basically have to
#outlaw
gaunt phoenix
split lintel
Are there any fights this season where it's like dawn breaker where using KS on the boat was basically a death sentence?
valid kindle
sprocket myth like solo mentioned
though there is less of instant death and more you send half your team flying
gaunt phoenix
M sprocket is more like killing the entire raid instead of you
glass mortar
mugzee if you hit a bad mine as well
gaunt phoenix
i dont think there is a boss where KS is guaranteed player death every time
glass mortar
less limiting then sprocket thoi
gaunt phoenix
rookery 1st boss dont use in intermission
valid kindle
ks has managed to put me in front of mug'zee hc just as tank buster was going out, now I know to detail it
gaunt phoenix
unless you have cloak
Cauldron dont use during dino beam
or you eat a 450 million stagger
gaunt phoenix
i think it does have the slightest delay
late swallow
you simply cannot press KS on sprocket
valid kindle
last time I ate the beam I was slamming the button but didn't manage it
late swallow
even 1cp KS will troll
dawn talon
the delay feels like 0.25s
oh you do just take full damage during the last tick though
gaunt phoenix
you cant spell queue cloak so you'd have to hit the exact interval yea
weary fog
What if you bound cloak to scroll wheel and just spammed scroll while ur ksing in the beam
gaunt phoenix
huge
covert kestrel
I wish the ks dot had second of delay
it do, isnt it like 0.5s? so can do if you're spell queue smashing
upbeat tundra
no quick fix for ks in the .5 patch is kinda crazy tho
gaunt phoenix
Cant spell queue anything during ks
covert kestrel
Cant spell queue anything during ks
another reason its the GOAT spell
gaunt phoenix
ye
safe pasture
do yall have any tips for king mechagon? feel like its super hard top keep high dps on the fight
upbeat tundra
just speed the shit up 500% and make us immortal during it while u figure out a real solution for ks
so we can play the shit
glass mortar
kspree should turn us into the solo leveling protag for the duration
gaunt phoenix
do yall have any tips for king mechagon? feel like its super hard top keep high ...
you can vanish at the stun and it will preserve ar
or get lucky and can afford to hold AR a bit
glass mortar
also ask ur tank ahead of time to move him off of mines
otherwise u wont be able to kspree
safe pasture
ty !
glass mortar
and thats pretty costly dps wise
upbeat tundra
or ask ur tank to move on candle guy in dfc or a billion other places in keys
gaunt phoenix
you just cant hit the mine with the phantom teleport at the end of ks
or you instantly die
late swallow
everytime you press KS it plays the violin part from "viva la vida" by coldplay
glass mortar
THANK CHRIST
upbeat tundra
mechagon first boss when ur tank doesnt move the fuckers away from the mines is infuriating
glass mortar
spend the last 2 hours replacing this damn power board in this centrifuge and it turned on first try
upbeat tundra
or u ks into the slam
glass mortar
gaunt phoenix
nice
covert kestrel
spend the last 2 hours replacing this damn power board in this centrifuge and it...
gaunt phoenix
wow havoc apl is a lot of characters
covert kestrel
that was meant to be posted in another discord
what, a discord for fuckin NERDS
glass mortar
nah a friends chat lmao
i was reading in their and typed this in while putting the centrifuge back together and hit enter without looking
and i was back in this discord
???
cant escape i guess
covert kestrel
nah a friends chat lmao
must be nice
glass mortar
its ok any chat with u is a friends chat
covert kestrel
like ks, you just end up in random discords everytime you press enter
glass mortar
ive had this happen before but always on mobile
stray ginkgo
spend the last 2 hours replacing this damn power board in this centrifuge and it...
Ooo what model fuge
glass mortar
legend micro 17
late swallow
weran flexing his friends
glass mortar
probably 15 years old at least
thankfully thermo still sells parts for it and they had them still in stock
i dont wanna see what these prices r gunna shoot up to in a few weeks
stray ginkgo
legend micro 17
Oh yeah those are honestly pretty good machines
I think they still make them tbh
glass mortar
mhm ive replaced the rotor on them a few times and occasionaly the lid latch but they rarely have serious breakdowns. good stuff for sure
glass mortar
hes just being generous
letting all the current r1s last another week
what a chill guy
glass mortar
yes
late swallow
glass mortar
i mean u can literally just see it in sims if u simmed with coup bug overried right
vivid vessel
also i have no gear yet
glass mortar
zac i literally will not be higher sim dps then i was pre fix
vivid vessel
i need a few weeks to catch up
sullen wyvern
I feel like going back to KiR
glass mortar
im like 6 ilvl higher rn competing with my old parses
daring oxide
i do less damage than 3 weeks ago
No excuses Zac please beat my r1 so I can put all my energy in beating you next weeks raid
sullen wyvern
I just did a CB 14 and god manI fucking hate that key as outlaw, too many chainpulls
glass mortar
good chainpulling is fine tho
sullen wyvern
does anyone know if HO suffers more from not being able to get int ostealth from pack to pack than KiR?
stray ginkgo
mhm ive replaced the rotor on them a few times and occasionaly the lid latch but...
