outlaw

[cinder relic]

Well u cant use the weakaura either

the weakaura uses the command

[vapid sundial]

That doesn't work either now?

Lmaooo

[clever river]

bro this game....

[vapid sundial]

I think

[slate plaza]

no workaround now im assuming?

its forced on

[vapid sundial]

Blizzard partnered with amd

[clever river]

running like 80 fps in raid with an 13th gen i9 and a 4080 is wild to me in this age.

[vapid sundial]

Either upgrade to new amd cpu

[slate plaza]

good i got an amd cpu

[vapid sundial]

Or quit

[slate plaza]

i went full amd 2 years ago

nvidia is wild with their prices

[vapid sundial]

Nah I Mean the new set

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean if it really causes problems and you can't disable it then that's fucked up

[vapid sundial]

It does

[slate plaza]

its 20% performance for some

that is fucked up

[vapid sundial]

It literally eats 20-30%

[slate plaza]

theyre mining bitcoin off my pc now since theyre going broke

whats the point in enabling cpu profiling? what does it even do

doesnt it track addon usage and all that

why would blizz force enable that

[cinder relic]

It tracks the CPU usage of your addons

[gaunt phoenix]

the reason is prob not Big Evil Blizzard but idk i cant ask their engineers

[frail veldt]

I noticed my game running a lot worse when alt tabbing back in lately like even movement is super delayed it's strange

[vapid sundial]

[slate plaza]

whats the point of force enabling it from blizz perspective?

[vapid sundial]

Well boys.

Upgrade your cpu or quit.

[vapid sundial]

This is how they get people to stop using add-ons and weak auras

[cinder relic]

Probably helps with some form of backend development and optimization if I had to guess

[vapid sundial]

Instead of banning them

[slate plaza]

i was thinking that

[vapid sundial]

[cinder relic]

Yeah that seems more accurate

[slate plaza]

or theyre looking into getting into the addon market

[cinder relic]

the devs want to stop you using addons

rather than banning them

that seems like actually whats happening

[vapid sundial]

Fr

On god

No cap

[slate plaza]

i mean honestly tbf

[cinder relic]

Very high level ideas from the rogue discord as always

[vapid sundial]

Guy

Are you like

[slate plaza]

i see where theyre coming from

[vapid sundial]

Not able to detect sarcasm rn

[slate plaza]

but like theyre rotation thing they added and cd tracker is fucking ass and not customizable

[frail veldt]

Yeah I figure they're piggybacking off of it for the new cool down manager

[cinder relic]

When people like ryukage say things like "shareholders control class balance" I can't infer how stupid a comment is

[slate plaza]

if they want me to stop using addons give me good alternatives

[frail veldt]

And logging performance impacts

[vapid sundial]

Nah that's a crazy take.

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble i swear ks on bandit

[vapid sundial]

Most the shit I say is a meme

[vivid vessel]

it cannot be me only

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cozy-warm-and-cozy-bedtime-puppy-good-morning-gif-6453602115571297343

[vivid vessel]

this shit is terrible

[vapid sundial]

But genuinely

[vivid vessel]

i feel like im lost

[vapid sundial]

This is such a dogshit change.

It doesn't matter if it helps their backend.
Causing users 20-30% performance loss is absolutely unacceptable

[cinder relic]

I mean I tried both with and without this cpu profiler enabled and my FPS was identical

and a lot of ppl in my guild felt the exact same way

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe the issue is more complicated than you think

[cinder relic]

I don't think the average user is losing 30% fps from some script

[slate plaza]

^

[vapid sundial]

Not everyone, but there's a good bit of people I know who had issues with it.

[slate plaza]

its def a combination of addon bloat and cpu strength

like people running massive weak aura packs are getting fucked

[cinder relic]

The placebo is a powerful effect

Is what I'll say

[vapid sundial]

I mean you say that but a lot of people have also said it affects them

[honest sparrow]

I dont have a fps but since tww i have the issue that my game freezes randomly for like 5-10 seoncd which is annoying but you learn to live with it. I tried it with a completly no addon just standart ui and still happens so i dont know what causes it

[vapid sundial]

It's a no win situation

[slate plaza]

when you alt tab?

did they fix the sound bug with custom sounds or no

[honest sparrow]

happens then the most but not only that but i did try play the game without the wa addon active after i saw the ping and still happening

[vapid sundial]

Talking to a friend who devs for games and he also finds this decision weird. Profiling is usually run in short burst, not perma on.

So Idk

[slate plaza]

whos not to say they wont turn it off in a week

[dense bolt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[slate plaza]

i doubt they will but still

[vapid sundial]

They'll forget dyw

[frail veldt]

I mean the win in this case would be them using the data to improve their cool down manager feature

[slate plaza]

thats what i was thinking was gonna happen

but why would they have coded it in as an addon

[vapid sundial]

I'd be more inclined to forgive for it if blizz was willing to say why.

But just randomly doing it without a word is a bit yuck.

[frail veldt]

Yeah lack of transparency is shitty

[vapid sundial]

They're normally not transparent

So that I'm used to.

BUT something like this I kinda consider major?

Idk

And I feel there should be communication

[tight kernel]

So @vivid vessel fb kir on mug?

