outlaw

[keen belfry]

wanna know whats better

blink

[late swallow]

blink is goated

[vivid vessel]

Also fuck the guy that deleted acro

[late swallow]

WW mobility is tight af too

[keen belfry]

blink is goated with the sticks

[late swallow]

dragon kick and roll

you get a sick nasty teleport too

[bright crane]

That roll is pretty cool

[honest sparrow]

the plunderstorm mobility/dmg spell feels terrible tho in my opinion on ww

[covert kestrel]

ww is fun, i have enjoyed it this tier

[late swallow]

Killing Spree should be a channel

or an empower spell

[vivid vessel]

Oh wait

Is that played in raid

Is that a empowered shit

[gaunt phoenix]

Never type this again

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/blocked-message-gif-21998755

[vivid vessel]

Blocked

If rogue ever get an empowered spell

[late swallow]

what would be the absolute worst change they could make to Killing Spree

[vivid vessel]

I think I'm getting banned from here

I'm sorry guys

[honest sparrow]

Pretty sure yes to both but i dont know if you play it on every boss

[gaunt phoenix]

ye ur blocked cause you type about gooning and shit while im at work

[late swallow]

i honestly think empowered KS is the worst thing they could do

[late swallow]

bro can't hang with a bit of light banter

hate to see it

[covert kestrel]

meh you just tap it twice and watch your feet, 100x better than ks

[vivid vessel]

Bro

I don't wanna empower a spell

God

Help me

[honest sparrow]

Its alright but it feels so different then the rest of the spells but i didnt play ww much this season

[bright crane]

Is empowering a spell w/e it is that evoker does?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

[late swallow]

yeah

[bright crane]

Where you hold a key down

that is certified WHACK

[vivid vessel]

Ok vault time

[mighty pivot]

make it the only combo point generator of outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Mugzee weapon for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

ye keep that shit contained to evoker

[late swallow]

monk is the only other class with I think

they added a weird cast to warrior with demolish

[vivid vessel]

imagine you are the guy that created evokers

you made aug

and empowered spells

nah bro

[late swallow]

melee really shouldn't have casts

that shit is cringe

[vivid vessel]

i wouldnt even put that on my resume if i was forced

[ancient cobalt]

slicing winds is kinda cool as fuck though…

[vestal notch]

Adding a new caster to wow only to be a 1 spell rotation or aug

[vivid vessel]

"sorry i didnt work at blizzard, was unemployed for a year"

[ancient cobalt]

imo…

[late swallow]

do all the CS nerds in here put their APL contributions on their resume btw

[daring vessel]

Hello, i have a question for outlaw rogue, do we use totr?

[late swallow]

asking unironically

[vivid vessel]

no lol\

apl isnt even code bozo

[gaunt phoenix]

i talked about simc in a job interview once

LOL

[vivid vessel]

its playing with poop

ye if you do simc stuffs

[late swallow]

unironically super cool imo

[ancient cobalt]

i lead a group of special needs individuals to help them achieve their goals

[tight kernel]

Honey buzzer trinket is suicide in sprocket m prog right?

[late swallow]

they prolly thought it was neat that you're working on personal projects like that

thanks for sharing, Solo!

[vivid vessel]

thanks for sharing, Solo!

[surreal flower]

Ya but you can get a good laugh out of it once or twice

[honest sparrow]

The job interview to my first job i talked with the guy the whole time about a bot i made for a different game he was later my boss and a extremly nice dude

[late swallow]

what is TOTR?

[gaunt phoenix]

Trick of the Rtrade

[daring vessel]

okok

[late swallow]

that was my first thought, but I'm not sure what Ruba is asking

[gaunt phoenix]

me neither

[late swallow]

if it's Tricks, then yeah we use it

[fallen knot]

how can i know if the algari +0.15% crit effect is even worth on my spec?

yes i need to sim

but

[gaunt phoenix]

for outlaw the answer is yes

[fallen knot]

i cant sim fucking 50million

ok

[late swallow]

bro doesn't have the 50usd/month raidbots sub

not gonna make it

[fallen knot]

but i'm enha

[gaunt phoenix]

just run these

every time

[fallen knot]

ok

but like

[hasty warren]

I've a weird bug caused by an addon on the today patch where I can't click to move camera or interract with things on the screen like the vault or mail box, do u have any idea what addon cause this ?

[gaunt phoenix]

that's opie

i think

you use it?

[hasty warren]

yu

[gaunt phoenix]

its fucked

idk if there was an update since

[hasty warren]

It's since today update for me

[vivid vessel]

broi

[hasty warren]

ok it was opie

[vivid vessel]

no way i throw away a second vault in a row

i have litteraly 0 gear

???

wtf is happening

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[fiery timber]

crit/vers wep

[hasty warren]

ty solo

uwu

[gaunt phoenix]

why did they make that trinket absolute dog ass

stormrook

[viscid forge]

What build recomend for raid fatebound or trickster?

[vivid vessel]

bro im so mad

[hasty warren]

it was broken first weeks for some classes

[fiery timber]

do u have weapons

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster for most bosses cause trickster is way ahead any time AoE / blade flurry damage is involved

[vivid vessel]

i have 0 gear

idk how i can take socket 2 vaults in a row man

this is so shit

i hate wow

[fiery timber]

wait u replaced isle ring

[hasty warren]

next week is the one zac dw

[fiery timber]

isnt bis till next season

[fallen knot]

got zero answers in shaman discord

[gaunt phoenix]

on pure single target like Sprocket you can technically choose HO Trickster vs KIR Fatebound

HO Trickster is still standard cause it is easy and close

KIR Fatebound can win in theory, also Mythic sprocket you cant use killing spree so xd

[fallen knot]

got my answer on icy veins

go fill with haste mastery or mastery haste

ez

[late swallow]

plume or radio angle?

