outlaw

[proven ocean]

think of what im buying here

2nd shiv + dashing

thats way better than garrote dmg

lol

[desert tendon]

idk man

i hate assa talents

fr

[proven ocean]

i love assa talents

legit every talent is useful

[desert tendon]

i either hate them all or love them all

idk

[proven ocean]

im having alot of fun

with the sin talents

im excited to try this build

i think it'll shine rly well in high keys

this ofc

[desert tendon]

same but not knowing what is the real best depress me

[proven ocean]

i am doing udk dps

with it

[desert tendon]

beed like

[proven ocean]

while

doing WAY BETTER

st

[desert tendon]

8 more talents points

[proven ocean]

than the other builds

WAY MORE

its not even close

[desert tendon]

running dashing

u can probably skip ttk

idk

the thing is

[proven ocean]

nah

u cant skip ttk

[desert tendon]

i ve no idea of the %dps of every talents

[proven ocean]

ttk is legit broken

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

lol

[desert tendon]

i just feelcraft

[proven ocean]

envenom does so much dmg

and

u apply poisons way more

rly bad kill timer on that tho, 5 seconds away from deathmark

[worldly palm]

does Honey Beezer yeet you into the hole on Gallywix if you're <15 yards to the center?

[proven ocean]

and that build isnt dashing

so

dashing will likely do crazy amounts of dmg

btw @desert tendon

what im cooking rn is

very high crit gear

and crit flask legit sims the highest in dslice even with me at 30% crit with pacemaker 678

[desert tendon]

u playing priory trinket also right?

[proven ocean]

not atm no

hosue of cards

665

[desert tendon]

what the stats of each?

[proven ocean]

i do want to play priory but

[desert tendon]

isnt priory just better

[proven ocean]

i want people to play it too

so i can use it

[desert tendon]

since u ll delay house anyway

[proven ocean]

idk

last time i simmed it didnt dsim better

i'll try again now

[desert tendon]

to me in dslice priory is +0.4 compared to house

but dslice dude for assa

[proven ocean]

idk im rly happy with what im cooking on sin atm

i rly want to share it with ppl who are playing rogue atm

i think it does well u just need to play it right

btw

blindside build is insanely hard in m+

[desert tendon]

it s way way way harder to play than bleed

[proven ocean]

like

i dont think

anyone can play it

unless its me (i dont mean as a player), because im playing everyday for 12 hrs

because u rly need to play constantly and have good sin muscle memory to play it

[desert tendon]

also not having subterfuge is a no go for new assa players

[proven ocean]

since its legit almost impossible to play without sbs

[desert tendon]

it just becomes so hard

[proven ocean]

unless ur

like

playing sin everyday

[desert tendon]

gotta step sometimes double step during opener

not losing a single gcd

i like it

[proven ocean]

im rly happy with sin

never enjoyed sin that much before

its reminding me of s3 DF outlaw

im enjoying it that much

because im doing udk dps

with rly bad simming builds

that do really really well on st

and those builds are really really good for timer

they dont throw random pad bleeds

that do nothing

its just value dmg

[desert tendon]

is there a big diff between double vanish +MA vs forced induction?

[proven ocean]

ngl, no

maybe ur gonna notice 5-10% dps difference

[desert tendon]

it s just tiny bit more st

[proven ocean]

only

in overall in some keys

like

censi

5-10% only in floodgates

and MA is SUPER GOOD there

but

fi is good in st

so

ur trading off talents here

[desert tendon]

yea

[proven ocean]

again, aoe is usually not the way to go for in keys

not in this season atleast

this seasson pure st is rly insane and valueable

saves u so much time

[desert tendon]

i really wonder what s gonna happen to rogue next tuning patch

cuz they already ignored it 2 patchs in a row

cant be 3 right?

[proven ocean]

man

[desert tendon]

i m good at arcane now btw zero

[proven ocean]

i hate that sin is just squishy

sub is so much tankier

its not even close

u take like

[desert tendon]

yea definitly

[proven ocean]

20% less dmg as sub

its THAT much tankier

[desert tendon]

first u have 20% vers AT LEAST BARE MINIMUM as sub

[proven ocean]

10% from shadowdance

and

5% from fazed

and

shield absorb that heals above 10% of ur hp

which is INSANE since ur sending cds in dangerous pulls

and u have a free vanish that heals 30% of ur hp

basically healthstone

lmao

[desert tendon]

u know where i realised how bad was sin vs sub tankiness wise?