[vivid vessel]

idk ks is too hard

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel btw

every top rogue is saying bleed build is bad

lmao

anythng, casual and me

and idk who else

its legit horrible

[desert tendon]

i say the same

[vivid vessel]

i still dont play assa ross

[desert tendon]

horrible

constant damage

[proven ocean]

its bad st

[desert tendon]

disgusting

[proven ocean]

legit sim bait

on st

its crazy

[late swallow]

Bleed build is good for 10-14 copers

[desert tendon]

^

this is true

[late swallow]

They’ll play in 16s with godcomp and be like “see it’s good”

[desert tendon]

bleed is even god i d say in 10 14

then it s just good

however

[tight kernel]

@vivid vessel I knew u were gonna beat my r1 on cauld but you didnt have to gap me so badly

[desert tendon]

if u play full melee comp

full phiscyal buffs

[proven ocean]

bleed build isnt that op in +14s

[desert tendon]

it helps more bleed than hyrbid

[cinder relic]

Bleed build is bad for the 10 ppl that push keys on rogue

[desert tendon]

why are we assa talking again in outlaw

[daring yoke]

is vault bug fixed? they say next morning, but have no idea when lol

[proven ocean]

yes should be fixed

as far as i know

[desert tendon]

however i hate not having subterfuge zero, fk me getting out of stealth and having to comit vanish for mark

it s fixed yea

at least EU

[proven ocean]

u need to know what causes u to leave stealth

and adjust beforehand

[late swallow]

Just play FB

[desert tendon]

real

[proven ocean]

facebook?

[desert tendon]

fireball

[vivid vessel]

np cuh

[tight kernel]

you like kir better?

[proven ocean]

when are the sub buffs

??

[wary wind]

Can’t do any tuning until season is almost over and then at that point just wait for the new patch 🙂

[vivid vessel]

i only play kir

[desert tendon]

in 2 days i heard

+200% sec tech crit damage apparently

apparently havoc dh are fucked again this patch

[modest rampart]

is the wowhead guide writer in this discord?

or where does one post feedback?

[cinder relic]

hi

[leaden folio]

hey guy

[vivid vessel]

hi

[desert tendon]

look how active and fast he is, what a chad

[modest rampart]

oh hey, ehh, the build preview links from the WowHead->m+->Build per dungeon are all broken

[vivid vessel]

noob

[cinder relic]

fuck

[desert tendon]

LOL

gg

[vivid vessel]

so bad i cant

[leaden folio]

HO broken

[cinder relic]

should be fixed

[modest rampart]

yep, everything good now ty

[heavy shadow]

How are you supposed to do dmg to second boss in Rookery

[modest rampart]

that is a question for your tank.

[valid grove]

^^

[ancient cobalt]

whats that boss again

[heavy shadow]

Ah so that constant AoE he was stood is wasn't the norm...

[modest rampart]

the dood with the jumping dot

[heavy shadow]

It's horrible, got to worry about that DoT too

[modest rampart]

the dot managment is a party thing though. If your ranges suck, you will die YEP

[heavy shadow]

They were all just chilling at the back, tank got the DoT first passed to me

So most of the fight I was either passing it to range or avoiding aura hah

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel wanna play with us

schedule 1

?

can gift u the game for free

@desert tendon

u too

?

[desert tendon]

what is that

i just checked wtf

[proven ocean]

wanna come

?

or

?

[delicate seal]

tanks that dont know how outlaw work are suffering

fish in that one pipe dungeon too

[vivid vessel]

idk what that is

[proven ocean]

game

wanna join

or?

sec

i show

come to dm's

[desert tendon]

who's us also

many questions

[proven ocean]

just a dk im plyayingw tiwh

with*

playing with*

[runic bough]

Yo outlaws

To those who have been playing ks all month

Do you ever feel like ks is fluid in your rotation?

Starting into adding ks for me just feels like ks interrupts rotation

Fluid is no longer a feeling we have or

How do you feel about ks being added to rotation?

Feeling about the rotation flow itself

[glass mortar]

the timing of it is fine but inflexible

and of course ity interupts the flow, its basically hitting a wall in ur rotation

and going afk for 3s

[proven ocean]

@cooked

@glass mortar

[glass mortar]

the timings of vanish > kspree > coup > vanish cycling is honestly fine, the issue becomes if u ever want to try to hold vanish for a mechanic or anything it all falls apart and u end up overcapping vanish or vanishing to prevent AR from falling off and having kspree/coup come up mid vanish

whatsup zeross

[hybrid crown]

I feel like figuring out how to get a cheeky 1 point ks in helps

like when you get one combo point back using that on a ks when theres too much mechanicing going on

[glass mortar]

well im not talking about delaying kspree tho

my case is assuming u can ks on cd

u certainly would never send a 1 cp ks during crackshot

[hybrid crown]

right

[glass mortar]

its a super nightmare if ur actually trying to optimize it around mechanics thta might kill u

and fwiw, even 1 cp isnt "safe" in those cases

its much safer then a real cp one

but it can just decide to TP u to the opposite side of the boss on its first teleport into whatever bad thing ur worried about hitting

had that happen in darkflame on monday xd

[untold yarrow]

ks is a shit interruption

and managing vanish around it is annoying

since you have less agency to use it to avoid mechanics

which imo is something i really liked about pre-crackshot outlaw

[glass mortar]

the timings r very tight yea

[untold yarrow]

like

[glass mortar]

like the flow is good (Except for kspree existing how it does), but its very easy to disrupt too

