outlaw

[runic bough]

im noob ks outlaw and still fine most of the tiem

also

fatebound is more single target dps like faq says

so

thats nice

on a good note

im doing my sim damage

just held back by gear and outlaw tuning

gg

if i go sin i can craft all crit mast gears

our best jewelry is pvp for outlaw lol

[delicate seal]

idk but i did like 1.9 at 643

[runic bough]

damn why am i gimped

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6qp8QmcqLGekYDx2q2KJC4

1.9 at 661

[elder raven]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[wintry solar]

any outlaw lovers in chat?

[runic bough]

i just simmed outlaw vs sin right now

sin 1.5mil
outlaw 1.9mil
Single Target if I made crafts for each stats

[wicked acorn]

!pre-key

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[runic bough]

im kinda used to ks now

and coup

just the dmg isnt there yet

I think i feel this way everytime until we are full mythic gear

then our dmg finally shows

[daring oxide]

That’s very low for 659, what’s your ilvl% i can’t imagine you are parsing well for ilvl for 1.5mil at 659

Outlaw dps in raids is insane and in m+ as well

[runic bough]

might be my use of supercharger and rtb

I just pop them whenever

[shy meteor]

KS Looks cool and flashy but its not an ability which u can press at any given time especially in Higher Keys where survivabillity matters more and more

[daring oxide]

That’s fine kinda how you play now

[runic bough]

Im focusing ks and coup outside subt

[daring oxide]

Outlaw just needs lots of practice so probably just keep practising and you’ll get fine eventually

[daring oxide]

Aye basic stuff

[shy meteor]

Also u will have to hold it Sometimes which will affect Ur dmg quite heavily given the curcumstances

[runic bough]

what build do you play single target

my sim says fatebound

do u get that at higher ilvl too

[shy meteor]

In Sims trickster is Always ahead for me, but some raid bosses are almost unplayable with ks

[runic bough]

also

how many adds do you consider using ks trickster over fatebound single target?

[daring oxide]

Fatebound is fine, does good ST but you are at the mercy of lucky coin rng

[runic bough]

I tried m+ spec on stix that helped a lot

[daring oxide]

Trickster ST is most stable and best

[runic bough]

I dont really see another boss with lots of adds besides the slot machine batteries

and gally adds

[shy meteor]

Im playing trickster on every boss except lockenstock

[daring oxide]

Normal and heroic bosses have nothing to do in raid imo

You can play ST outlaw on all the bosses and still do max damage

[runic bough]

i was thinking trickster bf damage would pull ahead if theres any cleave

[daring oxide]

660ilvl m+ you should be doing 4mil+ overall on average

[runic bough]

guess not big deal

[daring oxide]

With average play

[runic bough]

im 660 now

ill test tomorrow

with 2nd craft

[daring oxide]

What are you testing

[runic bough]

ill do m+ trickster

oh damn

I forgot

im simming with 0 buffs

so I am actually very behind

I should be doing 2mil+ single target already yeah

rotation is very wrong

[winter nacelle]

i gotta figure out what im doing wrong lol

[shy meteor]

Which Key Level are u talking about ?

Because when im looking at warcraftlogs there are only a few Dungeons where the top 10 are doing over 4mil overall and Not even all of them

[runic bough]

im 661 now

just made 3rd craft

[frail veldt]

the fuck is this breakdown

[hidden bay]

flurrying

[frail veldt]

instant poison 3rd

kidna wild

[lone spear]

for one pull, i could see it

still kinda funny tho

[shy meteor]

Dude IS playing assa in disguise

[daring oxide]

Easily in 10s, keys like priory or floodgate or motherlode should be easy candidates for 4mil+ as outlaw, good number of targets in pulls

[red zinc]

WCL has lower overalls than details, other guy is referring to details dps

In logs it counts the whole dungeon timer instead of just combat segments like details

[daring oxide]

This

[raven condor]

Blizzards most hated child is what that overall is

[frail veldt]

Waaay over 4 mil for priory in a 10

I think I've had a 5.5 there haha

[daring oxide]

Yes average outlaw should be able to 4+mil easy

Without any buffs is what I’m telling ryukage

Ryukage been struggling to do damage

[frail veldt]

Outlaw got harder

[hidden bay]

5.5 in a 10 is kinda impressive

[frail veldt]

Well it's easier in a 10

[daring oxide]

I think that beats Zac

5.5mil

[frail veldt]

Nah

[daring oxide]

Zac noob confirmed

[frail veldt]

He does it in big keys

In an actual high priory I'm only doing like 4.5-4.7

[daring oxide]

@zac

Wait why can’t I tag Zac wtf

[hidden bay]

@vivid vessel

idk

noob?

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel

Ah it works ty

I am noob

[frail veldt]

This was last week when 10s had the cdr buff

Or was it crit

Whatever it was it blasted haha

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel what’s your outlaw dps record now in keys?

I find haste best buff

[hidden bay]

5.5 in a 10 genuinely seems very impressive unless others do fuck all

[daring oxide]

Insta KS and infinite energy so makes HO trickster giga OP

[daring oxide]

Probably perfect raid buffs I think

[frail veldt]

Lemme see what comp was

[daring oxide]

War shout, monk buff, shaman buff, druid buff

[frail veldt]

Don't have asham or war

But it's druid mw monk and hunter

[daring oxide]

And KIR 1FTH maximum aoe blast

[hidden bay]

did you 5 buff every pack or

[daring oxide]

Perma 6 buffs

[frail veldt]

Nah not insane luck or anything just continuous big pulls

Any pack at target cap I'm usually doing 7mil+

Not playing KiR though

Ho sc trickster

And priory has that first boss that's insane cleave damage

With precise cuts I'm doing like 5 mil that whole boss lol

So busted

All pad tbh lol

[wintry solar]

look what I found in the wild

[hidden bay]

selecting random talents i wouldnt call a discovery

[wintry solar]

this isnt my build

hence "the wild"

