ok its just a meme build
#outlaw
runic bough
this is all the AOE talents without going trickster
glass mortar
it is not
runic bough
WHY NOT
cinder haven
But idk, can you really not reach decent haste with haste flask and oils etc?
runic bough
i have HO haste from last season so
glass mortar
itll still be stronger then this
runic bough
we wont know until we see an overall
frank finch
glass mortar
17% is a bit much for the calculator to be off by
runic bough
we must sacrifice for a no ks build
glass mortar
xd
hasty warren
it's worst
glass mortar
we have 2 no ks builds
runic bough
oh no
runic bough
it's worst
wintry solar
Why is it 45 minutes
hasty warren
I made expert mod
wintry solar
Ah
frank finch
since when can you sim dun routes wtf
hasty warren
erpert mod is more accuarate It think
hasty warren
since when can you sim dun routes wtf
dunno
wintry solar
Interesting
cinder haven
Nothing wrong with dungeon route sims, they take a long time though
hasty warren
there is a mdt wa than give u the string of the route
and u can paste it into raidbort
frank finch
runic bough
hmm
hasty warren
I far i know dj slice is not realy accuarate
cinder haven
But anyway, like i said earlier. Trickster HO without GS is almost certainly the strongest low haste build for aoe
glass mortar
dslice isnt meant to represent dungeon overall
its just for gear calculator
mdi routes r a bit more hardcore realism wise for dungeons
cinder haven
Dslice does have some issues
runic bough
how are u gonna take GSW with HO
fathom bramble
Dslice can behave weirdly with one use trinkets occasionally
runic bough
there is no wai
fathom bramble
making them lower or higher than they probably should
cinder haven
It always starts with boss for one
runic bough
we cant remove ace
runic bough
ouch
cinder haven
Especially if you want gsw
runic bough
thats a fun factor
wintry solar
You gotta commit
runic bough
dont remove the fun factor
rotund zodiac
No ace, less rng
runic bough
NOOOO
wintry solar
DO IT
runic bough
ok try it
cinder haven
Ace works against gsw
runic bough
ok lets see
wintry solar
Which is crazy how they're so close to each other
cinder haven
You can’t even take gsw without ace unless you take pc
runic bough
ok ok new test build
cinder haven
It’s weird
runic bough
HO+gsw+pc+sc Fatebound
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rotund zodiac
Sometimes I wonder what if we can use all talents at the same time
wintry solar
Yeah
cinder haven
dropped ace
Drop deft for swift slasher too
wintry solar
Bro has deft 
runic bough
ok ok
hasty warren
rip deft
frank finch
Sometimes I wonder what if we can use all talents at the same time
when df first came out there was this ret that was topping all logs and when you looked closely he had all talents selected somehow
cinder haven
Maybe they’ll fix deft one day
runic bough
HO+sc+pc+gsw (no deft) Fatebound
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hasty warren
it's terrible
wintry solar
What's test 2 and test 3
hasty warren
y mb
hasty warren
wintry solar
Yeah I mean it is your gear you'll be using
hasty warren
runic bough
ok im doing current one listed above vs HO trickster sc
cinder haven
BR? Why br of all things?
wintry solar
Funny
cinder haven
I give up
runic bough
bro we did what you said
hasty warren
it's better ig
wintry solar
I said br because I didn't notice slasher wasn't taken
hasty warren
wintry solar
Which one is the one without ace?
hasty warren
Which one is the one without ace?
ace ?
runic bough
NEW BUILD GUYS
glass mortar
its not new
i really dont know what ur trying to do
thats weaker then the non ks st build recommended in the faq
non ks is perfectly viable st
glass mortar
it matches kspree
runic bough
shit
wintry solar
Crap
cinder haven
Why is loaded dice in these
hasty warren
runic bough
what should we take instead of LD
wintry solar
Why is loaded dice in these
"More buffs duh"
-Ryu
wintry solar
I asked the same thing lol
runic bough
Tobbie thinks its bad
hasty warren
gs ?