[vivid vessel]

????

socket dude

its litteraly a socket

2nd week in a row

sockets are worth 0.2%

[late swallow]

surely plume

[vivid vessel]

plume what

[late swallow]

sick flavor

[vivid vessel]

nah man i legit cant believe it

thats wild

[late swallow]

all jokes aside I'm sorry man

that shit is doodoo

[severe charm]

is hoc good for outlaw?

[gaunt phoenix]

its fine in aoe

[royal crane]

Azeroks beating heart and footbomb championship ring, I should have done more keys

[fallen knot]

i got the best loot from vault on dk btw

the +1 luck ring

[severe charm]

i've had plume in my vault every week xept this week, this week i got 3x mechanics boots -.-

[fallen knot]

and i'm nelf

infinite frontflips

i'm switching main

[royal crane]

I might have to go ass or sub so I can use this shit

[whole patrol]

So I played outlaw for a fight, and its really not as bad as I thought lol. Though i do have to swap some spells around on my bars to make them easier to press

[candid locust]

did they fix the rep bug?

[whole patrol]

And I can almost swap to a keep it rolling build😂

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[cinder relic]

🤏

[waxen scarab]

well they better fix this shit

cuz its so cringe

[subtle field]

why are you playing a mastery trinket? thought mastery was pretty bad on outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

hoc is fine in aoe

especially as kir

mastery is bad compared to vers

but a massive mastery buff is not bad compared to other aoe trinkets

[late swallow]

678 HoC is for the clout

[hasty warren]

still good dps upgrade on aoe

[severe charm]

@candid locust rep bug was hot fixed around 10pm last night on NA was mid raid and got slapped with no bonus for a few hours

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[subtle field]

is it good to play on stix? I have a heroic one

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so

it would be good where deft maneuvers is good

i dont think deft gets much value on stix

[subtle field]

and how does deft and mastery work together?

[gaunt phoenix]

the blade flurry cast can proc main gauche on several targets at once

instead of normal abilities being 1 potential proc per cast

it's not op, mastery is still bad per se

but it has some influence

blade rush also does this if we ever use that again

[surreal flower]

@vivid vessel 4 heal or 5 heal mugzee reclear

[vivid vessel]

2 heals

[surreal flower]

There’s only a few public logs of 4 heal

[vivid vessel]

skip first set of bombs

[surreal flower]

4 heal gotta be the wave

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

bro

fuck you

[frank finch]

LOL

[late swallow]

ross let's get a gear check

[vivid vessel]

I bought boe boots instead

so i would still get something

[gaunt phoenix]

you get to craft wrists ig

[quiet root]

I have myth honeybuzzer, hero pacemaker, hero vers/haste belt equipped
my vault is myth signet or myth vers/crit socket belt
this is my dslice sim. would you guys think it's worth the hassle of playing buzzer + signet for this dps difference?

[opal raven]

no dont take it its simbait trash trinket

[gaunt phoenix]

signet?

they already use honey buzzer

[quiet root]

yeah sadly it was my only reasonable choice last week

so i'm stuck with the buzzer

[gaunt phoenix]

signet is good in aoe but idk depends how you pull

though not like heroic pacemaker is particularly notable either

[tight kernel]

How much of a dps loss is it to not use KS at all for a fight

[gaunt phoenix]

as trickster? like >15%

[tight kernel]

yea

[gaunt phoenix]

you would rather send KS at low cps

[late swallow]

bro is on sprocket I can feel it

just play fatebound for sprocket

[tight kernel]

yea sadly

[gaunt phoenix]

mythic sprocket you go fatebound

[proven ocean]

btw

wtf is this data from wowhead

are they getting it from +10 keys or what

ToP is like

one of the easiest keys this season

priory the hardest

[gaunt phoenix]

its raider.io

just completion rate across all key levels

https://raider.io/stats/mythic-plus-runs?scope=last-reset&season=season-tww-2&groupBy=dungeon

you can change the key level

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert tendon]

[gaunt phoenix]

i would go belt if you have some chance of getting mythic magnet or geargrinder

[desert tendon]

teathre as a time issue

because they play uh boomie fire mage

i m looking at their single target rn in pug

gg

[quiet root]

maybe with the cartel chips, but otherwise it's only m+ loot for me

[runic bough]

Guys

7cp supercharged ks lasts one hour

By the time it's over the fight is done

[gaunt phoenix]

prob go signet then cause i think it is strictly better than H pacemaker

[surreal flower]

If you go into torghast and get that power that makes your ER empowered spells count as 20 cp and hit a killing spree, how long do you think you’d be stuck in it for

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be 0.4s per cp, then hasted in a way where 100% haste is 50% faster (0.2s)

[sharp sand]

How can you go from a 75 parse average to 90+ ? What’s the biggest area of improvement

[gaunt phoenix]

well some parses are a mix of skill, gear, luck, and how good your guild is

On a fight like cauldron or sprocket where you just afk hit buttons then guild doesnt matter ofc

!commonerrors

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[gaunt phoenix]

these are common errors in the rotation hopefully

but also just maintaining uptime as melee tends to be a problem for some ppl

On heroic there's little reason to miss a global like ever

i can probably write a complete log review guide for HO since it is fairly straightforward to check for early finishers, builder priority, rtb usage

You cant see the cooldown on killing spree though so the vanish rule is impossible to check

[quiet root]

alright thanks for your input

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

thought on blizzard own ui

not using

[gaunt phoenix]

lol

[vivid vessel]

"blizzard cooldown reduction"

[jolly geyser]

Pog 1573sec ar

[desert tendon]

1573 s

[waxen scarab]

please pin if they bring back old ui

cuz this shit is so cringe

[vivid vessel]

use weak auras

please on god

[waxen scarab]

anything u recommend?

