oh kir
#outlaw
desert tendon
yea it fore sure doesnt work lmao, what is that 24m hp during a whole dungeon.
twilit nest
yo zeross good morning
craggy barn
well it doesnt heal when ur full
desert tendon
still it s floodgate 17
twilit nest
fuck this company im pissed
desert tendon
like you re not 100% time fullfull
digital linden
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
RTB as you enter dungeon to get Supercharger.
ADR before key insert for the Loaded Dice buff and cp.- DO NOT rtb again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, simillarly do not adr inside the bubble or you will lose the cps
- After the bubble drops RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF then 
Stealth - Open on pack with ADR (in range with target, this will pull) into
BtE.
craggy barn
shrug would needa giga math it
chances of being full hp every 3 seconds isnt super low when u have a bunch of other healing effects going on
digital linden
Since we dont play loaded dice generally as kir does that mean there is No point in adr before key insert since we dont keep cp?
craggy barn
adr for full cp for pre snd
gaunt phoenix
yep you dont ar until the first pull
twilit nest
So fuck blizzard, 11.1.5 is coming out and we're not getting horrific visions + we're not getting the dinars clown company pieces of shit
digital linden
adr for full cp for pre snd
Does snd even stay?
gaunt phoenix
tell em
digital linden
Okay so basically
craggy barn
if vdh get to pre meta
digital linden
No need
craggy barn
we get to pre adr for fun
digital linden
we get to pre adr for fun
Hahaha ye
twilit nest
fuck blzizizard once again
long barn
coming right up. you want the sim results right?
even HO has me doing 10% haste when i give it options for alternative gear with haste
gaunt phoenix
just link whatever gave you the impression that your kir isnt taking haste
long barn
ok
digital linden
So fuck blizzard, 11.1.5 is coming out and we're not getting horrific visions + ...
So what is coming in 11.1.5?
twilit nest
trashy weakauras and "new" hallowfall content 
glass mortar
tbf, is HoF even filled up yet
i mean its a early version of blizzard implementing WA type stuff into the game
its a good addition and i hope they keep iterating on it
but also releasing visions is like nerfing all current content by ~3-4%
because its more player power
at no cost
i can see why they wanted to delay it
isnt HoF noteven filled yet?
long barn
just link whatever gave you the impression that your kir isnt taking haste
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fRAhg1QK6eHfTFc5D6mDGL
Both Trickster AOE and HO_SUPER both want me to go with the 10% haste choice instead of 18%
glass mortar
r they legit HoF tho how many of those guilds bought last boss lockouts >.>
but yea if its filled idk why they are delaying visions
digital linden
Realistically when could we assume stuff the big power upgrades are launching like dinars and horrific visions
glass mortar
no clue until they tell us
id guess 1-2 months after this patch release tho
just based on the cadence of patches so far
desert tendon
glass mortar
should be like 1
desert tendon
about 70 more kills needed weran
digital linden
Dinars were a concept in df right?
fluid meadow
i hope we get more game freeze, since s2 so much players struggle with game but what can do no resource do fix the game, like in dalaran after 2 years they fixed the 5 min loading screen and disconnects there, but they implement random shit what players use in years with wa and others just why?
glass mortar
dinars have been a thing since shadowlands
they were previously only for fated seasons tho
this is the first time they r giving them to us in a real season
twilit nest
game is dead
digital linden
Aha so no frame of reference really
glass mortar
ye
desert tendon
skipping oab / mug
twilit nest
yhea
desert tendon
and be sure to have hof
like if you a guild that always get CE
i think gally is like at most 6 night of prog
AT MOST
twilit nest
my guild is ass, these people cant do sprocket soaks correctly
2025 and dudes be dropping drills on group
insane
arctic hollow
I'm confused, still trying to fix my mistakes. For Trick HO, I was under the impression that Vanish with two charges had higher priority than Coup or KS, is that not the case anymore ? Did i dream it ?
bright crane
i hope we get more game freeze, since s2 so much players struggle with game but ...
Do you have the WA to disable addon profiling?
That’s the main culprit for the crashes since 11.1
I had the same issue. WA resolved like 95% of the issues
twilit nest
Do you have the WA to disable addon profiling?
pov blizzard trying to do cool stuff with their game
fluid meadow
link and gonna try
but as i see with script my addon profiling is off when i log in
twilit nest
link and gonna try
twilit nest
but as i see with script my addon profiling is off when i log in
It keeps turning itself on its annoying
bright crane
The addon works for me - it turns it off on every UI load
At least it prompts its off one every ui load
fluid meadow
so this turn on randomly or what?
twilit nest
so this turn on randomly or what?
exactly
I edited the cvar and it just came back on out of nowhere
bright crane
When I get back to my pc I’ll check if it’s the same wa
frail veldt
I'm confused, still trying to fix my mistakes. For Trick HO, I was under the imp...