Lid latch is all I ever had to do
Maybe im remembering right a few rubber seals
glass mortar
yea its not too bad to take apart honestly, the place im working rn does not take good care of their equipment so... i had to do alot of cleanup inside
and now i have ancient hematocrit tubes all over my work desk and most of them still have blood in them
☠️
gunna be another 20 minutes of cleaning
dried old blood but still kinda gross
sullen wyvern
Weran do you have any takes on my question? or anyone for that matter
solo zac
guy
glass mortar
i mean
covert kestrel
constant pulls == restealth in terms of AR uptime, you dont need to restealth like assa does
glass mortar
hard to feelycraft that. KiR more reliant on churning cdr and crackshot windows for buffs and such i think but those windows are important for both builds
the thing is, proper chaining is fine for outlaw
u dont get restealths in patchwerk sims
sullen wyvern
on paper I feel that KiR suffers less since I dont lose the giga haste buff from coming out of stealth (assming vanish is down for whatever reason) but I am not sure
stray ginkgo
gunna be another 20 minutes of cleaning
The worst thing I ever had to disassembly from the lab was an old parafin dispenser with a cold plate. There was so much wax inside it was full and I couldn't access boards.
glass mortar
stray ginkgo
I actually used a neo heat lamp to melt and drain it out onto a cart along with the heat element on there
glass mortar
how long did it take to melt
glass mortar
thats one of those jobs where im like "yea i know it took twice as long as you quoted, you didnt quote it knowing it would be filled with samples I had to clear out to even open the thing"
me when the lab techs try to bring me up a broken piece of equipment and its filled with fresh specimens
stray ginkgo
vivid vessel
No excuses Zac please beat my r1 so I can put all my energy in beating you next ...
i litteraly cannot
i have 0 gear
and im doing
0 daamge
and kir is shit
and outlaw is rng
gg its over i give up
glass mortar
there is alot of variance this tier honesty, it feels worse then normal
stray ginkgo
me when the lab techs try to bring me up a broken piece of equipment and its fil...
I dont miss lab. Love the techs. Hate lab equipment.
glass mortar
on sprocket kill i had a 40s period where i had 2 chains of 6+ SS with no procs, no CtO procs, and i was rolling back to back 1 buffs
glass mortar
i went a full AR without vanishing
glass mortar
cause i couldnt get it off cd
vivid vessel
supposed to be doing
glass mortar
was kinda crazy
sullen wyvern
runic bough
Yo guys its me, Ryukage.
I think I'm coming back out of retirement to try the new HO SC Fatebound GSW SC build
magic shuttle
Barrel spawn rng is quite impactful on that boss
runic bough
Gsw might go hard with sc
Need test
Make a build without ks
Has this been tested?
stray ginkgo
Yo guys its me~ wyukage.
i think i'm coming back out of owo wetiwement to twy teh nyew ho owo sc fatebound gsw sc uwu
runic bough
late swallow
WELCOME BACK KING
glass mortar
???
runic bough
Sc won't do shit
glass mortar
gsw is the most nothingburger talent in our tree
its value is not hard to quantify or measure
runic bough
Nvm cancel return. Still retirement
glass mortar
its a very do nothing calculator talent
stray ginkgo
Uwu
runic bough
Unless it made ps into bte dmg
But blizzard would never do that
Nerf it all
Oh sorry solo I talked about blizzard
covert kestrel
Nvm cancel return. Still retirement
how are vdh keys going king
runic bough
Shit I'm gonna get banned
late swallow
ryukage green name when?
runic bough
how are vdh keys going king
Had some last night moving up to 12's now
covert kestrel
Had some last night moving up to 12's now
thick valve
does anyone have WA that shows me that I don't have feint like tomelvis?
hidden bay
11.1.7 not for another 2 months
probably some changes with the content drop mini patches that will happen surely
stray ginkgo
ryukage green name when?
