outlaw

[vivid vessel]

why you not stopping dps

[civic zephyr]

i do slightly less dps without cds than an outlaw rogue i think

a fire mage without combust

so if u want me to grief us even further so u can look good in a rogue discord with screenshots

i got u next time bud

[vivid vessel]

why are you mad about a random key im litteraly just complaining about my spec in my spec channel

I do taht litteraly all the time

[civic zephyr]

🙂

[vivid vessel]

i dont know you

[civic zephyr]

youre the one that sounds mad buddy after inting, im just saying what happened

[vivid vessel]

ok

[frail veldt]

you played outlaw before?

stop dps lul

[civic zephyr]

no never

too hard for my peanut brain

[rotund pulsar]

skill issue

[vestal notch]

Rerrolled 15 times this tier and 0 to outlaw?

[hollow temple]

stop being weird

[vivid vessel]

you are doing the same damage as me

[frail veldt]

zac didnt you know youre never allowed to complain?

[vivid vessel]

out of shield

why arent you stoping dps

[frail veldt]

its illegal to complain

[civic zephyr]

because otherwise i do 0

[vivid vessel]

oh ok

[civic zephyr]

that is one combust per phase

[vivid vessel]

heard of outlaw

hold combust for shield

then

why tf are you yapping

i dont know you

bro

[civic zephyr]

u realize i do like 1/10 of ur damage

[vivid vessel]

why are you here

[civic zephyr]

withotu combust

[frail veldt]

nah zac just hold adr for shield

obv

huge boorst

[vivid vessel]

why are you combusting out of shield

just hold dps

and combust on pahse

you are asking outlaw to stop dps bro thats crazy

why do i have to track your cds and stop dps as outalw

i stop dps i might aswell spec tank

[civic zephyr]

u dont , u just have to see u are blasting too hard o nshield

[vivid vessel]

mb bro

[civic zephyr]

and ur team is getting griefed cuz of it

[vivid vessel]

will unequip my gear next time

[frail veldt]

oh lowkey

[runic bough]

Can we cloak the hammers on 2nd boss priory

[frail veldt]

can you take off your offhand mid combat?

[vivid vessel]

ye you can

[frail veldt]

that might be the play

over stopping rotation

[vivid vessel]

weapons are the only things you can remove

[frail veldt]

lower dps

[civic zephyr]

what buff is it that u need to keep up

that u needto perma dps

[slate plaza]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[vivid vessel]

idk if you are asking

or trolling

[frail veldt]

adr bruv

[civic zephyr]

i am asking

[frail veldt]

outlaw cant just stop dps for 10 seconds

[vivid vessel]

well adr and like every other buffs

[frail veldt]

cuz it might end up stopping dps for 40 sedconds

if you drop buffs

it depends where in your rotation you are

its just like breath of sindragosa

[vivid vessel]

adr and rtb buffs ye

[frail veldt]

if you stop adr you might drop it for like 45 seconds or more

depending on where you are in your cycle

[mighty pivot]

get rez sickness to reduce dmg on shield

[frail veldt]

adr is only a 15 duration buff with a 3 min cd

but if youre doing your rotation it has 97% uptime

but if you are forced to stop rotation

you could literally lose adr for 1+ min

[vivid vessel]

its 20s bro

first time or

[frail veldt]

20 whatever

[civic zephyr]

so whats the dps loss for having 80% uptime vs 97%

[frail veldt]

you cant choose 80%

[civic zephyr]

true

[warm remnant]

yo, whats dungeons are preferable for not playing precise cuts/ghostly strike and picking cto instead?

[civic zephyr]

either way very cringe comp, 2 cdr specs

[frail veldt]

saying "stop dps now" could result in no adr for a whole minute

and lose like 20-30% dps for the duration of the fight

[civic zephyr]

i dont think any spec to not use cds is as bad as fire mage

[frail veldt]

outlaw is worse

[civic zephyr]

i do 300k dps

[split ingot]

XD

[vivid vessel]

ye you never seen outlaw out of adr

[civic zephyr]

ok lets go dummy rn

no cds rotation

[frail veldt]

hahahhaahhaha

[civic zephyr]

who does more

[frail veldt]

oh boy

[vivid vessel]

so like

[frail veldt]

do it zac

[vivid vessel]

i dont press adr?

[frail veldt]

yes

no cds

[civic zephyr]

yea

[frail veldt]

no adr no vanish

[civic zephyr]

and i dont press combust

[frail veldt]

show him

[vivid vessel]

I mean bro thats an easy win no cap

[frail veldt]

LOL yeah just show him

[vivid vessel]

one sec

i login

[civic zephyr]

ninefive-tarrenmill

[runic bough]

We swing wet noodles without adr

And no subt

I mean

[frail veldt]

I mean adr over doubles our energy regen right?

