outlaw

[wintry solar]

I still did enough damage though because I had crackshot and ace so it didn't really matter

But uh

Not fun. Quite literally missing half the mechanics of the build.

[rotund zodiac]

the crippled build ahhh

[wintry solar]

Real

Also keep in mind I'm only doing no more than 13s this season so I can literally do anything and it'll be fine

That's when rewards stop getting higher right?

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[rotund zodiac]

I’ll try to get all 15s and I’ll be done with this season

[crimson thicket]

the knuckles are mine https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jt9gx2p9ozSk6DdGUpo6QV

[runic bough]

guys

wep is my first craft

what wep emb should i get

i can craft it off later when i get 3 crafts

[frail veldt]

focusing lens

[analog fog]

hope its a dagger

[hard nimbus]

guys, heroic conductor whislte vs mega magnet. what shud i choose for M+? my other trinket is Mythic Signet. Magnet slight edge in DSlice

[hollow temple]

Gotta be a dagger

Unleash the bleest

[gaunt phoenix]

Magnet

[runic bough]

guys

Im having a lot of fun with KIR actually

I never liked it before

I changed the keybind for KIR and it changed it up to where its fun to press now

so if I play kir im not too far behind i guess

im having so much fun

but the dmg is still low

xD

[fluid meadow]

soo fun weekly keys are too high to get inv to cinder practice gg

[runic bough]

when i get to 12 keys should i just stop

outlaw so badge at aoe

[novel socket]

Is there a spreadsheet that lists all the ways people have found that you can cheese boss mechanics in raid with rogue ?

[hollow temple]

nop

[novel socket]

Sadge

[vivid vessel]

@proven ocean you were right today is an holiday I forgot

So I woke up early for nothing but that makes this day extra long banger

I'm making it worthwhile

[random stirrup]

have the most fun possible:

dying to ks

in keys

[vivid vessel]

Ye imma be doing that today

Holy

[random stirrup]

[vivid vessel]

One of my favorites thing is actually waking up early for work an realizing there is no work

It's even better than not waking up cause you know there is no work

[astral wind]

Inb4 they're looking for lust because the MM refuses to summon a pet to do it

[vivid vessel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpfpAxdE2o0&ab_channel=MaximumClips ok max is against target cap now

maybe we are saved soon

since dude basically work at blizzard

[hollow temple]

you mean warrior and windwalker might be saved

[vivid vessel]

tirckz

dont do this to me

cause i tought about that aswell

[hollow temple]

[torpid fiber]

yeah i saw they titled an episode of PoddyC something about target caps and I was like "ok they're going to fix them soon"

[hollow temple]

its possible

half the time those guys complain about stuff, it gets changed

[vivid vessel]

ye

we joke about it a lot

but its actually true so

[hollow temple]

yeh

i really wish they would listen to the bigger pvpers

they like never fucking do

[magic shuttle]

ngl I wish they didn't nerf prot warr a while back

very hard to find one in lfg

[loud wing]

So what you're saying is outlaw is getting psychic link next patch

[jolly geyser]

"Whats pvp?"

[hollow temple]

The best game mode

[wintry solar]

Where the dopamine is

[umbral verge]

Also the worst

[magic shuttle]

great gamemode held back by queue times

[wintry solar]

When you get tired of pressing W key to get out of circles, the arena will be right there with open arms.

[magic shuttle]

maybe if I find a healer for 2's the queue times would go down

[wintry solar]

It would

[magic shuttle]

but solo shuffle is unreasonably long

[wintry solar]

I exclusively play 2s and 3s

[astral wind]

Let's not put pressure on the 1 person who balances PvP guys (there should only be 1 it doesn't deserve more resource)

[wintry solar]

PvP has better rewards than M+

Owned

[magic shuttle]

gotta get this awesome looking set

[wintry solar]

So good

Especially with the Wraithchill enchant

[magic shuttle]

think i'm gonna get elite appearance faster than gladiator one

[wintry solar]

Yeah same lol

I'm still missing like half the glad set

If I do, I'm going to wait until next expac to buy it because outlaw in pvp rn raises my bp.

[magic shuttle]

time to try the spec after nerfs

maybe it's time for gsw

after ps buffs

[wintry solar]

It is not

Try yourself. I thought the same thing lol.

[fluid meadow]

higher bf hit over bte, how possible, procc or what?

[runic bough]

you guys dont know style

let me get my rogue

i just logged off need to restart

[wintry solar]

You still playing gsw

[runic bough]

im playing kir now

[wintry solar]

Amazing

[torpid fiber]

trickster can get over 100% blade flurry cleave with grand melee up

[wintry solar]

They grow up so fast

[cosmic dove]

du you rtb in Vanish/SF windows to get better rolls ?

[runic bough]

ARE YOU READY FOR MY NEW MOG

we are shirtless cow now

[jolly geyser]

[runic bough]

my weapons

Its the start of a new journey again.

Outlaw here we go.

I missed it so much.

-Ryukage
Out of Retirement
ACTIVE DUTY

[karmic fox]

For HO with Supercharger)
This build happens to be able to push the rules further and roll on cooldown if you don't get a natural 5. However if you have 4 total buffs including CTO then you can sit on them until it becomes 3 before rolling.