3rd boss of floodgate

[proven ocean]

ye

[desert tendon]

holy shit as assa i need a good healer

i aint pressing feint but on waves

[proven ocean]

u have to press feint

[desert tendon]

but also i die in 3 ticks of the dot

[proven ocean]

on both specs

[desert tendon]

yea but as sub u dont die in between waves

[proven ocean]

sin does die tho

on 3rd boss

[desert tendon]

as sin u do

[proven ocean]

very squishy

so

u need to

think about ur cds very carefully

(defensives)

[desert tendon]

yea something like

Evasio feint > cloak > feint amz > feint pot > repeat

sometimes like that maybe, idk

[proven ocean]

btw

i feel like

[desert tendon]

kinda like 3rd boss of nokhud

[proven ocean]

poison build on sin does scale well with gear lol

i think i'll be able to pull off rly good st later

into the season

[lusty sparrow]

is oab an outlaw boss asking for a friend

[proven ocean]

no

sub better

[desert tendon]

depends on the strat

[lusty sparrow]

Sub you say

not assassin

[desert tendon]

can be overwhelming if you re not used to ks

[proven ocean]

yea sub

[desert tendon]

if u do the normal strat

sub is 2330415415 times stronger

[lusty sparrow]

idk what strat were doing

havent pulled yet

[proven ocean]

zac didnt play outlaw on prog, its that bad

if zac doesnt play outlaw on a boss

u can feel confident

that

it'll be

SUPER TRASH

x

dd

[desert tendon]

that s simple

if u do the normal strat with premium bomb at 1.40

sub is 1249115151 times better

[proven ocean]

yea

[desert tendon]

if u dont, sub is just 10 times better than outlaw

[proven ocean]

everyone does it anyway i think

ye

[desert tendon]

assa is just bad cuz you dont do assistants damage

[proven ocean]

its a good rogue boss ish

[desert tendon]

if u just need boss damage then assa is better

[proven ocean]

nah

wdym boss dmg

lol

no one needs boss dmg on one armed

[desert tendon]

i m saying

if u need

it s better

i m not saying you need and it s better

if

you know what if means?

[proven ocean]

well

the if doesnt exist

cuh

[desert tendon]

guilds progging oab now (no hate no flame no judgement) can be special sometimes

like

imagine they have 8 affli lock

do u think they ll need assistant damage?

Maybe they have 3 devokers

[proven ocean]

o ye censi

[desert tendon]

then they dont need asssistant or boss damage

[proven ocean]

priory sims 0.1% ahead ofr me

for me

neutral basically

i'd play priory

since its easier

[desert tendon]

it s better then

[proven ocean]

ye

[desert tendon]

cuz 2mn

[proven ocean]

and gives stats to friends

[desert tendon]

and cuz the group effect

yep

people sleep on that

[proven ocean]

ye

[desert tendon]

they were sucking for the group effect trinket on df

but they dont care about priory

OCE

i remember this shitty trinket

i was playing it in S2 even tho it was a big loss for sub, it was just better for the groupe overall

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon

i guess we will be 684 lol

[runic bough]

my normal stix

running balls into boss instead of doing mechanic

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple ok i understand why u guys dont go for sims in pvp

because sin is exactly the same in m+ in super high keys

u legit cannot play the highest simming build

otherwise u deplete all ur keys

[lusty sparrow]

ok how about chugzee

just want to hear not assassination

[proven ocean]

Mugzee is a sin rogue fight

Any other spec is essentially worse

[runic bough]

since when was ret a 30 mil aoe class

this was after some adds died already

it is unacceptable that any spec cant at least do 10mil aoe

COUGH OUTLAW

[frail veldt]

Outlaw def can do over 10

[runic bough]

when

not while ks is in rotation

[hollow temple]

we basically play the highest simming builds in pvp

we just find them like, MONTHS before the simmers find them

gg

[teal garnet]

I've definitely hit 11 a handful of times in 10s/11s

That's talking max roll, pot , lust pull tho

[runic bough]

yes and for a brief moment

these other specs are getting 3 times that until the pack is dead

and devs still refuse to uncap bf

[fluid meadow]

possible on low keys too, but mobs are deadge there so fast, peak keys to gap others there, they can't ramp

[proven ocean]

Didn’t know u guys sim PvP stuff

Well our high key stuff is prob not simmable or we don’t have a sin TC who would go crazy enough to make a dslice for high keys sin sim

Most stuff u don’t need a specific apl for anyways u just sim for pure st and the rest is whatever as long as its not negative aoe

[runic bough]

whats your plater profile?

