outlaw

[covert kestrel]

thats why youre sick

ezclap

[gaunt phoenix]

think i'd have a heart attack after half of one

[runic bough]

Guy is a monster fan I see

[wintry solar]

One of their best

Top 3 for sure

[runic bough]

Zeross is redbull
Guy is Monster
Zac is French taco

What is solo

[wintry solar]

Water

[runic bough]

I need some water brb

Good call

[daring oxide]

In the UK we have something called Sneak

[stray ginkgo]

That was resto shaman aoe time.

Vesper totem and earthquake ele and riing trinket going BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[gaunt phoenix]

idk what to craft

seems like another ring

[dense bolt]

can i decide for you

[wintry solar]

Sneak 100

[cinder relic]

Idrlike monster that much

I prefer redbull

[quaint wharf]

Celsius enjoyers

[cinder relic]

I need to try Celsius

[quaint wharf]

Its like the only energy drink ill drink now

[wintry solar]

I like them all

Less so Redbull

Nos is good

Rockstar

Bucked Up

[ruby gale]

Mango loco is the goat

[wintry solar]

Mango Loco the goat!

My favorite

[ruby gale]

Papillon is a close 2nd

(the pink butterfly one)

[wintry solar]

That's a good one too

My 2nd favorite is pacific punch

[ruby gale]

Pacific punch is really good too, it's a very very close 3rd I can respect it being 2nd

[wintry solar]

I haven't had a green monster in forever

[daring oxide]

Sneak blue raspberry is the best

[ruby gale]

Never seen sneak personally

[wintry solar]

It gets recommended to me on Amazon a lot

That's the powder stuff right?

I found spongebob shot glasses on amazon

Excuse me

"Mini glasses"

[runic bough]

I'm a protein or fruit smoothie drink guy

Or blended coffe

No energy drinks

[cinder relic]

I have a 1 caffine bev a day limit

Whether it be iced coffee, cold brew, latte, or an energy drink just is a day by day thing

[gaunt phoenix]

i have many

[wintry solar]

Real

But right now I just drink coffee

No sugar or creamer

Like a man

[runic bough]

I like Guys coffee

He got me on putting maple syrup in my coffee

[wintry solar]

That's good

I did that a lot when I was little

[cinder relic]

its good man

[fathom bramble]

I was doing that for a while until the price of Maple syrup around here tripled

[proven ocean]

i get infinite per day

[ruby gale]

I should buy beans so I can have nice black coffee again

[proven ocean]

@cinder relic do u like filter coffee

[cinder relic]

Wdym

[proven ocean]

like

pour over coffee

v60

chemex

its like cold brew but

the flavor isn't as strong

and usually served hot

[cinder relic]

I dont think Ive ever tried it

do U mean like this?

[proven ocean]

with v60 its amazing

[cinder relic]

if yes, then yeah its aight

[proven ocean]

this one is kalita

[cinder relic]

I generally don't like coffee coffee that much, if I want warm coffee I want a latte of some kind

[proven ocean]

abit different brewing filter than v60

v60 can bring up more flavors

like if ur into fruity coffee

you could taste blackberries, strawberries, passion fruit depending on the beans ofc

im a huge coffee addict ngl

i love all kinds of coffee

i never get headaches if i dont drink coffee

but

i just end up going back to sleep if i dont drink some

LOL based change

@vivid vessel @desert tendon @frail veldt @haughty wigeon

idk which one of u had this conv with me before

@glass mortar

hall of fame now requires last 3 bosses

[glass mortar]

mhm

[torpid fiber]

i saw this coming yeah

[frail veldt]

Oh shit

[torpid fiber]

no way were they going to let people get hof without 8/8

[proven ocean]

last 3 bosses are the only real bosses

so

ye

perfect change

[craggy quiver]

Honestly I always thought you had to get 8/8

[desert tendon]

yep

me like it

[proven ocean]

nah first 5 are w.e

but last 3 is cool

im ok with that

[desert tendon]

go buy a dread of lords lockout

[torpid fiber]

tbf in past tiers afaik the last boss was usually hard enough that if you could beat it you could do all the others as well

[desert tendon]

and gl with rygelon and jailor

[proven ocean]

they will adjust if that ever happens

cuz like

if u didnt kill bandit/mugzee

u wont get HoF

[desert tendon]

i jsut remember how good was rygelon

[proven ocean]

no time to prog those in time

[gaunt phoenix]

kind of interesting that this tier led to an unprecedented change like that

[proven ocean]

well last boss is like xavius

from legion

so its no surprise

gallywix is so easy he can be pugged

that easy

like

once ppl get 18%

and full gear

he can be pugged for sure

[fathom bramble]

I feel like hall of fame should generally require the guild to have killed every boss in the raid

[desert tendon]

well not that easy but, definitly easier than the bosses before

[proven ocean]

ye

for sure

[desert tendon]

i stronlgy agree

[fathom bramble]

last 3 is probably good enough though

[desert tendon]

but anyway if u kill oab and mug and gally

[proven ocean]

last 3 is good for now

but

[desert tendon]

u must have killed others

[proven ocean]

for future tiers

should be all bosses

[fathom bramble]

yeah there might be a tier at some point with a weird wall you can skip early by buying a lockout idk

[sharp sand]

whats the pre m+ opener for outlaw

RTB, start dungeon, RTB, AR ?

