outlaw

[glass mortar]

no i mean like its not up to u

not its not in YOUR hands smelly

our variance on short fights is way up this season

cause of the tier

[reef forge]

like gorechop i'm top dam but i'm like 10-15% behind on boss damage

its so int

[vivid vessel]

outlaw isnt doing particular boss damage rn

especially on bosses where you cant just send ks whenever

[reef forge]

its feeling rough, i eventually get invited to a 17 and i'm doing healer damage to the boss and inting the keys

think its time for a break

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna do some keys

15-17s

[vivid vessel]

nah not rn

and i told you i wont play with you high keys

i dont wanna die on cd and look like a fool

outlaw isnt the spec rn

• tank damage

[proven ocean]

nah not doing high keys nnow

i just want to test some sin keys

[desert tendon]

zac 😔

[proven ocean]

i cooked new build

[desert tendon]

you alrady a fool

[proven ocean]

we can go triple outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ye not feeling it rn anywya

[proven ocean]

triple rogue*

if u want

[vivid vessel]

later maybe idk

[desert tendon]

did i hear triple rogue

[proven ocean]

ok

im gonna save this one for me tho

gonna fap to it everyday

[vivid vessel]

why

[proven ocean]

@late swallow wanna join

[vivid vessel]

[desert tendon]

just pull 8 mobs max per pack

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-gif-6188586

[desert tendon]

yes you still gonna be last dps

but above tank at least

😔

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[untold yarrow]

real gooners never stop

[warm remnant]

is there any dungeon where removing precise cuts over ghostly strike is better?

to get cto

[glass mortar]

raw dps wise? probably not honestly

but there might be some places its "more effective" depending on ur comp

[warm remnant]

trying in priory rn, feel like there is never low target count there except first boss

[glass mortar]

well every pack has low target counts as u start to kill stuff off, and theres quite a few packs with mismatched hp in that key

idk i think PC is probably just more dps in every dungeon rn, it just sucks

@vivid vessel culd weight in better then me prob tho the highest keys im trying r 14s rn

[vivid vessel]

idik

i still have no idea

if pc is good

or not

[late swallow]

If they uncapped outlaw then they’d have to change PC

Better keep outlaw capped

Too much work

[runic bough]

guys how do i read this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qmpzoy28Zw9n7bkkSyAG6A

Do i take current build or spec into my gsw/pc/deft

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel bro

no way

im doing 10-20m dps every pull

with this build

[vivid vessel]

thats the same

one

you keep sending

[proven ocean]

wdym the same

[vivid vessel]

every day

[proven ocean]

????????????

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[proven ocean]

open ur eyes

for once

only

1 item

zac

only 1

plz

ok

?

there are 4 different talents

4

not 1

4

[proven ocean]

YES I COOKED IT TODAY 5 AM

[vivid vessel]

i see

[proven ocean]

THAT ONE IS WITH GARROTE

??????????????????

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

"you keep sending it everyday"

BRO

WDYM

EVERYDAY

[patent mirage]

The voices

[proven ocean]

I COOKED IT TODAY

MORNING

AND

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

I SAID

[vivid vessel]

the voices ! !

[proven ocean]

I WANT OT TEST IT

AND ITS CRAZY OP

LMAOAOAO?

why is this build doing infinite aoe

i dont understand

[proven ocean]

its doubling crimson tempest dmg

(spatter)

im convinced this build is heavily undersimming

lmao

this is legit crazy

and does insane st

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

legit higher than sub

on st

not even kidding

xd

[vivid vessel]

i think sin is perma undersimming every tier no cap

they cant keep getting away with it

[proven ocean]

this build

is crazy

bro

like

[runic bough]

GUYS

sim this aoe spec i mades

+54k for mee

[vivid vessel]

its simming lower in your own sim buddy

idk what you trying to cook again

[runic bough]

okay well thats what i was asking why it says +54k

[vivid vessel]

ok but did you check the top build tho

it says +54k cause you changed half your gear idk

also

isnt this lik

shadowland flasks

or smth

[safe pasture]

does anyone know what the least ammount of targets precise cuts applies to

[vivid vessel]

2

[safe pasture]

ty !