[wintry solar]

Its the start of a new journey again.
Outlaw here we go.
I missed it so much.
-Ryukage
Out of Retirement
ACTIVE

[tacit fractal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[haughty wigeon]

so lok

how was your first forum aggro experience

[icy cedar]

I haven't been this highly ranked as a rogue since BFA

...but im still a pleb

dead class qq

[runic bough]

my post has sparked some chatting in the wox post now gg

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489/75

Guys go post

[icy cedar]

i mean the devs lurk in the discords don't they, they know we all hate killing spree already

they just hate us

[runic bough]

this is true

but still

on their forums makes it more official

even if they ignore their own forums as well

im tempted to make a outlaw rework post

not just for killingspree

for everything wrong with outlaw

[fathom bramble]

why are you asking me a question without pinging me?

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxpuqX1e08z42mNjZKNnxkFcPgD9wjtZNy?si=a53ihK3_XBAPw7wH

[fathom bramble]

are you assuming I just have this on a third monitor or something

[vivid vessel]

i mean he got you there tho

[haughty wigeon]

its rude to ping people

i feel like

[vivid vessel]

[haughty wigeon]

especially if its not important

[vivid vessel]

its rude to not

[haughty wigeon]

oh

[runic bough]

[haughty wigeon]

my bad

[runic bough]

Who is Ryuki guys

[icy cedar]

lol zac, big balls ks

[haughty wigeon]

a pvper i think

[vivid vessel]

I mean not really even

[icy cedar]

i need that save me ks weak aura

[haughty wigeon]

from what i gathered from his other forum posts

[vivid vessel]

its just unlucky its bugged

[icy cedar]

what is it called

[vivid vessel]

but at least im proccing cheat on cd

so thats fine

[haughty wigeon]

hes steadily getting as annoying as mafic

[wintry solar]

Maybe just do the mechanics

[vivid vessel]

what mechanic

[fathom bramble]

to answer the question though

I don't like it

[vivid vessel]

when will you guys realize you do 0 damage cause you are never pressing ks

[fathom bramble]

it feels like your spamming the forum thread if you respond to someones inane ramblings over and over

[wintry solar]

Imma be honest. That message was the first thing I read.

[vivid vessel]

ye forums should be a 5 day slow mode

[haughty wigeon]

lowkey yes and you lose the plot quickly

thats how alot of feedbackthreads go to shit

it also empathsis how you really dont go to the forums unless you want to throw in your 2 cents or actively want to fight people

[icy cedar]

ya my guildies are always like 'just don't press ks' and im like, if i can't press it asap it, this spec doesn't do damage

[vivid vessel]

wait is ryuki you @runic bough

[haughty wigeon]

put in what you want, answer a question or two. then leave

[runic bough]

we are on strike, we cant use ks. Thats the idea of a strike.

[fathom bramble]

surely not

[haughty wigeon]

return a week later

when new ptr patch comes in

[runic bough]

I am not Ryuki

[vivid vessel]

ok good

[runic bough]

I agree with Lok

[vivid vessel]

otherwise i would have ganged up on you

[haughty wigeon]

please dont insult ryu

[vivid vessel]

rn

[runic bough]

xD

[vivid vessel]

lil 1v1 to start the day

[runic bough]

Zac u better watch out

im good at kir now

[wintry solar]

We love Ryu

[runic bough]

i just need some gears

my goal is to try non-tier maxing high vers gears against tier set this season.

[wintry solar]

You know

[runic bough]

I really think this tier set is just crap garbage

like ks

[wintry solar]

The cool part about this is next season, you don't have to worry about the two tier bonuses overlapping

[runic bough]

At least I leveled up a bit going to KIR from HO all my life.

[wintry solar]

You can just get 4 set and not worry about when to swap for 2pc

[runic bough]

that would be so funny

if Outlaw had no tier set next season

and blizzard has to hotfix it in

I need to make a forum post on the lackluster customer service and Outlaw as a whole.

I mentioned we pay monthly fee's we dont even get tuning updates on if a class is working as intended.

Its always silence until the next patch.

[vivid vessel]

ok this ryuki guy is so stupid actually

[shell fossil]

outlaw

[runic bough]

PoPo thinks Ryuki is a pvper

maybe thats why

[wintry solar]

I never said that

[haughty wigeon]

I said that ryu

[shell fossil]

also adrenaline rush vanish macro ?_?

[haughty wigeon]

And I only said that

[runic bough]

ok my bad it was twlight

[shell fossil]

y/y

[haughty wigeon]

Cause he brags about pvp rank on a thread

[wintry solar]

Can they add slowmode to the threads?

[runic bough]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/cenarion-circle/ryuki/

investigation

hes got some 12 keys so he is not just pvper

MAybe hes blizzard nark

[haughty wigeon]

No

[vivid vessel]

doxing

[haughty wigeon]

Then he’s just plain stupid

I’m like

[wintry solar]

That'd so fix feedback forums

[haughty wigeon]

80% sure he lurks here too

Lemme get out of the shitter, and look back to my own investigation

[vivid vessel]

[tacit fractal]

where do we get snd in our opener

[torpid fiber]

dispatches

from crackshot

[shell fossil]

hit something like 4-5 5 buffs in mecha today after rolling 1-2 buffs the entire first half of the dungeon

funny rolls

[runic bough]

it is automatically applied now, we dont need to cast it.

[haughty wigeon]

i know he lurks here, cause he talks about ravenholt alot

in a bad way

[runic bough]

good investigation sir

[haughty wigeon]

im not done

dude is turbo unhindge

[dark steeple]

gm ol

are we happy or angry today

tell me how i should feel

[haughty wigeon]

crazy how this take evolved to

[fathom bramble]

are you telling me I hit someone that hates the rogue discord with "check the rogue discord"

[haughty wigeon]

"Realz is a secret mod and bans eveyrone who doesnt like his changes"

[haughty wigeon]

yes

[dark steeple]

rogue players who post a ton on the forum are usually RH haters

[fathom bramble]

weird

[wintry solar]

I get it honestly

A lot of elitists around

Maybe not a lot but there's a few

[haughty wigeon]

nah

its not that

people who go on the forums to assblast classcords are usually people that got yeeted

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah true

Nvm

[haughty wigeon]

after they get turbo aggressive or say slurs or get to silly

or heck sometimes feel like their "rights" are being "Stomped on" cause theyre not allowed to openly threaten devs

[wintry solar]

"I didn't do anything wrong" as if they got nuked for no reason.