[runic bough]

Even during cooldowns we are kinda swinging wet noodles still

[frail veldt]

and lowers our gcd by 25%

[hollow temple]

Outlaw will do more

Placing my bet

[frail veldt]

kir I dont think so

ho maybe

[hollow temple]

As long as zac doesn’t sand bag

[vivid vessel]

im 1 fth bro i cant even do one finisher in 10s

[frail veldt]

its gona be hilarious

1fth with just SS

literally dispatching for 400k

every 10 seconds

[vestal notch]

stream the fight zac

[glass mortar]

both mage specs seem like their filler damage is alright, at least according to simcraft website

its not like fire is a mega burst spec rn

its a burst spec but its not like.... sub rogue or something

[civic zephyr]

craziness

[vivid vessel]

bro

i rolled 5 buffs

twice

why you leave so early

[frail veldt]

LOL nice

[civic zephyr]

my damage is going to stay the same

[frail veldt]

why do I do more damage on my fire mage outside of combustion

[frail veldt]

are you just sitting on fire blast procs?

[civic zephyr]

yes i am griefing intentionally

[frail veldt]

genuinely asking

[civic zephyr]

why would i do that

what would i gain from that

[frail veldt]

idk

[vivid vessel]

bro i just rolled 5 buff twice in a row tho

swear that doesnt happen

no cap

[nova sinew]

surely sub?

[warm remnant]

that happens when u do transmog runs

no kizzy

[civic zephyr]

yes lets do full testing run

[frail veldt]

sub can sit on cds and not really care

pretty easily

[vivid vessel]

we go an entire dungeon without pressing cds?

[frail veldt]

it loses damage pretty linearly with holding

which isnt bad

[vivid vessel]

i have cinderbrew 18 in bag

[civic zephyr]

sure lets go

[vivid vessel]

thoughts?

ok i dont have all that time

like 3 min dummy will suffice

[glass mortar]

theres a high end fire mage profile from sprocket

looks like its bottoming out at about 1m dps

thats sub

[frail veldt]

Yeah does delaying combustion cause you to delay your following combustion even more?

[glass mortar]

im pretty sure sub not pressing any cds would do substantially less

then anyone

[frail veldt]

thast not the question though

its delaying cds

how much does that hurt you

[glass mortar]

o

well for outlaw its

like completely random this season

ur rolls can bail u out

outlaw variance in playstyle very silly this season

its hard to put a number on it

it could omegafuk u

or it could minorly fuk u if u just get good rng

theres really no way to know for sure

every single RtB press has a 17% chance of being a 5 buff and just bailing u out of ur hole

which sounds nice but it doesnt feel nice

[vivid vessel]

ok i admit he does less dam

skill issue tho

[quaint wharf]

thats kinda crazy actually

i wouldnt have put my money on outlaw winning

[civic zephyr]

yes it is truly crazy

[glass mortar]

well why wouldnt outlaw win... its a sustain damage spec

[quaint wharf]

no adr no vanish

[civic zephyr]

@kind wing

[vivid vessel]

ok what does that change tho

[glass mortar]

even in ur filler with no cds ur going to be medium

or u would never do damage

[vivid vessel]

why did we even do that test

i dont remember

[civic zephyr]

to prove a point that if i stop dps

it would be over

if u would sotp dps it wouldnt be as over

[vivid vessel]

ye but if i stop dps i do no damage on shield

[civic zephyr]

but it might be still over

[vivid vessel]

cause i cant farm back my things

[glass mortar]

well it entirely depends on when u stop dps

[civic zephyr]

so

[vivid vessel]

and i lose buffs

if you stop dps do you lose future damage

thats the question really

[civic zephyr]

yes ofc lol

[vivid vessel]

like if i stop dps before pahse right

i will do this dps you see here

during the phase

[edgy walrus]

outlaw needs to farm cdr to maintain sustained dmg, fire is farming cdr to do big burst

[glass mortar]

fire is a cdr churn spec, its also a cd spec

how punishing a dps stop is depends entirely on how many combust u lost on a fight for it

[edgy walrus]

fire will do low dmg when holding cds but atleast ur not completely griefing urself

[glass mortar]

like any cd spec

itll just cost u more combusts then the average cd spec loses cds

[vivid vessel]

what i dont understand is why you cant just hold your cd for the phase and do 0 out if you want us to stop dps so bad

[edgy walrus]

dropping adr is actually terrorism

[vivid vessel]

or

[civic zephyr]

because then the key is over regardless, i still need to damage

[vivid vessel]

also i was just complaining about outlaw doing 0 overall

cant even complain in peace nowadays

police will catch ya

eta gg

[civic zephyr]

education

[vivid vessel]

I mean

i dont think im educated

i learned that fire outside cd does 0 i guess

i still aint gonna stop dps as outlaw otherwise i do 1m dps during damage phase

and surely thats the same shit anywya

what if my fire mage jsut use combustion in phases and i kill shields

thoughts

[civic zephyr]

all g boss

[vivid vessel]

I mean i dont understand how fire works so

[glass mortar]

oh ok

i read up

my take would be the fire mage loses more dps then u for holding if it cost them a full combust on the fight

its sorta hard to calculate that sorta shit mid combat tho

i think thats the obvious take tho

fire is a cd spec

[civic zephyr]

aintnoway

[glass mortar]

if u cost a cd spec a full usage of cd

thats way more damage then outlaw

is gunna lose

[vivid vessel]

ok but the diff is that if i stop dps before phase

i do 0 damage during phase

[civic zephyr]

craziness the first outlaw with a brain

big respect to u

[vivid vessel]