[heavy shadow]

Any thoughts on taking mythic track Pacemaker from vault? I currently have HC Geargrinder and Eye of Kezan / Signet of Priory. HO Trickster if it matters. Sadly didn't sim well even max mythic.

[vivid vessel]

antyhing is better than blizzard ui

[patent mirage]

the cd manager is a step but a step not enough

[vivid vessel]

its giga trash rn

[patent mirage]

they should have waited before releasing it

and polish it more

[cold jewel]

do you guys want to see something tragic

[gaunt phoenix]

Pacemaker should be similar to Signet in theory

perhaps depends on how much crit you already have

[cold jewel]

last pull of the night with a person dc'd for ~1min during the fight

[gaunt phoenix]

for me signet and pacemaker sim like the same and i have like 11000 crit tho which is too much

[gaunt phoenix]

[heavy shadow]

Probably just stick with Signet for most then, unless it's one with chain pulling and maybe use Kezan then

[tight kernel]

yeah got pretty lucky on cauld, enjoying the top parse until zac dethrones me

[gaunt phoenix]

gamer

[tight kernel]

I say top parse, but literally just day 1 of new patch no much competition lol

[jade abyss]

you did great, gz for rank 1!

[surreal flower]

At least the fight is easy enough to get back there consistently

[gaunt phoenix]

at the same ilvl they both sim the same for me tho

whether its st or slice or sustain aoe

so i would think an M pacemaker is strictly better than H signet

[timber knoll]

i had so much fun playing outlaw this season then they nerfed us now i dont wanna play the season at all what do i do

[gaunt phoenix]

play oblivion'

[sharp sand]

I think I don’t get as many KS casts as I ought to. Mostly out of fear of losing AR so I vanish too soon then I have KS off CD but I’m in subterfuge casting BtE

Or I’m avoiding mechanics so I’m afraid to KS and I hold it

[gaunt phoenix]

KS you either have to be fearless or send at low cp

think holding KS can quickly spiral into a bad time

on heroic there is not much that disrupts ks tho

just like cauldron beam and bandit coins

gally is a bit risky too

[sharp sand]

Is there an optimal WA for RTB? I have one that blows a horn at me but it doesn’t seem like it is very smart. I could have a 5 buff for 5+ more seconds and it’s telling me to roll.

[gaunt phoenix]

i just watch my rolls

dont have a weakaura to tell me how to roll

[sharp sand]

So I better just learn how to roll good. 👍

[gaunt phoenix]

HO rule is quite simple at least

[sharp sand]

I’d be happy if somebody would scrutinize my logs and tell me where I could improve

[gaunt phoenix]

!log @sharp sand

[heavy shadow]

I had basically the same questions last night and after some self analysis my issue was AR not being up for too long, still working on it mind, but it's improved my deeps being more concious of extending it with vanish better

[gaunt phoenix]

put it in here

[frail veldt]

tbh I wouldnt trust any rtb weak aura unless you made it yourself

[sharp sand]

Mewogue is that you?

[frail veldt]

thats surprising, ive been farming floodgate to try to get that trinket but maybe i shouldnt

[frail veldt]

ye it me

welcome

[sharp sand]

Pro 😜

[frail veldt]

btw you can grab the rtb weak aura from zacs group which makes it very eays to track your rtb buffs

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fallow hinge]

zac's rtb wa is fr the best one out there

so clean

[frail veldt]

Its like the only one that tracks container logic afaik

[fallow hinge]

I think the one that goes "Awesome!" might do it too

but that one's got too much baggage

[frail veldt]

hahahaha that one adds so much lag

fucking bouncing icons and shit

like a damn casino machine

maybe that was the point lol

[fallow hinge]

I mean, it's on theme

[sharp sand]

I’ll have to try. I haven’t successfully navigated adding WAs to my play experience. All I have is the dopey one that blows a horn at me for RTB expiration and Blade flurry

Whenever I download a pack I am overwhelmed with the sheer amount and am not familiar at cherry picking what I like

[fallow hinge]

that's why I always make my own unless there's some real specific lua I don't know yet like with Zac's rtb one

[jade abyss]

"Bubbling Wax is slightly ahead single target but you can only use one, they don't stack properly."

Is this still true or outdated?

[sharp sand]

Well I haven’t went down the road of figuring out how to make my own either . Seems complicated

[fallow hinge]

seems it, isn't really.

[normal zealot]

Yeah the bouncing one was helpful when I was first learning outlaw, now Im addicted to the sound horn

[fallow hinge]

then again, I'm a programmer, so maybe that's unintended affinity

[hidden bay]

@vivid vessel i had to afk and cba scrolling. was mugzee weapon obtained?

[vivid vessel]

man

dont

second week in a row i have to take a socket

[hidden bay]

F dude

[vivid vessel]

and my gear is trash

i bought a boe

instead

so i still got dopamine this week

[hidden bay]

wait do i lowkey have better gear being 4/8

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[hidden bay]

nvm i dont think so

[vivid vessel]

I'm the lowest Ilvl in my guild btw

[hybrid crown]

What is that neck

[vivid vessel]

Most people that are 8/8 are closer to 675 that the shit I am rn

[hidden bay]

why you using mugzee trinket tho

[vivid vessel]

Delve

[hidden bay]

surely geargrinder myth is better no?

[vivid vessel]

I don't have that first off

[hidden bay]

oh

i thought its impossible not to have that but maybe we just got (un)lucky

[vivid vessel]

It's fine

I'm getting mug weapon during reclear

Right

[hidden bay]

meh we gonna have dinars soon probably and you can get mug weapon

[vivid vessel]

( we are rolling items I'm not)

[hidden bay]

bro imagine rolling items on farm

loot counceling till literally last day of tier here

[cold jewel]

just as consistent as the dc's we were getting last night ye

(^:

passing that shit around like hot potato

[tight kernel]

@hidden bay still holding out hope for ks rework?