[teal garnet]

gapping a Devoker is wild

[runic bough]

that looks good

[fluid meadow]

my ui is just full of random shit, self optimized

[hollow temple]

We don’t, we just have a bit of a track record lately to find the optimal build before the wizards find it

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon one more thing, garrote is target capped

[hollow temple]

I’m half joking but it’s kinda funny how it’s happened lately

[proven ocean]

It’s kinda the same with sin

[hollow temple]

But obv we have to take more utility nodes than pve as well

[gaunt phoenix]

do not fuel pvp ego

[proven ocean]

Some builds really do so badly in some keys

[gaunt phoenix]

[hollow temple]

Like pvping without iron wire would be crazy

[proven ocean]

Like

U need to play rly specific talents to time some keys

[hollow temple]

I said I was half joking you ain’t been around solo !

[proven ocean]

For example subterfuge build is incredibly bad in priory, but it’s incredibly broken op in cinderbrew

[hollow temple]

Outlaw TC was lagging for a little while

[proven ocean]

I’m convinced sin is the strongest spec in cinderbrew

Out of all classes

Better than arcane

[hollow temple]

It’s just funny we found trickster this season off the rip

[proven ocean]

And potentially more valuable than dk

[hollow temple]

Was bringing it up to zac since the end of s1 but he didn’t wanna hear it

[proven ocean]

He hates killing spree

But he hates dps loss more than a spell that can kill him

Anyways sleep time for me

Gn gn

Cuh

[runic bough]

gn gn

[smoky bronze]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[median lintel]

!log

[tough geyser]

!addons

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[umbral verge]

like how bleed build is v good for sin but its basically what i was playing in s1 solo shuffle

[raw cliff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g2XUkq9jgzz8SgygHM3vtB

is it worth me dropping Cerse's yet? i can read what the sim says but i can also see not many outlaws are using it on mythic

unsure

for context the ring i have equipped for the sim is a 665 Wick's golden loop

[gaunt phoenix]

with the loop you have too much haste

[raw cliff]

so keep signet. ty ty

[hasty warren]

Good morning pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

there are only like 4 vers rings that can replace signet

crafted, roulette, pvp, maybe vers mastery from theater

and maybe wicks if you can balance haste around it

[raw cliff]

plan was to get a flickering glowtorc neck or craft a neck if i dont get this week

[runic bough]

So this is saying to craft the alchemy trinket next hmmmmm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1GAFywXxu9Qf7vu3A2wTYH

It says patchwerk i wonder why dmg is so low

also mythic pacemaker losing to honey buzzer lol

[azure stirrup]

Simming Deft instead of GS?

[runic bough]

for m+ yeah

something wrong with this sim

[vivid vessel]

But it got buffed 10 times in a row going into S2 lol

You are just yapping rn trickz

And of course we didn't find ho supercharger because I hate ho and only play kir

Ho supercharger still doesn't exist for me

Nothing changed

Ppver still cooked

Sit down

[hidden bay]

revert outlaw to s3 (minus subterfuge bullshit and keep bte reset on vanish) in .7 realz

[untold yarrow]

I've been down bad, but I've never been this down bad

[timber knoll]

Outlaw buffs otw??

[opal raven]

200% to all spells

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt was it you that pinged me on the invisible aoe in rookery

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9htVCd0oHAk0_2YfpXiW02wl5P1N_C97?si=x35lBfGJFlPUn8Sb

[trail star]

skill issue

[vivid vessel]

ye mb

have to be careful about invisible aoes aswell

[desert tendon]

always been invisible here

at melee of the bird

since start of the seasons

that s why i always cloak here

[vivid vessel]

idk people werent pulling this bird before

[untold yarrow]

idk why they pull that bugged bird

i dont think people know its bugged

but also count wise why d oyou want it

[cedar kernel]

[civic void]

Because the part before the second boss is pretty inefficient and you want to do the skip before third boss so you gotta kill things at some point

[vivid vessel]

before second boss mewdery

thoughts

boomie is a bit low cause he went afk on first boss

think mewdery is litteraly impossible with an outlaw rogue in the key

insta deplete

feels good

cant wait for 11.1.7 when outlaw get uncapped

[timid portal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hidden bay]

Gonna be badass with 6 extra ilvls

Since we scale so well

[untold yarrow]

did you not time because of outlaw dps @vivid vessel

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

ye

very funny

[vivid vessel]

we depleted on packs because outlaw dps

[untold yarrow]

ah the casters lived too lonjg?

or barrels?