[rotund zodiac]

Hi chat

Another day, another suffering

[daring oxide]

We have buff next week

Have hope

[rotund zodiac]

Hope it’s real

[dim widget]

what

where why who

[daring oxide]

There’s always a chance

[runic bough]

im only doing half that omg

[daring oxide]

Did you forget to use correct talents

[runic bough]

sometimes i get a dry rotation could be problems

could be the reason why

nah im using faq

[daring oxide]

Might need to post log for review

[runic bough]

I can get the aoe

up to 5mil

but

single target is low

[daring oxide]

Likely significant rotational mistakes then

At your ilvl

[runic bough]

yeah im sure

[daring oxide]

If you got log can do a review

[runic bough]

will have one saturday

next raid tomorrow or saturday

let me check if I have been saving logs

[rotund zodiac]

I must did something wrong, my average is 3.7-3.8m with 668 gears

[runic bough]

i have log

let me upload

we wiped first pull

and then i had only 1 death after

but rest was pure rotation

oh wait

[daring oxide]

What about keys like priory, motherlode, floodgate etc

[runic bough]

it logged my normal raid too

gg

!log

[daring oxide]

A lot of us do 4.5-5mil+ there with 666+ ilvl especially this deep into tier

[exotic agate]

is 25% uptime on feint normal in +14 rookery?

[daring oxide]

% uptime is irrelevant

As long as you cover all aoe damage with feint that’s all you need to care about

[runic bough]

i posted log

going to bedge now

gn gn

[exotic agate]

used on every pack pretty much and still felt like dying every time there was aoe

[runic bough]

I got a 85 but dmg was only half u said

[magic shuttle]

M+ parses is one of the biggest baits I have seen

[rotund zodiac]

Oh right, those keys I sometimes can get 4m+

[runic bough]

bro i only got half that

[rotund zodiac]

Need more ilvl

U 4 set yet?

[runic bough]

yes

[rotund zodiac]

[runic bough]

[rotund zodiac]

Just get more ilvl

[runic bough]

ye ye i will

[vivid vessel]

5.5 in floodgate 15/16 but

I think I can do 6 in priory now

Just havent done any

Whenever I time a 17 priory im sure with a good route and shit it could be 6 mil

[wintry solar]

They cooked with priory ngl

All my homies love priory

[magic shuttle]

Great voice lines in that dungeon

[wintry solar]

I have dialog off

Messes with my funky jams

[lucid sparrow]

anyone has some tips for single target in m+ build KIR, i try my best to react as the prio says but i dont do much more dps then 1,2m at 666 ilvl

[urban bramble]

Anyone know if Vanish resets your Ball prio on stix? i got it 3 times back to back on our kill and i wanted to cry

[inland acorn]

!commonmistakes

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[daring oxide]

Aye I can see you doing this

[daring oxide]

Nice, good buff comp?

[proven ocean]

My guy is gonna get a full raid comp and link his overall here later

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

Did more than your sub that had a sham buff and Aug

What you want bozo

[proven ocean]

?

That’s just subtlety

And it’s better than outlaw

In darkflame

Also why did my screenshot of that mage get deleted

That had that Chinese yap

[vivid vessel]

Still did more

[proven ocean]

????

[thorny spruce]

That parse percentage is for points which is just timing the 11 compared to keys others have timed. But even then if you click damage by key lvl tab.... I don't think its very accurate

[proven ocean]

I legit posted it yesterday

[vivid vessel]

Probably had better timer as well you noob

[proven ocean]

Doesn’t matter we timed with Aug

[vivid vessel]

Low DPS washed up no cap

Don't ping me again until you improve

You have a long way to go

[leaden folio]

zeross not playing outlaw, no friend now

[normal forge]

That's a lot overall dmg

[vivid vessel]

Ye cause it ain't an overall that's one pack kekw

[vivid vessel]

It's ok yo be washed up lil bro

You have time to improve

All good cuh

[novel socket]

[proven ocean]

wtf Zac

@vivid vessel

There’s huge redbulls for sale in the US

I’m going there right now

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix is this real

[serene pilot]

which spec on rogue is better ?

[daring yoke]

can we KS during swamp boss in floodgate?

[dense bolt]

u always can

[stray ginkgo]

Don't

[dense bolt]

you might shoot some people into the middle of it tho

[daring yoke]

ah lol

[dense bolt]

there is some leeway

[vivid vessel]

nice

[dense bolt]

like in between i think 5 seconds

[serene pilot]

i'm sad because i love outlaw but already bad compare the other spec

[dense bolt]

where ure not tetered

[daring yoke]

yeah gotcha thx

[nova blaze]

hi, what is the haste cap and how does it work, i cant wrap my head around it. also does the talent "take em by suprise count towards that ?

[jovial sedge]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[daring oxide]

Outlaw is the best rogue spec and anyone who tells you otherwise is brainwashed

[dense bolt]

i did a few keys with drohgoh yesterday and he told me i made outlaw look good so im out here spreading the word

[vivid vessel]

sometimes i do keys and i get my hope back up

and then the next key i do half the damage of the dk

[proven ocean]

Wanna dps race my sin so I can double ur dps

?

[vivid vessel]

im good cuh

keep doing less damage than an outlaw with aug tho

washed up noob !

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

!!!

