outlaw

[sharp sand]

I definitely am not KSing enough still.

13% on target dummy sim and mine was 7% dmg.

Does the sim think I have the 5 buff the entirety of the time? I definitely was crushing with big rolls. But once I rolled onsey twoseyes I was crashing.

[vivid vessel]

the sim is like yuou

its just a robot

doing a fight

[sharp sand]

Ah

[vivid vessel]

thousands of times

[sharp sand]

It clicks all the right buttons tho? lol

[vivid vessel]

and at the end you get an average of all these pulls

[vivid vessel]

indeed

[sharp sand]

Ya I need to figure out where to refine. @frail veldt <- I ran with this guy and he was almost identical to the sim.

[frail veldt]

lol

[sharp sand]

Obviously I’m not clicking my buttons right still.

[vivid vessel]

mewo is a noob tho

[frail veldt]

its true

[vivid vessel]

ye see

[sharp sand]

If he’s a noob I’m an absolute 💩

[whole patrol]

Yeah my Sims are better than I am, atleast for Outlaw lol. Assassination Sims I'm close af too though

[frail veldt]

I play the game at half speed so I can do my rotation better

[quaint wharf]

Whats your ar uptime lookin like on the dummy

[sharp sand]

I’d have to look. I didn’t even do a log I was just looking at the details meter breakdown.

[quaint wharf]

It shows in details

Tab to the aura section

[sharp sand]

Ok I’ll look

[sharp sand]

83%

[frail veldt]

thats pretty good

[sharp sand]

Ok I lied KS was 10% not 13

[frail veldt]

Also if youw ant to compare yourself to the sim and youre just practicing on a target dummy make sure you turn off the raid buffs from the sim

[sharp sand]

I probably could have squeezed more KS in because I vanished at the wrong time a few times, where Ks came off CD in subterfuge

[frail veldt]

yeah checking ks cd is important

[sharp sand]

I probably need to have a timer on it. I don’t have one so I just see it grayed out blizzard Ui and guess

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel have we checked KS cd vanish condition changing based on whether TB is up?

[quaint wharf]

Timer on what

Subterfuge?

[sharp sand]

Like how much time u til its off cd

[frail veldt]

bro turn on cd numbers

[sharp sand]

Ks

[frail veldt]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter much

[frail veldt]

youre a madlad

[vivid vessel]

its all like

20s isnt a real number either

[frail veldt]

ive been doing 30

[vivid vessel]

can be 30 can be 10 can be 40

its like

[frail veldt]

yeaaah I feel that

[vivid vessel]

just vanish when ks is on cd

[frail veldt]

honeslty I change it around

based on so many things

I just guess how much cdr my subterfuge will give

total vibes

[vivid vessel]

idk i often vanish after a ks anyway so

doesnt matter much

[sharp sand]

Is this regular blizzard Ui feature too?

[vivid vessel]

but like

[frail veldt]

if I have 5 buff I sometimes bump it up

[vivid vessel]

outlaw is just feels you know

do what vibes with you no cap

[quaint wharf]

bro zac i didnt know the crackshot wa i use was yours

[frail veldt]

its way more vibes than in DF

[quaint wharf]

until like a couple days ago

[frail veldt]

in DF I felt like there was always an explicitly correct next gcd

[vivid vessel]

every weak auras is mine buddy

[quaint wharf]

Kek

[vivid vessel]

I made them all

which weak aura pack you using chubbs guy

[frail veldt]

yeah it should be

[quaint wharf]

i use afenar for general rogue stuff

then the crackshot one

[frail veldt]

if you go into the options now theres a search funciton and you can probably search "cooldown" and find the setting to turn it on

[vivid vessel]

thats my cp bar

bet you didnt know that

[quaint wharf]

no sir

[vivid vessel]

see

i told you

im everywhere

[frail veldt]

cp WAs 🤮

[patent lion]

I knew it

[quaint wharf]

but it was funny because i got like 1 million lua errors in a sec

[vivid vessel]

dont shitalk my cp bar

[quaint wharf]

i went to update and i was like wait

zac?

[vivid vessel]

i know you about to

[quaint wharf]

lol

[patent lion]

I use edited afenar

why would I shit talk

[vivid vessel]

ok good

[frail veldt]

I make my own

can i shit talk

[vivid vessel]

no shittalk in here

[patent lion]

no one asked mewo

[vivid vessel]

your own cp bar ?

[frail veldt]

my ui is beautiful

[patent lion]

[vivid vessel]

mine is better

[quaint wharf]

day 1 of asking for wowanalyzer @vivid vessel

[frail veldt]

[quaint wharf]

time to make this a trend

[vivid vessel]

Hm

I feel like

Soon tm

This year maybe

[quaint wharf]

[vivid vessel]

I'm about to give up on playing soon

[shy meteor]

For a Log review thread do I Just have to Post it in Here ? Or what am i supposed to do?