I mean you dont have to be an ass either way

[glass mortar]

i mean zac doesnt know how mage works i wouldnt blame him too hard

[vivid vessel]

i dont know you

[glass mortar]

fire is one of the other high cdr specs

[civic zephyr]

sorry

that was rude

[glass mortar]

there isnt very many of them in the game

[vivid vessel]

like bro i cant even complain about my spec in my spec channel in peace nowadays

[quaint wharf]

LMAO

[glass mortar]

for 90% of cd specs holding isnt gunna cost a full usage of a major cd becauise they arent gettinga majority of their cd usage from cdr

[civic zephyr]

watch out next time i will make sure to join ur grp again!

[glass mortar]

i think like fire, outlaw rogue, is there anyone else

fury maybe?

[vivid vessel]

bro my pugs track my ass to fact check me in real time

fr fr

[civic zephyr]

mage supremacists are everywhere

[glass mortar]

bro this guy found ur ass and sniped u like 30s after that key ended

get got frenchy

[vivid vessel]

wouldnt be surprised if i get a letter irl tomorrow

[civic zephyr]

always on the watch

[quaint wharf]

wait is that how this whole thing started

u guys did a key together

[vivid vessel]

he did tho

[quaint wharf]

?

[vivid vessel]

thats crazy

[civic void]

aint no way you think he will even remember the convo after sleeping

[glass mortar]

next time u complain about holding ur dps and try to talk about fotm mages they r gunna be under ur bed

😠

unlucky it was a fire mage

[vivid vessel]

i think he meant he will never ever join a key with me in ever again

respectable tho

[glass mortar]

u woulda been right for like 99% of other specs in this game

just not fire

[civic zephyr]

i am not a true mage main

i have been corrupted

this is what i have become

[glass mortar]

btw so what is the ocntext for holding dps that even caused this

i didnt ready up that far

what boss was it

[vivid vessel]

so i was right ?

[random stirrup]

sounds like rookery last boss me guess

[glass mortar]

ahhhh

[vivid vessel]

random jimmy fotm reroller

right

[glass mortar]

ok theres a fucking damage amp

[civic zephyr]

fuck

true

[vestal notch]

It happens to everyone that touches outlaw cjannel even once

[glass mortar]

zac ur hardtrolling

how could u imagine not giving a mage combust for that phase

isnt a bigger L

then u holding dps

[vivid vessel]

bro wdym

how tf do i hold dps

[civic zephyr]

the point is

[vivid vessel]

as outlaw

[civic zephyr]

if u play outlaw and fire mage on last boss rookery

[vivid vessel]

and still do damage during phase weran

[glass mortar]

afk and spam PS/SnD

get ar off cd

and wait

[vivid vessel]

??

[glass mortar]

idk

[vivid vessel]

I mean i will be doing tank damage during phase

[civic zephyr]

its bettere for outlaw to hold a bit if shield gets low, and track mage's combust

otherwise u lose as a team anyway

[vivid vessel]

idk i havent done this key in like 5 weeks

[glass mortar]

i mean in a pug thats asking for alot im ngl

[vivid vessel]

how could i know it was a hard key even

[civic zephyr]

yep it is

[glass mortar]

is any other pugger dps tracking other dps cds

and afking on low shield

[civic zephyr]

but it still has to happen if u wanan win

[quaint wharf]

asking an outlaw to hold is wild

[glass mortar]

sure

[vivid vessel]

ok

[civic zephyr]

i did offer to play arcane

[vivid vessel]

next time i do this key

[glass mortar]

well i mean ud be asking everyone to hold

not just outlaw

[vivid vessel]

ok listen

next time i do it

[glass mortar]

except the fire

[civic zephyr]

big respect

[glass mortar]

but also yea arcane would not have this issue

[vivid vessel]

i will be doing something else

but

[glass mortar]

arcane could afk with u if u were waiting for cds

or afk and let u cdr

[vivid vessel]

no one report my character in game for bug abusing

tyty

[civic zephyr]

well it could potentailly be worse for arcane tbh

if we push faster than 1.10

🙂

[quaint wharf]

just swap sub

ez

[vivid vessel]

ye real

[slate forge]

This channel is for complaining about target cap get this fire mage talk out

[vivid vessel]

then how can i call myself an outlaw

[glass mortar]

well no the idea is ur holding dps to wait for peoples cds but u have cdr specs so ur deciding who to let churn

[civic zephyr]

some guy said to play frost

[glass mortar]

arcane doesnt need to hit the boss to get cds up

u just gotta wait

[civic zephyr]

i should have listened to him..

[glass mortar]

fire is a combo of high cdr churn and high impact cd

[vivid vessel]

ye outlaw is the same

[random stirrup]

just hold dps sooner and tell the third bozo to get fked

[glass mortar]

outlaw is higher cdr churn but lower impact cd

[vivid vessel]

eh

adr is like

omega impact

[glass mortar]

adr is strong

but its not

[vivid vessel]

its just up 100% of the time

[glass mortar]

zac mages do like 7X their dps

in combust

adr is never worth that much

its never gunna be

[vivid vessel]

ok sure

still

[civic zephyr]

the real solution is to never play outlaw and fire in the same comp

[vivid vessel]

the sentence

im keeping it for outlaw

[warm remnant]

yo, whats dungeons are preferable for not playing precise cuts/ghostly strike and picking cto instead?

