dude
#outlaw
twilit nest
vivid vessel
So can eu open their vault or I need to wait for that fix
twilit nest
So can eu open their vault or I need to wait for that fix
if you play outlaw you should gamble on it
just open and prayge for no duplicate items
signal ingot
there is any way to know what people are using on the time trials (gear wise)
twilit nest
but most likely will be fixed until yesterday
twilit nest
Evil David
gg new naem
frank finch
@vivid vessel can you make a new outlaw ui with blizz's new amazing ingame cooldown manager plz?
vivid vessel
No it's trash
frank finch
unlucky
wintry solar
Is SS still on it?
frank finch
there are already wa's to make the cooldown manager better
vivid vessel
I don't get when this is for eu
Cause they say a time but
They also say server restart
astral wind
I imagine if there's a fix it'll have been fixed on EU servers for launch?
That's my hope I'm ripping vault in 2 hours
wintry solar
That's what I'm thinking
runic bough
think i have enough haste guys
wintry solar
Eh
runic bough
vivid vessel
That post was 2 h ago tho
wintry solar
He changed his name
twilit nest
think i have enough haste guys
i wish we could make our GCD even smaller
0.2 sec gcd
no GCD
wintry solar
Bruh
twilit nest
what a great spell man
wintry solar
Ask a mage to lust you
runic bough
i havnt played yet
wintry solar
How does it feel
rotund zodiac
what's the most efficeint way to use this trinket? just won the roll
wintry solar
Wow
runic bough
been making builds all night
rotund zodiac
I saw many top logs using it
wintry solar
Wasn't it on CD?
runic bough
you need a tracker for it
find the tracker for it i guess
its telling me to go kir https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2gAjaH4KZ6XB7Bof67YQNn
no hybrid
frank finch
what's the most efficeint way to use this trinket? just won the roll
using on 1 is the same as using on 30, but if u know theres gonna be a dmg amp u can stack for it like that
strong cargo
what's the most efficeint way to use this trinket? just won the roll
It doesn't matter if you hold or send on cd damage won't change, so you can send on cd unless there is damage amp phase incoming or you want to wait for a new incoming target
frank finch
pretty sure the execute thing stil works to
if u kill a mob with it the stacks dont reset
runic bough
do u guys make a macro for ks to mouseover on higher hp targets?
because if the target dies it will cancel ks
strong cargo
No I just target a better one if mine is going to die
runic bough
so i have to look at hp bars of mobs before i ks
spicy
demonhunters use a macro to use mouseover and on current target i need to copy that for ks
frank finch
i hear they fixed it but then i ask my guildie and he still at 20
strong cargo
Well you should at least look at your target hp and care about it only if it's really low
vivid vessel
Nice
frank finch
nice
runic bough
in m+ I like to make sure mobs die before switching so I can use mouseover macro for ks while killing current mob
vivid vessel
Or don't do 2s and it will be less of a problem tbf
runic bough
this is the macro for active target and mouseover for the same ability
#showtooltip
/cast [mod:alt,@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Samplenamehere
runic bough
im just thinking larger than 8 pulls
and the affix that needs to be killed
I could cast ks on that affix and stay on my mob
larger than 8 targets we dont hit every mob
so we have to target
the affix
to make sure it dies
Yeah it doesnt even matter honestly
ks is shit
doesnt matter who you mouseover with it
still matrix
Can we open vault in EU yet?
wintry solar
When you have a dot on you and you're out of combat AND cloak is on CD 🥰
wintry solar
We spamming Stealth in this bih
vivid vessel
Ye sorry this is a stealth class but they forgot we needed to stealth when they made ks
vivid vessel
How do you know it'd fixed
vivid vessel
Ok
hidden bay
3 vaults open 0 duplicates idk
wintry solar
Ye sorry this is a stealth class but they forgot we needed to stealth when they ...
Someone forgot to email the intern that outlaw is more stealth focused these days.
It happens
vivid vessel
I don't wanna gamble cause my vault got mugzee weapon in it
wintry solar
3 Mugzee weapons 
vivid vessel
raid only weapon who cares
No it's also bis m+ wdym
wintry solar
I wish there was a way to upgrade the upgrade track itself
hidden bay
doesnt it lose 8t?
acoustic hedge
dont open vault i should have had 3 dungeon myth items but only got 1 myth1 hero
vivid vessel
!fuu
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frank finch
vivid vessel
Where
wintry solar
Zac can we like, do a background check on everyone here and ban those that post outrageous things on the forums?
hidden bay
and wowh comments
wintry solar
Yeah good catch
torpid fiber
Zac can we like, do a background check on everyone here and ban those that post ...
literally 1984 smh
wintry solar
It's different
torpid fiber
literally 2025 smh
wintry solar
That's better
runic bough
!wa
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wintry solar
There's people still arguing on a post from 2020
haughty wigeon
holydhit
lime lake
lmao
wintry solar
That's what I'm saying
viscid perch
cant see buffs on the personal resource display,is that intended?
torpid fiber
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/redgreen-eye-colours-for-dk%E2%80%99s/54...
this is CRAZY
vivid vessel
cant see buffs on the personal resource display,is that intended?