[vivid vessel]

at 2 target you are cleaving for about 100%

bit mroe with gm

[safe pasture]

you the man couldnt find it anywhere

[vivid bluff]

how is the gally hc wep performing vs crafted dagger in oh?

sim shows its better in patchwerk 5min but duno for keys

[vivid vessel]

sim slice for key

[runic bough]

hmmm

oops wrong flask

lemme fix

[vivid bluff]

hm -3k dps

[runic bough]

yeah in bis gear it said take gally wep

over the stats dagger

[fading hatch]

silly outlaw dinged 30 seconds ago question. does it matter if i craft mace or sword?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[fading hatch]

ty

[vivid vessel]

mace is ugly

[glass mortar]

just dont craft an int item

[vivid vessel]

sword is cool

[glass mortar]

they will not refund u

[hidden bay]

guys

whats happening to crafted gear?

when shit is getting +6 ilvl

[glass mortar]

may

[runic bough]

in 2 weeks or something

[glass mortar]

like 2 or 3 weeks idr

its on wowhead

all gear is getting +6 ilvl tho

[hidden bay]

i didnt read

[glass mortar]

all gear herioc and up

[hidden bay]

so crafted gear just gets upgraded ?

[gaunt phoenix]

i thought you asked 'what' not 'when'

[fading hatch]

i will double check this lol ty

[glass mortar]

no u gotta recraft it

[hidden bay]

i did yes

but ppl cant read apparantly

except you

[glass mortar]

the second sentence

is why we thought u were asking when

anyway we answered both

the vendor has a new item

u gotta recraft all ur stuffs

to +6

[gaunt phoenix]

but yes you can recraft them at higher ilvl

[glass mortar]

the crafting cartels always win

[hidden bay]

fucking crafters man always getting fed

[glass mortar]

dont believe the item costs crests yet tho? maybe its on ptr

i didnt see it on the wowhead post

[runic bough]

soooooo i guess gsw pc does more burst

because ace is over time damage

[glass mortar]

wat

[runic bough]

like ace is a proc right so its over time

[glass mortar]

so is gsw

[runic bough]

gsw and pc is stacking

[glass mortar]

ace and pc also stack

[runic bough]

yes but ace is a proc for 1 bte

meanwhile gsw is doing more dmg

[glass mortar]

where gsw is a proc for 1 pistol shot

[runic bough]

what

[glass mortar]

gsw is just numerically inferior to all our other talents really im not sure why u wanna make it work so hard

it doesnt add anything to the rotation

if u wanna drop ghoslty theres just better talents to take

[runic bough]

cuz with this gear each gsw shot is 1 bte dmg

[glass mortar]

its not like GSW adds some gameplay or something sims cant calculate

[runic bough]

its a faster form of bte dmg

[glass mortar]

thats not how talent values really work but ok

[runic bough]

3 shot bursts of bte

[glass mortar]

this is why we use calculators

[runic bough]

yes yes

[glass mortar]

gsw only effects the first shot of PS of a fth cast

u know that right

it doesnt effect all 3

[runic bough]

but im just saying gsw scaled to our bis would be nice if we could take it

it doesn't seperate gsw vs regular pistol shots in the meter

so cant see how often it procs

[glass mortar]

u get a single gsw everytime u bte

[runic bough]

hmm

[glass mortar]

it does not stack so if u dont PS before ur next BtE they get wasted

and it only impacts 1 pistol shot

not the 3 that fth send

2 of them will be regular

[runic bough]

maybe its bug

i see 900k 3 times

zac should test it

[glass mortar]

r u sure u didnt see like

1 PS "hit" and 2 PS crits after

[fading hatch]

does focused lens embellishment scale with ilvl? would i be trolling myself a bit putting it on the 658?

[glass mortar]

with the 1 being buffed by gsw

[glass mortar]

no

[runic bough]

ill have to test it again with this new gear

[glass mortar]

embells dont scale with the ilvl of the item thry r on

[runic bough]

and watch if its bugged

cuz i didnt know gsw is only 1 ps

[glass mortar]

ye always has been

and what i just said makes sense

[runic bough]

ye

[glass mortar]

theres a GSW PS

1m, 360k, 131k

not hard to test

[runic bough]

😦

[glass mortar]

GSW might be numerically good enough to play if it effected all 3

but it never has since we gained fth so

i assume its intended at this point

[runic bough]

UNCAP BF AND GSW!!!!!

