oh i use the simc addon, but i do remember that import shows the APL okay
#tc-research
torpid roost
aye
the line you want to edit is towards the end of the APL, in the finishers section
normal mural
sweet, thx man
torn steeple
primal slate
so outlaw slice n' dice build is using gouge as a 1pt combo filler in the APL, that doesn't seem right on a boss fight, it won't reward anything if the mob is immune
torn dome
set talent to 0
primal slate
thx
bleak sky
remove this line
actions+=/gouge,if=talent.dirty_tricks.enabled&combo_points.deficit>=1
Also add fixed_time=1 right under the line in which states your spec
There is a bug in the simc engine which hasn't been fixed yet afaik.
maiden cargo
When you guys do sims do you stick with the default 300 second runs
Ive noticed a fairly large damage discrepancy between a 5 min run sim and a 10 min
But most raid bosses are alive longer than 5 min
bleak sky
I prefer 450seconds
timber coral
Since the latest nightly my outlaw build is optimized at 22%haste with mantle/wrist... Not really sure about such a drastic change, up from it reporting like 9% haste being optimal before. Sorry if repost
vague olive
I'm optimized around 15%; 22 seems a bit high but i suppose it's technically possible, though not probable, depending on your stat weights;
Haste was actually undervalued before
timber coral
It could be that my new frond is 925
proper cairn
good morning, question, what do you sim for M+ stat weights ?
5+ targets HC light mov ?
true jetty
Is simming your character really nothing more than importing the stats from simc into the nightly simulationcraft build, choosing agi/crit/haste/mastery/vers under scaling and then pressing simulate? Somehow I thought there'd be more to it than that
gaunt gale
yeah, that's literally it.
cobalt oxide
Amr or simcraft?
regal agate
depends on what you aim for. the majority use simc > amr.
raw arrow
don't even have to do all that anymore for the basic stuff, just use the simc discord bot
cerulean junco
you cant wait for the amory to update everytime ._.
regal agate
it usualy updates every time you log out.
cobalt oxide
Amr is alot faster and easier to use / swap gear out etc imo
rotund violet
I think it mostly comes down to how serious you are about the game if you want to use simc vs amr
limber dock
@split sorrel do u know if cof is undervalued in sims?
limber dock
@normal slate dos sims higher for me, dropping insignia and using kjs sims higher for me
oO
normal slate
The ilvls do depend ofc. If KJ is like 70 ilvls of stats it's going to be really good. DoS is ok, but only gets really good at a very high ilvl.
rapid crane
!sim na/area-52/chatterboxx
marsh sail
Might have been answered before, but are the 7.2 sims for sub simming lower then current?
ie. are the changes an overall nerf
keen wagon
Is it worth adding a new relic that provides +4 ilevel with a shitty nondps trait instead of having a lower relic with master assassin on it? (Do note i dont have a CoF or the legendary boots yet)
surreal bobcat
!relic
marsh sail
Yeah ofc Aethys, but now I know when sub gets a buff I will know where it stands in relation to other specs
mighty pawn
@keen wagon no.
celest vessel
Yeah, noticed there was a big swing in the outlaw apl. Went from simming 940k down to 900 and from around 8-9% haste to 15% Felt really good to swap out at least one of the 875 pure vers pieces I was wearing I must say. Have only ever done around 800k dps with good buffs, so it seems to have gone in a slightly more human direction.
unkempt hedge
What bug was fixed for outlaw?
torn dome
haste not affecting combat potency frequency
graceful parrot
!relic
hoary folio
torn dome
so you get proper results
unkempt hedge
you set target error to auto
torn dome
target error runs as many iterations as it requires for said accuracy
ember fossil
On back to back runs with the simbot, my dps decreased by almost half, with only changing a ring for a 5 ilevel different piece. On the drastic decline run, the Simcraft report shows NO traits or relics at all in my artifact weapon. There is this error at the top of the low report page:
"BCP API: Unable to extract player level from 'https://us.api.battle.net/wow/character/nesingwary/mahalen?fields=talents,items,professions&locale=en_US&apikey='. Using fallback method to import armory.
BCP API (html): Note, Blizzard does not provide Artifact trait information on their HTML armory page. The actor will be simulated without any artifact traits. The simulator output for the actor will not be correct."
A subsequent run was successful, btw
muted rapids
is there an option to see the median on simcraft?
tepid gale
I can't feed my outlaw enough haste to satisfy the all mighty simc!
bleak cobalt
I apologize, because I'm useless and I could do this myself if i understood simcraft better. We're currently having a discussion in general regarding whether is better to rupture or envenom with shoulders NOT in the opener. Is there a way someone amazing at the simming could test this and provide definitive proof which is better? Boots+Shoulders would be the combo to test I guess.
wind lotus
You can make a condition in the rupture line, where you say if you got mantle buff dont use rupture. but why would you. t19 4p envenoms are just getting better and you can go quicker for vanish. Try it, but it will most likely not help at all
shut lance
@tepid gale Time to use SEPHUZ! :P
maiden cargo
Hi Any experienced sub rogue who can help me with talents/opener with mantel and bracer
wops wrong place mby
regal agate
the 0 rows have no impact on your dps thats why there is a 0
0 means no talent taken
iron obsidian
isn't it 0 because c++ is a 0 index language
that's why if you run mp, sub, vigor, cd, thugee, ap, and vr, its (0122000)
random veldt
no
a 0 in simc means no talent. if you plug 0122000 into simc for assassination i imagine your result would be pretty bad lol
robust marten
what are optimal setting to simulate botanist fight in simc
hectic cleave with 1 boss or 3
just tryna see if its worth taking a 905 digit over my 890 frond for it
ember ferry
I have a question on buff uptime for outlaw, Sim is saying uptime on TB is 75%+ and all other of the 5 buffs at 23-25% ish. I got mostly lucky rolls just now on a 5 min fight (5 min is what i sim'd at) and I am 68% uptime on TB, 46% jolly (it landed on TB a lot) and the rest are somewhere between the 2-16%.
Can someone explain the %'s buffs to me for sim?
civic cradle
nothing to explain
the sim keeps rerolling till it gets TB
then it stops
that's why it has 75 on tb
ember ferry
i get that, but to my knowledge it is set for 3+ buffs or TB. and a double buff of TB + anyother buff should make the %'s a lot more all over the place
civic cradle
yeah but thats only one case, remember the sim is like 10,000 iterations
that is what it averages to if you keep rerolling for TB
you can't consider one case like that when dealing with outlaw sim
ember ferry
Ahh, copy that.
torn dome
what
torn dome
no
timber coral
@robust marten what difficulty
kind bluff
round canyon
yes
surreal bobcat
I sim 25k more stronger with 605 frond than with my memento 910
but frond is sometimes didn't proc
wind geyser
Hey quick question for Outlaw I've been simming my gear alot and everytime I sim it keeps telling me to get more haste i'm currently at 4,560 haste (12.16%) and it just seems like a bit too much I've checked top parsing rogues and they have much less should keep going with what the sims say or follow top parses?
north parrot
wind lotus
Fungus, Top parses probably have 6 buffs or not too many TB rerolls. You cannot judge what's better based on top parses, because RNG is RNG. It works only if you find nearly identical parses, etc. But gl finding that. Sims just can provide information, which increases your dps on average, not for single parses. You can check the outliers, in the 100000 (or what ever you did set) iterations you will see parses with 500k dps for instance, but also parses with 1.5kk dps.
abstract viper
i got a question, does the simcraft apl take into account pvp use trinkets?