Admin material
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> peak patch notes
ye
radiant gull
confirmed
runic bough
Nice
hybrid crown
Light theme ewwww
upbeat tundra
isnt this .5 patch a net negative? didnt this just add some goofy ass activity i have to do for player power and also not do anything to classes
desert tendon
cant wait to watch you guys stream later 😳 💋
vivid vessel
isnt this .5 patch a net negative? didnt this just add some goofy ass activity i...
ye
legit nothing
red zinc
you dont have to do it
upbeat tundra
this is worse than nothing
glass mortar
i mean depends what u mean by net negative
it will make prog easier if ur not done with prog
they arent buffing the challenging content
to compensate for more player power
red zinc
afaik even the corruptions stuff you dont have to do
glass mortar
its not like its getting harder
upbeat tundra
i just gained an activity i have to do that i dont want to do right
runic bough
Zac going to MDI?
red zinc
someone said the enchants werent soulbound so
vestal notch
yes most likely
red zinc
corruptions aint mandatory
vivid vessel
Zac going to MDI?
no
upbeat tundra
RIP
torn loom
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic bough
@vivid vessel you better go in there as outlaw and die from ks so the whole world can see
covert kestrel
runic bough
If I was in MDI, I'd give a shout out to my homies before pressing ks
And if I die then I die
strong halo
whats the killing spree bug everyone seems to be reffering too?
covert kestrel
If I was in MDI, I'd give a shout out to my homies before pressing ks
who are your homies
introduce us
runic bough
Basically you guys
runic bough
whats the killing spree bug everyone seems to be reffering too?
Its not bugged, it's just a troll ability
strong halo
if blizz made u immune to dmg while it happened would it be better?
runic bough
Yeah sure but it still sucks
Adds no aoe
Nothing
Small dmg
Loss of movement for 2 seconds
vestal notch
if blizz made u immune to dmg while it happened would it be better?
most op defensive ever then
runic bough
Can't cancel it
covert kestrel
if blizz made u immune to dmg while it happened would it be better?
we press it way too often for blizz to consider that the way to fix the ability
just make us able to move ffs
analog fog
vague cape
if blizz made u immune to dmg while it happened would it be better?
3x outlaw would be best comp
frail veldt
Its not bugged, it's just a troll ability
it is bugged
vague cape
20s immune xd
covert kestrel
3x outlaw would be best comp
wasnt that the meta one season
frail veldt
the stagger doesnt work sometimes
strong halo
how much of a dps loss is it to just not use it?
frail veldt
we dont know exactly why
frail veldt
how much of a dps loss is it to just not use it?
not use killing spree?
covert kestrel
how much of a dps loss is it to just not use it?
if you do that, switch to fatebound and lose %10 aoe dps
strong halo
ye
frail veldt
I think fatebound is like 15% behind in dslice
covert kestrel
oh shid is it 15 now
frail veldt
I thought it was something ridiculous now yeah
youd lose less damage always pressing 1cp KS than playing fatebound
thats how much better trickster is
strong halo
thx for the education havent played rogue this season
covert kestrel
thx for the education havent played rogue this season
you're a lucky man
strong halo
im playing VDH rip my eyes out pleaase
i got hit with a hunter telling me "Its not my job to misdirect" as he blows his load 0.2 seconds into pull and dies from aggro
on a +13
never doing another season as tank thats fo sure
covert kestrel
i got hit with a hunter telling me "Its not my job to misdirect" as he blows his...
thats a hunter FER SHER
strong halo
Feign death? never heard of her
hybrid crown
I can tell when a Dh has chosen between threat and living and am glad either way I can save those involved with link totem lol
Usually just drop it right away the first giga pull of a key
runic bough
Okay so let's get this straight...
killingspree Issues
- Unable to cancel
- Bugged, not always applying stagger.
- Movement loss two seconds.
- Camera movement can glitch.
- Small dmg for a two second loss of movement.
- Adds no aoe dmg for a two second loss of movement.
- Teleports randomly around single targets putting you in mechanics.
- Often killing you, even though the damage is converted to a dot.
Pin this for blizzard evaluation.
glass mortar
im telling u
zac
down with FF
why is our energy gen like this
we arent supposed to run out of energy except as punishment
why can sometimes u just rng no energy gen
late swallow
maybe this is our punishment
glass mortar
i checked our sprocket log and i had like 12s of no FF procs
and i was starved with 4 buffs and adr up
runic bough
Anything to add to the killingspree punishment list?
glass mortar
couldnt ghostly for almost a full effective CD of ghostly
gaunt phoenix
5 and 6 are just wrong
late swallow
i love ryu cooks getting immediately shot down
covert kestrel
maybe this is our punishment
outlaw players have too big of schmeat so we need to be cucked by the worst ability of all time
late swallow
my king ❤️
runic bough
covert kestrel
glass mortar
whys every aspect of this spec gotta have some form of variance
covert kestrel
Ryu is just a guy
glass mortar
FF adds no gameplay to the spec
covert kestrel
a fella
glass mortar
give us passive gen
runic bough
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/chill-dude-chill-dude-im-just-a-chill-dude-just-a-chill-d...
