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#outlaw
frail veldt
runic bough
Well that suggestion making ks do more dmg is only for blizzard since they think it was a good ability to group with trickster.
runic bough
Nobody actually wants to use ks.
frail veldt
ks doing more damage would suck
frail veldt
we dont need it on KS
latent oak
we dont need a nuke button
latent belfry
im still a strong supporter of ks just being pirates that come out for like 2secs or sum
frail veldt
I mean a cooldown would go hard on outlaw I think we could use one
personally
but thats more of a subjective take
runic bough
Enjoy low dps because we don't have a proper tuning on dmg of our abilities and only a one button nerfed aoe.
We need to encourage a proper aoe finisher or a nuke ability.
latent oak
if we had a nuke button who says that would have 'proper tuning'
frail veldt
were just hard capped thats the big issue
and yeah these mechanical changes dont imply good tuning
those are entirely different subjects
being uncapped makes it more likely* that we are viable in high keys(in my opinion)
runic bough
Ks is a major factor since it brings down the quality of trickster play.
latent oak
no one is saying ks is a healthy ability
frail veldt
Ks is a major factor since it brings down the quality of trickster play.
ks sucks bro
we all know that
it needs to be reworked
runic bough
Yes so it is still relevant in the grand scheme of outlaw.
frail veldt
we never said it wasnt...
wary wind
Tbh they made trickster KS centric because they are legitimately out of ideas for rogue. Same reason our slight rework last patch was the supercharger thing which is insanely boring
frail veldt
youre severely mixing things up
youre suggesting gameplay changes
and implying they will improve balance
those dont necessarily have correlations
runic bough
Yeah
frail veldt
they could fix KS tomorrow
and we could still suck
they could also NOT fix KS tomorrow
and they could buff us 20%
and wed be insane
runic bough
If they don't want to rework our kit, then upgrade our current buttons is all.
runic bough
So we are just going to stay undertuned
runic bough
Rework is asking too much for this company bro
frail veldt
okay ryu lets slow this down
tuning is something that needs to happen every patch
every season
if you arent tuned to be good you fall behind
BUT GAMEPLAY
will stay good
as long as they dont fuck it up
runic bough
Outlaw is ignored most tuning patches what is your point?
bright crane
It’s like Groundhog Day in here sometimes
wary wind
I mean they will say “we reworked rogue last xpac and also changed them last patch” I think they’re not going to be doing more to change rogue for a while
frail veldt
Outlaw is ignored most tuning patches what is your point?
my point is use your brain when thinking about what the spec actually !needs!
wanting the spec to be OP is short sighted af
glass mortar
there is zero reason to ever buff kspree, just buff bte or dispatch or base outlaw
all u do by buffing kspree is make it more punishing when content disables it
make it more of a dps loss when u need to hold it or send it at 1cp
etc
frail veldt
I fully accept that tuning is borderline random in wow. I would rather they improve some aspects of outlaw gameplay like they have done with bug fixes and like what outlaw needs with a KS rework/uncapping bladeflurry and let that result in potentially more players on the spec and better tuning down the road potentially
wary wind
What’s like the core gameplay elements of outlaw yall think should stay, which you don’t care about one way or another, and what should be yeeted and deleted forever
glass mortar
its not useless
frail veldt
begging for a raw flat buff is just dumb
glass mortar
u dont need to buff the top damage source of a spec for a buff to be useful
cinder relic
Our tier isn't useless..?
frail veldt
our tier is insanely strong
glass mortar
if the tier set buffed dispatch by 500% and it was 3% of our damage it would be a pretty big buff regardless
latent oak
But its not our top finisher
unholy's tier set doesnt buff its top damage either
does that make it useless?
glass mortar
our tier set isnt useless, neither would be buffing dispatch
the only danger of buffing dispatch is it buffs kir more then HO which is something they need to keep in mind
my point is, no reason to buff kspree
would be a very silly decision
runic bough
unholy's tier set doesnt buff its top damage either
I'd imagine meta specs have way more useful tier sets though??
frail veldt
I'd imagine meta specs have way more useful tier sets though??
nope
hidden bay
Any dinar news?
runic bough
Hmm
cinder relic
I'd imagine meta specs have way more useful tier sets though??