[hidden bay]

for sure yeah

thing is

this .5 is literally the fakest patch we have ever had

so the actual patch is coming with visions imo

and possibly a class change or two then

[tight kernel]

How do you want the KS change to look

[hidden bay]

make it not shit

[tight kernel]

true and real

[hidden bay]

either im immune while using it

or im not teleporting

[tight kernel]

SL KS was chill

[hidden bay]

but they will 100% fuckup immune and you will die to random bugged non immunable things

so id rather they do the 2 minute change wox showed

ofc my hopium is kinda negated by the fact they probably like ks this way as i cant see a reason not fixing it despite it being on the radar for 8 or so months

[surreal flower]

[gaunt phoenix]

ye kinda weirdge

ran out of ideas for an otherwise good season

[hidden bay]

i think ideas are fine

[gaunt phoenix]

or just dont send the patch so soon

[hidden bay]

but not enough employess probably

have to finish visions

its so wild to me they release content like this

i literally get second hand embarassment

how can you release such a mess as a company

[hybrid crown]

Gimme dinars

[heavy shadow]

If you're trying to improve parse on first boss is it worth taking add (it does dmg right?) or just blissfully ignore

[hidden bay]

yeah those too, they said last week they are gonna have some sort of announcement for dinars after .5 comes out.. why delay it?

[olive flax]

ignore

[heavy shadow]

Riught you are! What's a mechanic

[late swallow]

this cooldown tracker is so undercooked it's unreal

[dawn talon]

shoutout to the renown bug im rank 1 allstars

B)

[bright crane]

Probably because they knew the announcement will flop

[olive flax]

probs can try to cleave onto the bikes, but using the bikes hard ints your uptime.

[stiff isle]

Is it actually working?

[dawn talon]

not anymore

i raided last night tho

[hidden bay]

idk man

if it was me

[late swallow]

dinars will come in post season

[hidden bay]

clearly patch is not good PR

[dawn talon]

i legit just logged into my guys to do lfr/profession weeklies

[late swallow]

if you think we're getting dinars soon, stop coping

[stiff isle]

I have not seen a log where the buff actually gave the dam, it was just a tooltip error

[dawn talon]

like i normally do

[hidden bay]

make dinar post say your getting them next week/after hof closes w/e

fix pr issue somewhat

[dawn talon]

idc i got a screenshot

[hidden bay]

their communication with the community was starting to become OK and now went to shit again

[dawn talon]

i legit just want to be annoying with it

wcl devs are babies who only give allstars points for patchwerk fights anyway

[hidden bay]

thats good

also literally not true

[bright crane]

I think it just all
Means they don’t yet have a plan for how to release dinars

Or not one fully baked enough to share

[hidden bay]

6/8 bosses have pad

only 1 has allstarts removed

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[bright crane]

And so releasing info prematurely would be worse than just waiting until there is actually something meaningful to share

[hidden bay]

how do you not have a plan this long

[hybrid crown]

They should just invalidate parses when blade flurry does dmg tbh

[bright crane]

Brother look at 11.1.5

[hidden bay]

HOF is good cutoff

[dawn talon]

i farmed allstars points until like, idk, nyalotha?

[bright crane]

Literally the most nothing burger patch

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean stix parses are a total crapshoot if you get balled or not

[bright crane]

And everything about it was bugged

[hidden bay]

when were they supposed to come initially? like renown 13

[bright crane]

Yeah something like that

[hidden bay]

we are at 8?

[bright crane]

Super late in the raid renown track

[hidden bay]

cant check rn

[dawn talon]

and then i realised i just fundamentally disagree with them about what does and doesn't matter for performance metrics

and stopped caring

[bright crane]

Correct we’re at 8

[hidden bay]

so dinars should be between now and 5 more weeks

[bright crane]

Hypothetically assuming the time frame stays the same

[hidden bay]

cuz they said 13 renown was too late

[hybrid crown]

I just want a Mr pick me up on my healer

[hidden bay]

but also blizzard said it

fake news possibly

[vivid vessel]

in farm the only metric should be boss damage, change my mind

[hidden bay]

no i wont thats based asf

[dawn talon]

if they just said that and stuck to it i wouldn't care

[hidden bay]

boss dmg should be the main thing that shows

[late swallow]

do yourself a favor and stop the dinar cope

it's literally not happening

[hidden bay]

and you can opt into showing overall dmg

[dawn talon]

but they legit just

[hybrid crown]

I already have the best trinket the gear grinder keys

[dawn talon]

change their mind and invalidate random shit/disable allstars on bosses nearly randomly

[vivid vessel]

idk about randomly

[dawn talon]

so i cba really

[vivid vessel]

generally its just abusable pad bosses

[hidden bay]

ok i just chedked my boss dmg parses

im literally

insanely

bad

at padding

holy fuck

[vivid vessel]

im the best at both

[hidden bay]

by the time i get to farm on outlaw its too late to bother

devoker and other bullshit snipe the adds

meanwhile you need at least some time for adds to live

[gaunt phoenix]

idk what all star points even mean

[dawn talon]

nothing it's just e-peen measurement

[hybrid crown]

It tells you whether or not you are the sharpest tool in the shed

[gaunt phoenix]

i currently have r1 heroic apparently

but i didnt parse that well everything

weirdge

[hybrid crown]

Oh wait it's rock star not all star ignore that terrible joke

[stiff isle]

If they just had boss damage as the baseline and then whitelisted specific adds per community request that would be ideal for parsing to be closer to the correct incentives

[surreal flower]

It’s like getting a 90% gives you 110 points and the the last 10 points is the difference between how much damage you did and how much the rank 1 log did or something

[dawn talon]

idk

include all adds or none of them

either fight performance matters or boss damage matters

[stiff isle]

How about they include relevant shit

So maybe not the first two assistants on bandit or the p2 bombs

Or any of the bombs other than the unccable set tbh

[red zinc]

adding relevant shit to irrelevant shit

[dawn talon]

idk if you need to do community votes for what you include or don't

the system sucks

pick one rule and be consistent

either every add is included always or none of them are included ever

[stiff isle]

If u prefer they can dictate it

[dawn talon]

that's even worse

[stiff isle]

This is why boss dam is a good solution

No thinking required

[dawn talon]

yeah, exactly

pick one or the other

i don't care which

[stiff isle]

But if they made boss dam default

There would be outrage

[dawn talon]

well yeah

[hybrid crown]

Wouldn't that lead to DPS doing things to game their parses

[red zinc]

why do yall care so much

[dawn talon]

they don't already ?

