I also still use MA x3
#tc-research
idle harbor
maiden cargo
what ilvl are the relics
maiden cargo
i think they are still good at the same item level
idle harbor
since I got CoF
maiden cargo
but its not worth going down so much
if you have the trinket youd want to keep the 3
maiden cargo
what are your other stats
idle harbor
4% haste and 8% vers
I need to replace my healm so badly, its 885 with haste and vers...
maiden cargo
you may wanna try with more crit but you dont want to get rid of alot of mastery for it
idle harbor
hmm, I could try swapping 1 ring enchant and using crit food
maiden cargo
i have like 140% mastery and 35% crit
snow tinsel
with the new simcraft with 135% mastery I sim higher in exanguinate specc
Is this correct?
maiden cargo
not sure, im simming higher with exsang but im only using like 90% mastery
silent igloo
Hey, i just wanna confirm something. I got as sub rogue 1,059 haste (2.82%) and simulationcraft still tells me, that haste is lowest priority. Im fear the simulation isnt working ocrrect...
silent igloo
ook, that puts me at ease... last addon i ran into the issue of neglecting haste on my firemage (i ended up with 0.59% haste 😄 )
toxic ridge
Has anyone else simmed trinkets for Sin yet? Im seeing the frond being better than CoF, anyone else seeing that?
static flax
Hey guys, how does mantle do for outlaw versus the other leggos?
maiden cargo
i think mantle is pretty good for all of the specs, from what ive seen simmed
you can check this http://simc.aethys.eu/
static flax
I figured vanish as another dps cooldown that true bearing affects is neat
idle harbor
how is kil'jeaden's compared to other legendaries?
static flax
Sick shit, thanks lok. 2nd for single target I imagine is still bracers?
split sorrel
guys, this kind of discussion belongs to #228878985210101760 or #off-topic
static flax
Oh my bad, I wasn't sure where to ask.
velvet ibex
uuuh @split sorrel I haven't really kept track of things lately, but I'm guessing we're still playing anticipation when we get 4set right? I mean right now, atleast for me, it's a 1% difference with DS
serene scarab
Is there a reason Frond scales so well for rogues, but no other class in the game? Does it work with agonizing or vendetta?
mystic jacinth
shoudl be scaling for enhancement a shit ton too
split sorrel
yes @mystic jacinth
serene scarab
From windfury procs i assume?
quartz halo
Frond was so shit when i used it on PTR
fleet cloak
frond sims the highest for me of all the nh trinks
serene scarab
it does for me aswell, about 25k higher than CoF. But why is it so good, what does it scale with
neon fractal
so...I was doing my Time Walking today and got Draught of Souls...should I use this as a rogue? any of the specs?
maiden cargo
that sims pretty well i think but haste is not very good
maybe outlaw it would be good
neon fractal
I figured it would be outlaw.
naive birch
in simc how much is frond damage increasing per stack?
what %
because on live it appears to be 50%
snow tinsel
where can I find how much % damage improvement the tiersetbonusses give?
light scaffold
!aethys
shadow lance
Hey where can I find the last simcraft with the little nerf on AP? 0,5% or smthg
velvet ibex
how can I sim draught of souls? what do I add to the apl?
tight furnace
Am I doing something wrong. Downloaded nightly. Outlaw. Haste simming higher than agil? Dafuq?
abstract plover
autumn jungle
!trinkets
spark night
Does anyone have the link to the most recent simcraft download with the newest nerfs?
Sorry if that's been posted somewhere
ah nvm I see they were added yesterday morning but if anyone has the link to the nightlies dl page that would be great
disregard
idle phoenix
I installed a new version on simcraft, but now I can't find the normalized stat weights to enter into pawn
Anyone able to assist?
lilac ice
!trinkets
idle phoenix
!trinkets
dry bison
!trinkets
valid saddle
@idle phoenix have you checked your options? Need to enable scaling and tick of mastery etc.
acoustic rose
should i be using prydaz as outlaw
tight furnace
So just confirm we tick scaling and tick agil vers haste crit mast?