wintry solar
Ghostly Strike
hasty warren
y ik
cinder haven
Ghostly strike isn’t bad
runic bough
maybe Improved MG
glass mortar
u take LD if u dont have s2 4set
hasty warren
i mean to replace ld
glass mortar
if u do u take sleight
cinder haven
But it raises haste req
hasty warren
fck
runic bough
LD wont open up ace agian
wintry solar
Oh crap that's right
cinder haven
Loaded dice at least with tier 4pc and sleight is 1% dps talent
hasty warren
improved main gauche xd
wintry solar
There we go
hasty warren
cooking smells good
wintry solar
I smell what the rock is cooking
wintry solar
Oh yeah true
runic bough
we would have to drop imp MG also
glass mortar
yes
cinder haven
Yes
runic bough
yea
glass mortar
theres zero reason to have imp mg
wintry solar
Yeah exactly
glass mortar
its awful
u dont have any talent to make mg better
no deft
no kspree
its worthless
runic bough
ok ok
cinder haven
Not coup even
cinder haven
Except bad
runic bough
hasty warren
nor good in st and aoe
wintry solar
Hypothetically in the most technical sense yes
cinder haven
Just one small catch 
glass mortar
this is just a worst fatebound ho build
wintry solar
Exactly
glass mortar
but w/e
cinder haven
Have fun tho
glass mortar
do what u wanna 4fun
runic bough
im simming again
still matrix
How far is the best trickster m+ build from fatebound m+?
wintry solar
Uh oh
runic bough
guys
hasty warren
this much ?
cinder haven
At least compare with the fb ho build in faq
runic bough
Fuck heavy hitter
glass mortar
wdym lowered it
runic bough
original fun build was higher
late swallow
cinder haven
It’s because you don’t have tier
wintry solar
Specifically 4s
runic bough
ok I also dont have s2 tier true
cinder haven
Ld is alright before 4pc
glass mortar
this talent is useless if u dont have set
cinder haven
But idk if you really should play supercharger HO without tier
runic bough
Elf has S2 tier
glass mortar
it does not. the chance is not good enough and u dont want to spam roll before set
u should be playing the old style with LD and old roll rules
u also should be playing with vigor instead of supercharger
cinder haven
And probably vigor
wintry solar
Yes
runic bough
k
glass mortar
if ur playing ho dont take deft
runic bough
k
cinder haven
Build 5 here
wintry solar
I usually wait until the end of the season to do stuff like this so this is nice
cinder haven
It’s the actual recommendation
cinder haven
I dont think it takes sleight
hasty warren
only ld
cinder haven
Not sure it matters that much
wintry solar
You're slowly creating the same build
runic bough
Sleight is better than Triple and imp MG
hasty warren
fix point theorem
cinder haven
I’m on mobile can’t copy the build from faq
runic bough
the build I posted was the one in the guide most likely
wintry solar
I just tried the same
cinder haven
The bottom one in the alternative ho builds
runic bough
ok i got 3 builds to sim now
wintry solar
Tob do you think the no ace thing is here stay next season?
runic bough
i named them all
wintry solar
Thank you
hasty warren
Tob do you think the no ace thing is here stay next season?
ace is fun rn but I think it can be cool to chnage playstyle soon
wintry solar
Yeah it brought me out of retirement
cinder haven
Tob do you think the no ace thing is here stay next season?
It’s probably relying on SC cdr
hasty warren
honnestly it's way better than all df builds
wintry solar
I was thinking the same thing
cinder haven
So maybe it won’t work without 4pc from this tier
hasty warren
sc = supercharger ?
wintry solar
Yeah
runic bough
im simming 3 of the builds now
cinder haven
No ace can have issues with adr uptime
hasty warren
adr is prime since vigor is mistplace now
cinder haven
It’s good damage but you do drop cdr
runic bough
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1MuezzgSn1Yhgeb1SytvMD
Without s2 tier
- Ho Trickster SC
- HO Fate Vigor GS
- Ryukages HO no KS GSW Omega No Ace
wintry solar
I was going to tell you the other day that when adr drops I'm usually around 30 seconds away from my next adr without the cdr added
runic bough
without s2 tier
cinder haven
With resteslths in not too high keys i think no ace works fine
wintry solar
I'm playing casually anyway. Nobody needs dps these days.
cinder haven
So the tea build is kinda close to ho trickster
wintry solar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1MuezzgSn1Yhgeb1SytvMD
Without s2 tier
...
