But I forgot to poison for a full key 🥲
#outlaw
daring oxide
lavish geyser
👍🏼
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
tough flume
frank finch
what wa tells u that
vivid vessel
idk jsut type darkfuse lol
hidden bay
how the hell did you get invited as rogue tho
thats the question
who did you have to bribe
vivid vessel
rogue quite good for those actually
hidden bay
sub?
vivid vessel
you just afk at a spot and perma trick
2 rogue is best comp
one left one right
es
z
hidden bay
did they confirm that darkfuse rep wont be buffed next week?
bronze bough
If i have a coup de grace proc and KS is off CD do i send KS first or coup de grace first?
late swallow
If i have a coup de grace proc and KS is off CD do i send KS first or coup de gr...
KS prio
unborn moon
Is outlaw still a chaotic high apm spec?
I’m always spooked I hit the wrong button because it’s so fastttt
subtle field
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/98YtQnpLCyMzqDZf?fight=8&type=damage-done could anyone tell me what I did wrong here?
hidden bay
Is outlaw still a chaotic high apm spec?
comparing to when?
unborn moon
I guess SL?
unborn moon
Would you say it’s the best cleave spec for rogue?
bronze bough
Also with the deft bug, i am starting to question if it's even worth playing KiR anymore, when HO is simming higher and easier to play xD
tough trellis
why does vanish sometimes not put me in stealth what the fuck
gaunt phoenix
ur breaking it with a trinket
tough trellis
fuck
vivid vessel
im old
vivid vessel
dont macro it into bte
bronze bough
Zac are you still sticking to KiR?
tough trellis
i dropped AR like twice on this key bcuz i fucked up my stealth window
vivid vessel
dont press trinkets from vanish
vivid vessel
Zac are you still sticking to KiR?
yes
tough trellis
i see i see
vivid vessel
ho is for coppers
tough trellis
ho is for coppers
vivid vessel
ho is for noobs that cant play kir
tough trellis
i mean
quasi notch
Whats the lowest CP you guys send Coup on?
gaunt phoenix
you can send at 1cp if you would otherwise have to press ss
bronze bough
If i can only build with SS then i send the coup
quasi notch
ty
tough trellis
ho is for noobs that cant play kir
you play kir in keys? i find most pugs pulling speed and random RP is so bad for kir
desert tendon
people dont really care about classes on this farm specially. So many people wanna farm / make groups
rogue so good with 1h trick also 
that s our niche now
quasi notch
But i should prio KS over Coup if possible
gaunt phoenix
if they are both ready yea
vivid vessel
you play kir in keys? i find most pugs pulling speed and random RP is so bad for...
i play kir everywhere
wont catch me playing ho
gaunt phoenix
what does?
vivid vessel
till its 10% ahead
tough trellis
the amount of times i roll 1 buff is enough to deter me from playing kir
lavish geyser
Is precise cuts ever worth using, like on a council fight or whatever?
gaunt phoenix
idk if you are progging on bandit and accept the negative boss dmg
lavish geyser
Ok, I imagine the adds need to have a fairly high uptime relative to the fight to gain value over the lost ST?
frail veldt
PC is worth it on stix
but mostly for pad
you will def blast with PC on that fight though
glass mortar
It gets worse the better ur other dps are but yea
Any fight its good on its pad cmm
frail veldt
but adds need to die lul
glass mortar
It'll defibitly be a dps gain on a few fights this seasons
proven ocean
frail veldt
you gottem
gaunt phoenix
lmfao
frail veldt
nice one zeross
desert tendon
toxic zero
bronze bough
Question about reroll rules for KiR
The 2 blue buffs are below 10 secs, but by rerolling now i would lose 4 buffs - My question is, assuming i don't have KiR ready, should i press RTB in this situation?
fluid meadow
new gamble game?is this true?
gaunt phoenix
Question about reroll rules for KiR
The 2 blue buffs are below 10 secs, but by r...
The written rule is that if you will lose 3-4 buffs, then wait until they are all below ~10s before rolling, so no you would keep them
frail veldt
The written rule is that if you will lose 3-4 buffs, then wait until they are al...
I thought KiR only rolled if you will lose 0-2?
gaunt phoenix
but the 10 second rule is a little bit flexible, so it's not the biggest deal to roll there
bronze bough
The written rule is that if you will lose 3-4 buffs, then wait until they are al...
So i would wait out the blue buffs and then RTB?
gaunt phoenix
So i would wait out the blue buffs and then RTB?
Yes
desert tendon
it s starting zac
bronze bough
And if ALL the buffs would be around 10 sec i will RTB aswell?
gaunt phoenix
beyond the written rules I would personally avoid rolling over 
like that
neon fable
which rogue spec is considered the strongest m+ spec?
frail veldt
which rogue spec is considered the strongest m+ spec?
prob assa
desert tendon
probably arcane rogue
frail veldt
all 3 specs arent considered that strong atm
bronze bough
beyond the written rules I would personally avoid rolling over <:rtb_rp:11364018...