hey guys new slogan

new*

[glass mortar]

at the very least GSW should probably stack a few times

so u dont just piss away dozens of them

during crackshots

its design was never updated as law got updated

bit unfort

[runic bough]

like everything else outlaw has

sounds typical ye

ty weran

i will make new slogan now

new slogan active guys

so are you guys taking 1fh and deft

i think zac told me to take it before

the faq doesnt take deft

2fh and swiftslasher

i was playing deft and remind me of old outlaw

we could also put swiftslasher on deft

hmmmm

keeping 2fh

[glass mortar]

for what build

all of zacs stuff is in the context of kir

HO never takes 1 fth

and should probably never take deft

[runic bough]

what about this

taking away swift for deft

maybe boss dmg will suck even more without swift

[untold yarrow]

why is zac doing tank dam on ovr again

😦

[runic bough]

damn

i have to farm 300 gildeds

gonna take a week a 2

to catch up

[glass mortar]

theres no reason to take deft as HO other htne u really love playing with it

its a dps loss over the next best talent in pretty much every situation

[untold yarrow]

sadly this is true

i love deft though

one of the better small changes to outlaw made in DF

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon

[runic bough]

yeah full cps is fun

with deft

but ill change it back to swift or triple threat

those also seem worthless though

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GHOSTLY STRIKES ONLY 0.72% HAS TO BE BAD MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

SINISTER STRIKE 2%??!?!?

TIME TO UNBIND SINISTER STRIKE

GG

ONLY PRESS BF CUZ ITS OUR MAIN DPS

EZ

?

thats what censi thinks

[untold yarrow]

why dotn we just press bf

for max dam

[proven ocean]

about kingsbane dmg

[untold yarrow]

???

[proven ocean]

[proven ocean]

kingsbane 4%

very bad

[desert tendon]

zero

idk sometimes if your name means you re zero iq

[glass mortar]

🙂

[desert tendon]

🙂

[runic bough]

[proven ocean]

x d d d

x

d

d

guys

censi thinks 10% on pure st is useless

help plz

someone help

me

explain

how op

kingsbane is

in keys

1 talent

= 10 % dps

[glass mortar]

is it really only 10% st dps

thats weaker then ghostly strike

kingsbane worthless frfr

[proven ocean]

ghostly strikes costs energy

and i dont think that thing is 15% too

[glass mortar]

its not

on st its like 12%

on aoe its like 1.2%

[proven ocean]

so they're about the same exactly the same

x

dd

kingsbane is stronger

than ghostly

in keys

[random stirrup]

well you see zeross, it's not just a talent = 10% dps, you are also investing a global and your shiv charges in order to further buff kingsbane, therefore the opportunity cost means it is less than 10%

[proven ocean]

cuz its good in aoe

[glass mortar]

probably ghostly doesnt rlly scale with aoe at all

[proven ocean]

its not like shiv buffs only kingsbane that way

xdd

it still buffs ur envenoms u know

[random stirrup]

could be saved purely for DN envenoms

[proven ocean]

DN never procs during kingsbane

it just leaves the dungeon and waits for kingsbane to expire

[random stirrup]

the real crazy thing there is topping boss dmg on a dmg amp boss with an arcane mage in the group

did he full pop on shields or what

[plucky rose]

There's a macro that consistently reduces cd through ruthlessness, anyone know about it?

[surreal flower]

That sounds like the old snd macro

But that’s been fixed for a long time

[glass mortar]

u might be an expac too late

[proven ocean]

yea he depleted our key doing that

[glass mortar]

er bug was fixed (and also er is gone)

[plucky rose]

I see that zac is using

[proven ocean]

check our this dmg

[glass mortar]

do u have a clip

[proven ocean]

@cinder relic am i too old if i dont care about logs anymore

or what

i feel like logs are legit fake nowadays

[random stirrup]

you can press a cancelaura slice and dice macro to spend excess cp and sometimes get lucky and continually proc the 20% chance off 1 cp but it won't be infinite

[proven ocean]

like

if ur parsing 99s and stuff

its np

but

100s guilds ask you why do u have 100s

ur usually pure padding nad ignoring mechanics

and*

[cinder relic]

LOOOL

I've been saying this for years

[plucky rose]

thanks

[cinder relic]

Since like, aberus

[proven ocean]

like

im checking alot of top guilds

[cinder relic]

Too much of parsing is being in a bad guild on aoe fights. Or playing builds that are shit at actually killing bosses but are mega good at padding