[fathom bramble]

based off of how we ban people

like

you have to be awful to get banned here

[haughty wigeon]

yes

[fathom bramble]

banning is almost a last resort

[wintry solar]

I picture them as the type to say things like "I just cant escape drama." While being blissfully unaware they themselves start the drama

[fathom bramble]

idk if we still do it but some people got a perma mute just so theey could see the info here

[haughty wigeon]

so its very telling

[fathom bramble]

instead of a ban

[haughty wigeon]

when they start saying shit like "1907" or whatever on the forums

shit

god damn my stupid memory

[wintry solar]

1987?

[haughty wigeon]

ya that

[wintry solar]

Lol

[haughty wigeon]

anywho i cant ind the thread what promoted me to start and find the dude here

so imma just

stop

[wintry solar]

It's good to let it out

[haughty wigeon]

got alot of good bangers for my copypasta folder tho

i remember it was a anti rtb and vanish thread

in world content

[wintry solar]

We make fun of that Kelliste character in Acherus a lot

[haughty wigeon]

LMAO

[wintry solar]

You know who I'm talking about?

[haughty wigeon]

alot of mental cases

in the forums

ya

[runic bough]

I dont know why people would not like outlaw channel

[haughty wigeon]

he went ham in the ret feedbakcthread in tww start

[runic bough]

Outlaw channel is the most helpful out of all the class discords

[haughty wigeon]

so im very well familar with kelliste

[magic shuttle]

I don't get the vanish complaints, atm it offers pretty cool gameplay.

[haughty wigeon]

rh as a whole ya

[novel socket]

True

[haughty wigeon]

cause most complaints are unfounded

and based on

world content

[magic shuttle]

Not sure if I want it to see as this niche utility spell

[haughty wigeon]

"oh no my delve target reseted"

when you can just idk

spec into something else in this meme content and still things in 2 secondsd

[magic shuttle]

With brann it's almost impossible to reset delve target

[haughty wigeon]

and yet these people claim it happens every vanish

[fathom bramble]

I can't even reset with brann when I'm trying

[haughty wigeon]

[runic bough]

Sure realz is protected here and people who ping him get banned. But thats not really against the discord owners.

[fathom bramble]

bro pulls the entire map

[wintry solar]

And they somehow find me

[haughty wigeon]

same in felhammer

people are just

insane

and yes i get the fustration

but they often forget that realz is just one guy in a team

[dark steeple]

a lil too passionate about their class in a videogame

Zac would know

[haughty wigeon]

one guy who opens a window of communication with us to get a better grasp on what needs to change for the class

to relay to his team

[runic bough]

We cant spam ping the class dev so it makes sense.

[wintry solar]

If I didn't have a job I'm ngl I'd be just as bad as a forumite

[novel socket]

[haughty wigeon]

sometimes people get to crazy and think their unique opinion no17826128671287121 of "Remove rtb and bring back gulie" is worth spam pinging him

and getting upset when he doesnt reply back

[magic shuttle]

Rtb is a funny spell

Gets so much hate for rng

[fathom bramble]

no way guile is still being suggested after we saw it as the most boring and uninteresting legendary ever

[magic shuttle]

But you take a peak at ppls logs

[haughty wigeon]

but but but but lok

combat

[magic shuttle]

And you see many mistakes unrelated to rtb

[haughty wigeon]

p0ealk rogue

[fathom bramble]

it wasn't even interesting for combat rogue

at least when I played it

[haughty wigeon]

it sucked

[fathom bramble]

oh yeah we hold KS until 50%(red) amp

very cool

[haughty wigeon]

it was fast compared to other rogues

but it brought nothing else

like surv

hence why both specs were changes f oundamentally in fantasy and w/e

[magic shuttle]

They could give that red buff icon for gsw proc

[haughty wigeon]

both specs did and brought nothing to the table

its silly

when realz was more active in df, i gotten actual hate mail telling me to stop hogging him (thats the nice wya) cause he was replying to my vdh shit then larrys lfrs suggestion to make meta a 80% dr to cover his mistakes

or something

[wintry solar]

The icon themselves are outdated💀

[magic shuttle]

Red swords did look pretty cool ngl

[haughty wigeon]

so ya

people are insane

[fathom bramble]

"Casting between the eyes has a 20% chance per combo point spent to grant escalating insight against your enemies. Each stack of insight grants 200% increased damage to your next hit of pistol shot per stack."

[wintry solar]

Uhm

[magic shuttle]

I was thinking more the gsw proc needs a separate visual indicator to pistol shot proc

Can be easy to cast naked ps with a gsw up

[wintry solar]

Well at this rate, it'll never see the light of day again anyway

[haughty wigeon]

xaes post are my favorite

[quiet ore]

I have an imitation of an old fire mage heating up WA that I use for GSW/PS just for this

[magic shuttle]

Care to share?

[quiet ore]

Well, that I used to use anyway

It's so unimportant to sync nowadays I hide it

[torpid fiber]

wtf does this even mean
did they like harass some people and then go "my actions had nothing to do with the DH discord!!!"