[untold yarrow]

pre crackshot outlaw

halls of valor

fenrir

[glass mortar]

as soon as ur holding vanish for evern 5-6s

[untold yarrow]

you can hold vanish and with CDR you can vanish every leap

[glass mortar]

u can be wasting coups and ksprees

[untold yarrow]

it was HUGE

HUGE

like

small things like that

where you had to move out of the group and vanish

but doing it corerctly saved a ton of group damage

i wish there were more things where rogue could do that

instead of having "active" utility, there is this passive knowledge + skill aspect

that makes the run easier and would be an argument for bringing us

sadly, this isn't prob will never be the case

[frail veldt]

We had that in 3rd boss of fall

in df

they actually kinda removed a lot of those

I think mainly because meld also worked on them

which made meld too op

so they got rid of a lot more things that you used to be able to meld/vanish

[late swallow]

you should be able to meld class tuning

if there's a nerf incoming just hit em with the vanish

[lean root]

Grim codex allways sim me better then pacemaker did anyone used it in raid ?

[runic bough]

Yeah so everytime u ks you should coup but if adr is active I don't want to coup and I don't want to ks.

[frail veldt]

whys that

youll run out of vanishes if you just ignore ks/coup during adr

[runic bough]

Ks and coup interrupt my soul

No more bang bang

[frail veldt]

its very fluid to ks -> coup -> vanish

they all are close to 1:1

[runic bough]

Unless adr is falling off which it always is now

[frail veldt]

wdym

adr uptime is like 95%+

[runic bough]

Even with ks?

[frail veldt]

yes........

rofl

[runic bough]

That's wack

[frail veldt]

I have a lot of keys where its 100%

due to restealths

only time I drop adr is long boss fights

[late swallow]

Yo guys its me Ryukage.

I have joined the genocide of killingspree. Please prayge for me and my family that I do not die too many times and get blocked by too many meta players in pugs.

Thank you.

[runic bough]

And ks coup is outside subt though

Adr is ticking down

While your pressing ss for every cp

Goodbye Felicia adr

[late swallow]

goated quote ryu

bye felicia adr

[tacit chasm]

does someone has the weakaura that plays that shotgun sound the BTE gets a cp refund?:D

[runic bough]

I can't tell you how many times I had to cast bf from adr dropping

The key before I was kir and never dropped it

Huge gameplay difference adding ks coup

I wonder

Thank goodness single target is still fatebound

[untold yarrow]

fat chicken 肥鸡 power of sun and moon active 日月之力 活趺 stars fall from sky 星星从天上掉下来 need infusion from church man 需要教会 人士的注入

[devout smelt]

Trolling?

[frail veldt]

you know coup gives you more cdr right...

coup improves adr uptime

and KS gives you more charges towards your next coup

you literally lose adr uptime by not using coup/ks if youre playing trickster

[late swallow]

gotta press coup Ryu

it's a really good button

[vivid vessel]

do you

[frail veldt]

for sure

what

[vivid vessel]

im not entirely sure its net positive ?

or

[frail veldt]

coup has to be

[vivid vessel]

all the ks spent time vs a coup

[frail veldt]

KS gives half a coup

and KS costs you 1.5 gcds

depending on your haste

[late swallow]

gotta measure KS cdr vs. duration

[vivid vessel]

ye but its 3s gcd for +5 cp

[frail veldt]

KS might be close to neutral

[vivid vessel]

ye i guess thats one finisher worth

i mean

[frail veldt]

but coup def isnt neutral

[vivid vessel]

neutral to me isnt it

[frail veldt]

coup is def positive

[late swallow]

(KS CDR - duration) + Coup CDR

surely positive

net

[vivid vessel]

if ks is worth 2 gcd and you consider one ks = 1 coup

2 gcd = 5cp worth

and ks is longer than 2 gcd also

[desert tendon]

too much maths for my brain

sorry

i reroll war

[frail veldt]

Yeah I guess if you wanted to maximize adr uptime youd 1cp ks

or maybe 2cp

[vivid vessel]

mayube idk

[frail veldt]

depending on how many cps is still under 1 gcd

[vivid vessel]

just saying im not entirely sure

[frail veldt]

yeah KS is the one im less sure of

[vivid vessel]

like might be neutral right

[frail veldt]

but coup itself 1000% is worth it

also you cant avoid couping

[vivid vessel]

but in the end ks is 2.x gcds

oh ye coup sure

[frail veldt]

you have to press dispatch eventually

lol

[vivid vessel]

im talking about the addition of boss

[frail veldt]

or you spam snd

[vivid vessel]

both

[frail veldt]

both vs neither hmm

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

I would think its still positive

[vivid vessel]

thats what i was talking about

[frail veldt]

I mean you literally cant play with neither

how you gona avoid couping

[vivid vessel]

no but

its in the scenario where like

you would never proc coup you know

[frail veldt]

oh sure

[vivid vessel]

like i dont think coup + ks is cdr positive entirely

its prolly neutral +

idk

[frail veldt]

I mean its essentially just fatebound but without the extra cp from SS

[vivid vessel]

and 5% fth chance also

[frail veldt]

is fatebound lower adr uptime?

or same same

[vivid vessel]

its slightly higher i think ye

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

eh cant compare

trickster is playing 1 fth here

cba

[frail veldt]

ah shit

98.76 vs 96

[vivid vessel]

ye but trickster is 1 fth here

[frail veldt]

oh you can use the st one

but thats kir vs ho

[runic bough]

If I wasn't outlaw I'd be so lost in the lingo

So you think building cps for ks is not good or

[late swallow]

ryukage is my king

[runic bough]

I know u guys said to low cp for survival

[vivid vessel]

thats not what i said

we know its better to build to max

for ks

[runic bough]

Now its a question of low cp for maximizing

Ye

[vivid vessel]

doesnt mean i believe its worth for cdr

which is like

not relevant

because there is more to outlaw than just cdr

[runic bough]

Ok ok so goal is to build max cp ks

[late swallow]

is there a forbidden KS FB build out there?