[proven ocean]

they have really "shit logs" if u look at it in a way where 100s means ur a good player

but in reality

they all know how to play

lol

its just parses are just based on different things 24/7

so its just purely fake

[cinder relic]

I mean think about one armed bandit

How do u parse on that fight if u have a guild that knows how to play the game

They just eat the damage

[proven ocean]

true

[glass mortar]

logs have always been like this

[cinder relic]

Or ovinax

[glass mortar]

i only care about logs on prog if ur early progging bosses

[cinder relic]

Like how do u parse on ovinax when u have double warrior double fdk

[glass mortar]

and even then if u get a purple on prog kills

ur probably playing pretty well

[proven ocean]

[glass mortar]

the way u play to get logs on any fight with aoe is almost always not the way to make the fight easier

[proven ocean]

ngl like

[glass mortar]

same for st to an extent since st fights r just the more u ignore/cheese mechanics the better u do

[proven ocean]

if ur doing good dmg

[vivid vessel]

i care about parsing cause its fun and the only thing to do in farm

[proven ocean]

logs just become irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

if you dont care about parsing in farm what are you even doing

you just login

wait till raid is over

or what

[proven ocean]

idk why u think logs are the only thing u do in raid

ur probably not having alot of fun in raids

[vivid vessel]

in farm?

[proven ocean]

ye in farm

[glass mortar]

cant imagine caring about parsing on some of these fights

me when r1 parses for law are like 50% BF damage

on alot of these bosses

[proven ocean]

i pop 5 red bulls and we troll in voice for like 4 hours

[vivid vessel]

what are you doing in farm im confused

if you dont care about damage

[proven ocean]

we just laugh 24/7

on farm

[cinder relic]

"Doing damage" and "parsing" are two different things

[proven ocean]

and troll around here and there

[vivid vessel]

I mean you can decide to farm boss damage logs

[proven ocean]

i like farm mostly because of friends

[desert tendon]

u just too old now zero u cant parse that s why u dont care about them

just washed up jerry

[proven ocean]

well thats not true

i think my dmg is very good

i can easily parse 100s but i hate grieifing the raid alot more than that

[desert tendon]

1st degree zeross 100% uptime

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon

btw

i think poisons are just undersimming in m+

i need to test more tho

[desert tendon]

even bleeds undersim

like everything about assa undersim

that s why i hate it so much

[cold jewel]

damage parsing as dps<damage parsing as heals

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/AstutePleasantFerretMikeHogu-0cpXRema1tZwQO9V @frail veldt thoughts?

[cold jewel]

[desert tendon]

but when u play raid build you do the same % damage on dummies than on sims

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i'd join ur key but

i dont do low keys zac sorry

mobs die too fast

[vivid vessel]

ye understandable

similarly i dont do high keys

mobs die too slow

[glass mortar]

when blizzard decides ur not allowed to have ar

[vivid vessel]

:)

i got lucky and rolled a 5 buff down

so it wasnt that bad

cause 2 min 30 cd on adr

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

u said

17 was too low

but

ur doing 16s now

lmaoao?!?!?

[vivid vessel]

wdym

feel like there is missing context here

[proven ocean]

well

#outlaw message

u said 17s are too low

2 months ago

but

ur doing 16s now

[vivid vessel]

that was last season even

[proven ocean]

1 key lower

well

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

key level is the same no?

[vivid vessel]

no

[proven ocean]

yes?

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

no its not

do you not remember

that was after scaling

in s1

a 17 felt like a 15 legit

[glass mortar]

zac was probably higher relative ilvl to that key at that point also or

still like 6-7 ilvl away from full mythic ilvl rn

[proven ocean]

zac

crazy that

keys are too low at 18 now

we just cant time them cuz no tank

lmaoao!?

[pearl girder]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[azure stirrup]

Are we still using ghostly in keys?

[glass mortar]

many r dropping it for pc

u can tho

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

bro

[untold yarrow]

how tank doing mor dmg

than dps?