bleak sky
Yes and they really suck
vernal orbit
Hey. Fairly new Assassination Rogue here. Quick question: I'm having fairly low proc rates on Poison Bomb. Is it worth fishing for procs with 3-4 cp finisher instead of going for 5 every time?
random veldt
Wrong channel for >general< questions
vernal orbit
aye 😬 sorry
wide beacon
!trinkets
weak dirge
hey, i downloaded the newest simcraft (and old clients too, for tests) but I cant set it to more than 10k iterations, cause its grey, i cant click on it or changing it... anyone knows why?
weak dirge
???? 😃
weak dirge
so any normal answer maybe?
finite thunder
you cant change if you set a target error, which is better
simulation will keep running until he reach that margin of error
finite thunder
np 😄
shy badger
Hi, i currently have a 905 Nightblooming Frond and a 895 DoS and the frond seems to sim higher.. although i used in one fight and it was shit. I know it s rng but still.. i m guessing it might be better because of the agility also, what do you guys think ? Thanks
I m assassination btw
weak dirge
do you have shoulder? if yes, dos maybe better, BUT sometimes nbf better
depends on what you want, what u prefer
nbf is better in sim, cause simming with like 4% dmg, but sometimes its less or more
random veldt
at that ilevel diff, frond will be better unless it does under like 1.5% of your damage
also this is not the channel to ask about gear
shy badger
I don't have shoulders, no. Thanks for the info, i asked here because it was regarding a simulation.
wind geyser
@wind lotus Thank you for clearing that up 😁 😁 😁
maiden cargo
Hay guys ( Pawn: v1: "Piandaro": Agility=22.08, HasteRating=9.59, MasteryRating=10.85, CritRating=11.08, Dps=14.07, Versatility=16.4 ) is right now my stats weight but my question is if there is any cap like 15% haste or 40% mastery what so ever
ashen crater
Nope
coral patio
Can anyone help me get my stat weights?
regal agate
@coral patio use the simbot in #bot-spam (howto is pinned)
coral patio
Thanks :p
ivory basin
Anyone who can help me out with simulationcraft?
I've taken the pawn string from my outlaw simulation, and the stat weights doesn't add up
Pawn: v1: "Señortaco": Class=Rogue, Spec=Outlaw, Agility=19.97, Ap=18.99, CritRating=14.05, HasteRating=14.33, MasteryRating=11.21, Versatility=15.50 Here is the string, and it says that haste is a higher prio than Crit strike in which it doesn't give any sense. Because I haven't found 1 source which supports this.
amber karma
Haste is barely higher than crit there, and I'm guessing that you have much more crit on your gear than haste. Right now, point for point, haste gives you slightly more of an increase than crit, but this would likely change once you get some more haste (or less crit)
ivory basin
Ah okay. Do you know how much I should be getting around with haste?
valid scroll
Haste does sim alot higher since the last release, even at 21% haste (7.7k rating), haste sims 2nd to vers
ivory basin
Do you know if that is a bug in simulationcraft or is that just a stat priority change?
torn dome
ancient bug was fixed that made haste look bad
ivory basin
Soo haste has actually become a good stat again for outlaw? Because I only have 8% haste, but i'm not sure if I should get more.
torn dome
it has always been good, we just didnt know that
ivory basin
Do you know how much haste in % is recommended for outlaw?
ivory basin
kk, thank you for the help 😃
vague olive
It's between 15-20% or so, for most people @ivory basin
vast yarrow
I have the insignia of ravenholdt legendary. Does anyone know if I should be shadowstriking for aoe now or using shuriken storm still? if so at how many targets to I switch
vague olive
Still using shuriken storm, I would use a different legendary for aoe, assuming you're talking about m+
vast yarrow
it's the only one I have D:
vale python
895, swapping from sin to outlaw for ToS, what do you all think?
vague olive
think about what? switching? if you want to play outlaw, go for it. balancing is still being done
iron obsidian
So I'm trying to download the source code for simC, and the github still links to a seemingly old version of it on googlecode. Is there an updated version of the source code somewhere
regal agate
oak jay
when scaling on SimC, should you include weapon dps/off hand weapon dps, and attack power?
or just main stats
vivid siren
oak jay
got it thanks
iron obsidian
@regal agate do you run Qt5.7 or the newest version?
iron obsidian
Nvm, got it. ^_^
split sorrel
What do you think is wrong ? It's Damage per Execute Time
jaunty jetty
Having between the eyes on top with such a huge margin
when it wasn't even there before
Nevermind
I figured it out
civic cradle
🤔
jaunty jetty
^
split sorrel
😃
mild abyss
Anyone able to tell me what the most optimal relics would be for having boots+shoulders & vendetta+kb traits?
2 or 3 vendetta relics?
jolly venture
How do I sim with potion of prolonged power isntead of old war?
regal agate
import from armory(or copy from profile tab of a simulation result) -> replace the name of the potions -> run simulation
name=prolonged_power
torpid roost
Does anyone know if its possible to see the DPS distrubtion of frond?
regal agate
like that?
torpid roost
no, like this - but just the Frond contribution
torn dome
remove all but autoattacking from apl
while wearing frond
and that same chart should show the frond distribution
torpid roost
I like it :D
torn dome
My min was 0k dps and max was 60k dps as outlaw
Min 0k and max 90k as sin
torpid roost
it's less the min / max I'm interested in, and the distribution... currently we just look at the average and say 'yep, its good (it's variable, live with it)'. But that doesn't really look at the whole picture. Doing 300k dps 1% of the time, and 0 dps 99% is very different to 30k dps on average, with some variability. (made up numbers, i'm DL'ing simc onto my laptop atm)
torn dome
I dont quite follow
That graph shows you the % of the iterations it fell into said dps "category"
Like in 40% of these runs frond did 20k dps
Or about 20k +/-5
Those super lucky maximums are really bringing the mean up
torpid roost
Aye, that's my point
I was told that if frond procs back to back, then the stacks don't reset - which would explain why its skewed like that
torn dome
Correct
Which is exactly why frond is absolutely the #1 parse trinket
But interestingly ernough on sub 2 min fights is absolutely useless even when superlucky
torpid roost
So how do we take that into account when you're trying to be consistant (progression)?
torn dome
For example on augur progress back then I didnt use frond
As if it didnt proc in last phase it was utterly useless
torn dome
Yup, eog and cof were my cup of tea all prog
torpid roost
i'm no longer a raider, so these are purely academic musings
inner arrow
Hello. I am trying to understand something. Shackles + Cinidaria sims higher than Mantle + Shackles?
odd sedge
try simming it?
inner arrow
Yep, sim'd it. Going to test it tonight.
rich sierra
it says damage per time USED
upper carbon
what fight style best describes guldan
cerulean junco
for rogue its only single target
spare furnace
have there been any ptr sims yet?
curious how outlaw fairs with the latest changes
civic cradle
curious about what, no simming is needed for that
rtb is worse than it is on life because tb nerfs and nerfs to multi buffs
snd is better because of 0.5 sec CDR per cp
in general it's still worse than sin
primal slate
question, playing outlaw, have traxi's treads (speed boost inc to run through dmg) running inc speed talent and had an 890 chrono shard (agil with haste + 15% speed inc) drop last night. 890 NBF still comes out on top in sims. How does sim craft handle speed increases during the proc, does it stack with sprint? with 25-30% uptime on the proc it would seem it synergizes really well with the legendary
granite spoke
Hi guys, I've been following this (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=410072229) to know what relics to use as an outlaw, however it doesn't say anything about the shoulder leg. Is there any sim out there for the best relics with the bracers/shoulders for outlaw?
