Just google it its a lil fucked
#outlaw
red zinc
dawn talon
no this is like life of pablo rollout traumadumping
late swallow
not gonna post it in here
but it's a certified hood classic
bro is down bad
and the "but he made college dropout and graduation" arguments are getting tougher and tougher to make
sterile summit
@vivid vessel no stream today ?
glass mortar
@vivid vessel no stream today?
latent oak
stream office politics
glass mortar
french taco stream
hidden bay
I'm at work
what are your work hours?
latent oak
irl geoguessr
glass mortar
just french taco collection simulator
covert kestrel
feet stream?
sorry my cat walked across my keyboard and sent that, i was just kidding haha, i didnt mean it haha, i dont like feet haha
dawn talon
irl stream with no face cam and no voice
like those channels where some dude walks around korean cities recording his feet and occasionally talking to strangers ?
stray ginkgo
sorry my cat walked across my keyboard and sent that, i was just kidding haha, i...
Hate it when that happens
jaunty citrus
Dinars today boys trust
glass mortar
shadowdrop dinars cowards
bright crane
heavy shadow
Meadery +10, tried out HO trickster without deft. I missed it a lot. Damage just can't compete in that place 😦
Probably worth taking just for the cp generation
red zinc
why is your tank doing damage wtf
heavy shadow
He was a 3200 dh, so there's that
frail veldt
Meadery +10, tried out HO trickster without deft. I missed it a lot. Damage just...
deft isnt a gain for HO trickster though
red zinc
nephews in the 15 do like 1.6 lmao
honest sparrow
Also probably not playing aldrachi reaver in 10s for no reason
vivid vessel
what are your work hours?
9 to 5.30
desert tendon
i used to 7 to 7
vivid vessel
Even tho it's not much
I just wish I did like
Half time
I don't even need the money
red zinc
just win the lottery
vivid vessel
Nah cause
covert kestrel
when the FUCK are servers gonna be up, I called off work AND out of my daughter's piano recital so I could get a jumpstart on the meaty patch that is 11.1.5, this is my time to shine I'm finally gonna get out of the +6-+8 pug HELL and start pushing for title. Blizz really likes to screw true GAMERS like me who put my blood sweat and tears into the game, I can't believe they still treat us like this, time for us to band together and make a FORUM POST to let them hear us, WHOS WITH ME
vivid vessel
Legit I could live with gaining half the money I gain rn
heavy shadow
deft isnt a gain for HO trickster though
no even with 6+ targets¿
red zinc
gonna need the money at some point
vivid vessel
What for
shell fossil
frail veldt
no even with 6+ targets¿
No HO doesnt need the cp gen
glass mortar
deft is a dps loss for HO builds at any target count ye
its just not a gr8 talent especially since its bugged
heavy shadow
so only cos its bugged then? take 3% vers ainstead
glass mortar
no even unbugged it still wouldnt be good
frail veldt
the bug wouldnt help
HO doesnt need the cps
if you are making rotational mistakes though deft can help cover those up
glass mortar
but like, without the bug u could take it for a small loss for comfort pick
frail veldt
cuz its hard to use deft wrong
glass mortar
right now theres really no reason to consider it as HO
gaunt phoenix
It's not awful i mean it's competing with 3% vers so the dps won't swing by like 2.5% one way or another but yeah
you would have to use it correctly though cause deft is a dps loss to prioritize over ambush/ps
gaunt phoenix
well it's bugged
tbf
deft damage is lower than intended
and trickster gives 50% crit damage to other builders
heavy shadow
so if I am struggling with CP from time to time, what is the likely cause? this is happening for sure
gaunt phoenix
Could be anything, fudging builder priority or rtb rules, dunno without logs
sometimes you get rng fucked sure
what was your AR uptime overall
hidden bay
9 to 5.30
not that bad
here its 8 to 5 💀 technically you only work 8 hours cuz lunch isnt working time
gaunt phoenix
im around 7 to 3
hidden bay
thats pog
vivid vessel
not that bad
It's not but it's way too much for me
And the amount of money I need
To live
hidden bay
a lot of these jobs is like
hidden bay
I value my time more than random money I won't ever use
i spend too much of time time not doing anything and then feeling bad about it
heavy shadow
what was your AR uptime overall
Not sure how to show this tbh. I guess it's a combo of AR uptime and a bit of rng on rolls (often I'm not at 5)
vivid vessel
i spend too much of time time not doing anything and then feeling bad about it
I never feel bad about not doing anything
Now that I work
gaunt phoenix
Not sure how to show this tbh. I guess it's a combo of AR uptime and a bit of rn...
your details at the end
vivid vessel
I had issues with that when I was studying
Cause I always had stuffs to do from home
gaunt phoenix
you see your buff uptimes as a percentage
vivid vessel
But when you have a job
That's not the case anymore
And I swear to god this is so freeing
gaunt phoenix
You should have >90% AR uptime in every key unless you like, die
even with a bad rng pull or three
heavy shadow
this is it then, I mean we did wipe twice but it's 55%
vivid vessel
55 is very low even with wipes ye
dawn talon
i think the lowest ive ever had due to rng was like, 85%
and that was including me getting tilted by shit rng
heavy shadow
Can't say I know exactly what you mean by tracking them, but in general I'm using BtE in any windows, then using KS / coup when up, then after those using vanish for new BtE window
frail veldt
And I swear to god this is so freeing
right? I remember after a couple years into working at a job I actually liked and thinking back to how long it took to fall asleep when I was in university cuz you have so many things to worry about when you go to bed
then when you have ajob you just close your eyes at night and sleep
its sick
gaunt phoenix
but you know you are using vanish to extend AR duration yeah?
frail veldt
jobs are dope
gaunt phoenix
you cant vanish without it
The charges on vanish lets you hold it for when AR is active
heavy shadow
Generally yes I am trying that, but I think somewhere down the line I am losing it due to trying to squeeze in KS also
Doesn't quite gel together for me
I think I need to just see someone good in action and their rotation
vivid vessel
right? I remember after a couple years into working at a job I actually liked an...