Nah KS and coup are both higher
Only should happen on the opener anyway
gaunt phoenix
You hardly ever have Coup ready with 2 stacks of vanish unless you get lucky with UB resets in the opener
In which case i'm sure it hardly matters which one you hit
lapis forge
Does energy regen ever get better? Around level 25 atm and it feels anemic, waiting for what feels like years between ability uses
gaunt phoenix
yes. Rogue leveling is a horrible experience, the worst in the game
lapis forge
ah, good to know
arctic hollow
Nah KS and coup are both higher
Oh right, thank you. That's why my openers are so bad then, I spend way too much time without Flawless form/Nimble too.
gaunt phoenix
It's really common feedback but they don't care enough
lapis forge
would probably be "easier" if I went assassination instead, but I felt a strong compulsion to play outlaw
arctic hollow
You hardly ever have Coup ready with 2 stacks of vanish unless you get lucky wit...
Yeah, it happens maybe a couple times per raid session, still, i was looking at KS wrong
arctic hollow
Only should happen on the opener anyway
(guild is stuck at myth stix, i get a lot of opportunities to play my opening 🥲 )
stuck timber
hi
Im playing kir but sometimes when I roll bad back to back I have energy problems
I switch supercharger to thistle tea is it viable?
gaunt phoenix
thistle tea no, not viable. at best you can take vigor + lethality, it should be like a ~5% expected loss
lapis forge
spender prio is Between the Eyes > Dispatch, right?
stuck timber
only in crackshot windows
gaunt phoenix
You should at least maintain the BtE crit buff
glass mortar
You hardly ever have Coup ready with 2 stacks of vanish unless you get lucky wit...
i have wondered about this... ive had a few openers with 5 buffs where i got to the condition to send a second kspree between my first subterfuge and vanish
and i felt like
thats an excessive amount of cdr wastage on vanish
stuck timber
You can sim it to see the DPS loss
Im struggling hard like I sometimes do less damage than tank like in the first pull of darkflame cleft
glass mortar
but i just had all good buffs + procs to have coup right out of my first kspree
then 18s on kspree after that coup
and i was like sheeesh im delaying vanish like 12s with 2 charges off cd
but i guess if ur popping off with that good rng it doesnt matter to waste the vanish cdr
gaunt phoenix
or you can just vanish
lapis forge
went Night Elf (cause it's what a friend suggested), and I understand the idea behind shadowmeld into stealth, but it doesn't feel very reliable at times, any ideas why?
merry harness
Beacuse it is buggy as hell
gaunt phoenix
Ask blizzard
Well shadowmeld breaks with any movement or damage
other than that, it's just fucked
lapis forge
still relatively low level atm, would it be better to roll a different race then?
gaunt phoenix
No the impact of races is minimal
merry harness
If u are gonna play m+ drawf might be worth it
arctic hollow
went Night Elf (cause it's what a friend suggested), and I understand the idea b...
Sometime some auras or aoe damage keep us in combat so we can't stealth. It also never works in a boss fight
merry harness
But that would mostly be just for the utility and meld has good utility aswell so
arctic hollow
it doesnt break with movement
no, it still does break with movement
glass mortar
damn mega magnet is bis delve trinket
as long as u bug abuse it
wonder if u could increase its mileage in m+ trying to game this
magic shuttle
if you can be arsed to snipe
glass mortar
yea the windows a bit too tight to do it consistently in m+ i think
magic shuttle
also at higher keys your waiting mobs to get low to use trinket
glass mortar
which is kinda troll yea
when u need its damage least
unless a pack has wildly disparate hp bars i dont think u can abuse it much
its super strong in delves tho
u can execute every other mob
magic shuttle
i do remember unintentionally chugging 30 stack magnets oncleft 1st boss
glass mortar
magic shuttle
just killing small adds
also im not sure if target needs to be main target
the aoe effect also retains stacks
I think
glass mortar
idk how the aoe effect works
in delves at least, it seems like a majority of the time i use my trinket to execute a mob, it doesnt splash correctly
maybe it needs to be the third hit killing to make it splash
i play a little safe with it cause its so effiecient to finish off elites and such
magic shuttle
fair enough
glass mortar
the splash is also like, only increasing the max usage by 50% tho
its very minor aoe scaling
lapis forge
there any reason to have Slice n Dice on bars?