[torpid fiber]

i have an internship interview in 20 minutes so i should probably lock in for that soon

[sharp sand]

or RTB AR, start dungeon etc

[proven ocean]

its just an internship dont stress it

nuke that shit up cuh

[fathom bramble]

without loaded dice there isn't really anything you can do for prekey stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

just roll the bones before key

wait after bubble

going to first pull, rtb bf stealth

open with AR BTE

[fathom bramble]

just press AR after the bubble drops and run at the mobs

[torpid fiber]

I'd agree but it's Jane Street so getting an internship there is insane

[desert tendon]

it s actually so cool

so many physical comp enjoyer in lfg

(they skip the rogue for ret, you guessed it)

but still, having more than 1 comp in the lfg feels good

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[proven ocean]

!cum

Cummed.

[desert tendon]

!soup

[proven ocean]

WTf it worked

[gaunt phoenix]

nice one

[desert tendon]

wait solo wasnt here when this command existed right?

[proven ocean]

!precum

no

he wasnt here

@vivid vessel why did they remove !precum

!cumsoup

[desert tendon]

he removed it when they made it so we couldnt wax our weapons

[proven ocean]

all of the commands are gone

wtf

!cum

[cold jewel]

RIP 87mil gold o7

[proven ocean]

chat chat

[proven ocean]

TRUUUUUUUUUE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[cold jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-gif-22219180

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-bozo-gif-22294771

[desert tendon]

87m

well

they still have every loot in the vault now

[proven ocean]

thats

[desert tendon]

maybe gotta look at it

[proven ocean]

the most useless

thing

to pay 87m for

[desert tendon]

indeed

[proven ocean]

is hopeful having fun in raid btw

didnt see

he was definitely not having it in echo

[desert tendon]

this is just so insane ngl

every time i read this tooltip i cant believe it

[torpid fiber]

lmao holy fuck

[proven ocean]

thats crazy

xd

[desert tendon]

i think he s filled with joy

playing with jpc and all

they have a good time in keys

[cold jewel]

he's jpcpogpilled for sure

[proven ocean]

ye i bet

[red grove]

Where can I view the most updated meta Raid/M+ talent builds?

[proven ocean]

well who doesnt like jpc

[desert tendon]

and they dont do tgp right? So they just chilling on live having fun no dumb training repeting 20 times the same pull over and over

Nerf might hate jpc now

also we have that

oh and obviously, works on mass barrier the whole dr thing and all

do we have any info on how many of these mounts got sold?

i m curious

[wintry solar]

2 for sure

[proven ocean]

2

[haughty wigeon]

not me

i dont talk about hall of fame

cause im pretty sure i wont get it without huge changes irl

so idc about it to much lmao

[proven ocean]

wait

ur

rem

no way i pinged

if u ever see me pinging you rem just make sure its by mistake

[haughty wigeon]

k

[proven ocean]

because i'll never ping you for anything

no cap

[haughty wigeon]

k

[proven ocean]

wheres ur old pfp

the pajamas one

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-slap-ass-gif-5115176

[haughty wigeon]

wanted to change it

i change pfps every week or so

rn its something i drew

as a commission

[hybrid path]

Ive farmed the "top" trinckets for rogue and i simmed them for M+ scenario, but the dmg it says on the sims its not the same that im getting on M+ (sometimes i get way more and sometimes i do way less) so i dont really know which ones to use

so i dunno which one to use tbh

also i have muzee and gallywix weapons, but i dunno wich one goes on main hand and offhand, ive simmed both on either slot and the sim tells me not to swap them in either of the positions

[covert kestrel]

Trinkets are kinda booty this tier so don't stress too much. Sims are just used for comparing gear directly, so don't compare your logs to sims in that way. If both weps are simming that same then it probably isn't a big difference between the two, although gally one might be swim bait iirc

[hybrid path]

just so i know im not fvcking this up

to sim average dmg in aoe

its 5 patchwerk 40sec or 1 minute

right?

[late swallow]

Ya’ll mind if I praise the lord real quick?

[wintry solar]

Yeah go ahead

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-guy-dance-meme-do-you-mind-if-i-praise-the-lord-gif-22674511

[hollow temple]

you can also just use dungeon slice

[desert tendon]

for outlaw just dslice is berry nice

since you re target capped anyway

[late swallow]

Hi censi 🙂

[desert tendon]

:)

arcane has as much offensives than defensives

sweet spot

[fiery timber]

our sub rogue didnt get HoC till now

[desert tendon]

[fiery timber]

if got HoC twice on rogue and hav it on enh and mage lmao

[desert tendon]

without hoc i wouldnt bother playing sub lmao

[soft shard]

are people playing trickster KIR on M gallywix because of cleave? I see KIR fatebound is recomended for ST

i guess its just Tomelvis but wondering if fatebound is that much worse for that fight

[compact moon]

What's up with healing done on cauldron?

[vapid sundial]

Don't look at outlaw healing done, it's a meme trap from killing spree.

[late swallow]

KS stagger counts as healing in logs

It’s fake

[desert tendon]

wdym fake

outlaw top meters

even if it s healing

gotta get nerf asap

remove the dot from ks, no more stagger

[fiery timber]

just remove kss completly

[hybrid path]

do we prefer radiant power or depths enchant for M+? cause ive seen top rogues and everyone has a different one?