[glass mortar]

me when i tune into zac stream to watch first pull of ML

and he makes like 2 mistakes in the whole pull

and loses to tank on dps

5.5m dps on 20 targets xd

[untold yarrow]

arcane

also gg

capped

[glass mortar]

MM capped btw

[untold yarrow]

welcome 2 the blacklist

[glass mortar]

arcane capped

the funny part is arcane only looks close to u because he died like 20s before the pull ended

xd

good spec

[vivid vessel]

and because the pack lasted forever cause i was doing tank dps

[glass mortar]

yup

outlaw was absolutely the reason for that wipe

idk if u hadnt made mistakes if it even woulda mattered

ur rng was so mid

[vivid vessel]

i mean we body pulled like 3 packs

weran

but yes

[untold yarrow]

i found out how to fix capped aoe. play bear

tbh

[glass mortar]

whats crazy to me is

u rolled a 5 buff

and still couldnt move the dps up

[untold yarrow]

doing normal pulls with arcane and outlaw

[vivid vessel]

I did?

[untold yarrow]

is kinda

monkasus

[glass mortar]

yea u ended with a 5 buff didnt u?

for the last like 30s

[vivid vessel]

aaaaaaaaye you are right

my dps didnt even go up

[glass mortar]

and ur dps didnt go up at all

[vivid vessel]

when i had that 5 buff

[glass mortar]

what buff were u missing

[vivid vessel]

thats funny actually

none

[jolly geyser]

man rtb is so ass also

[vivid vessel]

it was a 6 buff

[glass mortar]

crazy

u can make 1 minor mistake like not pressing rtB for 10s

and u just lose to rng

cause u got like 3 cto procs the whole pull

[jolly geyser]

crazy they just added rng and people are "happy"

[glass mortar]

well everyones tier set is rng

like most things for law its just annoying cause

ours kinda turns our whole damage model into rng

u do big dam when u have 5 buff, u do piss dam when u have 1 buff

and it normalizes out over a whole dungeon or a raid boss

[vivid vessel]

the thing is weran

[glass mortar]

but when ur doing a massive pull

[vivid vessel]

you didnt see it

but i made more mistakes than one

[glass mortar]

u kinda need damage

[vivid vessel]

but also

these mistakes

[glass mortar]

yes

u locked in a bad kir

[vivid vessel]

are not normal people mistakes

[glass mortar]

very bad

and then didnt press RtB for like 15s

[vivid vessel]

you didnt saw it but i didnt do my prepull stuffs

[glass mortar]

and missed out on ur first KS coup

[vivid vessel]

but my prepulls stuffs

are secret tech

no one does anyway

[glass mortar]

more then pre ks pre roll?

can u also store risingblade stacks or w.e?

[vivid vessel]

i cant talk too much

the feds

[glass mortar]

xd

[vivid vessel]

they migth find me

[untold yarrow]

bro is gatekeeping

tech from a aoe capped class

[brisk meadow]

[untold yarrow]

with sub 0.1% playerbase playing

classic

[glass mortar]

that pull also took like 15s to gather of no dps time

and u had to sit in shroud

when normally u would just open with tricks

so hardfavors bursters

[vivid vessel]

any time a tech is made public its fixed in 5 days

thats not gatekeeping

just play outlaw till you figure techs by yourself

then dont tell anyone

thats how you make outlaw do damage

[untold yarrow]

i dont bug abuse 🙂

i play boomkin to do damage 🙂

[vivid vessel]

ye well

you would bug abuse

if you played outlaw

half my gcds are bugged buddy

[untold yarrow]

the spec is a bug

[jolly geyser]

devs dont play outlaw,how would they know

[wraith cosmos]

do we get benefit from extra add in our damage to boss>

??

[vivid vessel]

no

??

[wraith cosmos]

there is fight in discord

[vivid vessel]

where is the fight

[wraith cosmos]

and im trying to convince people

that

[vivid vessel]

can i participate

[brisk meadow]

What

[wraith cosmos]

dw

[glass mortar]

kir trickster gets a benifit

but

[wraith cosmos]

im handeling them

[glass mortar]

the build is also losing net st to go anaoe build

moreso then HO so

[vivid vessel]

you wanna convince them we funnel ?

[glass mortar]

and depending on how low the target count is it might be worthless

[vivid vessel]

cause we dont

[timber knoll]

Outlaw rework on the way??

[vivid vessel]

if you play fatebound you even lose st

[jolly geyser]

KiR more on the chopping block than HO

[glass mortar]

we used to have this thing

we no longer do

deft too weak

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

wtf is this gear lmao

hes like

678 equip

but rings only

lmao

wtf

[vivid vessel]

wtf

bro is stacked!

no cap

[jolly geyser]

bad luck?