viral herald
hey, does anyone know how this "bag in gear" thing works with the simulationcraft addon?
gaunt gale
@viral herald new feature to use with raidbots.com - an online simcraft tool
viral herald
but how do i use it?
gaunt gale
their "Top Gear" function, when you put your simc input in, will allow you to select which pieces of gear you want to compare, that are in your bags
and do all the combinations
then sim it in the cloud
viral herald
but when i type "/simc" and copy the result there is nothing under "gear in bags" or do i need some other addon?
gaunt gale
do you have any gear in your bags? Also, are you playing on an english client?because there's a bug atm with non-english locales
viral herald
okay, then its the client, thanks a lot mate
neat wharf
so I have a 885 relic in my bag that I wanna sim, but not actually place it in the weapon, how do I do that :/?
heavy moon
@neat wharf raidbots.com is an easy way to do it, or use the guide in resources
neat wharf
tyvm
static galleon
@random bough Bis relics are rupture
pallid thorn
Wut
feral crystal
I realise this is a dumb question, but how to you get a new nightly to work once you download it? I usually just re-download the downloader and run it like that
civic cradle
uninstall the old one, install the new one, run
blazing flame
Hi ! Any news on roll distribution on PTR ? Do we have a sim build with it ?
marsh sail
How is the Vigor ring looking in sims? Its a garbage talent to take atm as sub, but I wonder how much of an % it is standalone
round canyon
it's not implemented in simc yet
and we don't yet know what secondary stats the legendary will have
marsh sail
ah ok
modest ravine
what are the parameters for the simbot?
regal agate
they are pinned in #bot-spam
velvet eagle
Hey, is it normal that a Rogue with legendary Boots + shoulder sims so much higher in comparison to a rogue with legendary shoulder + bracers ?
rare loom
buoyant patio
is there any analysis on the value of additional levels of concordance?
quartz halo
you can jsut sim yourself with 52/55/60 or something
you'll find out its not worth much
rich temple
@velvet eagle personally bracers sim very well for me, on par with boots
But that's largely due to 920 grovetenders (mastery Crit) with next best wrists being 890
Oh rip that was hours ago
velvet eagle
xD
velvet eagle
Is it important to refresh rupture at 8 seconds before it runs out or doesnt it matter at all ?
velvet eagle
that means it doesnt matter when i refresh it ?
finite thunder
and dont re apply before that of course, losing duration
0 > and <7.2 , thats when you re apply, that way you dont waste damage nor duration
velvet eagle
ahh i understand
finite thunder
oh **** we are in simulation tab and thats not related to it =x
ask questions like that in general tab
velvet eagle
oups my bad :x
pulsar canyon
If i want to sim trained soldier for example, but my current enchant is hidden satyr, besides the name i need to manually add 600 mastery to my stats as well ?
iron obsidian
What's the line to check for a nightstalker buffed rupture? Trying to edit the apl but can't find the line in the class module
nova girder
@pulsar canyon no just change name
heady surge
Does anyone know the spell id for concordance? Would like to sim it
regal agate
you can use the method pined in #228878985210101760 to sim traits
median quartz
Anyone with the addon that can gimme the line of text for Legendary Boots/shoulders
how can i get the line of text that is legendary boots/shoulders? i dont understand
median quartz
TYVM ❤
regal agate
thats boots for sub btw. you can get the id/bonusid from wowhead if you need them
median quartz
Ah cool thanks
blazing jay
thin spire
how do i get a html page for a sim result?
regal agate
press the "save" button
tawny cradle
any of you has sims showing race differences?
safe aspen
race makes no difference on dps
thin hemlock
hey guys, whats better to use to sim myself mr robot or simulationcraft?
lament lake
simming myself on multiple fight lengths using 880CoF / 895 Frond / 900DoS. i am getting frond/dos as the best pair on all lengths but its going against my instinct to drop CoF is there any simcraft wizardry i should try to make sure this is legit? is frond trustworthy enough to roll with? reading your past comments i feel it may be a polished turd 1 parse and a gold nugget the next.
bold herald
sim is always going to show you the average
so you can take the highest and lowest dps into account when comparing
rich sierra
how accurate is simcraft? i simmed using the legendary boots and 900 bracers with 664 crit nd 265 mastery, versus using the legendary bracers with 905 boots with 794 crit, 469 mastery and a socket (200 agi). i thought the legendary boots were significantly better but simcraft says i get more dps using the legendary bracers and the 905 boots w/socket
or is the socket with 200 agi worth that much? i have no other sockets
full bone
What relics do you have?
rich sierra
905 master assassin 905 toxic blades 920 toxic bladdes
so master assassin, then envenom x 2
full bone
I -think- boots shine best when you have at least 2 MAs, but I might be mistaken on that, I'm more or less armchairing it at this point, plus it's late.
SimC does do its job, though, but keep in mind there's always human error and for the most part SimC just checks you on a pure tank 'n' spank with no mechanics to worry about.
rich sierra
would having an extra 905 master assassin over a 905 toxic blades make up the dps? it was 888821.5 dps with boots vs. 893814.8 dps with bracers
only about 5k
full bone
Sim it -- pull the ID of the relic from wowhead and plug it into the spot your toxic blades is at, and run the sim again.
regal agate
pins in #off-topic -> how to sim relics
full bone
^
rich sierra
well that raidbot website says the legendaary boots are lower either way LOL
with boots
with bracers
small amount but still, its there
full bone
As weird as it is for someone who enjoys the small increases to say it, it's...really not going to be a noticable difference
rich sierra
yea,... i just got so excited i got the booties today ;_;
i was like YES MY DPS WILL SKYROCKET oh wait...
full bone
To be fair you're already comfortably in mythic, so nothing is going to skyrocket your dps lol
rich sierra
i mean, concordance apparently does xD i just got it and its definitely noticable
full bone
Yeah, but that's a 2k agility proc, not a few seconds on your Vendetta LOL. 2k agi is probably worth more than a few second's uptime on 30% dmg.
rich sierra
yepyep now its time to boost my numbers next raid now that ive gotten it ;D
and howd you know im comfortably into mythic >_> and its not all that comfy lmao
round canyon
concordance is so hilariouslyt tiny
i simmed it as a 1.1% damage boost for the first rank
maiden cargo
idk 1.1% dmg in a 1,3 mil opener is good :F
maiden cargo
on assa ye
rich sierra
and idk im pretty sure a flask adds a significant dps boost, its 1300 main stat for the whole fight, but concordance is 2000+ every now and then
round canyon
feel free to sim it yourself if you want to find how much it is for you
instead of feelycrafting
merry pike
lok when join my guild and be our outlaw main 🤔
unkempt fable
what is that line again you can add if you want to sim a comparison between relics?
and now do i find the bonus id
regal agate
pin in #off-topic
unkempt fable
thanks
regal gale
!traits
lament lake
where do i get the relic id's to plug into simcraft? im seeing xxxx:xxxx but there seems to be some missing
im finding the relic id but missing the bonus id
magic kestrel
so... im outlaw and simcraft shows me that in DoS 895ilvl vs 880ilvl [1712agi, 1096 vers], DoS loses by ~140k dps... is that correct? i've read everywhere that DoS is OP but sim shows me that it's much worse, on a dummy it hits for ~350k crit/~105k normal
finite thunder
DoS is not a OP, especially for outlaw O.o
round canyon
draught of souls is really really bad for outlaw
maiden cargo
Dos is a hype
hollow kernel
my simcraft is crashing when I try to sim Outlaw, anyone else?
regal agate
no works with ptr aswell as live version, try downloading the latest nightly from http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D
wicked zealot
@hollow kernel my simc been crashing with outlaw too, in the meanwhile i've been using the sim bot and raidbot
regal agate
can you dm me your input string i try to run it then
maiden cargo
is raidbot/simbot viable or simC better?
regal agate
all 3 = simc
plucky furnace
gusty wren
are the tomb trinkets simming properly in SimC?
maiden cargo
is frond still simming high
finite thunder
omg, that was only for the first week of nighthold
frond is simming correcly since then
gaunt gale
last I checked, !trinkets still says frond sims high (unless someone fixed it in the last week?)
wait, someone fixed it
thin spire
Which was the command line to add to simc in order to sim with ptr patch?
torn dome
It is an option next to iterationas iirc
burnt hare
anyone who can help me with a question regarding simc?
regal agate
just ask @burnt hare
glacial tapir
how much cd decrease does the legy boots give?
late willow
20ish seconds
thick musk
Hello anyone is here?