[proven ocean]

johnny depp would run radiant power for M+

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel I was told you can no longer hit the dog boss on workshop during the cube venting flames part

they fixed the spot

is this true

[frail veldt]

most run radiant power

[covert kestrel]

The difference between enchants is like 0.1-0.2% its pretty inconsequential

[covert kestrel]

Ye was in the recent m+ hotfix

[frail veldt]

thats so so so fucking lame

aite outlaw is omega dead in workshop now

picking up sub

[covert kestrel]

Skill expression of tanking removed, fun detected

[haughty wigeon]

yes

[stray ginkgo]

That tomelvis guy sounds cooked as hell

[haughty wigeon]

tank skill expression on shit dog boss

removed

lovely

[covert kestrel]

Certainly has nothing on tompelvis

[stray ginkgo]

True

[lapis forge]

what are the default poisons I should use? atrophic and instant?

[hybrid crown]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[hollow temple]

Always instant, can use numbing in m+ mostly

[grim spear]

Sometimes crippling, like for the mine field in ml

[sullen wyvern]

good thing RNG jesus blessed me here

wait

wrong image

pvp boss never sent me down, blessed

[wicked acorn]

Idk if I am tripping

But anyone else play really badly when they're using HO builds

[sullen wyvern]

badly how

[lapis forge]

So this is the recommended HO Fatebound M+ build on wowhead, was wondering why we would take something like Unbreakable Stride instead of something else?

[wintry solar]

Should've bought a lottery ticket

[torpid fiber]

uhhhh this is bizarre why isn't it taking aoe blind

[cinder relic]

u can take any utility node u want

[torpid fiber]

it's also taking shadowheart the node that does literally nothing

[cinder relic]

yeah let me change those didn't realize the utility nodes were so bad

[torpid fiber]

the others are all on shiv/airborne irritant which seems like a reasonable default, easy to miss when there's so many builds

[torpid fiber]

yeah exactly i think anyone who blames you for this is probably a twitter user or a podcaster

[wicked acorn]

i just do fuck all damage

then i switch to kir and i blast

[frail veldt]

Does anyone know if you can KS on last boss of floodgate and the electric pools wont stun you?

it seems like they dont

[rotund zodiac]

Last time I did that, I got stunned

[frail veldt]

That's what I thought too but I was doing a 10 and not giving a fuck and I swear I stepped in it and it didn't stun me

Not sure I'll try it again though

Unless I do another 10

[rotund zodiac]

but I had the electric debuff and KS into safe puddle

[cinder haven]

Only electrified pools are dangerous at all

But you probably know that already

[frail veldt]

yeah I knew that much

[frail veldt]

I think that only happens on creation of the puddle yeah

but I mean after there are already electric puddles

I should have saved the replay

[upbeat tundra]

i think i found a bug

for some reason when my tank pulls 25 monsters in the computer game he does more damage than me

[runic bough]

this trinket is utter garbage
3 casts the entire key

[novel pier]

need more computers

[runic bough]

why even make trinket that doesnt do anything

baffling

[fluid meadow]

"Skipping Lieutenants in the Priory of the Sacred Flame Dungeon" imagine this will stay until tgp ends and fixing after that immediately as usual, or maybe next week fix?

[upbeat tundra]

why make yugioh cards that aren't rare or are not powerful

why does diablo 4 (d4bad) have unique items that arent very good

[magic shuttle]

Pretty sure they nerf that trinket not so long ago

[rotund zodiac]

!prepull

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[runic bough]

no matter how good i do

im stuck at 1.8-9mil overall

is this really all

hmmm

IS THIS ALL YOU CAN CONJURE SARUMAN

[wide nexus]

Damn 1.8-9mil is a huge range

[short fulcrum]

9 mil overall

[chilly atlas]

it must feel good when you do the 9 mil, and you uninstall when you do 1.8

[runic bough]

xD

[rotund zodiac]

[vivid vessel]

Ye fatebound is worse because it's mega bad whenever there is adds alive, trickster will most likely do more st and then it will do infinitly more AOE

[vivid vessel]

They only stun if you have the debuff from the dispell om you, and the frame when an orb enter a pool

[vivid vessel]

Maybe stop playing the most trash builds you can think of and you might start doing damage tho

[rotund zodiac]

btw does it hurt if you grappling through puddles?

I need more uptime on that boss

[vivid vessel]

I don't think so no

I do it sometimes

Didn't notice

[rotund zodiac]

hmm

Ty zac

[frail veldt]

gotcha, is that true all the time or specifically for KS touching it? Like can I run through an electrified pool as long as I dont have debuff?

[wide nexus]

Nah you can't run through the electrified pools

Never tried grappling through them but that sounds sketchy

[real badge]

Is this Build far behind trickster HO?

[vivid vessel]

All the time ye

[vivid vessel]

Idk I'm 99% sure this is wrong

Why couldn't you

Cause I'm almost certain I'm right about the stun part

[wide nexus]

I might be wrong I am definitely not ready to die on this hill

[elder phoenix]

i mean you wont know unless you tried

@vivid vessel right?

[vivid vessel]

i would have gotten stunned by now

and im fairly certani i just graple trough sometimes

or run idk

idk about run i never run i jsut grapple

[vapid sundial]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[vapid sundial]

Grr

[trail star]

can you still recraft 675 rings for free crest upgrades?

[vivid vessel]

no

[runic bough]

guys

as kir

do i dispatch only outisde subt?