[daring oxide]

Good man, we should do some keys together for fun, I know you are on my server I’ve seen you chilling in dongle

[daring oxide]

You are the most traitorous outlaw I know, I wish you’d come back and rejoin the brotherhood

[lone crow]

hi @vivid vessel

hi @proven ocean

[vivid vessel]

hi anythng

[lone crow]

guys just wait until everyone has max gear, u will see the true power of outlaw

[vivid vessel]

real

we scaling with gear

no cap

[daring oxide]

Dam right show us king

[daring oxide]

We scale amazingly with gear

/s

[lone crow]

xdd

[daring oxide]

But stat scaling is irrelevant

[vivid vessel]

im still not doing the damage i was doing 5 weeks ago with the bug no cap

[daring oxide]

Apparently

So is our aoe scaling, completely irrelevant beyond 8 xdd

[hasty warren]

yo

[hybrid crown]

Have you seen how much more damage the vexie trinket does at max myth? Outlaw op

[sharp sand]

How much? I got it this week and haven’t used it much. Been running zee’s from heroic

[dense bolt]

i hate 1 fth

i press ps in the belief im getting full cps to finish

jokes on me

[hasty warren]

y it's insane

12-13 M per cast

[sharp sand]

In m+ or in general even ST

👀

[hybrid crown]

Outlaws a meta spec now

Vehicle crashing into shit spec

[desert tendon]

12m

Its 1 envenom

Gg

[vapid hamlet]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow temple]

the one u play best tbh

but rogue currently is a very unpopular class if you aim for 15 and above keys

[viral bison]

how many more guilds for hall of fame?

i want my class change

[vivid vessel]

wasntr it over at the end of this reset or smth

[viral bison]

assa > sub > outlaw if you look at meta

[viral bison]

idk rly

[vivid vessel]

we are at 144 guilds/200 rn

but 187 on raider io

i think thats all the bugged ones

[civic void]

Maybe because of the change to requiring the 3 last bosses

[vivid vessel]

ye it bugged some guilds that killed gally that week

[civic void]

But I imagine it should be fixed this week considering they are reclearing ?

[vivid vessel]

also all these guilds are killing next night on the boss

[vivid vessel]

yes

so i think end of week hof is filled, if its not already cause bug

[hollow temple]

what happens if HOF is filled?

[civic void]

Most likely absolutely nothing

[vivid vessel]

nothing

raid explode

[hollow temple]

ahahaha

[hushed horizon]

I love that mastery sucks. I love that I got a house of cards. I love that I got a haste/mast roulette wheel. I love my hero track mechanocore amp

[urban bramble]

Glad you are so happy

[hushed horizon]

Actually I kinda am cause there's a dh I play with who's seething

[hybrid crown]

When did they change split damage trinkets like vexie to do more aoe?

Was that 11.1.5

[gaunt phoenix]

with 11.1

[vivid vessel]

how did they changed it exactly solo

i dont rmemeber

[gaunt phoenix]

30% per target instead of 15%

up to 150%

[vivid vessel]

but it still caps at 5 right

ye

hm

thats still mega shit

[gaunt phoenix]

xdd

[vivid vessel]

Idk i also dont like how it insta spread

so you lose your prio instantly

[timber knoll]

Guys I gave in and started gearing a uhdk, getting a blood beast proc and explosion is more satisfying than anything I’ve like ever done on outlaw why can’t they make us more fun man

[vivid vessel]

i would prefer if they made it do full damage on prio target

then 30% spread to aditionals

so its not mega weird when you have irrelevant smallies and shit

but also idk why its capped at 5

ngl

stats trinkets arent

so why

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean true

the scaling is already poor

why cap it

[vivid vessel]

And it's not like damage trinkets where innehrently strongers in st either

Like by design they just aren't

It's the same in st as stats trinkets

And then the value skyrocket down in AOE

I don't really get why honestly

[hybrid crown]

Has anyone tried a beefed up flame vents in big aoe situations

[vivid vessel]

No

[hybrid crown]

That trinket kinda slapped for big pulls but the channel sucked

Idk if it was good though compared to others

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess i can tell the sim to not hit it in stealth

[timber knoll]

Just let me use bandolier from amirsrasail forever that trinket owned

[hybrid crown]

oh yeah I just did 10 target and my hero track whistle beat the flame vent trinket

at 678

mine carts op

[desert tendon]

it s bizarre zac

cause many of these guilds will need to rekill oab / mug to get hof

🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

Is the channel off GCD

[vivid vessel]

Ye I know

[desert tendon]

Like us we need to wait next week just for oab

[vivid vessel]

There is like 40 guilds on raider io that have killed all bosses and that aren't counted for Hof rn

Unless Hof updates slowlys but I don't think it does

[hybrid crown]

I dont remember and I've just noticed I vendored the trinket lol

[random stirrup]

Gearing up for oab and mugzee reclear next week for hof 💀

[late swallow]

Hof is gonna be full by the end of this week

Surely

[random stirrup]

Hmm I don’t think so

We killed gally post reset and were like rank 170

[random stirrup]

There would have to be 30 guilds who killed gally and recleared mugzee and oab since then

[vivid vessel]

all of these guilds needs at most one night

i think its filled by the end of the week 100%

[random stirrup]

Ye but did all of those guilds kill oab and mugzee since the hof change

[vivid vessel]

hm

[random stirrup]

There are only 144 in hof on the blizzard one

[short fulcrum]

Surely Blizzard will make the HoF cutoff and rankings by when the guild killed Gally, not OAB/Mugzee re-kills

[random stirrup]

Ye they will surely care

[vivid vessel]

baflles me they dont manually check btw

its like 30 guilds

[random stirrup]

Kinda seems like it’ll just be a tier where wcl is the real authority

[vivid vessel]

all the info is publiclly available on 10 different websites

[vivid vessel]

idk a single person that checks wow official website for rankings so

seems to be not so different from any other season

[random stirrup]

Ye for sure

[torpid fiber]

they're already understaffed and you want them to do more work? Smh

[vivid vessel]

"more work"

one guy checking manually like 30 guilds

is half an afternoion work

they just cba doing anything as always

[short fulcrum]

Re-enabling Horrific visions delayed by 6 weeks really took its toll on the Dev team

[hushed horizon]

If I cloak before using KS when flarendo does his frontal I'll live right?

[runic gulch]

or cloak the second you come out of the KS before the dot kills you, i think this is how people are getting the crazy healing logs?