That isn't how the game has ever worked, no
wary wind
It would just be doubling down on gameplay no one likes
runic bough
Ok I guess
frail veldt
tuning is literally just random
wary wind
K I’m going to get my back blown out be back later
glass mortar
tierset is just another part of ur tuning package
frail veldt
or at least should be treated as such
runic bough
But I remember some classes getting nice dmg boosts and then there's outlaw with a good .000001% dmg tier set
glass mortar
our current tier set is easily 10% tho
latent oak
outlaw tier set isnt even that bad numerically no?
runic bough
Hmm
glass mortar
it is not
magic shuttle
It's very good
frail veldt
But I remember some classes getting nice dmg boosts and then there's outlaw with...
our current tier is very strong
glass mortar
its slightly above middle of the pack iirc
frail veldt
ryu youre kinda just speaking nonsense rn lol
magic shuttle
It's also good in the sense that it made Ho competitive again
runic bough
Okay I need to take break
frail veldt
DM?
glass mortar
kspre is a problem for outlaw because of its design and what it does, not because of its damage
cinder relic
Ele isn't that good
sleek bobcat
sorry wrong channel 😄
frail veldt
oh wrong chat lol
glass mortar
thats why we think talking about buffing kspree is silly
latent oak
sorry wrong channel 😄
gunn abe cooldown reduction from affix
cinder relic
BM gains 18% from tier set, and isn't MM better rn?
latent oak
doesnt apply to trinkets
cinder relic
FDK gains 15% from their tier, and FDK is ass
frail veldt
gunn abe cooldown reduction from affix
oh good comms
frail veldt
BM gains 18% from tier set, and isn't MM better rn?
ye
cinder relic
Dev evoker has a 8% tier set, and is one of the best raid specs in the game
sleek bobcat
gunn abe cooldown reduction from affix
ohhhh 😄 didnt play any 12 or lower for so long i forgot
cinder relic
How strong your tier is has nothing to do with how strong a spec is broadly speaking in the meta
sleek bobcat
thank you very much
latent oak
ya its a bit annoying when u dip down for weeklies and it messes up trinket timing
glass mortar
very rarely we get outlandish tier sets that break a spec and blizzard doesnt fix
sleek bobcat
yes I was constantly chcecking if i mactivating it right 😄
glass mortar
like survival/destro season in shadowlands
runic bough
Yeah I can see that, tier set is more focused on currently playstyle they want you to play like perhaps
latent oak
also current outlaw tier is gunna be alot better for ppl who do the rotation less optimially right
glass mortar
but tier sets r just another part of ur tuning package at the start of the season and dont ultimatly determine how strong u are
latent oak
since more of ur damage will come from dispatch
glass mortar
pretty sure WWs set is one of the smaller ones this season and they r still very very good in raid
cinder relic
ya ww has like a 6% 0>4 pc
WW was the best melee this raid
The only thing that matters is the final DPS number
You can have a 15% tier and be shit (FDK) or have a 6% tier and be OP (WW)
tulip quarry
Hey boys do we have insight on the top head enchant, since the patch is tomorrow ? ^^
tulip quarry
glass mortar
yeup just alt catchup and leveling stuff i think on release?
latent oak
dw, im sure u get ur bis trinket from vault on reset
covert kestrel
everyone tell uncle blizzard we all love drip feed content
tulip quarry
dw, im sure u get ur bis trinket from vault on reset
Thanks bro 😄
runic bough
Drip feed nom nom
covert kestrel
yeup just alt catchup and leveling stuff i think on release?
tbh so goated for my second rogue and monk im gearing up so i can ez get lfr and normal tier appearances for both 
runic bough
Enjoy our drips frontier
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble was waiting for cheat to come off cd so i could start pressing ks again
unfortunate insta proc
:)
latent oak
thats just effiencient usage of the proc
glass mortar
getting peak mileage out of that talent
vivid vessel
cause htis boss
glass mortar
CD on cd
glass mortar
u can do it in p2 its ok
glass mortar
i complained about this like
vivid vessel
wait nvm
glass mortar
a month ago
vivid vessel
ks is absolute trash
latent oak
which jump actually put u in the aoe tho
looked like u missed them all
is it this one?
vivid vessel
no
bugged invisible last one
its not stagger
its the stagger bug
where it doesnt stagger
latent oak
oh ya u said before
potent gyro
Just pay attention to where you’re KS is going to port you
vivid vessel
ye mb
potent gyro
Noob
vivid vessel
will do ty
glass mortar
i died to that on a rookery first boss last night
potent gyro
Just look around the mob you’re targeting and assume you could port anywhere around it gg
Never been hit
glass mortar
got hit by a swirl during the final teleport animation as it was ending
mashed cloak as i was finishing
died before my animationlock ended
🙂
runic bough
I'm just kinda sadge guys
potent gyro
WHAT
runic bough
I was enjoying outlaw this week
potent gyro
My king is sad ??