[vivid vessel]

everything

im doing half the damage

of the other dps

on ev4ry pack

[vivid vessel]

ye

its funny how every key level

outlaw just

get worse

and every spec in the game get better

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

and then they also scale with ilvl

by the end of the season outlaw does tank damage in 20s

if an outlaw ever enter a 20

[untold yarrow]

yeah

its legit s obad

how bad it goes the higher you go

and higher the pull count gets

[hidden bay]

Well not every spec is meant for 0.1% keys

Keys majority of ppl do outlaw is good at so you could argue outlaw is fine

But id say get your daggers out sin gonna be feasting with the extra gear

[vital venture]

do u think it'd be better if u swapped to assa/sub then came back?

even with versa/haste gear xd

like first pull cus after its a waste of time

[vivid vessel]

well

some are

more handicapped than others

for no reason

please defend target cap

other than legit an artificial limitation for high keys only

for only very certain specs in the game

its not like if you removed target cap from these specs they would suddently destroy low keys

its legit just a high key cap

for 0 reason

also sin and sub got their key damage profile fixed

idk why outalw got left behind

[vivid vessel]

for the whole key ye

idk what this question is

[reef forge]

christ outlaw fucking sucks

[vital venture]

i mean

would it be benefic to start key as assa/sub

then go out and swap spec lol

[vivid vessel]

yes?

but it would also be benefic

to play the whole key

[vital venture]

[vivid vessel]

as other spec

so whats the point

i dont really understand the question

sin and sub are legit better in every scenario

[vital venture]

i was just curious if the time loss for swapping

is worth the damage

[vivid vessel]

idk

when do you swap back in

[vital venture]

i mean playing outlaw is for fun rn i think

i dont know if its better than sub/assa in any key

[vivid vessel]

im litteraly doing half the damage of other specs on every pack so

[vivid vessel]

its not xd

@fathom bramble https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxCcJ4EcsDILHnSjgfD5VyR0N1lpjoSTgJ

I press ks there right, at the side of the carpet

and when ks end im here

thoughts

well im here and dead before the wave hit aswell so i guess its just idk

weird thing

idk if its the stagger bug or like

i moved during ks ?

[hidden bay]

they are so set on the cap tho idk

i feel like theyd bring back acro before theyd remove the cap

[vivid vessel]

and they have made plenty of stupid decisions before

doenst mean they arent complelty wrong

idk why they decided that like

5 ? specs in the game

would never do damage in m+

just like that

picked them randomly

you do no damage

you do no damage

you do no damage

gg

[hidden bay]

i only know warrior rogue and mm with this cap thing

who else?

monk?

[vivid vessel]

ww a bit

ye

its softcapped at 5

[hidden bay]

thing is mm has plenty of uncapped shit

[vivid vessel]

ye mm is diffy idk

[hidden bay]

and fury has some uncapped

[vivid vessel]

mm is like

[hidden bay]

mm got fixed with hero talents pmuch

[vivid vessel]

legit can do more damage than udk in some keys rn

which i was out of meta like mm is rn

know what i mean

[hidden bay]

tier set also

still not meta

idk what hunter needs to be meta

[vivid vessel]

ok but like

if you arent meta

[vapid blaze]

only cause of tset rn

[vivid vessel]

but you are hunter

i feel like you are happy right

hunter can legit hard carry keys

[vapid blaze]

if the 4pce was different youd be turbo fucked aswell xD
but atleast your 2-6 targets is actually good

[vivid vessel]

just cause it does inifninte damage

idk why its not meta

not tanky enough etc

or whatever

but you still do infinite damage

[vapid blaze]

raidbuffs/stops 😦

[vivid vessel]

wish i was non meta like hunter is

[vivid vessel]

ok well rogue is the same shit s o

[vapid blaze]

well next tier its gonna be back to the dumpster

[hidden bay]

incorrect

sentinel and dark ranger have uncapped aoe

[vapid blaze]

4pce is like 15% or smth

[wintry solar]

You're all wrong

[vapid blaze]

its the reason you can do damage on uncapped aoe
banshers procs 3 times in a pull
does 25mil dps

[hidden bay]

yeah its insane but without iter both your hero talents do uncapped aoe

a lot of it

[vapid blaze]

you can do some yeah

[patent mirage]

we could use a softcap

hardcap is lame

[clear tulip]

I’m going to run TD even tho it was nerfed just for the satisfaction that I have an ability that hits everything in meadery bill pulls

[vivid vessel]

wtf is td

[clear tulip]

Twilight dev

[vivid vessel]

doesnt sound like an outlaw ability im ngl

[clear tulip]

It’s one of the corruptions from .5

[vivid vessel]

oh one of the corruptions we are getting ?