[quiet ore]

Or, was, ish

[haughty wigeon]

the lore

cause i was there

dude was insulting trans people on twitter

[torpid fiber]

oh fuck them they deserve to be permaed from every wow resource

[haughty wigeon]

then told him to find him in fh

so he brought the shit there

and got yeeted

alongside everyone involved

cause fuck that

[vivid vessel]

cross bans are crazy

cause it only happens to like

irl criminals

[haughty wigeon]

idk the lore in ravenholt

[vivid vessel]

that raped little kids and shit

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

[vivid vessel]

no one get cross banned

[quiet ore]

Just a pair of vertical progress bar WAs, one for PS buff on one side of the character, and one for GSW buff on the other - it's easy to set up

[haughty wigeon]

ya

or scammers

[vivid vessel]

you actually need to send bomb threats

[haughty wigeon]

the nitro people

sending bad fishing links

they get crossbanned alot before they even fuck with other cords

[torpid fiber]

to be fair they never actually said they were banned on the rogue discord

[haughty wigeon]

the post btw that made a whole thread turn into

"lets bash classcords" composed by everyone who was banned from a classcord for saying slurs

[haughty wigeon]

xae was, ryu afaik

isnt?

im sure he lurks

thats enough of my autistic hyperfixation tho

[torpid fiber]

it's crazy
there are actual valid complaints about class discords sometimes but so often it's just people who get banned for acting like it's still 2005 and people won't call them out on their slurs

[haughty wigeon]

ya obvi, no place is perfect

nor will it ever be perfect

but the majority of people who dislike classcords are usually misinformed people or people who fucked around and found out

max doesnt like classcords

[runic bough]

im not banned so this discord has very lenient rules.

[haughty wigeon]

heck alot of tank streamers really dont like classcords

and often calls tcers slurs

theres no wining

cuase damn if you do or damn it you dont

[runic bough]

If i get banned after this comment, RIP

lets not talk about banned anymore, i would miss you guys a lot.

[haughty wigeon]

tcer tells streamer his feelcraft is bad and this doesnt really make him more tank so they get aggressive and call us slurs. or we dont say anything and the game gets activewly worse cause some shitter is running vdh without a 40% dr 40% dps amp uncapped aoe 20+ seconds long on a 1min cd defensive cd

[haughty wigeon]

[runic bough]

USA government just fucked my bank account $1500 guys, lets have a moment of silence.

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

[runic bough]

Tax season is over now.

[wintry solar]

RAHHHHHH

Whoops

Forgot to pay mine

Jail time :)

[runic bough]

well you live in France, they fight tyranny there.

lucky zac

[haughty wigeon]

is he

he lives in france

gross

[wintry solar]

French Tacos

[quiet ore]

I tried these once, not really my thing

[wintry solar]

I'm fine with French people, just as long as they don't do that around me.

[wintry solar]

I've no idea what they are

[polar niche]

guys,i have problem whit the first cinderbrew pack

[runic bough]

We are outlaw, we all have problem there

[polar niche]

if i pug, they keep flaming on me cause i do not so good dps

i stil do 5/7 but they keep flaming

[torpid fiber]

i'm gonna be honest i'd be unsurprised if france has higher tax rates than the US

[polar niche]

still*

[runic bough]

we are capped at 8 targets and there is more than that. Our dps will be lower.

You can just try not to get stunned and survive to do most dmg as you can with our handicap.

[polar niche]

i do i do

[runic bough]

then dont worry about what they say.

[novel socket]

Or play sin for the first pull

Then go out and switch

[wintry solar]

Yeah your only other option is to switch after first pull

[novel socket]

[wintry solar]

Also

Watch

[polar niche]

i can't , i don't have a good pc for that thing fast

[wintry solar]

Blizz will prevent that before uncapping outlaw

[polar niche]

it's the last 13 i need, i can0t finish it in time i'm going crazy, i already do some 14

[runic bough]

Dont worry about what people say about outlaw. Its handicapped and everyone knows it. If someone is being mean to you for playing a spec that is fun to you just ignore them. We cant help it that we are always handicapped by tuning.

[wintry solar]

It's looking like an assa key angle then

Also true

Fuck em

[polar niche]

i crafted a dagger in offhand, but i don't realy wanna switch outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

i mean find a group that understands

the limits of outlaw

basically

8 cap spec in a huge 8+ pull will be beans

[runic bough]

We are paying to play this game, play what you like. Unfortunately Outlaw is handicapped in Aoe.

[haughty wigeon]

or swalllow it and play as sin

to get your last key for legend

thats unfort the only advice we can give you beyond

have a premade group filled with friends

[polar niche]

after the cinderbrew medery incident i want to play only whit friends

[wintry solar]

I tried to play what I like but the problem is the damage loss from dropping crackshot is too noticeable

Sigh

/sigh

[runic bough]

Also if you dont like killingspree, we are even more handicapped. Thats me guys, im double outlaw handicapped playing fatebound.

[wintry solar]

Imagine

[runic bough]

and im still having funs

[wintry solar]

Triple handicap and drop CS

It'll be funni

[runic bough]

my guild was like why dont you play sin

I said im only outlaw.

the end.

then they asked me to play my demonhunter

I said no

[wintry solar]

They should know better tbh

[polar niche]

sin it's not in a good spot again right?

[haughty wigeon]

i like outlaw

sin is very good rn

so is sub

[runic bough]

sub and sin are not aoe handicapped like outlaw is. They can attack more than 8 targets.

[vivid vessel]

have you actually

like a real french tacos

casue that legit doesnt exist outsdie of france even

[polar niche]

zac you strream today?