Interesting
wintry solar
Any lethality lovers in chat?
cinder haven
You don’t need tea in aoe really iirc
hasty warren
fortunatly
wintry solar
Isn't the mastery good in aoe tho?
cinder haven
Not really
runic bough
im changing it sec
wintry solar
I don't even remember what Ryus build is anymore atp
wintry solar
It's HO/GS/GSW/No Ace?
hasty warren
I don't even remember what Ryus build is anymore atp
greenskin
only think I can remember
and no ks ofc
hasty warren
oil up
let him cook
wintry solar
Btw I think it was a leveling dungeon that made me the Shrine Of The Storm was in a M+ rotation semi-recently
hasty warren
Btw I think it was a leveling dungeon that made me the Shrine Of The Storm was i...
kek
same feeling
fair charm
Isn't the mastery good in aoe tho?
Not “really good” but deft maneuvers made it better than worthless.
hasty warren
honnesly I can solo tank every dungeon during leveling, but this one is impossible
runic bough
im going to sim in HO SC Trickster so all the builds below it will be my testing builds
wintry solar
honnesly I can solo tank every dungeon during leveling, but this one is impossib...
Yeah it'll make you put distract and sap into your rotation
wintry solar
im going to sim in HO SC Trickster so all the builds below it will be my testing...
That's a good baseline
runic bough
hasty warren
runic bough
wintry solar
Alright let's see
hasty warren
ready to be chockbar
hasty warren
I need to fix that name
2H
runic bough
fixing names again
you guys are gonna be surprised
I need to fix the name and run it again
my build is only 1% behind the meta
no ks
one sec
fixing name
hasty warren
meta with ur gear*
cinder haven
It’s fun to cook, but remember that this is without tier
wintry solar
Wait this could possibly hint at something for no ace next season
runic bough
blizzard really slapped outlaws with this bullshit tier
cinder haven
Tier set enables HO to take supercharger
wintry solar
Nvm
hasty warren
tier 4 is fun, tier 2 is meh
cinder haven
I don’t think that will work next tier
cinder haven
Idk I’m guessing a little bit here
hasty warren
I compared our tier set with demono one, we just not playing the same game
wintry solar
I'm gonna remain hopeful
wintry solar
I compared our tier set with demono one, we just not playing the same game
Demono?
wintry solar
Ded gummit
runic bough
RESULTS ARE IN
wintry solar
RAHHHH
wintry solar
What a guy
hasty warren
wintry solar
I'd so play that
frank finch
(throws plate back)
wintry solar
Bro didn't read the morning paper
runic bough
lethality is .5% better than tea
ITS OFFICIAL GUYS
Going to drop my demonhunter and play outlaw again
cinder haven
wintry solar
Going to drop my demonhunter and play outlaw again
And to think it's a gsw build
runic bough
i kept thinking about gsw maybe this is why
cinder haven
Soon you’ll join the KS camp too
runic bough
NEVER
cinder haven
rotund zodiac
wintry solar
Don't let Zac see
hasty warren
no way he's awake now
dense wyvern
trying to play this HO KS build in M+ hectic lol. When do you KS whenever you not in SUbterfuge?
dense wyvern
ya sure
i ahte trying to figure out when to KS lol
i like freeze up trying to make sure its right time to do it
runic bough
this is aoe build
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dense wyvern
cool i give it a whirl. Last 10 i just did was 3.15 overall
i see what this is after next ne
runic bough
my build doesnt have Ace procs
so
it should also be easier
way easier, but no ks
i need to sim for single target build still
maybe just the regular HO for single target
dense wyvern
i like KS brings me back to SoO but i cant get the hang of it yet lol
sometimes i can go like 5 minutes without using cuase all the HO procs
runic bough
yeah prob regular HO gs ace for single target
hasty warren
i'm going to sleep a little, ty for the cooking guys
runic bough
gn gn
still matrix
That build is 1% behind trickster?