[vivid vessel]

yuo also bte

coup and ks

[runic bough]

im playing fate

[vivid vessel]

why

[runic bough]

im coping just to play outlaw

no need ks

[vivid vessel]

Coping what

I don't really get it

[vapid sundial]

Coping a feel of deez

[vivid vessel]

You do like 5s ryuk aren't you

You aren't risking anything with ks

[runic bough]

coping to not play ks but to feel outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Hm

@cinder relic btw

I think it's the first time

Outlaw is actually better objectively on last boss

Like imo

And we get fucked over by killing spree which is a shame

[fathom bramble]

Outlaw would be so good this tier if it weren’t for ks

[vivid vessel]

well idk about so good but

objectively

last boss

would be an outlaw boss

[fathom bramble]

I mean good on at least half the boss time between one arm, gally, and first 4

[vivid vessel]

Ye sure

I mean one arm imo as a progress

Was a sub boss

By miles

But outlaw is still decent

At doing damage on it

Just imo wrong prog choice cause it doesn't help the hard parts

Unlike Gally where it's only "bad" on the first 20 sec of the fight then it's just objectively better

Or same

But just better

[agile orchid]

is mythic gally actually an outlaw boss?

I would think assa is better

[vivid vessel]

I think we will end up first boss damage and first overall damage in gally

I'm not far from it

And I didn't prog as outlaw and my gear is weird

[fathom bramble]

Gally is good if you can successfully extract ks value

[fathom bramble]

We are really good on it in theory, but it will be a lot harder than just playing sin

[vivid vessel]

like even boss damage im just right behind

[wintry solar]

Deez what?

[random stirrup]

Do u think sub or assa is better on gally mr zac

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw

[random stirrup]

I saw u had both in ur raid

[vivid vessel]

seems like its assa

just more boss daamage

but i mean i didnt even do bad boss damage as sub either

was r1 tho at the time

and mind you

i missed an entire set of cd

cause im bad

[vapid sundial]

[vivid vessel]

i think i would have been way way higher

honestly

i think sub can r1 boss damage

i think if i had gotten that last cd set

i would be close to r1 boss damage

and i also had no gear as sub

Sub on Gally is very cool

If you play it well

Its a very satisfying sub fight imo

Cause you don't get rnged

So you can just perfect GCD the fight

It's cool

[random stirrup]

ya it feels good

we wiped to hard enrage today

[vivid vessel]

Noob

[random stirrup]

real

[vapid sundial]

Just do More dam

Find a new trickster bug

[vivid vessel]

you playing sub then ?

[random stirrup]

ye

[vivid vessel]

good

[random stirrup]

assa was alright on mugzee

[vivid vessel]

make sure you never delay cds

i cloak on the uh

[random stirrup]

ya i studied up

[vivid vessel]

the aoe before you go right

[random stirrup]

our guild's st is a tad low but god do aoe burst adds just evaporate

[vivid vessel]

thats fine

sub always have the time to press sec tech to get its pad out

goated spec

[lunar tundra]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter the dungeon to get 2 Supercharger stacks.
• DO NOT RTB again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, similarly do not AR early inside the bubble or you will lose the combo points.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open on pack with AR into BtE.

[ebon reef]

Does outlaw perform better on stix than sub on average?

Been playing sub on it mostly but ball and other stuff fuck up my CDs sometimes n I've been thinking of trying outlaw on it

[vivid vessel]

idk its kinda wild rng on a fight like that honestly

if you get picked at the wrong time

can be quite hard

[novel socket]

question about outlaw aoe

because they made changes in sin aoe with spatter

is the blade flurry aoe around outlaw or around the target ?

[vivid vessel]

You

[novel socket]

okie

no changes for us

sadge

thanks

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rotund zodiac]

New outlaw talent idea: Ricochet
Pistol Shot has 30% chance to hit 2 additional targets within 8yards of the main targets, 100% chance if it’s critical hit. Also get cps for each target hit.

[vivid vessel]

rng cp gain is so trash

i only support ss

i like when you know what you are going to get

ss is already borderline annoying sometimes

Like with fatebound and tt

And that crit giving cps talents

In s1

And SS could give between 1 cp and 6 cp or smth

Bro like

[ebon reef]

Tru

If I don't get the first ball sorting I gap everyone

[haughty wigeon]

@vagrant minnow I have a outlaw fix for u

[ebon reef]

If I get the first ball I'm racing with the vdh

But outlaw seems more consistent with the possible pad on the adds you drop from ball

[vivid vessel]

hm

[ebon reef]

Top log has a 500k difference

[vivid vessel]

i thibnk ideally you wnna get the first bal maybe

idk which is better

[ebon reef]

I'm delaying my flag for first sort cast

I don't do it on pull like the rest

[royal crane]

does outlaw feel better when you hit that 18% haste or however much it is

[ebon reef]

I might see how it feels with outlaw on a few pulls if I don't get murdered

[vivid vessel]

cause if you get first ball hten you can send everything oon cd without worry

[royal crane]

Cuz currently I feel it is a little bit hard to get your shit going

[haughty wigeon]

Fanshot: spender: costs 60 energy and 1-7 combo points. You swing and shoot your pistol causing 1000/5AP per combo point DEALING LESS DAMAGE AFTER 8 targets. You also apply a debuff on the targets that drains your 3% health to cause 100ap per second for ten seconds

You see

[ebon reef]

That's true

[haughty wigeon]