It honestly feels bad having 5-6 buffs rolling and reroll them even at sub 10 sec left
frail veldt
but in high keys assa is prob the most "viable"
frail veldt
It honestly feels bad having 5-6 buffs rolling and reroll them even at sub 10 se...
you wouldnt
I think the 10s rule is for 3-4 buffs
not for 5-6
proven ocean
assa is worse than sub if ur playing master assassin on all keys
gaunt phoenix
It honestly feels bad having 5-6 buffs rolling and reroll them even at sub 10 se...
you dont roll at 5-6 though. only 3-4
proven ocean
assa is worse than sub if ur playing master assassin on all keys
high keys that is
gaunt phoenix
5-6 you would let them expire
neon fable
@mewo what makes assa stand out over the rest in high keys
proven ocean
u need to play supercharger for most higher keys
bronze bough
you dont roll at 5-6 though. only 3-4
Then i've been doing it wrong haha tyty!
proven ocean
otherwise sin is dogshit
frail veldt
@mewo what makes assa stand out over the rest in high keys
better uncapped aoe and funnel
ebon reef
what button would you macro your tempered potions to?
gaunt phoenix
nothing just hit em
ebon reef
manually pressing it feels illegal
gaunt phoenix
you can macro gs
cinder haven
5-6 you would let them expire
Isn’t it 3-4 to lose? So can be 5 total?
Idk that rule is weird
gaunt phoenix
will lose ye
idk just roll 5 buff and nothing feels strange
the 17% chance to just get a 5 buff is kind of strange
its fun but, it should stay in this tier
dawn talon
it was a cool experiment
gaunt phoenix
its 17
vivid vessel
17 is 5 buff
dawn talon
i think
gaunt phoenix
yeah
thorn river
is it just me or does the wowhead talent links not work for outlaw ?
gaunt phoenix
it could, talent links tend to break
cinder relic
where?
gaunt phoenix
Should be the same builds as the #outlaw-faq more or less
thorn river
if i copy its weird, and preview just doenst work
gaunt phoenix
but what page/link specifically
gaunt phoenix
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/outlaw/liberation-of-undermine-raid-...
you probably want to use trickster on pretty much all of these fights, at least on heroic
Only sprocket is raw single target
trickster strongly takes over as soon as any AoE enters the picture
quasi notch
@vivid vessel Im using ur outlaw WA and i think its nice but sometimes when i start flying i get airhorn blasted in the ears for some reason?
gaunt phoenix
lmao
cinder relic
I genuinly don't understand why the builds don't copy properly
light dune
MA sin ur gonna deplete alot of keys
what's your assa build for high keys?
vivid vessel
dont think thats me xd
cinder relic
[=talent-build-5187]
for some reason all my buttons do this
and whisyprs link the actual build code
vivid vessel
im so close 
proven ocean
what's your assa build for high keys?
vivid vessel
noob build
proven ocean
however i think people find it hard to play
but
i just find it super easy personally
bronze bough
Can it really be true, that night elf sims higher than dwarf? Feels like most people said that dwarf sims higher?
vivid vessel
well nightelf manage to use the nighelf ability
most people cant do it ingame
its bugged as shit
idk
- night elf doesnt work on bosses
and in raid
thorn river
you probably want to use trickster on pretty much all of these fights, at least ...
yeah but where to check the talents or copy etc, just came back after a break so no clue atm
proven ocean
most people cant do it ingame
well most is a strong word
i think everyone cant use it
literally nobody
you'll get few of them off
but thats about it
bronze bough
and in raid
I don't really raid, but true, on bosses you can't - but in practice dwarf will outperform nelf then?
proven ocean
easily
vivid vessel
I don't really raid, but true, on bosses you can't - but in practice dwarf will ...
ye + dwarf thingy is good
bronze bough
Can you dwarf KS debuff off?
glass mortar
Dwarf is everything but magic isn't it
bronze bough
RIP - Maybe i go dwarf anyway then for the minmax though it is nice when you get a meld off to help keep AR running
strong cargo
Dwarf is everything but magic isn't it
dwarf is every dispellable debuff + bleeds
glass mortar
Actually KS debuff isn't even magic dispellable it's just cloak removable
gaunt phoenix
none of this compares to goblin drip
vivid vessel
except that meld works half the time and you have to do 360s to get it off
is night elf horde or alliance
hidden bay
why you not like the new bleed build?
bronze bough
How long does it take to race change do i have to wait 1hr?
desert tendon
can take 5mn at most
thorn river
Only sprocket is raw single target
what talents u take on sprocket then ?