him walking away to fel hammer and leaving us in the dust 
late swallow
runic bough
Bro
runic bough
They don't even talk in fel hammer
gaunt phoenix
runic bough
vivid vessel
covert kestrel
They don't even talk in fel hammer
they're being mean to OUR KING??!?!??!?!? FUCK THOSE EDGELORDS
vivid vessel
wtf happened with my energy here
and then i just lose adr fro free
cause my gcd
is
10 min long
because im out of energy inside adr ??
runic bough
they're being mean to OUR KING??!?!??!?!? FUCK THOSE EDGELORDS
Yeah they don't talk and when they do it's just nonsense
Maybe 1-2 ppl actually are helpful
Outlaw is hands down the best spec to learn because of how helpful people are in here
glass mortar
maybe ur experiencing a bit of the gcd lags things in that room zac idk
sprocket room is just cursed
vivid vessel
no im not
glass mortar
but yes welcome to me for all of sprocket
every pull felt like that
no energy with 4 buffs and AR up
cant even press SS
god forbid u ever need to cast it more then 2 times in a row
its so over
just bad luck on the few pulls we had before kill i guess
hollow temple
they're being mean to OUR KING??!?!??!?!? FUCK THOSE EDGELORDS
careful 💀
glass mortar
intermission is also cursed because u are 100% losing AAs during it to avoid hitting the other team
and ur energy gen is directly tied into ur AAs
vivid vessel
intermission is also cursed because u are 100% losing AAs during it to avoid hit...
i think thats whats happening actually
you know how im from the side
maybe im not meleeing
merry harness
U can check the log
glass mortar
mhm
runic bough
That reminds me
I need to activate the melee range wa
Its not active outside my rogue
viral bison
how do i get healing with killing spree?
vivid vessel
you die from it
runic bough
Zac made a WA that types Pray I get healed after using ks.
bright crane
glass mortar
how do i get healing with killing spree?
details and logs read the stagger of taking damage during kspree as healing
viral bison
details and logs read the stagger of taking damage during kspree as healing
AHHHH
so i should KMS with KS to get healing log
got it
glass mortar
yeup
runic bough
jolly geyser
sus redbull
jolly geyser
upbeat tundra
I have the ultimate aoe cook
hit the letter N on your keyboard click activate under where it says "assassination"
runic bough
Outlaw AOE dreams
1. Bladeflurry now softcapped to 20 targets.
2. GSW moved up to middle tree so it can always be picked. GSW now makes pistol shot a finisher and increases damage by xx%. (Combine with supercharger holy)
3. Mastery now gives chance to proc BladeRush and increases its damage.
3 aoe additions
GSW ultimately can have bte dmg so we could use it while adr is on cd.
Could make it even better, gsw could also apply crackshot
Crackshot to bte and ps
upbeat tundra
Outlaw AOE dreams
***1. Bladeflurry now softcapped to 20 targets.
2. GSW moved ...
pc baseline
jolly geyser
remove gs
balmy lake
My raidlead won't let me play Outlaw on Sprocketmonger 😦
merry harness
My raidlead won't let me play Outlaw on Sprocketmonger 😦
Stage a coup
cinder haven
a coup de grace
jolly geyser
a dispatch of rl
sour vault
did something change? I feel like I'm getting way more 2 rtb buffs than last week (playing HO/trickster)
glass mortar
Nope just bad luck
sour vault
dang
patent mirage
i have a better suggestion for ps and gsw , gsw could make ps shots richochette when they crit
or take the simple way and lets gsw stack
tropic zephyr
My raidlead won't let me play Outlaw on Sprocketmonger 😦
Don't listen to him
sour vault
show himwhos boss
red zinc
Nope just bad luck
I feel like something might;ve happened to proc rates accidentally
not with outlaw specifically
but hearing a lot of weird shit from people about not proccing
and with lizzards track record, i wouldnt be surprised
olive flax
The bad luck just stands out because of how much negative feed back it creates
We remember the pulls where we roll 1 buff 4 times in a row a lot more
light dune
was this AR rule always the case where you just send it off cd wasn't it at one point you save AR reapplications for subterfuge? did that change sometime?
sour vault
pretty sure its always been the case
you save subterfuge for AR, not the other way around
gaunt phoenix
was this AR rule always the case where you just send it off cd wasn't it at one ...
It used to be holding recasting AR for Subterfuge but its no biggie now
You can do that if you want but I dont think its expected to change dps
simple is better 
balmy lake
Don't listen to him
I argued Outlaw has the most st dmg of any rogue spec, he doesn't care 😦
light dune
It used to be holding recasting AR for Subterfuge but its no biggie now
Ok interesting what was the logic for recasting AR in subterfuge windows initially? We had more dmg in crackshot / less CDR in general?
runic bough
GSW turns PS to a finisher?
The idea is to have a pistol shot with bte damage for 3 shot bursts for aoe. Since gsw is a proc, it could be saved for aoe. Also since it becomes a finisher, we could then use it with supercharger to modify it ever further.