[clear tulip]

Yeah it’s one of them. Don’t think it’s the best but

[timid portal]

@vivid vessel do u have your full UI somewhere?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

I'm not inviting an outlaw

[untold yarrow]

im calling hr on application + reporting

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/KV-ljIcdb

[desert tendon]

i love how it s mage class

and not mage spec

@untold yarrow

[untold yarrow]

yeah

lmao

i was like all 3 are good

we just put the class icon

[crimson coral]

In the wowhead guide it says during AOE and subterfuge don’t recast blade furry when specced into deft maneuvers. why is that? isn’t that an efficient way to build up combopoints in one global for another BtE?

[vivid vessel]

!guide

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[cinder relic]

Yeah but ambush does a lot of dmg

[vivid vessel]

ho doesnt play deft so

kir will press bf for cp aklways

[untold yarrow]

sadly

[vivid vessel]

as long as its 4/5 targets

[crimson coral]

So if HO and in subterfuge press ambush instead of bf
and if KIR and in subterfuge press bf if 4/5 targets to build the combopoints?

[vivid vessel]

ho deosnt play deft tho

so doesnt even matter

but ye

kir will press

kir doesnt ambush

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

ye thats me

[crimson coral]

Makes sense.
KIR doesn’t ambush even in subterfuge? or out of stealth?
What do you use instead if there are no opportunity proccs? You sinister strike in subterfuge window?

[vivid vessel]

yes

!ambushkir

[ornate heath]

Builds without HO do not press Ambush because it does not proc Fan the Hammer. Sinister Strike was also changed to proc Count the Odds so SS is always a better global.

[proven ocean]

utlaw is bad

[vivid vessel]

ye i noticed

ty

[proven ocean]

UTLAW

[crimson coral]

Thanks. Need to update my bars later 🙂

[wintry solar]

Have yall tried being better?

[desert tendon]

zer ss

[slow vale]

I might be late but I’m seeing a lot of high parses in m+ going KiR again?

[untold yarrow]

wow useful error message as alawys

[vivid vessel]

Install bug catcherb

And

What's the other one

Bug grabber ?

[untold yarrow]

bug grabber

bugsack

i have them xd

[vivid vessel]

Who is doing that

[slow vale]

Look at logs

All of them

[untold yarrow]

no

[slow vale]

Tom, toxic

[untold yarrow]

i dont read error logs

we push to prod

[vivid vessel]

Wtf fr fr

Tom is based on god

[slow vale]

Go look for yourself

Looks like they run 16% haste and I’m assuming swiftness flask

[untold yarrow]

bro how is the interrupt tracker WA getting 842 Lua errors

[jolly geyser]

scuffed pack

[vivid vessel]

kir is for gamers only

ho is for the noobs

[slow vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/82034776?mode=detailed&zone=43&metric=playerscore

[vivid vessel]

bro that guy is based

[untold yarrow]

explain this now

[slow vale]

I don’t want to

😢

[vivid vessel]

it was early season

i had to do weeklies as sub at first

to like

get back into it

for raid

[untold yarrow]

yeah right buddy

[vivid vessel]

anyway

[untold yarrow]

i know the kind of man you are

[vivid vessel]

idk if i can say kir is better

i think for 99% of people ho is better

and maybe if i was playing ho i would do more damage who knows

[untold yarrow]

the trickster ho doesnt even feel like HO

ngl

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[untold yarrow]

the gameplay just feels "wrong"

playing around coup, UB and KS

its hard to describe it

ho in DF was very smooth

it lost that

[jolly geyser]

I dont mind playing ho or kir,but not the biggest fan of either

[vivid vessel]

[slow vale]

Now for KiR, I have gear to get me to 20% haste

would you reccomend that or prioritizing other stats

and going for swiftness flask

[vivid vessel]

you can sim

usually its like

you wanna get your 20% haste, with as much vers as possible

thats whats gonna sim the best

if doing that means using haste flask then be it

[slow vale]

fair enogh, ty dad

[frail veldt]

Lolol yep

Classic blizz

[vivid vessel]

ye well

wish i remembered

cause i didnt

[glass mortar]

did we not get a 11.1.7 leak last night

[frail veldt]

Hahahaa

[glass mortar]

😠

boo

wheres my friday night content

[west ridge]

@vivid vessel how to play orb boss in top

you just pray?