[hushed horizon]

Oooh

[arctic hollow]

You don't have the time to cloack, you die first frame, but that is how they get crazy healign logs yes\

[vivid vessel]

nah you dont cause ks takes 0.5s to hit

so if you know you have been hit

you can cloak before

[arctic hollow]

it does ? I spammed it a few times and it never worked. Specifically on Flarendo every healing log i saw people died, not a single one lived

[vivid vessel]

well you cant really react cause you dont really know you been hit right

but if you know

[gaunt phoenix]

Well you cant cloak during ks so you legit have a 0.5s window to hit it after KS ends which is not super clear when it does

[vivid vessel]

im sure you could find a log of a guy that lived it

but i would assume most die

so it doesnt surprise me you only found logs of people dying

[runic gulch]

tried it last night on an hc reclear, threw out KS, definitely clipped the laser several times and spammed cloak so it proced as the animation ended and i lived

[dense bolt]

good thing i have zacs awesome weakaura that tells me how much my ks ticks me for hashtag ad

[vivid vessel]

well

[reef forge]

Zac will be going for R1 healing logs next

[vivid vessel]

my weak aura only shows after the first tick of damage kekw

i wanted to redo it to look for the damage absorbed during ks instead of the ticking damage after

so its there immediately

but idk

its wrong rn but idk why

[arctic hollow]

Woa, 0.5s of leeway. I'm SO bad, I tried a few times and never lived

[vivid vessel]

or like both weak auras arent saying the same thing

[hasty warren]

what is the % shown by the wa ?

[vivid vessel]

Damage taken by ks dot

In % health

And that will tick every 0.5S for 8 s

[hasty warren]

ok

so 100/16 % is deadly

[mighty pivot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hwXW2cTrHxgY7fd6?fight=4&type=healing&source=7&translate=true&view=events&ability=51690&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%24189983275.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%2431224 log of someone living it by using cloak right after KS

[runic gulch]

still dont 100% understand how you effectively soak the laser intentionally during KS? its a really thin line to hit and you're teleporting all over the place, is just clipping it quickly once or twice enough to reach those kind of healing logs?

[gaunt phoenix]

As soon as you clip it you will instantly take >450 million damage

but killing spree staggers it so you wont take damage until KS is over

[hybrid crown]

it does an insane amount of damage

[arctic hollow]

in myth it's 3 huge laser taking a nice 1/6 of the boss and you can clip it twice or more in a single KS

Last time i clipped it twice and it saved like 720M damage

[runic gulch]

yeah i get how the KS dot works, just assumed that you needed a significant amount of time in the laser

oh yeah fair

66.6mil damage every 0.1 secs

that'll do it

[arctic hollow]

times 3

cause you definitely touch all 3 in KS

[hybrid crown]

people were talking about how much haste you need for mechanics to not hit you and it was something like if you have lust it makes your teleports last .2 seconds instead of .3 or something. im pretty sure you will take at least more than one tick if your teleport lands in it

line up a fat full cp KS, right click everything that gives you haste

max padding

[gaunt phoenix]

it is 0.4s base so i assume 0.2s would be at 100% haste

[hushed horizon]

Considering getting a rave change

Can't be gnome, night elf, or tauren

[hybrid crown]

Worgen

Best

[mellow thicket]

How did demon hunter get a wowhead article about its under performance. Should the same article not be put on the front page of wowhead for outlaw rogue? Confirmation bias being that anything that hits the front page of wowhead generally gets changed.

or at the minimum gets blizzards attention

[random stirrup]

rather significant bug was causing their hero tree to break

nothing to do with tuning

[vivid vessel]

why did we not get an article about ks tho

[mellow thicket]

killing spree is significant in its perforance for killing us?

[vivid vessel]

he isnt wrong

[random stirrup]

because who tf is playing outlaw other than the psychos in here

[hushed horizon]

What's wrong with outlaw? It's fun

[hybrid crown]

I would like KS changed but it's still my favorite DPS spec

[random stirrup]

i just meant its a very low playrate spec

[vivid vessel]

anyone asking whats wrong with outlaw

is either hard baiting

or doing outdoor content only

[hybrid crown]

Oh and make PC an easier to get to talent

[hushed horizon]

The only thing I bait is fish hooks

[jolly geyser]

A master

[hushed horizon]

I will say fatebound felt noticeably worse than trickster in the keys I did

[civic void]

Well because it is

[hushed horizon]

Ok so it wasn't just me

[hybrid crown]

For this patch they super buffed the bf damage of one of the trickster passives

[vivid vessel]

not only that lol

[pearl trout]

at least Fatebound didn't had a self delete button

[vivid vessel]

they buffed every trickstrer node

[hybrid crown]

Oh I thought that was like the most important buff

[vivid vessel]

dont even think it was

[mellow thicket]

if the dev intention was to make trickster the primo hero talent choice. Actually make it functional and not suicidial

[cold jewel]

yall cranking hogs in here?

[mellow thicket]

jorkin it?

[cold jewel]

jorkin it in my jorts

[hushed horizon]

I used KS on the last boss of mechagon

[mellow thicket]

RIP

[hushed horizon]

Yea

[pliant wind]

if u have badluck death is inevitable with ks

[cold jewel]

mans was just trying to healing parse

cant blame him

[pliant wind]

even if u calculate it, badluck = instadeath

[hushed horizon]

Nah I went through the floor

[cold jewel]

outlaw is all about having good luck

git gud ig

[jolly geyser]

I always heal parse on carnage

[pliant wind]

haha

[hushed horizon]

Gave me dawnbreaker vibes when I'd KS on boat and fall through

[pliant wind]

i prefer having badluck with dices than KS

[lone crow]

Killing Spree is so fun nothing is wrong with ks best ability in the game

So fun holy

[wintry solar]

What's wrong with Outlaw?