Ye it's intended so you stop using that shit
Welcome to weak auras
wintry solar
this is CRAZY
Idk if I'm making my night worse or better lol
torpid fiber
i read the first few posts and the last post and decided to stop reading it
but like
over fucking DK EYE COLOURS???
wintry solar
And you know
I get the eye color thing. I really do. I want it myself
But idek if the arguing has been on topic the last 2 years lol
torpid fiber
yeah it seems like such an innocuous ask
lime lake
i'll always argue in favor of more customizations
but idk if i'd argue for 2 years over it
wintry solar
I think Kelliste is just a master rage baiter
We should lure him to the Killing Spree post to help keep its relevance
novel socket
lime lake
kelliste vs ryu on killing spree post
someone get it done
that shit will be active until wow 2
lime lake
who the fuck is ryuki
haughty wigeon
who the fuck is ryuki
Some rando in the forums
runic bough
on the killingspree post i though
wintry solar
the ones that broke free
3rd
wintry solar
Happens
novel socket
viscid perch
Ye it's intended so you stop using that shit
hope somebody do a wa for that:D
wintry solar
What the hell is this
novel socket
achievement player that only does content from 2 expansions ago
novel socket
novel socket
What the hell is this
same energy as "this patch is very balanced"
torpid fiber
What the hell is this
"it's fine because if it worked a different way to how it does it would be good"
wintry solar
"it's fine because if it worked a different way to how it does it would be good"
I should use this logic for everything
lime lake
the guy who posted heroic logs is so funny
novel socket
the guy who posted heroic logs is so funny
ikr
sullen surge
Hey guys, quick question, I just got the Ravenos honey buzzer in my first vault for my outlaw, is it any good? in wowhead they place it quite high but the movement part of it feels really bad and it might get me killed
red zinc
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1k31axi/why_do_mythic_raid_guil...
He got benched by his aotc guild
novel socket
cinder relic
Hey guys, quick question, I just got the Ravenos honey buzzer in my first vault ...
It's aight
But yeah the movment factor does make it worse in context. If you can get used to it, it's alright until u get better trinkets
red zinc
got the same bracers 3x from vault
Even with the bug what are the odds
they were good stats though so not complaining
novel socket
its the bug
vivid vessel
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1k31axi/why_do_mythic_raid_guil...
i joined my first guild cause of io
like a 4/8 mythic while i had 0 raiding exp
Not even hc
novel socket
like a 4/8 mythic while i had 0 raiding exp
those guilds tend to be desperate for recruits
vivid vessel
Ye I know
wintry solar
My first experience raid tanking was heroic
vivid vessel
But I don't think io is irrelevant for starting up in mythic raiding
That's just false
Proves you know how to.play the game
novel socket
everything matters
but most people in that post make the mistake
thinking that CE = m+ title
so their opinions don't mix well
m+ title is more comparable to hall of fame
wintry solar
Even if I agreed with them I'd still say I disagreed because its reddit
lime lake
i mean he started his post by saying he got benched in an aotc guild so idk how high this guys io even was
but i dont have high expectations
dude showed up with 2500 io probably
runic bough
having 2 big swords really adds to the outlaw experience guys
vivid vessel
Strangely enough I think it's easier to get accidentally carried in m+ than raid
novel socket
like the first 30-50 guilds that get hof
vivid vessel
Like if you aren't good enough in raid people will know and you won't climb ranks
While m+ idk
You can just get boosted by trying over and over and getting lucky
red zinc
Volume gamers as they say
vivid vessel
Which I guess same shit in raid and guilds that raid 6 days a week
Ye hm
Idk
No opinions
wintry solar
You think we would we still play trickster next patch with current tuning?
lime lake
there is no next patch for outlaw
red zinc
Like I remember a nephew in s3 with 100 rio more than me flaming the shit out of me
wintry solar
From Outlaw to Outside
novel socket
<a:ultraomegalul:394008677943869440>
i mean, its not a hard opinion
if its wrong explain it to me
red zinc
M+ title is comparable to having money nowadays
mfs just buy that shit
last season was dire
this season’ll be even worse
lime lake
anything can be boosted if you pay enough
novel socket
i had a guild made that loves m+ blast me that its unreal that people get boosted in title
he was really upset about it
vivid vessel
M+ title is comparable to having money nowadays
thats irrelevant tbf
red zinc
its only like 500k ish per 16 rn
vivid vessel
can we just ignore people that get boosted
when we talk about these type of things
any game
any gamemode
you can get boosted
hot olive
u guyz still waiting for vault fix? or opened?