Mmm nice aoe cook right
glass mortar
No
runic bough
glass mortar
How was KS zac
vivid vessel
horrible
gaunt phoenix
Ok interesting what was the logic for recasting AR in subterfuge windows initial...
i think it was for fatebound before they changed AR to fire coins on cast
but idk it was just something that was retested for the tier and seemed to not matter with the latest builds
glass mortar
Massive ho ring
vivid vessel
next week we get haste vers
vivid vessel
actually
runic bough
Only way
runic bough
Oh ye
desert tendon
what is that low haste
vivid vessel
ok fixed
desert tendon
wtf zac
vivid vessel
ez
desert tendon
are u doing
cinder relic
The idea is to have a pistol shot with bte damage for 3 shot bursts for aoe. Sin...
So the spec is just spam SS, no more PS?
runic bough
No we get ss procs still
sullen surge
Hey guys, just start playing rogue again this season and i wanna play it outlaw, any recomended talent builds from a website? currently checking wowhead talents
glass yew
Hey guys, just start playing rogue again this season and i wanna play it outlaw,...
Our FAQ is best.
sullen surge
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276306860126900315
tyty, appreciate it
gaunt phoenix
Hey guys, just start playing rogue again this season and i wanna play it outlaw,...
That is the standard build for keys, though you can choose between ghostly strike and precise cuts
sullen surge
ok cool, ill keep it in mind , ty
gaunt phoenix
GS is prob preferred for higher keys anyway
debated which one to recommend by default
sullen surge
ok ty, and btw when do we ues killing spree?
manic kestrel
do you all find assa rogue and outlaw have competitive dps or is there a clear winner?
gaunt phoenix
its the highest priority finisher but not inside stealth
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble how did you cope with dps stop on mugzee
gaunt phoenix
if you are not at risk of losing adrenaline rush then it is higher priority than vanish itself
vivid vessel
im about to throw my keyboard through the window
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> how did you cope with dps stop on mugzee
Time ar appropriately and spam ps/rtb/snd for 6 supercharge
Other than that it’s just hell
And I hate damage stop bosses
sullen wyvern
GS is prob preferred for higher keys anyway
I only play PC on TOP and remove CTO
rest I remove PC and run CTO + GS
gaunt phoenix
Removing cto is a bit gamba but it is an option
sullen wyvern
I dont like removing GS, specially on TOP where you need a lot of ST damage
I thinkm ill just wont run PC at all anymore
I run PC mainly for the first boss
gaunt phoenix
CTO vs GS single target shouldnt be too different like 4% apart
sullen wyvern
I feel CTO helps you a lot on your lows
gaunt phoenix
yerp
vivid vessel
Time ar appropriately and spam ps/rtb/snd for 6 supercharge
ye idk this boss is trash as outlaw
i have been gamling the ks during intermission tho
been working nice
if i ever get stunned
desert tendon
runic bough
Censi are you NA or EU
fathom bramble
ye idk this boss is trash as outlaw
Can’t believe people are still holding dps on farm
runic bough
We need to find 2 outlaws on NA to play with wox
proven ocean
<@185854083964469249>
WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
trail galleon
!up
ornate heathBOT
prisma mango
i may go back to fatebound just so I don't have to look at it anymore
remote pecan
skill issue 😄 you had time to cloak there 
fathom bramble
That was an instant death from the beam hitting through stagger not a stagger death
No cloak time
proven ocean
@lone crow https://www.twitch.tv/crimsxx/clip/ArtisticChillyNigiriM4xHeh-SK8GuqTbzb3v3A9X LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
CRIMS
WAS GETTING MAD
CUZ NO BEAM
I WROTE IN CHAT
BEAM = AGGRO TO TANK 
then says
"aggro was not an issue"
OH
it was an issue
desert tendon
it was not an issue
proven ocean
desert tendon
it was a issue
but not an issue
it was
what it was
but an issue
but as it was an issue
proven ocean
vivid vessel
That was an instant death from the beam hitting through stagger not a stagger de...
idk
i think its a stagger bug
you know
last tick
hidden mauve
13 priory, missed by 8s. Does any damage here look terribly off?
vivid vessel
I love killing spree
split lintel
is trickster kir or ho better for m+?
sharp sand
13 priory, missed by 8s. Does any damage here look terribly off?
You’re pro , mirin
late swallow
13 priory, missed by 8s. Does any damage here look terribly off?
bro wtf! all outlaw damage is just blade flurry!
you just press one button and it does all your damage!
hidden mauve
lol yep that's it
lethal sierra
Surprised you got into a priory as outlaw(unless its your key or pre-made). Most just see outlaw's "imba depz" on 1st big pull and go omgez rogue trolling us, ktnxbye! 🤣
hidden mauve
it was with my normal group. Dps was a boomy and a ret and they just smoked me
fathom bramble
i think its a stagger bug
Yeah that’s what I meant. It’s just the last ks hop not having stagger
honest sparrow
bro wtf! all outlaw damage is just blade flurry!