glass mortar
very very niche
in downtime situations it lets u dump combo points for cdr
instead of letting them decay
u can play without it if u want
magic shuttle
i kept my snd keybind
glass mortar
same
lapis forge
sounds good, thanks
Also, Grappling hook makes me feel a special kind of way
is that normal?
twilit nest
Also, Grappling hook makes me feel a special kind of way
if your dick goes hard for it
then yes
normal
glass mortar
coolest mobility in the game
lapis forge
btw, should Ambush be on normal bar as well, or just stealthed bar?
glass mortar
if only it didnt break 30% of the time in the open world
but in raids and dungeons
u dont need ambush on ur normal bar
desert tendon
that s something i miss from outlaw
glass mortar
SS will turn into it when it procs
desert tendon
it s grapple
gaunt phoenix
btw, should Ambush be on normal bar as well, or just stealthed bar?
later on you get a proc that lets you press ambush regardless of stealth, so yes
actually im wrong
twilit nest
later on you get a proc that lets you press ambush regardless of stealth, so yes
ss turns into ambush
soly
gaunt phoenix
yeah it replaces ss anyway
and this SS being replaced is bugged to be better than regular ambush
lapis forge
so why would I ever use Cheap Shot over Ambush when coming out of stealth?
gaunt phoenix
you dont unless you really need to stop a cast
twilit nest
so why would I ever use Cheap Shot over Ambush when coming out of stealth?
are you stunning gallywix
lapis forge
are you stunning gallywix
not at level 25
lapis forge
I'm normally a healer main, but outlaw might end up being my guilty pleasure
twilit nest
what is going on
small fog
is there way to macro bte and dispatch to same button?
lapis forge
is there way to macro bte and dispatch to same button?
with modifiers yes
twilit nest
is there way to macro bte and dispatch to same button?
is this the new pog meta?
lapis forge
or a cast sequence macro
twilit nest
double the weapon to double the damage
its broken forever
gaunt phoenix
is there way to macro bte and dispatch to same button?
You shoudn't cause of stance delay
lapis forge
does attack speed matter on weapons? lower base = better?
desert tendon
its broken forever
do you double pistol shot also? 
twilit nest
no but check me out when i shoot
fucking stacked
coolest visual bug i've ever seen wow
glass mortar
no but check me out when i shoot
gally gunna run the other direction when he sees this anime protag looking mf coming for him
u look like ur straight out of solo leveling
lapis forge
I've been told by others that this is the quickest way to look cool before dying
particularly on bosses
twilit nest
You shoudn't cause of stance delay
how impactful is this stance delay ?
especially when you already play with 300ms
glass mortar
its not really related to ping
its just how the game functions
when ur stance bar swaps there is a delay on ur bar swapping
so u can queue up an out of stealth spell while instealth, and vice versa
if u use a stance macro
so u will dispatch as ur first finisher in stealth/bte after stealth sometimes
it used to be more punishing then it is now since btE resets, but u dont wanna be dispatching as ur first finisher in stealth
twilit nest
Oh gotcha
reef forge
what key level do people stop taking cheatdeath? i'm sick of dying to ks
hasty warren
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer- Ace refund sound trigger
- RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
twilit nest
what key level do people stop taking cheatdeath? i'm sick of dying to ks
whenever you start getting one shot by every cast
right around that key level
reef forge
solid advice
twilit nest
@gaunt phoenix when does ghostly strike fit into this chaotic ass rotation
ffs insane spec
reef forge
<@921608341048930304> when does ghostly strike fit into this chaotic ass rotatio...
when you pull the mobs
vivid vessel
on cd lol
severe charm
I still am stuck on h/o spec. Like i can avaolutwly pump with kir in raid & m+ but when i go h/o i do like negative damage...
twilit nest
thats the intended gameplay zac
severe charm
Kspree is so cancer on gally.