lime lake
yeah it happens in everything, doesnt really mean anything is more or less valuable
vivid vessel
This is like saying challenger in leagues means nothing cause you can just buy a challenger account
lime lake
you just know that sometimes there are people there that bought it
red zinc
The boosting in fact makes it harder to get actual title
vivid vessel
They were filling the alliance one
novel socket
but isn't hof tied to the guild itself ?
vivid vessel
Every season
red zinc
Cause the people in pugs are all fuckin boosted now
novel socket
then leave
red zinc
vivid vessel
They did that a lot
novel socket
resilient keys will fuck up pugging scene so hard this season
wintry solar
Cause the people in pugs are all fuckin boosted now
There's no other explanation why a 668 mage can't do mechanics
lime lake
resilient keys are great but yeah i can also see it being real fun in pugs
vivid vessel
resilient keys will fuck up pugging scene so hard this season
idk
its also the first time i feel like i can pug my own key cause i wont get it depleted into oblivion
and lose 5 hours in the process
its chill
vivid vessel
?
red zinc
AD 31 > 30 > 29 > 28 DESPAIR
novel socket
you get people that have no place be even near the place they are
red zinc
vivid vessel
yeah great for pushers
vivid vessel
you get people that have no place be even near the place they are
ye
but its worse to deplete your key back to a 10
lime lake
its definitely significantly more good than bad
at least when you get those people that just brute forced their way up with resilient keys it doesnt brick your own key
novel socket
hmm
wintry solar
I don't think blizz could ever apply something like this and not have there be negatives
novel socket
last season i chilled in pvp
and i liked how things are there
you just queue up, you farm points to buy your gear
and then you keep queuing up
no playing queue simulator, not chasing after loot drops
but the playerbase is very small so queues are very long after a point
grim spear
Do you not remember back in SL
blz only opens cross-realm mythic raids after the HoF is full, which makes it easier for boosters to make money. Back then, some of those boosters even helped fill the Alliance HoF for free.
vivid vessel
for free
grim spear
yep
grim spear
9.1
vivid vessel
I mean i do remember how alliance was filled with like
grim spear
sylvanas
novel socket
but wait
vivid vessel
piloting other accounts
vivid vessel
after hof
novel socket
oh
vivid vessel
idk why it was like that
but hof was also faction based
so you needed to wait for alliance guilds
which was impossilb
cause everyone was horde
so alliance was just boosts
xd
grim spear
Yeah, on the CN servers, the main way boosters made money was by logging into your account and using your character to clear raids. Without cross-realm grouping, it was really hard to form full raid teams, and the prices were much higher. Cross-realm raiding made it much easier for them to profit.
novel socket
isn't boosting in the cn servers cheaper because there are so many that do it ?
compared to our servers
grim spear
I think the main reason is that account-sharing boosts are way cheaper to run, and Chinese publishers don't really regulate this kind of thing.
Like right now, mythic raid 1–4 only costs around $5, and 1–8 is less than $40.
wintry solar
Dang
hollow temple
Like right now, mythic raid 1–4 only costs around $5, and 1–8 is less than $40.
really
wintry solar
Wish I could get that rn
hollow temple
i heard it was a few thousand yuan
novel socket
I think the main reason is that account-sharing boosts are way cheaper to run, a...
Chinese publishers don't really regulate this kind of thing.
they actually banned a lot of people like a month ago
for m+ boosting
hollow temple
James said he heard it was thousands of dollars even
wintry solar
Maybe it's per person
grim spear
> Chinese publishers don't really regulate this kind of thing.
they actually ba...
really? I don't hear that
hollow temple
really? I don't hear that
it was the season 1 exploiters
grim spear
ok, that's true
hollow temple
that exploited the raid buffs and other shit in m+
runic bough
grim spear
i heard it was a few thousand yuan
That was in the first few weeks, or during those "you get all the loot" runs.
red zinc
I can believe that boosts are cheaper in china with their economy and everything
But not to that extent
runic bough
im a gatherer
wintry solar
Hmmm
dim widget
map in the middle
Mainspecc gatherer UI, gotta see those juicy nodes
grim spear
James said he heard it was thousands of dollars even
There are many different tiers of boosting services.
wintry solar
I should sell my key to people who want to carry me
hollow temple
That was in the first few weeks, or during those "you get all the loot" runs.
ah, so it's just cutting edge that is $40
does that include the mount?
either way thats crazy cheap
its like 10x more expensive in NA going off token prices - and thats at the very end of the season
grim spear
does that include the mount?
mounts are sold separately, roughly $12 each. If no one in the boosting run you’re in buys the mount, you might even get it for free.