[frail veldt]

why do people say this?

when explosive shot is such a significant part of their damage

[glass mortar]

xd

but its softcapped mewo

me when on 8 targets mm bursts for 15m and on 30 targets its bursts for 30m but its somehow almost as capped as law

more like kappad

[frail veldt]

people just lie

I dont think they realize

that outlaw is LITERALLY capped

[glass mortar]

but mewo

u can always

play

[frail veldt]

people also say WW is capped

[glass mortar]

blade rush

!

[frail veldt]

but are they lying?

[glass mortar]

tbh ww might be the closest to us

[frail veldt]

I dont even know anymore

[glass mortar]

its ceiling for a burst spec on big pulls is pretty low

[frail veldt]

does sck hit everything?

[glass mortar]

and it bursts pretty hard even on low target counts

nah all its shit is softcapped pretty hard

[vivid vessel]

its all softcapped at 5

[glass mortar]

i think slicing winds is its best scaling aoe ability

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

thats so weird

[glass mortar]

like on a 8t pull bursting as ww

u burst 12-15m

on 20 targets u might burst 18m

[vivid vessel]

soft cap at 5 is legit

idk

so trash

[glass mortar]

it has scaling

but it feels closer to outlaw

then any spec ive played

[vivid vessel]

idk why soft cap at 5 exist

everything should be softcapped at 8

[glass mortar]

it also does like

mega St in keys tho

its aoe builds rl ike 6% behind st or something

not many people play it its not a super strong spec but its alright

fun to play

also because u can always go mw and mw is a banger to play in keys

its a funny feeling spec u just have so much mastery as long as u properly play the combo strike every spell is doing +120% damage

so everything u press just hits turbo hard

feels like a leather warrior xd

i think its hardest hitting dpet spell is slicing winds in aoe which can just do like 30m damage a cast at its softcap ceiling

[haughty wigeon]

soft cap everything

its lame

to have hard caps

[gaunt phoenix]

ok. Bf softcapped at 2

[haughty wigeon]

send it

[glass mortar]

only if we do 150% damage to second target at two

[vivid vessel]

already is

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[frail veldt]

yeah prices cuts is softcapping

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[frail veldt]

it might as well read "buffs BF by 30% but soft capped at 2 targets"

except still hard capped at 8 rip

[unkempt swift]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert kestrel]

Ye ww scratches the outlaw itch, but also suffers from similar things to a lesser degree of law. I sure know how to pick specs

[glass mortar]

at least it blasts in raid xd

it doesnt fall behind in the pug range i play ww in anyway

not every pull is 15 targets

[gaunt phoenix]

Ww thinks they are the real victim of target cap but ill allow it

[glass mortar]

ye they r probably the closest spec to us

maybe them and fury warrior

i guess thye really deleted fury warrior aoe due to 2 fights last season and never brought it back

they got 5softcapped a bunch

[covert kestrel]

Honestly peak of serenity is big on "don't blame the target cap" for wws issue scaling

[gaunt phoenix]

based

[glass mortar]

i mean its strong enough it can do good damage regardless right like, u burst 5 guys for 14m dps

thats pretty good

even if on 20 ur only bursting for 18m

very good prio damage also, u basically lose no st while ur doing aoe

all ur shit cleaves

[frail veldt]

if their soft cap is at 5 wheres their hardcap

like the point where they stop doing any more damage

most specs are 20 right?

[random stirrup]

its always 20

unless ur a cheater spec

[glass mortar]

idk i remember back in legion it was calculated out to be like ~14 targets they stop gaining damage past

u go up like 1-2% or something

but i think they changed the calculation since then

no clue how the scaling is with current rules

[random stirrup]

the most recent they talked about it (SL) basically every spell that is soft capped has a 20 "hard" cap where its split beyond

[glass mortar]

yes thats been a rule for a long time, quite rare for spelsl to break it

i think theres still a couple in the game

[random stirrup]

psylink is one of them btw

[frail veldt]

apparitions

spriest has a lot of things that break it

weird spec

[glass mortar]

psylink is heavily limited but yes technically true

i cant imagine you are ever getting it doing damage to more then 20 targets for very long

[untold yarrow]

nice new rogue build @proven ocean

not even playing bleed build sadge

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

i did the same shit bro

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxZskYvZKEmHQ0ulffBzCJqN_JRFOWV54b?si=D7Tz0KVxorkQHKdn

but this time no mistakes

dk does 4 times my damage bro

[untold yarrow]

lmfao

[desert tendon]

have u tried

[untold yarrow]

thisgamesux

[desert tendon]

doing more damage zac?