[vivid vessel]

I might need to do something else with my hands

[quaint wharf]

Not allowed

Sorry

[patent lion]

bro I know I been hating on zac enough but even I have my limits, I would never ask my greatest opp to maintain fucking wowanalyzer

[vivid vessel]

[quaint wharf]

[frail veldt]

lololol

[vivid vessel]

I have things tho

That I learned from the first time

I know how I could maintain outlaw wowa

With giga minimal effort

• at the time ias weren't really a thing

[stuck patrol]

Just have it track adr uptime

If it's low, ur bad

If high, ur a pro

[vivid vessel]

And on god they op to help you code stuffs like that

[frail veldt]

whats wowanalyzer written in?

[vivid vessel]

It's JavaScript

Not JavaScript

[frail veldt]

nvm

[vivid vessel]

The one above

What's the name

Forgot

[strong wraith]

Hey zac, is KiR still a thing is or HOthe play now in raid

[vivid vessel]

JavaScript on crack

[vivid vessel]

Idk

Ho sims better in every scenario

But the best outlaw player in the world plays kir only

So who knows

[strong wraith]

Ty fam

[frail veldt]

wox plays HO?

[patent lion]

typescript

[quaint wharf]

wrong

[vivid vessel]

Ye he does

Type script ye

[frail veldt]

lolol

[quaint wharf]

wox plays sin

[frail veldt]

im just goofin

[stuck patrol]

Is KSless HO better than KIR?

[frail veldt]

never even heard of typescript

sounds awful

[quaint wharf]

ikik lolol

[stuck patrol]

Assuming no

[vivid vessel]

It's JavaScript

But on crack idk

[frail veldt]

KSless HO is bad

[vivid vessel]

But these type of languages are so cooked cause

You can do anything with them

[frail veldt]

"anything"

[quaint wharf]

KSless HO

[vivid vessel]

But you don't know what you can do

[dawn talon]

well

[quaint wharf]

Sounds awful

[vivid vessel]

That's why now that ias are a thing

It's op

[dawn talon]

u can technically do anything with js

[vivid vessel]

Cause they know

[dawn talon]

i wouldn't tho

[vivid vessel]

You don't have to know yourself

[frail veldt]

what are ias?

[vivid vessel]

Ais

[frail veldt]

oh lol

[vivid vessel]

Chat gpt cuh

[frail veldt]

I wasnt sure if typo

[vivid vessel]

What a typi

As french

Mb

[quaint wharf]

Chatgpt: write a script to tell this idiot why he sucks at maintaining ar

[vivid vessel]

Do be like that sometimes

[patent lion]

the thing about wowanalyzer is you do a fuck ton of free work, your name is on the thing as a maintainer, and then if anything goes wrong it's your fault too while archon/wcl takes all the credit for having wowa It's basically like maintaining simcraft except it's slavery for archon

[vivid vessel]

Not like that but basically

[vivid vessel]

Meh

I agree but also

I won't ever feel bad for stopping maintaining it

So not really your fault you know

It's like you can do it

And people will be happy about it

[patent lion]

yeh I mean it's a good thing to have maintained obv

[shy meteor]

!log

[patent lion]

it's a tool that can help

[vivid vessel]

And if you don't it's not me that will carr

[frail veldt]

yeah ai has saved me a lot when using super high level languages that are full of a bunch of esoteric methods you never knew existed

[vivid vessel]

But idk for outlaw wowA can be mega op

[frail veldt]

do it

dare you

[vivid vessel]

Back when I did it in df

The thing that was working good

Was the apl checker

Cause outlaw works like that

It's just a bunch of small mistakes

Not concepts you need to explain

Just press right button

And the apl checker is mega easy to maintain

So that's my plan if I decide to do it again

[sharp sand]

Yikes. Comparing my details to the sim, my BtE was 19% overall dmg and the sim was 31%. I can't explain.

[vivid vessel]

The sim incluse dispatches from crackshot

Won't match with details

[sharp sand]

Oh ok.

I see that now, drop down arrow. TY

looks like 24% without dispatches.

[stuck patrol]

Aw shit, you can only buy mythic raid gear with dinars if you killed the mythic bosses? Guess I ain't getting a mythic fist weapon. I work full time and have a gf, I don't got time for mythic raid smh

[frail veldt]

ive been just pugging the first two bosses

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue

[frail veldt]

its pretty doable

[stuck patrol]

Mythic plus life for me

[frail veldt]

I have a gf, fulltime job, AND 3 dogs

you can do it

[vivid vessel]

Can't wait till you pug mugzee mythic

[frail veldt]

gotta believe in yourself

[quaint wharf]

U can forsure pug cauldron

[frail veldt]

if there wasnt the bullshit mythic lockout I think I could get there

[stuck patrol]

No I mean mugzee fist

[frail veldt]

by end of season

[quaint wharf]

Oh yeah ggs

[stuck patrol]

I can easily get a myth track weapon in vault bc I M+

[frail veldt]

aaaah yeah thats rough

is the mugzee one even that bis?