vivid vessel
glad you fnially decided to play a real build
novel socket
Mainspecc gatherer UI, gotta see those juicy nodes
that explains it
vivid vessel
@runic bough
i dont wanna be annoying
but you have about 5 catalyst charges
and all your items are hc track
novel socket
lime lake
grim spear
lol
vivid vessel
If you ever decide to stop trolling
There is no reason to not catalyst hc track
You will get at most one mythic track piece a week
You have 5 catalyst or.smth rn
And already one tier chest
So you can't even spend them fast enough
Even after catalysing your 4 p hc
You will still have 2 cata left
Which is 2 vaults if you get 2 mythic tier slots in your next 2 vaults
By these 2 weeks you will have another catalyst charge
red zinc
zac he has to show incremental improvement in his dps meter
red zinc
how does he do that by upgrading everything at once
vivid vessel
For the love of god
Catalyst your hc pieces
And take the builds from the faq
Instead of cooking the same builds we are using but with 1/2 wrong talent everytime
sonic gust
@vivid vessel Do you still recommend going KIR for raid? i do way less damage, but your parses are so beautiful, i dont get it D:
jolly geyser
!addons
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> Do you still recommend going KIR for raid? i do way less d...
I hate ho
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vivid vessel
I think 99% of players on this game will do better as ho
And ho is probably better anyway
It sims better for me as well
I just don't need to to get r1
So
I won't
sonic gust
ahh, gotcha
runic bough
ks build loses adr so fast
novel socket
that's what i was about to ask
why people even use kir
if ho is better or the same on top of being easier
torn loom
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red zinc
Ho players get their soul sucked
sonic gust
And ho is probably better anyway
you think its better for M+ too, you just prefer kir?
novel socket
i don't get it
vivid vessel
you think its better for M+ too, you just prefer kir?
same
altough in m+
i think kir might potentially do more
but idk about that
again ho much easier and i dont think 99% of outlaw players can play kir to the level required to beat ho
is my take
torpid fiber
if ho is better or the same on top of being easier
ppl play outlaw for gameplay anyways so makes sense to me if there's two somewhat close builds ppl will play the one they prefer
limpid stream
Hekili can do it 👀
fathom bramble
why people even use kir
most people are only playing this spec at all because they find it fun
that kind of person would 100% play KIR over HO even if it is a loss for them
so long as they find it more fun
vivid vessel
but you have about 5 catalyst charges
@runic bough im not joking please read all of that
the next time yoiu link a sim where you dont have 4p im blocking you
red zinc
vivid vessel
time to catalyst
long barn
Hekili can do it 👀
Does it though? I mean sure it’s good but not sure how good.
torpid fiber
Hekili will get the rotation correct that's a given it's going to be the other things that you'd have to figure out yourself
long barn
Now that they blocked turning off disabling Addon profiler, anyone have any ideas to get some improvements in other ways? Game feels like poop now.
loud wing
Can we start a petition to uncap BF
torpid fiber
nah we just gotta wait for big content creators to tweet about it for a month
runic bough
damnit
i really dont like this tier or ks
now zac is telling me to convert
Adr is falling off all the time now
adr falling off mean bf does too
Deft was broken they said not to spec into it
lime lake
Lmao
runic bough
ok ok
vivid vessel
Without taking tier or what
wide nexus
adr falling off mean bf does too
BF falling off is a skill issue not a spec issue
vivid vessel
You can play your random talents if you want
quartz patio
Why do these have higher prior as Trickster?
The main deal with Trickster is being aware that both Killing Spree and Coup de Grace have higher priority than entering Vanish
vivid vessel
But just catalyst man
vivid vessel
Why do these have higher prior as Trickster?
> The main deal with Trickster is ...
Coup make your next finisher do bigger dam
Ks is a cd
Vanish windows are big cdr
wide nexus
Why do these have higher prior as Trickster?
> The main deal with Trickster is ...
vanish also gains prio over them if you are going to lose adr
lime lake
Don’t take tier out of spite
Zac is a hater
Don’t let the haters win
Don’t let them tear you down
runic bough
are u happy zaco
vivid vessel
are u happy zaco
ye nice thanks
quartz patio
Coup make your next finisher do bigger dam
So, in an ideal situation, it'd be: coup into ks for the extra damage?
vivid vessel
you play sleight of hands now instead of loaded dice @runic bough
vivid vessel
So, in an ideal situation, it'd be: coup into ks for the extra damage?