[vivid vessel]

i am rn

buddy

[polar niche]

ok

i'm coming

[dark steeple]

zac

[wintry solar]

I have Krispy Kreme jelly beans waiting for me at home

Jesus is risen but so is my blood sugar

Love easter

Also putting in my new cpu

Dude it's gonna be a good day

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble you there

i have a new one for you

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

actually first time i see this one

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx99GZR6a1svQRL17JjVJZjeDRKclMPu7J?si=Y09p8A2xR7W1JNoz

[jolly geyser]

What you get?

[vivid vessel]

the ks

[dark steeple]

it just disappeared?

[fathom bramble]

it's just gone

pathing error gg

[vivid vessel]

xd

wild

[dark steeple]

spec actually kept together by ducttape

[fluid meadow]

yeah i thought target dies, but no it happens more times at this week

[dark steeple]

[vivid vessel]

i mean i have never seen this ever

so

idk about you lok

usually this is onlty when you get parried

[fathom bramble]

I bet it's that patch of grass

dungeon trash can't parry though right

or do the mini bosses have boss level

I'm not sure

[vivid vessel]

nah they cant

[haughty wigeon]

and dreams

dont forget dreams

[shell fossil]

someone could have engie teleported you

my friend does that sometimes

[vivid vessel]

mentally stable boomie

[shell fossil]

i just ate so much chicken

ded lol

[runic bough]

As i played KIR tonight

[wicked acorn]

Whos the best outlaw rogue streamer

my king zac is streaming

lets go

[thorny spruce]

They don't know about me yet, soon tho

Prolly zac tho

xD

[runic bough]

I think what made KIR click for me, was being able to pop ADR and then RTB for LD utilization and then KIR to activate when 3-4 buffs.

I dont think i was using LD the correct way last time.

[wicked acorn]

LD?

[runic bough]

loaded dice

to start the buffs up

then KIR to keep all the CTO buffs up

[wicked acorn]

@vivid vessel enable chat

[wicked acorn]

do you not have 4 set yet?

[vivid vessel]

no

[wicked acorn]

pussy

[runic bough]

have you not been in outlaw chat all weekend?

[wicked acorn]

no

lol

[runic bough]

Im going no tier vs tier set

[wicked acorn]

why

[runic bough]

You can stack like 500% more vers without tier set.

[wintry solar]

Don't let Ryu fool you. He's having more fun than all of us.

[runic bough]

I mean I was really liking HO, but KIR is like a new puppy now sure.

[wicked acorn]

MOGA 🔥

MAKE OUTLAW GREAT AGAIN

haha

only way to make this spec great is deleting killing spree

[runic bough]

or make it like blade dance and remove teleport.

I think if they kept it in, it should be able to aoe outside 8 targets.

[wicked acorn]

Zac is my goat 🙏

[shell fossil]

keep killing spree or

[runic bough]

No teleport and give it something that makes it worth using.

but yeah they wont do that so better to remove it

[shell fossil]

only boss it feels bad to use on in m+ is rookery 2nd

[wintry solar]

I'd be happy with them removing it if they swapped it with a new finisher for a new kind of gameplay

[shell fossil]

and uh hmm swampface and uh dfc 3rd unless u mini spree

[runic bough]

They could also just swap it with blade rush and problem solved

its been suggested many times

no teleport

aoe affix on blade rush

[wintry solar]

I want new gameplay

[dark steeple]

just change it to blade dance

wox' change is perfectly fine

[shell fossil]

killing spree builds bandit's guile idk

[wintry solar]

New gameplay

Gimme

[shell fossil]

its low reward, ye new

[runic bough]

what do you mean guys

KIR is new for me

[rotund zodiac]

[runic bough]

Flushies

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

New = fun

[runic bough]

i learned KIR in another key after we played

[shell fossil]

spent today doing pug 12 pushes and the week practicing and idk it's rewarding to killing spree successfully

[rotund zodiac]

Damn

[shell fossil]

brain is in the on position tho

[rotund zodiac]

KiR is fun

but I’ll stick to HO for now cuz sim said so

[runic bough]

your playing ks right

[rotund zodiac]

yea

[runic bough]

meta boy

[wintry solar]

I'm sticking to HO because I find Ambushing out of stealth less weird than Sinister Striking in stealth

[runic bough]

[rotund zodiac]

Gotta squeeze those dps meter anyway I can

[shell fossil]

so much of the sauce is using cto correctly ragardless of spec where is the lie

[runic bough]

yeah

my dps is terrible

no cap

but im having fun

[wintry solar]

I wonder what crackshot gameplay would look like in a live action movie

[runic bough]

demonhunter really put me in a bad vibe

outlaw is fixing my happiness again

[wintry solar]

I guess the producer would have to get over the subterfuge part

Or maybe magic guns idk

[runic bough]

I would really like to not waste vanish for subterfuge

[wintry solar]

Atp we're more like artificers

[haughty wigeon]

Havoc did something to u

[shell fossil]

i geared outlaw two weeks in a row with vault and now i gotta play outlaw in raid

[runic bough]

look who my main character is

Ryukage back in action

[fluid meadow]

ks players or kenny dies more times in south park? do we have counter for that?

[vivid vessel]

no one did a ks death counter yet

[shell fossil]

moo rogue lmao

[vivid vessel]

should i make one

[magic shuttle]

blizzard should come out with a stat of rogues dying to killing spree

[dark steeple]

yes

[shell fossil]

roll for saving grappling hook

[dark steeple]

and share it with the group

[wintry solar]

Should change the camera to a cinematic camera like in GTA during KS

[shell fossil]

also ks is great for tabbing through the pack to find prio target

good accidental design element

[fluid meadow]

yesterday i had a priest who always grip me when i had big ks dot instead of heal me

[torpid fiber]

is this not what clicking on nameplates is for

[shell fossil]

ummm, yes?

