outlaw

[glass mortar]

peak content

[red zinc]

argussy core

😳

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean im trying to do a mega sus priory rn

[late swallow]

didn't even break 7 mill overall! noob!

[frail veldt]

LOL bruh

what key level?

[late swallow]

would love to see how much of that dk's damage is just the blood is life explosion

what a dumb ability

[proven ocean]

thats not end of key noob

[frail veldt]

oh yeah thats only 13 mins of combat

roughly

[proven ocean]

2b dmg 1st pull

my guy

posted

2 pulls

and said hi look at my dps

x

d

d

[glass mortar]

i mean

rnt those the two pulls that most favor non outlaw in the key or

i guess not in priory

ur gunna do lots of big pulls in that one

[proven ocean]

idk what ur yapping about

[glass mortar]

i thot the first pulls were the biggest of the key

might just be in pugs 10s-14s tho

[desert tendon]

who tagged me here again

😠

imma find u

and bake u cookies

[cold jewel]

new pasta just dropped

very tasty

[desert tendon]

nah i m on a 2k 240hz

chilling

[cinder relic]

LMAO

This is like the "support strike" in marvel rivals

Main character syndrome

[desert tendon]

Guy was always right

m+ers are dumb

[cinder relic]

I'm always right it just takes awhile for everybody to realize

[cold jewel]

guy playing 5D chess 24/7

[desert tendon]

I wouldnt go that far but

[proven ocean]

4k is a whole different world in single player games

[desert tendon]

i know

but i ve eyes on oled 4k

[cold jewel]

oled

[desert tendon]

but i m not gonna spend 2k € on a monitor rn

also i m happi with qhd

[proven ocean]

i got a 4k qd oled 240hz

32 inch monster

[desert tendon]

see that s your problem

you have things to compensate

[novel socket]

how is he doing so much dmg

[red zinc]

more like how is the dk doing so little

uh i mean nerf outlaw

[proven ocean]

idk what problem ur talking about

[runic bough]

I like gingerbread cookies please and thanks

Okay time to look at my log review

Ryukage has some improvements to make

[vivid vessel]

no thats not end of key

i said

i was trying to do a priory

that was after second boss

just mentionning how behind i am is all

[glass mortar]

r u playing PC

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

figured

[runic bough]

Price check on aisle Outlaw please

[late swallow]

ryukage my goat

i just pulled the trigger and bought a bike frame

[runic bough]

[late swallow]

[glass mortar]

oh lord how much was it

[desert tendon]

zac u just washed up

[runic bough]

The laugh was for my quote, not your bike frame.

[late swallow]

2300 USD

[shell fossil]

pls use rear light on non blinekr mode

[late swallow]

honestly not that bad

[glass mortar]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[late swallow]

it's a frame that goes for 3500 MSRP

but I got one that was used once for 2250

[runic bough]

That is more than I paid for my entire used bike

[vivid vessel]

also

thoughts

on outlaw

losing

2 target

[late swallow]

outlaw is op!!!!! nerf please!!!!

[shell fossil]

i miss my bicycle lmao, got left out in the rain during the coof outbreak and the frames rusted to shit

[glass mortar]

was that second boss

[vivid vessel]

yes

you know

[glass mortar]

honestly not even amazing

[runic bough]

Shit Zac is gonna get us more nerfed than we already are

[vivid vessel]

outlaw "niche"

[glass mortar]

ive done 4.6m on that boss

but that was peak rng

i had 5 buff for 90% of the fight

[runic bough]

Sometimes I am waiting 5 seconds each ss with no proc its lovely

[shell fossil]

udk not using enuff mouseover macros clearly

[runic bough]

Maybe he's bad udk?

[wintry solar]

He was on his phone

[runic bough]

[shell fossil]

gapped em lol

[late swallow]

bro had a beer in one hand and a ciggie in the other

while zac is locked tf in

[runic bough]

Yep sounds right

[vestal notch]

Smoking while playing is the reason i swapped to assa btw🤣

[late swallow]

zerocool is the goat

[runic bough]

If we are not locked in we lose to tank so

Gotta stay ready

Druid bear be pumping I saw also

I was competing with the bear tank in my guild last raid

[late swallow]

in raid?????

how is this possible

[runic bough]

When I was 648

I'm 661 now will be different

[late swallow]

Ryukage my king I think there might be something more than gear going on here

Surely you shouldn't be competing with tanks in raid

[vivid vessel]

??

[glass mortar]

might be able to lose to some of the top dps tanks in aoe fights if ur super undergeared

[runic bough]

Yeah well apparently ks rotation is more in depth

[glass mortar]

but probably shouldnt ever be close to them really in raid

just gotta practice

[runic bough]

There are 20 rules on ks and coup so

Min maxing here

[vestal notch]

Do you not have a shirt equipped you noob?