[quaint wharf]

real

[glass mortar]

i mean it just sounds like u got unlucky

[vivid vessel]

I knew that before entering the key tho

I have banned mages from my keys

[glass mortar]

the real gigabrain answer is ur third dps should afk'd for 30s and let u both churn cdr

[vivid vessel]

doesnt work with outlaw

[civic zephyr]

i am banning outlaw rogues from mine

[vivid vessel]

not really for that reason tho

[civic zephyr]

gg

[vivid vessel]

well

thats not really hard

[quaint wharf]

this is beautiful

[vivid vessel]

there is like

[glass mortar]

who was the third dps btw

[vivid vessel]

2 outalw rogue

[glass mortar]

or what was

[civic zephyr]

ok true

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

udk nuked

[vivid vessel]

stop pinging me

about your better spec

only ping me

if its outlaw

idc

zeross

i swear

[proven ocean]

mad cuz outlaw bad?

[vivid vessel]

im depressed enough

no

outlaw is op

i need more training

[desert tendon]

now u both stfu

[glass mortar]

im sorry im still laughing that this pug mage sniped ur ass like 30s after u started talking shit

[desert tendon]

and kiss

yes

[glass mortar]

this is legendary

can we pin

[quaint wharf]

bro

[vivid vessel]

[quaint wharf]

the pug snipe is actually golden

[vivid vessel]

nah you right its funnyt

[quaint wharf]

i wont lie

[glass mortar]

u gotta respect it

[vivid vessel]

also im not depressed from this key anymore so

@civic zephyr than kyou

[civic zephyr]

hahaha

[vivid vessel]

how you hit the filter

[civic zephyr]

i had a good time

[vivid vessel]

on an emote

[vestal notch]

Best sniper ever

[vivid vessel]

bro actually getting skill issued by a filted

[glass mortar]

zac what was the third dps

[vivid vessel]

boomie

[glass mortar]

i think my easy conclusion is that guy shoulda afk'd for 1 minute

[vivid vessel]

well me

i was the bottom dps

[glass mortar]

and let u both churn cdr for the burn

[hollow temple]

2 in a row

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

what was the emote trickz

[civic zephyr]

ok listen

the real solution

tell the boomie to afk...

[hollow temple]

idk i can't see the image just the text

[glass mortar]

yes!

[civic zephyr]

and only use incarn in nuke phase...

[glass mortar]

the chickens can suffer

[vivid vessel]

I mean ?

[glass mortar]

they dont cdr shit

what r they doing between cds

padding on shield

thats ur job

[vivid vessel]

let me check boomie discord real quiuck

[glass mortar]

oh fuck we are moving the fight to new terrain

now we just need that boomie to be in chat rn

[quaint wharf]

wrath

[vivid vessel]

nvm couldnt find him over there

[glass mortar]

unironically fire mage and outlaw not a good combo for that fight tho

i dont think any other specs clash as much

[civic zephyr]

you think so

[glass mortar]

they have strong cdr but not strong enough to ensure a good combust on every phase regardless of push timing

and if u dont combust a phase

ur gunna do fuckall damage

but making outlaw stop its damage

is also gunna cost the group a ton of dps

[dense bolt]

Guys i need a summary

[glass mortar]

its just fucked either way

[vivid vessel]

I mean outlaw is trash for that fight

[dense bolt]

What is goign on

[vivid vessel]

but

[civic zephyr]

all of u disgusting outlawers need to swap to sub and assa

[vivid vessel]

outlaw has been trash for fight likes these

forever now

[civic zephyr]

so this never happens again

[glass mortar]

we play the 4 fun spec

[civic zephyr]

msg @kind wing for coaching

[glass mortar]

leave us alone

[quaint wharf]

i liked u ninefive

[vivid vessel]

ok but i did that in s1 and almost quit the game

[glass mortar]

we suffer enough

[warm remnant]

yo, whats dungeons are preferable for not playing precise cuts/ghostly strike and picking cto instead?

[glass mortar]

[quaint wharf]

until then.

[vivid vessel]

what if i just wanna have fun now

[glass mortar]

imagine if u had to play frost every season ever to be a good spec

and fire was as it is (the most fun spec easily)

thats outlaw every season since bfa

sure sub can be fun, but its just never even close to outlaw for me

[quaint wharf]

yeah i think thats where i am too

for enjoyment levels atleast

[vivid vessel]

i depleted a key, came in here to complain how outlaw was dogshit and i lost to random fotm jimmy reroller mage, and random fotm jimmy reroller mage sniped me irl now im dead

turns out i was wrong and i had to stop dps

but i will never do that

[glass mortar]

zac got combusted on by the mage in his key

guy double shimmered over and caught his ass talking shit in like 1m

[vivid vessel]

fr

[glass mortar]

it was a good time

[vivid vessel]

you know

i almost stopped the game back in sl

[glass mortar]

that fight does seem like its gunna be a mega limiting factor for law in super high keys

at the end of the season

[vivid vessel]

when i rerolled to sub in keys

[glass mortar]

if u never roll a 5 buff on a amp phase

[vivid vessel]

and in s1 tww when i rerolled assa in keys

maybe

[glass mortar]

u r doing like tank boss dps

[vivid vessel]

i shouldnt ever try again

[vivid vessel]

that fight

you mean

[runic bough]

Zac

[glass mortar]

its the worst one tho

theres not many damage amp fights this season

are there any but that one?