Ye idk, you know how so many people are "studies are better cause you have less things to worry about and more time and shit" bro such a lie, I was Perma stressed because I was always late on. Everything, maybe that's just my fault cause I was always doing things last minute, so I kept thinking about it till the last moment kekw
frail veldt
yeah thats insane
studying you always have to worry about whats next
job is like as soon as works done for the day you dont have to worry about it
or at least you shouldnt
studying is a fulltime job in terms of always taking up some part of your brain
gaunt phoenix
Generally yes I am trying that, but I think somewhere down the line I am losing ...
perhaps you are thinking about trying to actively fit KS before vanish
when really the rule is just to hold vanish if KS if coming up soon
idk if that difference makes sense
at highest priority you must vanish to prevent AR downtime
just if you are not at risk of losing AR, you can afford to hold vanish sometimes, and for trickster this for when KS is coming up soon
vivid vessel
studying is a fulltime job in terms of always taking up some part of your brain
Ye
I don't get how people think this is better than adult life
Since I'm an adult I'm so free bro
frail veldt
hahahahha exactly same
vivid vessel
Legit don't think about anything ever
frail veldt
it doesnt feel like im having to climb anymore
gaunt phoenix
My degree was largely a waste of time and money
vivid vessel
No one can tell me I'm late on something
frail veldt
Im just chillin
vivid vessel
If I'm late on something it's my fault and I die it's all good
frail veldt
My degree was largely a waste of time and money
I think a lot of people feel this nowadays
gaunt phoenix
you studied CS yeah zac?
vivid vessel
Well
gaunt phoenix
I felt CS degree didn't prepare me for anything in the workforce except like general problem solving shit i guess
frail veldt
it definitely doesnt necessarily prepare you for the work place but if you arent motivated enough as a young adult to study CS/programming in general without a structured environment then it can be useful
ruby gale
Could be worse, you could have done the most useless stem degree possible
frail veldt
I would have just played wow endlessly into brainrot if I didnt go to school
frail veldt
Could be worse, you could have done the most useless stem degree possible
which ones that? lol
ruby gale
Maths 
frail veldt
I mean
all you need is some programming knowledeg and now youre a datascientist
gotta relabel it
gaunt phoenix
it was rhetorical btw you dont need to reveal your degree lol
ruby gale
all you need is some programming knowledeg and now youre a datascientist
That's unironically what I did, I learned how to program while furloughed for covid and got a data engineering job 
nova flame
Since I'm an adult I'm so free bro
spoken like someone just out of college and freshly starting their career :P, grats!
frail veldt
That's unironically what I did, I learned how to program while furloughed for co...
hahahaha exactly
frail veldt
spoken like someone just out of college and freshly starting their career :P, gr...
hey im 32 and I still feel that way
late swallow
Damn Mewo I thought you were in high school
frail veldt
having disposable income is dope
covert kestrel
Im 31 and back in uni for CS 
gaunt phoenix
dont have kids and you have money 
funny how it works
frail veldt
dont have kids and you have money <:thinkingr:323965640765603841> funny how it w...
yeah I was gona say this
I have 3 dogs instead
gaunt phoenix
love that
vivid vessel
you studied CS yeah zac?
I did 3 year of a diploma that'd like, game dev right, was actually really cool I learned a shit ton and enjoyed myself, issue is, couldn't find a job after that, so I tried to go more into computer engineering stuffs, which I did 2 years of till I gave up cause I actually don't wanna be an engineer kekw (was supposed to be 3 year or internship as well), and now Im finishing that internship with a random web dev diploma thing but I basically work full time
frail veldt
game dev seems sick but yeah it sounds like a SUPER scarse market
frail veldt
duuude
vivid vessel
Was kinda despair
keen belfry
i haev bio med degree but hated science work so i self taught CS and got cs job right before it was impossible to get CS job
work > school for sure
but college life is still most fun
glass mortar
thankfully for u we are on a worldwide upswing and the market should be opening up more and more
🥰
frail veldt
I ended my grad degree 2019 and I think I got up to like 300 applications before I landed a role
covert kestrel
yeah being back in school is wild, like having to go back to hw/studying on weekends is the lamest thing of all time
frail veldt
so many interviews that went well just prior to lock down then they called me back and said "were freezing hiring due to market conditions" etc etc
or that the office is closing down temporarily
keen belfry
i know for a fact i wouldnt survive college now, given how lazy work has made me
bro in college i worked 25 hours a week, studied, gymed, friended, schooled
frail veldt
Yeah I cant tell if I'd be better at it cuz id just do the studying like a job or if Id slack off just as hard as the first time around lol
hidden bay
Ye idk, you know how so many people are "studies are better cause you have less ...