[runic bough]

Fuck

[vivid vessel]

if it was just about cdr then ye maybe we would low cp ks who knows

[tacit orchid]

should i choose precise cuts over count the odds? i had count the odds picked forever

[runic bough]

!commonmistakes

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[runic bough]

Is trickster ks mistakes in there

Like casting ks during subt is no no right

No its not

[glass mortar]

It is a nono

[gaunt phoenix]

Nono square

[glass mortar]

It's a major mistake not a minor one tho

Pretty hard to do that by accident

So it won't be on the list

[runic bough]

Yeah what are some other no no"s?

Adr falling off is another shared no no from fatebound

So that should be up still is what mewo says

[late swallow]

do we cast BTE during subterfuge?

[runic bough]

Now your just mocking me

[late swallow]

nah I'm not mocking you bro

[runic bough]

You dont mock your king

[glass mortar]

If u wanna idk I'm not ur dad

[late swallow]

fuck man I'm sorry i meant no disrespect

[runic bough]

Guards take him away!

Well guess I just have to play and figure it out

Not fun trialing foe raid in New builds Yolo tho

[raven condor]

dispatch only

bte only outside of vanish otherwise we're wasting restless blades cdr 🤡

[late swallow]

holy based someone get this guy working on the APL

[wary wind]

Where’s the outlaw buffs at

[raven condor]

Arcane got them.

[runic bough]

Okay guys I'm reading advanced section

I want to be advanced outlaw

[raven condor]

Remember; only KS when there's swirlies.

[runic bough]

Sometimes I get impatient and pop kir with 2 buffs I guess that was bad.

[raven condor]

Very advanced techniques

[runic bough]

Yes especially stun mechanicses

[raven condor]

10/10

[runic bough]

Like first boss motherlode when he cast frontal swirlie

Good time to ks

[raven condor]

incredible time possibly the only time

[runic bough]

Once it hits ull be stunned and ks will be stopped just as planned

Hmm

[late swallow]

he does that mechanic like

3-4 times max

and it's like a 2-3 min fight

[runic bough]

Another trick I noticed

Remember where you pressed ks

You'll be coming back into the mechanic that's now there

Giga fast hook time

Need to dust off my crackling wrists to react with hook

[raven condor]

into another mechanic ofc

[runic bough]

Honestly that's the only fun that ks brings

Hooking out of mechanics when it's over

That's it

The entire ability is troll

[latent oak]

ryu u can ks mid grapple animation aswell

[raven condor]

All aura no dam

[runic bough]

Oh really

[raven condor]

NO WAY LMAO

[runic bough]

Hook ks and then where do you land?

On the hook destination or where ks was pressed

[raven condor]

Add two extra jumps to a supercharged full combo bar. really fuck with the group when a circle gets put on you

[runic bough]

I wanna try that on mugzee tonight

[raven condor]

[runic bough]

Saving ks just for that

[latent oak]

u end where u were when u pressed it

so midway through grapple most times

but still useful

[runic bough]

Thought so

[upbeat tundra]

wish i could ks irl in traffic

[runic bough]

Essentially canceling the remaining hook.

But useful

[latent oak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F8bldCSDls

spree should do this

[runic bough]

True

[upbeat tundra]

u guys ever see the adds come out on one arm bandit and want to hit ks so bad to blow up the raid

[runic bough]

We can't cancel it and it's a long active it would be the tradeoff.

But not with this company, double negative for outlaw.

[runic bough]

Why will you blow up?

[upbeat tundra]

because when you touch the adds they blow up

[latent oak]

the fixate ones

[runic bough]

You mean the battery adds yeah

[latent oak]

he menas

[runic bough]

Yeah got it

You'll have to hold if your targeted

[upbeat tundra]

even when you arent

[runic bough]

Because it's such a great ability we have to hold it

[upbeat tundra]

worst .5 ever

[runic bough]

So

I was wondering

If u have 10 haste you can play HO right

But if you put 1 point into surprise now you can grab kir

Another hybrid build option

Like that dude taking audacity and kir

[desert tendon]

bro is cooking

way too much

@vivid vessel @proven ocean

[glass mortar]

if by hold you mean vanish as soon as the ads fixate and pray ur other melee react fast enough

😏

[runic bough]

I remember that mechanic from grimbatol

The dragon boss adds same thing

Flushies told me not to vanish I was killing the team

Flushies help me learn that mech

Also the bombs in motherlode same thing

Before last boss

Is there still a boss in m+ that instant death if we use ks?

[raven condor]

he's given up 😦

[twilit nest]

ffs

what the fuck will blizzard do about people running around with flarendo mount?

im salty and pissed i didnt get to exploit and abuse

[desert tendon]

well

as we talked yersteday

we never saw blizzard deleting mounts from people collections

only banning them permanently

used to happen a lot with glad mounts

so u can assume people will keep flarendo

[covert kestrel]

earn it the intended way and enjoy a moral victory over those exploiting peasants

[polar niche]

so wox officialy dropped outlaw :S

[torpid fiber]

Eh, fair enough
They made mdi right? So I think no one can criticise him for wanting to take it gigaserious

[runic bough]

Outlaw is not serious spec

Just fun spec (if you don't use ks)

[torpid fiber]

u gotta take the weights off after training for weighted training to be giga

[twilit nest]

insane

[whole patrol]

So I have the mace off Gally and the Crowd favorite fist weapon. Should I try for Capo's?