frank finch
with no tier
frank finch
whats the lucky coin upotime tho
runic bough
im gonna go full crit/vers
no tier
lets see
heavy vers when available
those are pvp jewelrys right
I need to get updated in s2
Im officially unretired guys
Ryukage is back
wintry solar
Maybe I should drop tier and join you
runic bough
i kept telling everyone this tier is garbage
dawn dome
they damn well should un cap outlaw aoe
runic bough
xD
dawn dome
i hate killing spree
frail veldt
cinder haven
Just have to pray for a rework 
runic bough
I just made a build for you guys
wicked obsidian
don't think so... blizzard for sure thinks that its such a cool skill and even build a whole hero tree around it. they won't understand that nobady hates it. see it as an additional affix for outaw. we can only hope that fatebound gets buffed...
runic bough
you can say bye to the lame tier set and ks using my build
late hill
Does someone know why there is no chest after completing dragonflight dungeons? Just soloed Algethar, but neither boss drop nor chest at the end
cinder haven
you can say bye to the lame tier set and ks using my build
I thought you liked buffs though?
I may have to tank a bit this tier to convince some mates to play
But what tank to pick hmm
Bdk is fun i guess
dense wyvern
Hmm well i had to switch mid dungeon cause it didn't work for me and then i tried simming your test build and its 16% difference
wintry solar
Lul
dense wyvern
prob works for you since you have no tier and prob pretty bad stats, but dont work for me
cinder haven
Hobgoblin change in brew seems kinda nice for us
Instead of the drops eating up our bf damage maybe we can contribute to killing the actual mobs
runic bough
bdk is the most tanky
dh is the most mobile and aoe interupts
i would try war
or bdk
dh resource system is just lame
cinder haven
We’ll probably have a havoc so no dh i think
wintry solar
Love bdk
runic bough
yeah i would go bdk if I did it over
cinder haven
I’ve played bdk a fair bit before
runic bough
also think about the dps spec ull play
cinder haven
Yeah i don’t know yet
cinder haven
It’s gonna be cursed comp regardless
runic bough
dk u can tank and dps
novel socket
havoc is limited like outlaw
Isn't the laser beam uncapped ?
wise flower
Question, guild wants me to switch to Assassination.. Gear I collected isnt awful but I dont seem to get anywhere near my Outlaw Sims, about 200k ish? Does Outlaw just sim alot higher than what they do, or is it time to stick to swords going brrrr
cinder haven
Outlaw sim assumes 100% uptime on boss
You can do good damage on outlaw if you don’t have to do mechanics
wise flower
Isee, so Assassination will prolly do similar dps in practice
cinder haven
Sub and sin are much less reliant on uptime
wise flower
Cool cool, thanks a bunch ^-^
cinder haven
novel socket
Sub lives and dies on uptime during cds
cinder haven
Yeah but you can usually control that a bit
novel socket
You lose that because shit happens and you do tank dps :pedro:
cinder haven
For sure if you mess up a cd window as sub its gg
pearl girder
what's optimal adr uptime in keys
novel socket
+85% i think ?
cinder haven
On wcl on a really good key I can do 90-95%
rotund zodiac
Anyone got tip for KS during gallywix rotating laser phase?
cinder haven
But that’s with laser focus
rotund zodiac
wise flower
I found that it always puts you on the same spot relevant to the way the boss looks. So what I do, I use it right before the lasers come out to determine the spot
rotund zodiac
Sometimes it works
rotund zodiac
noted, ty king
wintry solar
On wcl on a really good key I can do 90-95%
What about on an average run of the mill key?
cinder haven
What about on an average run of the mill key?
85% maybe
But on a bad key it can go down to like 70%
Hmm maybe not that low
Like 78% is the worst i can find
No i found a really shit one with 75%
With 3 deaths 💀
I was playing no ace too
runic bough
is vers still best embelishment
cinder haven
Still good, lens better for st though
runic bough
did they buff lens proc chance
last time it was like 1 out of 1000 hits
really dumb
cinder haven
Embellishments are not very impactful in general
cinder haven
Double lens was less than 1% overall in some key i checked
runic bough
yeah thats why i went double vers
might as well have the vers over stupid low proc chance
cinder haven
Double vers is better in aoe but also hard to squeeze in early season
runic bough
i just got 5 sparks from LFR
so I can make 2 crafts already
Im just going to recraft s1 gears
cinder haven
Mh, ring?