[vivid vessel]

rolled 6 buff on pull weran

thoughts?

[desert tendon]

real chads rolls 7 buffs

just saying

[untold yarrow]

imagine getting 4x mogged by a class pressing 1 button during bloodbeast

[vivid vessel]

no but tank is doing my damage

while im rolling a 5 buff

on pull tho

[untold yarrow]

bro vdh is aoe capped

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

[untold yarrow]

im gonna keep using that quote

[vivid vessel]

90% bte crit aswell

what can you do man

what can you do

[desert tendon]

zac i think

u got simbaited

u gotta go full mastery

main gauche better value fr fr

[vivid vessel]

ye that gotta be it

i mean at this point im willing to try anything

[random stirrup]

time for blade rush spam bucko

[vivid vessel]

br is a dps loss till 30 targets

[untold yarrow]

damn zeros got unlockod

[glass mortar]

just had the driest rookery of my life

dropped ar like 6 times

was not making mistakes that i noticed

40s of no cto man

how do u go 40s of no cto

i had 3 5 buffs the whole dungeon

[untold yarrow]

bro

outlaw has no rng

didnt u know

best part of outlaw is

even at 5 buffs we do 1/4th of uhdk dam

[random stirrup]

people will see this and say soft capped bf at 8 would be too op btw

[vivid vessel]

this is the overall

if you are curious

just getting gapped

[untold yarrow]

how many 16 brews is this now

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[last scarab]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[untold yarrow]

i swear i;'ve seen you do like 4 brews 16s today

idfk

[vivid vessel]

ah thats casue i got a brew 18

so i did it

then i did it in 17

then i did it in 16

then i did it again in 16

then i did it again in 16

[untold yarrow]

[vivid vessel]

[untold yarrow]

that key should be 14

[vivid vessel]

yep

[untold yarrow]

#fuckresi

[vivid vessel]

glad resilient is a thing otherwise i would be fucked

[untold yarrow]

idk man

i cba even going anywhere near title push with the state of the game but

its gonna be omega aids late season

with resi keys pushing the io way way up

imo

[vivid vessel]

idk

it makes it less cancer to pug

i never pushed my key ever tikll this season

cause its so much time loss

to deplete till infinity

now i can cuase resi saves my ass

[untold yarrow]

not really

i mean

now you're stuck in 1 dungeon

[vivid vessel]

not different when you deplete a key lol

[untold yarrow]

and if you keep getting bots you're there running same key

over and over

yeah

so i mean not much changed for pugging

[vivid vessel]

what ?

[untold yarrow]

for coordinated groups big change imho

[vivid vessel]

my key would be a 14 rn

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

its a 17

in one push

[untold yarrow]

but u would prob time a 15

so it wouldnt really go down to 14

[vivid vessel]

would i

i have to take 4 people

that didnt time a 15

so i have the same exact chance

timing a 16

than a 15

than a 14

etc

[untold yarrow]

nah

[vivid vessel]

idk how people not realize this

[untold yarrow]

i dont think so because its bit easier

[vivid vessel]

a bit

yues

[untold yarrow]

even if they havent done 15

[vivid vessel]

you still taking people that are giga clueless

[untold yarrow]

smaller jump 14-15 than 15-16

can make more mistakes

[vivid vessel]

i mean what you are saying is stupid anyway

you are still taking less good people

to play a ok less hard key

but the people are less good so

[untold yarrow]

yeah

true

but imho

skill issue

should have timed 18 first try

rip bozo

[vivid vessel]

yes

[untold yarrow]

was it close

[vivid vessel]

ye

first pack

tank almost lived

was close

[untold yarrow]

[vivid vessel]

if i wasnt outlaw he might have lived

[untold yarrow]

wdym

outlaw has insane prio dam

you melt muscle guys

[vivid vessel]

you dont

[haughty wigeon]

resi is g ood for top end

bad for everyone else

cause people are being cringe with it

[vivid vessel]

why

are you really only against it cause peoople sell it or whatever

idk

thats like

who cares

[mossy nacelle]

can someone help me please, on what 2 things to turn into gear set

[light fossil]

why do i not get a buff indicating which combo points are supercharged?