[twilit nest]

ggs

[tight kernel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[desert tendon]

think about people who could prog some pull at 18% damage buff apparently

[whole patrol]

And does it matter which hand i use the gally mace in?

[runic bough]

Sim usually says which hand goes where

[stuck timber]

Guys should I use kir or ho in raid, I've been playing kir in mythic+ and I got 94-95 parse last week but in raid I used ho with fatebound and did so little damage can you give me tips?

[glass mortar]

kir vs ho is personal pref at this point

in most cases

in raid anytime u will be doing BF damage and u wont die to it, u want to play trickster as its just more dps

u can play HO or kir for trickster

on pure ST fatebound can be equal to trickster but only the kir build, the HO build is behind

[stuck timber]

What talents should I take if I want to play kir trickster single target? Only builds I found are fatebound ho raid builds and I felt wrong not using killing spree so I prefer to play kir trickster if u say they are equal

[gaunt phoenix]

#1276306011296366745 message

[stuck timber]

Thank you very much guys

[civic zephyr]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hasty warren]

finaly 3k

[bright crane]

Mugzee getting more attention in 1 day than ol all xpac

[hasty warren]

ol exist ?

[bright crane]

depends who u ask i guess

[hasty warren]

for blizzar 0%

[bright crane]

It’s a philosophical question really

[late swallow]

What is the true nature of the piss that’s stored in the balls?

[covert kestrel]

Schrödingers piss

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-gif-10218431

we did it boys. too bad im on my mage lool

have the entire raid whispering me rn

[covert kestrel]

1m ez

[bright crane]

ive had 2m gold for 3 years now

having 3m gold will not make a diff in my life

id legit rather just keep it

[proven ocean]

good nerf/buff? i guess?

[fading nymph]

Fuck killing spree

[bright crane]

apparently the 1st nerf actually buffed the boss

something about needing to stop dps idk

[peak dock]

We won!!! fuck your weakauras zac!!!
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X · Apr 23, 2025, 11:24 PM

[desert tendon]

where muh rogues buffs

[shut lichen]

In 12.1.5

[raven condor]

WoW 2.0 more likely

12.5 "buff" will make dispatch function like ks

[shut lichen]

Ur lucky if rogue is even a spec then

[desert tendon]

trust me

when wow 2 comes out

no way i m picking a melee class

[shut lichen]

What's stopping you now?

[proven ocean]

shadowdance+rtb

lmao

these devs are fried

[shut lichen]

Leaked rogue changes?

[proven ocean]

nah thats the old buff

[desert tendon]

yea our enhance used personnal display for his ressrouces

[proven ocean]

we had shadowdance few patches ago

[desert tendon]

tonight he wasnt able to track his wolves and lava stacks and all

he was legit doomed

zero have u seen

[proven ocean]

well

whoever is using default shit

[desert tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Nt27ida8kE&pp=ygUNZGggYXJlIGJyb2tlbg%3D%3D

[proven ocean]

is always gonna be doomed

cuz

[desert tendon]

new patch

=

[split lintel]

has timewalking windscar whetstone been considered for a on use trinket? it does a good bit of on use damage for 606

[desert tendon]

havoc being broken again

they really have the same dev than rogue no cap

[proven ocean]

so they need 3-4 weeks

to be able to do last week's dps?

[desert tendon]

nah

it happens to them every single patch

needs like 2 or 3 days

[proven ocean]

idk why ur talking about it like its ok

lol

"nah its ok it happens all the time "

[desert tendon]

oh no it s not ok at all

but it s blizzard

am i suprised?

we had 2 fated seasons where the 3 first days of the season BF was doing 90% less than intended damage in raid

for fun

nothing suprising nowadays

[shut lichen]

Yes zeross

I was making a joke

[raven condor]

Imagine the light speed fix they'd patch in if it gave us extra damage LMAO

[shut lichen]

[desert tendon]

maybe double coup works again

go try dont tell anyone

[proven ocean]

sec im trying to buy some coffee beans censi

[celest cobalt]

!wa

[proven ocean]

stop typing

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[desert tendon]

stfu i type as much as i want at least i dont press enter every 2 vowels

[raven condor]

IDK what you're talking about it definitely does not work

[celest cobalt]

does anyone have the wa for how many targets are within BF range? i used to have it, cant find it meow

[desert tendon]

i gotcha

hold on

[proven ocean]

why are these beans so expensive

wtf

1 cup of coffee for 150$

huh

is this bean gonna make me awake for the rest of my life or what

wtf

[desert tendon]

Redbulls bean

[twilit nest]

yhea i've updated my profile picture to better depict how I look and feel in real life

thank you for the understanding

[desert tendon]

i dont remember anyone asking

[twilit nest]

😔

[desert tendon]

Anyways, not more funnies, time to bed. Bring back acro

[shut lichen]

Wtf are you trying to drink? Coffee made from pegasus poop?