bro i studied during covid
covert kestrel
Yeah I cant tell if I'd be better at it cuz id just do the studying like a job o...
from personal experience, im way better about using my day time hours, way worse about discipline at nights/weekends than i was the first time i went to uni 
hidden bay
it fucking sucked
like my first semester was before covid
i was pogging so hard
easily acing everything
keen belfry
college isnt neccesarily about what you learn, its learning how to learn and be a time manager
hidden bay
then covid came in and i spent all my time playing wow and other bullshit during lectures
glass mortar
college is one thing, cant imagine being in grade school during covid tho
those years r way more formative
keen belfry
i feel so bad for the the people that had covid college, imagine missing your freshman year dorm life
hidden bay
covid during studies fucked me up so bad
red zinc
engineering these days is such a bs degree
frail veldt
i feel so bad for the the people that had covid college, imagine missing your fr...
fr fr
keen belfry
fr fr
i think i met more people my freshman year of college than basically all my other years combined
like actually met
glass mortar
thats usually how it goes yea
hidden bay
i made so many friends during first semester and then during covid legit everyone stopped talking man
red zinc
classic 20 friends first week of uni and then 2 remain after 2 years
hidden bay
so sad
nova flame
they arent teaching us shit
it's just an exercise to get your first position, with an official paper, which will teach you 10x what you learned in school and be more valuable for future jobs going forward
keen belfry
once youre on a track you have same classes with same people
glass mortar
i was in a foreign student/athlete dorm despite being neither so
hidden bay
outside class smoking area was goated place to meet ppl xd
glass mortar
classes xd
keen belfry
theres nothing like bonding over an ochem exam where you spend 10 hours at the library together
covert kestrel
did yall meet more people in class or in dorms
dorms, im still hella close with like my 5 closest friends from freshman year, 13 years later. got two weddings this year
red zinc
We dont do dorms in europe so
gaunt phoenix
I did 3 year of a diploma that'd like, game dev right, was actually really cool ...
zac lore
hidden bay
ol fixed in 1 patch
frail veldt
LOL
hidden bay
ho deleted
covert kestrel
zac moves to america
zac and somnius exchange program, somnius gets to ride his bikes in the french countryside
glass mortar
not listed anywhere in the game
outlaws ability range just universally increased by 3 yards
would they ever notice
covert kestrel
man riding bike around europe would be so nice
really wanted to bikepack in europe but now i have gf so that dream is dead LOL
fluid meadow
man riding bike around europe would be so nice
when u reach the balkan u go further on foot
glass mortar
really wanted to bikepack in europe but now i have gf so that dream is dead LOL
??? Wtf get her to bike with u
Tandem bike so u can carry
vivid vessel
then covid came in and i spent all my time playing wow and other bullshit during...
I finished my last year during COVID and did the same shit, was playing ark survival evolved pvp, had to be online 24/7
covert kestrel
??? Wtf get her to bike with u
shes not about that bikepacking life
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
glass mortar
Shame
covert kestrel
Shame
she says she knows how to ride a bike but i dont believe her
keep trying to get her on a citi bike and she alwayyyyys has the excuses
late swallow
convince me not to drop 7k on a new road bike
please bro
i will literally do it right now
covert kestrel
convince me not to drop 7k on a new road bike
you're the dentist from /r/bicyclingcirclejerk
nova flame
convince me not to drop 7k on a new road bike
drop half on a sweet new pc rig, put the rest in the market, use the gains to buy the bike in ~7 years. ez pz
late swallow
in 7 years I'll be outside of the biking prime
if you're trying to race past your early 30s
it's over
nova flame
oh I didn't realize you were competitive, nvm then
late swallow
fading hatch
whatcha looking for
hey I think I found it, I was looking for a macro for SS/ambush. i'm day 1 on the spec so trying to figure out my bars and things
is it ok to just have SS/ambush on the same bind or will there be issues with that?
random stirrup
my latter half of last year of HS and my first 2 years of college (biochem) were all online due to covid 💀
didn't even get to live in a uni dorm
vivid vessel
saves wow
Ok we joke a lot but I swear I would save outlaw and I wouldn't even make it op (or?)
I wish devs had to play the specs they worked on
hidden bay
could not care about being op
vivid vessel
I swear so many issues are just cause the devs are just devs
covert kestrel
if you're trying to race past your early 30s
just like outlaw 
frail veldt
I swear so many issues are just cause the devs are just devs
see for me im frankly just SO curious what its like on the inside
hidden bay
i just wanna have fun without being punished harder than getting your firstborn taken away for no reason
frail veldt
its entirely possible the devs have their hands tied
and they want to make changes
bu tmanagement sucks ass
and they just dont get approvals to do the work they want to do
hidden bay
bu tmanagement sucks ass
im convinced at this point
that every corporation is like this
covert kestrel
its entirely possible the devs have their hands tied
dam theyre kinky
frail veldt
but its a mystery
hidden bay
theres always good ppl in frontlines and dogshit management
like you get a directive from the top to do x thing wtf are you gonna do as a dev but that x thing
vivid vessel
see for me im frankly just SO curious what its like on the inside
Im also curious cause frankly wtf are they spending their time on? They have about 15 class devs rn iirc the credits, how are we getting so little changes ? What are they working on
hidden bay
superhero trees of next expac
frail veldt
Im also curious cause frankly wtf are they spending their time on? They have abo...