Had a guilde saying outlaw is easy the opener is just 3 globals or so was quite fun to see him playing it then
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble @glass mortar @daring oxide https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7HDV0GTWF_cAjZj1DhbLPjKqKUk_RkZ7?si=J9L3T_iO-wxFsR63 thought on this ks
would you guys have sent
lone crow
frail veldt
is trickster kir or ho better for m+?
pretty much the same
glass mortar
Gigachad
craggy barn
i havent verified this yet, but where does ks send u back to if u ks mid grapple
vivid vessel
i played outlaw on reclear
this spec is terriblwe
@fathom bramble
so
ks on last boss
did you try yet
runic bough
Arcane fun?
glass mortar
i havent verified this yet, but where does ks send u back to if u ks mid grapple
where u were when the first teleport went off
silk stirrup
Hey guys, I keep hearing KiR is so much more difficult than HO, but when I check the APL it's basically the same but KiR at 4+ buffs, and obv excluding Ambush stuff. Am I missing something?
glass mortar
its builder rules are more complicated and more punishing
alot of the builder rules for HO dont make huge dps differences so u can mess up ur builder priority honestly fairly often and still be fine
as HO kinda just everything gives u tons of CP and u end up overcapping even
KiR has less resources to work with
round dragon
Why do we still run supercharger with KiR? I feel like it sees less use with less roll the bones happening
glass mortar
what else would u run
supercharger is a stronger node then anything else u can pick in the class tree
u gunna run cold blood?
:p
glass mortar
CB is worthless
lethality is ok
not close to supercharger tho
and u still roll fairly often
median herald
22% clean
glass mortar
that is probably too much then yea
but not by a huge amount
and haste doesnt fall off a cliff after 19% for supercharger ho builds like it does for kir
glass mortar
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxmdFuGcSP7aCnZZ7n9Mzdtl_A-G2XsQlf?si=sDaDzBRrIBuvI1q...
xd dont u love how even tho his full hitbox is available u still teleport to this random bumblefuck position for kspree
round dragon
CB is worthless
Would be nice if it applied to the entirety of KS but yeah, I see your point
jolly geyser
cb for 5 sec
silk stirrup
its builder rules are more complicated and more punishing
spam SS unless opportunity procs at these combo points?
Or again am I missing something
glass mortar
yes the rules are basically dont overcap CP
silk stirrup
This is from the wowhead guide
glass mortar
and failing that rule is very punishing
as HO u can basically turn off ur CP bar pre 5 CP
u dont need it to play
that makes it much easier
compact cave
Do any of the weak aura packs that y'all use track the amount of globals filled during the subterfuge window? From what I understand, zac's has a bar and sound for the window's duration. But as a new/learning Outlaw, it would be nice to know if I had a good vs bad window. Thank you.
glass mortar
i dont think any packs have that, no
compact cave
Ok thank you Weran
silk stirrup
yes the rules are basically dont overcap CP
That just sounds straight up more boring
glass mortar
huh
silk stirrup
Having less resources
glass mortar
you actually need to pay more attention to ur resources because using ur builders in ways that overcap will lead u to run out vs everything drowns u in resources so it doesnt really matter
thats a weird way to look at it
both builds have enough resources
one of them just punishes u way harder for mistakes
because it only has enough
vivid vessel
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxW2uYDwfctq0o3qb3i58DPg8nd7nEimTE?si=oSiuUI1iE-7oEyuQ anchor point
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxZNQxDwiG8Pa0sS-E37dcU_XgAfdrfh2X?si=hKl6-Vc7aYydwdQe anchor point updating 3 times during ks
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9Sp97t_03G1anMKzOCJIiJenNNMyU6uz?si=vSYUyx0AofG8O3v7 ks during p1 intermission
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxp15PYcFItYateAjlbKD0pggHpB028Ur1?si=3-TFZB0EaqsrEjl2 ks stun
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxmdFuGcSP7aCnZZ7n9Mzdtl_A-G2XsQlf?si=sDaDzBRrIBuvI1q4 ks stun
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxl0Q05Ry2PPYfNwIVc7xnVfs0pif-dSFr?si=oxXJ3x2pPwn5acot ks anchor update
@fathom bramble so, i think i understand, its a boss with static anchor point anchored on his back, and it updated cause the boss moves, also you get stunned from the orbs, and in p1 you can ks
glass mortar
ye its not like kir is slower or doesnt press finishers as often, it just cant afford to make mistakes with its builders like HO can
because it has a much lower margin for efficiency
especially ST where deft cant bail u out
as HO in a crackshot window there almost isnt any bad buttons to press
late swallow
glass mortar
ambush is gunna give u tons of CP, PS gives u tons of CP
late swallow
darkfuse rep farmers in shambles
glass mortar
yafeel
vivid vessel
spam SS unless opportunity procs at these combo points?
