]

thats for one button

[late swallow]

My shitpost about hardcapping outlaw to one target is finally real

Incredible

[reef forge]

hardcap us to 1 and just let us do 6m st

[analog fog]

This feels bugged since long time I remember 1st pull everbloom 0 dmg

[autumn kayak]

Thx for response! Yes, no loaded dice. And how does rtb_buffs.will_lose work? It counts how many rtb buffs will expire in next seconds?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes it's been a thing for a while i remember blackrook hold bats

we tried to find logs with it in df though actually couldnt really find it happening

not sure if something happened in 11.1.5 to make it happen more often

[gaunt phoenix]

it's how many buffs will be rolled away by the next rtb

in this case it just accounts for buffs from Count the Odds that will stay behind when you roll

which only happens if they are a greater duration than your normal buffs

so if you have 2 normal buffs at 5 seconds remaining, and a CTO buff at 9 seconds remaining, if you press RTB then the CTO buff does not get rolled away

but if the CTO buff was like 4 seconds remaining then it would get rolled away

https://wago.io/TIgC_QiQz this weakaura shows you this btw

[autumn kayak]

Thanks again! Where can I read about things like that? Couldn’t find it in simcraft documentation

[gaunt phoenix]

red or blue border = "will lose"

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not documented unless you read the source code

i should update this https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/Rogues

the actual mechanic itself is explained in my #outlaw-faq

[west ridge]

so you are telling me thayt ion big pulls we are doing less dmg than we are suppose to be

holy shit man

this spec is cursed

[gusty moon]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[gusty moon]

guys do you have plater Zac or zeros ,

?

Q

[proven ocean]

i use ceverion plater

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[distant terrace]

can I use bleed build for raid

[cinder relic]

No

[distant terrace]

💔

swap IC for KB perhaps?

[cinder relic]

No the bleed build does terrible st

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel don't u like microwaved steak

i remember u used to make alot of them between keys in DF

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

i did back in the days

good old days

[stable kindle]

whats the best embelishment for wep

[proven ocean]

@lone crow

dont u do it anymore or

[vivid vessel]

no cause now i have a thing to cook

[proven ocean]

bro theres no way

microwaved steak

[vivid vessel]

back then i only had a microwaved

[proven ocean]

is legit cooked

[vivid vessel]

ye it cooks fine

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

"IT COOKS FINE"

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[vivid vessel]

you never know till you try buddy

its just hard to not transform it into nothingness

but once you get it

[proven ocean]

ye ye zac knows whats up

[vivid vessel]

its alright

[proven ocean]

microwaved steak

gordon ramsay left the chat

[vivid vessel]

you need some water and shit

and ye idk

it just cooks

[proven ocean]

water for what

to make the steak not be a rock

or what

[vivid vessel]

the steak

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

NO WAY UR

PUTTING WATER

INTO THE STEAK

AND UR MICROWAVING IT

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

thats the most cooked shit

i've ever heard in my life

like

do u even realize

the word cooked

was a joke from people cooking bad food

but

ur the guy

who cooks the cooked food

?

[vivid vessel]

ye

I mean

[proven ocean]

[lone crow]

wait i thought zeross was memeing

wtf