runic bough
i need to check which gears have been replaced
cinder haven
Wrist maybe
cinder haven
Neck you probably want pvp neck eventually
cinder haven
There’s a high haste vers ring from dfc
runic bough
well it depends what i find first
cinder haven
Ye
Idk what to craft next week myself
Boots you can catalyse for good stats and you can buy boe myth track eventually
runic bough
im not buying no boe
cinder haven
Belt there’s a few good ones from m+
wrists you kinda have to craft
There’s only shit wrists
cinder haven
There’s only one good ring from m+ and it’s haste slanted so in the end we probably don’t even want that
Gotta get lucky with delve or oab ring
cinder haven
You need two though
runic bough
yeah
open stag
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
Guy's - Afenar's Edit 
Luxthos Edit
Zac's Group 
Devlin
Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
cinder haven
One crafted ring for sure
runic bough
the island ring is prob good until i get a mythic replacement
cinder haven
Then ideally you’d want a vers slanted for second
There’s pvp ring and some from delve
And oab
cinder haven
We don’t take chest
runic bough
so I wont upgrade legs
cosmic dove
is here a giga pro outlaw who can take a closer look at some of my logs (+12?)
runic bough
well i also did all the other LFR's in that time
cosmic dove
!log
runic bough
!up
ornate heathBOT
south scaffold
Guys, im a itemlvl 658 rogue and having Problems with high Tier delves.... you guys have any Tipps? Any particular bran setup?
cinder haven
Healer brann
vague cape
thoughts on ghostly vs count the odds?
exotic agate
Kinda meh kujo change. Did try some ks tech but prop not worth
vivid vessel
thoughts on ghostly vs count the odds?
gs more st a bit
both similar
cto less variance
gs want more energy
vivid vessel
Kinda meh kujo change. Did try some ks tech but prop not worth
well outlaw does tank dps on that fight now
good luck maintaining adr while being afk 30% of the fight
vague cape
lowkey
if there's a lock in ur group start of workshop
mightaswell just be sin
then summon in as outlaw after kujo
vague cape
the whole patch ye why not
vague cape
3t cleave sin is pretty big
vivid vessel
ye
runic bough
zac i made a new build
cinder haven
Can we vanish while behind box to save adr?
vague cape
ye
cinder haven
Still gonna suck
vivid vessel
i mean ye but
vague cape
tbh if ur lucky and emissary lines up
cinder haven
But that’s something
vague cape
you can hit her and flurry the boss
median herald
Am I the only one that thinks outlaw is pretty fucking strong in HO
teal wing
Vanish on cd
cinder haven
If it lines up only
cinder haven
Keys?
cinder haven
Yep
vivid vessel
but since 95% of people do these keys i guess outlaw is op
median herald
There are no real rewards after 13 anyways tho I guess
vivid vessel
dont look at the fact its unplayable in higher keys
teal wing
Cinderbrew tripple oulaw meta
cinder haven
Hobgoblin changes help us do more meaningful damage at least
We’ll still suck there though
cinder haven
Yes
vivid vessel
which in the end
isnt even good for us
cause what spec was better at killing these shitters when the pack was over
outlaw
cinder haven
They buggers eat our bf damage
vivid vessel
no cause they only removed the spawn at end of pack
which by then pack is dead
and we good at speeding that up
they didnt remove the ones that are here from start
being useless
exotic agate
so outlaw got nerfed again
cinder haven
They are often pulled into next pack tho
exotic agate
gg
vivid vessel
in workshop
cinder haven
Just increase time between vents or even better make it one hit instead
Let me play the game
hidden bay
guys its just 1 boss
vivid vessel
Why can't I
cinder haven
Works
vivid vessel
What's the point
hidden bay
and they nerfed hp by 10%
vivid vessel
Domus
hidden bay
it probably takes as long to kill anyway
vivid vessel
Outlaw will be doing litteral tank damage on that boss now
wintry solar
You could auto attack through pillars in arena with acro
vivid vessel
You realize that right
You think other specs get hit like we do ?