[vivid vessel]

yo ryuk my king

[runic bough]

Are you guys going to make ks tip guide

With solo

[vivid vessel]

ye i forgot about it

let me think if i wanna do it rn

no i dont

[runic bough]

[vivid vessel]

tommorrow is a new day

new me

new man

ks still there

wont go away

[honest sparrow]

ML first boss is one aswell

[runic bough]

Ks still terrorizing all of us

[vivid vessel]

ye but you dont wipe

[glass mortar]

ML first boss i feel happens often enough that outlaw isnt even that bad

like no cd spec is cding a majority of the amps

[vivid vessel]

its not like mist first boss, or whatever

you know these type of bosses

[glass mortar]

they r timer based not hp pushes like the absorb

[honest sparrow]

Yea which scale completly out of hand because half the time you dmg a shield add etc

[glass mortar]

the damage amps in ml are very forgivable

its that boss and the second boss which we also just eat

because PC demolishes it

and if someone is cding into an add thats not helping boss damage

but outlaw just does big dam on all the adds

[vivid vessel]

oh ye floodgate

also damage amp

but tbh outlaw isnt that bad on it cause cleaving adds

[glass mortar]

oh first boss? is that phase an amp

[vivid vessel]

idk

[glass mortar]

i didnt even notice

but yea u also get to eat with PC and the adds

[honest sparrow]

But that boss is kinda fine no? Not played that high enough

[glass mortar]

and the adds do need to die

so people canty just cd every damage amp on boss

honestly theres quite a few bosses this seasons PC crushes

which makes it feel so shitty that u lose so much ST on every other boss taking it

[dawn talon]

dude i feel like

rookery last boss takes 1000 years longer

playing outlaw

[vivid vessel]

i mean you say that but i showed you how i was losing against that dk

on priory first boss

which is best case scenario for pc

[glass mortar]

ok but u super super lowerolled

[vivid vessel]

and its disapointing

that even that

no

i always lost

[glass mortar]

like i almost never do under 4m on that boss

???

[vivid vessel]

we did the fight like 5 times

[glass mortar]

its shorter for me i guess but like

[vivid vessel]

i either do same damage

or i lose

[glass mortar]

it feels pretty stable idk

longer fights r good for law honestly

u get normalized very hard

the dps variance of law increases quite dramatically as fight length shortens this season

the fuking tier set

if u have a 2m boss and get 5 1 buffs ur just piss with PC

[vivid vessel]

i mean i play kir tho

[glass mortar]

bozo lost 1 time

[vivid vessel]

i feel like on these scenario

its jsut infinite rng

[vivid vessel]

i didnt really win once tho ?

[glass mortar]

how did u not win

[vivid vessel]

like i guess this is the best one

and i have monk buff

[vivid vessel]

bro its 2 targets

how am i not

[glass mortar]

ur monk was trolling

[vivid vessel]

triple its damage

idc about monk

[glass mortar]

i do 3.5m+ on that boss as ww like everytime

[vivid vessel]

im talking about dk

[glass mortar]

and monk variance is not super high

ok but dk is a strong spec??? why r u confused

[vivid vessel]

how am i not doing 3x dk damage

on these scenarios

[glass mortar]

ur consitently beating the meta spec

[vivid vessel]

because its 2 targets man

and its pc

thats like

[honest sparrow]

Its probably not good that the best or second best aoe spec is keeping up with law and ww on a 2 target cleave boss

[glass mortar]

i dont think dk is bad at 2t?

[vivid vessel]

the infinite niche bro

[glass mortar]

dk target scaling is kinda nutty rn isnt it

its just meh at st

[vivid vessel]

idk

[vivid vessel]

meh at st = outlaw st

[glass mortar]

their strongest scaling is 13-18 targets which is why its so nutty

sure but we are meh at st with pc

we were strong st, probably top 5 or 6 specs with coup bug

no pc

now we are unbugged

and running pc

st is

[vestal notch]

Im pretty sure sanlayn is extremely good at 2t

[vivid vessel]

i tought we were meh in st so we could blast low target with pc

why is this not even true

[vestal notch]

they were playing it on silken court last season bc of it

[vivid vessel]

like rn im losing against meta specs on every target count thats kinda crazy no

even sin win some

[glass mortar]

yea i mean

we needed compensation for the coup bugfix

thought they just overlooked it but

looks like it was just intended to be like a 10% nerf

10% nerf to a ok spec. not really strong in any particular thing but not bad in raid

but u dont generally nerf a spec in that position by that much

xd

they dont even nerf the outlier top specs mid season by that much

they do small steps

[honest sparrow]

You mean the 5% dmg nerf to bloodbeast or w/e that was?