With this

Outlaw is uncapped

But it’s balanced

[ebon reef]

But for some reason even without using anything

[haughty wigeon]

And keeps outlaw fantasy

[ebon reef]

I just race vdh

[haughty wigeon]

By killing you

[ebon reef]

I saw I had more consistent dmg after delaying for 24 seconds or so

But first ball rng

[haughty wigeon]

Now I wait for quake to wake up

And read my cool outlaw suggestion

[ebon reef]

Is there even a fight you don't instantly send CDs as outlaw

[vivid vessel]

wtf is this shit

im blocking you again

[rotund zodiac]

I troll the raid and immediately let the ball hit the boss

go back to dpsing

[ebon reef]

Problem is

Officers got a bot to track these

[haughty wigeon]

But I’ve fixed outlaw

I uncapped it

And gave it a cool finisher

[ebon reef]

Why don't you make it like you're shooting the knife with a pistol so the bullet scatters

[wintry solar]

Well I liked the cook

[vivid vessel]

you gave it a dot

i dont want no dot

on outlaw

fuck dots man

[haughty wigeon]

Dots are the future

[wintry solar]

There's a lot of things outlaw has that I don't want

[haughty wigeon]

Imagine doing good dam

And each target you hit

[wintry solar]

But I'm sucking it up

[haughty wigeon]

It’s a cone btw

Sorry I wasn’t clear

Gets this dot

[vivid vessel]

you would have to mouseover your dot btw

on every target

[haughty wigeon]

That ya know keeps outlaw fantasy

By killing u like dreadblades

While doing good dam

[vivid vessel]

[haughty wigeon]

It’s genius

[ebon reef]

Dots on outlaw sounds horrible

[wintry solar]

You can scrap "outlaw fantasy" from your vocabulary because it doesn't exist

[ebon reef]

Don't make my 2nd fav spec into my 1st least favourite spec

[vivid vessel]

havent seen these in forever btw

thought discord scapred the idea

cause it was dumb and useless

[ebon reef]

Nope

They implemented them

Even though they said they probably wouldnt

[vivid vessel]

its crazy its actually a free adv

imagine if you manage to get that for like nuddy egirl scam discord

banger

[ebon reef]

Would say so, but I like the name

[ebon reef]

It's regulated iirc

I've seen mostly about community ones, game ones or an LGBT one

Haven't seen any weird ones yet

Feature got rolled only to few

[final atlas]

Are you guys using any plater profiles? Im using Jundies but in big pulls i have no idea where im standing becouse of all those nameplates

[ebon reef]

I'm using robin's

And it's pretty tidy

Maybe get a better preset

[rotund zodiac]

I got meow

Cuz cat is cool

[potent gyro]

Holy moly are we cooking in here again?

[potent gyro]

Smelled this cook from my sleep and floated to my pc like one of those old cartoons when they smell a pie

[haughty wigeon]

[potent gyro]

[brisk spear]

!ambush

wtf is the macro

!ss

[ornate heath]

Since 10.2, ambush will now replace SS with an audacity proc, this means that you can bind SS and Ambush on the same bind.
Builds without HO still do not want to press ambush in stealth, to circumvent that you can use this macro:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wary wind]

Do other spec discords just spend a decent amount of time dreaming up abilities or changes to the spec

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

That's legit every game tbf

[torpid fiber]

only so many times you can complain about the same things, not that you'd know it from this channel

[vivid vessel]

Really

I feel like we can complain infinitely about the same thing

Look at target cap

[torpid fiber]

nah there's a cap on complaints it's just higher than 8 so we can't count high enough

[vivid vessel]

Nice

[agile orchid]

I hope we are getting some substantial class changes in 11.1.7

[wintry solar]

8 is also the level of keys you start to get declines on

[vivid vessel]

Outlaw could get a 10% bf buff and it still wouldn't be good in m+ rn

That spec is crazy ngl

[shell fossil]

outlaw fun

[wintry solar]

It's alright

[crude flower]

If you are lucky

[wintry solar]

Real

[hasty warren]

yooo

[shell fossil]

most damage done in overall raid last time i saw in a youtubers summary of wcl

s'fun

[wary wind]

I mean if they don’t want to remove the Iconic Teleportation look from kspre maybe we could have trickster based around blade rush

[shell fossil]

tanks have gotten a bit better at making room for kspree admittedly

bad that it's only choice rn

[wintry solar]

If the dmg loss wasn't so noticeable in play, I'd just take the L and play fatebound

[stray ginkgo]

Where is @runic bough

Need him for this one

[digital linden]

wdym

[desert tendon]

[vivid vessel]

You have to play like a psychopath to properly send ks on cd on gally

[digital linden]

is holding ks that big of a damage difference?

[magic shuttle]

Holding too long yeah

Since you're delaying you unseen blade stacks and reducing amount of coup casts you can get in

[vivid vessel]

Well ye lol

[digital linden]

but u dont hold too long during gally do you?