Don't say it's one boss
exotic agate
would be dps gain to hold ks for the aoe?
vivid vessel
Especially when outlaw is unplayable on every boss in workshop
Which is kinda crazy
hidden bay
yeah i know
cinder haven
Doubt anyone is happy but it hurts us more as usual
hidden bay
but not every dungeon should be good for every spec
cinder haven
hidden bay
idk im just not being negative anymore
vivid vessel
Okok
hidden bay
i rerolled to being indifferent or slightly positive
vivid vessel
Take your positivity out of this channel please
cinder haven
You’re safe if zac is safe dw
hidden bay
i stopped doing above 10 on outlaw
and suddenly
im not depressed about the spec 24/7
daring oxide
Just press your hands together
vivid vessel
and the spec feels better
hidden bay
i still think they might drop a lil ks rework at some point in .5
sus that theres no class changes
but content is dropping in 3 batches so
maybe some class changes with one of those
exotic agate
maybe class changes for 12.0
wintry solar
What I like about outlaw is you can play literally any build and do top notch dmg in low keys
wintry solar
I got a little more gear and played HO/KiR and topped meters
hidden bay
i went from mega wanting to push this season
to doing weeklies by boosting and sin maining in raid cuz i cba putting in effort anymore
wintry solar
Yeah I swapped to my dk for real key pushing. I doubt I'd even go above a 13 on my rogue.
exotic agate
going to be playing outlaw on bandit prog
wintry solar
So nice tanking and not having to hunt for a key or people to run your own.
The next tier set heavily influences if I play my rogue at all in 11.2
rotund zodiac
I’m not satisfied until I time all 15s as outlaw
wintry solar
I thought the same thing until I ran a double rogue 16 and was sweating to keep up with dam
And then the 24 million killing spree
I can't even pvp with it anymore after they done nerfed restless blades
World content spec
rotund zodiac
I can't even pvp with it anymore after they done nerfed restless blades
What about it
less CDR?
wintry solar
Reduced Restless Blades by 20%
I know people throw around "unplayable" a lot but it's pretty borderline atp
vivid vessel
i rolled
cinder haven
Outlaw bis on kujo
hidden bay
bro no way if you roll 1 buffs
cinder haven
Confirmed
rotund zodiac
post fix kujo 16
Did use cloak to get more dps during vent?
hidden bay
yeah why not
rotund zodiac
nice
hidden bay
now thats technology
rotund zodiac
doing that
haughty moat
yeah its fun for trolling
rotund zodiac
Did use cloak to get more dps during vent?
I also intentionally get hit by last tick for more dps ( cheat death ready)
vivid vessel
you do tank dmg
youi dont undrestand outlaw or what
lavish siren
you are so stupid
hidden bay
yes downtime bad we know that
hidden bay
i played that fight with plenty of shit tanks to have to hide pre hotfix
and yes its bad but not tank dmg bad
intermission soon im getting flame in like 10 secs
merry harness
First rule of nerfs is never say it wont be that bad
vivid vessel
you are clearly way better at the game than me domus
and outlaw works very weel
when you have to afk
30% of a fight
every 30s
red zinc
hidden bay
and outlaw works very weel
idk why you saying that i never said downtime wasnt bad for ol
why is me disagreeing that you will do tank dmg equal to me saying outlaw is good on the fight
vivid vessel
I mean you know what i mean when i say we will be doing tank damage
wintry solar
An exaggeration but almost not really?
novel socket
How many here play with cheat death :monkahmm:
wintry solar
Absolutely not
wicked obsidian
with bad luck the ks dot anyway kills you twice
covert kestrel
How many here play with cheat death :monkahmm:
I miss elusiveness
wide flare
Does the strat for third boss of DF consist in me putting my hands together?
All my tanks want me to get stunned, they don’t move even if I ask…
teal wing
Just tell them key deplete inc need space for my dig bick ks maneuvers
After key is startet obv
wide flare
😂
teal wing
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
Pre-key fuckery
- RTB as you enter dungeon to get Supercharger.