Why my simcraft show me this stats Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=14.19, CritRating=11.27, HasteRating=5.29, MasteryRating=10.43, Versatility=9.89 )
If i needed Agi - Mastery - Crit - Vers - Haste. ;|
prisma raft
Is there any decent way to sim sephuz in simulationcraft?
quaint wren
I just got Draught of Souls and I have Mantle. Anyone know somewhere I can find the proper opener?
tranquil vortex
@split sorrel Is it worth delaying vanish if drought is close to be off cooldown? And what's the optimal opener for shoulders+drought
well, look at that coincidence lol
novel slate
new rogue here, I was looking through my sims but does Ghostly Strike buff my auto attacks too?
rich temple
@novel slate I actually have no clue, sorry to be useless, but I'm wondering why you ask?
novel slate
Was trying out slice and dice with eye of command, and wanted to see if ghostly buffed AA damage even more
because if eye of command is constantly up with slice and dice on top of the buff from Ghostly it might be ok
its simming like 5k lower than with RTB @rich temple
rich temple
Ahhh gotchya, what legendaries are you using?
rich temple
Ah okay
narrow vector
Any data on how much lego shoulders are devalued with the new sin skill?
civic cradle
yeah, it makes them exactly 10.42% worse
neat viper
Repeating, of course
weary horizon
Can one trust the AMR sims?
regal agate
what do you mean with trust?
weary horizon
It's showing a difference of more than 100k versus simc
regal agate
its a difrent tool with a difrent aproach and difrent developers so its usual to get difrent results
strong gorge
Maybe the fights have different lengths or other parameters
plucky mural
@thick musk those numbers are probably due to low ilvl.
coral patio
Hey guys, I've just gotten a Draught of Souls to go with my Mantle, Would you guys recommend running CoF and DoS or CoF and Nightblooming Frond? And if DoS, what would the opener be?
maiden cargo
dont use dos
atomic linden
cof and frond would be better
silver gulch
Wich race sims best for sin? i know its marginal 😃 but one must pull a little ahead
regal agate
just add @silver gulch
copy=racename
race=name_of_race
below your simulation for every race you want to sim
example:
copy=undead
race=undead
late willow
7/7 Blade dancer increases energy regen by 3%
cyan marsh
Belf would sim highest due to passive 1% crit
late willow
I think panda does if you use the lavish feast
shut lance
@novel slate Ghostly Strike only buffs ability damage unfortunately.
novel slate
Alright thanks
round canyon
@late willow can you confirm this?
late willow
Yeah
Give me one sec. On my phone
@round canyon
First is obv just the 7/7
second is BF off and energy regen is 13.8
third is BF on and energy regen is 14.22
I also made sure that it wasnt anything odd with an addon and measured how long it took me to get to 100 energy from 0 and it was 3% faster with BF on
energy regen is in the top left of those images and my bartender bar is in the bottom right with BF showing
round canyon
do you know if this mechanic is working in simc?@late willow
late willow
idk
I dont think it is
I simmed to 952k this morning and sim to 952k right now
I just got it this evening
the 7/7
round canyon
@late willow in all likelyhood the mechanic isnt going to show a damage increase for single target due to the fact that its not toggling BF in singletarget situations
round canyon
@late willow ill edit the APL later and find out
a shortcut would be to just do a 2+ target sim and see if 7/7 is a damage boost
late willow
@round canyon Yeah 952k at 6/7 and 967k at 7/7
round canyon
@late willow time to find a krosus relic i guess
maiden cargo
U guys think sin will still be viable with 7.2.5?
dawn ether
Hey is anyone around right now to ask a question??
rotund violet
hi
dawn ether
question; just got Kil'jaedans cunning
how useful is that legendary for assass/outlaw - i have Cinidaria and the Legendary boots
(crafted)
atomic linden
KJ is bad for outlaw
boots are a good stat stick
and cinidaria's is meh
but the problem with Kiljaden's burnin' b-ball
is that you lose out on a trinket slot
frail gust
right now NB > DoS even with shoulders?
atomic linden
if i recall correctly, yeah
valid edge
Hey quick question. What's the best rogue spec to level with in Broken Isles? right now outlaw isn't doing too hot for me
mellow elbow
Both sub and muti are good enough
fringe epoch
outlaw was the best for me, however, I was using Arch trinket till 110, and the oneshot-crits from outlaw evisc were devastating
bleak sky
Wait wait so 7/7 BF is an energy increase when you just leave BF on?
This is going to get a nerfbat
cerulean junco
blade flurry 24/7
atomic linden
its literally just pure meme tier
rich temple
i.... i thought he was just trolling, that's fucking hilarious
it's dumb enough to deserve fixing, but not OP enough to be on the radar (BF energy increase) LOL
civic cradle
why not
it's -3% per rank
if it did not give +3% at 7/7, the last point would be useless
its not OP in the least
needs no fixing
cerulean junco
its not like anyone would really use 7/7 BF
manic oracle
Is new assa talent on the simc already for the ptr version?
nvm i guess it is just found a commit with it
manic oracle
looks like it's such a garbage tho https://puu.sh/vTMWa/48c078192e.png
raven python
whats best sim specs on ptr atm?
boreal patrol
@manic oracle toxic blade is in but not in the APL yet, also be very careful with Live VS PTR sims, that's not the point of current ptr stage, there will be more tuning
manic oracle
It is helpful to know the strengh of the talents right now anyways, since tomb is in a month away. I also added toxic blades to the apl to be used while kingsbane debuff is up and <9.1sec @boreal patrol
boreal patrol
sure, I agree that comparing new stuff is interesting, I do it myself, it's just easy to cause panic by saying X/Y is garbage at this point
and comparing it to live
manic oracle
yeah, thats true
ionic meteor
Yo, I'm at work any sims of outlaw assassination and sub. Since all three are changing
maiden cargo
is there a nightly build for the ptr?
regal agate
latest nightly should have most changes link is pinned
cerulean junco
someone simmed nighthold rings , im not sure if i should go for bis :X
all of them are not optimal..
empty igloo
Is there a way to tell simcraft to use the Sephuz's proc? Maybe from changing the boss to something besides Patchwerk?
deep egret
Why is my simC doing this? http://prntscr.com/f9vmxo
Latest nightly
Nvm think i had PTR version
boreal patrol
oh dang, my bad, gonna fix tomorrow, it's in the middle of the night here :/
timber coral
Any progress on an assassination apl for ptr with the new talent?
toxic flower
anyone know why I'm getting an error message saying "`anonymous-namespace'::pool_resource_t::reset: can't find next action"?
oh
I think sporte just answered me question lol
dry marsh
Has anyone posted sims for all three specs off the PTR?
civic cradle
Nope, because no one cares and they're pointless until number tuning is done
maiden cargo
is there a way to sim the best gear set from items currently equipped and in bags
regal agate
@maiden cargo you can just equip both sets, type /simc (with simcraft addon installed) in your chat and copy the string to simc (for all sets you want to use)
if you dont want to equip an item (e.g. you maybe want to trade it or its BoE or a relic) you can use an addon like simbuilder or search the item up on wowhead (the id/bonusid is in the link, dont forget to select the right itemlvl first).
if you want to find the best gear you have you can also use https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear (just folow the instructions on the page)
maiden cargo
hi, i think i saw a simcraft list once that had a list of the strength of individual buffs as outlaw, could someone repost that for me if they have seen it?
regal agate
http://simc.aethys.eu/roll_the_bones_715_hype.html
they are for 7.1.5 tho (so probably outdated)
bleak sky
Question. When I see interval in simc is that the CD of the ability or the time between the end of the ability and the start of the next iteration?