I thought it was kinda meh

[quaint wharf]

Honestly though

[stuck patrol]

It goes hard on st I believe

[quaint wharf]

Myth cauldron wep + crafted is enough i feel like

[stuck patrol]

It is but it's still kinda lame

[quaint wharf]

Yeah i agree

[vivid vessel]

Better than gally

[quaint wharf]

Just one of those things u gotta take the L on

[frail veldt]

blizzard reaaaaaally likes exclusivity of raid gear

[stuck patrol]

Can probably nab a mythic trike trinket though

Not sure if that's the best thing to buy

[stuck patrol]

I honestly don't know why, I've always seen mythic raid as more of a challenge to accomplish to get the bragging rights and the achievements

I don't think having exclusive gear is really necessary in the game at this point but w/e

[vivid vessel]

I'm glad there is

Cause that means I get to farm logs

I love farming logs

And if there wasn't gear to get

People would stop raiding after prog

[stuck patrol]

Logs are the real endgame

[glass mortar]

mogs*

[vivid vessel]

True and real

[stuck patrol]

Need that pink parses number to activate dopamine

[vivid vessel]

I need someone to give me the tech for first boss log

It's the only one I can't understand

[frail veldt]

run with shittier team

and 5 roll on damage amp

[quaint wharf]

You needa get 2 phases

Prob

[frail veldt]

true

[vivid vessel]

I think it's the opposite

We always troll first boss

And we don't get 2 damage amps

[frail veldt]

well I think theres like "optimal" boss death timers

like if you get only 1 damage amp

ideally he dies RIGHT after a damage amp

thats like the bis timing

[vivid vessel]

Well you gotta kill very fast after that damage amp

[hasty warren]

which boss ?

[frail veldt]

anything else and its a shit parse

[vivid vessel]

That ain't happening tho

[frail veldt]

so either you kill very slow

or very very fast

[stuck patrol]

I just don't have the time or energy to deal with being a mythic raider. Maybe if it didn't have a 20 player requirement I'd do it, I have a solid group of 10-14 friends I do aotc with every tier, and we could do mythic raid based on skill alone

We just don't want to pug lol

[quaint wharf]

Well the thing that sucks about that is the lockout thing can screw you

[stuck patrol]

We basically raid 2 hours a day on weekends only, I hear of people progging mythic raid 5 hours a day and I'm just like

[quaint wharf]

If ur pugging the last 6

[stuck patrol]

Lmao yuck

[quaint wharf]

You cant really prog besides 1 day

[frail veldt]

id like this

I cant raid on weekdays

cant even get on wow until like 9pm

and im PST so half the country is going to bed by then

[stuck patrol]

Like honestly I respect it, players working hard to get the hard content down, I don't want to take away from that. I just don't understand how everyone getting access to three mythic items from the raid after the tier is basically over is such a bad thing

Let people have fun

But life goes on

[stuck patrol]

Same lol

We raid 12-2a CST

[quaint wharf]

Thats gotta be awful

[frail veldt]

those are the peaceful hours

[stuck patrol]

It's not, I'm normally a night owl. I work 2nd shift/graveyards

[frail veldt]

everyone else in the house is asleep

[stuck patrol]

^this

[frail veldt]

perfect gaming time

[stuck patrol]

I love the night

[quaint wharf]

I just feel like i wont be fresh

Progging half asleep

But if youre a night owl that works out

[stuck patrol]

Ye, I'm prolly most awake during that time

[quaint wharf]

Idk its kinda sad because im in a “for fun” guild and its basically just a bunch of us friends. Its fun at times but other times it feels like im being held back a bit

Like theres 0% chance we clear gally this tier

[cold jewel]

a mage coming in here and asking this question after roasting zac is peak comedy btw

[hasty warren]

cyrce isn't bis for us anymore ?

[stuck patrol]

Mythic gally?

[quaint wharf]

Yeah mythic

[vivid vessel]

dont start beef with my best buddy the mage ok

[hasty warren]

I though i'd keep it longer

[stuck patrol]

It is, you may need to swap some gems around depending on what content you're doing

For instance, stat gem instead of st gem tends to do better in dslice

And you shouldn't be using legendary gem anymore

[hasty warren]

raid mainly and pushing m+ too

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eZYPZoZ3Y51fvXejhsqAFt

[frail veldt]

cyrces is still very strong in ST

hard to replace in that

m+ it gets replaced easily though

[hasty warren]

top mastery vers ring sim better for me

[frail veldt]

even in ST?

[hasty warren]

y it's patchwerk 1 target

[frail veldt]

interesting

[stuck patrol]

You're using legendary gem

In third slot

[hasty warren]

maybe i'm not using good gems ?

[stuck patrol]

Swap it with the stat gem

[frail veldt]

oh yeah maybe

[hasty warren]

oh shit

[dawn talon]

it's even funnier to me bc i legit had just finished a rookery key

[frail veldt]

just check wclogs

to see what others are running

[stuck patrol]

Legendary gem was nerfed

[hasty warren]

it's stat gem so ?