Ks into coup generally
Cause again, ks is a cd , coup is cdr
Also we don't care that much about ks damage anyway
wide nexus
Cause again, ks is a cd , coup is cdr
everything is cdr at the end of the day
runic bough
so im using deft still or is it broken
vivid vessel
ye do
vague cape
I’ve got the fix
wide nexus
the endless gameplay loop of reducing CDs to use CDs that reduce your CDs
lime lake
Outranged
novel socket
Can we start a petition to uncap BF
never gonna happen
unless they change how the skill works
but max from liquid made a video about caps being bad so maybe blizz listens
they tend to hear what streamers and WFR say
sometimes
grim spear
Suddenly this spec can be reliable in raid
somehow my rl asked me to bring my outlaw alt to raid for bandit next CD
wide nexus
unless they change how the skill works
well they have never changed it before
fathom bramble
people said the same exact thing about beast cleave and yet
beast cleave is softcapped at 9
beast/kill cleave are literally just BF mechanically
also the sin ripoff of BF is softcapped too
idk if it being capped has anything to do with the design
vague cape
somehow my rl asked me to bring my outlaw alt to raid for bandit next CD
Does your guild not have spriest / boomie?
wide nexus
it could literally just do reduced damage beyond 4/7 targets and everyone would calm down about it
vague cape
Outlaw might be op then xd
runic bough
guys
vague cape
Bfa 3x rogue meta traumatised blizz I think
runic bough
doing DFC when is bad time to ks?
quartz patio
Use coup at 6+ combo points?
vague cape
doing DFC when is bad time to ks?
Candle boss if he’s next to the purple candles
It stuns you, I do it anyways
fathom bramble
it could literally just do reduced damage beyond 4/7 targets and everyone would ...
softcap would help a lot for the big packs where people tend to lust and use CDs
grim spear
Does your guild not have spriest / boomie?
we r running with 4 healers, only one sriest, and 2 boomies. I'm playing assa this tier, but rl thinks my target switching is too weak.
fathom bramble
we would still be below those specs, but it would certainly help
also not being able to cleave evenly has had problems in the past since we only hit the 7 nearest enemies
that would also get fixed by a softcap
vague cape
we r running with 4 healers, only one sriest, and 2 boomies. I'm playing assa th...
yes, the whole idea is u crank boss
if u want add dmg u go sub or OL
vivid vessel
beast cleave is softcapped at 9
9??????????????
fathom bramble
don't ask me why it randomly has a cap of 9
when everything else in the game is 8
vivid vessel
vague cape
bm does gazzillion dps in mass pulls
fathom bramble
they also have significant osurces of uncapped damage
vague cape
and by uncapped I mean actually uncapped
vivid vessel
bm does gazzillion dps in mass pulls
Well it'snot hard capped so
vague cape
then again they've capped traditionally uncapped spells like starfire
wide nexus
I mean the only real source of uncapped aoe that outlaw has access to is blade rush and we can't even take it because it has a garbage position in the talent tree
fathom bramble
best language is "softcapped" "Hardcapped" and "uncapped"
vivid vessel
I mean the only real source of uncapped aoe that outlaw has access to is blade r...
we cant take it cause it deostn do damage till 30 targets buddy
fathom bramble
to make it clear which spell is doing what
wide nexus
or else its dead forever
or it could just be at the top of the tree instead of the bottom
fathom bramble
has to beat some very strong talents with where it is
it's the only thing on the row that is just bad
haughty wigeon
or it could just be at the top of the tree instead of the bottom
okay
fathom bramble
idk if 600% buff would even be enough lol
haughty wigeon
that wouldnt really make it worth pressing beyond "press when need energy"
wide nexus
it's a W movement ability
fathom bramble
should be buffed significantly and put where Triple Threat is
and just delete triple threat
put a talent that actually competes with the big 4 here or better yet trim this entire row down to 3
wide nexus
buff it by 600% and it might even be worth wasting a global on
fallen knot
is vault bugged for eu aswell or no?
fathom bramble
I wonder how much BR actually needs to compete with cto, ghostly, and precise
wide nexus
on 30 targets
I like it when people say "swap KS with blade rush for trickster" because not only would that be a massive dps loss just to take it, but you'd apply fazed to targets that you can't even hit because of capped BF
fathom bramble
KS already applies fazed to targets you can't hit
wide nexus
true
wide nexus
rogue hero talents just need help across the board for all specs
vivid vessel
25 targets with 600% br
15*
idk if thats even worth considering you need to remove uh
gs?
for kir
or pc or smth idk
10 targets
haughty wigeon
st and cleave?
vivid vessel
maybe 6000%
vivid vessel
st and cleave?