[pearl trout]

The Killing Spree button:

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[civic void]

Me when held at gunpoint

[jolly geyser]

Make sure to send KS at red insight

[cold jewel]

very true and based thank you anything

[hushed horizon]

Just because a major cooldown gives us uncontrollable movement that results in a high death rate doesn't mean the spec itself isn't fun

[wintry solar]

Uhm

Yes it does

[rotund zodiac]

best trinket combo for gallywix?

[civic void]

When your major cooldown has max 20s cd it kinda does tho

[wintry solar]

Okay

[mellow thicket]

whats your defnition of fun, completion or the floor?

[wintry solar]

Reduce RB by 20%

[desert tendon]

what s wrong with outlaw?

i ve seen warcraftlog stats

it looks very strong

it s even top healer on cauldron

[agile orchid]

I saw zac being top dps in m+ on his stream

outlaw must be very strong

[wintry solar]

Censi I had that EXACT interaction

[desert tendon]

idk i only read guy eleem zac zero stealthi messages

i ignore others

[lone crow]

??

[wintry solar]

"Outlaw top of the logs though"
looks inside
Bottom of first 4 bosses

[lone crow]

./block censinoob

[desert tendon]

hey anythng

[wintry solar]

not a single log after 4th boss

[desert tendon]

you re special

i read your bnet messages

[lone crow]

ure blocked already

[desert tendon]

i can check if i m blocked or not

i dont like liars

[agile orchid]

wdym bottom of first 4 bosses

[wintry solar]

At the time, Outlaw was the bottom parsing spec on mythic for first 4 bosses.

And no data on every boss after

Technically Aug was but I'm only counting real specs

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel why do i see mistweaver

[frail veldt]

Yeah I agree it's still more fun than most specs

But the problem is it could be a LOT more fun

With one very very small fix

[wintry solar]

3

KS, energy, and reverted RB pvp nerf

[untold yarrow]

guys

[frail veldt]

No issue with energy tbh

[untold yarrow]

how is survival hunter comparing to outlaw

[frail veldt]

Id do KS, target cap

[agile orchid]

only issue with energy is without AR

[frail veldt]

In terms of performance?

[untold yarrow]

yeah

like what would you rather have

as an unbiased inviter

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats what I meant

[agile orchid]

the outlaw, hunters are "special"

but less special than mage players

[untold yarrow]

ok pure number wise

players taken out of it

[agile orchid]

I've not seen one single surv hunter this season

[untold yarrow]

yeah so im wondering like

if anyone that plays it

whether its acc worse than outlaw

[hushed horizon]

I tried playing surv

It's not fun

AOE is just wildfire bomb and use abilities to get more wildfire bomb

[untold yarrow]

but are they capped

[hushed horizon]

And pray for tier proc when you summon boar

Wfb no, boar I think caps at 4 extra targets for raptor strike

[wintry solar]

Serpent Sting

But it's easy to apply it to more than 4

Love survival

[untold yarrow]

ok @wintry solar so hows surv compared to outlaw atm

[wintry solar]

Honestly?

[untold yarrow]

give it to me raw

[wintry solar]

If I weren't committed to Outlaw I'd be playing survival a lot more

It's basically what people want from Outlaw minus the pet and high apm

Gunslinger and has extra range

And whatever aoe is hard capped doesn't feel hard capped

To me it's more fun

I don't have to sweat and only be doing okay dmg

[untold yarrow]

sweat for avg dam is fine

ksing yourself for avg damage is not fine

[wintry solar]

Sweat to be below tank is not

[untold yarrow]

lol

i was kicked

[wintry solar]

Which I never am as surv

[untold yarrow]

13 Brew

[wintry solar]

Rip

[untold yarrow]

first pull i did tank dam

and legit

straight kicked

like the key was fine btw

[wintry solar]

Literally illustrated my point lmao

That's funny though

[hushed horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-chris-evans-scott-pilgrim-thats-actually-hilarious-gif-5352440

[untold yarrow]

its so dumb

i told the tank

u know im aoe capped

his reply "so am I"

bruh vdh has different aoe cap than outlaw no?

or am i cooked

[hushed horizon]

If I have cds up should I waste resources on a kidney shot?

[vivid vessel]

vdh isnt target capped on everything no

again its like

another person

that dont know wht real target cap means

[untold yarrow]

depends if it will save your group

blind first

or do the subterfuge stun whatever its called

cheap shot

[untold yarrow]

yeah Zac this is what i thought

another dog

smh

[hushed horizon]

People think target cap is damage falloff after 5-8 targets

[untold yarrow]

imagine 100% dmg falloff after 8 targets

what kind of cucked ass class would have that ?!

[hushed horizon]

I'm sure their damage output more than makes up for it

[craggy quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/deadhorse-lol-gif-4927979

[untold yarrow]

what is dead may never die

[hushed horizon]

You could always play feral druid

[untold yarrow]

nah

i mean i like feral

but its just too slow

waiting for 50% energy to use your abilities

zzzz

[covert kestrel]

am i allowed to post a copypasta about dinars here or will i be censored

[untold yarrow]

this is censorship free zone

[hushed horizon]

I love pasta

[untold yarrow]

1st amendment enjoyers in here

[covert kestrel]

OH WOW 🤡 JUST WOW 🤯 — So let me get this straight 📏—us filthy 🧽 Mythic+ peasants 🧎‍♂️, grinding ⚙️ our little hearts ❤️ out, slamming 🔨 keys 🔑 at +2️⃣ 0️⃣ and beyond 🚀, running 🏃 the same dungeons 🏰 for the 800th time 🕗, wiping 💀 to random mechanics 🎯 that would make a raid boss 👑 blush 😳—WE don’t get to buy 🛍️ those juicy 🍑, over-tuned 💥, raid-only 🛑 trinkets ✨ unless we also kill ⚔️ the boss 👹 on HEROIC 🦾 OR MYTHIC RAID DIFFICULTY 💣? Excuse me WHAT ❓💀

You mean to tell me 😤 I have to assemble 🧩 a raid group 👥, beg 🙇 my guild 🏰 to take me along like it’s 2010 📼, sit 🪑 through 3️⃣ hours ⏰ of wiping 😵 to bosses 🐲 I don’t care 😐 about, just so I can maybe 🫠 earn 💸 the privilege 👑 of buying 🛒 an item 📦 using the same token 🪙 I earned grinding my preferred content 🌀?? What is this, a loyalty test 🔐? Is this WoW 🧙 or a job interview 💼???