Zac are you sending max cp ones or low cp kspree so it doesnt animation lock for so long?
vivid vessel
Zac are you sending max cp ones or low cp kspree so it doesnt animation lock for...
i do both
but i look like a psychopath
i must be first damage taken by far aswell
its wild
im legit
in everything
perma
severe charm
Ive converted to just doing your builds and copying your trinkets per boss lol, bwcause your like the best k.i.r rogue amd i cant play hidden op tonsave my life. Even when i think im slapping im wet noodle slapping lol
@zac i wish i had that much faith in my healers 😆
raven socket
I wish i was a good Outlaw KEKW
latent belfry
no but check me out when i shoot
how do you make this bug happen 😭 ??
covert kestrel
how do you make this bug happen 😭 ??
reported for bug abuse, nice try hacker
runic bough
guys
Zac is on Gally
you should see where killingspree teleports him
IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE
looks similar to the moving bug on Dawnbreaker
is happening to Gally
but
there is no death from falling here since its a platform
runic bough
its during phase 1 and 2 imo
p3 teleports him in previous zone with lightning
also funny
he didnt die from it though
good healers O_o
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble unlucky kill but
i think you do 3m il +
in a few week
i didnt get good rng
actually really good outlaw boss
very scarry tho
vivid vessel
well its actually not random
its very weird but
the boss has a static anchor (in the center back)
but it moves
fathom bramble
Except when he goes to the center and it becomes a spot on the floor
vivid vessel
ye
fathom bramble
But yeah it seems very strong if you can manage ks
I hope next tier we can just be strong without needing to play so greedy
vivid vessel
But yeah it seems very strong if you can manage ks
honesrtly i mostly pressed it on cd
and pray
runic bough
fathom bramble
Ks .7 rework surely
vivid vessel
we have cheat death for a reason
but im certain im like
first damage taken
let me check
runic bough
yeah healers were banging
fathom bramble
low CP KSes a lot too
vivid vessel
the sabotage aoe doesnt count
btw
i stayed in the last one
cause i had cheat
and boss was dead
vivid vessel
low CP KSes a lot too
ye i dont do that much
fathom bramble
it's like I get a window to press it where it is safe
but I'm at 4 CP
so I just send it
fathom bramble
idk if it was more or less likely to kill the boss playing your way
but we didn't need the dps imo so I just played it safe
vivid vessel
I know myself
fathom bramble
3m is definitely doable if I play more greedy
vivid vessel
ye
bit rng also
if you have things line up
for adds
cause trickster cant really do anything to hold damage now
fb was cool
for that
but oh well
vivid vessel
ye
vivid vessel
and 2 charges
you know
glass mortar
how did we get back here
glass mortar
blades stacking up 2 4 and 2 stacks of kspree
vivid vessel
why is it sub
glass mortar
imagine
peak dock
Guys anyone knows if a +10 key can still be resil? If i have a top+12 and downgrade it twice to +10, is it still a +10 resil?
fathom bramble
also I think coup could be awesome as it's own button that consumes 4 stacks of escalating blades
and they let you stack up to like 8-10 or something
fathom bramble
let me hold coup for right before vanish everytime
vivid vessel
but then you have coup + ks
as separate finisher
it starts to get a bit much
(not me that will complain)
i mean tbf we threat coup as its own finisher anywya
frail veldt
That would be great
fathom bramble
a fixed skill*
vivid vessel
bro said boring
frail veldt
A better skill*
frail veldt
Ofc
fathom bramble
a like and my only 2 wow forum comments
glass mortar
my kspree crashout is in that thread
peak dock
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489
Better let me be a pirate, give me a curse during ks and let me be invulnerable during ks and 2-3 secs after
vivid vessel
x)
peak dock
what could go wrong
Everything
vivid vessel
i also think ks being 3s duration
glass mortar
u still cantp lay it on sprocket
fathom bramble
yeah it doesn't even fix it is the crazy part
glass mortar
so if its ur best build ur just turned off
vivid vessel
ye or when you need to bait something aswell
fathom bramble
and it would still probably be insanely overpowered to be immune to damage that long
runic bough
Loktark detected
gaunt phoenix
great work detective
runic bough
we need to all post on that
fathom bramble
could have used my alt like every other wow forum coward
runic bough
lol
fathom bramble
right
fathom bramble
because the forums are bad
vivid vessel
are we in 1999 or
runic bough
yes
gaunt phoenix
LOL
runic bough
we are
gaunt phoenix
forums should be split by alliance horde
fathom bramble
imagine how good outlaw could have been this tier with a functional spell to focus trickster on
vivid vessel
I hope they don't overdo it and rework half the spec againn
I just want to like
Settle a bit
In a working version
Of current outlaw
Cause we never got one
fathom bramble
yeah we just need a few fixes to like 2 spells
timber knoll
Just gimme a damage niche in raid and I’ll be happy
fathom bramble
and a few hero talent passives
vivid vessel
Well I think pc could be our niche if it was just a gate above
And like maybe 1 more percent or smth
It's a cool talent
Well it also just a soft cap at 1 target technically
runic bough
they would have to rework the entire hero tree, rogue tree, outlaw tree and ks. Its too much work to expect from this company.