runic bough
But the meter is so embarrasing
glass mortar
ur meters r always gunna be sad if ur dodging kspree
the builds that use it are laughably ahead of any build without it anytime blade flurry is a damage source
so basically anytime u have more then 1 target
just the way it is
🤷
latent oak
with tier and ks u can still blast in 10s ryu
glass mortar
sure in the keys zacs doing
hybrid crown
I did 4.8 mil overall in a priory that was pretty neat
cinder relic
If Ur just doing 10s outlaw is fine lol
latent oak
ya same
potent gyro
Outlaw in 10s bangs
glass mortar
the thing is, outlaw can reach almost to its ceiling in +10s
cd specs cant
thats why cd specs scale better into higher keys
latent belfry
mashed cloak as i was finishing
this is why you should be able to cast that shit INSIDE of KS😭 hate blizzrd yo, there r actually a million ways to make this move better
patent mirage
this is why you should be able to cast that shit INSIDE of KS😭 hate blizzrd yo...
exactly
and yet they didnt bother to rework it at all
hybrid crown
I'm pretty sure triple outlaw can triple chest every 10 as fatebound HO
cinder relic
"If you are pushing the highest content possible you are forced to play the better spec"
still matrix
True...
latent belfry
im learning that the hard way ever since reaching 3.1k.....
still matrix
Is sub competitive at all?
cinder relic
More st less aoe than sin
still matrix
In keys
Makes sense
I was so surprised with how poo sin st was
Thought it was juicer st
latent oak
zeross thinks sub is big in some keys i think
cinder relic
Sin has to swap its entire talent tree for aoe damage
cinder relic
So it loses a lot of it's ST damage talents
late swallow
So it loses a lot of it's ST damage talents
don't need the apostrophe in "its" king
bright crane
don't need the apostrophe in "its" king
bright crane
Did he submit a vod or a log of his grammar
covert kestrel
guy told me to keep track of it
guy told me he's going to blow me up 
glass mortar
thats awful
late swallow
guy told me i've been a good boy and that if I continue to behave, I'd get a treat
glass mortar
uhuh and did it make you feel a way when he called you a good boy
covert kestrel
guy told me i've been a good boy and that if I continue to behave, I'd get a tre...
don't repress your goon
cinder relic
enough
late swallow
uhuh and did it make you feel a way when he called you a good boy
underhanded underhand?
latent oak
i was gunna make a comment about enjoying his weirdly long fingers but i thought it was best to not
glass mortar
we've had underhanded upperhand, what about upperhanded underhand?
cold jewel
underhanded underhand?
it's underhanded upper hand king
bright crane
What about overfooted underfoot
You know cause Blizz got a feet thing going on this patch
cinder relic
no shes the main antagonist of the next 2 expansions iirc
So we wont fight her for like, 5+ years
vagrant minnow
Ye she is
bright crane
WHOA
runic bough
glass mortar
shes too smart to fight us directly
bright crane
So does that mean we get more feet?
glass mortar
its gunna take awhile to pin her down for sure
vagrant minnow
We’re likely just going to fight ethereals next
bright crane
5 years of feet action baby
glass mortar
especially now that the ethereals stole her super magic stone yea
runic bough
Her feet have perma evasion
cinder relic
Yeah next patch will be ethereals
Then next expac is "midnight" no idea on what that entails
covert kestrel
So does that mean we get more feet?
the final raid is fighting on her feet like we did on deathwings back
cinder relic
Maybe voidlords finally
hybrid crown
There's a guild on my server called Xalataths foot men I'm glad they will stay relevant
glass mortar
didnt they say there was gunna be a lot on elf lore in midnight
bright crane
the final raid is fighting on her feet like we did on deathwings back
Gotta jump between her toes
glass mortar
makes me wonder where they plan it to be
covert kestrel
is it midnight > last titan or the other way aroun
glass mortar
that way yes
haughty wigeon
Did u read it atleast?
patent mirage
if xalatath is the final boss would she drop any boots
patent mirage
more like sandals
glass mortar
the end of the expac is crafting a legendary pair of boots to finally cover her goddamn toes
and by putting them on she loses all her power
late swallow
i'll buy the rest of the raid time by covering her feet with my mouth
glass mortar
or we just trap her in a pair of sentient boots like she was a dagger before
late swallow
tuskarr would be insane
patent mirage
the fish people
latent oak
im perma blubbed up
late swallow
blubbery muffin OP
latent oak
the real tragedy of this xpac is https://www.wowhead.com/item=222749/melted-candlebar
isnt usable in combat
bright crane
Idk I just think that this was a really big missed opportunity for Blizz to license “who let the dogs out” when showing her feet
Immersion or w/e
vagrant minnow
Did u read it atleast?