[vivid vessel]

Depends how you play

I think it's easy to lose a lot of damage by holding stuffs

[glass mortar]

using kspree on cd on OaB is

a pain in the ass

[patent mirage]

I wonder what devs were thinking

When they based trickster around ks

[spare dome]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-nod-cap-white-house-elon-musk-elon-musk-nod-gif-1745564845115574167

[patent mirage]

" they love ks why not "

[glass mortar]

they were thinking "i need a sec tech equivalent for outlaw"

and that was the only ability

🙂

at least they had the forthought to make it very weak for outlaw

shame that didnt last

[patent mirage]

That would be the perfect chance to rework ks

But we all know that the universe has two constants

Ks and riposte

[quaint delta]

dumb question - prepull AR+RTB is the go-to in trickster builds? I was confused to see bliz putting AR/RTB on that prepull change, but I think I was mostly thinking fatebound (because AR triggers an attack)

[glass mortar]

u AR RtB after the pull

[desert tendon]

Pressing ks on gally

Zac à madman

I want to play outlaw as much as i wanted on tindral

Aka not at all

[glass mortar]

its real fun on OaB

my favorite is how sometimes even tho u waited for the fire nados to pass anyway ur kspree still decides to throw that ass 6 yards from the boss hitbox into the single fire tornado swirling in range

and burn ur cloak

[warm remnant]

asking for a friend what would you do if your main, (in theory ofcourse was stuck in a dc loop) and unstuck service doesnt work?

[glass mortar]

just wait for the game to realize its bricked and teleport ur character somewhere safe. sometimes it takes some time

[sullen wyvern]

Did we get any last minute tuning

[glass mortar]

if it lasts more then like an hour id probably open a support ticket

[glass mortar]

lol

lmao even

kekw

[sullen wyvern]

[vagrant minnow]

I was asleep at this time for once also I’d never play this gabagool spec

[desert tendon]

Jajaja

Quake go play outlaw now

[vagrant minnow]

I refuse

I only play one gabagool spec per class and rogue is covered

[glass mortar]

???? there is no other gabagool specs for rogue this season

[desert tendon]

So

Does that mean

[vagrant minnow]

That’s the secret cap, they’re all gabagool

[desert tendon]

U cant play mage?

Since all 3 specs are great

[vagrant minnow]

Only one spec (frost)

[desert tendon]

Which is better than all 3 rogue specs

Tuning wise

[proven ocean]

Guys

Is this april fools

[desert tendon]

And top 5 spec in m+

[proven ocean]

Why is zac using quake’s name again

Or is it real quake this time

[desert tendon]

Among Fire arcane boomie uh

[vagrant minnow]

Yeah I’m not talking about tuning just design

[stiff hawk]

You know what not a secret cap?

Blade Flurry

[desert tendon]

I think frost is very fun rn

[royal crane]

Real talk, I get why arcane is good now for the prio dmg, but is it legit just that mage is okay, has BL and can survive most things is why its played?

[vagrant minnow]

Yeah that’s hard capped

[desert tendon]

But some disagree

[proven ocean]

I love you quake

[royal crane]

Doesnt dev do way more dmg

[proven ocean]

No homo cuh

[vagrant minnow]

I’m not a ranged fan in general just picked up last season

[vagrant minnow]

Ily semi homo

But no homo

[desert tendon]

The only issue of mage is that all 3 specs generate too much ressources

[proven ocean]

[desert tendon]

Too much ib to much frozenshit too much arcane charges

U dont really plan ressources anymore

U just munch à lot

[royal crane]

Yeah as arcane you just fire off the barrage constnatly I get that

but mage is not that much better than the other BL options

so it must be survivability and BL?

[desert tendon]

And arcane intell

And 3 aoe top

Stops

[royal crane]

yeah I guess so

[desert tendon]

And shorter range kick

And decurse

And blablabla

[stray ginkgo]

Mage defensives

[desert tendon]

The thing about mages defensives

Is that

U dont press them

[stray ginkgo]

Decurse not too good this season i feel kinda niche

[desert tendon]

Check hopefull and count how many times he presse them

[royal crane]

I feel safer on rogue than on my mage, but that might be a mistake

Like bad play from me

[glass mortar]

mage is squishier without personals

[desert tendon]

Decurse is mandatory in top / rookery

Specially rookery

[royal crane]

but you already play druid

[desert tendon]

U need 2 decurses

[glass mortar]

ya its gr8 watching him discover all the things that 1 shots him in 14s

[stray ginkgo]

Maybe hopefull has a better healer than me bc I'm slamming them on CD

[royal crane]

yeah okay

[glass mortar]

because he doesnt press them

u definitly need to press stuff

as mage

[desert tendon]

Weran

[proven ocean]

Weran cooked

[desert tendon]

Fun fact

[stray ginkgo]

Yeh i would say 2/8 is niche alright

[desert tendon]

Hopefull press icefloes and invi like

Once every 3 keys

[glass mortar]

yup

[desert tendon]

[stray ginkgo]

Ice flows not a defensive

[desert tendon]

Icecold

Yea

Mb

I confuse them names

Here my défensives buttons as mage

[stray ginkgo]

Yeh I'm bottom damage taken in most keys as frost bc mega vers and fat defensive slamming/barrier

[desert tendon]

[stray ginkgo]

Shit is illegal

[proven ocean]

Why are u making it half visible

I legit

[royal crane]

Only 6 of them

[proven ocean]

Never

Understood that

[stray ginkgo]

I have 31% as frost with motw

[proven ocean]

At all

Like

Why

?