runic bough
I've race changed a lot
late swallow
ryu the goat how are you king
cinder relic
Ok I fixed the raid page
turbid verge
Hey guys! I recently started playing Outlaw again — last time was during Shadowlands. I have a question: The Outlaw spec feels extremely laggy. It's nothing like Assassination or other classes. Is that normal? Is there maybe some kind of delay with Outlaw? I feel like the spells don’t go off immediately and there are occasional input lags.
vivid vessel
this seems more accurate
idk if you can play fb on mug
runic bough
Yo somni I just got fucked by the IRS, good otherwise. How r u bro
vivid vessel
all the coin damage thing split on the imune mobs and bombs
its mega toxic 0 damage
late swallow
Yo somni I just got fucked by the IRS, good otherwise. How r u bro
damn I'm sorry to hear that king, I hope everything is alright
late swallow
i'm good bro just eating some lunch and looking forward to my sick ass bike ride home later
runic bough
Nice what do you ride
vivid vessel
@fathom bramble what you doing on mug
late swallow
Nice what do you ride
i have a scott addict bicycle
vivid vessel
he did fb
fathom bramble
<@101843879791177728> what you doing on mug
I played fatebound and died in the last phase
vivid vessel
huge
runic bough
Nice be safe
fathom bramble
Fatebound is so bad for the fight
runic bough
Don't know what kind of bike that is
fathom bramble
Mugzee is just doomed and you probably want to go ks
vivid vessel
prolly if you position yourself properly
runic bough
Imagine ks lands on a shooting side
vivid vessel
it doesnt do much damage
and i doubt you even get hit much
you cna tank like 2 hits natty sometimes
fathom bramble
While mines are out fatebound loses a shitton of dps anyway
And then you lose a lot when near a 99% reduced damage taken add
Wouldn’t surprise me if gaols count as nearby enemies through the walls too
craggy barn
im so close <:ReallyMad:930908505890770954>
why are u farming i thought u only keyed and raided
late swallow
wdym? outlaw is op?
fathom bramble
The only thing that can justify fatebound is that p1 damage doesn’t matter that much
And fatebound is probably better in intermission
vivid vessel
yopu bottom dps in p2 anyway
desert tendon
gogogogo zac
vivid vessel
fathom bramble
On our kill yeah
late swallow
outlaw has probably the best execute in the game (playing it makes you want to execute yourself)
runic bough
fathom bramble
I was doing okay on some of our close wipes, but you could just play sin and have the easiest top 3 last phase dps of your life
runic bough
Guys was it ever discussed what this garf sit actually means
Or it's like an expression
random stirrup
tropic zephyr
runic bough
craggy barn
random stirrup
f
tropic zephyr
f
desert tendon
covert kestrel
runic bough
f
vivid vessel
I was doing okay on some of our close wipes, but you could just play sin and hav...
i litteraly press my 2min then go afk and top p2/3
spec so easy fr
desert tendon
me when i see rogue being mentionnened for diablo build in the wow patch note
fathom bramble
Always has been
desert tendon
vivid vessel
Always has been
nah bro
i think you dont know
how easy assa is rn
i dont think it ever was that easy
its wild
runic bough
But is it fun?
late swallow
assa is a certified snoozer spec atm
fathom bramble
Idk I come from a time where pooling was a 1.6% gain and all you did was toxic blade/vendetta on cd
vivid vessel
But is it fun?
no 
late swallow
you legit have like 2-3 gcds between abilities sometimes
runic bough
vivid vessel
Idk I come from a time where pooling was a 1.6% gain and all you did was toxic b...
pooling isnt even a gain anymore lok
so you do nothing
fathom bramble
Nice
hidden bay
assa feels like something youd play in cata
vivid vessel
you press one builder overt and over
you never vanish
you just press dm kb on cd
hold the shiv for these
late swallow
assa is legit pure vibes
vivid vessel
there is litteraly one minmax
rest is just spamming one builder and one finisher
its crazy to me
runic bough
hidden bay
you legit have like 2-3 gcds between abilities sometimes
thats generous
i feel like i spend way more than than
hidden bay
2 globals is 2 seconds
surely you wait more idk
maybe it just feels longer cuz nothing is happening
late swallow
is enhance back?
hidden bay
<@1172550924519080006> priory 16 19mn
storm?
desert tendon
not gonna talk about its single target damage
late swallow
why don't my weekly 10s look like that!!!!!
vagrant saddle
is mugzee trinket really good?
runic bough
Damn
stable furnace
is mugzee trinket really good?