another great question haha
its a black box
glass mortar
there is no dev that does just class design
hidden bay
they must be working on next expac
late swallow
i'll do an exchange program with zac in a heartbeat
glass mortar
and they are already working on the next expac
vivid vessel
there is no dev that does just class design
That's not true tho?
glass mortar
plenty of ways to find the time to never do class design
vivid vessel
They are listed in the credits
vivid vessel
Under combat devs or whatever I forgot the name
glass mortar
the class team does other things too
vivid vessel
What then
hidden bay
blizz probably raking in record profits but still not hiring enough ppl to make the game good
glass mortar
dungeon design, boss design, designing whatever system midnight will have
all these devs work on all this stuff, they just kinda jump around
vivid vessel
Nah they have encounter designers and shit tho
glass mortar
always have
gaunt phoenix
they working on season of discovery rogue
glass mortar
yes and encounter designers might implement and fully flesh out a dungeon design
vivid vessel
Idk check the credits it's weirdb
vivid vessel
I mean check the credits there is like 15 devs per thingy
glass mortar
cant know these things for sure
hidden bay
maybe devs just busy drinking cofffe to not feel hungry cuz they cant afford food 💀
glass mortar
if u wanna know what they are busy with look at the workshop bugfix
runic bough
Zac can I go to France under outlaw apprenticeship under you?
glass mortar
theres what ur devs r doing when they r bored
vivid vessel
It feels like there is legit 3 class devs
runic bough
leaden folio
microsoft save us please
hidden bay
bro idk how they work but
vivid vessel
Maybe they are always working on the next expac
hollow temple
Im also curious cause frankly wtf are they spending their time on? They have abo...
11.2
hidden bay
every dev should have a class assigned to "focus more on"
vivid vessel
It's weird af
covert kestrel
s4 is ripperino
leaden folio
they work to make legendary => talent
hidden bay
if all devs work on 5 classes then by the time they get around to forgotten classes nobody remembers how they work
vivid vessel
Idk it's always half finished as well so like, are they just starting work on next expac as soon as the beta for the current one finishes?? Cause it's legit how it feels like it works rn
runic bough
Guys we have to start training young outlaws, to pass on the dying spec.
vivid vessel
They drop 20 new trees at start of expac the first week of beta
The nothing is done
Till next expac
Idk ??
glass mortar
eh not entirely fair
hollow temple
Idk it's always half finished as well so like, are they just starting work on ne...
That’s what I assume the bulk do
vivid vessel
eh not entirely fair
Is it not
glass mortar
there was iteration on class hero talents in the alpha and beta
just not really ours
xd
hidden bay
cuz ours are so perfect 
fluid meadow
just by that, no s4 less time for next xpac less fix in real time too, garbage things
hollow temple
While a couple people work on bugs and tuning throughout expacs
vivid vessel
Ye I mean even if there is iteration it's only during beta alpha
glass mortar
i mean zac the thing is i agree with u a bit
u just go too heavy handed with this stuff
runic bough
If I spec into killingspree all my yapping will have meant nothing....I'm scared guys. What do I do?
vivid vessel
Do they just start working on next expac immediately and have 0 dev time on current expac once this is done
glass mortar
If I spec into killingspree all my yapping will have meant nothing....I'm scared...
try it, its really not bad to pull off in 10s
glass mortar
it gets way more frustrating and u reach harder content tho
glass mortar
not true for shamans or hunters this expac anyway
i get what ur saying and i do agree largely
they just focus on certain specs now it seems
glass mortar
and will hopefully rotate to new ones shortly
i think we've cooked shaman hunter and mage enough guys
3 patches is probably enough
hollow temple
its ok to be bug af
Is it though?
runic bough
Have we tried the gsw pc ace trickster build yet?
vivid vessel
Ut also I say that but the work that was done this expac is so little compared to what they did in the past, covenant and Lego, then full talent reworks for df, and in tww it was legit just hero talents that are all half baked and with one and a half gameplay node
hollow temple
It’s just the norm for all of wow 
glass mortar
well spec talents were "new" system in df
hidden bay
Ut also I say that but the work that was done this expac is so little compared t...
quite a few reworks tho
leaden folio
problem is
glass mortar
so they cooked it all expac
hero talents are the new thing now
so they are cooking them all expac
leaden folio
blizzard nerf/fix only positive bug
leaden folio
and keep the terrible gameplay bug
vivid vessel
Ye but hero talents are nothing compared to what they did in df weran
glass mortar
ya for sure
hollow temple
bug are fun sometimes
Sure but some bugs feel so detrimental and just get ignored
vivid vessel
Reworking the talents and basically reworking every spec in the game
Vs hero talents ????
Bro
vivid vessel
It's so not comparable
leaden folio
Sure but some bugs feel so detrimental and just get ignored
yo that's what i'm tellin
glass mortar
@hollow temple btw have u seen this aug in pvp thing
at least pve bros are still safe from aug
hollow temple
<@629463378250956810> btw have u seen this aug in pvp thing
The one shots?
fluid meadow
giving same set bonus to everybody is the easiest way to work and not work too
hollow temple
That was already a thing all season btw
runic bough
https://tenor.com/view/david-byrne-same-as-it-ever-was-always-has-been-same-gif-...