[glass mortar]

yea

[runic bough]

Outlaw loses even with bugs so guys when they fix the bugs, we suck really really bad.

[frail veldt]

I mean were decent at low target

we at least keep up

like 2/3 target outlaw does fine

[glass mortar]

if ur keeping up with cd specs on small target counts its kinda over for u tho cause anytime u reach 8 or more targets they r giga gapping u

thats just sorta assumed

[frail veldt]

yeah ofc

[glass mortar]

u should be consitently gapping cd specs on like 2-4 targets and if ur not ur just really undertuned

ur not doing enough damage to make up for ur downsides

[frail veldt]

also is outlaw meh at st? It feels also decent in that

[glass mortar]

🤷

we would have been top 6 st specs with coup bug

strong, not op

but very strong

with coup bug fix we would be a little above average

but we are also playing pc

[vivid vessel]

idk anytiome there is downtime in a fight i legit lose 500k st

[glass mortar]

thats just minimum of like a 10% st loss

[vivid vessel]

like i was taking the example in priory

[glass mortar]

that is a very significant shift

🤷

[vivid vessel]

where usually i do 2 mil

but there the kye is too high

[glass mortar]

everyone is giving up some ST for aoe obviously but 10%?

[vivid vessel]

so we start getting to territories where the boss start casting while in the shields

and then i end up doing 1.6

[frail veldt]

I think we give up less than a lot of specs

[vivid vessel]

and i feel like this is a lot of bosses

[vivid vessel]

in the past

[glass mortar]

i dont think thats true for meta specs

[vivid vessel]

idk about now

i mean sub lose 0

rn

[glass mortar]

thats 10% above what we normally would drop fyi

[vivid vessel]

just saying

[glass mortar]

ur aoe build is obviously already doing like 4-5% less st

[frail veldt]

oh on first boss?

[glass mortar]

then pc on top of it

[vivid vessel]

priory second

[frail veldt]

oh

I didnt even know there was a timing issue there

havent run into it ig

[glass mortar]

just remember even on super high keys, boss fights r generally faster then raid bosses. any boss u r lusting for cd specs r getting a significant advantage

[vivid vessel]

ye like

when boss last longer

it start syncing the cast of the soak thing

with the hammers

[frail veldt]

aaaah

[vivid vessel]

so he does hammer > soak thing

almost everytime

[frail veldt]

thats dumb

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

and its just stupid idk

[untold yarrow]

i mean

[vivid vessel]

you stand akf perma

[untold yarrow]

its so bad

[vivid vessel]

and last boss im not even doing that well either right

[runic bough]

Its a ranged boss

[vivid vessel]

like i feel like every boss in m+

there is some issues

first boss rookery

similar story

nwo the issue is you cant ks on cd

[glass mortar]

yea i mean ur forced to 1 cp ks or not ks on cd

u get 1 an intermission at the end or with cloak and at intermission

[vivid vessel]

second boss rook we all know what the issue is i dont even need to tel lyou

[glass mortar]

then ur delaying for between aoe swirls

which is every other mechanic he does

xd

that boss was so abd earlier in the season

melee would be unviable in high keys imo

if they hadnt improved spellqueuing

and its still so bad for melee

[vivid vessel]

let me find dfc

[glass mortar]

that boss used to afk in his puddles for like 10s

[vivid vessel]

cause dfc is also a funny one

[glass mortar]

if u got a bad queue up

[runic bough]

Yo guys that reminds me

[glass mortar]

and melee had to just afk

[vivid vessel]

third boss is so swingy

depending on your tank

[runic bough]

Spellque is different in tww for sure

[glass mortar]

then u get to last boss

[runic bough]

I also noticed

[glass mortar]

and someone drops poop on ur ks spot

and ur just eating more damage then the tank for the rest of the fight

because of ur funny silly rotational ability

and it probably wont kill u

[frail veldt]

I dont knwo this one either lol

[glass mortar]

but ur healer is gunna need to pump u

[frail veldt]

youre just saying the fight in general?

with how much bad there is and not being able to KS freely?

[fallen knot]

i am the god of pugs

[vivid vessel]

so third boss right dfc, here tank played well around ks and he carried my ass

[glass mortar]

every mechanic of that fight forces u to not ks and if ur ks cdr doesnt naturally align with it

[vivid vessel]

and this one i was prolly perma stunned

[glass mortar]

u can just get fucked

and its out of ur hands

[frail veldt]

that fight is so tank dependant

fr fr

[glass mortar]

its literally just rng

[fallen knot]

i made a group that 2shot bandit, wipe was because of me wrong wa

[frail veldt]

if he holds them near statues its fucked

[vivid vessel]

yes and there is too many things to dodge and run out of

[fallen knot]

oneshot mugzee and oneshot gally

ona friday night

[vivid vessel]

so like idk

on paper outlaw st is good

right

[glass mortar]

i mean idk zac would last season not have felt like this if we had to play fucking trickster