"Oh but it’s bad luck protection 🍀, not gear progression 📈!"
Yeah, thanks 🙄, Scarizard 🧠. Glad to know the design philosophy 📜 is "suffer 😫 in other content 🎭 for the chance at pixel salvation 🕊️." Like, what even is the point ❓ of Mythic+ vault 🧰 rewards when the best trinkets 💎 are locked 🔒 behind a system ⚙️ that treats M+ as second-class citizens 👎?
You think I’m slamming 8️⃣ Nokhud runs 🐎 a week 📆 for fun 🎉?? Spoiler alert 🚨: I’m NOT 😡.

This is just another chapter 📖 in the "Raid or Die ☠️" manifesto 📣 Blizzard 📀 has been preaching 📢 since 2004 🗿.

Mythic+ players 🧙‍♀️? Casual trash 🗑️.
PvPers 🗡️? Go stand in the back 🚷.

If it’s not in the sacred 🛕 walls 🧱 of the raid instance, apparently it’s not real content 💭. I guess I’ll just sit 🪑 here with my sad 😞 little stat stick 🪵 trinkets while raidbros 🏋️ flex 💪 their god-tier 🌌 procs 💥 like they’re wearing a badge 🏅 of honor ✊ forged in elitist fire 🔥.

So yeah 👍. Thanks 🙏, Blizzard ❄️.
Can’t wait ⏳ to do more +27s for zero 🚫 meaningful rewards 🎁 while being told I’m "lucky 🍀" to even be allowed 🛂 a seat 🪑 at the loot table 🍽️. ✌️

[vivid vessel]

i see

[untold yarrow]

tbh

dinars topic is legit braindead

because the players dont understand why blizzard added it

[gaunt phoenix]

filter evasion

[covert kestrel]

i asked nicely first

[cinder relic]

The word is filtered for a reason bud

[untold yarrow]

its meant to give RAIDERS items they cant get from drops or vault

[covert kestrel]

oh

not me

my b

[untold yarrow]

its not meant for m+ players

to get items from content they dont do

[novel socket]

yeah but m+ players want bis welfare

[cinder relic]

!warn @untold yarrow No filter evasion

[untold yarrow]

@cinder relic ngl i wasnt even evading its just how i type it now

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

don't type like that in here

[untold yarrow]

😮

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/poes-die-zich-uitstrekt-op-mysims-gif-4169233506206149689

[vivid vessel]

guy

[hard mantle]

!fok

[untold yarrow]

i miss old internet

[vivid vessel]

tell me the juice please

when is ks rework

is it 11.1.7

[cinder relic]

.7

[untold yarrow]

[vivid vessel]

[untold yarrow]

get off the copium zac

you gonna OD

[vivid vessel]

confirmed !! ! !!

[quaint loom]

KS has a higher chance to get removed than to get reworked

[vivid vessel]

skip

[novel socket]

wrong

[quaint loom]

truth nuke

[vivid vessel]

i will remove you

[quaint loom]

accept it.

[novel socket]

fatebound has a higher chance of being buffed so ks is not used

[vivid vessel]

ye idc

[novel socket]

than any changes happening to ks

[vivid vessel]

i dont think anyone cares about ks at this popint

[novel socket]

[vivid vessel]

i would accept anything

a rework

a new spell

[quaint loom]

true

[vivid vessel]

nothing

[quaint loom]

bring back dreadblades

bring back mfd

make outlaw great again

[hushed horizon]

So raiders have the boss itself, vault, and now dinars to get their bis items but if a M+er wants their myth track bis they have to pray to rngesus that it'll show up in the vault over every other single piece of dungeon gear or tier

[pearl trout]

KS Rework for Midnight

[vivid vessel]

mfd

[hasty warren]

no dreadblade

[quaint loom]

I would play again if we got those buttons back

[covert kestrel]

make our crackshot windows an FPS aim trainer

[novel socket]

bring back stacked coup and kill critter synergy

[hasty warren]

mfd ?

[novel socket]

wait what

[quaint loom]

but outlaw just hasnt been fun since dragonflight

[reef forge]

do not accept anything, they will add gcd back to feint

[novel socket]

yes

[hasty warren]

dk outlaw wait shame

[quaint loom]

bring back our old range

[wintry solar]

I'm comparing every outlaw to SL and they've all been bad since

[hushed horizon]

I dislike

[hasty warren]

but rn I feel it's good to play it (beside ks killing potential)

[quaint loom]

true but df outlaw was pretty fun at some point

[hushed horizon]

Also take blade flurry off the gcd

[quaint loom]

season 1 of df was really good

[wintry solar]

For 2 weeks

After revamp

[quaint loom]

s3-4 was fun too

[wintry solar]

For me

[vivid vessel]

current outlaw is so much better than naything we had in df if you ignore acro and ks

[quaint loom]

the KIR build was goated

[quaint loom]

i wouldnt know

[covert kestrel]

?