Hell no.
I’m going to start pinging you with fixes in other discords young remby 
patent mirage
or the sethrak
haughty wigeon
Hell no.
I’m going to start pinging you with fixes in other discords young remby...
vivid vessel
bro
this is the first season
i cant find a lust class
cause only lust rn is mage, which is unplayable with outlaw
and then you need a resto shaman
or idk a hunter ??
how crazy is it that you cant find a lust in 2025
vivid vessel
ye
i legit dont know what to do
i m doing my key right
now that resilient is a thing
and well outlaw is outlaw
but you legit cant get a lust
unless you find the one and only resto shaman
everyone plays priest
late swallow
everyone plays priest
you're not playing zacsham anymore?
latent oak
dev
silk stirrup
Need this macro for killing Spree
latent oak
do other evokers exist?
austere mantle
what can lust
mm has it's own built in lust now
Evoker
Mage
Shaman
Hunter (pet or mm spell)
latent oak
havent seen any
vivid vessel
do other evokers exist?
i played a few keys with a dev
but like
there is 2 dev players in eu basically
vivid vessel
mm has it's own built in lust now
Evoker
Mage
Shaman
Hunter (pet or mm spell)
ye well that aint enough
vivid vessel
wish a preservation would queue to my keys
latent oak
i know this isnt a new idea or anything but why doesnt warrior have lust
glass mortar
not a fun season to play press
frail veldt
or idk a hunter ??
Just go full physical
glass mortar
so much bullshit in these dungeons
mines and shit
and the tier set is full focused around VE
latent oak
is it just bc of no tanks having it?
vivid vessel
Just go full physical
bro you saying this like
frail veldt
Lolol
vivid vessel
the queues look like this my guiy
and usually like
190 dks
10 dks
how tf am i finding a lust bro
frail veldt
Fair
latent oak
buff drums
hidden bay
thats rough
frail veldt
You just don't ig
bright crane
I wish they didn’t nerf drums
hidden bay
make all raid buffs exist if you have 5 unique classes in a key ez
vivid vessel
please yeet raid buffs from the game
and
this is litteraly yhe first season this is an issue
but lust
bright crane
Bloodlust sounds more like a war ability than anything else
bright crane
100%
bright crane
I really do think all healers should have lust and res
latent oak
it makes more sense for tank to have lust and healers res i guess
bright crane
Idc if it’s not “thematic”
late swallow
warrior lust would bang
pearl trout
Thematics and class identity died a long time ago
bright crane
Not to Blizz
bright crane
And ppl on here will still circle jerk about class identity from time to time
So ppl do still care about it
(I don’t)
austere mantle
warrior lust would bang
my brother constantly touts that it should be warriors that get bloodlust, not shamans
tbf, do ANY tanks have lust???
late swallow
my brother constantly touts that it should be warriors that get bloodlust, not s...
0 leather and 0 plate classes have lust
pearl trout
Every class can have a lust just force it to their thematic, Outlaw can get a bloodlust called "Blessing of the flying Dutchman" or some shit idc 💀
late swallow
bro said "blessing of the flying dutchman"
austere mantle
0 leather and 0 plate classes have lust
late swallow
bright crane
Yeah all healers only. No tank or dps should be able to lust or res
austere mantle
bro said "blessing of the flying dutchman"
ARE YA READY KIDS
frail veldt
0 leather and 0 plate classes have lust
Well no tanks have lust that's the design
frail veldt
Yeah all healers only. No tank or dps should be able to lust or res
I mean that's the same as just removing lust
bright crane
That’s my belief and I’m sticking to it
frail veldt
Or giving it to everyone
bright crane
Why? If you’re in a healer role, you get it
late swallow
i don't think blizz would ever give it to everyone
frail veldt
Every group has a healer bro lol
bright crane
If a monk goes ww, it loses it
pearl trout
Sadly no
late swallow
if anything, warrior would get it
frail veldt
So it would play out the same as all tanks having it
pearl trout
We could have the 1st tank with Lust of they went the tank route with Augmentation instead of whatever it is now
frail veldt
If all of one role has it then it just becomes baseline to the game
bright crane
Yeah what’s wrong with that
late swallow
blizzard should make all the specs the exact same, just give the abilities different skins
bright crane