vivid vessel
But we don't talk about that
runic bough
we need to make builds with fatebound
vivid vessel
Lok how do you feel when you wake up and realize outlaw is soft capped at 1 target then hard capped
At 8
patent mirage
Target caps were a mistake
fathom bramble
also the fact that our per target scaling is already worse than a lot of aoe specs
vivid vessel
It's so funny when you think about it
fathom bramble
so even PC aside we gain less from going 4 to 8 than other specs
vivid vessel
Ye
patent mirage
Give a soft cap and it would be k
lapis forge
@patent mirage is your name a warhammer reference?
lapis forge
love the smell of napalm in the morning
tulip quarry
Chad Balthazar
The Emperor protect
patent mirage
You know gsw is obsolete the way it is but how is ks still the same for years
More than a decade
fathom bramble
it's actually super weird that GSW doesn't work on fan
gilded tinsel
imagine how good outlaw could have been this tier with a functional spell to foc...
Make Blade Rush good again 🙂
fathom bramble
and has an effect that caps at 5CP spent when we can spend 10 on a finisher
desert tendon
@vivid vessel ya private logged that gally or nah?
lapis forge
is it a good idea to macro Ghostly Strike into something?
patent mirage
Easy way to fix gsw every time you use bte you gain a stackable buff , increases the crit dmg of your next ps by some percentage
lapis forge
should I be using RtB on cd?
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> ya private logged that gally or nah?
No
We don't private log
One of the reason I joined that guild 
fathom bramble
Easy way to fix gsw every time you use bte you gain a stackable buff , increases...
it imo should be something like a 10-20% chance per combo point spent to gain a stacking % damage buff to your next pistol shot
patent mirage
That too
fathom bramble
stacking very high so you can press it at the end of a crackshot
for a massive fan the hammer
gaunt phoenix
should I be using RtB on cd?
while leveling no, just maintain a buff at all times
At end game there are certain rules for it that are enabled by talents and tier set and such
patent mirage
Only if
vivid vessel
Bte has a chance to proc fth 
You won't convince me we can't just get more gun gameplay
I want more guns
fathom bramble
Hidden Shot: You are always considered to have opportunity while stealthed, and opportunity is not consumed when used while stealthed.
patent mirage
Pog
lapis forge
my bars feel kinda naked, does outlaw not have that many abilities?
vivid vessel
timber knoll
What is even the logic of some specs being capped and others not, like it just seems insanely unbalanced for m+
desert tendon
having opportunity in stealth kinda makes sens
vivid vessel
ah well that step can go now
desert tendon
name wise
timber knoll
Why does any guild not named echo or liquid private log lol
hybrid crown
wouldnt want the hof 125th guild to find out what they are doing
vivid vessel
meh
timber knoll
Mfs world 200 worried someone may copy their strat 💀
vivid vessel
even then you would just private log during prog and not farm
vivid vessel
cancel trickz
gaunt phoenix
NoTrickz
vivid vessel
xd
timber knoll
So are we gonna get a tuning pass after they gave us a 10% nerf via bug fix or what man
gaunt phoenix
seems not
fathom bramble
Hit and run: Each time you would autoattack without a target within range you instead store the auto attack causing your next attack to hit additional times, up to 8(14 with a dagger) autoattacks may be stored this way. Additionally gain 10% increased attack speed.
gaunt phoenix
olive flax
**Hit and run:** Each time you would autoattack without a target within range yo...
bro is cookin
vivid vessel
one of the worse cook i have read
olive flax
be wierd though if it was a dps increase to run the fuck away
olive flax
one of the worse cook i have read
yea but you hate everything so
fathom bramble
I'm just thinking about how to let outlaw briefly leave melee range without losing a ton of damage
like this+hidden shot and you could spend an entire vanish out of melee range not really lose anything
desert tendon
audacity should fire pistol shots, not give a random boring ambush proc
let that ability to sub
olive flax
im all about more guns tbh
fathom bramble
I've always kind of thought our ambush should be replaced with a gun skill
just generally
even before audacity
desert tendon
imagine having a chance to shoot boomboom
after a SS
instead of having a chance to be able to press ambush
i m all for it
round dragon
Instead of thistle tea we should have cheeseburgers
olive flax
just have spree shot pistol shots, no teleport problem solved
olive flax
desert tendon
desert tendon
that s called blade rush
again
make it a finisher
and make it replaces ks
uncap finisher
lapis forge
good idea to macro Ghostly into something since it's off the GCD?
olive flax
ye
I put it on SS and BTE, but you can probs put it on everything.