[frail veldt]

Just read the FAQ haha

It's harder but not that bad

[gaunt phoenix]

the core rules are minimal

KS and Coup higher prio than Vanish, hold Vanish based on KS cd

[runic bough]

Unless adr 3 second or less right

[gaunt phoenix]

need to get this down before you overthink the minmaxes

[runic bough]

I mean adr

[shell fossil]

kir fatebound is probably comfier on heroic gally not that anyone asked but yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

you must vanish to preserve AR

it's not necessarily 3 seconds

it could be 0.1 seconds

[runic bough]

Then we ks during subt

[gaunt phoenix]

[runic bough]

Which is bad

Right

[gaunt phoenix]

no bte has priority in stealth

[runic bough]

So we lose ks and rotation is fucked

The goal is to not miss a ks out of stealth maybe

Also coup is odd havnt heard a direct answer

Low cp vs high cp for coup?

[gaunt phoenix]

yes the ks rule is about not losing casts

[gaunt phoenix]

you use coup at normal cp

you can coup at low cp if you would otherwise press ss

but this is legit nothing dont think about it until you know current outlaw

[glass mortar]

assuming u have an unseen blade readied

thats a factor right

[gaunt phoenix]

naw

[glass mortar]

o

[gaunt phoenix]

you can just do it anyway

[glass mortar]

but

does it really not move dps between those two

or can the apl not track if an unseen blade is readied anyway

[fluid meadow]

bruh how do u have sinister>ambush?

[runic bough]

Ho tricksta mah dude

Also I havnt checked my bars when I'm playing kir

Ambush shouldn't be on my stealth bar

[gaunt phoenix]

no, either because it happens 3 times or i suppose it is something about cycling into cdr faster

[late swallow]

SS over ambush

[runic bough]

I should check my stealth bar whenever I play kir

[gaunt phoenix]

ambush casts should be like >2.5x sinister strike

[glass mortar]

thats very strange to me

[gaunt phoenix]

is it?

[glass mortar]

u guys did sim only finishing at low CP coup if unseen blade is readied?

[gaunt phoenix]

i like early coup

[glass mortar]

no not that its indifferent to high cp vs low cp

that its not a gain to specifically aim to low cp coup if u have unseen readied

and cant press PS anyway

i guess we waste some unseens anyway uncontrollably and we get so many it doesnt matter trying to be that efficient with them

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not sure i follow what you think the rule is

[glass mortar]

finish at 1 cp if coup is prepared and an unseen blade is readied and you would be pressing SS/ambush

basically, dont waste unseen blades

[gaunt phoenix]

low coup if you would otherwise SS captures a lot of otherwise wasted unseen blades

[glass mortar]

thats how ive been playing it

yea it does

and also captures alot of times there isnt any

i guess it just doesnt make a difference

[glass mortar]

should capture everytime my rule would come up right

[runic bough]

What do you mean by otherwise casting ss?

This is advanced english

[gaunt phoenix]

well, you can ambush

for reasons i suppose to be "ambush good"

[glass mortar]

oh it doesnt send it low if u would ambush even if the ambush will waste a blade

hm

[gaunt phoenix]

just ss

[glass mortar]

yea its a bit strange to me i guess im just overvaluing not wasting unseen blades

[gaunt phoenix]

kind of we're already scraping the barrel cause coup is not that important after the bugfix

[glass mortar]

ye i mean its very efficient cdr and the stacks it gives r nice but thats about it

the damage is nothing to write home about

[gaunt phoenix]

you can low coup instead of ambush

just not an expected gain/loss

[glass mortar]

the way im currently playing it is if i have coup ready, unseen ready, and i would proc unseen i just coup

[late swallow]

is it a dps loss to maximize BTE casts in a subt window?

[glass mortar]

if i can build without proccing unseen i spend 1 gcd doing that then coup

i wonder how bad it is

[gaunt phoenix]

its probably not really different

just this rule is the most simple

something something occam's razor

[glass mortar]

ya my rule sounds advanced but its really just "dont waste unseen blades"

its simpler in my head ig

[untold yarrow]

guys

2s

😦

[glass mortar]

probably too much brain power for an official rule since it wont move the sim dps i imagine

[untold yarrow]

ah right this has something to do with it?