Do u make them

Barely visible

[desert tendon]

I like that way zero

[proven ocean]

Explain

[desert tendon]

It s all

[royal crane]

BEcause they arent active, and are ready

[desert tendon]

It s vers visible

Very

[royal crane]

I have 2% versa on my mage, I get hit hard bro

[desert tendon]

Also they Turn 100% opacity when active

As u can see on my personnal barrier

Time remaining on middle. CD on top right. Ammount of shield on bottom

[stray ginkgo]

Just pushing mass barrier on CD and keeping up ice barrier and poping 1-2 health pots a key gets me 99% key parses for healing

[desert tendon]

Do u Know how strong is arcane barrière?

[stray ginkgo]

I havent touched arcane since legion

So no

[royal crane]

yeah just a nice 2 milly

[desert tendon]

And these additionals effects

Works on mass bzrrier also

Ofc

[royal crane]

how much is fire barrier?

[desert tendon]

Same

[stray ginkgo]

Uhhhh, I think that number isn't far off the frost barrier numbers

[royal crane]

Frost barrier is stronger as I recall

[desert tendon]

20% Max hp

Or 15

Frost barrier also aplly à Fire barrier at 25% efficiency

So more raw shield

All 3 barriers are the same ammount

[glass mortar]

they should all be the same % hp

the only difference is from hero talents

[desert tendon]

Just Fire is shield

Frost is reducing attack speed

Arcane is massive magic dr

[glass mortar]

reduces duration of magic debuffs on u

and gives magic DR doesnt it

[desert tendon]

But all the 3 shields are the same am

I sent à screenshot above weran

Which is cool because all these effects are in the mass barrier

So it makes arcane mass barrier à giga group def

[glass mortar]

so happi mages got mass barrier

they really suffer raid utility and party utility wise

mass invis also a banger

just incase shroud skips ever relevant

[desert tendon]

It s 3mn cds now at least

[glass mortar]

hope they get mass blink soon

so they can replace warlock gates as well

[desert tendon]

And 20% Max hp

[glass mortar]

[desert tendon]

In sl iirc

It was 25 or 30% Max hp

And 2mn

Df* not sl

[proven ocean]

@royal crane yo yo frog guy

Are u outlaw main

Or what

I dont remember us having a frog here

Do u jump irl too

[covert kestrel]

YEAH FROGMAN SPEAK UP

wait thats zac

[royal crane]

Outlaw is my fav?

[proven ocean]

IS IT ZA

C

[long barn]

I’m at work and deciding if to hurry home. Can anyone give me planned time servers back up?

[royal crane]

I am kinda mixed on it currently though, but that's just from the current talents, and I kinda feel the haste need is annoying me

[covert kestrel]

dont

[desert tendon]

Froggy is in reality forggy twin

[covert kestrel]

the estimate is in like8 hrs lmao

[desert tendon]

The mage main

[royal crane]

Im not but I also play mage, so that has been confusing on the discord

[desert tendon]

I think forggy use an ignite pfp for years now

So no confusion allowed

[royal crane]

I like Bloodborne, so Outlaw was the only choice

[red zinc]

What would you hurry for

Like no offense but there isnt really anything to do

[potent briar]

6pm est

[hybrid crown]

Maaannnn I don't wanna wait for my vault

Gimme loot

[hasty warren]

have to wait 15h here dw

[hybrid crown]

That elder scrolls 4 announcement is in 1 hour I can replace vault dopamine with that I guess

[stiff hawk]

Me too and itll be last Mythic Raid Vualt for some time and it has chance for Bandit loot

[patent mirage]

so the changes were reverted right

so i stand again with my statement that wowhead clickbaited there

[hasty warren]

GL pirate friend

[glass mortar]

it makes sense in the changes didnt make any sense so

maybe just something they were toying with on the backend who knows

[patent mirage]

sometimes they change things back and forth or just for an area

beta sl you could use covenant abilities only in sl areas

which didnt make it live

but some articles were like " reee blizzard fix it "

[hasty warren]

a bit cringe they fixed prepull adr and rtb bur didn't touch KS at all

I'd prefer they keep ignore us than confirming ks is ok rn

[gaunt phoenix]

The prepull thing reads like an accident, a bunch of spells were flipped from encounter end to encounter start

and it probably took 48 seconds to revert it

[glass mortar]

and also it was a list of like... 5 classes primary cds and nobody elses

and also for some reason outlaws rtB buffs 🤔

an accident sounds about right

[brisk meadow]

Outlaw's being outlaw's dooming on non existent changes

[glass mortar]

well it was an existing change when it was posted

🙂

[hasty warren]

There's no abuse with it ?

[glass mortar]

and it was posted literally the night before the patch 🙂

[hasty warren]

like a fullbuff prepull

[glass mortar]

not since DF

[trail star]

well isnt that what happened in keys

[glass mortar]

sure, that was a targeted nerf at outlaws prekey cheese

[trail star]

outlaw stuff is removed when you start a key

[glass mortar]

because outlaw is well known for being a bit too op during first pull of a dungeon

[trail star]

meanwhile druids, dhs and idk who else can prepull all their cds

and lose nothing

[hasty warren]

I mean it was possible with turnip no ?

[glass mortar]

u cant summon a turnip in raid

[hasty warren]

in key

[glass mortar]

they didnt make any changes to pre keys

[brisk meadow]

Good ol' 6buff kir everbloom first pull

I miss it

[trail star]

yeah, perma stunned with pugs

[glass mortar]

the changes on wowhead didnt make any sense because none of the abilities listed were used to "prepull" cheese and being able to prepull RtB is even intended

it was just an accident probably that wowhead picked up

[hasty warren]

really, pretty sure the nerfs also applied to keys

[glass mortar]

they did not

just raid bosses

u could still do all the prekey stuff

[vivid vessel]

well

no

[glass mortar]

oh did it break something prekey?