10 targets cuh
fathom bramble
can't believe we got the KS applies aoe fazed we wanted
vivid vessel
I mean it will be a loss on st if I cast it on cd
fathom bramble
and it just doesn't do anything
vivid vessel
its casting it on cd here
which might be ok for aoe comparaisons
but in st
well ok
not that terribke actllually
wide nexus
I mean a 600% buff to 180k-ish damage is like 1mill for a global +25 energy
vivid vessel
But I think it wasn't on cd
wide nexus
in st
vivid vessel
Energy stuffs idk
Imagine if that shit was a finisher tho
You need like
60000% buff at least
To justify it being a finisher
fathom bramble
the AP ratio it already has per combo point is probably fine
wide nexus
I mean if they made it a finisher they might as well just remove it from the game
vivid vessel
600% wouldn't be nearly as enough to justify spending cps on it
fathom bramble
for a finisher that just doees full damage in aoe
vivid vessel
No I meant for br
fathom bramble
yeah
BR has 4 times the ap ratio of dispatch
I mean take the current damage
and just multiply it by CP spent
vapid blaze
idk outlaw is just fked by more than just dumb hardcapped
fathom bramble
its a win for ho dont you remember
yeah more of a gain than I thought for fatebound ho
wide nexus
idk outlaw is just fked by more than just dumb hardcapped
without a hard cap it at least doesn't feel as bad though, it doesn't fix the downtime problem but at least it would have a niche
fathom bramble
I guess it doesn't quite do negative damage
vivid vessel
idk if you were there yesterday
i did a key with a real player playuing a real spec
this was before third boss of flood
fathom bramble
looks about right
vivid vessel
that was only a 17
vapid blaze
without a hard cap it at least doesn't feel as bad though, it doesn't fix the do...
well downtime/uptime problems
no burst
no haste scaling
killing spree
🙂
fathom bramble
changing our hardcap to a soft one doesn't even really givee us a niche
vivid vessel
I mean there is this Chinese dk that did 7+ mil overall in a floodgate
fathom bramble
it just slightly adjusts our anti-niche of doing no damage on the important packs
fathom bramble
it's a change that would still leave us as weak on those packs btw
vivid vessel
I'm litteraly doing half the damage
fathom bramble
it just lets us not be under the tank
vivid vessel
Of a dk
fathom bramble
hopefully
vivid vessel
Btw
vapid blaze
and then you have arcane
doing 10mil on 5 targets
doing 1,5times our singletarget 😄
torpid fiber
it's bc blizzard thinks specs should have niches!!!! (None of the hard capped specs are bis at their niche)
fathom bramble
you say none of like there's more than 1 hardcapped spec
vapid blaze
well mm is pretty good at lower count that isnt 2
and outlaw is good on 2 (and shit at the rest)
fathom bramble
yes I know that 1 warrior spec comes somewhat close
wide nexus
optimal outlaw gameplay in cinderbrew
torpid fiber
fury is hardcapped except for all the cds that aren't right
haughty wigeon
fury cds arnt harcapped
torpid fiber
yeyeye
fathom bramble
the most important thing for big packs being softcapped is pretty convenient
haughty wigeon
outlaw has no cds
vivid vessel
it's bc blizzard thinks specs should have niches!!!! (None of the hard capped sp...
how is it that im losing against the uncapped spec, without cds, under my target cap
haughty wigeon
therefor has no cds that are soft capped
torpid fiber
fury cds arnt harcapped
that's what I meant
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
cause that litteraly what happened this key btw
torpid fiber
how is it that im losing against the uncapped spec, without cds, under my target...
because blizzard hates you
vivid vessel
i lost every pack
fathom bramble
it also goes against the entire point of caps
haughty wigeon
caps are dumb
vivid vessel
at some point
fathom bramble
I remind everyone again that the point of caps was to reign in large scale burst aoe
haughty wigeon
uncap outlaw
fathom bramble
while more sustained damage was explicitly stated as something that wouldn't be capped
polar niche
vapid blaze
while more sustained damage was explicitly stated as something that wouldn't be ...
they got that backwards dont they
fathom bramble
they got that backwards dont they
idk they got lost somewhere since that original bluepost
I'm pretty sure the reason got lost at some point or they just changed the intended design without saying anything
like dragon released with a ton of uncapped burst aoe so
torpid fiber
Look liquid max finally played wow again and tried playing ww in keys and realised that being capped (and ww is soft iirc!!!) feels like dogshit so maybe now that a single content creator has complained about it they'll change it
novel socket
max is not just a content creator tho
the chances of something changing are bigger
if he says it
viral bison
no class changes until hof closes
hof?
vivid vessel
isnt hof already closesd
fallen knot
2: did they actually disabled turning off cpu profiling?
viral bison
ahh
novel socket
top 200 guilds that clear mythic
torpid fiber
max is not just a content creator tho
yeah when I saw that an episode of poddyc was titled smth complaining about target caps I got a small bit of hope
it's just crazy hard caps still exist though ngl
viral bison
it is closed i guess
vivid vessel
also thats not true they nerfed priest and had to nerf every boss to compensate
novel socket
it is closed i guess
not yet
fathom bramble
they also nerfed outlaw by 5-10% 🙂
fallen knot
anyone pls
viral bison
they also nerfed outlaw by 5-10% 🙂
wait rly?