[dawn talon]

and said 'dude i feel like im fucking trolling people on last boss'

HAHAHAHA

[stuck patrol]

Use stat gem in st and aoe

[hasty warren]

kk tyvm

[stuck patrol]

In place of legendsry

[jolly geyser]

rogue legendary in s3,trust

[proven ocean]

guys

[quaint wharf]

fuck a legendary

fix ks

[proven ocean]

how come

no

[vivid vessel]

i mean thats just outlaw on every damage ramp boss ever since the end of times

[proven ocean]

legendary

oh

cuz

we got last exp

in s2

and s3

bu t

this time

no lego?

cuh?

[stuck patrol]

Note with stat gem- if you have different gear sets for HO/KIR or outlaw/sin/sub, remember to change gems and equip/unequip the ring to make sure the "x of your highest secondary stat" gem resets to the stat you want it to

[glass mortar]

its gunna be a caster legendary lets be honest

void expansion

[proven ocean]

zaccy waccy

[glass mortar]

or its gunna be some holy light staff

[proven ocean]

?

zaccy waccy

[dawn talon]

idk how u have the willpower to push so much playing outlaw

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

uwu riossy

[dawn talon]

i hit medium keys and just

want to raidlog

[proven ocean]

riossy

wtf

[jolly geyser]

its gonna be xalatath toe legendary

[dawn talon]

bc i sit for 40 min waiting to play 1 key

[vivid vessel]

eh idk, i get depressed after every key session i do these days

[frail veldt]

yeah idgi

[dawn talon]

and feel myself actively grief people

[frail veldt]

fuck a legendary

[vivid vessel]

ks and doing no damage will do that for you

[frail veldt]

why do people want that

[dawn talon]

i could just login to my druid i ahvent played since sl

[jolly geyser]

its orange

[dawn talon]

and learn moonkin

in 45 minutes

[hasty warren]

i'm otp outlaw for dps i will not swap build, but ty i'll remember to do it if needed

[quaint wharf]

based

[dawn talon]

impossible to die most broken spell in the game (beam) crazy damage profile and good every tier bc tettles complains and downplays from frame 0 every season

[frail veldt]

yeah im gearing my dk

cba

free wins

[cold jewel]

it's simple

[stuck patrol]

👍
Yeah if you do KIR for st and HO for M+, your haste might end up being your highest stat for KIR, and vers for HO

[cold jewel]

he's addicted

[stuck patrol]

I just noticed that I need to make it give me vers when I'm playing HO

[quaint wharf]

boomie goes hard i wont lie

you can hit gally all the way from dalaran

the range is actually crazy

[hasty warren]

pref kir in m+

ho is boring

[stuck patrol]

I disagree but I respect it brother

[frail veldt]

HO SC with trickster isnt too bad

[cold jewel]

If Outlaw has a million fans, then I one of them. If Outlaw has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Outlaw has only one fan then that is me. If Outlaw has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Outlaw, then I am against the world.

[frail veldt]

as someone who previously hated HO in pve

I think HO trickster is still rather compelling

[dawn talon]

i can tolerate playing that new ho build

[frail veldt]

it feels similar in complexity to KiR fatebound

tbh

[dawn talon]

like, if i were playing 2pt fth kir before

i would've swapped

[vivid vessel]

i think losing the builders stuffs

is just too much

cause thats like all the time as kir

[dawn talon]

but im like a 1pt fth addict now

[frail veldt]

UB proc management adds enough

[vivid vessel]

you think about your cps right

and ho doesnt

doesnt feel the same

[vivid vessel]

not in the same way tho

[frail veldt]

yeah its not exactly the same

[quaint wharf]

maybe next season will be the time i learn KiR

[vivid vessel]

• ho doesnt really do anyhitng particular

for ub management i mean

[frail veldt]

it does

[dawn talon]

i also kinda just don't like hitting ambush

[glass mortar]

i thought it did but it doesnt

[frail veldt]

it has similar prioritization for consuming UB

[frail veldt]

it def still does

[hasty warren]

ho feels like i'm doing the same thing over and over

[dawn talon]

but like overall beggars can't be choosers and i was def begging for them to make ho less boring

[stuck patrol]

SC?

[quaint wharf]

supercharger

[frail veldt]

if youre at 3 stacks EB and have a UB proc and you dont have ambush proc but you have PS proc youd still want to SS to get to 4 and depending on resulting cp you would potential PS after into coup

[dawn talon]

i think if deft were numerically good and that low cp deft rule mattered

i would enjoy it a lot more

[frail veldt]

theyre all minor optimizations but they def do exist

the corner cases are plenty lol

[hasty warren]

oh, breaking stealth with trinket don't proc sub

[frail veldt]

yep

[hasty warren]

again

[stuck patrol]