[gaunt phoenix]

imagine coup is ready but you need to build combo points

if your next builder would have to be sinister strike then you can early coup

but if you next builder is ambush/ps then you can just ambush/ps

or AR/blade flurry ofc

[untold yarrow]

how is this possible. first boss ML btw

[gaunt phoenix]

casters

[untold yarrow]

2nd boss

i play cripping for him btw

crippling

last boss 💀

bro im never inviting ele again

after what i just saw

[hybrid crown]

Ele can pump that one just wasn't so good

[runic bough]

That ele was a boosted alt

Proof right there

[untold yarrow]

bro

we still almost carried him

crazy work

[runic bough]

Riperino to your key

[untold yarrow]

i saw your key yday

you didnt invite me

dk only in title

[runic bough]

Wut

No wei

I'd never

[untold yarrow]

it was +14

something

+14 dk

xddd

[runic bough]

Not me

I'm just getting into 10's

[untold yarrow]

oh

some outlaw

with a name almsot same as your disc one

wth

[glass mortar]

it was me

i saw u in queue

i told them u were my friend and to block u and tell u to play a real spec

💅

[runic bough]

[untold yarrow]

[runic bough]

I did an 11 ML with guild tho

That's my top key so far

Vai said we should be doing 4mil minimum

So even you are lower than 4mil overall

[glass mortar]

maybe not at ur ilvl

my goal for every non ToP key rn is 4m+

dont always hit it, sometimes tanks just dont pull so u can hit that so

or if u have like a boss wipe or something but still time it

thats like the goal for a "well run" key

[untold yarrow]

4m ovr in most keys its like a pretty perfect run tbh

plus good rolls no ks deaths

tank with a brain

too many things need to align in a pug

[runic bough]

There are mechanics where ks will stun us

What do you do

[untold yarrow]

just get better at rng

ig

[glass mortar]

send a 1 cp ks or cloak or hold it for after

there arent too many mechanics like that tho

[untold yarrow]

i hate the UB / KS / Coup mechanic

building coup sucks

using KS sucks

[runic bough]

Rook first boss, insta stun.

[glass mortar]

u cant press it during intermission

[runic bough]

No dmg

[glass mortar]

without cloak

[untold yarrow]

yeah its dogshit

[runic bough]

Thanks blazzard for giving us a skill that insta stuns us

[untold yarrow]

i just dont like the fact we want to ks into coup

and then do the shit vanish

[glass mortar]

bro on my rookery on monday night i hit a lag spike during intermission after I had cloak KS'd and it almost outlasted my cloak and killed me anyway

[untold yarrow]

why add this nonsense on top of the spec

[glass mortar]

[runic bough]

Ks and coup loses us at least 5 seconds of adr

[glass mortar]

coup doesnt lose u anything

[untold yarrow]

coup is nice CDR

[glass mortar]

coup gives u adr

[untold yarrow]

BUT

BUT

[vivid vessel]

@glass mortar

second boss

[untold yarrow]

BUT

[glass mortar]

its extremely efficient cdr

[vivid vessel]

thoughts ?

[runic bough]

Oh yeah I havnt looked at adr before and after coup

[untold yarrow]

if you have bad rolls

[glass mortar]

what key????

[untold yarrow]

you can lose adr

easily

[vivid vessel]

17 priory bro

same

first boss

[glass mortar]

how did u do 2.88m on second boss

did u just get turbo bin rng

[vivid vessel]

:)

[glass mortar]

OOF

[vivid vessel]

:)

[glass mortar]

that is like

[vivid vessel]

outlaw isnt rng

[glass mortar]

really tragic

[vivid vessel]

:)

[untold yarrow]

first boss

[glass mortar]

thats a fucking meme

[untold yarrow]

2 targets

losing on 2 target cleave

[glass mortar]

oh i forgot boss order

[untold yarrow]

to uh

crazy

crazy work

our niche

[glass mortar]

thats pretty fuckin good for second boss

[untold yarrow]

outniched

[glass mortar]

but unholy

what the fuk

[untold yarrow]

uh does better 2 target cleave

[glass mortar]

hes not even getting PI

[untold yarrow]

and 99999+ target cleave

[glass mortar]

second boss is 1 target

[untold yarrow]

[glass mortar]

with piss downtime

[untold yarrow]

unluko

[glass mortar]

second boss sucks

[untold yarrow]

2nd boss is dogshit

[glass mortar]

2.88m on second boss is insane for law tho

[untold yarrow]

for melee

[glass mortar]

very good

[untold yarrow]

i just want her back

[glass mortar]

kinda crazy unholy still bodies u

[untold yarrow]

s3 outlaw

plz

ill change comeback

[glass mortar]

with no PI even

kill timer musta been insane for him

[untold yarrow]

ill stop drinking in the morning

plz

[runic bough]

S3 outlaw

Is the Ex girlfriend we lost to a car accident

Tragic

[rapid ore]

s3 outlaw and ill buy bruto

[untold yarrow]

ok me too

[glass mortar]

i mean i feel the same way about s1 tww outlaw man

[untold yarrow]

good idea

[glass mortar]

anything is better then this garbage with kspree right now

we got so much more cursed

in s2

[untold yarrow]

man i dont wanna play this class

but all other classes

[glass mortar]

we are no stronger relative to everyone then we were in s1

[untold yarrow]

are terrible

like

[glass mortar]

but now u are forced to play kspree and actively use it

to do any real aoe damage

[untold yarrow]

how do people play these garbage classes

with 40 apm

[glass mortar]

its about as cursed as it can be

[untold yarrow]