What if I try 20 haste with gsw pc trickster though
glass mortar
probably not this bad tho, wasnt this after the recent aug buffs
frail veldt
What if I try 20 haste with gsw pc trickster though
if you play trickster without KS youre just inting
hollow temple
probably not this bad tho, wasnt this after the recent aug buffs
Nope
frail veldt
augs been like this
for the whole season tbh
its just a meme spec
good players dont die to it
runic bough
if you play trickster without KS youre just inting
Okay what about trickster ks ace gsw pc?
frail veldt
Okay what about trickster ks ace gsw pc?
thats just a normal build...
runic bough
No ho no kir
runic bough
late swallow
ryu has insane cooks
twilit nest
Ryu sims infinitely
runic bough
twilit nest
He has simmed every possible build already idk why hes even asking about them
hollow temple
Guys
late swallow
zac is the cousin that kanye was tweeting about btw
runic bough
I didnt sim trickster yet guys
hollow temple
I hacked the mainframe and reinvented the wheel guys
glass mortar
zacs in jail??
hollow temple
I removed HO and KiR
runic bough
late swallow
zacs in jail??
yeah french jail is really nice. you just live in the countryside
hollow temple
And replaced them with KS nodes
twilit nest
Both talents suck btw
glass mortar
i wanna be in french jail wtf
twilit nest
KiR is coo
runic bough
Fack you trickz, you deceived all of us!!!!
hollow temple
glass mortar
And replaced them with KS nodes
one talent makes kspree half the duration but it now teleports you randomly within 40 yards of the target, not its hitbox
leaden folio
yeah french jail is really nice. you just live in the countryside
in France, if you are rich, you dont go to jail, you just got some electronic bracelet
fluid meadow
random tp in the whole dungeon poggers
glass mortar
it now randomly teleports you vertically as well
guys how over is it for us if dawnbreaker unironically comes back
kspree builds are like 20% ahead of anything without it now
in real aoe
how did we get here
who did we hurt
runic bough
Killingspree now teleports you outside the instance your in.
Rules:
-If you are in open world, it teleports you to the afterlife (shadowlands).
-If you are already in shadowlands, it logs you out of the game.
leaden folio
who the fuck said "lets vote for dawnbreaker to see if they fix it"
fluid meadow
i want grimrail pressing ks there and stuck in boxes
runic bough
I know the fix
nova flame
i wonder if u still fall thru the boat with a 1 cp kspree
you definitely do, ask me how I know
runic bough
Ks hero nodes should be optional to cheese between br and ks choices
glass mortar
ks as an option node would be interesting
i wonder what u would put against it
well i wonder what u would do to ks to make it so people actually played it sometimes, just leave it as is for people that like the loss of control?
frail veldt
no one will ever play KS unless forced to or unless theyre just doing non serious content
glass mortar
yea that is my feel on it
frail veldt
the ability is not compatible with the modern version of the game
hollow temple
#buffBR
vapid sundial
glass mortar
BR does not fill the same functional spot kspree does design wise tho
frail veldt
especially when you have to press it every 20 seconds to "play correctly"
glass mortar
idk about it as a replacement
glass mortar
obviously way better then kspree but its not a interesting ability
vapid sundial
BR does not fill the same functional spot kspree does design wise tho
Loktark and I talked aout it.
One sec
cinder relic
They used to be in the same talent spot lol
glass mortar
sure before kspree was a finisher
austere mantle
tbf, I like KS
vapid sundial
runic bough
!mute nightstreak for blasphemy
glass mortar
i will say, i do sorta miss the "having a button to press when u dip under 50 energy" vibes of kspree/blade rush in early DF
vapid sundial
There u go
fluid meadow
can we just get % dmg after roll buffs or smthing to fatebound instead of random agi to not have that half of the fight/dungeon?
glass mortar
we really dont interact with energy in even the slightest way anymore
it runs out and u cant press buttons or it doesnt and u can
thats it
frail veldt
we really dont interact with energy in even the slightest way anymore
we either have energy or we dont
50/50
frail veldt
tbf, **I** like KS
you can like it and stil acknowledge how awful and problematic of an ability it is
objectively, KS is a bad concept for modern wow
runic bough
They never listen to players this is proof
glass mortar
visually kspree is very cool, i will never deny that
frail veldt
theres jus tno way around it
glass mortar
if it was just our character doing that, and not our hitbox
i would not hate it nearly as much
i also dont think it really matches outlaws theme... but that doesnt make it not a cool looking ability
austere mantle
you can like it and stil acknowledge how awful and problematic of an ability it ...