Just gotta be mindful of it in M+ so you are hitting the right target.
round dragon
I personally have it on SS/BTE in stealth and KS and I have it on another keybind just in case. So when things are about to die I don't pop vanish/KS
occasionally I'd need to use it outside of vanish/KS
runic bough
im gonna post on Wox ks thread
and add the entire outlaw oppression
it will be good guys
we need justice
JUSTICE FOR OUTLAW
round dragon
I've just been spamming suggestions to Blizzard
we all gotta do it daily
break their servers
latent belfry
reported for bug abuse, nice try hacker
twilit nest
how do you make this bug happen 😭 ??
have no clue
had the artifact thunderfury as transmog
logged in and had 4 weapons
cool bug
latent belfry
i have the same sword but i can never make it happen :(((
twilit nest
it was the 1st time ive ever seen it happen also lol
gaunt phoenix
i don't think you should post anything at all
runic bough
twilit nest
sure solo
lets stay quiet like we've been
and let them fuck rogue even more
@glass mortar btw based comment
round dragon
I've honestly warmed up to KS. Takes some getting used to but I haven't ran into an issue lately (except for candle king). It's got some benefits, like if you're a bit low on energy, a good way to deal damage and regenerate a bit.
My only gripe about outlaw right now is the target cap
gaunt phoenix
and let them fuck rogue even more
frankly ryu has very fried and annoying takes about the state of outlaw and should remain in his head
twilit nest
frankly ryu has very fried and annoying takes about the state of outlaw and shou...
yhea im not sure about ryu's takes
frail veldt
and add the entire outlaw oppression
I think just leave it at the KS topic
twilit nest
but we need more rogues outraged in general
this is getting out of hand
least played class after the useless dragons
fuck is this
runic bough
yeah im going to list my killingspree issue list
frail veldt
They've fixed a lot of bugs
runic bough
that is on topic there
frail veldt
yeah im going to list my killingspree issue list
There's one issue and it's the teleporting
Remove it and fixed
Wox has it covered haha
runic bough
other suggestions wont hurt
gaunt phoenix
Ok but your KS list said it deals low damage and no aoe which is just wrong
frail veldt
He practically has an MR posted
runic bough
it has no added effects
frail veldt
That's fine
runic bough
is that okay for a no movement ability
runic bough
no it is not
twilit nest
yo if someone sends me 100k ill recraft all of my gear to outlaw
round dragon
the other 50k is for the trauma that'll ensue
twilit nest
even less
twilit nest
the other 50k is for the trauma that'll ensue
exactly
thank you for understanding me clash
frail veldt
It's crazy I'm playing outlaw for free
What spec feels the closest to outlaw
Rotationally
proven ocean
Fire mage is close but scripted
proven ocean
Way easier, yet harder than most classes
frail veldt
Or less variety
Arcane mage felt pretty close before they reworked it a bunch of times in s1
It was fun
proven ocean
Assa is harder than outlaw in m+ tho
frail veldt
Now it's a little repetitive
proven ocean
At this point
frail veldt
Idk using KS well feels harder than people give credit to
frail veldt
Nope lol
vivid vessel
zeross
frail veldt
Yo think fatebound is harder
vivid vessel
eh
frail veldt
Bro s3 wasn't that hard
proven ocean
Bro s3 wasn't that hard
?
frail veldt
Trickster with 1pt fth as KiR is very hard
frail veldt
Lol how you saying I didn't play it well
proven ocean
Literally last time i played 1 fth i beat zac in dps
vivid vessel
frail veldt
Zeross you aren't even playing outlaw
vivid vessel
i litteraly gapped you so hard
proven ocean
Zeross you aren't even playing outlaw
Thats the point
proven ocean
i litteraly gapped you so hard
In darkflame
vivid vessel
you only caught up in the key i was perma dead
runic bough
guys
proven ocean
To end
proven ocean
What are u smoking
frail veldt
But yeah @vivid vessel you right there's no point
vivid vessel
ye ok
runic bough
ill post what im posting on wox thread tell me if im wrong
proven ocean
Idk why u think KS is hard
frail veldt
Idk why u think KS is hard
Go play it
proven ocean
Maybe u just didnt play sub to understand how flawless form works
frail veldt
It's harder than not having it
proven ocean
So u never had the chance to try it
Its literally pressing it on cd
But ok
You do you
Its scripted
frail veldt
Its literally pressing it on cd
That's all I need to hear
proven ocean
Its not as rng as it was in s3 DF
frail veldt
To know you don't know what you're talking about
If you think you can just slam it on CD in m+
Floor pov as fuck
proven ocean
?