Yes
runic bough
I'm only doing 2mil as havoc
daring oxide
priory 10 13mn
wtf
red zinc
priory 10 13mn
isnt demo just kinda instant damage though
so they heavily benefit from low keys
vivid vessel
i doubt their damage look very ridfferent in high keys lol
desert tendon
looks like sub rogue but higher bursts,higher lows
lime lake
ok i was about to say
how do you even have lower lows
lmao
i for one welcome our caster overlords
proven ocean
priory's about to drop in completion rates people and peoplement
jjust a matter of time till blizzard realizes its overtuned af
and 1st boss jump fucks all cloths/leather classes
and trash explosion does too much in last area
runic bough
I would have rolled enh but I wanted to tank too
proven ocean
why you not like the new bleed build?
i like it, i just dont play it because its worse
vivid vessel
and trash explosion does too much in last area
you mean the mobs dying or what
vivid vessel
you know you stun them and it doesnt do damage right
proven ocean
ik
vivid vessel
same with lightspawn cast when they die needs to be 1-2 seconds longer
ye
that shit is cringe
proven ocean
still should get nerfed
and
last mini boss is hard too
remove 1 mage from the patroling pack
replace it with a footman
cringe pull
vivid vessel
replace it with a footman
i will put a foot in your ass man
vivid vessel
they are casters
not sure if you noticed
but blizzard has a clear preference for casters in m+
and its not even close lol
runic bough
Casters doesn't mean blasters
bright crane
Dream the impossible dream
dense bridge
imo every melee spec shouldve had it
bright crane
They pretty much all did I thought
dense bridge
or make it a choice node to either give it for your attacks or extra range for your interrupt
runic bough
I want to pistol shoot during hook action
That's way beyond Blizzard dev coders tho
And only the outlaws in here probably have the apm for it
It would probably need to be a cosmetic ps lol
Well being about to bte also during hook
Would make sense as well
surreal gate
is there a bis gear list for ho/sc/killingspree trickster, or is it the same as the wowhead list. asking because it wants more haste, and the gear there is not as haste heavy.
olive ferry
but blizzard has a clear preference for casters in m+
Feels especially worse this season compared to prior ones
autumn kettle
For HO is there an alternative talent to KS that is nominally inferior, but saves me from ever having to use KS?
vivid vessel
he ded
gaunt phoenix
For HO is there an alternative talent to KS that is nominally inferior, but save...
Nope
the alternative is pressing KS at low cp
autumn kettle
even going Fatebound?
olive ferry
I think it’s always been caster focuses but idk this season with shit like oab rookery feels turbo shit. S3 of df didn’t feel that bad from what I can remember but that was a bit ago ig could be misremembering
glass mortar
Fatebound st ho can be ok
Like 3 to 4% behind depending on ur gear
Fatebound ho in aoe
gaunt phoenix
HO Fatebound is ... fine, but KIR Fatebound is preferred if going that route
but that's for raid. Fatebound is terrible in keys
glass mortar
autumn kettle
Yeah when mugzee points the finger at you I was mid-KS and I nearly wiped the raid
opal lily
Have you seen a rogue get a purple parse in healing?
surreal gate
so no word of a bis gear list then?
gaunt phoenix
well there is one but its wrong
glass mortar
Bis gear lists aren't real
gaunt phoenix
It should have pvp jewelry
glass mortar
Just sim ur gear
runic bough
Outlaw has become a spec that revolves around your haste gears.
And crit verse the rest
surreal gate
thanks!
gaunt phoenix
yea bis lists arent really a thing since item level is not fixed
other than the obvious slots like tier and weapon
certain trinkets
magic shuttle
please spare me from this gameplay experience
magic shuttle
ks the energy talent
runic bough
That's outlaws glorious 0% proc chance
gaunt phoenix
the only weird thing is outlaw especially likes the 658 pvp neck cause its the highest vers distribution you can get
raven socket
If it's not 100% then is a coin flip
runic bough
Is it really 50% though
runic bough
Often times people are ss for each cp
dense bolt
the only weird thing is outlaw especially likes the 658 pvp neck cause its the h...
You gonna rerun it all im guessing?
gaunt phoenix
rerun the bis profiles? naw i dont care enough
dense bolt
Yea i was confused aswell when looking at my own sims
runic bough
Vers is the only stat that effects outlaw basically
dense bolt
Im sitting at like 28% vers and 18% crit atm
And they used to be almost 50/50
or more crit
gaunt phoenix
it's legit trickster giving 10% crit
which is unironically like
an entire gear set worth of crit
raven socket
how much vrs does the pvp neck give ?
gaunt phoenix
raven socket
Holy fuck
gaunt phoenix
the ring is also good
dense bolt
have blizzard ever cared that people run pvp gear in m+ and done something about it
dense bolt
runic bough
Outlaw is the ignored spec so why should they care
Outlaw life
Outlaw is the only true to lore spec if you think about it
We get ignored by wow community and blizzard. We have bugs every season a new one comes in. They remove the bug and/or punish something positive again. It's like Outlaw is in jail.
dense bridge
have blizzard ever cared that people run pvp gear in m+ and done something about...