[frail veldt]

yeye

[glass mortar]

is this not just a kspree issue

idk if id say its the seasons fault

xd

[frail veldt]

if we didn thave KS all of these issues go away

[vivid vessel]

but half the fights in m+

[glass mortar]

fuck this ABILITY

[vivid vessel]

are like

weird

[frail veldt]

acutally though

ks is the reason

[vivid vessel]

ye ks is mostly the reason

but also downtime

[glass mortar]

every dungeon forever is gunna feel like this

as long as trickster is good

[vivid vessel]

we are even more dependent on uptime with trickster

idk if you guys noticed

or not

[glass mortar]

yea thats true

coup was doing so much heavy lifting

its kinda crazy

[vivid vessel]

or well 1 fth i guess

[glass mortar]

i felt like adr never fell off before the bugfix

[vivid vessel]

is the reason

[glass mortar]

now somtimes it just falls off with no mistakes

then u add downtime into the equation

u can get so doomed

[vivid vessel]

ye i guess its 1 fth

tho

not really trickster itself

[glass mortar]

nah it happens to HO to

it is

[vivid vessel]

i mean sure well

[glass mortar]

tricksters sim uptime is lower on average then fatebounds now innit?

kspree

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

is expensive

[vivid vessel]

ye ye

[glass mortar]

its a cdr reducer

[vivid vessel]

i mean i told mew o i think ks isnt cdr efficient

[glass mortar]

coup bug was just so strong

[vivid vessel]

trickster i mean

[glass mortar]

we never noticed

[vivid vessel]

in term of coup + ks vs nothing

[runic bough]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-parrot-papagallo-amitico-party-gif-18582887

[vivid vessel]

you would rather have nothing

for cdr efficiency

[glass mortar]

xd

i think it was net positive with coup bug

u certainly had 100% uptime with it

and it made up for alot of the downtime shit

[vivid vessel]

he disagred with me but i think im right

[glass mortar]

coup bug gave soooooooooo much cdr man

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

when u hit a TB and had a 7cp supercharged coup up

u could practically RtB > coup > RtB

xd

[frail veldt]

I think its close to neutral, low cp ks has to be cdr efficient though imo

[glass mortar]

plus doubling ur fazed stacks right before the immediate vanish after

[frail veldt]

KiR KS is def longer than HO

[glass mortar]

well yea

[frail veldt]

As HO KS is pretty fast

[glass mortar]

HO has ~10% more haste then kir now

if ur playing with almost KiR levels of haste on ur HO set

[frail veldt]

im at like 36% most of the time as HO

[glass mortar]

mhm

idk if i have enough to kspree in last phase of OaB

it sounds so sketchy

xd

gunna find out tho

[vivid vessel]

i did it as kir

and i dont think i got the dot once

[glass mortar]

i dont think its a dot?

i thought the laser just

[vivid vessel]

no i mean

[glass mortar]

insta kills u

[vivid vessel]

ks dot

[glass mortar]

mm

maybe its safer then im thinking

it sounds like if it ever double tped u into the same beem it could just kill u xd

the beams do like 400m damage or some silly number

[vivid vessel]

i mean you have cloak just for that tho

and cheat death

[frail veldt]

yeah theres a LOT of things whre ks moves fast enough that you dont get hit

[glass mortar]

sure but

the phase is not short

[frail veldt]

its surprising

[glass mortar]

and thats a permanent mechanic lol

[vivid vessel]

i just hope i kill it befroe i have to cheat + cloak

ye but idk

i didnt

i htink

idk

i dont remmerb now

[glass mortar]

it should be the case that if ur kspree attack speed is faster then 0.3s it can never hit u

which is around 26% haste or something?

i havent calculated it

so for all of lust

and then u need a certain amount of haste

[frail veldt]

KS is SO fast during lust lolol

its kind of amazing

[glass mortar]

it feels like my camera is insider a dyer man

this spell is so silly

how was this ever allowed to be the main part of trickster

who greenlit this

like theres not even a shitty non ks version of it that does 10% less dps, ur losing like 17-20% dps not playing ks which is probably more then half the trees whole value

whole friggin trees built around it

[frail veldt]

hey at least it wasnt built around feint

lololol

[glass mortar]

idk with ogcd feint it might not have even been this bad xd

no boss mechanics ever stopping me from pressing my rotational feint man

[frail veldt]

lolol

yeha it might have been better lowkey

but obv still problematic

[glass mortar]

yes

this trees been clowned on since alpha idk

it was like the first clown tree they released

surely theres planned changes

this expansion

theyve recooked like 4 or 5 hero talent trees by now

[pliant wind]

ghostly strike extra damage only affects that target right? or count as aoe dmg with BF

[glass mortar]

theyve recooked PL twice for hunters

[glass mortar]

only the target

[pliant wind]

alright

thanks

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

we need rogue

for high keys

wanna come

[vivid vessel]

in general thats any buffs/debuff on the target btw

[vivid vessel]

no

[glass mortar]

gunna go drown my sorrows in delves brb

[vivid vessel]

im the wrong spec

[proven ocean]

we want to try 2 rogues

[pliant wind]

xDDD

[proven ocean]

so

[vivid vessel]

ye not rn

maybe tomorrow when im not tilted

[glass mortar]

i probably didnt help im sorry xd

we gotta stop crashing out on outlaw every friday zac

this is like 4 weeks in a row

its bad for health

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel new sin build i just cooked btw