"spam ss"
i think you are a bit misunderstanding
what these rules imply really
glass mortar
its ok i think i cleared it up
vivid vessel
in the end it just means you hold your ps sometimes to send them at better times
youi dont overcap them so you still spend as much time pressing ps
than any other build
and you definitly dont just spam ss
late swallow
if u guys were in the severance universe would you get severed
late swallow
what would you make your innie do?
late swallow
perma goon innie?
glass mortar
farm darkrep mog
vivid vessel
he could work in the mines for all i care
silk stirrup
Yeah I mean, it's different. I guess I just has this super mystified view that KiR was this 3000 IQ spec impossible to play, but it's just different rules on generators
glass mortar
all of outlaw is hard to play
vivid vessel
well its just way harder
glass mortar
in its very fast and very reactionary
so u will make mistakes
kir just punishes all those mistakes much harder
late swallow
i just want to marry Helly R. so bad it's unreal
frail veldt
Yeah I mean, it's different. I guess I just has this super mystified view that K...
if KiR doesnt feel harder than HO its probably because youre missing a lot of things lol
glass mortar
plus u add another layer of minmaxing ontop with KiR usage and the reroll after kir rules
vivid vessel
i mean ho can afford sending random builders at random cp
frail veldt
esp KiR 1pt fth trickster
glass mortar
which arent super hard, but they are additional things u need to track
while being more careful with ur builders
frail veldt
that feels like at least 50% harder than HO trickster
glass mortar
which HO doesnt have any of
vivid vessel
look
frail veldt
and like twice as hard as fatebound of either spec
vivid vessel
all im gonna say right
is that
when kir is ahead of ho
outlaw does 0 damage in raid
and when ho is ahead
outlaw does damage
frail veldt
outlaw does damage rn?
vivid vessel
thats all im gonna say
vivid vessel
ye if you look at the charts mewo
frail veldt
outlaw did 0 damage last season in raid?
glass mortar
u look at logs theres a reason its all HO
vivid vessel
just look at the charts
anyway
i
killing spree
is banned
my raid leader had a crash out on me
frail veldt
I feel like outlaw is mid on all fights except stix
vivid vessel
on that killing spree death
frail veldt
looking at the logs rn
glass mortar
wait which death
vivid vessel
the one i sent earlier
glass mortar
zac do u not play with raid coms on
flat needle
Hi outlaw pros i have a question, do i need to swift some stats?
I got
Crit 5.271
Haste 12.692
Mastery 1.889
Vers 20.784
vivid vessel
no
glass mortar
or do u make it so ur stream doesnt pick it up
vivid vessel
no ye the stream doesnt pick it up
late swallow
we need zac voice on stream
vivid vessel
anyway
glass mortar
howd u do that
late swallow
I really want to hear you bro
glass mortar
gunned down like a degenerate killing spreeing outlaw in the streets
vivid vessel
altouhg i think the dot would have blasted my ass
cause it does seem to do damage
a lil bit
glass mortar
330M DAMAGE BROTHER
U TOUCHED THAT BEAM LIKE 3 TIMES
probably had 1b stagger dot on u
frail veldt
zac are you fried? Mythic logs show
Vexxie outlaw is 6th,
Cauldron: 16th
Rik: 7th
Stix: 1st
Sprocket: 12th
OAB: 4th
Mug: 14th
glass mortar
330m would do what
vivid vessel
i never see people do damage as outlaw
frail veldt
true
glass mortar
1.5 weeks ago
vivid vessel
other than when its ho
right
do you agree or
now any random is doing 5 mil overall in m+
frail veldt
honestly I would put HO trickster similar to KiR fatebound lowkey
if you consider trying to live with KS
as difficulty
which it is
vivid vessel
@glass mortar you use obs right
glass mortar
yeye
late swallow
zac are you fried? Mythic logs show
Vexxie outlaw is 6th,
Cauldron: 16th
Rik: 7t...
aren't these rankings a little outdated
late swallow
most data is probably pre coup bug fix
frail veldt
aren't these rankings a little outdated
theyre from literally right now
glass mortar
most of the data is from outlaws best bosses of the tier
frail veldt
past 2 weeks of data
frail veldt
yeah outlaw on stix/sprocket is inflating its performance
glass mortar
also most logs r from pre coup bug because people havent aquired the gear to do more dps then they could do with coup bug
xd
that bug was like 10 ilvl
frail veldt
lolol
glass mortar
its an 80 because theres probably 10 outlaw kills on that boss
vivid vessel
btw
jolly geyser
any upgrades from raid zac boi?