stuff like that only gets fixed when that class's dev actually sits down to play the game
see: ww monk
and doesnt balance via spreadsheet
see: arms/fury
dense bolt
Personally i think it shouldnt be a thing to run pvp items in pve content
Might just also be me that feels that way
and its better than 675/678
dense bridge
well the pvp gear isnt the issue, its more that there's just a cascade of design failures that brings us to this point
runic bough
Yeah that
cinder relic
have blizzard ever cared that people run pvp gear in m+ and done something about...
theres a handful of specs that do
and they have "done something about it"
fathom bramble
they have said in the past that they don't want the best gear for PvE to come from PvP
but they want players to be able to switch from PvP to PvE without farming entirely new gear
it's the reason why PvP gear has normal stats on it but is just lower ilvl outside of pvp content
fathom bramble
back when it was just a normal item you had PvP gear being bis in PvE very often for many specs so they fixed
or further back when all pvp gear had resillience on it you basically couldn't use PvP gear in PvE which is another problem
dense bolt
yea i started playing in dragonflight so havent really been around the block thats why i asked
but its seems kinda out of place
fathom bramble
yeah
dense bolt
Like its fine to run pvp gear in pve i dont mind but it being better than 675/678
fathom bramble
in general the current goal is basically to not have you use PvP gear in PvE except as a backup item
dense bolt
Is what feels not okay
fathom bramble
we are just the 1 spec in the game where our stats are so fucked that a primarily vers item can be this valuable
dense bridge
its mostly just there for you if you need a decent il upgrade on a fresh char that has at least 1 good stat on it
thats how i see it anyway
fathom bramble
yes
cinder relic
So for a spec like outlaw, and I think WW, pvp was your full bis
fathom bramble
I was very briefly the highest rating outlaw rogue that season lol
season 1 SL was a different time trying to get 2100 week 1
cinder relic
cuz raid didn't have a vers/crit weapon
SO ur option was pvp or be like, 500 dps behind or smthing
early on it was way more than 500 dps though 
fathom bramble
you also had to be the right covenant or it didn't sell a vers/crit weapon lol
only the sword was vers/crit
fathom bramble
but I think necrolord had an axe
lime lake
The covenant swapping shit was such an insane hill for blizzard to choose to die on
dense bridge
CAHM ON IAN PULL THA RIPCORD
fathom bramble
at least all 4 of our covs were so weak that you could basically pick any of them
within 2% because our strongest cov skill gave 2% 👌
buoyant ridge
I have a question I'm hoping one of y'all can point me to where to find an answer ..... at ilvl 660 my H Raid dps is about 1M .... where can I go to find out what I'm doing wrong (since wowanalyzer doesn't work anymore)
runic bough
Shadowlands is literally where you go when you die in WoW. They could have kept covenant power.
But every expansion they have to create new garbage
fathom bramble
I still think having 1 skill for each cov was a mistake
should have been 1 single skill that you unlocked and enhanced by engaging with all 4 covs over the course of the leveling and early max experience
too many classes had multiple cov skills that were extremely half baked or not interesting at all
runic bough
Not a bad idea
If only they didn't have AI creating all their shit
Creates loopholes in everything
wary wind
buoyant ridge
anyone ?
runic bough
They had a mass firing event. That was when AI was brought in.
fathom bramble
it's an unsubstantiated claim so
it also doesn't make much sense in the context of SL
fathom bramble
anyone ?
your only real option is to study the FAQ or get someone to manually review your log
buoyant ridge
ok, ty
glass mortar
If ur trying to parse Stix now a day, my suggestion is dont
Logs on that fight r so degen
ebon reef
i mean its heroic
glass mortar
Perma add cleave + instantly canceling ur roll turn
runic bough
Has anyone tried to ks right before the ball spawns on you?
fathom bramble
Has anyone tried to ks right before the ball spawns on you?
I did this on heroic and it just cancels KS
runic bough
Haha lame
fathom bramble
similar to Xav
ebon reef
its nice when RL tells you to move during KS
glass mortar
Lok u know what I realized when I recleared this week and was struggling to even appear on the meters while getting oranges on most fights
ebon reef
glass mortar
We aren't going to be even doing the same dps we were pre coup fix
Until like 675 ilvl
fathom bramble
yeah
ebon reef
outlaw sandbagging itself
fathom bramble
it's okay because we have like 2 outlaw rogues cranking the stats way up
fathom bramble
true
runic bough
outlaw sandbagging itself
Correction... blizzard sandbagging outlaw yet again.
fathom bramble
it's crazy how much we bounce up and down on the warcraftlogs stats
gaunt phoenix
Ryu all you do in here is type about blizzard
ebon reef
Ryu all you do in here is type about blizzard
hes not wrong tho
gaunt phoenix
Is it worth it
ebon reef
blizzard™️ is sandbagging it
dense bolt
Like from what i felt in nerubar is that you always were behind on the opener in raid but you eventually caught up at the end of the fight, but atm im never catching up
runic bough
Its hard to move on when you can't play your favorite spec
I wont mention blizzard anymore
I'll try to move on
real tulip
i am playing ele instead this tier
is a lot more damage for less effort
wanted to give my wrists a break from outlaw
raven socket
I wont mention blizzard anymore
What do you think about the frost mage spell AoE that maks ice fall down from the sky ?