Yeah I def find HO trickster compelling. I like managing UB procs

If KS wasn't so risky to play it would be the perfect spec for me

I still like KIR

But fatebound is so mindnumbingly boring

[dawn talon]

i think ub is a fucking awesome mechanic

[frail veldt]

if KS wasnt so dangerous id probably go back to playing kir trickster

[dawn talon]

but ks is sooooooooooooo insanely dogshit like the worst thing ive ever had ot play with in a game in my entire life

[glass mortar]

it should be better

the way u play around managing it really isnt all that great

[frail veldt]

but avoiding dying to KS is enough of a job that it actually makes me want to play HO more

[glass mortar]

it should just be able to stack up past 1 coup

[hasty warren]

ks in raid is too deadly imo

[dawn talon]

i really liek that

conditional low cp finishers are fun imo

[stuck patrol]

I agree, esp the latter half of the raid

[hasty warren]

real

[stuck patrol]

I've been playing it in keys though, if you're smart it's doable

[bright crane]

requires u to know like

every little detail about the dungeon

[hasty warren]

sometimes it's unplables, but never the whole key

there is some bosses it's realy hard to find the safe timing

[bright crane]

or u got a like

5 second window to cast it

[quaint wharf]

or

[bright crane]

or u p much cant for another 30-45 or w/e

[quaint wharf]

u find the window

but you dont realize its supercharged

[stuck patrol]

Yeah it takes dungeon knowledge and honestly I like the challenge

[quaint wharf]

and the window is gg

[dawn talon]

i need to stop being lazy

[bright crane]

loool sending a sc ks

[dawn talon]

and tack my sc

lol

[stuck patrol]

With raid fights it's basically like, you're just dead LMAO

[dawn talon]

i have not been tracking it the entire season

[bright crane]

just take a short break as ur char travels around the globe

[hasty warren]

my RL insult me each time I say "ok now I can KS"

[stuck patrol]

Been playing sin in raid bc fatebound kir makes me fall asleep

[quaint wharf]

wtf

[bright crane]

fb kir is fine

i wish we were still playing fb

[quaint wharf]

sin in raid is beyond sleeper for me

[dawn talon]

fb ho is the most boring thing everr

to me

[frail veldt]

thatd be really nice

[stuck patrol]

In pure st sure

[hasty warren]

honnestly triks is way better to play than fb

fb is fully passive

[stuck patrol]

Why cant blizzard let me beat a mob to death with an oversized coin like come on

[bright crane]

dont have to deal with ks

wins in all situations

[hasty warren]

i'd realy like a system of finisher management for fb where u have to get tail or head depending the situation

[bright crane]

like if damage was equal

willing to bet cash everybody would play fb

[quaint wharf]

bc its safer sure

[jolly geyser]

ofc

[stuck patrol]

I mean I would probably yeah, but it's still boring in comparison to trickster imo

[quaint wharf]

yeah

[stuck patrol]

At least there's some stuff to manage in sin

[vivid vessel]

ok but if ks was just a normla finisher

trickster is way better

it has actual gameplay

[stuck patrol]

^^^^^

[vivid vessel]

and no cringe capstone you gotta maintain between packs

[frail veldt]

1000%

[vivid vessel]

and better damage profile

[stuck patrol]

Zac has the facts

[vivid vessel]

fb litteraly lose prio in aoe

thats crazy right

[frail veldt]

fb tree is full of the most aids mechanics ever

[vivid vessel]

you just lose like 5/10% st

[frail veldt]

that you cant even play around

[vivid vessel]

while in aoe

[frail veldt]

just an awful awful design

[vivid vessel]

wild ?

ye wild

terrible design

[frail veldt]

everything in fatebound is a meme

[vivid vessel]

• fuck ass rng

oh and

[dawn talon]

it's like almost hard to believe

[vivid vessel]

reminder

adr break stealth

[dawn talon]

that fatebound made it past qa

[frail veldt]

COIN BUG

[stuck patrol]

Fatebound needs rework or KS needs rework

[vivid vessel]

and you need a macro for your opener

[frail veldt]

adr break stealth lol

[vivid vessel]

to cancel aura stealth

[quaint wharf]

theres a coin animation on the floor tho guys

[vivid vessel]

then adr

[frail veldt]

the fact that if you proc double coin when youre at 6

you skip the 7 stack

[vivid vessel]

thoughts?

[frail veldt]

thats actually

such a fucking joke

[stuck patrol]

We are the qa

[hasty warren]

wait it's because of fb ?

[frail veldt]

yeah

adr shoots a coin

[hasty warren]

so cringe

[quaint wharf]

yeah

[frail veldt]

yeup

intended too

[quaint wharf]

bro i remember last season

[frail veldt]

it used to be on the next finisher

then they moved it to adr

[vivid vessel]

ye

[quaint wharf]

i would early pull bosses

[hasty warren]

I though it was a bug

[vivid vessel]

thats crazy right

[quaint wharf]

before i knew

[vivid vessel]

theyu moved it

to adr

[quaint wharf]

[vivid vessel]

while it was on next finisher

[frail veldt]

I mean it kind of is

its an intended bug

lol

[vivid vessel]

think a guy that ever played outalw did that ?

no

[hasty warren]

feature*

[vivid vessel]

pure incompentece

[stuck patrol]

This actually makes me mad. This should be the easiest fix in the world but they don't do shit

[hasty warren]

wait, blizz dev play wow ?