[hybrid crown]

Like fights where you need to aoe

[red zinc]

Parses aint doing anything to improve your life

[hybrid crown]

Running st shit

[stiff isle]

Yes, but less than currently

[hybrid crown]

I don't think so

[dawn talon]

i only rly care bc i personally dislike the wcl dev team lol

[stiff isle]

See rashanan for an example

[dawn talon]

idc about my parses themselves

[gaunt phoenix]

well it's not parses, it's all stars

in my like 8 years of playing i never looked at what goes into all stars

[hybrid crown]

If it's a DPS gain then run it

[frail veldt]

All star points seem like a meme

[red zinc]

i mean same thing

[hybrid crown]

In new system no run st better parses

[red zinc]

like i know im always negative nancy

[frail veldt]

It's just an obfuscation away from parses

[hybrid crown]

Aoe talents are a DPS upgrade run them simple as that

[red zinc]

but why put all this energy into discussing this system that literally doesnt matter

cant put all stars scores on your resume gangy

[hybrid crown]

In new system it's fuck aoe talents for shit that needs to die I wanna parse

[stiff isle]

Cuz it does matter to some people

[hybrid crown]

Tunnel boss

[frail veldt]

Do people care about all star points?

[stiff isle]

Yes

[red zinc]

Then respectfully you need to reorder your priorities in life

[frail veldt]

Wait why

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean we can talk about target cap or killing spree which also wont have any impact on whether it gets changed

[stiff isle]

Cuz thats the point of the system is to be a cool achievement to chase?

[frail veldt]

There's an achievement?

[cinder summit]

is geargrinders buggesd ?

[stiff isle]

No i just mean

Achieving it

[gaunt phoenix]

it wont hit gallywix or rookery 4th boss

[frail veldt]

How's that different from just parses

Idgi

[stiff isle]

Cuz parses doesnt rank u overall

[cinder summit]

i heard it has uncapped aoe bug

[red zinc]

wont have impact but at least its more interesting than an arbitrary score

[cinder summit]

since patch from a guildie

[frail veldt]

Wdym

[stiff isle]

All stars gives everybody a score, like io

[cinder summit]

maybe he is caping

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm it would be news to me

[frail veldt]

Oh like relative to other classes?

[gaunt phoenix]

let me see

[stiff isle]

No just ur spec

It basically gives u an overall rating fkr parsing

[gaunt phoenix]

if that trinket is bugged im not pinning it

[frail veldt]

That's what average parse is

Idgi

[cinder summit]

xd

[frank finch]

LOL

[stiff isle]

I guess but its not 1 number the same way, no leaderboard etc

[red zinc]

allstar rating looks better on average

[frail veldt]

Average parse is 1 number

[red zinc]

can get all green parses but your allstar score is purple for some reason

[stiff isle]

Its like asking why there is io and not just average key level

[red zinc]

omg great feature

very cool

[civic void]

Afaik it's not set in stone like a parse is, if you lose your rank 1 on a boss you lose all star points but not your 100 parse

[frail veldt]

Well cuz you can do a key faster and it's worth more points

[stiff isle]

Well u can parse later and its worth more points

[frail veldt]

for the same parse its worth more?

thats kinda dumb

Are the all star points out of 1000?

like whats the metric

[vivid vessel]

thats not true

[civic void]

If you are first you get the most amount of points, if someone pass you and get first they do and you lose some points

No clue whats the scale of those points tho, couldn't care less

[stiff isle]

Well its not strictly based on time but i mean cuz of the scaling 3%

[vivid vessel]

uh

what

who cares about that

thats the same thing as getting gear every week and shit

[stiff isle]

Not many people

[vivid vessel]

what are you gonna do

only try to parse last week

cause every other week before is irrelevant

or what

[stiff isle]

Idk kev i dont parse

[red zinc]

then why are you this adamant about it needing changes

[final sluice]

zac - whats ur call on bandit for talents?

[red zinc]

i give up

[stiff isle]

Cuz people who care int my raid

[frail veldt]

Yeah ngl all star kinda dumb

Sounds like people with bad parses trying to want another metric to cope with

Just parse idgi

[gaunt phoenix]

so people shouldn't discuss how to improve it?