frail veldt
Zeross go back to assa
proven ocean
Whats difficult about holding it for a mechanic if theres something deadly coming up
Ur just annoying to talk to perma
frail veldt
Assa main brainrot
vivid vessel
i told you there is no point when he is like that
proven ocean
@vivid vessel ur just not bothering when u hear something u dont agree with
Im used to it
proven ocean
Gets cringe sometimes when u cant have a conversation
frail veldt
Pot calling the kettle black buddy
vivid vessel
💀
proven ocean
Because ur not pointing out anything
twilit nest
Assa is harder than outlaw in m+ tho
lol stfu
frail veldt
How would s3 outlaw be harder than current outlaw when we have everything s3 had but EXTRA rules on top
proven ocean
Ur just replying “no point of replying when hes like that” when i literally only said s3 DF outlaw is the hardest version of outlaw
twilit nest
assa is afk gameplay
frail veldt
With trickster
merry harness
Yeah now is much harder than s3
proven ocean
How would s3 outlaw be harder than current outlaw when we have everything s3 had...
We didnt have ER and rtb management was harder
We dont have ER*
hybrid crown
I feel like now is a bit more forgiving than s3 maybe?
proven ocean
Ur cooked if u think ER was easy
merry harness
I mean maybe i just played too much but ER did not feel like a mental hassle
proven ocean
U had to hold GS after a finisher+nail it right on an ER without bugging it and consuming the ER with a 2 cp dispatch from crackshot
I bet u never did that only by luck
frail veldt
Ur cooked if u think ER was easy
Er wasn't that hard either
novel socket
How is current iteration of sin in m+ remotely difficult tho ?
novel socket
They even dropped kb
frail veldt
I loved er
proven ocean
But ok
merry harness
lol
proven ocean
Because literally nobody played outlaw well apart from 3-4 people
And now its literally alot of people
frail veldt
Double vanish and tracking rp for vanish conditions is def harder imo
proven ocean
They even dropped kb
?
runic bough
which boss in raid is the one where u cant use ks at all?
runic bough
sprocket?
merry harness
zeross is cooked thinks only he used GS corretly
proven ocean
If u think assa is easier than outlaw in +10
It definitely is
Its alot harder in a +18 tho
novel socket
which boss in raid is the one where u cant use ks at all?
Sprocket and after
proven ocean
zeross is cooked thinks only he used GS corretly
Idk what ur talking about brotherman
novel socket
Maybe gally still uses ks ?
proven ocean
Im talking about alot of deepminmaxes it had
runic bough
im talking about the boss where you will wipe the raid if you use ks
merry harness
I bet u never did that only by luck
?
twilit nest
Its alot harder in a +18 tho
zeross i disagree
proven ocean
Without justifying why its hard
twilit nest
you cant say its hard because its the only spec you play in 18+
proven ocean
I literally touched all specs in high keys
runic bough
which boss has 2 sides/colors and if u cross it with ks its wipe?
twilit nest
I literally touched all specs in high keys
stop touching people dude its weird
merry harness
I think that might say more about the average assa player than it does about the difficulty
novel socket
Every assa i play against i gap by 20-30%
By that logic any person that plays outlaw well can say outlaw is easy to play when its one of the hardest specs tho
proven ocean
Someone literally 2 mins ago
Replied
U dont even play kb
Sure, i’ll get you in a +18 and see how ur bleed build does
As a matter of fact i have a +18 key right now
twilit nest
zeross
novel socket
Sin channel talks so much about bleed i thought it was played in high keys
proven ocean
I’ll play the supercharger build and literally gap you on every pull too
Because its literally better
proven ocean
Yes
twilit nest
cringe
proven ocean
?
merry harness
Packs lasting too long for bleed build?
civic zephyr
novel socket
which boss has 2 sides/colors and if u cross it with ks its wipe?
Sprocket
proven ocean
Packs lasting too long for bleed build?