novel socket
fathom bramble
but in the game for months and it gets fixed only when we start extracting value from it
torpid fiber
also that one trinket hotfix was functionally an outlaw nerf
fathom bramble
and fixed in a nearly unprecedented way too
on a random friday at 6pm with no compensation
torpid fiber
But yeah I think coup bugfix was somewhat worse because it created really fucked up incentives
vivid vessel
positives bug fix speedrun
novel socket
hof is probably gonna be closed this week or early next
fathom bramble
we better not miss our spot somehow
novel socket
last guild on 7/8 is rank 209
fathom bramble
gotta kill mug and one arm again to get our hof now
torpid fiber
They're probably going to wait for MDI to be over for class changes at this point
idk I think meaningful changes would come with a patch not hotfix
fathom bramble
They're probably going to wait for MDI to be over for class changes at this poin...
shit like this being almost certainly true is what makes me hate the MDI
torpid fiber
it's just so awkwardly timed tbh
I get why they're doing it now but like
No changes bc of hof->no changes bc of mdi
novel socket
do they give a shit for mdi ?
fathom bramble
there's only 119 guilds actually in the hall of fame due to the number that didn't correctly get it awarded
torpid fiber
idk I still think any meaningful positive outlaw changes aren't coming in hotfixes anyways
lime lake
do they give a shit for mdi ?
mdi is pretty big so yeah probably
novel socket
there's only 119 guilds actually in the hall of fame due to the number that didn...
oh damn
fathom bramble
we have to go back and kill one arm and mug again since we didn't get ours
lime lake
and they just changed the format up so they'll want to mess with it as little as possible
novel socket
we have to go back and kill one arm and mug again since we didn't get ours
you need to be fast
fathom bramble
and blizz doesn't feel like crawling through a very short list of guilds to fix it
vapid blaze
Look liquid max finally played wow again and tried playing ww in keys and realis...
some ww shit is capped at below 2x at 30 targets
novel socket
or you will lose your spot
most likely
blizz wont fix shit
unlikely you lose hof at all but its still sadge and a spit to the face to finish in a worse rank than the one you originally got
grim spear
I don’t get what’s so important about the MDI. Watching a bunch of teams use the same specs, same strategies, and run the same dungeons is mind-numbingly boring
fathom bramble
some people enjoy esports
novel socket
didn't they say this time they will make it so you can't use the same specs on every run ?
fathom bramble
and it exists for them
novel socket
to force diversity
torpid fiber
some ww shit is capped at below 2x at 30 targets
wdym, like at 30 targets you do 2x the single target damage total across all 30 targets?
grim spear
They should take a page from LoL Worlds—drop a game-changing patch right before the tournament and let the players figure out the meta themselves.
fathom bramble
that would honestly be much more interesting
jolly geyser
That would be good
fathom bramble
or have a mid tournament patch to see how players adapt
vapid blaze
nah
conduit is hardcapped at 130% of original damage even at 30 targets (as in overlal)
sotwl aoe part is fully split
lime lake
i mean fearless draft is kind of them experimenting in that vein
jolly geyser
Im not big fan of rwf or mdi in general
lime lake
i fucking love rwf and tgp
silk stirrup
Has Blizz said anything of when Puzzling cartel chips will be available?
lime lake
mdi was a bit boring but new mdi is just tgp
fathom bramble
idk if you ask me companies focusing too much on their esports scene has great potential to ruin the game
lime lake
but i just love watching that stuff
i mean yeah theres potential but i dont think wow is anywhere near that point
wicked acorn
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
- DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not
AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points. - After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF into 
Stealth. - Open on pack with AR into BtE.
fathom bramble
I think delaying class balance in favor of race to world first or MDI is definitely nearing it
fathom bramble
not quite 'ruined' like some league champions that get to just be shit due to leagues competitive scene
runic bough
yeah so
novel socket
meanwhile dota has 1-3 heroes only to never be picked in esports
vapid blaze
I think delaying class balance in favor of race to world first or MDI is definit...