[late swallow]

if mewo thinks its dumb, then we shouldn't talk about it

[desert tendon]

No improvements allowed. How do i 100 if i dont have any grey parsers anymore

Cap

[fallen knot]

how do i parse as enha if i dont have pi give please ty

[desert tendon]

Fk pi

[fallen knot]

+150k dps

on stormbringer

[desert tendon]

Gingi lost 3 combust to pi

[civic void]

It's not any dumber than parses since it's close to the same thing

[fallen knot]

hellooooo give pi

[desert tendon]

Dont ever forget

[fallen knot]

i'm not mage though

and i'm not gingi

[cinder relic]

ASP is a good metrtic imo

Gives you an idea of "how much worse you are" than rank 1

but putting your entire worth as a player in ASP means you are a moron

[late swallow]

i think playing wow means you're a moron

[fallen knot]

whats asp

[late swallow]

all star points

[fallen knot]

aaa

[gaunt phoenix]

dw it took me a second too

[fallen knot]

i really never cared about those

[late swallow]

reading comprehension and context enjoyers stay winning

[fallen knot]

i care about orange or better numbers on the side

[vivid vessel]

pad with pc "cau

[cinder relic]

ASP is a more valuable metric than ranks

[fallen knot]

i know

[cinder relic]

It's the same idea, but its a gradiant rather than a flat value

If rank 1 was 5m and rank 2 was 4m

rank 1 is way better than rank 2

but when rank 2 4.98

it's like "aight thats good"

[fallen knot]

lets talk about

really good marketing campaigns

and why is the pope's death the best campaign ever made for a movie

[red zinc]

why is this man hitting the craziest walk cycle ever though

someone stop him

[final sluice]

takling mythic though

so not sure waht is better - adds are problem for sure - boss dps also usefull

[gaunt phoenix]

the trinket is not uncapped but i don't think it is splitting damage correctly

seems to cap out at +150% total damage instead of +75%

for example if it did 3 million on 1 target then at 9 target it should do (5.25m / 9) to each target

but it does (7.5m / 9)

[cinder summit]

we take those

[frank finch]

always like this and no one noticed or .5 things?

[gaunt phoenix]

not sure, i can find a log from weeks ago

[frank finch]

lowkey might be why its bis

and simc has the 150% version

[gaunt phoenix]

it shouldn't

unless the behavior was changed globally across all split trinkets

i need to confirm im not dumb and it didnt already work like that

[red zinc]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExd2YzZTk1M2NqeWdxbTQ5Y29zbXp4bG9haTEzbDNoYWU5NDdoamYydyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/ZUUGQBNirVXqknNRQI/giphy.gif

what is blud doing

[untold yarrow]

anyone else feel like playing diff class with the current state of law

i stg

im just getting depressed

[late swallow]

literally just put the game down for a bit

you don't have to keep playing bro

it's the springtime and it's beautiful outside

go buy a bike and enjoy the splendor of creation

[frail veldt]

Wait so what does the 4.98 mean in this context

[fallen knot]

i rerolled when they removed acrobatic strikes

[magic shuttle]

I'm 99% sure it hit the rookery boss earlier today

[frail veldt]

I'm still not understanding what the metric of asp is on a scale of

[hybrid crown]

I like the damage profile of demo lock in keys

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[hybrid crown]

You just send your shit most of the time feels good

[untold yarrow]

sadly dont have my bike with me otherwise yeah iw ould

[hybrid crown]

This has been a good season for alts

[untold yarrow]

based take tbh

[trail cape]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[runic bough]

Yo guys its me Ryukage.

I have joined the genocide of killingspree. Please prayge for me and my family that I do not die too many times and get blocked by too many meta players in pugs.

Thank you.

[vivid vessel]

litteraly the dps

if r1 does 5 mil

r2 4.98

you get almost 120 all star points

if you do 2 mil and are r2

you get nothing

[frail veldt]

is 120 the max?

so with 8 bosses the max all star points is 960?

so your points are out of 960?

[vivid vessel]

ye 120 is r1

[frail veldt]

but no one likely has 960

[vivid vessel]

ye but there is always a boss out of all star

its possible to hold all r1s at a time

[desert tendon]

imagine not being 120 every boss

[vivid vessel]

i dont think i have done it yet tho

[desert tendon]

skill issue fr fr

[vivid vessel]

i did it in damage boss

[desert tendon]

no rng involved

[vivid vessel]

at some point dont rmemeber which tier

admi maybe

[gaunt phoenix]

@cinder summit @frank finch looks like it was universally changed across all split trinkets

in february

simc also has it

[hybrid crown]

All star points are different between each diff

[frail veldt]

so I have a 95 parse on one boss giving me 111 all star points but only a 109 on another boss even though it was a 99 parse im assuming cuz the 99 parse was older?

[hybrid crown]

Someone go max out raid finder all stars

[gaunt phoenix]

@vivid vessel did you know this

split trinkets are +30% per target instead of 15% now

[hybrid crown]

😮

[frail veldt]

whooooa wtf

[hybrid crown]

Vexie keys bis

[frank finch]

wait i think i remember this buff , when they buffed all on use split trinkets

[civic void]

All star points are re computed every morning or something so yeah it means your 99 is further to current rank 1 than your 95 is

[covert kestrel]

Grim Codex BIS?!?!???!??!?ONE?!??

[late swallow]

Grim Codex enjoyers stay winning

[desert tendon]

@vivid vessel is wave doing good or nah? Why is teah / cogih leaving?

👀

[gaunt phoenix]

i'd no idea

[frank finch]

yyea that 1

[hybrid crown]

I looted a codex and can't remember if it was on my sham or rogue

[frail veldt]

so all star points are more of a reflection of your dps recently, and due to the raid dps buff and ilvl its less reflective of your actual performance level compared to others

[gaunt phoenix]

i thought geargrinder damage at 5 targets seemed a bit high

[frail veldt]

kinda dumb ngl

so you earn more all star points just playing later in the season

due to renown buff and ilvl in general

I think ill stick to average parse haha

[fallen knot]

well

yes

but

[frail veldt]

rip

[fallen knot]

everybody gets that buff

[civic void]

Yeah because getting all 100 the first week of the season is much more intelligent

[frail veldt]

yeah but a lot of people are skipping old bosses for prog etc

[frail veldt]

yeah ofc early parses arent a great metric either but I think its better than most recent

I mean tbh

median perf average

is probably the best

cuz that counts every time youve killed a boss

not just your best attempt

[civic void]

Sure but I don't really understand why you are so dead set on asp being an useless thing

[frail veldt]

Im just trying to understand it

[fallen knot]

first kill parses are kind of good if you spend the time watching the whole log and not only the number