OH absolutely. I have nearly hit double digits of "times i've been killed due to KS"
frail veldt
I think the erratic nature of KS kinda fits the aesthetic haha according to the people I play with
austere mantle
could add some damage reduction/mitigation during the "channel"
frail veldt
could add some damage reduction/mitigation during the "channel"
this wouldnt work
runic bough
Or give us a double pistol shooting killing spree
vapid sundial
could add some damage reduction/mitigation during the "channel"
Had it, they removed it.
vapid sundial
Nah we had straight dr
frail veldt
it still has mitigation in the stagger
hollow temple
Finally I agree with trickz
blade rush is pog, have always loved it
glass mortar
DR doesnt matter, the things kspree kills u to are going to effectively kill you regardless of any DR it gives u unless its basically an invulnerability
proven ocean
glass mortar
and that would just be not great design for the game
hollow temple
i just like charge abilities, especially with extra effects etc
vapid sundial
It's why we want br to be our finisher and effectively replace kr
vapid sundial
i just like charge abilities, especially with extra effects etc
Feral lunge enjoyer
runic bough
Br is a lunge true
frail veldt
KS is so susceptible to butt pulling
cuz some mobs just have GIANT hit boxes for some reaosn
and KS teleports you to narnia
vapid sundial
I don't see any issues with giving BR the ks treatment and replacing KS with it fully.
frail veldt
like in bottom area of rookery
hollow temple
Feral lunge enjoyer
feral has a regular charge AND an interrupt charge. its sweet
vapid sundial
Like. I can't think of a single Drawback.
frail veldt
feral has a regular charge AND an interrupt charge. its sweet
their regular charge is a charge behind though
vapid sundial
feral has a regular charge AND an interrupt charge. its sweet
Feral lunge is the enhance charge but yes.
glass mortar
the drawback being BR is very boring
hollow temple
Feral lunge is the enhance charge but yes.
oh, yep 
runic bough
Br could also add to our fucking pathetic aoe
glass mortar
as a finisher i mean
hollow temple
Like. I can't think of a single Drawback.
BR is just piss weak rn
glass mortar
oh u want it as it is, just an uncapped aoe that doesnt blade flurry as a finisher
vapid sundial
BR is just piss weak rn
Yeah, but I said give it the ks treatment
hollow temple
but if it activated trickster like KS you'd 100% take the small dps loss
frail veldt
what if you could run Br instead of KS for trickster but it was like a 4% dmg loss over KS. What would yall do?
glass mortar
so is it worth casting in ST or are we only casting it in aoe in this design
vapid sundial
Dawg.
glass mortar
4% to drop KS? depends on fight
frail veldt
hahahaha
glass mortar
well wdym we are cooking it rn
runic bough
Why male it weaker mewo
vapid sundial
Okay let me. Do a zerooss for you
frail veldt
Why male it weaker mewo
im anticipating the reality ryu...
runic bough
No stop
vapid sundial
They way they buffed ks
hollow temple
Why male it weaker mewo
its naturally weaker rn
vapid sundial
Right?
frail veldt
I dont live in fantasy land
vapid sundial
That way
Blade rush is good
Then
You replace the ks
Effects
With blade rush ones
And remove ks
So
Blade rush
Is new ks
twilit nest
Ryker youre nice with it dude
runic bough
It shouldn't be weaker. It's a one hit trick.
glass mortar
ok so its just a "send on cd when its available finisher" that does moderatly more damage then a dispatch or bte
so basically just kspree with no teleport, identical
i mean its better then what we have
vapid sundial
Make br finisher.
Buff it to be about equal to KS.
Remove ks in tree and replace with br in hero talents.
Ysay
Yes
And it'a funny uncapped aoe button
hollow temple
@frail veldt do i do it?
runic bough
Buffed br is what outlaw needs. It would replace or turn ks node into a choice node. Br adds aoe and extra energy.
Ks doesn't add anything
hollow temple
you dont have wow ?
vivid vessel
?
twilit nest
<@151872253229924352> do i do it?
Wtf
vivid vessel
<:joeuhmmm:767150302801166356>
im actually so confused rn
you said you were pveing and shit this tier
hollow temple
im actually so confused rn
vivid vessel
bro answer me wtf
hollow temple
im actually so confused rn
i'm talking about buying a 2nd account zac
runic bough
He's been playing wow on blizzard pc guys
twilit nest
Is that diablo 4??
hollow temple
pvp
vivid vessel
you doing splits or wht
hollow temple
and multi box in general
twilit nest
Why would you need another account for pvp?
hollow temple
you can multi box queues
runic bough
Dual wow
twilit nest
and multi box in general
Lol multibox is crazy
glass mortar
legit all the big pvp streamers do that
vivid vessel
and multi box in general
thats some world first race shit bro no one does that
hollow temple
thats some world first race shit bro no one does that
most of the high end pvpers do it
glass mortar
only way to not go insane with wait times
hollow temple
even some mid level guys do it
twilit nest
Yhea you gotta go through this pain because of 1hr wait times
glass mortar
too much time of my life spent waiting in queues when i pvp
twilit nest
Nice game btw
hollow temple
Yhea you gotta go through this pain because of 1hr wait times
it only matters when you get really high rating and queue times get long
hollow temple
it doesn't matter for most players
vivid vessel
surely it gets lower on reset or
runic bough
Exp event says you should level now if you do it
hollow temple
ye the discount+free sub+exp buff is why i'm thinking about finally doing it
would be pretty ez to level and gear
runic bough
I want to do this as well for farming herbs while waiting for shit to start
austere mantle
main thing I am doing is holding off on a warlock for the next TR event (fingers crossed for WoD or Legion)
but for this new exp winds event, should probably get some other alts up to 80...