Simc says average time between executions of a particular action. Which I can interpret as either I feel.
Leaning towards interpretation one because it says execution.
Nvm. Based on my exp with sin it's interp 1. But correct me if I'm wrong.
maiden cargo
thanks fuu 😃
keen pasture
so im looking at the shit to paste into simcraft, what do i change to see how much taking one trait over another would change? im assuming it's in the line "artifact=43:0:0:0:0:323:4:324:4:325:4:326:3:327:4:328:4:329:3:330:4:331:3:332:1:333:1:334:1:335:1:337:1:346:1:347:1:1276:1:1384:1:1577:4:1578:1:1579:1:1651:1" but fuck if i understand any of that
stark scaffold
Best rotation for assassin lege shoulders?
plush flax
Heey boiiz,
So i was watching my charts on the sim and i noticed it was using potion of the old war, how do i change that to prolonged?
hot frigate
is there a list of the best trinkets to try for for an outlaw rogue?
merry cloud
@keen pasture yes, you should go to wowhead - artifact calculator - clock all nedeed traits - hit "Link" button at the top right - copy and paste sim link
or you can just override: add line artifact_override=master_assassin:6
something like that
regal agate
@keen pasture its pinned in #228878985210101760
cedar gorge
Hi, does someone know how to use simulationcraft to sim a healer ? (I know I should ask this on another Discord but i didn't get any answer)
regal agate
thats becouse healers usualy dont have a rotation and things are highly situational
solemn plaza
There's spreadsheets that help you out though, I kind of attempt to use one for my priest (Spreadsheet also works for HPala), not the same but might still be useful to you
calm sinew
What line/number do I adjust in SimulationCraft if I want to sim for higher Concordance of Legionfall?
hard quest
any ideas on when simcraft will be updated with latest concordance changes?
pliant pagoda
So I simulated through my trinkets, and my 900 Splinters of Agronnax is simming higher than my 880 DoS (patchwerk, paired with 890 CoF). Would you trust this sim?
heavy moon
@pliant pagoda prob cause at least splinters has agi where as dos is meh
especially 880
pliant pagoda
That's sort of what I'm feeling
pliant pagoda
I tried running it for a few bosses in MNH tonight... it feels off.
I wonder if the proc rate is just awful.
dull pulsar
any sims for 725 up?
unique grail
Has Simcraft been updated for the concordance change from 2k baseline to 4k baseline? Not seeing much a of dps jump to say that it has been.
warm veldt
boreal patrol
@unique grail i think it was added last night and should be in the latest windows nightly
@warm veldt that's normal, it should open a frame with your simc profile as well though
maiden cargo
Simming 10k dps lower with the last nightly build as 'sin Oo
vapid ridge
Does the current APL for SIN have gnawed thumb ring in the APL?
finite thunder
yes it does
spiral bluff
Does anybody know if the newest Nightly (2017-05-26 04:08) has the most recent PTR build in?
torn dome
this mornings nightly should have it all
spiral bluff
nice, thanks
ripe hawk
sharp knot
Does the nightly build automatically use ptr data or do I need to set it up for it
torn dome
check option in settings
manic pulsar
Do any of you folks know if the changes to Combat Potency for 7.2.5 remove the weapon speed normalization for the off hand auto attack proc chance? Is it just flat 30% now? Or is it still like it is on live?
torn dome
You mean slow vs fast?
manic pulsar
On live, for whatever reason, the off hand proc chance is normalized to 1.4 attack speed
torn dome
There was a commit to combat potency a month ago or so
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/compare/d5e237cc3d31...8f47de73531a
Is the last commit to it afaik
manic pulsar
alright, thanks for pointing me to it - I'm not totally sure how to determine the proc chance looking at the SimC code
spec.combat_potency -> effectN( 1 ).percent() this must somehow point me to a proc chance?
makes me think SimC is using flat 30% - not sure if anyone has tested that or not though
torn dome
@boreal patrol might have an answer
round canyon
@manic pulsar its a flat 30% nowadays
boreal patrol
@manic pulsar that only thing about normalization i found was back in a Legion alpha post when even the tooltip of that passive still mentioned that the proc chance increases with weapon speed. That has been removed in a later Legion build as far as I can see from the spelldata changelog.
besides, if we still had normalization, then the design post parts about combat potency would have been wrong because the numbers would not match
manic pulsar
Cool, thanks for the info - not sure where I got that from.. but I'll update it with all the 7.2.5 stuff
boreal patrol
until wod it still said Slower weapons have a higher chance. but it looks like they removed that bit in 7.0.3
and according to the design insight [...] Combat Potency procs twice as often for half the Energy each proc
which roughly matches Live (20% for 19 energy wth 4 traits) vs PTR (38% for 10 energy)
manic pulsar
The only blue post I've seen on roll the bones said they were changing it to "something like" 79% chance for one buff, 20% for two, and 1% chance for five. Has anyone heard anything different about that?
torn dome
Thats how sim is modeled rn
And how some testing suggested
Nothing confirmed 100% last I heard tho
manic pulsar
It would be pretty tough to confirm without blizzard just telling us.
Unless we gathered massive testing
I haven't seen any three buff combos in my limited testing. But I also haven't gottten a 5 buff.
torn dome
I think there is a mention about the logging of the rtb in #tc-updates
Been a while tho so have to search it
manic pulsar
Cool, I'll see if I can find it.
barren phoenix
Is frond simming higher than dos with mantle accurate?
fallow wave
Using Thraxis as outlaw but SimC evaluate speed as weight zero. Speed on gear not work with Thraxis?
lyric parrot
Hi guys, wanted to ask what you use for simming - i mean, do you import sample profile ? Do you import from bnet ? Or what ? ^^ ty for any help !