vivid vessel
im destroying gallywix
jolly geyser
tasty,gz man
glass mortar
vivid vessel
im using this thing right
jolly geyser
I like the luck thing on the ring also,special jump animation 100%
vivid vessel
ye that looks like obs
quaint wharf
yo thats nasty
glass mortar
oh i see
quaint wharf
gz
glass mortar
yaya
u have to add it in
i didnt realize the sources was for more then just video stuff
jolly geyser
you got mount from gally?
prisma mango
do yall think blizz knows how much a meme KS is? is there hope?
jolly geyser
ah no worries
vivid vessel
i farmed the coat tho
sullen wyvern
ks is such a fun spell guys hehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehe
jolly geyser
ye ks bad
sullen wyvern
like how od you even do floodgate
yeah i know hold ks or throw it 1 cp
2cp
but fuck man
sullen wyvern
its so annoying having to condition your shit so much because we have to use such a shit spell inb our rotation
vivid vessel
i kinda figured out flood
prisma mango
you have to hold KS a lot of the times you'd cast it which totally just throws the benefit the sims show out the window
vivid vessel
its just hard
quaint wharf
zac did u finish full reclear?
prisma mango
functionally I believe FB KIR performs better
vivid vessel
zac did u finish full reclear?
no
glass mortar
floodgate isnt hard
vivid vessel
we didnt kjill gally
glass mortar
tell ur teammates not to fight it
vivid vessel
but like
quaint wharf
rip
glass mortar
if they do its on them
vivid vessel
easy boss so its fine
quaint wharf
no capo
vivid vessel
we kill on sunday
glass mortar
just accept the yank
vivid vessel
no ye no capo dropped
quaint wharf
sullen wyvern
died first boss cuz when I landed after KS the line from the adds put me in 1% hp then some other add finished me
it's so annoying
glass mortar
well like
u can position kspree right
u shouldnt ever really die to where u arrive
because its the same place u started
if u take damage during it u might need to cloak but not landing
sullen wyvern
since they do those lines randomly, it was bad luck honestly. I used full CP ks with supercharger and the add instantly casted his line shit, I landed on it as soon as it was over
glass mortar
i just make sure im always away from everyone elkse when i send kspree on that fight
so its very unlikely itll fly over me
vivid vessel
ye ks is a lot of prepositionning
im perma thinking 3s ahead
where things will be
and i move
based on that
it takes a while
but once you get there
you can kinda send ks on cd
cloak the bad hits
stuffs like that
frail veldt
what is the activation range on ks
jolly geyser
and pray
frail veldt
feels like 10 yards?
frail veldt
ye same
frail veldt
run to safety then ks then get tped back to safety
glass mortar
ye u can do it from out of melee
vivid vessel
how much is that on stagger
glass mortar
quite often i run out of melee to use it if i know theres gunna be poopoo on the floor shortly
frail veldt
jeez
glass mortar
or highly likely to be
vivid vessel
wait is that reduced by 80%
its not right
like even tho cheat procced
its not like
giving me dr on that or
unique nebula
Hello, which build is recommended for m+ now ?
gaunt phoenix
Hello, which build is recommended for m+ now ?
HO Supercharger
glass mortar
yes
vivid vessel
do i die from that trough cheat or not weran
vivid vessel
trought cheat ?
glass mortar
i honestly dont know if cheat saves u from kspree ticks?
vivid vessel
ye it does
glass mortar
they usually use the term "massive damage" for these thingies
glass mortar
but its inconsitent
proven ocean
also
unique nebula
HO Supercharger
Thx 😄
vivid vessel
ye
i wish we could have that
like mages
rogue iconinc thing was cheat death
we cant even havbe that anymore
jolly geyser
cheesed raid stuff ig
sullen wyvern
I guess they wont do that cuz pvp
jolly geyser
just make it lower
sullen wyvern
upgrade your myth track stuff
glass mortar
i finished my last myth tier piece
jolly geyser
roll a dice
sullen wyvern
id say boots for main stat
jolly geyser
fits
vivid vessel
- boots i wanna wait a bit so i buy boe and save a few crests
sullen wyvern
i dont have gold so id upgrade boots
magic shuttle
Always interesting to read comments about rogue
jolly geyser
name right there
glass mortar
thats everyone
nobody really knows how this spec works
its filled with jank
but specs like this dont really exist
desert tendon
im perma thinking 3s ahead
yo you should try chess, you have to think multiple moves ahead also
glass mortar
turning 6m cds into sub 1m cds
vivid vessel
i thihnk i just craft hands
glass mortar
☠️
jolly geyser
maybe outlaw i stuck in ICC putricide lab since icc