hollow temple
Can we transfer a toon to another account
only if it's BoE or BoA
runic bough
Toon**
hollow temple
oh a character? not anymore no
runic bough
Damn
proven ocean
it will be lower on reset right
idk bro it raises in price sometimes, sometimes not
maybe wait
cuz
next week is patch
so
ppl will play
cuh
vivid vessel
that one is gone already it seems
proven ocean
also why are u pinging me
vivid vessel
unless im stupid
proven ocean
im not supposed to reply to you
twilit nest
I love you zeros
vivid vessel
why
hollow temple
hollow temple
multi boxing is allowed ye
runic bough
Hmm
hollow temple
as long as you don't queue both accounts into the same arena game
runic bough
I could be rich farming herbs while waiting for shit
hollow temple
or the same blitz game etc
glass mortar
what happens if u do get into the same game...
i guess ud know cause both queues would pop at once and ud just dodge on one guy
vapid sundial
or the same blitz game etc
Or use automation macros
runic bough
THAT EXPLAINS ALL THE CONSTANT CANCELS IN QUES
hollow temple
i guess ud know cause both queues would pop at once and ud just dodge on one guy
ye exactly
if you do enter on both accounts its basically considered win trading
even if you didn't mean to
i have seen a guy accidentally accept on 2 accounts into a blitz game though
and he played both accounts
vapid sundial
runic bough
Oh wait
It would only make sense if you were a gold farmer tho
No way I'd pay for 2 subs
runic bough
Yeah which is an effective gold farm
runic bough
Dm them now let's see
glass mortar
dont make me post it
runic bough
dawn talon
im jealous of pvp players bc their boosting scene is so much less competitive lol
hollow temple
im jealous of pvp players bc their boosting scene is so much less competitive lo...
you can make a lot of gold fast too
untold yarrow
just got kicked
for doing tank dam first pull brew
legit first pull ended and o7
imagine not knowing about aoe cap
glass mortar
yeaaaa i queued into a 13 cinderbew on sunday evening
rolled a 1 buff on my first roll as we ran in
i knew it was gunna be tragic but ive mostly avoided that key this season
dawn talon
you can make a lot of gold fast too
ive seen people making like upwards of 250k/hr boosting
vapid sundial
untold yarrow
yeah i had 2 buffs on the pull
viscid perch
imagine not knowing about aoe cap
imagine a 5 target capped mm do 30 mil on that pull
glass mortar
we wiped, i dont wanna say it was my fault but the tank definitly pulled like we had 3 uncapped dps in the key
dawn talon
boosting for a week and not having to do anything for the rest of the season
glass mortar
and we did not
vapid sundial
ive seen people making like upwards of 250k/hr boosting
They can make more than that if they are good
glass mortar
tank ran out of DRs and died
untold yarrow
3 of those hired muscle guys
glass mortar
i was barely doing more then tank dps
hollow temple
ive seen people making like upwards of 250k/hr boosting
you can make way more, just depending on what you're doing. up to like 500-750k per hour
vapid sundial
I've made 250k an h doing keys
dawn talon
I've made 250k an h doing keys
ye but hte market for keys is a lot more competitive
untold yarrow
13
hollow temple
if you do glad boosts (3v3) it's like 1.5-2.5m per hour
rotund zodiac
I get paid doing a 10 for 50k 😦
hollow temple
for the 2 boosters to split
vapid sundial
ye but hte market for keys is a lot more competitive
Well. Depends.
Early season high keys are easier to sell.
dawn talon
well ye
glass mortar
honestly more sad then the target cap is the complete lack of control over ur dps
like if u rolled a 5 buff there
u might do 10m dps on that pull
dawn talon
but doing 14s with buyers with normal tier on
glass mortar
u wont match a real dps spec, but u wont do tank damage
glass mortar
and its so important to be able to burn it down
glass mortar
but if u roll 1 buff 3 times?
vapid sundial
u might do 10m dps on that pull
I think I hit 32m on enhance on that pull
glass mortar
u might just wipe because u have two tanks doing tank damage on the pull
vapid sundial
Was a good. Time
glass mortar
zero control over it
dawn talon
tanking keys w/ a buyer is so much more fun than dpsing the keys though
viscid perch
u might do 10m dps on that pull
the class undertuned even on 8 target and on top of that you heavily rely on rng to do atleast decent dps, atm the class is a joke compared to other classes tbh
runic bough
I might just go sin before playing trickster guys
glass mortar
i mean i caught up on overall by the end like
i did ok damage
but u cant have damage where its needed
and that just stacks ontop of being capped
untold yarrow
yeah
glass mortar
u feel it more with this set bonus to, u might just roll 1 buff 5 times and do such laughable damage
glass mortar
at least before it was always like, 3 buffs or a 5 buff
untold yarrow
by the end still 1 or 2
????
like fuck off
imagine kicking aoe capped class because of first giga pull that you never repeat
icant
ig turbo high ekys u giga pull a lot
but this is a 13
runic bough
Yeah I might just play sin I don't want to use ks.
untold yarrow
triggering
glass mortar
sin is very good rn
untold yarrow
but is it fun
untold yarrow
i dont like how squish sin is v.s outlaw
dawn talon
but u cant have damage where its needed
if you get a 2nd ub before your first vanish
and get to coup
untold yarrow
i dont have to rely on healers in outlaw
dawn talon
it's not so bad
untold yarrow
unless rot
runic bough
As kir my aoe peaks at 3mil woth 650 ilvl
dawn talon
but like that's ridiculously rng lol
runic bough
Its embarrasing
dawn talon
like in lower keys doing 7m every pull is fine but like
when you're doing 8 pulls total and people have cds for 4 of them
doing 30m
runic bough
Meanwhile a 630 udk does 20mil.