(or not even, just paste simc string straight into simulate?)
boreal patrol
depends on what I want to sim 😄 if I want to sim my char i do /simc or /SimPermut (with these addons installed) and copy paste it over
lyric parrot
Yes but where do you paste it ? Just into "simulate" or do you "import" a template (19NH assassination, for example)?
regal agate
either "import" tab "simc addon" or create a new tab in "simulation"(by pressing on the +) and paste it there
lyric parrot
Ok, thanks !
real briar
Hi, can someone explain me why simcraft opens with a kb and not the usual garotte openner ?
loud temple
how does one sim a potential relic change?
real briar
raidbots
swift haven
Anyone having issues when trying to sim with the ingame addon it wont open the Simc string when I /simc wont even enter the prompt
sly spindle
hey so like
im new to simming but
if i get stat weights
equip a new item
do i haev to calculate new stat weights
everytime i use a new item
worldly mesa
yes, but difference after one item will be negligible
cyan marsh
has anyone done any testing with the new legendaries? class rings yet?
worldly mesa
I watched analysis from teiko (exorsus), and crown is pretty good
but shoulders+wrists better, how I remember
maiden cargo
use center scale delta amd plots to find "breakpoints" in stat values or sim all day
worldly mesa
@cyan marsh yes, but it is in russian language)
cyan marsh
thats a shame
swift haven
Is anyone having an issue getting the data export from /simc in game addon? Its not even letting me enter the command
regal agate
works perfectly fine @swift haven
sly spindle
i notice when i do /simc
it gets the gear from my bags
im guessing i should probably not
use that at all when i copy it
regal agate
it just makes comment with the gear in your bags, thats for use with raibots gearing topgear feature @sly spindle (it does only sim your gear still so these lines get ignored).
torn dome
In other words. All lines after # are ignore
And as fuu pointed out are called comments
sly spindle
alright gotcha
fervent inlet
how do i sim different relics on my character? anyone can answer?
heavy moon
@fervent inlet theres a guide at the bottom of the sim c resource here or you can use raidbots.com
very easy with raidbots
graceful tundra
I don't really use simcraft often, can you sim the PTR stuff too or just live patches?
reef crane
Both
brittle phoenix
Is there a way to specify which build (ie. live vs ptr) i'm simming against for a profile or just the global options setting?
like i dont' want to sim against my current talents for ptr
i can just do permutations against just ptr and compare but it'd be nice to see it in that side by side
brittle phoenix
would be nice if i could say, in the profile "target=ptr/live" or something
round canyon
you can use ptr=1 in the profile iirc
torn dome
Ptr=1 before profile makes that profile sim ptr yes
And that pic is obviously not realistic
U have incorrect sim or broke something else
graceful tundra
Okay, how do I make sure my sim is accurate then? I just imported my char and put global options to sim both live and PTR
civic cradle
do you have the latest nightly
graceful tundra
I just downloaded simC from the 7.2.0 release 2
So I guess i'll have to get the nightly and go again
graceful tundra
How is rogue doing generally on PTR atm btw? Is Outlaw looking any good?
graceful tundra
A lot less exciting than my earlier one :p
Anyone have an idea why there is use of gouge in the rotation from the sim?
rustic wigeon
how much dps does concordance give?
rigid patrol
2much to pass
rustic wigeon
100k?
rigid patrol
Depends on stat weight
graceful tundra
Concordance gives about 0.5% ish
marsh ginkgo
simc uses gouge if you're specced into dirty tricks i think
graceful tundra
@marsh ginkgo I do have a talent in there, thanks
marsh ginkgo
np
graceful tundra
25k DPS on say an average DPS of 850k these days even comes out on 0.3% DPS Prozein
Concordance really isn't that amazing, but wouldn't pass up on it
rigid patrol
It's gud
graceful tundra
3%, not 0.3%**
rigid patrol
Tho 1agi = 22dps
graceful tundra
Yeah, but it's a proc, so during the proc you'll have that much extra DPS but overall it ends up being less
rigid patrol
So idk why 4000x22 doesn't work
graceful tundra
It isn't up 100% of the time, that's why it doesn't work :p
graceful tundra
Yeah, your burst will have the benefit of the 4k*22, but the downtime doesn't 😃
rustic wigeon
really? you don't calculate scaling? like what if it proc with execute bracers vendetta and KB with prolonged
it still gets measured evenly?
rigid patrol
What bracers have in common with agi
marsh ginkgo
spells scale w/ agi -> bracers amp spell dmg
rigid patrol
How?
marsh ginkgo
what do you mean
torn dome
Not really relevant for the channel. But poisons are based off attack power or in other words agi
graceful tundra
If poisons wouldn't scale off of agility then our poisons damage would be really low
civic cradle
You know what isn't logical design, PB proccing off rupture
rigid patrol
Doesn't high mastery + mp makes us poison depended?
torn dome
Yes
rigid patrol
Not fking agi
graceful tundra
Agility gives us base damage, mastery increases that damage
rigid patrol
Anyway poor design that agi scales with poisons
rustic wigeon
Agility: Increases the magnitude of your attacks and abilities
rigid patrol
Should be for pure melee aa/spells
The initial hit is fine but debuffs shouldn't scale
rustic wigeon
You should email blizzard
rigid patrol
I should reroll for mage
regal agate
you should move the discussion to the relevant channel 😉
gray imp
I'm noticing when I gearswap Frond before a boss in m+ it never procs during the fight (ICD)?
merry cloud
If memory serves blp for rppm resets when you gear swap. Which sounds logical
lime iron
quick question: for simming on ptr i just need so switch the version option from live to ptr ?
boreal patrol
yup, or use ptr=1 before the profile
make sure you have the latest nightly build though
long hull
Snd is higher for me https://gyazo.com/966c7eff0deeeb5ab019b7344b01c8ff
ionic eagle
you mean exactly the same
lime iron
hmm snd is a big dmg loss for me, did you changed anything else? @long hull
long hull
@lime iron nothing, you using latest nightly simc?
ornate canopy
Im sorry, this is probably a silly question, but I,m new to simming and I,ve followed the pinned guide and done it a few times to make sure its right . I notie that each time i sim the results of the pawn string differ. Is this normal ? Ive not changed any gear around. Thankyou 😃
civic cradle
outlaw?
ornate canopy
sorry no, assas
civic cradle
Your # of iterations is probably low
go to options and change them to 50,000
if you are resimming with the same gear and talents and getting different weights
ornate canopy
yes i am
regal agate
target error instead of iterations is probably better
civic cradle
but it takes 6 hours
for assass it should be fine to just increase the iterations
then the values are close enough
ornate canopy
okok i will do this iterations thingy then
and thankyou very much
and if you dont mind me being a bit of a dumb blonde, what are iterations ?
civic cradle
the number of times it will sim
for example if its a 5 minute patchwerk fight
it does it 50,000 times
to get you an accurate result
civic cradle
You're welcome 😄 feel free to ask anything you need
harsh narwhal
!legendaries
lucid plinth
newest simc is ptr build correct? or do I have to set it to somehting
regal agate
if you want to sim ptr you need to either put ptr=1 ontop of your simulations or change the version to "ptr" in the options
bleak sky
@long hull Are you using t20?
long hull
no
bleak sky
Bingo. SnD pulls ahead with t20 4p. Otherwise they are basically the same.
So does anyone have a guide on how to make simc do multiple simcs of gear/talents in one run?
long hull
write copy="name" and changed lines after that
wicked coral
@bleak sky you can also use the simcraftbot and do -ci for each compare you want to do super easy
graceful tundra
I'm trying to sim my bracers at 910 iLevel while the standard is lower, o I copy the id of the item + bonus id's from wowhead but every time I sim the item goes to a different iLevel than what I have displayed on wowhead
Any idea how i can fix this?
regal agate
just copy the id and add ,ilevel=910 (at the end of the line)
graceful tundra
Alright, thanks
regal agate
@graceful tundra its ilevel, not ilvl, my bad here is an example:
shoulders=mantle_of_the_master_assassin,id=144236,ilevel=960
graceful tundra
Yeah, changed it to ilevel and worked, thanks 😃
tacit rain
Would there be any reason to be wary of a trinket sim?