[glass mortar]

make sure where ur teleport ends up wont have a orb on it

u teleport fast enuff u wont take ticks of the orb generally

[vivid vessel]

feint befor

[glass mortar]

pre feint it as well it wont 1 shot u

even if u get a bad tick

[vivid vessel]

also this isnt true

[glass mortar]

i said generally

idk when i do that boss i maybe come out with a stagget like 20% of the time

maybe i just get very lucky tho?

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxwHunds1GD9gGX7pGb0BHA3cGHYHkIXLD @west ridge

so with feint up

the orbs dont one shot you in 17

so

i think you can prolly survive 18 aswell

i dont have priest or sham hp buff here

(this is stagger bug, happens a lot in here)

[west ridge]

what fucking orb hit you there

[vivid vessel]

none

its sagger bug

[glass mortar]

well an orb hit u, u just werent where u appeared to be on the screen during that last teleport right

ye

[west ridge]

....................................................................................................................................................................................

[glass mortar]

funny bugs

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt @glass mortar

thoughts on that one

[glass mortar]

xd

[frail veldt]

Yeah I think that's the thing again

Stagger didn't stagger

[desert tendon]

i think zac

something

lemme show u

[vivid vessel]

ye but

did you check the screenshots

[desert tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh7O5BV47lU

[vivid vessel]

or if you go in slow motion

right

[desert tendon]

that s me when u send ks stuff zac

you can be do

[vivid vessel]

like i dont end up where i started mewo

[desert tendon]

My bidou is happy today anyway

[vivid vessel]

thats weird no ?

[glass mortar]

i think that always happens tho if u die to the bug

[timid portal]

@vivid vessel could u send ur elvui profile code?

[vivid vessel]

i dont use elvui

its shadowed unit frames

you can find it on my wagio profiel

[vivid vessel]

idk

[frail veldt]

Oh yeah it could be the thing we thought

Where there's one invisible tp

[glass mortar]

wait ur a bozo u did end up where u pressed it no?

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

Cuz yeah it doesn't look like you ever touched it

[vivid vessel]

look at the screenshots

[glass mortar]

where u press kspree

on the right side of the table

where ur dead

on the right side of the table?

[frail veldt]

It looks like you ended where you started yeah

[vivid vessel]

no i didnt

[glass mortar]

looks like u did to me

[frail veldt]

Yeah so there's a delay

If you press KS

It starts from your position like 200ms ago

I've noticed that

[vivid vessel]

??

[glass mortar]

it could also be it looks like he run up and over the table and was midair when he pressed kspree

[frail veldt]

Like if you grapple KS it's very noticeable

[vivid vessel]

noi i wasnt

[glass mortar]

it probably picked a spot on the ground

[vivid vessel]

just watch in slow weran

its very obvious

[glass mortar]

i am

thats where i got the pics

[vivid vessel]

i dont end up where i started lol

?

open eyes weran

you are cooked

thats like 3 meters from where i pressed

[glass mortar]

zac

ur hitbox

is ur feet

where r ur feet in the first pic

ur looking at a slight angle

at ur upper body

where r ur feet

[vivid vessel]

im not im literally lookking down

my feets are under me

[glass mortar]

ur not ur at like a 80 degree angle

ur almost looking straight down

u can tell as u tp around tho

theres like a 15 or 10 degree angle

[vivid vessel]

?

you are so cooked

if you think

i end up

where i started

when watching this clip

[glass mortar]

i think the center of ur death body is where ur feet were

[vivid vessel]

no

i get that far

before starting ks

you think my feets are like

10 meters long

or what

just watch the movement

[glass mortar]

i did

[vivid vessel]

i know where my character is lol

its very obvious

[glass mortar]

i think ur wrong, and u can prove me wrong by streaming in 4k so i can make out whats happening better in these 0.25 speed videos

💅

oh my goodness u can actually see the non stagger teleport in 1 frame of this video

let me see if i can pause on it

fuk

its legit like 1 frame

[jolly geyser]

overthinking scuffed ability

[glass mortar]

there it is

u appear here for like 0.0001s

then die

xd

[vivid vessel]

well

my char isnt there tho its on the +

i think thats just the animation

[glass mortar]

yes

idk

[vivid vessel]

no i mean thats ambush animation

[glass mortar]

the animation isnt that fast

nah this is u at the start of a kspree animation

[vivid vessel]

if you slow ambush animation you also arent where you are

[glass mortar]

like one of the slap ins

yeye the animation is so extra it desynces from ur hitbox

im just saying i think this must be the bugged tp?