[twilit nest]

good night censir

[desert tendon]

it s zero

dude buy diamond beans

to infuse in his coffee

[shut lichen]

Gucci beans

[desert tendon]

lmao

imagine having gucci logo stamped on every single bean

[proven ocean]

what do u think censi

i buy or

[desert tendon]

buy me some

i ll test for you and i ll tell ya how it feels

and if it s worth it

ok?

[proven ocean]

those arent that expensive

like

20$

[shut lichen]

I buy instant $2 coffee that tastes like burning motor oil

The good stuff is a luxury

[proven ocean]

well this is cheaper

cuz

like

20$ for like

15 cups

or something

10-15

and tastes 10/10

[desert tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-need-coffee-gif-5803308545565389362

[proven ocean]

but u have to pay for the grinder+kettle and all of the shit beforehand

[desert tendon]

why does it looks like zero but with redbull

[proven ocean]

once u buy everything

beans become really good and cheap

[shut lichen]

Ah it's the DIY french press stuff

[proven ocean]

u mean french press?

nah

[desert tendon]

fking frenchies again

[proven ocean]

well sort of

but

[desert tendon]

we hate frenchies

i m not french anymore

[proven ocean]

v60 is just nicer

for me

[desert tendon]

well nightnight

[shut lichen]

Don't think I've ever indulged in a v60 drip b4

Does it taste better that way?

[twilit nest]

have you ever heard about hash rosin pressed?

[proven ocean]

well if u want to taste flavors more

its better

you can get some of the flavors out with a v60

but it is also harder to master than a lets say kalita

kalita is way easier to do because the water that goes through the beans is easily evenly distributed

so you wont fuck it up that hard most of the time

but

it'll be way easier and way less flavory i guess

v60 is just a really good baseline for filter coffee imo

best filter

like

if u have a super expensive grinder

and u make v60, u got some good water for the v60 (you need to research which type of water) and the chemicals inside of it etc

and some good beans ur prob gonna have the best time of ur life

[proven ocean]

no

whats that?

[shut lichen]

Zeross is a coffee connoisseur

[proven ocean]

fun fact

u dont stir an espresso in a circle motion

u stir it up and down only

[shut lichen]

Really?

to not mess up the flavor or something I'm guessing

[proven ocean]

yeah, beacuse some of the layers of an espresso dont fully mix out well

so u have to stir it up and down

i kinda learned that from an italian friend

also, they dont drink milk based coffee in the afternoon in italy, so if u ever go to italy and order a cappucino at the afternoon ur probably gonna hear some words

[split lintel]

this damage a bug?

[proven ocean]

wait

what

where

did u get that

[split lintel]

court of stars timewalking

[proven ocean]

is it un capped

[shut lichen]

I'll probably hear some words for other reasons but yeah I'll remember that

[proven ocean]

ah

that one

ye its capped

[shut lichen]

Whetstone my beloved

[proven ocean]

only order espresso in the afternoon

nothing milk based

but if u do its prob fine since they'll know ur not from italy

its probably like ordering a pizza and asking for ketchup

[shut lichen]

That sounds illegal

[proven ocean]

ye i mean i've seen many reels on ppl asking for ketchup

they just straight up decline the customer

based ngl

[twilit nest]

its a very specific concentrate form of weed

[proven ocean]

thought it was like some new way of making coccee

coffee*

[twilit nest]

yhea im cooked my bad

[glass mortar]

baked more likely

[hollow portal]

XDD

[analog fog]

Haha

[keen belfry]

@gentle geyser

[gentle geyser]

LOL

the key bricked tho...

pepis is sorry mr routlaw...

[slow birch]

I agreed with the post

[runic bough]

yo

why is

perfect fatebound just not doing wacky trickster dps

sadge

im kinda getting it tho

no mugzee wep but got gally heroic nice

i like HO trickster more than kir

[mild vigil]

hey this is probably a dumb question, but you know how the audacity proc ambush can proc multiple times, are you supposed to do any kind of weird macro stuff to have that work while in subterfuge windows as well, or is that not possible

[dense wyvern]

Is 73% uptime on AR a good duration?

[quaint wharf]

whats that one haste command

!haste

[ornate heath]

Total stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush lowers your GCD based on it, down to 0.8s at 25% haste.

The KIR build wants 18-20% haste from rating, because its only haste buff is from Alacrity.

The HO build meets this requirement with 8-10% haste from rating because of Take 'em by Surprise, but the new HO + Supercharger build continues to like Haste just because of energy, so you will have to sim. Your sim may settle for KIR-levels of haste (~18%) or slightly lower.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use.
You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[quaint wharf]

huge

[frail veldt]

its kinda low

you can think of adr uptime like a grade in school

A for 90+, B for 80-90, C for 70-80

[dense wyvern]

ya thought so, how do you get it higher im kinda lsot on how to extend it

hold vanish till AR not active?

or is it extended by RTB or something

[fathom bramble]

basically every part of the rotation contributes to maintaining AR

you want to only vanish with AR active

it's just about generating enough cooldown reduction by spending combo points to get AR back before you've lost it

plus extending it with vanish

[dense wyvern]

ah ok i think i get it

so its kind aup to RNG also but you want to fish for CB reduction

[fathom bramble]

you don't fish for true bearing really

[dense wyvern]

oh i had 97% on Cauldron

[fathom bramble]

you just get enough in the core rotation to get AR back while playing well assuming you don't have bad luck

like low AR uptime tells you something went wrong somewhere

but there's not 1 thing you can focus on to fix it since it ties into basically the entire rotation