I got this http://www.wowhead.com/item=137373/tempered-egg-of-serpentrix&bonus=42:1517:1727:1808 (910 socketed with speed in case link was wrong) the other day on a freaking m0 Eye and according to the sims I did it was about a 10k dps loss over an 890 frond.
violet basin
I've got a question for all 12 outlaw players still out there: How are you interpretting the 7.2.5 changes with RTB and SnD in a raid setting? Should I start saving 900+ gear with Haste + Mastery because it is likely we will be swapping to SnD or is RtB still going to be the way to go? Anyone have Pawn Stat weights from their sims off characters on the PTR?
sinful kernel
So if u use slice and dice what does loaded dice give ?
long hull
30% stronger snd
glass juniper
Not sure if proper channel, but is the !relics sheet up to date? Doesn't seem so, does it?
heady geyser
with this simcraft bot is there anyway for when it sims for it to ahve the pawn string included
besides doing it on simcraft
late willow
us/server/name -s
maiden cargo
Is draught simming higher than frond on average?
naive nimbus
Draught is ok on short farm fights but I think more rogues using frond for progression
pure condor
frond progression 🤔
odd sedge
trying to sim http://www.wowhead.com/item=140819/vampiric-fetish&bonus=1477:3518&spec=260 but for some reason it doesnt show proper ilvl on simcraft
torn dome
Override ilvls like this:
main_hand=",id=120978,gem_id=140843/142184/140843/0,relic_id=0/0/0,relic_ilevel=925/925/925"
odd sedge
ah nice thanks
weird still says relics: { +52 ilevels, +58 ilevels, +59 ilevels }
and the first one should be equal to others
changing main_hand=",id=128872,bonus_id=742,relic_id=1477:3518/3517:1497:3336/3518:1502:3528,gem_id=140819/140817/140842/0
off_hand=,id=134552,relic_id=0/0,gem_id=0/0/0/0
to
main_hand=",id=128872,bonus_id=742,relic_id=1477:3518/3517:1497:3336/3518:1502:3528,gem_id=140819/140817/140842/0
off_hand=,id=134552,relic_id=0/0,gem_id=0/0/0/0,relic_ilevel=925/925/925"
doesnt do anything to both dps and ilvl
main badger
how are all the specs looking atm ... any sims on ptr specs ?
late willow
ptr option on simcraft works so test it out
proper cairn
hmm ptr enabled just simmed with last nightly but doesn't use toxic blade
is it work in progress?
regal agate
yesterdays changes are not in simc afaik. toxic blades is in the apl.
proper cairn
is it? how can I enable it ?
regal agate
put ptr=1 ontop of your simulation or change the version to ptr.
you need to spec it obviousely.
proper cairn
it's changed to ptr, the result shows that i have toxic blade talent but it's not used in the APL and doesn't show in damage graph
regal agate
download latest nightly, you may have a old version
still as i told aboth the latest changes are not in yet so if you want to sim those you need to wait for it to get implemented
proper cairn
using: simc-720-03-win64-808ad0b
torn dome
I dont remember version numbers on top of my head
If you ever want accurate sims you have to use latest nightly
And link is pinned in case you cant find it
torn dome
Drag the html here
proper cairn
torn dome
Well.
Add actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=debuff.kingsbane.up&dot.kingsbane.remaining<9
Under the racials in apl
proper cairn
thanks
torn dome
Or actually you have to use remaining<8 as new change isnt in yet
Not a big diff but anyways
proper cairn
works like a charm thank you
torn dome
👌
gaunt gale
definitely
cerulean junco
well its poison damage, but is it a poison like deadly poison. since the new wording only buffs their damage
gaunt gale
testing on PTR shows it still impacts envenom too, so we're not certain
ionic eagle
kingsbane is definitely classified as a poison
gaunt gale
it actually says "poisons" now, not "poison damage"
also this may be the wrong channel
frail cedar
excuse me
i don't play rogue often so i dont know this channel well but
are there any sims to show tier 20 4pc vs 2pc vs 0pc?
limpid rose
So... how does rogue look in Tomb? What specs are competitive?
regal agate
all changes are in the latest nightly version
you can evaluate yourself but dont expect everything to be optimal at the moment or numbers not to change
graceful tundra
Is there any list yet of the dps sims of all specs for 7.2.5?
regal agate
no
graceful tundra
How do I simulate 2 different imports to compare them to each other?
regal agate
<gear profile (rename to anything relatable>
copy=namefor2ndone
<gear profile2>
graceful tundra
Alright, thanks
cerulean solar
why am I not getting as much damage out of kingsbane on live as on my sims, in all my sims kingsbane is top dps, on live it's like 3rd, 4th
cerulean solar
dpe ?
cerulean solar
oh im so fucking blind, :)) now I see
noble marten
vagrant quail
sim bot is down ?
regal agate
works @vagrant quail
proper cairn
Mmm latest nigthly was a huge dps in rease for my sin
regal agate
ye becouse the latest ptr changes where added 😉
proper cairn
juicy TB 😃
late willow
huge? Mine was about 20k increase from live to ptr
proper cairn
i was 40k behind now 20k above = 60k over 840k is a huge increase for me around 7.5%
late willow
Yeah before I was 20k behind now Im 20k ahead at 1mill
mystic jolt
Simc is telling me one gearset is better (at 906k), while raidbots is telling me that that same gearset is at 876k dps and that a different gearset is better. Which one should I believe?
Both simc and raidbots were at 25k iterations and on a 5 min fight
regal agate
what simc version did you configur raidbots to use?
mystic jolt
weekly 720-03
and I used the june 3rd simc
Simc had the higher dps gearset, i just took what raidbots used for the profile
Simc didn't give the same dps output for whatever reason, but it's the same set
wait no it didn't
Figured it out, somehow had 3 legendaries in the simc
pastel sundial
dpe = damage per execute - so you get the most dmg out of kings bane
but thats not the same like the % of your total dmg
so while kingsbane does most dmg per execute (or per cast) it still isnt overall your highest dmg scource cause it has a cooldown of 30-40 sec ..depending on procs
tiny relic
which one of 3 specs simulates higher,on current ptr build?
sinful heart
Does anyone know how to add toxic blade to simcraft? I saw the line above, but when I added it to cooldowns it returned and error.
willow crest
proper cairn
@sinful heart : actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=debuff.kingsbane.up&dot.kingsbane.remaining<9
civic cradle
why do you wait for KB to toxic blade, the cooldown is over 10 sec faster
gaunt gale
shouldn't be that far apart? KB with DP should be more like 30-31sec IIRC?
proper cairn
31.1s
novel lava
i tried that line and i get an error too
proper cairn
which error, worked great for me
otherwise go to www.raidbots.com and use the PTR check
novel lava
Player Zolbarr action toxic_blade : Unable to decode expression function 'dot.kingsbane.remaining'
Zolbarr-toxic_blade: Unable to build expression tree from debuff.kingsbane.up&dot.kingsbane.remaining<9
manic oracle
actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=debuff.kingsbane.up&debuff.kingsbane.remains<9.1
sinful heart
I ended up just copying simcraft addon over to PTR and running simcraft the program as PTR. seemed to work great
novel lava
i tried adding that line but it didn't change how simcraft used toxic blade at all
bleak sky
There is no need to add Toxic Blades to Simc
If it's not there then it will never work cause the simc version you are using is outdated.
So if it's not working for you go download the newest nightly
Then reimport your character to get a new apl
novel lava
the sim is using toxic blade
i have the latest version
i wanted to change how the sim was using toxic blade
because default apl is probably a dps loss over common sense feelycraft
bleak sky
How are you wanting to use it
What conditions
I can write it
actions.cds+=/toxic_blade,if=debuff.kingsbane.up&debuff.kingsbane.remains<9.1?