cause this is not 0.3s

ur character literally appears here

for 0.00001s

i had to go thru frame by frame

[vivid vessel]

nah thats just the animation

my body aint here

its on +

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/JazzyFancyCakeVoHiYo-nvnVsKnw3H4Ao8Xb

i think twitch is higher quality

is it not

[glass mortar]

maybe

is ur cursor circle thingy the duration of ks or just the gcd

[vivid vessel]

ye duration

[glass mortar]

ok

[glass mortar]

this teleport

[vivid vessel]

look at most

my feets

are there

[glass mortar]

is after the duration ends

[vivid vessel]

and they arent so

[glass mortar]

this is 100% the bugged teleport

even tho the game is saying ur hitbox is over there

idk what else would be

u teleport over here for 0.0001s after kspree circle is over then insta die and rubberband over

very cool spell

[trail star]

but

wasnt that the case in SL aswell

[glass mortar]

wasnt what the case

[trail star]

i remember that when using KS, you didnt end up in the same position you started

[glass mortar]

i never played it in sl so i couldnt tell u

ur supposed to tho, now a day anyway

[trail star]

and in s1 when i played it was the case aswell

s1 of tww

[glass mortar]

not sure about that, kspree has brought u back to the starting position since the rework in DF at least

havent ever had it put me a new place

[trail star]

wasnt there a dung whre you could ks and follow the boss?

and you would die because of fall dmg

[frail veldt]

That's cuz it sent you back

[glass mortar]

thats cause the boat moves

[frail veldt]

And fhe boat moved

Yeah

[glass mortar]

and ur kspree starting position doesnt

the boat in dawnbreaker is always moving

[trail star]

Oh they changed it

[proven ocean]

twitch is better than youtube

by alot

@vivid vessel

streaming wise

[trail star]

Well, it used to give immunity to ccs, wouldnt be bad to get that back

[glass mortar]

tbh i prefer youtube alot

[desert tendon]

as a viewer

youtube is better

as a streamer

twitch is better

[glass mortar]

ye basically

[desert tendon]

youtube stream so good

[trail star]

why tho?

[desert tendon]

can go back whenever, can pause

[glass mortar]

twitch also has twitch chat which is justu ndefeated

[desert tendon]

better quality also

[glass mortar]

because when i need to go pee

[desert tendon]

it s just the chat that is bad on yt

[glass mortar]

or make a coffee

i can pause stream

go do my thing

[trail star]

Yeah i see

[glass mortar]

then come back and watch at 2X speedto catch up to live

kinda wild twitch still has nothing like this

[desert tendon]

well you can watch the replay

[glass mortar]

ye i know but its so clunky compared

[desert tendon]

but most streamers nowadays are on sub only replays

[glass mortar]

or that yea

even when they arent its way more clunky

[trail star]

I find twitch way better at exploring streams by categories or games

[glass mortar]

oh i mean youtube for finding streamers is garbage

im just talking about streamers i already watch

if they twitch and youtube stream

i always pick youtube

but twitch is way more established as a streaming platform and has twitch chat which is undefeated etc

its just sad because i prefer the youtube player

[trail star]

There was an extension for that iirc, but was a bit meh

alternative player or alternative twitch

or something like that

[jolly geyser]

people can multi stream these days,so pick your poison

[vivid vessel]

i do that

but for myself mostly

[glass mortar]

ye i watch zac on youtube

then go to his twitch to shitpost in chat

its awkward

[novel socket]

[vivid vessel]

its just way better to check youtube vod

than twitch

[glass mortar]

mhm

[vivid vessel]

also twitch vod doesnt even work

so

like if i just died on a pull in raid

and i wanna check what happened

i open the twitch vod

and half the times

the vod ends before

and it never update

till 30 min later

cause that shit is cached or whatever and its mega buggy

[jolly geyser]

chat xp way better on twitch,youtube is better for quality

[vivid vessel]

while ytb i insta open the link and go back

easy as that

[jolly geyser]

[glass mortar]

twitch is very complacent with their player

they have such a grip on the streaming business

its abit sad

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

dont see it changing anytime soon tho

[jolly geyser]

they got the grippers

[vivid vessel]

imagine you have so little competiton

you can afford having the worse player in the game basically

[jolly geyser]

glad marvel rivals came along,ow2 aint bad

wow needs big competitor

[stray ginkgo]

Ow2 ehhh

I hate the meta man i hate how tanks work in there

[jolly geyser]

I play 6vs6,its good

[stray ginkgo]

The chars are mostly fun though

[jolly geyser]

I just wish 6vs6 wasnt open que

[untold yarrow]

should i play my pally or dk for tanking wdyt team

[stray ginkgo]

Meh, I think shooters just not for me anymore, too old

[trail star]

isnt ff a direct competitor?