runic bough
I think about the times I was outlaw and how I can't catch a mage without cloak.
raven socket
True
runic bough
sullen wyvern
what items do you think will be worth using the dinars for?
runic bough
Mugz fist and your bis trinket
fathom bramble
wiat, arent we getting only like 2 dinars?
not sure
we have basically no concrete info on dinars other than soon™
runic bough
It was said that dinars won't be in patch released on 22nd. So not any dinars this entire month.
sullen wyvern
Make sure it's the fist with dmg affix
This?
raven socket
Dude,i saw Mug'Zee knuckles basically every week from the beginning of the patch,i always fucking lost it,it just hates me
fathom bramble
if it's only 2 you probably just go double weapon imo
especially if you are killing gally late or never
glass mortar
doubt many people r gunna have access to mythic gally weapon tho
assuming its like old dinar systems
sour vault
!wa
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Utilities:
Combo Point Standalone
Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
Ace refund sound trigger
RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
Unseen Blade tracker
Fun:
Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter
KS Ticking damage taken
glass mortar
and i dont think the herioc cantrip is anything to write home about
vivid vessel
lok
glass mortar
the mugzee one is bis even on herioc tho
fathom bramble
wasn't the last dinar system just a item with 18 upgrades on the track
and you could go to myth withoutt ever doing it
vivid vessel
ye
sour vault
whats that wa that tells you when to best use rtb? does the tracker do that?
glass mortar
thought u had to do mythic to unlock the mythic upgrade track for them
fathom bramble
how ti was to ks
I have not yet done a single pull of gally
vivid vessel
oh
fathom bramble
we killed mugzee late into our 2nd raid night last week and just decided not to pull him
cinder relic
wasn't the last dinar system just a item with 18 upgrades on the track
No wasn't it you needed a currency from mythic
glass mortar
yea
vivid vessel
okok
glass mortar
99% sure u need to be clearing the bosses that can drop the item on the difficulty to upgrade the dinar item to that difficulty
maybe its just clearing mythic at all tho
sullen wyvern
if it's only 2 you probably just go double weapon imo
That's what I was thinking. Honestly loot table for outlaw this season is garbage
cold jewel
99% sure u need to be clearing the bosses that can drop the item on the difficul...
i dont think it's this you just need currency from A mythic boss so the farther you go in raid the more/faster you can upgrade them
covert kestrel
That's what I was thinking. Honestly loot table for outlaw this season is garbag...
~~Honestly loot table for ~~outlaw this season is garbage
cold jewel
could be wrong tho but this is how i remember it in DF
sullen wyvern
~~Honestly loot table for ~~outlaw this season is garbage
sullen wyvern
Df had the best trinkets
cold jewel
i mean there was a trinket so good that it got our GS nerfed so yea id say it was a banger trinket expac
sullen wyvern
Didnt play kung fu panda expansion
cold jewel
never forget the guzzler
vague cape
nowadays you're talking a proc that would give 70kish mainstat
sullen wyvern
Besides Outlaw came out in Legion
fathom bramble
they really need to adjust dungeon loot when they add random dungeons to the pool or something
like 6 of the rings this season have mastery on them
sullen wyvern
^
vague cape
wod trinkets cranked tbh
sullen wyvern
TOP has 4 rings
cold jewel
like 6 of the rings this season have mastery on them
there are 3 rings in ToP
oh is it 4?
vague cape
they really need to adjust dungeon loot when they add random dungeons to the poo...
they need to fire whoever put those disgusting wrists from mechagon without secondaries in the pool
its just -1 vault slot
outside of fire mages I dont think they're used at all
glass mortar
fire mages basically the only spec in the game that ever used them
unsurprisingly the items on use literally reads like how the fuk would this even be a benifit for anyone except them 
covert kestrel
@sullen wyvern you seem like a very nice person with level-headed takes but for some reason your profile pic triggers the fuck out of my i just want to punch it
runic bough
That set ring from TOP is also useless without the other set ring.
So that was a huge fail
sullen wyvern
its funny cuz I dont have any level headed takes 
cold jewel
wait huh. ToP has a set ring?
fathom bramble
they need to fire whoever put those disgusting wrists from mechagon without seco...