I did that and it still says haste is > agil
desert moss
Are Duskwalkers still good after the nerf?
tight furnace
Also do you guys use average/good/elite? I'm still pretty shit at my rotation/staying on bosses, should I use average?
maiden cargo
what waiting % do you guys usually get when you sim assa rogue?
fallow nest
Is the Entwined Elemental Foci simming accurately?
round canyon
what kind of results are you seeing?@fallow nest
fallow nest
Shitty
round canyon
it should be slightly worse than an equal ilevel memento
so compared to all other nighthold trinkets it is pretty shitty
dusk kestrel
I can't find any sims of generic assa rogues comparing trinkets. Can anyone help me?
The NH trinkets specifically*
austere sorrel
Think it depends heavily on the fight, what your legendaries are etc
Isnt just a simple answer
dusk kestrel
Alright, so CoF isn't just strictly better than all other trinkets for rogues? That's good to hear
If that's the case
austere sorrel
If you're running x3 master assassin without legenadary boots, it's probably better for pretty much everything
But idk, still looking into it
dusk kestrel
I'd be super interested if you find out anything. I don't main rogue so my focus is elsewhere, but I find this trinket super interesting ^^
glossy hearth
So, slightly retarded question here, but how do i sim different foods?, i tried adding "actions.precombat+=/food,name=fishbrul_special" to the overrides tab, but it seems to just ignore it, and it didnt give an error?
God damn thats bad formatting, sorry.
rough fable
!trinkets
dusk kestrel
@glossy hearth try actions.precombat+=/food,type=fishbrul_special
glossy hearth
Kay, hold on
autumn jungle
!trinkets
glossy hearth
No dice, it still gives me seedbattered_fish_plate under "Constant buffs"
Also no error either
maiden cargo
copy rogue t19m profile
replace with your gear
change the line about food
you can't change 1 line of apl at a time that I know of without specifying everything else
glossy hearth
ah, well then lol
Seems just importing my own char, and putting the APL into overrride, and then changing the food worked fine, thanks ^^
hexed plover
!trinkets
tight furnace
If I just eat and flask and rune and then /simc will that include the buffs in my sim?
icy prawn
worn rampart
lament citrus
Is there any reason why mos sims higher than wep master all of a sudden for sub with latest build?
night agate
Has anyone simmed the trinkets for sub?
vocal moss
715-01 latest vers?
scarlet mango
on the current version of simcraft it says AP still does 4%, is that a tooltip bug or?
feral crystal
It's hard coded
scarlet mango
ok ty
jagged basalt
maiden cargo
helm>chest>legs>shoulder/cloak>gloves
tribal scroll
Commands dont work in this channel, go to simple questions or general to use the bot
Also any questions that can be answered with the !simc command will be deleted for redundancy
gaunt pelican
are relics/ 4pc bonus sims up to date?
gaunt pelican
i have newest simc nightly build
split sorrel
and in case you want to give a try to nightlies : http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D
then it's okay for relics & 4p
only trinket is something no one knows yet
especially since they'll hotfix trinkets according to this : https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/821527210695671812
split sorrel
this is what is displayed despite being showed as "mean"
it's not item id, it's the trait directly
maiden cargo
where do i find trinket sims for NH
split sorrel
http://simc.aethys.eu/ for more reports than what is on my spreadsheet. (Relics & Trinkets)
Do remember that some trinket implementation may not reflect what is ingame due to Blizzard multiple hotfixes.
silent yarrow
does anyone know how i sim different relics that i have
regal agate
if you dont want to replace them(and own them) you can use an addon like f.ex. simbuilder for that.
else you can replace the relic id's in your simc input string (you can get the id's from wowhead f.ex)
silent yarrow
oh wow thanks thanks i didnt know that
silent yarrow
i have 3 relics that reduce vendetta cd by 10 seconds but in sims im only casting vendetta 4.2 times
is there an issue with my rotation
split sorrel
probably in the APL yes, I updated it before MA & Boots nerf
snow tinsel
I dont get this, I Sim rather high with MP/Vigor/Exanguinate, But alot lower with the normal with EP/Vigor/Exanguinate while I switched most of my mastery gear
like 25k lower
sonic root
fellas , any NH trinket bis list for ass?>
odd sedge
Damm, subtlety simming 80k dps lower for me 😦 granted I have boots for assassination and just cloak and ring for sub
wooden dragon
kk on the new nightlu build
y*
the kiljeadens burning wish wont use the "use" effect
how do i fix the apl to make it use it?