[bright crane]

bro i been messina round with arcane

shits not that hard

[untold yarrow]

bruh

get off that class NOW

[bright crane]

why

[untold yarrow]

otp outlaw 😡

[bright crane]

whats otp

[untold yarrow]

one trick pony

wtf

[bright crane]

oh

[untold yarrow]

rare twitch W recommended outlaw streamer playing kir

[bright crane]

i know that as one time password rofl

[vivid vessel]

where

[untold yarrow]

https://www.twitch.tv/unfortunateew

[vivid vessel]

i follow every outlaw streamer i think

[untold yarrow]

rank 5

outlaw i think

[vivid vessel]

i tought she was ho one trick

[bright crane]

she is a true ol gamer

[untold yarrow]

nah she is kir

[bright crane]

against all odds

she persists

[vivid vessel]

ye

[untold yarrow]

insane mental

[vivid vessel]

very cool

[untold yarrow]

i legit didnt know anyone still streamed this spec

except zac

[bright crane]

she streams like

damn near 24/7

[vivid vessel]

i thijnk its me and her rn

idk any other outlaw streamer

i rmemeber there was another on in df

[bright crane]

when ramfam was around

[untold yarrow]

whole DF?

[bright crane]

rip in peace

[vivid vessel]

oh well there was shantiana at some point

but im thinking about someeone else

but i cant remmeber

[untold yarrow]

jpc

[vivid vessel]

[bright crane]

there was a flaunty who at least posted videos on youtube

if he streamed on twitch idk what the handle is

[untold yarrow]

i streamed in DF

i streamed 4h a day

whole stream was signups

+28 decline stream

[west ridge]

wox

[vivid vessel]

true

wox assa one triuck now

[west ridge]

how can you forget the na goat

@analog fog

is thsi true?

[vivid vessel]

oh konaz

thats who i was thinking about i think

but i think she just have been playing assa since tww

[desert tendon]

even i rerolled

[west ridge]

eww

wizard

[desert tendon]

you re the last rampart zac

protecc outlo

[stiff glade]

I rerolled to not playing at all this season

[vivid vessel]

i think unfortunate will never stop playing outalw

so

[desert tendon]

you ll quit wow before quitting outlaw

[stiff glade]

Very true

[west ridge]

theres barely any rogue streamers left

let alone ones playing outlaw

[trail star]

llmch too

[desert tendon]

what llmch too

did he left outlo?

@royal hollow 😠

[trail star]

no i mean he streams

[desert tendon]

oh

nvm llmch u cute little vulpera me nuu mad anymoar

[trail star]

dude i was leveling a vulepra dk and was literally drowing in De other side

and couldnt tank XD

there is a part with water in that dung

[desert tendon]

i was dwarf then

impossible to play there

just swiming

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

try to setup ur outlaw rogue

we want to try to push 18/19s with outlaw later

play ur keys without cheat death if u wanna join tho

[vivid vessel]

why would you want an outlaw rogeu

[proven ocean]

if ur not interested all good i think we're mostly gonna play with canexx anyway

well

with a dk and sin

u dont need aoe

just st and very small cleave

so

[vivid vessel]

hm

nah im good

i dont wanna play high keys

i will just die on cd its not fun

I dont want to look like a fool

[glass mortar]

we need our vulpera outlaw guide

😠

i dont have any good video guides for law to recommend now a day

it sucks to learn this spec

ngl

i understand why we have zero influx

our written guides r great but for a spec like outlaw it really helps to see how the flow plays out, especially for trickster

[reef forge]

outlaw feels terrible recently, i'm getting gapped on boss dam

i felt like that was our niche

[glass mortar]

u can still do good boss damage its just

not in ur hands xd

if ur playing HO on dungeon bosses

its basically did u get at least 1 5 roll during the boss > u did fine

[reef forge]

i mean i'm not bad at outlaw

[glass mortar]

if u didnt, u did not do fine

[reef forge]

im not zac but i'm not fresh to it