[dense wyvern]

ay ok i only looked at 1 fight and it was 73

like other fights was up in the 80-98 area

guess depends on not having to doing mechanics or wahtnot lol

stix i had 73

[fathom bramble]

yeah mechanics can hurt you a lot if you don't get lucky or outgame it

like if you haven't had a ball yet and the balls are soon maybe don't cast AR yet

[dense wyvern]

but i was running around getting crabs and ball rolling

[fathom bramble]

for example

[gaunt phoenix]

Love when stix fucks off in the sky for 12 seconds

[fathom bramble]

yeah very cool

if there's no hot garbage up you can vanish during that to preserve AR

[dense wyvern]

got it

[fathom bramble]

there should be zero if no one has lit one

but someone always does

[quaint wharf]

me when rik goes immune for however long

[past sky]

what are some cool uses of evasion in the current M+ pool? ive been trying it out on stuff without much success, like the hand slap attack that stuns you on the big guys in cleft

[magic shuttle]

Minigun on last boss of Motherload can be evasioned

[past sky]

also is meadery just a bad dungeon for us? i really feel my target cap at +10 there compared to the other ppl i run with

[hushed raven]

you can evasion brews on first boss cinderbrew as well as the hopgoblin charges

[past sky]

oh cool those are good ones

[vapid sundial]

Is that necessarily cool tho?

I was running through that in 15s on my sham go ignore it

1 tick ain't no worry

[magic shuttle]

Yeah, you can rotate alongside the gun and look cool

[vapid sundial]

[magic shuttle]

It can help with a mispositionined killing spree

[past sky]

also i try not to be a downer about anything but killing spree is just... why do we have to risk our life to do damage!

its like a mini-game of anticipation vs using it efficiently, like if it ends right as ground aoes go off you die so i find myself holding it more than is probably necessary

still learning the packs i guess

[cinder relic]

Cinderbrew is a bad outlaw dungeon tho

[past sky]

it seems pretty bad on 3rd boss in cleft too, i got stunned every time i used it on one fight

[magic shuttle]

You can use low cp ks or time to use it instantly after candle piles get destroyed and new ones appear.

[vivid vessel]

Which dungeon is a good outlaw dungeon remind me

[past sky]

theater is pretty good?

i guess all the running between areas is bad

i never thought about using low cp KS

always try to send it with max

[vivid vessel]

It's ok although you are useless on the 2 hardest pack of the dungeon, and it still not a good outlaw dungeon since so much downtime break our momentum

Specially kir

[past sky]

motherlode has pretty low downtime but some of the packs can be big

[vivid vessel]

I think the dungeon is borderline impossible without a Boomie/dh and big aoe blasters to compensate you doing negative damage on these 2 packs for example

That requires lot of kicks and since it doesn't die

[haughty wigeon]

Top

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw isn't even the best rogue spec in theatre btw

[haughty wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

Memes aside

[vivid vessel]

Just as a fun fact

[turbid ledge]

I would imagine rookery is okay for outlaw? I've not played it this season as it started to annoy the hell out of me

[haughty wigeon]

I would imagine dungeons with mobs under 8 would be good outlaw dungeons

Sucks it’s not tuned to be a choice

[vivid vessel]

You would imagine

But also it's delusional to think even theater is like that

[haughty wigeon]

Ghost hallway

[vivid vessel]

When you end up with half the pulls being just normal pulls

[haughty wigeon]

Unless I’m mistaken

[vivid vessel]

Maybe workshop?

Most pulls are small in workshop right

Surely outlaw is good

[haughty wigeon]

What pulls in top is more than 8

All I can think about is ghost hallway

[vivid vessel]

And workshop isn't the worse outlaw dungeon right

[haughty wigeon]

Workshop first room

Is huge

[opal raven]

First boss workshop juicy as outlaw too

[haughty wigeon]

Any dungeon with majority under 8 pulls is designed solid for outlaw I guess

[vivid vessel]

Ghost hallway, first pack from gorechop, then second pack, then when you pull the ghost area it's like 8 targets when you do double/ triple packs

[haughty wigeon]

Wish it was uncapped

[vivid vessel]

I'm telling you the opposite tho so

Workshop is legit terrible for outlaw and there is one pack above target cap

[haughty wigeon]

Ya but that’s cause outlaw is tuned like a foot

[vivid vessel]

Maybev

[haughty wigeon]

And killing spree kills you

[vivid vessel]

Maybe

[ebon reef]

that 100 parse wipe is still haunting me after 12 hours

[haughty wigeon]

That’s also kinda silly logic

X dungeon isn’t a affliction warlock dungeon cause affliction warlock is tuned like aids

Ya it would be nice if outlaw was competitive viable

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw is better on other dungeons than workshop is my point bro

No amount of tuning will change this

[haughty wigeon]

But it needs to be tuned, uncapped and fixed in fundamentals to be a solid spec

Cause killing spree sucks balls

[ebon reef]

mentioning that, which dungeons best accomodate the 8 target cap

[haughty wigeon]

And I love killing spree btw

[vivid vessel]

Workshop

[ebon reef]

so far i think rookery is good

[fiery timber]

We Love and hate it tbh

[ebon reef]

besides the civillians on the last 2 bosses i dont think theres any pulls with more than 8 targets

or drastically more than 8 like brew

[vivid vessel]

Ye that's true

Doesn't make it a good outlaw dungeon tbf

[haughty wigeon]

Uncap outlaw

[vivid vessel]

I think priory and flood are better for example

[haughty wigeon]

Why is it the only a

[fluid meadow]

100 vs 41 outlaw is just soo good

[haughty wigeon]

Spec with a hard cap

[ebon reef]

oh why so?