(sorry noob on simc)
young steppe
but then the food is wrong 😦
maiden cargo
!sim
glass apex
So it seems that the Exsanguinate Build with Elaborate Planning and "Mantle of the Master Assassin" + "Zoldyck Family Training Shackles" ist the new to go Build ? It sims a lot higer than AP Build with Boots and Wrist... (newest simC nightlie build)
maiden cargo
can you guys help me sim myself, poeple post download links to sims, that are just a big lost of files, dont know how to ge it
glass apex
@maiden cargo go to: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/?C=M;O=D and download: SimcSetup-715-01-Win64.exe
maiden cargo
ty
final pendant
is it possible that simulationcraft overstimates the nightbane chest + eoc combo (875ilvl and 860ilvl)? because i sim my char and i see haste=~vers=~mastery>crit
late willow
1900 crit is strong
maiden cargo
Does the new simcraft include the recent hotfixes and is Anticipation still bugged for sub and if so, is that also included in simcraft?
tight furnace
SnD simming higher than RtB for me with both 'average' and 'good' selected
am i doing i wrong?
wooden dragon
@split sorrel thanks! Kil`jeadens burning wish is working on sims ! ty!
gaunt gale
@tight furnace you probably aren't doing anything wrong, but your simulation is probably making mistakes in RtB logic that make it worse than SnD, because you have it set to lower skill
tough gulch
hmmmm so Simming for Exang/EP/DS my dps w/ my mastery set on is even. But the second i start stacking crit/vers my dps goes down 10k... Any insight?
maiden cargo
Hi, I'm a retard when it comes to simulations & I'm about to hit 110 on my rogue. I find subt and combat equally fun, which should I choose for my raiding guild?
might have asked in the wrong channel, yup
hearty heart
anyone got rough stat weights for outlaw?
hollow root
Does stable release of simc include the 17.01 hotfixes (AP nerf etc) or do I still have to download nightly?
maiden cargo
anyone got sub full weapon sim? 54?
cant find it in sims and i wanna sim my sub with 54
split sorrel
use wowhead
maiden cargo
yeah cant find it on wowhead
winter wraith
is that where gem ID's come from?
regal agate
@maiden cargo
http://www.wowhead.com/artifact-calc/rogue/subtlety/
skill what you want then klick on "link" and copy the simc string to your imput string.
ember radish
Does anyone have trinket sims including the NH trinkets? I dont know how to sims trinkets
left notch
check #announcements
bleak cobalt
Im sorry Im not in this channel often, but the bleed for assass set bonus, it doesnt crit in my sim, is that supposed to be like that?
split sorrel
yes.
bleak cobalt
well that sucks, thanks
heady geyser
Does anyone have a list with the new trinkets?
wanton shell
has anyone simmed the t19 for sin?
and whether it is worth going for hemmo and / or envenom?
sorry for not doing it myself
i just got 2 pieces from normal and guild wants to know
heady geyser
And is gemming straight Vandetta still worth?
left finch
Assasin bonuses are among the best among all set bonuses
wanton shell
but does it make it worth going for hemmo with exsa?
heady geyser
shouldnt you be taking master poisner anyway?
odd sedge
celadriel, according to what?
thin hemlock
which nightly simc has the latest hotfix? seems like everyone i downloaded still shows AP at 4%
royal laurel
anyone got sub trinket sims?
undone beacon
so how's the nerf to sin boots? does it affect anything?
still holly
Lost 52k dps with the nerfs from today rip
wanton shell
2 set sin did 11 million for me in star augur normal
desert oasis
11?!
sly scroll
Guys, there's something I don't understand... Subtlety rogue here.