dawn talon
it's like why am i even here
vapid sundial
Ican do 3x my outlaw dmg while stroking with 1 hand
vapid sundial
!!+
hybrid crown
They should buff killing spree damage by 8 billion percent
vapid sundial
Concorillion
untold yarrow
IMO you should be able to "tricks" your KS debuff
onto uncapped aoe class
every time you take dam from KS they eat the stagger
fluid meadow
IMO you should be able to "tricks" your KS debuff
or just trick to uncapped dps and blame tank cuz of aggro deplete
hybrid crown
Go into lfr and tricks healers on cauldron
runic bough
Tricks of the Trade now acts as a defensive ability. It transfers damage from killingspree onto its target.
We now have a tank killer guys teeheee
pearl trout
Meanwhile a 630 udk does 20mil.
I did my first Cinderbrew 13 on my DK yesterday and bursted 30 mill on first pull being ilvl 660, completely reasonable DPS
viscid perch
classic blizzard
timber knoll
kspree damage being offloaded to a tank would actually go so hard
desert tendon
bring back 20% damage amp on tricks
austere mantle
kspree damage being offloaded to a tank would actually go so hard
excellent way to troll
hybrid crown
Triple outlaw keys tot trifecta
vivid linden
Hi Eric
runic bough
Imagine killingspree actually did real damage
Maybe it wouldn't be this bad
I'm gonna play with trickster Sims now
late swallow
killing spree does do big damage tho
latent oak
ya it does
runic bough
200k per hit is nothing big.
glass mortar
does like ~4m damage per cast
glass mortar
its are hardest hitting ability by quite a bit
latent oak
does like ~4m damage per cast
does that include unseen blade free procs aswell
runic bough
For not being able to move and possibly die, you really think it's enough damage?
glass mortar
nope
runic bough
frail veldt
200k per hit is nothing big.
KS is our highest damage per execute of any ability
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-gif-1846075065280866456
me when cousin
glass mortar
i mean its more then enough damage for what the spell does yes
if ur gunna buff outlaw buff outlaw
dont buff this awful spell
frail veldt
it is enough damage that it feels awful when you cant press it
if you made it do more damage
it would WORSEN THE ISSUE
latent oak
me when cousin
whats the cousin meme, dm me
untold yarrow
dont you easily out dps KS with good BTE procs?
latent oak
it was a deleted tweet right
untold yarrow
but ig its not 1 button press
glass mortar
yes because we are talking about dpe not dpet
frail veldt
dont you easily out dps KS with good BTE procs?
you lose dps not pressing ks
untold yarrow
i mean like
glass mortar
bte during crackshot does more dps because its 0.8s "cast time"
untold yarrow
during the KS window and the time it does over 5 / 7s
you can do more during crackshot
glass mortar
kspree is like 3-5 seconds depending on the CP u send it with
frail veldt
thats not relevant
untold yarrow
so although the thing does a lot of damage
frail veldt
KSes value isnt just its damage
untold yarrow
in one press
frail veldt
it is
untold yarrow
when it stunlocks you
frail veldt
it still is
and again
YOU DONTW ANT IT TO HIT HARDER
if it hit harder
then youd be even MORE encouraged to press it during dangerous times
it should cost you less to delay it
it should do less damage
yall have this insanely backwards
the reason why KS sucks to play
is BECAUSE you lose damage delaying it
untold yarrow
no we are talking about 2 different things
frail veldt
if you could delay it
and not lose much damage
it wouldnt matter
people would care a lot less that its dangerous
but because it has a 20s cd
and because we lost a LOT of dps by not pressing it
it sucks
KS should do less damage
runic bough
Yo Mewo, would you play ks on first pull workshop?
untold yarrow
ks is more dangerous on mobs that drop shit on the floor
like the bomb guys in flood
if tank doesnt move
you just die
runic bough
Last time I saw Nessa play workshop and she kept dying first pull from ks and refused to say ks was killing her.
Then I was muted
latent belfry
while in ks you should be able to press defensives, idky that isnt a thing
frail veldt
Well what was killing her
runic bough
The bombs from ksing into them.
frail veldt
ksing into the bombs doesnt doa nything
afaik
its just the circles on the floor thats the issue
you just have to ks around them
or do low cp kses
latent oak
u can even press ks on first boss if u evasion first
frail veldt
but yeah KS kills you all the time
latent oak
and target the car
frail veldt
it san awful ability
frail veldt
u can even press ks on first boss if u evasion first
wym I press it always on that boss
runic bough
But see, your coping around a bad ability like ks.
latent oak
yaya but u can also walk into the bombs
with evasion
so even if bombs are surrounded in melee u can press
frail veldt
oh my tank usually just moves the boss
didnt know that though
does that work even if you hit the bomb at a weird angle?
latent oak
as long as u are looking at the car
it doesnt matter
since the damage is sourced to the car
latent oak
ya just means u can press without any delay on that fight
frail veldt
but yeah I want to reiterate
anyone saying KS should do more damage
is fucking lost
latent oak
ya 100%
latent belfry
ks just needs to be redesigned