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt supercharge combo points

it just make it so your next finishers are +3

its just free

yopu dont play around it

its there thats it

[light fossil]

Cool

[vivid vessel]

blame blizzard for confusing tooltip

that makes 0 sense

[light fossil]

nah i only just resubbed after only playing the first month of tww

did not know they changed it

[gaunt phoenix]

and the effect which is not a buff but invisible

[mossy nacelle]

can I craft and use twice the same sword?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes you can craft two swords

but if you craft an offhand it might as well be a dagger since daggers are mildly better

But also even a heroic capo's molten knuckles should beat it

[mossy nacelle]

so if I craft another Everforged Longsword, I can make the 658 ilvl on my offhand and the 675 on my main hand and use both?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[vivid vessel]

you can also upgrade that weapon to 675

[gaunt phoenix]

you should recraft that thing into vers haste

[mossy nacelle]

how to recraft tho

never did it

[vivid vessel]

the + button top left

of the crafting thiny

big button

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont need a spark to recraft

you just put it in the recraft thing and submit the order

[vivid vessel]

it all depends if you actually need to recraft or you want another craft idk

[mossy nacelle]

I might be a bit lost

[vivid vessel]

recrafting cost materials

but not a spark

[mossy nacelle]

yes yes

[vivid vessel]

you already spent a spark

and you can recraft to higher ilvl if yu spend the crests

you can also just craft another depending on what you wnana do

idk what youare trying to do exactly

[peak isle]

is playing the hidden opportunity build technically worse if I have a ton of haste from playing KIR

[vivid vessel]

no not really

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[peak isle]

thanks guys

[vivid vessel]

ho plays with big haste rn

[mossy nacelle]

I got myself this and wanna craft my off hand to 675

[long barn]

Some reason with HO Raidbots sims me @ 9% haste without ghost strike, 14% with it.

[vivid vessel]

gs cost a lot of energy

[long barn]

Yea. I was expecting it to recommend 19% haste

[vivid vessel]

idk depends on the gear you have

[potent yacht]

why outlaw feeling extra energy starved this week? did we get nerfed

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEZfuxLd8s&ab_channel=MaximumClips

!

max said it

fixed neext week no cap

[azure stirrup]

Same % as before or higher now?

[hollow temple]

He also said dinars should just give everyone mythic items zac

[frail veldt]

I still can't believe they patched the dog

Fun fucking detected

[lime lake]

yeah that shit is actually wild

[late swallow]

If you expect to have fun in a game you pay to play

You’re unironically not gonna make it

[hybrid crown]

I think people just were expecting dinars to work like the last two times they were done

[late swallow]

DF s4 dinars were kind of an exception

Since it was a meme season

[late swallow]

Weren’t the SL dinars also locked behind boss kills?

[late swallow]

I didn’t even remember this bluepost

That’s funny af

[hybrid crown]

I think they were like one difficulty ahead of the one you were doing right

[late swallow]

That bluepost is actually hilarious though

Legit the opposite of what they did

Although they did leave room by saying “this could change”

[random stirrup]

yea I mean it does say could change but understandable why people are a bit upset

[hybrid crown]

They could have just done the thing that worked. The only reason why they changed it to this imo is their player retention bean counters said we will keep more players for longer if we change it

Or an ion type wanted mythic raiders to feel special

[late swallow]

Bean counters are evil

[hybrid crown]

Either way like 99% of the player base were kinda rug pulled

The amount of people who see the last 2 bosses is less than 1% I'm thinking

[late swallow]

Boosters are gonna be eating good

[runic bough]

This

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-burger-spiderman-yummy-tasty-gif-26500711

[runic bough]

Somnius

You are promoted to king status.

!Promote @late swallow To Community Figure

There

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel @lone crow

look at what

sin can do

lmao

1st boss (no spatter entire fight with adds)

[mossy nacelle]

is 10% haste enough or do I need more?

[runic bough]

What build?

We have 3 haste options

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel r1 all rogues rio secured

[runic bough]

8-10% ho fate18-20% kir fate And trickster depends on sim

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel where is ur rio noob

@vivid vessel ?

sry zac if u ask me for +16s 16s are too low zac

i dont play low keys

how the turns have tabled zac

[runic bough]

[late swallow]

Ross is the superior rogue confirmed

[vivid vessel]

Ok Im ngl

I thought you had higher ion