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[cold jewel]

have you tried fire?

it's up there

[untold yarrow]

yeah i hate it

i dont like casters

[runic bough]

Yeah also

Casters don't have a lot of mechanics

[cold jewel]

havoc also pretty high apm

[runic bough]

Not only is it slower but you can sit there every pull

Havoc is not high apm

[glass mortar]

i dont think havoc is that high apm

[runic bough]

Your gcd is gimped like everyone else

[glass mortar]

they dont even stack haste

they dont have many ogcds

im pretty sure the apm calculator for them in simc is just bugged and flagging something as a cast

[runic bough]

Yeah weran tell him

[cold jewel]

i mean ofc if you compare it to outlaw sure but that's just the reality for the vast majority of melee idk

[glass mortar]

their apm on logs is 86 and 20 of that is shattered souls

which unless im missing some mechanic

[cold jewel]

except for energy specs

[glass mortar]

is entirely passive

so their real apm is like 66

a little above average for melee ig

[runic bough]

Yeah dh is slow

And you can't even press an ability if you have no souls and builder is on cd

[late swallow]

devoker apm

[lone spear]

dude i was feeling nostalgic for legion, so i looked at outlaw talent tree

[cold jewel]

i understand what you guys are saying but you are going to think every spec is slow when you are comparing it to outlaw idk. enhance isn't that high apm but i enjoyed alting it last season

[lone spear]

can we have cannonball barrage instead of KS?

[glass mortar]

enhance is high apm tho

i mean its probably a little higher then havoc

[untold yarrow]

enhance gamepaly tho

💀

[fiery timber]

Cannonball was wild tbh

[glass mortar]

anything in the 60-70 range is "high" apm honestly

yes outlaw skews us alot

60-70 is where most of the fast melee exist

anything past that needs some way to massively abuse ogcds or some reduced gcd mechanic

so tanks, and outlaw

[cold jewel]

you just said havoc isn't high apm, then said havoc is ~66apm, and then said melee specs with 60-70 apm is "high"

[glass mortar]

i thot u were saying it was like law tbh

thats my bad

[cold jewel]

no

nothing is like law

ofc

other than tanks

i was just giving him alternatives

to see if he had tried them

[runic bough]

Yes everything is slow to us because we play outlaw

[untold yarrow]

there are no alternatives

there is nothing

for me

[cold jewel]

ok bro

[untold yarrow]

in this game

[glass mortar]

yea i mean

people cope but there really is nothing that plays like outlaw in this game

its why its so sad when its bad

[hybrid crown]

DHS complained all the time about momentum I remember that

[glass mortar]

nothing scratches the itch

[hybrid crown]

Now they don't run it

[glass mortar]

u can try enhance/fury/havoc

[runic bough]

[glass mortar]

those r like the fastest melee

[untold yarrow]

what is that emote

[cold jewel]

i agree with this, but i don't think that makes other specs unfun. people just have to stop thinking in terms of their favorite spec when they try something new and i bet they would enjoy it more

[untold yarrow]

fury

[hybrid crown]

I am betting momentum was about 1/50th as annoying as KS on swirly heavy fights

[runic bough]

Its a hug lol

There there bro

[untold yarrow]

i thought the frog was kissing the other frog

[runic bough]

[untold yarrow]

💀

[runic bough]

Lol what

Do I have been using it as a hig emoji

Hug

[untold yarrow]

idk

i think ur right

[cold jewel]

i've heard people compare WDP on ww to KS

not quite as annoying but can still get you killed if you aren't careful

[lone spear]

playing it in nerubar was kinda annoying, but yea its not as bad

[glass mortar]

i mean im playing ww this season 4fun and

its not even close xd

[cold jewel]

i think that's because we are used to KS

if you weren't it would be a lot harder i think

[lone spear]

my raids WW bitches every time he dies to WDP (which is a suprising amount)

and im just like "haha yea bro must suck"

meanwhile OaB prog got me holding my breath every KS

[cold jewel]

my hug emoji looks like they are actually kissing

[runic bough]

Cuz they are kissing 💋

[cold jewel]

[runic bough]

Ah my eyes

[cold jewel]

huh wtf is wrong with giving ur homie a lil smooch

[lone spear]

its just holesome guys being dudes

[runic bough]

I see

Anyways

[glass mortar]

dont forget to tuck the homies in

[runic bough]

BTW guys don't forget to vote on the wox post in the forums.

[lone spear]

got a link?

is it the same as the old one?

that has the fixed ks?