[vivid vessel]

the prekye things where removede

in s1

[glass mortar]

oh

yea i mean it didnt change anything

the wowhead stuff didnt change anything for anyone other then making our life slightly more inconvienent sometimes

thats my whole point. it didnt make sense

[trail star]

That was a direct attack to outlaws

I am still trying to make sense of that change

What is the point of removing all outlaw stuff but leave dh and druids intact

and other classes

you could argue outlaw was too op ~ it wasnt
you could argue it was a fair move because no other class did it ~ they did and they still do

[late swallow]

good morning fellow gooners

anything new to seethe about?

[hasty warren]

I've a question about CC usage, is it ok to blind or stun during crackshot windows ?

or the lose of gcp/cp is too important

[brisk meadow]

Depends if the cast is on you or not

[pearl trout]

if that means not dying horribly, yes

losing DPS vs losing DPS

[tropic zephyr]

im doing a zero to hero challenge with friends and we all chose the most hated spec for each other, i got fury
goddamn playing law after playing fury is like going from 240p 30fps to 8k 244fps

[hasty warren]

because in team I told to let me cc in case no one can so I can keep vanish a bit to use CC

but maybe i'm wrong

[glass mortar]

i mean purposefully using vanish to cc is going to be a noticable dps loss

its ur highest damage window and ur spending gcds on zero dps

it should be an absolute last resort we are going to die sorta thing

or someones going to die anyway

[polar niche]

so they remove prepull mechanich?

[glass mortar]

no

[polar niche]

adr going away

[glass mortar]

check the pins

[cinder relic]

I'm upset that removed the boss reset thing

I can't believe the Devs would bait and switch us outlaw players like that

[late swallow]

the fact that devs didn't give us the dignity of a proper nerf is unfuriating

[cinder relic]

For real. Honestly disgusting bait and switch going on

[bright crane]

Blame the shareholders

This was all planned at the top

Time to wake UP

[cinder relic]

Yep

[jolly geyser]

ghostcrawlers fault

[late swallow]

a lot of people don't know this, but ghostcrawler is the cousin Kanye mentioned in his tweet

[crude flower]

How many buttons does outlaw have

[peak dock]

Like a lot xd

[glass mortar]

probably like 10 now

havent recounted since tea and ER changes

[desert tendon]

I mean can count

Ambsuh ss adr gs BF dispatch bte vanish

Ks

Kir if kir

Rtb

That s it?

[honest sparrow]

ps

[glass mortar]

r we counting ambush like its not just SS

[desert tendon]

U need both bound

[glass mortar]

for 0.5% dps sure

[desert tendon]

So i assumed no

[glass mortar]

probably less now a day

[crude flower]

10 isn’t that many buttons tbf

[desert tendon]

Yea it s not

It s average

It s not fire mage level

[crude flower]

Just confused by the dude saying “a lot”

[desert tendon]

Pyrro ball ib Phoenix bust

[crude flower]

Like I was expecting a lot to be 15+ or smth

[dawn talon]

hey you need fs bound

[glass mortar]

nah we used to be like top 3 for buttons

[dawn talon]

and uhhh

[glass mortar]

but they removed a bunch with the recooks they did

[desert tendon]

The difficulty of outlaw isnt the ammount of buttons

It s the execution

[glass mortar]

the only thing about outlaw is u dont have any buttons with long cds

like i have binds specifically for buttons with 2m+ cds

[crude flower]

Don’t think anyone said it was

[glass mortar]

cant use them on outlaw

all our buttons r sub 1 minute cds

[desert tendon]

Yea they re all pressed often

[glass mortar]

all need to be fast accesible

[desert tendon]

U dont have à 2mn cd

Kir is longer but you need to press It fast sometimes so still need to be accessible

[timber knoll]

any w ord on if there will be tuning coming soon

[desert tendon]

[crude flower]

Tbh i barely know what’s coming in this patch

Today/tomorrow it’s like nothing right

Cause they are doing it in waves

[timber knoll]

it's the classic blizzard thing where a new patch comes out and you have to wait a week before you can do anything with it

[glass mortar]

ok this post is a banger

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1k519az/other_tanks_build_defense_i_build_character/

[peak dock]

May i ask is CMK that good on more than 8 targets?? Is it better at 6/6h than a crafted 675 oh?

[dawn talon]

i think this post is meming on someone else

[crude flower]

I don’t know where these copy pastas came from

[honest sparrow]

The button we can go the longest without pressing is probably bf

[dawn talon]

ive seen like

[crude flower]

But I love them

[dawn talon]

5 of of these

yeah

[vivid vessel]

did i miss a banger kaynye tweet?

[glass mortar]

you missed a kanye tweet at least

[steep rampart]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[dawn talon]

kanye's psychosis is over and he's doing the like 100 tweets of traumadumping now

nothing funny it's just sad

[glass mortar]

yea never really got the attraction of watching someone with serious mental health issues crashing out on social media

but at least hes disgustingly rich so

things wont end too badly for him

[dawn talon]

people don't have empathy for mental illness this severe because they can't comprehend it's not just them choosing to be malicious on purpose

[vivid vessel]

I thought he had been doing that for a while now

[red zinc]

not to this degree