[vivid vessel]

Even tho they are uncapped dungeon s

[ebon reef]

i feel like my dmg in priory is trash

[vivid vessel]

The flow of the dungeon is better

Outlaw really like chain pulling

Big packs into big packs

"big"

[ebon reef]

my tanks dont like me

they gotta keep checking my spec to see if they should chain pull

[vivid vessel]

Like the best outlaw dungeon is probably a dungeon where you Perma pull 6 mobs all the time

Without close to 0 downtime

[ebon reef]

...brew?

[vivid vessel]

Brew is a terrible outlaw dungeon

Nice try tho

[ebon reef]

yeah but dont you always pull atl east 6 mobs

if not more

[vivid vessel]

You do chain pull a bit but there is a lot of downtime as well

And too many mobs that are important

And you can't ks first boss

And you can't do damage first area

[ebon reef]

you mean cause of the moving swirlies?

[vivid vessel]

Yes

Even if the tank tries to help you it's such a DPS looss

[ebon reef]

i somehow dont have much problems with it

i ask them beforehand to pull it a bit further

can you even immune it?

[vivid vessel]

I don't think so

[vivid vessel]

Idk he still takes time to move

You are delaying ks quite a bit even when they help

[ebon reef]

ill try it next time

it does physical damage

if not ill just resort to WtS clearing

[ebon reef]

doesnt he start jogging after the first keg smash?

[grim spear]

is circlet no longer good even in st fights?

[dark steeple]

guys is outlaw #1 yet

[ebon reef]

maybe next year

[dark steeple]

shit game

[rotund zodiac]

[hybrid path]

heya lads quick question, I've seen that KiR is performing better in raid. The thing is, with haste flask i reach 18,48% haste. Is it enough to go KiR and not be a trashcan? or should i stick with vers flask and keep playing trickster HO build?

[frail veldt]

KiR isnt really performing better in raid

HO SC Trickster is just about the same

[vivid vessel]

i was wondering why i did so bad damage on sproket

[frail veldt]

and if you dont have the haste req and you arent playing KiR very well it will perform worse

[vivid vessel]

why is every r1 kir then

[frail veldt]

lol r1 aint the whole story

[vivid vessel]

it was just a joke

we yokinh

[frail veldt]

only yokes

[vivid vessel]

idk how to parse on first boss

i think this tier

that will be my nemesis

i got r1 on every boss at least once

but not first boss

too hard

and its not even close

[remote pecan]

parse on vexie is all kill timer tbh

[vivid vessel]

Maybe I'm too fast

We don't get the second phase

idk

i think no one does ?

[remote pecan]

neither do we but we get an awkward kill between phases but too long after the first so i lose like 500k dps before kill

[vivid vessel]

5min kill timer

But I'm looking at logs and

Most are 5 min anyway

Which I think end up before or right when you phase doesn't it

Idk I don't really get it

Even if I look at boss damage in not good on first boss

[ebon reef]

surely this is enough

[vivid vessel]

Ye xd

[brisk spear]

5 mins is 2 phases usually

[vivid vessel]

That's not even enough for ho cuh

[vivid vessel]

I didnt get 2 phases on mine and it's like 4 50

Are you sure

[ebon reef]

surely itll be enough

[brisk spear]

Then your raid is omega slacking on bikes holy

[jolly geyser]

Lazy bikers?

[ebon reef]

i have some haste gear but ill forget to switch it back when i respec

[ebon reef]

dont you get like a soft enrage

if you dont bring down the plates

[vivid vessel]

What really?

[brisk spear]

Yea but you can edge the bikes quite long

[vivid vessel]

Ah nvm you are right

Second phase is supposed to be at 4 30

And we don't get one

[ebon reef]

idk we kinda wipe on the 2nd aoe hit if we delay bikes

[vivid vessel]

Maybe w just suck at bikes and that's why I always do bad on that boss

[brisk spear]

Yes

Blame your raid

[ebon reef]

less repair adds = less cleave = less dps

[vivid vessel]

ye..

oh well

we plated i guess

next week for sure

[ebon reef]

too many hungry dpses

not even healers

kek

[vivid vessel]

imma be soaking from now on

mb gang

[proven ocean]

Hi Zac

I’m going back to sleep

Ok

[vivid vessel]

ok

[proven ocean]

Ok

[winter nacelle]

do we just ks on cd, my overall for keys is terrible and idk why

2.8m in a 12 priory

[rotund zodiac]

I have a question, if RTB buffs are about to fall off but your next rotation is KS; do you

• RtB>KS ( this make KS longer)
• KS>RTB

[quaint wharf]

i feel like its situational depending on mob/boss

ive definitly gotten cucked by a sc KS but probably wouldve lived with a shorter ks duration

[vivid vessel]

depends when you get rtb

and waht you can build up with

and what your situation is

if i get rtb back right before a finisher (or like i have one builder (bf/adr/ps)) to get up to max, i wont supercharge ks usually

as long as you dont proc cto its not as bad

supercharge ks can be quite desatrous sometiems in m+

well if its safe its fine tho

[rotund zodiac]

Ty kings, I’ll practice more