[frail veldt]

the more I understand it the less useful it seems

thats not myf ault haha

they made it that way

[glass mortar]

didnt they buff meteoring trinkets last season while u were gone

wait

goddamnit

discord didnt load 10 minutes of messages again

[fallen knot]

but as guy said all star points are generally good for player performance

[frank finch]

bozo

[late swallow]

here comes weran with an insightful take

[gaunt phoenix]

think it was part of this season

[late swallow]

classic weran

[glass mortar]

i was about to give that guy OaB talent advice too

[late swallow]

weran's got that samwise gamgee vibe

[frail veldt]

Yeah if the raid buff didn't exist I think they could be

Tbh all star should just offset DPS by the renown buff

That would be sick

Would improve the metric

[fallen knot]

the best move would be to play a really fucking hard class that nobody plays and be really good at it

or a stupid class that everybody plays and be really good at it

so you can get both all star and r1 easily

[civic void]

Isn't it literally outlaw lol

[fallen knot]

yes but

[frail veldt]

I think the best thing is to play a class that benefits the least from pi

[fallen knot]

outlaw is different

because

[frail veldt]

Cuz trying to parse on a pi spec without pi is not possible

[fallen knot]

you're all tryhards

[frail veldt]

I think outlaws easier to parse on in some ways cuz you arent as impacted by outside effects like number of PIs, boss kill time, etc

Theres still some bs like tank positioning or who can pad the most off adds and shit

[fallen knot]

well i got 2x 98s back to back on rik

without pi

as enha

[frail veldt]

imagine if you had pi

...

[fallen knot]

i have to say though

that

[cinder relic]

4.98m

[fallen knot]

i doubled the add damage of the 2nd person

so i did some really good ethical padding

[frail veldt]

Yeah I didnt see the reference to r1 being 5mil makes sense

[fallen knot]

98 is like r30

cause nobody plays enha anymore

[frail veldt]

but Yeah I dont see any reason asp cant subtract the renown buff and make the metric a better reflection of overall skill and less dependent on recency of parse

[fallen knot]

they play the stupid casting blue class instead

[frail veldt]

maybe something they do in the future now that blizzard seems to have committed to this method of renown buffing

as opposed to just nerfing boss hp

[fallen knot]

you would enter in the world of "would could should" there though

why cant they subtract pi dps aswell

[civic void]

Because it's not a flat increase

[fallen knot]

or correct for raid buffs if somehow a raid doesnt have shout for example

[frail veldt]

cuz you cant

pi dps cant be calculated

[fathom bramble]

Haste is too complicated

[frail veldt]

renown buff is very easy

I dont think theres a good reason they cant subtract it

[fallen knot]

well i mean

parses are good for the start usually

[honest sparrow]

just remove pi and give priest a good cd and we all are happy. Priests are happy Pi targets are happy. The world would be a better place

[fallen knot]

and asp for the end of the season

[ancient cobalt]

i thought my doctor knew i was a wow cranker cause she was like wow you gotta alot of asp points and then i found out what she meant

[fathom bramble]

I’m not sure you can tell what % someones buff is at from a log

Unless you manually calculate it from their stats/damage I guess

[fallen knot]

or from reputation from armory if thats still a thing

[fathom bramble]

Warcraftlogs trying to hook into every players armory in every log of the raid seems like an api nightmare

[frail veldt]

its a buff on your character

[fallen knot]

also it would probably fucking explode

[frail veldt]

the same way they can tell how many PIs you get

you can tell what dps buff they have

I cant see why not

[fathom bramble]

But the buff doesn’t change id with more rep

Does the buff even show on logs either?

[fallen knot]

wait i just realised

what was the point of this .5

just log reset?

[random stirrup]

brick the game

[civic void]

it does ye

[random stirrup]

bug out everything

[magic shuttle]

Man got balls 2 times on stix

Never lucky

[fallen knot]

intentionally but not really wipe the raid

if you get 2x balls

[frail veldt]

it would have to though wouldnt it for it to be a higher percent?

[magic shuttle]

After our prog struggles on this boss, killing him on 2nd pull on reclear is too good to pass

[fallen knot]

if you got a nice parse on kill

yea

[fathom bramble]

Not if all the buff is doing is triggering a background serverside thingy

[fallen knot]

if not i'd be so mad i'd run into every bombshell

[lament gyro]

hey guys any1 have a wa that shows how many mobs are within range?

have an old one that doesnt work from df

[frail veldt]

I would hope not lol

I think the effort would be worth it

[fathom bramble]

I don’t know exactly how it is implemented, but it wouldn’t be out of the question to just have your quest state dictate the % damage boost

[frail veldt]

but maybe im just overvaluing parses

and no one gives af

I just like accuracy

haha

[vivid vessel]

getting first ball on stix

is so much better

idk who was complaining about getting first

[fallen knot]

i'd rather get 2nd as elemental

[vivid vessel]

bro you can just send on cd then

its so free

[gaunt phoenix]

i think this works https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ

i have it but tbh i dont look at it

it could be broken and i didnt realize

[lament gyro]

ty

[ebon reef]

wipe before kill

[gaunt phoenix]

[ebon reef]

i really dont like this game

[late swallow]

[gaunt phoenix]

same

[covert kestrel]

It's bug and cringe

[ebon reef]

wait

theres a bug?

[covert kestrel]

Cringe

[fallen knot]

the game is a bug

[ebon reef]

which one of the many

is there really a bug or am i getting bamboozled

[gaunt phoenix]

game is bug

[fallen knot]

world of warcraft is a bug

every version

before you ask which version

[slate forge]

My blade flurry doesn’t do dmg passed 8 targets how do I report this bug?