[vivid vessel]

deff aint playing outlaw

[quaint wharf]

bring back douple coup

[dawn talon]

yes it is part of the job description

u have to play the game

[ruby gale]

They all play mage

[hasty warren]

and hunt

[stuck patrol]

This was actually so fun, they should add it into trickster as a feature

[quaint wharf]

100%

[hasty warren]

I'll bet with friend that outlaw we'll not be mentionned in next patch

[quaint wharf]

they accidentally did something cool then took it away

unfortunate

.7 patch is KS fix guys

[hasty warren]

[stuck patrol]

When it happens to mage (arcane) they bake the bug as a feature

Bc mage is Blizzard's class

[hasty warren]

aren't we one of the least played class rn ?

I think aug and survi are below

[quaint wharf]

yeah

[frail veldt]

Classes yes

[hasty warren]

spec*

[frail veldt]

Specs were above Aug I think

[hasty warren]

sry

[stuck patrol]

Depends on the meta at any given time

[frail veldt]

And sub is also low

Affi too

[quaint wharf]

arcane was right next to us

before buff

[stuck patrol]

If monk or evo is good, rogue is least played class

If those two are bad, they are less played than rogue

It's been that way for years

Prolly because rogue is actual aids to level up

[hasty warren]

rogue playerbase is solid

[stuck patrol]

So people try it and hate it

[hasty warren]

now it's ok

i mean u can get 80 only by doing dj

[dawn talon]

and also

[stuck patrol]

I mean, unless something changed recently I'm still pretty sure it's shit

[dawn talon]

rogue is very dnd 3.5e

[stuck patrol]

Basically all the talents that give rogue qol are down at the bottom of the tree

[hasty warren]

actually outlaw is not bad at low lvl

it have realy good dmamages

[stuck patrol]

Most of my WoW friends have never gotten a rogue to max level lol

[stuck patrol]

I'm not talking damage, I'm talking about how it plays

All the rogue specs feel extremely slow and have weak survivability till later levels

[hasty warren]

mb so, imo low lvl characters are boring to play anyway

[stuck patrol]

Yeah but at least they can press buttons lol

[hasty warren]

it's true energy regen is a pain during leveling

[stuck patrol]

Low level rogue rn almost at the level of classic rogue

[dawn talon]

as a monk hitting spinning crane kick 25 times is whatever

bc your guy is doing something

as a rogue you legit

are auto attacking mobs

[hasty warren]

a friend of mine was pexing a rogue for a chalenge and he realy loved having energy buff with rtb xd

[dawn talon]

for 2.5s uninterrupted

[hasty warren]

bruh why there's outlaw taking my place in m+, let me play

[stuck patrol]

Feels awful to pull some shit, be at low health, and your choices are only:

1. Slowly keep attacking and hopefully kill them before they kill you
2. Use your energy to use a shitty heal and thus do less damage and maybe die anyway
3. Hopefully have vanish to get away

Leveling a rogue sucks lol

[hasty warren]

leveling as warlock is painfull too

u have 0 haste

takes 5 sec to cast

mobs are dead before u end cast

taging m+ at 2am as outlaw ... wanna got sleep and retry tomorow i guess

gn pirates see u

[stuck patrol]

Later me heartie

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel u enter a key and see this wyd

i swear my friend is trying to get us blacklisted from pugs

[stuck patrol]

Pretty sure I left a key group when someone posted something like this

[glass mortar]

was it a druid

[desert tendon]

i say meowdy adventurers let s pUwUmp this key to the mOwOn

[stuck patrol]

Beats me, it was quite a few months ago

During s1 prolly

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-based-breathtaking-gif-22127601

[runic bough]

Hi my name is Ryukage and I approve of this joining pug chat greeting.

I should start saying some funny stuff like this

Hi my name is ryukage and just because outlaw sucks, doesn't mean I suck. Now invite me to your party.

Granted I'm not great as ks yet

Even after learning ks addition to rotation I'm not gonna be proud of learning it.

[glass mortar]

bro

what the fuck

i just did first boss mythic as HO trickster

i didnt get a 5 buff the entire fight

half my rolls were 1 buffs

how do i do damage @vivid vessel

the maximum buffs i had during a burn was 3

1 rtb 2 cto

☠️

[dense bolt]

i had a dungeon where i rolled 5 buffs twice

[glass mortar]

what the fuckkkk

[dense bolt]

like with ho

feels like im rolling more

than ever

thats why i pivoted to kir 1 fth

[glass mortar]

am i bugged

i have not rolled a 5 buff

since i entered this raid

cleared trash all the way to second boss no 5 buffs

[dense bolt]

17% BROTHA

[glass mortar]

ive rolled at least 30 times

[dense bolt]

GL!