[wintry solar]

I prefer to press tab 50 million times

Alternating between the same 3 mobs

[magic shuttle]

tab target through 20 mobs to kick the correct one

[torpid fiber]

average pug player

[shell fossil]

idk big nameplates don't make the game more enjoyable for me, so its just this

[wintry solar]

Peak gameplay

[runic bough]

New achievement when killingspree gets removed guys.

We honor those outlaws among us who have suffered for years, death to killingspree at any given moment. Achievement objective: Died to killingspree before removed from the game.

what would the title of the achievment be?

[wintry solar]

Killing Time

[runic bough]

hmm sounds nice actually

[fluid meadow]

tab target pref casters or smthing like that? or what is the prior, closest target? mostly tab target seems good

[runic bough]

i suggested this a week ago iirc

[wintry solar]

Because you kill time when you die from KS until the raid wipes or its dead.

[magic shuttle]

tab target has some good and bad stuff going at the same time

[rotund zodiac]

Do it

[torpid fiber]

after playing some ff14 wow tab targeting feels like god came down from heaven to design it

[magic shuttle]

like if a mob casts a spell and you tab target then it will prio the caster

[shell fossil]

ye it definitely grabs the furthest enemy sometimes for no reason? idk might be some snag with modifiers but ye

[dark steeple]

FF tabtarget should just be removed

its genuinely so useless

[magic shuttle]

but sometimes your tab target will prio a mob that is the outer most and oyu cannot reach in melee

[rotund zodiac]

I really, really hate ff14 gcd

[wintry solar]

Gotta have like 5 tab modifiers

[torpid fiber]

It's so dogshit the fact that the health bar needs to be on screen is so shit

And it just doesn't work in aoe

[magic shuttle]

I think you could get away with tab targeting in shadowlands m+

but nowadays there's way more caster mobs

so tab targetting feels redundant

[wintry solar]

Mouseover ftw

[torpid fiber]

(like holy fuck game there's literally a single mob in the instance just fucking target it)

[wintry solar]

Is it really that bad?

[magic shuttle]

mouseover kick is awesome

[rotund zodiac]

really bad

[magic shuttle]

but I retain a bad habbit of not macroing my kidneyshot into a mouseover

[torpid fiber]

ff14 tab target is legit worse than if it cycled through every mob in order with no logic and a random order

[dark steeple]

thank god most aoe content is a meme

in FF

and target swapping in there is 90% of the time just a enmity thing

[rotund zodiac]

FF14 gcd is so delayed to me, not fun to button mashing at all (I play ninja)

[torpid fiber]

It tilts me bc when I play ast I use tab target to reswap to the boss during the burst window so I don't have to click on them

[shell fossil]

they don't even cast anything half the time

it just grabs someone in narnia lol

tab nearest mouse would be kinda cool

i think there's a healer addon feature that does that for grabbing ppl though just ?????????

[fluid meadow]

i don't use mouse, don't ask how i play pls, so i only tabtarget

[wintry solar]

Trackpad

[runic bough]

im cooking guys

i should be in bed like 3 hours ago

but

im curious

ok they all simmed lower

carry on

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4t5qFUTFWeyBcxvmq616MU

Sim says to swap gs for pc

ive been doing that

[wintry solar]

Do it again

[runic bough]

now im doing

aw

gsw and ace still loses

to 2fh and pc

[wintry solar]

Show build

[runic bough]

i think

if we take gsw

pc is a requirement

it opens more aoe

so

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[runic bough]

but theres no way to have both

[wintry solar]

You wouldn't want ace anyway

[runic bough]

you cant take gsw without 2fh

ace is the loss

[wintry solar]

Right

Ye

[runic bough]

hmm

i didnt try that yet

i dont think

this was the build i used earlier but no-kir

[wintry solar]

Ace and gsw don't get along

[runic bough]

yeah

ill try no ace with gsw and pc

and kir

[wintry solar]

I can tell you rn that taking ace is a dps loss for gsw

I've ran so many different sims and stuff

[runic bough]

because we want more ps

because its buffed

[wintry solar]

Ye

[runic bough]

ye

this vs regular kir lets see

[wintry solar]

Ohhhhh no

[runic bough]

for m+

aoe build

[wintry solar]

It works for ho because you don't necessarily need ace procs

Because ambush

[runic bough]

kir needs more cdr huh?

[wintry solar]

Ye

[runic bough]

i see

lets test anyway

[wintry solar]

Gotta at this point

Science requires those that aren't scared to ask questions

[runic bough]

running the sim

1 mil pistol shots is so nice

[wintry solar]

It is

[runic bough]

but then i look at meter and its bleh

😦

[wintry solar]

Also true

[runic bough]

damn theres a huge ass line now

[wintry solar]

Outlaw has a lot more emphasis on finishers than it used to

Idk if I like that

[runic bough]

well anyways ill just play kir all season if I have to

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

you know that ks

it didnt even do anything

not even a hit

[fathom bramble]

that's the same thing it does if a mob is evading nearby

it just cancels with nothing in the combatlog

[wintry solar]

Parry as well

[vivid vessel]

so weird

[runic bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8hsVmqxjX9GpzsZp77bAfR

-4.3%

taking gsw and pc

apparently i have to use my crit/haste cloak now

[wintry solar]

With or without ace

[runic bough]

without ace

its not possible with ace

[wintry solar]

That's right

Crazy

[runic bough]

i should do SOH vs Imp MG next

I forget which one is better

ill do that later

[wintry solar]

I'd imagine imp MG by a slim margin

[runic bough]

for aoe yeah

probably

[wintry solar]

What's been the best build so far?