[runic bough]

Yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

found this

[lone spear]

wow, never seen that before

[runic bough]

I wrote a detailed agreement but it posted as my druid Ryua

Not sure why it picked an alt as my main

Loktark has been active in there too

We need more posts guys

[lone spear]

i upvote when i see them

but its hard to keep the faith

[fallen knot]

may we write a petition to remove sudden demise damage from details? i feel like assa bloats their overall too much

[cold jewel]

there is no shot they don't already know about it. it's just spite as this point

[lone spear]

the 11.1.7 patch notes need the changes or im gonna cry

[cold jewel]

we are suffering from zac's rant about the feint tree

rework coming in 2nd content patch of Midnight

[glass mortar]

11.1.7 should absolutely be spec/class changes

[runic bough]

Midnight coming our screen will go black during ks

[glass mortar]

what the hell else could it be

we already have our mid season filler patch live

[runic bough]

Stop expect class changes guys

This is our punishment

[lone spear]

for what

i didnt do nuthin

[runic bough]

Someone got them mad at outlaw in bfa

[untold yarrow]

maybe ill play a tank

[runic bough]

We have been punished since bfa

[lone spear]

ehhh, thats a lie

s1 DF outlaw was peak

[runic bough]

Besides df s3 there was no highlight

Bfa outlaw and df s3 only highlights

[lone spear]

idk about allat

[runic bough]

S1 was a bug

[late swallow]

df s4 was virtually the same as s3

it's just that other classes got giga stronger than outlaw

gameplay was basically the same

[glass mortar]

s4 we literally just got outscaled

[runic bough]

Yes which is always the case

[glass mortar]

idk why people act like scaling is a myth

they did extremely lite tuning for s4 because it was a meme season

outlaw scales like shit with gear

we were going into third vers dr

we fell off

🤷

thats it

[lone spear]

L + ratio

[late swallow]

spriest doing 1 mill overalls

[runic bough]

Outlaw always loses to scaling since we are hardcapped in damage.

[lone spear]

also damage smamage

[untold yarrow]

bf1 outlaw was fun

[lone spear]

its all about gameplay

[glass mortar]

thats not why we lose at scaling

[untold yarrow]

wait

i mean

[glass mortar]

we lose at scaling because we dont scale with any secondary

[untold yarrow]

DF s1 oputlaw was good

DF s3 was v good

[lone spear]

even rn outlaw is fun to play, there are just some quirks that need fixing

[cold jewel]

i thought season 1 DF post FtH nerf was in a pretty good spot

[glass mortar]

we have 3 secondaries under vers man

its not complicated

[cold jewel]

we were even good in raid until like last 2

[late swallow]

we were literally banging so hard in df s3

[glass mortar]

banging so hard, still barely played in raid or m+

pretty funny

how even when this spec is omegapumping

[lone spear]

thats just outlaw

[glass mortar]

its never fotm

[lone spear]

unelss they rework us

[late swallow]

i had the most fun I've ever had in wow in df s3 playing outlaw

[glass mortar]

makes u wonder

[late swallow]

no cap ong fr fr fr bussin

[cold jewel]

tbf it could be turbo broken OP and it still wouldn't be "popular"

[late swallow]

that shit was superb

[glass mortar]

yea i agree

[runic bough]

It was pretty fun yeah

Before declines for meta too place also

Took

[late swallow]

i yoinked a 489 nicker of time and a 489 thorncaller

[glass mortar]

declines for meta have always taken place

[cold jewel]

it would need to be like cdr broken OP like last season for that week for people to actually want to swap to it

[late swallow]

i was geared to the tits

[glass mortar]

declines for meta has taken place since end of legion

people have just gotten better at finding the meta

as years went on

[late swallow]

vanishing every single frontal on third boss doti fall

[glass mortar]

u think i was getting invites to keys as a shadowpriest in legion man

[runic bough]

[cold jewel]

you guys remember how fast chat was going last season during that cdr week?

[runic bough]

Well we'll well

[cold jewel]

thats what a normal class discord feels like

[late swallow]

yeah people were having a blast

[cold jewel]

kek

[late swallow]

unironically the outlaw yap is still way better than every other class disc

RH has giga yap

[lone spear]

i mean the chat was also bussin whilst coup was bugged

[late swallow]

druid disc has decent yap, but all they talk about is femboys and bussy

[cold jewel]

we yap because we are too tired of complaining

same shit different day

[runic bough]

Trye

[lone spear]

yeaaa

[runic bough]

True

[lone spear]

whats some other cool pirate stuff they could add

[runic bough]

Most of our yap is ways to fix outlaw

[lone spear]

what do pirates even do

[runic bough]

I had a quote of that already

[cinder relic]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

Oh

[untold yarrow]

what tank should i play

[runic bough]

My WA pack is also outdated

[glass mortar]

veng

or prot war

[cold jewel]

veng very fun

[untold yarrow]

veng

ugh

[runic bough]

No

Don't fall for ut

[lone spear]

i think prot war rn is fun

demolish feels chonky

[runic bough]

Veng dies too much even though it has mobility

Go prot war, druid, dk or pally.