[glass mortar]

[dense bolt]

🙂

[dawn talon]

dude

i rolled

gm, bt snc, gm bt, rp, tb gm

in our reclear

this week

[glass mortar]

imma crash out i made 2 mistakes the whole fight that i noticed and dropped AR for 5 seconds to do a bike

[dawn talon]

i was so fucking mad

[glass mortar]

and i just did zero damage

i got no rolls

where r my rolls man

[runic bough]

It feels nice to get no buffs and losing adr to burn phase huh

Other specs just have to time their cds

Would be nice to have a way to force buffs

Like the vigor points with dragon flying

Force a few vigor when your empty

But for outlaw it could be

Force adr back on or something

...but no we have to play perfectly and still rely on rng.

And fuck us if there is any role-playing in the fight.

Maybe we are just meant to be oppressed

Treated as outlaws fits the lore

[glass mortar]

1 buff > 1 buff > 2 buff > 1 buff > 1 buff > 1 buff on that cauldron wipe

[viral bison]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[glass mortar]

why did i even log on tonight

[dense bolt]

yea thats where kir cto saves ya

[runic bough]

Someone recommended to take gs instead of cto

I guess I didn't have gs

[late swallow]

Blicky shot is back

Welcome home king

[stuck patrol]

For HO trickster, if I find myself at full combo points with KS available and coup available, the correct move is to KS into a 1-2 CP coup, correct?

[late swallow]

I’ve been waiting to give you this 👑

[stuck patrol]

Ay homie

[glass mortar]

if u dont have ps or ambush ye

[stuck patrol]

Word, ty

[stuck patrol]

I play WoW with a crown on with only one hand (the other hand is on my blicky)

[true cedar]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[viral bison]

i swapped to assa but when i play i still hear BTE sound

help me

am i cursed?

the sound of its refill still in my head

[stuck patrol]

Yea

Lol no it's the sound of the 4pc set bonus proccing

[viral bison]

BUT IM PLAYING ASSA

its the exact same sound

[stuck patrol]

Just means for 5 seconds your crimson tempest, rupture, and envenom do more damage, can't lose stacks, and are more effective

The buff part of 4pc sin makes that noise when it procs

Or a similar sound

I'm saying it's probably that

[viral bison]

ahh maybe

my wife is mad at me (BTE)

sorry honey i fall for the neighbors wife

[runic bough]

Yeah for real

[slate plaza]

one key off of 3k

i needa find me a push group

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel hi zac

are u asleep

or what

?

zac

?

[runic bough]

Zeross why u not sleep?

[proven ocean]

well

i have nothing to do

i dont work

no school

no unvierstiy

nothing

just wow

so

ye

ofc im awake

[runic bough]

How many alts do you play

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel this is a work of art

[abstract frost]

Yup

[late swallow]

How do you afford to live

[abstract frost]

The ST cook is crazy with this one

[proven ocean]

sec

i have

a stronger cook

[proven ocean]

this one is alot of more st but like -1.2% behind in dslice

u basically ignore garrote in aoe

i think this is particularily good in keys like darkflame

where adds do die quite quickly and u wont get any garrote value off of them since they have almost 0 hp

so serrated bone spike will have some great value and some good rupture sniping while nuking alot of poison dmg

[desert tendon]

YO

no garrot talents

if you show that in assa you get insta banned @proven ocean

[runic bough]

That why he's in here

[proven ocean]

idk that build is definitely undersimming btw

its fucked in the apl

and it does rly good dmg in keys

[desert tendon]

i mean everything undersim as assa no cap

[proven ocean]

double shiv

into tea

xd

like

wtf is that

[desert tendon]

the apl looks like a mess once you start to take differents talents than what was thought about

[proven ocean]

it doesnt even use shiv on kingsbane

[proven ocean]

well

outlaw doesnt mess up

anyways

i think

sin poison build is just rly good in high keys

u do press garrote still with this build

just once only

in aoe

because

[desert tendon]

thing is for outlaw u do the same stuff on 1 2 4 20 50 targets

[proven ocean]

u can still spread it to 3 targets

per cast

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

its still worth

kinda

maybe

idk

depending on the situation i guess

but ye

@desert tendon this is a build that sims -2% of that dashing build

i think dashing is way better in real gameplay too

[desert tendon]

I still think kb really sucks and can be replaced

but idk by why

[proven ocean]

?

u know that kingsbane does like

7-9%

of ur dps

in st

xd

sometimes

10%

or 12%

xd

[desert tendon]

1 cast of kb does like 12m

1 cast of envenom does like 12m also

that s my issue with this stupid spell

[proven ocean]

what envenom is gonna cast 12m what are u smoking

its not secret technique

lmao

[desert tendon]

????

opening logs

[proven ocean]

what logs

are u stupid

look

its just 7.9m

with shiv and darkest night

and its only darkest night

and thats a buff by default

u cant change that

ur cooked if u think removing 10% dps on pure st is worth it

and btw

on that fight

i was 5 sec away from getting another kingsbane

[gaunt phoenix]

is removing kingsbane like removing ghostly strike

[proven ocean]

u could say so yes

ghostly is 15% st

[runic bough]

Sounds like it

[desert tendon]

This build yea

[proven ocean]

kingsbane is like

9% pure st

9-10%

[desert tendon]

on last boss of floodgate since it s full st

[proven ocean]

pure st

[desert tendon]

let s check

[proven ocean]

and it spatters too

[proven ocean]

censi ur cooked

ok

[desert tendon]

6.9m per kb cast or i smoke?