I don't think there's necessarily a problem with cantrip items like this
sullen wyvern
I will find a better PFP
vivid vessel
guys
cold jewel
are you thinking about mechagon ryu?
vivid vessel
im almost done holy
fathom bramble
they should probably be moree generalized though
vivid vessel
fathom bramble
and I wish the loot table felt planned instead of random
runic bough
covert kestrel
im almost done holy
how was it
sullen wyvern
and I wish the loot table felt planned instead of random
It was planned ||against outlaw||
glass mortar
well loot is always going to feel skewed against outlaw but thats just
its not really the devs fault directly
cold jewel
<@217477662963138561> you seem like a very nice person with level-headed takes b...
his banner is even worse 
runic bough
are you thinking about mechagon ryu?
I got it in TOP it said blocks magic damage.
The other set ring did damage and they activated when paired Iirc
glass mortar
its just us and like, sub
that are happy to see them
and only us that wants them in extreme amounts
cold jewel
oh TIL i never knew ToP even had set items
runic bough
Yeah but they didn't add the dungeon that dropped the other set ring
sullen wyvern
well loot is always going to feel skewed against outlaw but thats just
Df loot was insane for outlaw imo, except for s2, fuck beacon
runic bough
It was the bis ring set from SL
covert kestrel
his banner is even worse <:PogO:1160145144872435792>
puss in boots was a good movie, ill allow it
vague cape
I don't think there's necessarily a problem with cantrip items like this
ah yes, those mail bracers with no secondaries i can't man
covert kestrel
Df loot was insane for outlaw imo, except for s2, fuck beacon
BRING BACK HAND OF MYDAS
fathom bramble
okay now those
sullen wyvern
BRING BACK HAND OF MYDAS
based
fathom bramble
that's a horrible cantrip to add
glass mortar
hand of mydas was only good because they buffed it by 69%
and yes, that was the real buff number
they dont need to bring it back
maybe just buff live trinkets
runic bough
I miss the kamehamehaaaaaaaaaaaaaa trinket
covert kestrel
why r trinkets 1.5% of my overall on a dungeon
u want more or less
glass mortar
more
sullen wyvern
hand of mydas was only good because they buffed it by 69%
how much you say? 
cinder relic
ah yes, those mail bracers with no secondaries i can't man
These bracers are insane though
wdym 
fathom bramble
I think 5% per trinket is a more healthy spot
glass mortar
outlaw might have been too far into the "all damage is procs and direct damage" tho
but u can reach a balance
fathom bramble
I don't think a cantrip item that relies on taking nature damage should actually exist
whether it happens to trigger in the current raid or not
glass mortar
wtf why is gally doing nature damage to u
covert kestrel
wtf why is gally doing nature damage to u
gally secretly a druid
fathom bramble
electricity
glass mortar
I think 5% per trinket is a more healthy spot
yea thats pretty reasonable
covert kestrel
i dont think that man has touched grass once in his life
zeross irl????
fathom bramble
they should also bring back real aoe trinkets
runic bough
zeross irl????
Shots fired
runic bough
fathom bramble
they were the great equalizer that let anyone do aoe burst
or at least adjust the per target scaling to be somewhat similar to what players actually gain per target on most specs
glass mortar
nah if u wanna do aoe damage u better have strong secondaries bozo
u can see how they feel about it
the one uncapped giga on use aoe trinket
and it rooted u for 8s and was unplayable to the lower classes
xd
glass mortar
xd
lok i was doing keys with guildies the other day and they asked one of us to stream so others could watch, so i popped on discord stream
after half a key they asked if anyone else could stream cause they were getting dizzy
glass mortar
YES
direct quote
it was very funny
my higher key doing BM hunter friend was like "that looks like something people would think is fun to play, but actually isnt fun to play at all"
fathom bramble
also multiple people seem to think KS doesn't actually move you
glass mortar
nodders
fathom bramble
at least people I've done keys with
covert kestrel
also multiple people seem to think KS doesn't actually move you
"its like that dh move right?"
WRONG'
glass mortar
i mean because the idea of just rng teleporting ur character around the hitbox of the whole pack/boss for 3s is nonsensical
opal raven
if we are 2 rogues on mugzee, any benefit of one using atrophic poison and one on numbing ? i cant see mitigation hps on the logs, numbing useless right ?
glass mortar
no spell in the whole game acts like this
numbing isnt useless, itll lower tank damage a bit
tank damage tends to not really matter and be one of the least limiting factors on prog tho
fathom bramble
if we are 2 rogues on mugzee, any benefit of one using atrophic poison and one o...