[runic bough]

KIR pc ace 1fh

[wicked acorn]

!prepull

[runic bough]

is dead

[wintry solar]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter dungeon to get Supercharger.
• ADR before key insert for the Loaded Dice buff and cp.
• DO NOT rtb again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, simillarly do not adr inside the bubble or you will lose the cps
• After the bubble drops RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF then Stealth
• Open on pack with ADR (in range with target, this will pull) into BtE.

[wicked acorn]

😘

[runic bough]

what the
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/92h9ZV1MtojgrLhSMR5ttB

it wants me to have a million haste

[wintry solar]

Oof

Get to work lol

[runic bough]

i guess the heavy mastery helm is just that bad

with small vers

rip

non-vers item still better than heavy mastery

proof now

screenshot

rework mastery for outlaw now lets go

[kind otter]

what weapon enchant shall I go for if I'm only raiding on outlaw?

[runic bough]

Abyss

i mean Authority of Depths

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

tought on demolish

making you imune to ccs

and ks doesnt

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
• KS Ticking damage taken

[fathom bramble]

Bladestorm makes you immune too

And ks use to long ago, but it got removed due to pvp 👍

[wintry solar]

10 yard range too

[vivid vessel]

cool cool

love pvp

[wintry solar]

It's not pvp

Its the devs

BS was the same

[fathom bramble]

Idk apparently it wasn’t fair for redbuff ks to kill you 65% to zero with cc immunity

Or whatever

Should have been reverted when ks started doing no damage in warlords

[wintry solar]

There was suppose to be a "we don't want you playing Combat" as well

[fathom bramble]

Well I played combat anyway

They can’t stop me

[wintry solar]

Same

[wicked acorn]

outlaw bad in raid or im just bad

idk

add double coup back

[magic shuttle]

The restless change in PvP feels abysmal ngl

[wintry solar]

Told you

Unironically not worth the effort to play

[magic shuttle]

Is kir dead?

In pvp

[wintry solar]

Very

[magic shuttle]

Nice

Killed one playstyle entirely and hamstring the other one

[runic bough]

gn gn outlaws

[wintry solar]

Night night

[wintry solar]

That's usually how they tune outlaw in pvp

Remember the ace nerf in df?

Was an actual miracle it got reverted

[shell fossil]

playing kir in raid is kinda not good

if that helpges

missing ghostly strikes also affects dps across the fight too, missed like 5 casts on a heroic rik reverb and idk maybe just bad rng but also -300k dps over 3.5 minutes

[fathom bramble]

Didn’t bte have like -75% damage in bfa or something

In pvp

[wintry solar]

Something like that

[fathom bramble]

I feel like we have had some really bad pvp adjustments in the past

[wintry solar]

That got removed when they removed the stun

[shell fossil]

odds are with ho the twerkening will go off a few times before the fight ends

[fathom bramble]

Even though sin stun always did more damage than bte…

I guess it doesn’t matter now

But it was the last time I cared about pvp that much

[wintry solar]

I want to know if it was the damage or the mobility that vanish gave that made them nerf RB

They nerfed RB and buffed SS and PS

So idk

[shell fossil]

probably just how good wound poison is

[fathom bramble]

Imagine if vanish lost the slow immune due to pvp

[vivid vessel]

[wintry solar]

Lord have mercy

20% RB nerf is already bad enough lol

Yknow

[tacit fractal]

damn whyd they take away shadow step

[wintry solar]

This is the monkey paw in action

"If you're gonna nerf outlaw, nerf anything besides ace"
-Popo 2024

[vivid vessel]

they nerfed ace

then reverted it

thats the only thing we managed to get reverted

[wicked acorn]

If theyre gonna nerf outlaw

[vivid vessel]

im glad they listened at least

cause on god

[wicked acorn]

wouldnt mind if Killing spree got deleted

just saying

[vivid vessel]

wtf was that nerf

s oshit

[wintry solar]

A little more emphasis on dispatch this expac than usual

Maybe I just haven't noticed

[royal meteor]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB as you enter dungeon to get Supercharger.
• ADR before key insert for the Loaded Dice buff and cp.
• DO NOT rtb again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, simillarly do not adr inside the bubble or you will lose the cps
• After the bubble drops RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF then Stealth
• Open on pack with ADR (in range with target, this will pull) into BtE.

[wintry solar]

And the ace nerf

[magic shuttle]

I think the nerf revert prevented a complete disaster

[wintry solar]

I think they were trying to make a no crackshot thing but immediately gave up due to how monumental it'd be to them. But that's just a theory I thought of while waiting for the clock to let me go home

[wintry solar]

Yeah fs

[haughty wigeon]

Pandora’s box is already open

Crackshot exists and it’s required at this point

All specs have that one required row for the class to function

I personally thought it was ho and or kir but that was obviously changed on df s3

[vivid vessel]

hm?

[shell fossil]

for really why is dismantle a pvp talent

[wintry solar]

Do you want it in pve?

Hey there's our niche

[shell fossil]

yes

[wintry solar]

I wanna disarm bosses like the old old old days

[shell fossil]

it was great, same functionality as mass blind

just save the day when u see a tank about to drop

[wintry solar]

That would be a cool outlaw niche

[wintry solar]

I was just spit balling

Surely they know about tier bonuses ahead of time right?