Make it baseline for healer specializations
untold yarrow
give every healer a lust
frail veldt
Make it baseline for healer specializations
Just make it baseline
The healer part is irrelevant
That's what you're saying
patent mirage
wonder how warrior doesnt have bloodlust
because you know warriors would make sense
frail veldt
wonder how warrior doesnt have bloodlust
Cuz no tanks have it
bright crane
Why is healer part irrelevant
If I’m a WW monk, I can’t res or lust. If I’m MW I can
latent oak
if 100% of healers have it, u make no group desicions based of lust
bright crane
That’s fine with me
latent oak
which is the same as if everyone had it
frail veldt
If I’m a WW monk, I can’t res or lust. If I’m MW I can
You're never just a ww monk
You're in a group
Of 5 people
With at least 1 of each role
So if you give lust to every class of a role
You always have lust in group
And the role you give it to is irrelevant
giving every healer lust is the same as giving every dps lust is the same as giving every tank lust
frail veldt
the problem with removing lust
is the same with the problem of removing any raid buff
you actually lower diversity
cuz then it becomes even easier to pick the best spec
when all healers have lust
you just bring the best healer
hybrid crown
The real solution is to give outlaw lust
frail veldt
homogenization of kits results in less diversity
hybrid crown
Only outlaw tho
frail veldt
and in general makes the game worse
pearl trout
Delete lust, nerf everything HP %
civic zephyr
Give healers rez and tanks lust
The top .1% is playing what’s best regardless of thst change
Don’t let me suffer because I have neither and every group needs to fill that first before you can even think of deciding to invite a rogue
untold yarrow
i feel like there are more FOTM rerollers every season
and it gets worse and worse
if you dont play fotm / have a team
its gg
haughty wigeon
Give healers rez and tanks lust
this doesnt really fix anything
desert tendon
But for one tricks
haughty wigeon
you'll still fotm to whatever spec has a 1% increwase
desert tendon
Start by diseabling all raid buff in m+
haughty wigeon
we shouldnt advocate for homogenization of utility and kitz
they dipped their toes in that in WOD when they gave every class a raid buff
it sucked major balls
and you still classstacked
desert tendon
currently
unless every 4 druids specs are beyong garbage
they still bring +3% damage fro everyone
untold yarrow
there used to be more variety at "mid" keys
desert tendon
than a blizzard thing
untold yarrow
yeah
desert tendon
can blizzard tune it better? Yea ofc
haughty wigeon
blizzard cant fix community perception
sullen wyvern
https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-winds-of-mysterious-fortune-event-preview-and-launch-trailer-xp-and-376476 So nice of blizzard so we outlaw players can reroll faster 
desert tendon
But can people stop be morons and play normal comps instead of trying to be kira
haughty wigeon
the appearance of resi keys also making it a issue
desert tendon
yea ofc they could
resi keys is so weird
cuz the idea is so goood
and it helps filling the lfg and all
but once again, community selling them
gg
bright crane
https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-winds-of-mysterious-fortune-event-preview-and-l...
Blizz does this all the time
haughty wigeon
But can people stop be morons and play normal comps instead of trying to be kira
sadly the community is just so far up streamer anus
that they think they need godcomp for 12's
haughty wigeon
sadly blizzard cant fix that even without consistent tuning
desert tendon
but u know
haughty wigeon
cause people will start whining about
haughty wigeon
"they cant nerf my comp! or the season will be OVER!"
desert tendon
thanks to wox and co
haughty wigeon
when its not even half way in the season
haughty wigeon
cuz lfg also see some physical comp
this is already seeing traction
people are starting to ask if bear and warrior are sleeper
whether or not thats a good thing is yet to be see
sullen wyvern
At the end of the day, if you can play wiht friends that can invite your ass and not care about comp. that's the best thing you can do.
haughty wigeon
yep
sullen wyvern
Unfortunately player Bias towards/against comps/classes/heroes exist in every game
bright crane
At the end of the day, if you can play wiht friends that can invite your ass and...