we can also attribute alot to blizzard just sucking at balancing
novel socket
out of the 100+
then they release a huge 5 pages of notes patch
and its a different game
fathom bramble
we can also attribute alot to blizzard just sucking at balancing
being bad at balancing has nothing to do with conveniently waiting for race to world first to be over for any tuning to happen
novel socket
fathom bramble
or needing fyrakk to be dead in your region for the legendary to drop
vapid blaze
they did try atleast during nerub
novel socket
what you mean
they murdered warriors in nerub
because they were being stacked in world first
torpid fiber
or needing fyrakk to be dead in your region for the legendary to drop
ok tbf I think this was actually kinda cool although it probably should have been global after the first kill instead of per region
lime lake
yeah i agree
novel socket
the class was nuked from orbit
lime lake
was kind of cool but after first kill global just drop it
novel socket
but shamans were allowed to continue being broken because ion played them
lime lake
the class was nuked from orbit
good fuck warriors
fathom bramble
idk it just feels like trying to prevent an item from disrupting the race too much
by locking it
of course the legendary ended up being so weak it probably wouldn't have disrupted anything
I don't think it's as much of a problem as the general rwf raid balance we are seeing anyway
lime lake
i mean it was definitely locked to prevent some guild getting insanely lucky and getting it mid race on heroic yeah
fathom bramble
it's kind of a side thing idc too much
lime lake
but i also just think it was a cool thing
torpid fiber
I think the bigger issue with the legendary weapon was the drop chance rather than it releasing 2 weeks into the tier
novel socket
of course the legendary ended up being so weak it probably wouldn't have disrupt...
are you talking about fyralath ?
all the plate classes were balanced around it tho
lime lake
not like it really effected anyone anyway, you lose out on one miniscule chance at it dropping on heroic week one
novel socket
it was not weak
vapid blaze
not like it really effected anyone anyway, you lose out on one miniscule chance ...
theyd just split more
have fun
fathom bramble
it was very undertuned at the start and got buffed more than once
quartz patio
Let's say I don't have broadside buff and I'm in Subterfuge. Do I use BtE on cd or dispatch?
novel socket
oh
lime lake
theyd just split more
have fun
not what i said
fathom bramble
I think future similar legendaries should be a 100% drop rate from some kind of quest that is a set number of weeks in
get quest kill last boss on heroic
get legendary item
lime lake
yeah i agree
novel socket
yeah either that or
dont make a legendary
it sucks dick having your class balanced around it
lime lake
legendaries are cool
torpid fiber
Put the legendary on the renown track
novel socket
and if you dont have it you cant compete with those that have it
lime lake
but if its from a quest you can compete because you do have it
fathom bramble
it sucks dick having your class balanced around it
true
lime lake
so thats not an issue
but yeah having your class balanced around it i can agree kind of sucks
fallen knot
solution: just make 10x of the same class
fathom bramble
well if it's like 4 weeks in then you might have a competition issue
fallen knot
so you have 10x the chance of dropping
fathom bramble
if it's when mythic opens then maybe not
fallen knot
PlAyEr ReTeNtIon
fallen knot
mop cloaks were fine
lime lake
not rng drops and everyone could get them
torpid fiber
i enjoyed sl legendaries tbf
fallen knot
also mop cloaks had bis transmog
torpid fiber
bc they had class/spec-specific effects instead of generic ones
wintry solar
Their legendaries haven't been more than glamorous trinkets in weapon slots
quartz patio
if I don't have broadside buff and I'm in Subterfuge, do I still use BtE on cd or use dispatch?
torpid fiber
ur bte cd in subterfuge is 0
fallen knot
pretty sure it's BtE in subterfuge always
torpid fiber
you use bte every time you should use a finisher in subterfuge
the entire point of the build is to spam bte in stealth
fallen knot
again wrong
quaint wharf
wintry solar
You're all wrong
lime lake
no u
wintry solar
It's actually to drop stealth in bs ways and die to KS while trying to get adr back
runic bough
legendaries are lame the way they become useless in the next expansion
lime lake
i think the point of outlaw is to diagnose adhd
runic bough
should transfer ilvl for legendaries
torpid fiber
i think the point of outlaw is to diagnose adhd
oh then does that mean bc i have a diagnosis i can't play it
wintry solar
It's actually to drop stealth in bs ways and die to KS while trying to get adr b...
This made me realize I HATE this spec
HATE IT
RAHHH
runic bough
i already feel the ks pain
lime lake
oh then does that mean bc i have a diagnosis i can't play it
yeah once you know you arent allowed to play it
torpid fiber
fuck
wintry solar
I'm at work and it's still pissing me off
I need something new
That's more than moving a talent point from one passive to another
torpid fiber
have you tried rhythm games
torpid fiber
based
wintry solar
I'm pretty good
torpid fiber
i'm mid tbh
wintry solar
Gn outlawer
lime lake
degens in na
wintry solar
You're welcome
torpid fiber
no
arctic hollow
untill tomorow reset
unreal drum
untill tomorow reset
it was todays reset that post was last night
fallen knot
yes but
fallen knot
7am pdt is 16 ceyt
wide flare
vivid vessel
it was todays reset that post was last night
Post was after eu reset tho
And they said
wide flare
what do you guys think? gems or the ring?
fallen knot
nothing happens at 16:00 in eu
vivid vessel
Which is 16:00 eu
Except
There is no server restart at that time in eu
So wtf is it
lime lake
eu doesnt exist
vivid vessel
They litteraly forgot other region existed