-First sim with my actual stuff and 150 mastery gems : 476k dps / Values : Agility=14.19, CritRating=9.02, HasteRating=7.27, MasteryRating=9.10, Versatility=10.13
-Second sim I switch 150 mastery gems to 150 versatilty : 475k dps / Values : Agility=13.93, CritRating=8.98, HasteRating=7.04, MasteryRating=9.39, Versatility=9.98
=> SimC keeps saying versa>mastery, but I sim higher with mastery than with versa 😒 !
edit : shadowcraft also says versa>mastery, and sims higher with versa gems
rough charm
I need help, I suck at subtlety rogue. I can only hit around 220k DPS single target on a dummy. But shadow craft says I should be MUCH higher.
I want to be good but I suck
kindred epoch
@split sorrel sorry if it's a BS question, but some people in the discord are telling me that SIM is under evaluating AP. My Exs build simms higher than AP by 5K. I don't know who to trust anymore 😦
split sorrel
then ask them proof and share it with us
kindred epoch
Thank you , just wanted to confirm if there were any Sim Problem i was not aware of
midnight silo
Thx @split sorrel for all da work ❤
split sorrel
there is probably
but it's minor
also, remember every sims are tied to a context.
late willow
@split sorrel Thanks for the fix on KBW, looks like its hitting for the correct amount now in this latest build
late willow
Is there a way to make the auto generated apl not wait for vendetta or lust for a trinket?
for on use trinket
kindred epoch
Aethys would you relocate to Dh discord ? i'd like this kind of work somewhere else othen than rogue
late willow
hehe
kindred epoch
This discord is so well documented it's unreal
undone beacon
Did anyone sim the boots nerf?
late willow
Yeah all the upper management guys here work hard. ❤ to all of them
late willow
I think with boots you want 2MA or 3MA and then CoF is pretty good with either one
3MA puts the CD of vendetta a few seconds below 45s, 2MA puts it a few seconds above vendetta
with CoF
still holly
So i still want CoF > botanist or gul'dan trinket?
stray laurel
can someone confirm the simc version downloadablesince today has the latest AP and boots nerfs built in please?
late willow
It does
stray laurel
thx
so when it says I go from 565k to 587k by just equiping a 3rd MA relic it is accurate?
fresh needle
is there a way to make simc delay using kings/exsang to wait for vendetta?
twilit horizon
can someone tell me how I can sim another spec for my class? Found the artifact string but how about the code for cooldowns/builders/finishers?
royal oak
team, have they moved the pawn string from SimC? cant find it in latest version
frail quarry
Under what pin cna U find the latest sim thing download?
I, not u*
@split sorrel is the pin from last sunday with the nerfs applied this tue/wed?
frail quarry
You need to attack faster than, hue hue hue
frail quarry
That seems really underwhelming
novel lava
everybody says frond does zero damage for them apart from 1 guy
he linked a log of it dealing 4.5% of his damage
and then sims have it dealing craazy damage
sullen dagger
it deals 1.5-2.5% of my damage
compact shell
Where can I find a BiS list for nighthold?
hasty zephyr
@compact shell what spec ?
compact shell
Assassination
compact shell
And so what about trinkets? :)
hasty zephyr
too hard with trinkets
One must be Nightblooming Frond
But other one... looks like every trinkets have same profit.
Eye of Guarm i think will be good with 3k agility.
uneven moat
@split sorrel anticipation is simming pretty poorly, is that due to the bug or just being a worse talent in general?
hasty zephyr
Today I received "Mantle of the Master Assassin" 940 in Nighthold. Need to test.
compact shell
I just got 895 nightblooming frond trinket :) Problem is I don't know what to pair it with. I have 870 Tempered Egg of Serpentrix, or 880 Spontaneous Appendages.
weary parcel
sim it? kappa
split sorrel
@uneven moat depends on gear
split sorrel
interesting, what version ?
uneven moat
yesterdays
royal oak
whats the new opener for assa with vigor and agonising poison?
hasty zephyr
@weary parcel it is obvious that mantle give more dps. But i have Insignia and Valeera. Valeera give me powerfull mobility and lifetime in mythic :\
@royal oak same. Garrota, Artifact, Muti, Vanish, Rapture and roll it.