Friends? What’s that?
sullen wyvern
Take league for example, you are scum if you main teemo (I mained teemo), Easily got GM a couple times being a 'disgusting OTP rat'
But people has a BIas against it because of their own subjective perception of the champion + streamers
That's gonna happen in every game
Most recent example is MR with certain heroes like Scarlet Witch for example
or Adam Warlock
If you are a support and youre not playing meta = youyre trolling and you get shit on voice chat
desert tendon
this is already seeing traction
and again i think the tuning rn is not that awfull and everything is playable. Just need a comp that makes sens. Rsham goes so good with gdrood / warprot no cap
sullen wyvern
I mained Peni to eternity on 1 account and 2 ohter accoutbns to celestial, people tend to ruin their own game experience with their Bias
desert tendon
just build a comp that make sens
sullen wyvern
I had a SV hunter on a priory 10 yesterday, I was farming a trinket on my priest
MF did almost 5 mill overall
haughty wigeon
and again i think the tuning rn is not that awfull and everything is playable. J...
yep
but unless more streamers play that
people are just gonna insta lock disc and vdh
twilit nest
rogue dead as always
desert tendon
people just follow streamers dumbly they cant think at all
he left after aug got released
we can understand why
bright crane
😦
desert tendon
he didnt like also the way that every thing brought off healing and stuff and blablabla
gaunt phoenix
Fuck aug
twilit nest
censi i saw you in logs leaderboard youre cool wit it
desert tendon
fick dogmantation
gaunt phoenix
Community collectively agrees aug was a mistake is good
desert tendon
censi i saw you in logs leaderboard youre cool wit it
???????
gaunt phoenix
One thing to unite upon
desert tendon
no hate they tried
desert tendon
hate they kept it to the top level for 3 seasons
untold yarrow
nah
desert tendon
i mean they tried
untold yarrow
as in only 1
desert tendon
they can try they can fail it s ok
untold yarrow
instead of one for multiple classes
desert tendon
nah fk aug and fk devs who thought that would be a good idea
untold yarrow
yeah wow doesnt work with a support class
imo
either they're OP and must haves or giga leeches zero value
untold yarrow
no in-between
desert tendon
aug isnt a support class
it s a dps class with fuckton of utilities
dont call aug a support class when he was top dm for 2 seasons in m+
while bringing 4 aoe stops and mass shields and bursts and 30 ilvl to a tank
untold yarrow
suppot in a sense that their dps wasn't direct on the meters
or did tehy figure out how to calculate it in the end
desert tendon
oh yea i can script my details and not show myself on the meters
untold yarrow
on logs and details
untold yarrow
yeah but that would only work for your details
wary wind
Biggest issue with aug is that it synergizes significantly better with some classes and damage profiles than others so when it’s meta it really tightens what else can be meta around it
untold yarrow
also PI has this issue
haughty wigeon
servers up
desert tendon
Biggest issue with aug is that it synergizes significantly better with some clas...
it s not even the biggest issue imo, it s one of the 120348123141 issues of the class
haughty wigeon
its biggest issues is the amount of hooks still not fixed
vivid vessel
me when i enter a key with a real spec against me
ignore mage
still looking for a good mage player
untold yarrow
good mage players found this season: 0
unreal drum
the good mages are so rare they aint pugging
some push team has them chained to a desk somewhere
vivid vessel
thoughts guys
untold yarrow
skill issue
clearly youre just not pressing the right buttons
if you're doing 1/3 of the DK dam
unreal drum
1 blood of life proc ez
wary wind
Good and balanced game
pearl trout
Reasonable
desert tendon
thoughts guys
u do too much damage for a tank, should get nerfed no cap
wary wind
Hey you are the king of 2 target cleave though
untold yarrow
taht one GCD
unreal drum
how dare you
desert tendon
washed up zac
untold yarrow
was worth 8m
desert tendon
losing a gcd
vivid vessel
only one blind here is you
wary wind
Even rogues uncapped spec can’t do that in aoe smh
vivid vessel
i dont see a frontal here
blind is also a global so
vivid vessel
Even rogues uncapped spec can’t do that in aoe smh
sin can
vivid vessel
outlaw tho
that spec so bad im competing with tank every key unluck
im closer to tank than dk
desert tendon
need better routes for ya
desert tendon
u need a squishvegan in your life zac
vivid vessel
otherwsie outlaw cant play
vivid vessel
desert tendon
like you play fully buffless
wary wind
At least outlaw makes up for the target cap by being highly desirable in raid right
haughty wigeon
physical comp
desert tendon
they realy tryharding mdr this season
also
bleed build
in physical comp is real stonks
but yea
desert tendon
bac quitting outlaw, i quitting outlaw, wox quitting outlaw
means so much on how bad is outlaw rn
vivid vessel
people will come in here
saying outalw is fine
cause its toppping in 10s
i cba man
this spec is so doomed
untold yarrow
tbh
desert tendon
untold yarrow
its not even topping in 10s
wary wind
Outlaw is topping in TOP
late swallow
outlaw is insane in raid!!!!! look at the wowhead post!!!!!!!