[hasty warren]

outlaw SL S3 shadowdust kyrian build

[novel socket]

the acro change was so bs

[vivid vessel]

ye er gone

but

double vanish

[agile orchid]

outlaw is getting improved with each iteration

[hasty warren]

absolute banger

[vivid vessel]

and bte reset

[wintry solar]

Yeah I like current outlaw more than S2-3 outlaw

[vivid vessel]

is way better

smooth out the gameplay

a shit ton

bte reset especially

[novel socket]

"we will make all melees have the same range"

paladins still fire skills from 10 miles away

[vivid vessel]

funny how we asked about bte reset legit day one of beta df btw

[quaint loom]

i just hate that i cant play outlaw because the stat diff is so drastic in between specs and i really cba farming multiple gearsets

[vivid vessel]

and it took us 4 tiers to finally get it

[novel socket]

this company and their awful favoritism towards certain classes

[vivid vessel]

meh

[hasty warren]

it's cool but i still think chnaging the "spaming" gameplay can be nice

[vivid vessel]

thats kinda cope idk

[quaint loom]

maybe

[hollow temple]

current outlaw is dead to me

[quaint loom]

im sure if i just looked through my bags i would probably find a good outlaw set

but i have 0 weapons

[hasty warren]

even it's realy nice to play imo

[quaint loom]

so w/e

[gaunt phoenix]

we need you skip

[hasty warren]

what is mdf guys ?

[gaunt phoenix]

mfd?

[vivid vessel]

in the end i use 4 set (actually crafted an hand but whatever was just for some ilvl), and then you just get rings and neck and you can play

[gaunt phoenix]

marked for death

[hasty warren]

y

[hasty warren]

it remind me something

[vivid vessel]

• ring and neck can be pvp farmed

[hasty warren]

it's the skull on red ?

[gaunt phoenix]

[hasty warren]

can't remember what it does

[wintry solar]

Me next season when I can't drop ace

[quaint loom]

ye i have no rings/necks and no weapon

ill send a dinar on the best raid weapon

[vivid vessel]

go do pvp

[quaint loom]

is it mugzee

[vivid vessel]

ye mugzee

[quaint loom]

ill probably get that

and then i start playing outlaw in .5

[vivid vessel]

but shouldnt be hard to get second boss weapon attrib to you no?

[quaint loom]

well

.7

[vivid vessel]

i dont have mug weapon either

[novel socket]

pvp ring and neck are 0.2/0.1 increase for me

[vivid vessel]

[quaint loom]

ye

[novel socket]

not worth it

[quaint loom]

i just have been passing on it forever

[vivid vessel]

do you still have people that need it lol

we were done with it like week 2

[quaint loom]

probably not

just rolling mog

[novel socket]

are you playing outlaw on raid ?

[quaint loom]

and ive been rolling mog instead of offspec

no

[hasty warren]

oh yes mfd was banger

[novel socket]

hmm

[hasty warren]

in m+

[novel socket]

i was surprised that so few people play outlaw on raid

even less than sub players

[hushed horizon]

More risk and less reward

[covert kestrel]

i love deft

[wintry solar]

Have you ever won anything?

[hasty warren]

precise cut on 2 target = + (8-2)x5% dps ?

or 8-1 ?

[hushed horizon]

Sims seem to broke so I'd like to ask yall. For trinkets I have house of cards, kujo flame vent, footbomb dispenser, and mechanocore amp. Which 2 should I use?

[cinder relic]

.5 was way faster than I expected

.7 for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

7-2

[gaunt phoenix]

none of the above

hoc and amp probably

[hasty warren]

ok

[gaunt phoenix]

but they are modeled in simc correctly

[hasty warren]

wasn't sure how it worked

[hushed horizon]

Ok ty

[tulip quarry]

Oh you're back to two radiant power ? ^^

[vivid vessel]

im not raiding till wednesday

so radiant power it is till then

[tulip quarry]

I aim to maybe play with one of each

I'm a lazzy boy and don't want to change every time XD

So best of both worlds :p

[shy meteor]

Is it still HO or is KIR the way to Go or is it kinda equal?
Cause im seeing both played very often

[vivid vessel]

nah you play ho if you are a normal player

[shy meteor]

But im weird

[covert kestrel]

[craggy quiver]

[agile orchid]

kir does better aoe I think

[limber hazel]

Greetings all! I would like to ask if it is ok to use finishers at 5 combo points (when you have 7 max) in situations you have procs like Audacity or opportunity

because guides say to use finishers at 6+ combos

[gaunt phoenix]

ho build finishes at 5 with audacity or opp

but its not a particularly big deal

[limber hazel]

Thanks!

[untold yarrow]

fated should play myfreecams coin sound every time you get a coin]

thoughts

[covert kestrel]

[frail veldt]

Wait precise cuts on two targets if two includes the target you're hitting should be 7-1 right?

[fallen knot]

why is it a pain to gear an alt

low m+ are a fiesta and i cant get invited

i should do delves fml

[gaunt phoenix]

oops it is 7-1

@hasty warren

[frail veldt]

Yeah wasnt sure if they meant 2 targets including main target or 2 targets being hit by bladeflurry

[frail veldt]

Its like faster than ever before lol

Though I do wish they had those boxes out that you can buy with valorstones that give a random champ piece or whatever for your alt

that would be nice

im overcapping valorstones so hard on my main

[hybrid crown]

The increased crests from higher key levels has been nice

[frail veldt]

Yeah it is

Im still below cap

lol

gotta catch up

Got gear to upgrade

closing in on 670

[warped peak]

Is 22% crit too high? My sim is showing 678ilvl Improvised Seaforium Device as a DPS loss in raids compared to 665ilvl magnet trinket off Styx, and only a small DPS increase in M+.

[frail veldt]

theres not really a "too high"

put on whatever gear the sim tells you will do more damage

[untold yarrow]

legit do your key

just avoid the 9 range

[frail veldt]

8/9 is awful

[untold yarrow]

7s and 10s are ez alt farm

[frail veldt]

its full of the worst players I swear

[bright crane]

It’s true

[untold yarrow]

you can do your 8 to get a 10

list it as a 7

[desert tendon]

Yea

[untold yarrow]

invite big boys

[desert tendon]

I confirm

Mewo on 9

[untold yarrow]

and start +8

xd

[desert tendon]

Dont touch that range of keys

[bright crane]

What’s nice though is that you can low key carry 8’s as long as the tank and healer are competent

[hasty warren]

okok

[bright crane]

I hit 669 last night (hehe nice)

[hasty warren]

its 7-nb mobs -1 (for first target)

[gaunt phoenix]

your crit is fine that's just how the that trinket is

sounds expected it loses ST and improves in aoe

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel on first boss of priory since with PC our bladeflurry actually does more than 100% is it better to not hit dale and instead cleave onto him for maximum damage to him?

or do we have enough stuff that doesnt flurry that it doesnt matter

solo you might know

do we actually do more damage to the non target

if its a two target situation

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/hands-up-party-time-singing-bounce-dancing-gif-7934002190273059949

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter damage is shared

[frail veldt]

oh

okay but still do we do more damage to the non target in a 2 target situation?