[glass mortar]

it really shouldnt

[cold jewel]

veng is the tankiest tank rn what

[glass mortar]

but if u make mistakes it does yea

prot warrior doesnt rlly die even if u make mistakes

[cold jewel]

prot just does giga dam

[runic bough]

Like your dead gathering if you don't pop a cd

[cold jewel]

thats the point

you are the weakeast when a pull starts and then become unkillable

[novel socket]

we could use some fire skills

pirates like to set things on fire

[runic bough]

Other tanks don't have to pop cd on regular mobs pfffft

[novel socket]

[cold jewel]

????

[glass mortar]

when do u think other tanks pop cds

[untold yarrow]

nah

wdym

[lone spear]

oh shit that sounds good, would also give us scaling with the magic damage debuff

[untold yarrow]

prot pally dies insta

on pull

[glass mortar]

all tanks are using defensives rotationally now a day

[untold yarrow]

without sotr on pull

ur dead

[lone spear]

what if they give us a gunpowder barrel we can put down

[cold jewel]

prot pally is the worst rn imo. have to be perfect on gcds or you just fall over

[lone spear]

and if we pistol shot/BtE it, it blows up

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[glass mortar]

ehhh bdk flops super hard rn

[lone spear]

that sounds fun

[glass mortar]

imo harder then prot pally

[untold yarrow]

yeah bdk is like that too

[glass mortar]

but it also pumps GIGAhard

[untold yarrow]

but BDK has more cds

[runic bough]

Like if a mob hit my dh in the back they crit me for 9billion dmg

[cold jewel]

ye i can see that. thats kinda their thing tho tbf

death strike minigame

[glass mortar]

yea the margin for error is just

very very tight for them rn

usually tuned a bit higher tanky wise

[lone spear]

you can play deathbringer and bring that error margin down

but yea

[dense bolt]

@cinder relic how long did it take to get the black coat my goat

[runic bough]

War tank and druid tank have nice dmg amd bring raid buffs

[glass mortar]

but then ur giving up the reason ur playing bdk in the first place

which is unhinged damage

bdk in massive pulls is ☠️

if they dont die

[lone spear]

i mean true

[cold jewel]

he did it really fast iirc, man was turbo farming it

[lone spear]

but if you die you wipe so

shruge

[glass mortar]

tell ur healer to git gudder

[lone spear]

real

[glass mortar]

yea i know my hp bar is going up and down like a yoyo

just react fast???

💅

do ur job healerman

[cinder relic]

About 8-10 hours in total

[cold jewel]

expecting a healer to save a bdk

[lone spear]

pain supp me

[cinder relic]

U get around 1k currency an hour, you need 7800 currency in total

The mob killing groups get anywhere from 800-1000 an hour

[cold jewel]

drop the mog guy

lets see it

[cinder relic]

Just split it out over a few days, not that bad

[glass mortar]

tfw ur healer isnt tracking ur bone shield charges and didnt press a defensive on u when they fell off for 0.5s between mob autos and u went from 90% hp to dead in 0.2s

healer dif

[cinder relic]

Nothing fancy

[cold jewel]

im fucked out of my title UNTIL TUESDAY

FUCK U BLIZZ

[lone spear]

keeeeek

[glass mortar]

wonderful juxtapostion of a comically long name+title and a comically short guild name

[cold jewel]

looks good tho brother

[cinder relic]

Yezzir

[vivid vessel]

solo lol

you wont believe

what i just found

on the wow forums

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489

absolute banger thread

should check

[desert tendon]

what is that zac

tell us about it

[vivid vessel]

ok so

[late swallow]

KS is fine as it is

[vivid vessel]

you see this killing spree spell

that weird spell that jumps you around

well thats a proposal of a fix censi

@glass mortar its ok because at least outlaw got big st right

bottom boss dps on both bosses in priory

honestly second is just cause like

in higher keys you start having overlaps

where the boiss just afk

casting the shield while inside the hammers

so weird

idk why blizz does this

happens much more often this season

weird overlaps that makes it impossible to play for melees

like rookery boss

[untold yarrow]

ok nah

prot warrior

is just dogshit

[untold yarrow]

what is this

[lofty pike]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[vivid vessel]

both st bosses in a 17 priory

[untold yarrow]

why so low

[vivid vessel]

because

bad rng

[untold yarrow]

cant you rng harder

to avoid al lthe mechanics

[vivid vessel]

and you lose uptime

[untold yarrow]

xd

[vivid vessel]

in higher keys

[untold yarrow]

yeah ik

2nd boss right?