[wintry solar]

Crazy how your perception of a spec changes over time with expansions

I wonder what happens after ho/kir/cs

Kir will probably be the next to go tbh

[haughty wigeon]

Would suck if kir went

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[haughty wigeon]

There’s no reason for kir to go

[wintry solar]

What do you think goes next?

[haughty wigeon]

Ghostly strike

It lost all purpose

[wintry solar]

I mean between the 3 main capstones

[haughty wigeon]

Remove and rebalance the spec from its loss

Oh

Man I can’t answer that

[wintry solar]

GSW is a placeholder for sure

Probably CS actually

The cdr with that and ace could turn sour on blizzard

Though HO is way way too easy to overcap CP

[haughty wigeon]

I’ve always felt crackshot overpowers and oppresses everything as a capstone, it was always but cause vanish historically had issues it was just was frustrating for the longest time. Clearly blizzard saw how oppressive cs is and nerfed it going into tww but overal it’s still dominant. I personally I have an issue with crackshot, I find it fun. I’ve found every version of outlaw fun as well.

Now vanish is fixed for now

Personally I don’t think they can remove any of the three main capstones without building the spec from the ground up

I still don’t see why HO was nerfed either

[vivid vessel]

ok im confused

whats the issue you have with crackshot

you just said you find it fun

[haughty wigeon]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

ok

[haughty wigeon]

I found it oppressive that’s all

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

lot of talents are oppresive i dont really mind that tbh

[haughty wigeon]

And I like my btes to do more dam per press instead of being big dam after many presses

Ya comes with the game

[vivid vessel]

like we have nothing else interesting so

[haughty wigeon]

[vivid vessel]

if there was fun atlernatives

and we were stuck with crackshot

we could have a talk

[haughty wigeon]

Yep

[vivid vessel]

but there isnt

[haughty wigeon]

But everything else is boring

[vivid vessel]

i mean the atlernative would be kir with ho

[haughty wigeon]

Gs sucks

[vivid vessel]

which eh

[haughty wigeon]

Gsw sucks

Your options are cs with ho or cs with kir

So

[vivid vessel]

nvm you cant* do kir with ho even if you drop crackshot

too many 2 pointers

[proven tiger]

How much Haste do I want to have for KiR build ? 17-20% ?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[viral bison]

my ping cant manage fire and frost is trash maybe arcane

[wintry solar]

I'd like that as a alternative

[vivid vessel]

i mean

tbf

[haughty wigeon]

Every spec has like a pillar capstone. Rets pillar capstone used to be wake of ashes, havoc used to be essb

[vivid vessel]

the gameplay of crackshot isnt doing multiples btes

[haughty wigeon]

That has been changed as more changes were made going into tww

[vivid vessel]

its eveyrthing that it activate around that

ace/uuh etc

[haughty wigeon]

Ya aces

[vivid vessel]

like if you were to have an equivalent damage wise

that just made it so you had a big bte

idk

[haughty wigeon]

Aces used to do that Zac

[vivid vessel]

you lose half your tree then

[haughty wigeon]

Give you a big bte

It was fun

Now aces is just the chance to reset cp

[vivid vessel]

ye but you lose half the gameplay of the tree if the alternative to crackshot is just "a big bte"

[haughty wigeon]

Which makes crackshot works

Ya I know

That’s why I’m not suggesting big bte

[vivid vessel]

like im open to changes

and stuffs

but

[haughty wigeon]

Without wide sweeping changes to the spec as a whole

[vivid vessel]

im always more interested by gameplay

[wintry solar]

How do you lose half the tree

[vivid vessel]

you lose ace

[haughty wigeon]

Which I don’t think the spec needs

[vivid vessel]

and you prolly lose what makes uuh strong

[haughty wigeon]

Does it need Jesus? Yes but like I’m exaggerating frankly

[vivid vessel]

without crackshot and ace you arent getting as much cdr and now your vanish windows are useless

its just vanish to maintain adr

[wicked acorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1015335168841621584/1143714432669724772/caption.gif

[vivid vessel]

instead of vanish fro ace crackshot

[haughty wigeon]

I would like to see some uptime stuff reduced for more wiggle room and our energy returned

But that doesn’t really mean

“Change outlaw completely”

[dense bolt]

do i need a namechange now or

[vivid vessel]

its fine cause that other rem is never named rem

so you good

[haughty wigeon]

Heck I would love to see dreadblades and greed come back, but that won’t ever happened. Cause outlaw is different

[vivid vessel]

just gotta be aware

[haughty wigeon]

Your fine

[vivid vessel]

db if they rework it like it should have been reworked instead of deleted

aka it doesnt affect all builders cause that just turns outlaw into a weird no brain random ass

and it doesnt work with ace

[haughty wigeon]

Burst cd

[shell fossil]

you know someone was mentioning a warrior with agi daggers and single minded fury today

[vivid vessel]

instead just make it so the next x ss/ambush give full cp

[haughty wigeon]

But outlaw isn’t burst

[vivid vessel]

and its like

[shell fossil]

just for a goof and apparently it kinda worked

[vivid vessel]

average out outlaw cp builders kinda, while still keeping that window right

but you arent "losing" your procs

like ace/adr/bf/fth

[haughty wigeon]

Yep

[vivid vessel]

cause its a set number of builder instead of a timer

[haughty wigeon]

It’s silly

Greed made your finishers explode for more damage

Made db a solid dps burst cd

They could rework it to a set amount like you said

[shell fossil]

strength/agi weapons are probably in the cards in the future

[haughty wigeon]

But then

[vivid vessel]

i still dont think outlaw should have a burst cd