[gaunt phoenix]

with GM active you will flurry for 112.5%

But main target still has ghostly strike (and more fazed uptime)

[frail veldt]

hmm

I dont run gs

[gaunt phoenix]

er i guess only KIR gets ghostly strike and pc

[frail veldt]

lol so I might actually be doing more damage to the other target

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[frail veldt]

hahahahahah

does fazed debuff impact flurry damage received?

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[frail veldt]

okay thought so

that was zacs complaint with KS aoe applyign fazed

[surreal flower]

Doesn’t it not matter since they share damage taken?

[frail veldt]

is its entirely pointless

[frail veldt]

yeah thats what zac said

[surreal flower]

Oh

[frail veldt]

but there are other situations

[surreal flower]

[frail veldt]

where I was always curious

if I technically will do more damage hitting a different target than to the main target

[vivid vessel]

ye

but only with gs off

[frail veldt]

wild

[gaunt phoenix]

without grand melee it is 100%

so the same

[frail veldt]

hmmm

[vivid vessel]

fazed offset it tho

idk why fazed doesnt just

work

would be cool

[gaunt phoenix]

xdd

[frail veldt]

we know why

[vivid vessel]

do we

[frail veldt]

its the same answer to any other "why" in this fucking game

[gaunt phoenix]

it would also take 48 seconds to fix

[vivid vessel]

ye lol

just forgot bf in the whitelist

gg

how hard can it be

[frail veldt]

remove KS teleport: how hard can it be?

raise valorstone cap: how hard can it be?

[vivid vessel]

5min

wox told me so

[frank finch]

Ez if enough ppl complained

[frail veldt]

I think that shold tell you that the reason it isnt being done has nothign to do with difficulty lol

[frank finch]

To bad no one plays rogue

[hasty warren]

i'm top 7 realm with 3020

[vivid vessel]

wish i could just pay their salary for a bit

so they fix outlaw stuffs

[frail veldt]

lolol

[vivid vessel]

i would do it no cap

[frail veldt]

for like two weeks or something

one sprint

[frank finch]

It’s not being done because they have something bigger in mind and are just taking their sweet time

[frail veldt]

cmon

[vivid vessel]

ye

i dont even need 2 weeks bro

i could do all this shit in one afternoon no cap

[shell fossil]

we killed mythic vexie again with 9/14 dps doing 4-15 grey parses

[pearl trout]

how many store mounts would take to fix Outlaw?

[shell fossil]

i parsed a 4 on trickster ho lmao stupid oil spills

[frail veldt]

well im sure theres some test and validation stuff that would take longer

[frank finch]

That’s just bad strat

[vivid vessel]

haha

thats funny

[frail veldt]

writing the code is like <20% of the work

[vivid vessel]

nah thats actually a funny joke mewo

[gaunt phoenix]

test and validation would prevent this from happening

[vivid vessel]

you got me there

[shell fossil]

ye definitely a ranged friendly strat

[frail veldt]

hahah well I mean in a real workplace

[vivid vessel]

"test and validation"

blizzard btw

[frail veldt]

lololol

[vivid vessel]

every patch they break the whole game

0 changes

[frail veldt]

yeah idgi

[wintry solar]

I'd imagine they have meetings on mondays and they just never bring it up.

[hasty warren]

real

[robust blade]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[quasi notch]

Any new outlaw bugs have been away a week?

[frail veldt]

wat

oh a comma was missing

there arent any new outlaw bugs afaik

[frank finch]

I swapped to dwarf and I already hate it

[vivid vessel]

I hate you !

[gaunt phoenix]

why

[frank finch]

My hook breaks 50% more

I swear

[fallen knot]

nah i'm going to be delving as bdk till 670

fuck anything else

is the bounty only 1x week or is it infinite?

[covert kestrel]

1x a week

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon btw do u have a 4k monitor

or

[glass mortar]

u can get more then 1 map a week but only 1 map can be guarenteed from the undertaker dude

any past that is just rng

and that includes if u get an rng map from a box before u spawn the undertaker

[covert kestrel]

and can only use 1x week right

[glass mortar]

nah

unless it changed

ive def used 2 maps in a week on my monk

[covert kestrel]

i thought that was the change to s2

or was that just the generation of maps

[glass mortar]

the change in s2 was to make it give u a guarenteed map if u kill him

[valid kindle]

they made it be just 1 map max this season

[gaunt phoenix]

i had the impression you could only get 1 map a week

[valid kindle]

much higher chances to get the 1 map randomly this season too

[glass mortar]

hmmm maybe i just had a map buff carry over from a previous week i didnt consume

[valid kindle]

bad luck protection the more delves you do or some shit

[glass mortar]

ive definitly done two maps in a 1 week lockout before

[gaunt phoenix]

when you click the delve it shows if the map is a possible loot option

[covert kestrel]

not in my experience lol, only 1 natty map the whole season despite completing the journey n shit lol

[glass mortar]

ive definitly seen way more

i get the maps quite often without ever buying the undertaker thingy

but i also do like 20+ delves a week so

[valid kindle]

I got like 2 maps randomly last week alone

[gaunt phoenix]

bro playing delvecraft

[valid kindle]

2 different chars ofc

[glass mortar]

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