idk I heart atrophic might still stack so might as well run 2
glass mortar
especially this late in the season
fathom bramble
numbing won't help on that encounter
glass mortar
atrophic stacking was fixed as of 11.0
hybrid crown
Does numbing work on raid bosses I thought it didnt
glass mortar
god knows if theyve broken it again since tho
its annoying to test and barely anyone even notices it exists
opal raven
tèyyy
glass mortar
so go ham
fathom bramble
Does numbing work on raid bosses I thought it didnt
it works on their autoattacks and very rarely on some spell casts sometimes
it also stacks with the warlock thing that does the same thing
glass mortar
its almost entirely tank damage taken yea
i dont think we really have any tank crusher bosses this season
not for things numbing reduces anyway
frail veldt
it also sometimes reduces dot tick rate
fathom bramble
usually npc dots aren't hasted though
actually that has me wondering how often we missed out on numbing being OP for something
just for some random important dot
glass mortar
mhm
proven ocean
ur on NA bro
glass mortar
keerat-tich-NA
proven ocean
xdddddddddddd
sour vault
still looking for the right rtb wa :)
vivid vessel
your brain
glass mortar
your brain
in my circles we call it the "eyes" WA
late swallow
using your brain is TOS
late swallow
Using your brain is against TOS
Fixd
thanks for looking out emperor ryu
gaunt phoenix
thats me
tulip jewel
not even 1k yet? pretty casual
lime lake
incredibly based
tulip jewel
now do that on mythic
covert kestrel
incredibly based
wait where is that
lime lake
right there
tulip jewel
wait where is that
#1 heroic allstars for outlaw
red zinc
inflated by xalatath affix or something?
novel pier
hey im making a KS macro for keys, what would yall do to improve
#showtooltip Killing Spree
/Cast Killing Spree
/yell ninja goes spin 忍者旋轉 hit many times 擊中多次 die to circle
死循環 time reaches zero
時間歸零
novel pier
ok is perfect then
tulip jewel
make it a weakaura with timed /says
tulip jewel
KS tick based
desert tendon
demono just the best aoe / st / prio / cleave in m+
have u seen tgp trials?
dude is blasting
red zinc
why wouldnt other people play it then on tournament realm
could instantly gear the character
desert tendon
they dont know
the guy is probably a one trick lock tbh
u can see the great team from live are playing the meta thing
others are doing same/ better time using ferals / rdruid / demono / warprot
i mean that was earlier, probably changed by now
runic bough
Hmm
runic bough
Why
desert tendon
cause combo point class
runic bough
Hmm
lime lake
might fall asleep due to energy
runic bough
Lol
I was on kitty form last night
My movement speed is static 150%
I was wtf hax
That's more than outlaw 130%
By 20%
Must be nice
frail veldt
Outlaw has perma sprint
merry harness
Is it worth it to play outlaw on stix for the extra dmg to adds or is it best to play assa for more boss dmg?
olive flax
Is it worth it to play outlaw on stix for the extra dmg to adds or is it best to...
depends if you raid needs help getting bombs off the trash piles.
If not you can get away with sin; if they do though youll want the ability to target swap which outlaw is better at (not great but you know)
glass mortar
if ur melee r running to break bombs off pillars then outlaw might be more cursed since u will be losing cleave (leaving the boss) and experiencing more downtime
also law isnt even that great at swapping targets with tricksters fazed and ghostly
magic shuttle
Play outlaw
glass mortar
i dont think sin is particularly valuable on stix anyway
magic shuttle
Strictly better than sin
glass mortar
ye
olive flax
I agree
I think there are some good logs, but I think outlaw is the better play
end of the day it comes down to if you are unlucky with trash balls or not really
merry harness
Yeah outlaw feels petty good
magic shuttle
You can plan around trash balls once you've seen enough pulls
glass mortar
ye u try to plan ur AR around them but its kinda rough regardless
i mean ur not gunna get a good parse progging this boss im ngl
the way people parse it is very anti prog
just do the mechanics and the boss dies very easily tho
make sure u do ur roll properly and dont light fires up and cleave ur heart away
magic shuttle
It's excluded from all stars anyway
merry harness
Yeah no reason to parse
glass mortar
first roll is the most cursed by far
pray u dont end up like me and get picked for every first roll the whole night
merry harness
Yeah when i got first roll it felt sooo bad
glass mortar
its bad timing with AR unless u get very very good cdr, and then after u finish the boss intermissions like 10s later
so u dont have time to resetup or recover or anything
xd
magic shuttle
2nd roll might be the best to get
glass mortar
why does this intermission exist btw
can anyone tell me
boss just decides to fly up for 10s randomly 1m into the fight
then never again
magic shuttle
It's funny to press killing spree when boss takes off
merry harness
Yeah is very strange but it is very easy to play around as law imo
magic shuttle
You get to teleport around the air
merry harness
It's funny to press killing spree when boss takes off
Yeah i tried that didn't get too high tho
magic shuttle
Supercharge the ks!
merry harness
True
Is probably a dmg increase to hold ks right before the intermission to get a few secounds more uptime
Or maybe not because of the lost cdr on ks
hasty warren
glass mortar
doesnt the boss not take damage while hes flying?
if u kspree him up there im pretty sure its just 4fun
glass mortar
magic shuttle
Ye it's for fun
vivid vessel
im gonna be 673
proven ocean
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
might not go for 673 tho
cuz i might just craft wrist
(less ilvl gain)
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
well well well zeross
vivid vessel