vivid vessel
this specs deserve to do 0 damage because all outlaw are delusional every tier
i swear i go back one month
everyone is yapping
about how outalw is broken in keys
desert tendon
typical people
desert tendon
outlaw is btter than everyone else in lower keys when noone has gear
wary wind
At least it’s very easy to swap between specs on rogue to play what’s best for the situation… r-right
vivid vessel
people that do + 2 weeklies
vivid vessel
ye its not true until you get blasted by
gear scaling
key level scaling
- target cap scaling
- 10 % nerf
pearl trout
blasted by reality
vivid vessel
ye rogue
wary wind
Vers classes always fall off
desert tendon
yea
let s be honest zac
playing a 3 dps spec class
i got it, it s bad that s it s always sub jail in prog
desert tendon
and then they randomely buff assa
desert tendon
nah
late swallow
mage just eating good across the board
late swallow
aren't all 3 mage specs just good right now
desert tendon
yes
untold yarrow
they are
desert tendon
they re all
vivid vessel
not class got 3 good specs
How is it
desert tendon
top 3 4 5
vivid vessel
That it's never outlaw
wary wind
When rogue as a class is down bad they just hit the buff sin button it’s the only spec people will play
desert tendon
i already disscussed that with ya
late swallow
rogue has two specs
desert tendon
i think
late swallow
boomer and sub
vivid vessel
Bro it's not even topping st sim
late swallow
outlaw can totally work, it just needs insane OP giga omega turbo tuning
wary wind
How long has outlaw been a flat damage profiles uptime spec?
desert tendon
this season is sucking more than more
haughty wigeon
How long has outlaw been a flat damage profiles uptime spec?
since its inception?
i guess legion can be argued that dreadblades and greed gave it burst
but in bfa
it was fairly a flatdamage profile uptime spec
vivid vessel
outlaw can totally work, it just needs insane OP giga omega turbo tuning
That's so cope
Ok look at this tier
Outlaw is almost the best spec on gally in my opinion
Make it do more st as it should
It's liken
10th st patchwerk sim rn
Remove ks
haughty wigeon
killing spreee
late swallow
outlaw just needs humble 30% aura buffs
vivid vessel
Bro you don't need all that
tight kernel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dpp9q8uKfpExca3mV3nrjA
According to sim, it wants me to grab mythic track honey buzzer. However reclear is today, should I hold off in case Geargrinders Keys drop? or send it on the buzzer
vivid vessel
Legit if outlaw did like not even 5% more st damage
And didn't have ks
You would be playing outlaw on gally
Prolly on oab
You would on sproket
late swallow
i want KS to be so good, that every half second of not pressing it, I'm losing millions of damage
vivid vessel
Like xd
gaunt phoenix
Buzzer is too annoying to use
desert tendon
outlaw isnt as rng as it used to be
u dont have extreme highs and extreme lows anymore
vivid vessel
Stop yapping about outlaw needing to be mega op Broken it's so far from the truth
latent oak
na ppl drop the vault screenshots
desert tendon
people talking about outlaw rng are just copium
untold yarrow
wait
late swallow
yapping about this at all is cringe
untold yarrow
but outlaw rng with 1 buff
is omega cringe
you do legit nothing
well you do nothing anyway, so even less
hidden bay
no better feeling than rolling 1 buff on first pull of dungeon
untold yarrow
what
hidden bay
can compete with healer instead of tank pog
untold yarrow
if u get 1 buff first 3 rolls in start of key
you are 1v1ing tank
for who is bottom
first pull most keys
tight kernel
Buzzer is too annoying to use
I agree, thats why I wanted to get a second opinion
hidden bay
if you go in with 1 buff during that bl first pull you wont compete with tank even
late swallow
you are 1v1ing tank
1 buff tank would btfo you
untold yarrow
ye
hidden bay
but thats the point of this season so i guess its ok
untold yarrow
so why you saying im not being serious xd
hidden bay
gamba season
lone spear
every spec has rng
this is ours
and a ~17% chance to not have good rolls (also play cto)
untold yarrow
what is DK rng
lone spear
is fine
lone spear
????
vivid vessel
and a ~17% chance to not have good rolls (also play cto)
bro
untold yarrow
to above tank dam
lone spear
literally how sanlayn works
hidden bay
idk boomkin rng
vivid vessel
when you get a good roll on pull or not
vivid vessel
you can have rng and not have lows that are so lows you are a tnak
hidden bay
i know mm rng is fucking wild but thats different cuz you baseline always do dmg and can proc to do infinite dmg
vivid vessel
why outalw gotta be legit worse at ev;erything btw
runic bough
Guys
hidden bay
we baseline do no dmg
glass mortar
Zac have u seen
glass mortar
The vault bug
runic bough
ALERT ALERT ⚠️ 📢
DONT OPEN VAULT YET TIL FIXED
vivid vessel
The vault bug
idc thats for na only
hidden bay
whats broken?