[lime lake]

by playing another class

[gaunt phoenix]

known issue for years

[ebon reef]

outlaw was the best class in the entire game

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/buggriddy-lusgifs-bug-griddy-griddy-gif-1934725039210711653

Game is bug

[ebon reef]

and blizzard bugged it

[bright crane]

Hey guys don’t bug out

Strict no bugging out policy here right

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

at least u beat the rank 3 guy!

[quaint wharf]

672 is wild

[desert tendon]

washed up zac

gg

go play assa or idk

[vivid vessel]

i have 0 gear man

[bright crane]

Yeah dude seriously

Like what are you even doing

[cinder relic]

lower ilvl higher parse

[quaint wharf]

HO diff

[vivid vessel]

im litteraly lowest of my guild

[gaunt phoenix]

took one for the team to drag outlaw average down

[vivid vessel]

all these people are alts

same ilvl as me

[desert tendon]

play the good prog spec zac

and u ll get every gear

[vivid vessel]

i did ?

wdym

[late swallow]

Your dk is 674 holy

[desert tendon]

they knew u would swap to outlaw for reclear

so they gave everything to the other rogue

[vivid vessel]

[vivid vessel]

tbf thats like

what people have

around my wr

cause its already like

3rd reclear now right g

[late swallow]

Was just making an observation didn’t need the humblebrag

Thanks though

[desert tendon]

lemme check our guild zac

[vivid vessel]

no but im just saying xd

[late swallow]

Thank you!

[glass mortar]

If it makes u feel anybetter zac I'm only 669 in my rat gear and we havent even killed OaB yet

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[desert tendon]

look at me zac

[random stirrup]

[vivid vessel]

nice

[bright crane]

Ah shit dude I looked at your trinkets

My b

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-gif-10030312

[bright crane]

Spagett!

[vivid vessel]

no way you cant get crushed with cheat

cheat is useles thoughts?

[random stirrup]

i think its bugged

i swear sometimes the coins did like 20M and sometimes 10

even when boss no enrage

[proven ocean]

death cheated you

cheat doesnt work anymore anyways

its not as good as it used to be

idk how its always killing u now in mythic raids

used to be way different back in the days i feel like

[bright crane]

Back in my day

[vivid vessel]

ye idk that shit is legit useless

[gaunt phoenix]

wasn't there a bug from antiquity (shadowlands) where cheat would proc but not provide dmg reduction

[cinder relic]

There are also ways that damage happens where cheat is just ineffective against

Usually it's rarely, but theres a few this tier

Where it's usually once every few tiers

[still matrix]

my adr uptime man

ks

bad rng

reeee

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[jade abyss]

@vivid vessel Ain't no way we cant play HO with KS on mugzee no?

or is it really too frustrating because of mines?

[bright crane]

Rot damage ya?

[vivid vessel]

nah idk

i gave up

too ahrd

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxtHmyPCaU6GmyuLDa3WJEevgfiXsuXY7j?si=fP3EXyvu7GWqUvW6

this is what tipped the balance

i gave up on this one

[jade abyss]

Hmm I'll trust your tries then and not make my guild suffer

[jade abyss]

that's unfortunate but he doesn't do that for long you could have waited a bit

[wide nexus]

I petition to change what we call ks to kms

[vivid vessel]

ye i could have

i didnt know that thing did damage

ngl

but the thing is

you wait this

you wait bombs

you wait jails

in transition idk

you can get stunned

at some point its like

brother

let me play the game you know

[jade abyss]

@vivid vessel yeah it does sound annoying. I guess it's more justified to HO on bandit than this one

It's funny that I always wanted a strong KS for a long time just because it felt so bad that this spell had no damage. But now that HO exists I realise how much I enjoy playing KIR without the liability of KS

[magic shuttle]

what does the dash in logs mean?

instead of parse number

[sharp sand]

How do you compare your log to someone else’s? I heard you could do that

[sharp sand]

Ty

[vivid vessel]

stop saying ho

its trickster cuh

[cinder relic]

Nah

Like mugzee mines go thru cheat

[cinder relic]

Idk why

But it just does

[jade abyss]

no but I wanted to also point out that I actually enjoy KIR compared to HO

[vivid vessel]

kir is always more fun

[untold yarrow]

imagine you just log on your boomie alt, 660 gear, first pull floodgate chilling on top of the boxes, dont have to even touch WSAD and 13m dps. Meanwhile, outlaw getting fucking giga cucked by every mechanic doing half that

ilovethisgame

[stuck sparrow]

Imagine udk alt

2 button brr

[clever river]

and yet they took away our couple yards of extra range at the end of last expac "cuz it was OP" meanwhile ranged abuse Z axis.

[untold yarrow]

i say imagine

im legit on my boomie atm

chilling watching yt on my second screen and playing

like its a joke

this game is a joke

[cinder relic]

They didn't remove it cuz it was op though

[untold yarrow]

for the boomers

that remember this game

[clever river]

it was fun so they had to kick us in the sack

[cinder relic]

Ok

[untold yarrow]

i found one of you guys out in the wild outlaw player

crazy

[slate plaza]

any way to disable cpu profiling now that command is gone

!craft

is 675 crafted ring good for replacing cyrclet

[untold yarrow]

if u have nothing else to craft ig. but sim it mby

i think some 665s can even replace it

like 0.2% upgrade but still

[vapid sundial]

They got rid of the command...?

[clever river]

for me it had a 658 ring replacing circlet idk how but its weird, prolly cuz of where it put my haste

[cinder relic]

yes

[vapid sundial]

I am so glad I quit this dogshit game.

How is this company so inept.

[cinder relic]

whats the correlation?

[slate plaza]

i need my fucking 20% fps

when this dogshit game runs at like 80 in raid

[vapid sundial]

They added something that made the game run like dog ass for a lot of people.

Focefully enabled it.

And now they got rid of the command to disable it, forcing you to use a weak aura to do so.