[vivid vessel]

cause boss last too long

ye

[untold yarrow]

hammer + not moving?

[vivid vessel]

2nd boss in higher keys

is trash

yes

[untold yarrow]

because he is casting some shit?

yeah

classic

so dumb

[vivid vessel]

he just cast the shield thing

in the hammers

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

everytime

[untold yarrow]

its so annoying

[vivid vessel]

after a lil while

[untold yarrow]

like

[vivid vessel]

idk

[untold yarrow]

actually tilts me

[vivid vessel]

thats just stupid man

[untold yarrow]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

i guess blizzard doesnt have the tech to have bosses moves while casting

unlucko

[untold yarrow]

bro

they cant figure out half that shit

how many seasons

do we hafve fucked up spellqeuues

that cause awful overlaps

maybe i would play my prot pally

but man

i dont wanna play tauren

WAIT WAIT

is this a new alt angle?

@vivid vessel you have no music on stream btw

[vivid vessel]

ye im afk

[desert tendon]

but zac

why would u fix ks

what is there to fix anyway

such an iconic spell

[untold yarrow]

tell me what to play

[desert tendon]

[untold yarrow]

please @desert tendon

[vivid vessel]

real bro real

[desert tendon]

mage all 3 specs

[untold yarrow]

no plz not mage

[desert tendon]

are very fun and strong currently

[untold yarrow]

i dislike fire a lot

[desert tendon]

else do like me

reinstall minecraft

[untold yarrow]

never played minecraft

[desert tendon]

wait for mgs3 remake

[vivid vessel]

cenzi

is that your alt

[untold yarrow]

never played any MGS games

Do I boost:

1. Shammy (Ele)
2. Hunter (BM )

[runic bough]

Nooo

[plush flint]

can you do something before insert key as outlaw with KIR?

[untold yarrow]

!prekey

[runic bough]

If ranged just make mage

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[untold yarrow]

i have a mage

80

650

fire

hate it

[runic bough]

If ranged just go mage yeah

[untold yarrow]

xd

[plush flint]

tyyyy

[runic bough]

Try arcane

[desert tendon]

then reroll arcane

or frost

they all funs

[untold yarrow]

arcane is like

[desert tendon]

for real

[untold yarrow]

brainpower

[desert tendon]

nah

[runic bough]

Okay try it

[desert tendon]

arcane is outlaw like

prio barrage

[untold yarrow]

is there spark fuckery

and TOTM fuckery

casting totm while barrage flying

or some shit

that gave me turbo cancer in SL

[bright crane]

I think it’s funny how we say ol is dedge in high keys cause it’s capped

Then arcane shows up

And completely wrecks shop

[untold yarrow]

arcane has prio

real prio

big difference

[runic bough]

Outlaw is like swinging a wet noodle in high keys looks like

[bright crane]

Maybe they do have real prio - but then that means that being targeted capped is not necessarily the big problem no?

Like you can clearly be capped and still be meta

[runic bough]

If a spec is target capped, it should at least do damage worth being capped.

They chose to handicap Outlaw, rather than make it do normal damage like everyone else

But its been this way since bfa

Intended handicap

[haughty wigeon]

i have a outlawfix

[untold yarrow]

if i have a level 72 prot pally should i boost another pally for tank

i dont wanna play tauren man

[runic bough]

So uh

Just change to female Tauren it's smaller

I did that and it bothers me less now

[untold yarrow]

barber?

[fair tundra]

someeone got a weakaura

[runic bough]

Yeah barber

[fair tundra]

for killiing spree damage?

on self

[runic bough]

I was contemplating night elf race change

[sharp sand]

Have they ever explained why a pirate needs to teleport around

Why can’t you just thrash in one place or fire your pistol maniacally

[untold yarrow]

itsa bit better

but like

still fugly

also

wtf is this

body 1 body 2

[glass mortar]

Kspree doesn't make any sense for outlaw thematically

[runic bough]

Yeah Tauren will be fugly

[glass mortar]

Only teleport we have

It was a combat rogue ability

[sharp sand]

Then can we just do something else with it

[runic bough]

And Tauren have severe hunch look odd with helmets

[glass mortar]

Idk ask blizzard

[sharp sand]

Like summon a cannon and shoot it at our enemy dealing damage to it and other targets

[glass mortar]

Everyone in here has been asking that since tww came out

[sharp sand]

lol

[runic bough]

Flex

If your new to outlW

Law

[sharp sand]

Cool Just wondered if they replied to us

[runic bough]

They create more bugs and take things away.

That is what outlaw usually gets.