So if I understand this write you are wanting to save it and use it when KB has 9s left?
right*
Foudn the main problem
It's not considered a cd
it goes under maintain
1.015m vs 988k
It's a major dps loss to save it for KB
Here is the line you want thou
actions.maintain+=/toxic_blade,if=debuff.kingsbane.up&debuff.kingsbane.remains<9.1
Do you want to know why this is a loss?
Because KB has a cd of ~30s with the golden
So you've increased the cd of TB from 25s to 31s if you wait for KB to hit 9s
thats 2.4 upm vs 1.93 upm
novel lava
the difference is 2%, might depend on legendaries and there could well be situations where you would want to do this that aren't patchwerk
to call it a major dps loss is a stretch
thank you for explaining to me why i couldn't get the apl to work for me, i'm useless at that stuff 😄
bleak sky
It was with t20 and Shoulders/Wrists btw
np
Here is a more nuanced iteration
actions.maintain+=/toxic_blade,if=combo_points.deficit>=1+(mantle_duration>=gcd.remains+0.2)&dot.rupture.remains>8&!cooldown.kingsbane.up
6k dps gain over old line
Basically if the KB cd is up and ready to use it won't use TB beforehand
vagrant quail
what is better using Tb on CD or delaying a cast to KB ?
if you delay youre missing 1 cast every 2-3m minutes no ?
novel lava
that's cool
vagrant quail
KB cd is +- 30-31s TB is 25 but you need to wait for the last 9 seconds so we are delaying TB for 6s + 5s for a total of 11s its like half cd of delay
maybe its not better to use on CD and line with Kb once every 2 casts ?
bleak sky
You don't delay
It only delays if the KB cd is already up and ready to go
Cause simc is stupid.
I'm just telling it to use TB after KB instead of before if KB cd is up
lucid plinth
Is there a way to disable t19 set bonus in SIm and enable t20 to compare the 2pc/4pc themselves?
bleak sky
Yes
set_bonus=tier19_2pc=0
set_bonus=tier19_4pc=0
set_bonus=tier20_2pc=1
set_bonus=tier20_4pc=1
1=enabled
0=disabled
bleak sky
you can do that or change the setting in globals under options
willow pecan
kinda technical issue question...
anyone got a 4K monitor and uses SimCraft?
there are some scaling issues with the program. probably nothing we can do about it.
but maybe there is a solution?
jolly wraith
Something special I need to set in the options before simulating my Outlaw with SimCraft on live build? There used to be a notice about it on the pinned messages, but I can't find it
gaunt gale
best to use target error, rather than a specific number of iterations
meager orchid
hey guys
have there been updated sims for latest ptr builld?
like what spec will be best and legendaries?
finite thunder
@meager orchid its pinned on ass/outl/sub tabs
royal elk
Anyone have the latest outlaw relic sim from the PTR?
meager orchid
pinned?
royal elk
@meager orchid The one I can find is for 7.2
I saw something yesterday or so for the 7.2.5
royal elk
not in the outlaw for 7.2.5 @finite thunder
finite thunder
it is
royal elk
I see the guide, the RtB tactic for 7.2.5 and the simulation for set + legendaries
finite thunder
7.2.5 simulations(3rd tab):
https://goo.gl/MPJwUQ
Credits to @torn dome
Note: Read the notes ont the simulation in #tc-updates
Note: 2p hybrid = t19 mythic 2p + t20 heroic 2p
that what is pinned there
ohhh
you want relic sims?
royal elk
yea ^^
finite thunder
dont think they have done that
royal elk
I've seen one, guess it will come back later tho 😃
tidal lodge
How's Soul of the Shadowblade performing?
ruby narwhal
If no more changes are comming to the ptr (which there most likely will) which spec would you start putting ap in? Myself i think i'd be outlaw, simply cause of the great ST (stronger than assa/sub on ptr) & theres plenty of cleave/aoe fights in NH aswell
round canyon
there's something cripplingly wrong with MFD on the PTR sims and i am too stupid to figure out exactly what's going on.
https://gyazo.com/0da221768b0115c5fd2e00414d61f41d
it appears that taking MFD actually lowers your damage somehow
but I can't find any specific reason why
round canyon
removing the precombat line for MFD produces this result
https://gyazo.com/f0baccbba00582d1155358948b1581c1
actions.precombat+=/marked_for_death,if=raid_event.adds.in>40
this line to be specific
vague olive
@round canyon can I see the github you're working with or
onyx tide
regal agate
wowhead has a big database with sort functions, you can search there 😃
marble depot
Have there been any simulations done on high movement fights & how do I go about simming the latest PTR changes?
regal agate
you download the latest nightly build from http://goo.gl/AsZkjr, start simc -> go to the option tab and change version to ptr.
you likely want to change your talents (http://ptr.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/subtlety) depening.
grand ridge
quick question, on the sim I see T20 hybrid, what are the items you use (sub with leg gloves+wrists)
o: ?
regal agate
hybrid = t19 2p + t20 2p.
i added that as a note below the link in the spec specific channels
boreal patrol
FYI: The bug causing the PTR issue with MfD in simc should be fixed in the next nightly build. It may also be a noticebale dps difference (for both live and PTR)
torn dome
Live too really
civic kestrel
thanks, increase i suppose?
bleak sky
Anyone know how to check if SnD has been empowered by LD?
maiden cargo
How's the new TB sims? Garbage?
brittle phoenix
anyone got t19 vs t20 sims?
long hull
it's pinned in spec chanels
slim oar
It's going to be a hybrid 2pc 4pc as best, watch. Which, i don't know how that's going to work with shoulders/hands being important
proper cairn
is it me only or the sin APL on PTR has changed again ? it makes a funny usage of vanish window pooling 1.7s
upbeat gyro
Any info on ToS trinkets?
regal agate
they are in simc you can sim them 😃
latent slate
!trinkets
maiden cargo
yo how does the new version of simc work with the bag stuff?
rustic abyss
on ptr, there is no agonizing poison for sin rogues. so if i sim my live rogue (with ap talent) with ptr sim, does it automatically switches out ap with toxic blade talent and sims correctly?
maiden cargo
is there a way to make switches so you dont have to manually switch the item?
within the program
rustic abyss
use raidbots for that, @maiden cargo
lunar trout
@rustic abyss The Action Priority List will not know to use the new ability. You have to add that to the APL. I don't have the string copied unfortunately, but you should be able to do a quick search of #assassination for it. Hope this helps! 😃
rustic abyss
@lunar trout yes, thank you. im asking, because i just played around with raidbots and there is a checkbox for ptr. so i trid that out and noticed im simming equally for ptr and live which made me wonder how this works.
split sorrel
It should IIRC
Mystler added it
Else it'll be fixed for Tuesday, I'm gonna make a big overhaul of all APLs for the release
rustic abyss
@lunar trout, @split sorrel thank you
lunar trout
@rustic abyss It seems it's just an issue with Raidbots; different results using the application even though Raidbots is set to Nightly mode + PTR flag. The application correctly swaps talent and poison. However, it still won't use Toxic Blade without the APL adjustment.
rustic abyss
@lunar trout i see, i will set up simc with the new apl later then and try it out. ty
boreal patrol
the APL will use Toxic Blade, however you have to delete the imported apl so it will use the default one
tulip nest
Heyo, does anyone have a link to a raidbots report with the incorrect behavior?
Oh, nvm, requires a custom APL right now?
torn dome
Naa.
Just ran a simple ptr1 via in game simc import in raidbots
Used toxib blad normally
gusty laurel
guys does anyone know how the armor stands in our class hall works??
nova girder
Wrong Channel mate