[proven ocean]

where is ur point here

bro

its 10%

of ur dps

[desert tendon]

all i m saying is i feel like

[proven ocean]

do u think 10% is low

or what

[desert tendon]

kb sucks ass in st

[proven ocean]

????????????

what is ks now

[desert tendon]

i think zoldyck / blindslide is way more than 10%

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[desert tendon]

but

how to get them is the whole story

i think the cook is good

[proven ocean]

blindside is trash

[desert tendon]

but not complete

[proven ocean]

i did play it

this is with blindside btw

did dk dps

in darkflame

[desert tendon]

delete the padd in dfc when u show details please

[proven ocean]

dashing is way better tho

[desert tendon]

i dont care about laborer

[proven ocean]

i legit didnt pad what are u smoking

without pad i win overall

lmao

[desert tendon]

u did pad, he did pad

everyone padd

[proven ocean]

im playing without bonespike

[desert tendon]

cuz it s the dungeon

[proven ocean]

what pad am i gonna do

skittering 2nd highest

pad

and

menial

1b

pure pad

look at me

highest dps? corridor creeper

very valueable dmg

on par with laborer "pad"

[desert tendon]

yea cool

[proven ocean]

not to mention

[desert tendon]

that s all i wanted to know

[proven ocean]

i have way higher funnel

than everyone

[desert tendon]

not higher than arcane

[proven ocean]

btw

[desert tendon]

but still i m messing arround , great funnel

[proven ocean]

sin is stronger than arcane in cinderbrew

by a mile

its not even close

legit broken

[desert tendon]

hmmm

is it

you have arcane surge every pack

[proven ocean]

im 100% convinced sin is the strongest spec in the game in cinderbrew

and only cinderbrew

[desert tendon]

and every 3 spawns on 3rd boss

[proven ocean]

im legit

top overall dps

in cinderbrew

and

i top all boss dmg

except last boss only

[desert tendon]

yea so much funnel in this dungeon

[proven ocean]

last boss i do good st cuz we get lust there

[desert tendon]

too good

[proven ocean]

my aoe is higher than udk

or about the same

[desert tendon]

which is crazy to me

[proven ocean]

btw

i played with canexx

best boomkin in the game

i gapped him hard

in cinderbrew

legit huge gap

i swear sin is just mega op

in that key

[desert tendon]

dk eating PIs like madman

lmao

[proven ocean]

im convinced

i can beat all of those

like

i can only lose if udk gets good rng

like

good good rng

[desert tendon]

MA must be strong in brew

[proven ocean]

it is yes

very strong

eh

no one logged today's key

the cinder we did

i just never log keys fml

[desert tendon]

pretty crazy for brew

dashing is good only and only on pure single target right?

[proven ocean]

ye

u wont play dashing

only

in

these keys

well maybe not workshop or maybe u do not sure

havent tried

[desert tendon]

then i personnaly dont like it, but also u not gonna play only 1 of the 2 garr talents

[proven ocean]

but

[desert tendon]

[proven ocean]

dashing is rly op in darkflame

because u dont rly want to garrote in darkflame lol

alot of wasted garrotes

so many smallies

and irrelevant mobs being garroted

[desert tendon]

dude is like

[proven ocean]

and pure st is mega value

in darkflame

[desert tendon]

i m not playing ironwire bait, so i m not playing any garr talents

gigachad

[proven ocean]

well we're kinda going for valueable dmg in higher keys

u dont want to play pad talents

because they do nothing to speed up the keys

idk how i feel about double shiv yet i havent tried it

im sure it'll be crazy good on pure st

[desert tendon]

hmmm

i mean

it must be good

combo with supercharger right

[proven ocean]

ye

btw

ngl it feels good to just not garrote

because garrote is prob only decent in builds that are subterfuge

and idk garrote is just useless in darkflame man

so bad in that key

[desert tendon]

and what about shrouded instead of sbs actually? It s 20% more garr damage in st it must be better than sbs right?

[proven ocean]

legit no where

u can get value from it

legit

no where

[desert tendon]

idk if i like or hate assa talents man

[proven ocean]

idk about that because

garrote 20% is w.e

u want some aoe too

sbs does good

[desert tendon]

so many points to take but idk if it s because the tree is trash or if because all talents are good

[proven ocean]

sbs is very good in darkflame censi u need to realize

that

[desert tendon]

i want all the points

[proven ocean]

u

rupture snipe

24/7

in that key

[desert tendon]

yea true helps with the rupture