That and it doesnt do boss dmg if u pull a boss with deathmark on cd
proven ocean
if you play it correctly
Idk what makes u think that im not playing it correctly
twilit nest
Idk what makes u think that im not playing it correctly
when did i say that
just saying
it does more damage
if you play it correctly.
twilit nest
compared to kb build
proven ocean
I tested both builds
And invited a good sin rogue to compare
It literaly doesnt do more
Lol
merry harness
Yeah makes sense but that is not conclusive tho
proven ocean
I tried it in all keys
proven ocean
Idk what ur trying to say
I even played it in the best bleed build keys
And it does less
merry harness
Yeah I get what u are saying and u might be right but it is still not conclusive evidence
twilit nest
then youre playing it incorrectly
proven ocean
Well i dont give a shit about evidence
proven ocean
David ur probably new to the game
merry harness
Whats ur highest key btw
No I suspected as much after
proven ocean
No I suspected as much after
How would the bleed build do more with higher hp mobs
It doesnt make sense
twilit nest
we're talking about wow rogue builds dont take it personally
merry harness
Yeah sudden is less value in high keys true
haughty wigeon
i mean
twilit nest
but demise isnt the most important thing in bleed build
proven ocean
Many packs die after ur bleeds run out, u cant get restealths in high keys because its a huge waste of time
merry harness
And that + getting less restealths per minute might be enough to make it worse
haughty wigeon
i think this convo would be better in sin, where people doing bleed build in high keys can weigh in
like varas
who did both
and found the opposite conclusion
proven ocean
Ngl twilight
sharp sand
What is bleed I am outlaw
proven ocean
I dont recall any sin rogue playing supercharger
Except casualaddict
And few other top rogues
Which was the play in many dungeons in s1
Which i personally was against as i was doing 16/17s
proven ocean
Im convinced hybrid master assassin just cant do it
In the highest keys possible
It lasts 12 seconds, u wont kill a pack in 12 seconds
Literally wont happen
Loses value over time, sim fights are usually short
merry harness
Yeah in dslice they are
proven ocean
They dont have mega huge mob packs which u cant bleed all of them
Where supercharger will outweigh overall
Problem with 18s and 19s rn
Is that mobs just live far too long
merry harness
If it is better then it should not be hard to show why it is better with sims
proven ocean
Reason why master assassin was hated
In higher keys in s1
I was always playing master assassin as mobs just get 1 shot in that window in +17s
And 16s
Literally a whole different world in a +19 and a 20
runic bough
this is what i got so far guys
proven ocean
If it is better then it should not be hard to show why it is better with sims
Sin sims are kinda fked for high keys
Lots of things going on in high keys
Even casual was playing dashing btw
covert kestrel
oh shid a ryu cook everyone hold on
proven ocean
Find me a sin rogue that’d play dashing
In high keys
Literally none
And he was r1
And he did the most dmg in such keys
haughty wigeon
varas isnt playing this season
then someone else like whipsyr he pushing pretty high this season
proven ocean
And i dont personally recall anyone doing my dps rn
vivid vessel
whispyr ?
proven ocean
As sin
vivid vessel
ok you are starting to get funny now
proven ocean
@vivid vessel what do u think of supercharger btw
vivid vessel
i didnt
proven ocean
It simmed way less
haughty wigeon
idk im just saying
vivid vessel
idk im just saying
wel lyou are mega yuapping rn
haughty wigeon
this convo can be more readily discussed in sin chat
vivid vessel
varas isnt doing keys this season
haughty wigeon
so idk
haughty wigeon
why your picking a fight zac
vivid vessel
never done a key in his life
haughty wigeon
for 0 reason
vivid vessel
dude hates m+
haughty wigeon
like always
proven ocean
Whispyr probably never did a +11
haughty wigeon
hes doing 15s last i saw
proven ocean
Twighlight btw
proven ocean
I dont see where zac is attacking you rn
vivid vessel
i do hate you but
haughty wigeon
stop letting me live in your head rent free
vivid vessel
i cant block you
proven ocean
Xd
vivid vessel
otherwise i cant correct you
haughty wigeon
haughty wigeon
vanish has 0 bugs
proven ocean
Bro
haughty wigeon
when it still has bugs
haughty wigeon
this season
vivid vessel
bro
wide nexus
I don't honestly see the problem with talking about sin in the outlaw chat, this chat is barely used for anything productive except for talking about pushing keys
merry harness
I think we can agree this is dumb
proven ocean
I don't honestly see the problem with talking about sin in the outlaw chat, this...
Mr based showed up
haughty wigeon
im just say zeross, you have your own point. but i think this dicussion can be more reaidily talked about in places where people actually play sin