[sharp sand]

wut is tilted

[vivid vessel]

i do keys on friday

[glass mortar]

ah

i

do drugs on friday

[vivid vessel]

tilted towers

[proven ocean]

workshop 17, we depleted on last boss

tho

[vivid vessel]

big city in fortnite

[sharp sand]

o

[pliant wind]

can i change ghostly strike for cto? im at +14s

[vivid vessel]

ye do

[glass mortar]

ye

[vivid vessel]

uinlucky filter again

[pliant wind]

oh

xD

[vivid vessel]

you guys are giving outlaw channel a bad reputation

[pliant wind]

hahaha

[vivid vessel]

3 filter in a night

we might end up on a watch list

unlucko

[glass mortar]

zac i need to move my fucking embellishment off my weapon just so i can droptimizer accuratly to convince my loot council i still need HC mugzee fist

[vivid vessel]

bet one of the purple is reading this rn

[jolly geyser]

people hitting filter?

[vivid vessel]

yo ronkley

you noob

you reading this

[glass mortar]

wait who hit a filter

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

smh

[vivid vessel]

idk that guy

[glass mortar]

i never hit filters

[vivid vessel]

and the mage earlier

[glass mortar]

idk zac i never see people in here hit filters i think ur fake news

[patent lion]

:)

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

see

i knew it

yo whisp

[glass mortar]

WTF WHISPYR UNBLOCKED ZAC

the outlaw hate is over

[vivid vessel]

for our defence right

[glass mortar]

rogue is healing

[vivid vessel]

the 3 filters tonight

were all from external people

2 of them were a mage one trick also

not my bad man

[jolly geyser]

3 zac alts

[vivid vessel]

bro i swear it aint me

[patent lion]

yeh I mean I logged them and dunno who these people are

but 3 filters in 2 hours is crazy work

so we keep an eye on it

[glass mortar]

u missed it it was legendary

[patent lion]

no biggie

[glass mortar]

zac was crashing out of a key they depleted and shittalking the pug mage in his key (not really but a lil)

and the mage was in here and responded

within like 1m

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

i didnt shit talk the mage tho

[glass mortar]

called his ass out

ye i mean u threw a little shade calling him fotm reroll but the main point of ur rant was not that it was his fault or anything

[jolly geyser]

was the mage discord owner

[vivid vessel]

i mean i was just ranting about outlaw being bottom dps

[glass mortar]

ye

it was so funny tho

thats an all timer

mage mobility is op

[vivid vessel]

ye

fr

starting to wonder if mage mobility isnt better than outlaw mobility

cause i aint that fast

[late swallow]

Whispyr in outlaw

[glass mortar]

time for some MW delves to untilt

[jolly geyser]

my brann 80

[glass mortar]

🫡

so sad they dont let u level past this season at greatly diminished rate

my brann would be 85 by now

[jolly geyser]

aye

[glass mortar]

i have no more delve bars to fill

ive reverted to filling delve achievement bars

xd

almost done with healer +11s, then i just have tank left

[late swallow]

Animal

Weran is the certified delve goat

[glass mortar]

all these delves and still no 665 zapper

🥹

its ok theyve been good to my alts

[teal garnet]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[viral bison]

i feel like i betrayed outlaw 😦

i swapped to assa

way more dmg 😦

[sharp sand]

does anyone use target dummies? I was trying to do my rotation to see what I could pull on the dummy. HO ST I only stayed consistent at 1.55m, peaking only in the beginning at like 1.8-2m.

[daring oxide]

Betrayal of the highest order

[viral bison]

BUT i couldnt reach 0.8 apm

i was sitting at 2.2 in +10 keys

everyone hates me

[sharp sand]

Simmed character for patchwork is 2.4m DPS so. How I am 900k off is interesting. The sim has KS responsible for 12% of overall damage but my rotation has me getting like 7%.

My dispatch is also higher than the sim. So I must be finishing wrong, not using Ks properly.

[glass mortar]

i mean did u sim urself on a raid dummy

ur patchwork sim will have all raid buffs

ur dummy tests probably dont

raid buffs r pretty significant

[sharp sand]

Oh, true.

Let me see

[whole patrol]

Whenever I get home ima need someone to look at logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong and need to improve on. Though the only ones I didn't die on was normal🤣 but like i still need the improvement lol. I died on Cauldron to Spree though👀

[quaint wharf]

This sounds pretty normal, i havent used single target dummy in a while tho. Flask, food, buffs, all that stuff would juice the overall

[sharp sand]

Well I had flask and food buff from raid the night before. And maybe even whetstone and weightstone

So target dummy sim is 1.95m and my rotation got me 1.55 overall. Like I said, early in the opener I had close to 1.95. But it decreased slowly overtime to where I eventually held steady at 1.55 the rest of the time