ADR before key insert for the Loaded Dice buff and cp.- DO NOT rtb again inside the bubble as you will lose the supercharger stacks, simillarly do not adr inside the bubble or you will lose the cps
- After the bubble drops RTB again (now at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
- Before entering the first pack
BF then 
Stealth - Open on pack with ADR (in range with target, this will pull) into BtE.
ebon reef
thx
wide flare
It’s like when I trying to tag and telling group leader yeah i’ve got “big survivability” like do they know I will KMS at least once
teal wing
Kmspree inc
ebon reef
i love dying during KS
wicked obsidian
is there any official comment why they don't change trickster or ks? i mean in the beta already the majority complained that this tree will not be good, because of the nature of m+ and one shot mechanics... even in s1 the reason wasn't the underperforming of the tree it was ks and fatebound was chosen because it was more or less equal....
vivid vessel
found this accidentaly browsing the forums btw https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/killing-spree-fix-concept/2088489
interesting
Looking into it !
imagine you get into a dungeon
and bud send the outlaw route
went well
(no)
4 packs later
i think mage went afk
ebon reef
i think monk went afk
vivid vessel
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNtSCkvbPgMIIFQMPbjbZ1cfctBELVhEP?si=9P0BgnFK55dv28B9 @fathom bramble @glass mortar another one for the collection
i have a folder of these now
no cap
rustic lotus
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNtSCkvbPgMIIFQMPbjbZ1cfctBELVhEP?si=9P0BgnFK55dv28B...
What your party sees when your rogue has KS Stagger
honest sparrow
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxNtSCkvbPgMIIFQMPbjbZ1cfctBELVhEP?si=9P0BgnFK55dv28B...
Is cheat death over elusivness worth it in floodgate?
vivid vessel
no
cheat death is trash
and useless
but
im playing killing spree
and im dying on cd
terse beacon
Been awhile since I played outlaw in M+, considering playing it for OAB mythic atm, whats the got to build? (I feel there's a lot so I wanted to ask)
pliant wind
hahaha
terse beacon
(want to go for min complexity early doors to get back into the swing of things)
vivid vessel
hm
i feel like oab mythic is maybe not exactly the boss you want to just
try out outlaw on
outlaw is very weird rn
its also not specially good on the boss either
looks good on metters thjo
but you need to play killing spree
which like
i wouldnt first time outlaw on oab
just me thop
its not better so there is no point really
if you want to you probably play hidden opportunity
with cleave talents if you wanna pad
otherwsie you play ho st and target the reel assistants
can check wcl
people do either of that
mystic rapids
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
pliant wind
im in sim drugs?
vivid vessel
you are comparing it against a st build
pliant wind
i guess so
vivid vessel
so idk
wicked acorn
LMAO
pliant wind
xDDDD
vivid vessel
i wll igve you it tho
we prolly never sim without double trace
but the other talents are bad so
i doubt it ever win anything
just dont sim st profile vs aoe profiles lol
wicked acorn
🤦
round dragon
how does supercharger work if you spend with it at full CPs?
vivid vessel
doesnt change antyhing the amount of cp you spend
its just always + 3 cp
but you dont play around it
round dragon
so it's like I spent 10 CPs on that ability?
round dragon
ah ok. That makes sense now. Initially I thought it's a use or lose type thing
round dragon
I do sometimes spend when am at like 3 CPs with it there knowing 3+2=5. Should I stop doing that too?
round dragon
gotcha
desert tendon
ebon reef
and im dying on cd
relatable
quiet swallow
@vivid vessel how are you handling ks vs vanish when AR buff is expiring? Ik killing spree is high priority but I noticed when there’s downtime this situation happens where I either need to vanish to extend AR or send ks and then lose my AR during the animation.
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> how are you handling ks vs vanish when AR buff is expiring...
unless another adr is coming back
like
next finisher
or next 2 finishers and i can build without dying right (no ss)
i can send ks
otherwise vanish
otherwise
sometimes i send low cp ks
say i have like 4s left on adr
or hwatver
1cp ks into build into vanish
can also work
idk you kinda have to judge
what you are able to do
moment to moment
to not lose adr
ebon reef
to not lose adr
well will it be an issue if you lose it for like 5 sec
or like 2/3 globals
vivid vessel
depends a bit
if you have ps banked
or in aoe and bf is ready
you know what i mean
cause 5 s left on adr can turn into an infininty if you have to send 5 ss to build up
ebon reef
cause 5 s left on adr can turn into an infininty if you have to send 5 ss to bui...
ye i was just wondering cause just a second ago i ran out of adr but maybe cuz i was rushing up the psf stairs
had to send a ss ks for adr rush
3rd psf for the dasy
jolly geyser
ebon reef
I might have too much haste
can you give me some
wicked acorn
can you give me some
oh no 😭
keen belfry
@vivid vessel how much does law do in m+