Just gyi

[sharp sand]

I started outlaw in S1 so that’s my experience

[runic bough]

Fyi

[sharp sand]

Like I came back to wow S1 and made a rogue

Bc I played rogue vanilla through cata

[runic bough]

For those of us stuck here because we are high apm addicts. We are SOL

No other spec gives us our fix

[late swallow]

If ur a high apm addict go to a casino

[runic bough]

But the slots spinning and pressing the buttons don't do anything

[frail veldt]

fire mage is pretty close

[frail veldt]

outlaw has far less bugs now than it has in the past

[cobalt mist]

is this real apm or "pistol shot is three casts for one button" apm

[frail veldt]

its real

[glass mortar]

Think fires apm involves significantly more ogcds so it is still a different vibe

[frail veldt]

PS counts as one

[glass mortar]

More similar to a tank

[frail veldt]

well fire is still distinct abilities

[cobalt mist]

the apm chart is kinda cringe because like

most people are just casting on the GCD

[glass mortar]

Sure ogcd apm is just easier

Because u can cast it mid gcd

[cobalt mist]

so its mostly a measure of how much haste your spec runs and how many ogcds they have

[glass mortar]

And ur gcds are longer

[frail veldt]

I dont agree with that tbh

ogcd feels harder imo esp if you have multiple things you need to fit inside one gcd

[glass mortar]

Ok but they dont

[frail veldt]

cuz its really easy to delay your gcd and lose dps that way

[glass mortar]

It's generally 2 spells per gcd

A cast and a fb

[frail veldt]

Some specs are

yeah

[glass mortar]

Fire isnt

Some do sure

[cobalt mist]

i wonder if rogue's super low cd kick contributes to the apm too 🤔

[frail veldt]

nope

[glass mortar]

Sims don't kick so no

[frail veldt]

kick isnt part of the apl

[cobalt mist]

wow

sims suck

[frail veldt]

outlaw just has an insanely low gcd

0.8s

[glass mortar]

Low gcd plus decent amount of ogcds

Not a massive amount but more then average

[cobalt mist]

gs/adren/vanish are our ogcds right

am i thinking of any others

[frail veldt]

so even if we didnt have ogcd wed still be at 75 apm

its mostly our gcd being 0.8s that makes our apm so high

and tha twe never miss globals

[cobalt mist]

well

a bit lower

because adren uptime isnt 100%

[frail veldt]

sure

its 97% uptime...

lol

[cobalt mist]

and running out of energy does Occasionally happen

[frail veldt]

not in the sim tbh

[glass mortar]

Not really in sims but yea occasionally

This sim guys real good at the game

Wish I played like him

[cobalt mist]

well he doesnt ever kick or cc

so

mixed bag

[frail veldt]

njeither do any of the other sims

so its a fair comparison

[split lintel]

Neither do most wow players tbh

[untold yarrow]

zac not even 4m+

crazy

[vivid vessel]

:)

bottom dps

against absolute randoms

what can you do

absolute trash spec

second boss priory

this is depressing ngl

cant believe they didnt buff outlaw when fixing the bug

[bright crane]

I mean

Why can’t you

Not even being facetious

[vivid vessel]

bro im depleting a 17 on timer

a 17 on timer

cause my spec does z dps

[untold yarrow]

19s

[vivid vessel]

thats crazy

[untold yarrow]

1 death

but tbh

first pull

400m dam less than boomie

was sad to watch ngl

[vivid vessel]

i forgot to prepull ks

litteraly halfing my dps first pack

cant wait till they fix this

[hidden bay]

how long do the stacks last btw?

[vivid vessel]

infinite

[hidden bay]

hmm

you sure?

im 100% ive used prekey ks and lost them

[vivid vessel]

unseen blades

ye

you lose them sometimes when you enter dungeon

but you keep them trough death even so

[hidden bay]

hm ok

[vivid vessel]

im also 3 ilvl higher than both of them btw

:)

very well tuned spec

[red zinc]

Really dont care about depleting rn with them pretty much just being xp keys

Like in a few weeks everyone just gets free 5-7 ilvl infusion

[vivid vessel]

its not about depleting

its about depleting

cause

[red zinc]

yeye

[vivid vessel]

outlaw doesnt even do enough damage

to outdamage

[red zinc]

wasnt about u

[vivid vessel]

random fotm jimmy mage

that rerolled 15 times this season

[civic zephyr]

TIL im a random fotm jimmy mage

[vivid vessel]

im just mad bro

unlucky

[hollow temple]

[vivid vessel]

i didnt even have time to read

unluck

[red zinc]

read dn

[vivid vessel]

real

[hollow temple]

Maybe stop dps on shield

[vivid vessel]

ye imma do that next time

[vivid vessel]

also wasnt even targeted against you lol

just a general statement you know

idk you so

[civic zephyr]

u should just have stopped dps

[vivid vessel]

ye imma stop dps as outalw

[civic zephyr]

well we lose then

[vivid vessel]

unluck