vivid vessel
fuck na
runic bough
They broke vault guys
vivid vessel
haughty wigeon
what is DK rng
blood beast
late swallow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871188656357015623/1364346236987113613/im...
blizz even said they can't fix this
hidden bay
id lose my shit if that happened
late swallow
the bluepost was like 'sorry bro'
hidden bay
alrd depressed i cant get weapon
late swallow
mandatory socket week for NA
runic bough
Welcome to NA you are punished for one week no vault.
hidden bay
tariffs on vaults bro
untold yarrow
Common EU W
abstract frost
They said this weeks vault. Which means EU start preparing that gem tomorrow
While it’s cheap
fast cloak
Get rid of vault and just give us currency to buy what we want 🤗
runic bough
Thanks zeross
proven ocean
latent oak
<a:alert:1145460578631028857> <a:alert:1145460578631028857> NA PLAYERS DO NOT OP...
they fucked either way lmao
proven ocean
WAIT TILL BUG FIX
latent oak
true actually are vault rewards determined on reset or on vault open
untold yarrow
OPEN VAULT
lone spear
i dont think its literally bricked from the ground up
vivid vessel
it says retroactive
depends
when is the reward calculated
when you open or before
runic bough
Lol they are like it like sucks for you bro Goodluck next week.
hidden bay
why dont they code the vault in a way they can reset it cuz
these issues pop up literally every time patch comes out
untold yarrow
why dont they code the vault in a way they can reset it cuz
legacy code
lone spear
has to be when u open, unless they load a vault for every spec on the reset
vivid vessel
has to be when u open, unless they load a vault for every spec on the reset
when you login for example
late swallow
blizz drop a patch without bricking the game challenge (impossible)
lone spear
could be, but that sounds wildly inefficient (so going off how blizz operate could be 
)
proven ocean
depends
stop yapping
it legit means
when u open vault
is when the item is being decided
not before
dawn talon
every spec has rng
what are you talking about
vivid vessel
where does it say that
dawn talon
there is literally nothing else with run-on variance
latent oak
thats pretty cool
dawn talon
there are iterations for outlaw where you roll gm 3 times and drop adr and do zdps
proven ocean
there u go
vivid vessel
i mean the post doesnt say that
dawn talon
no other spec in the entire game is subject to that
clear grove
Im tryin to see if I can set up outlaw ui without addons. Does the base game tell you how many procs of pistol shot you have somewhere other than where it lists all buffs? or does it only light up the button?
vivid vessel
Im tryin to see if I can set up outlaw ui without addons. Does the base game tel...
let me stop you right there
proven ocean
idk
lone spear
there are iterations for outlaw where you roll gm 3 times and drop adr and do zd...
in keys where damage on specific pulls matter, i agree it can be frustrating, but legit MM hunter can go from regular damage to jesus damage between pulls
vivid vessel
you cannot
proven ocean
but ye the ptr thing is real
late swallow
Im tryin to see if I can set up outlaw ui without addons. Does the base game tel...
light up button and upper right
late swallow
you legit can't play outlaw with blizz UI
vivid vessel
also if you are trying to play wow without addons you already lost
dont do that
please
its a stupid hill to die on
clear grove
you legit can't play outlaw with blizz UI
I know you couldnt, but im trying to figure out if cd manager changed that
vivid vessel
ye
cd manager shows ps as its in your bars
its not great for outalw tho
i tried it on ptr when it came out
maybe they changed some stuffs since then tho idk
haughty wigeon
just pay around with ti
vivid vessel
but ye its true i forgot that thingy was coming out
might be able to work without weak auras now
in a very scuffed way
i wouldnt hto
cause
why ?
craggy barn
do i take kezan for mythic prog shit or just grab the haste/vers weapon
vivid vessel
the game is basically built with the idea that you will be using addosn and weak auras
lone spear
so you can play day 1 of patch Pog
clear grove
Pistol shot is the only thing it seems like i cant track with it atm. Its tracking everything else i need pretty well
craggy barn
er i guess i just take kezan since i can get a 2nd crowd favorite in raid anyways huh
clear grove
pistol shots still there, but it doesnt tell me how many procs i have
vivid vessel
ah it doesnt say the stacks you are right
clear grove
only if i have one or not