maiden cargo
garotte mut rupture mut mut vanish rupture vendetta kb
royal oak
i think its garrote, mutil, rupture, mutil, vendetta, mutil, vanish, rupture, kings
royal oak
fair
royal oak
tru
dusty blaze
!trinkets
uneven moat
@split sorrel actually anticipation is slightly higher in ST with boots/bracers and considerably less than DS in cleave with bracers/cloak. this is with yesterday's nightly build.
weary parcel
@hasty zephyr i meant twiqs, not you. 😛 mantle is really nice tho, got it myself earlier today
vernal mason
Bis trinkets for assassin with Nighthold ? any list ?
dense musk
Is Simcraft updated for tier gear?
molten pelican
guys which tier parts is petter to pick up as sin ?
wanton shell
aethys
did the 2p for sin show such a high damage output?
got ti from normal it did 11m on tichondrius
on its own
41 traits
molten pelican
guys which tier parts is petter to pick up as sin ?
wanton shell
non haste vers pieces
raven tulip
probably helm, pants, cloak and chest/shoulders (dependent on EX or AP)
first three have no haste, last two have the last amount of haste
chest has mastery, shoulders have crit
molten pelican
so ?
everything except ?
hands are shit , right ?
!items
guys, is there any theme on reddit with bis gear for exsang ?
glossy lynx
@hasty zephyr, nightblooming frond is shitty trinket
simc shows rly wrong value of it
it is doing somewhere around 1-3% per pull
check logs
buoyant parcel
it got patched i think so simc is still using the old version
tight furnace
This is me. Simming haste higher than agil? And SnD considerably higher than RtB... does that seem right? (I know my gear is shit, new toon) http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/frostmourne/Blackfÿre/simple
steep cedar
for assassination: convergence without boots. is it worth putting in MA relics and if so how many?
odd sedge
sim it.
steep cedar
dont have it yet
odd sedge
dont have what?
odd sedge
you dont need to have it?
steep cedar
eh true but im more asking to know whether it's worth rolling on it
cuz im raiding atm
odd sedge
go read the sim guide on #rules-and-guides
steep cedar
cool i will thanks
hard kettle
This fond trinket seems erratic, im not sure its as good as ppl think it is
glossy lynx
check general discussion nezarr
steep cedar
god thats a terrible crop lol
tropic plinth
lol i know thats what i found on a forum tho
winter wraith
sub is simming haste as my highest stat right now. that seems widly innacurate?\
winter wraith
8%
heavy aspen
why wouldd sub suck for mythic?
heavy aspen
I dont believe that to factual
steep cedar
no reason to play if you are a competitive guild
i mean believe whatever you want. I'll trust the sims
heavy aspen
your personal sim or online sim? Online is assass on bottom champ
tight furnace
Does everyone sim with 'Elite' set in options?
flat fog
!trinkets
sharp dagger
Another question I had was...what do I do with the sim results?
dense tide
sharp dagger
Sure thing
manic oracle
can someone confirm if assa 2t19 works like ignite (e.g. if i just spam mut's i'm not gonna loose its damage)?
steep cedar
what do you mean?
hard kettle
i think he means if u hit mut, the bleed will then apply off of the dmg of that mutilate, but if he hits another mut right away, that bleed will add itself on to the already applied bleed
im not sure it works like that
maiden cargo
I think it just refreshed the dot, it doesn't pandemic either
steep cedar
doesnt need to pandemic since you always refresh it 😄
stuck cradle
Nightblooming Fond 890 for sin?
lean nebula
supple flicker
Hey guys, what's the general opinion on covergence of fates for assassination?
sullen dagger
i got an 875 frond
last night
very underwhelming @stuck cradle
granted, i only used it for 2 fights
but it was about 2% of my overall dmg
sullen dagger
unless its bugged right now, which some people are saying
i'm just saying i used it for 2 fights last night, and it was pretty underwhelming
tiny echo
EoC + stack still?
pearl egret
whats the Bis trinked now for assasin rogues guys?
naive birch
right here...
is frond going up by the base amount with each stack?
like 1000 -> 2000 -> 3000
because on live it goes 1000 -> 1500 -> 2000 -> 2500
steep cedar
does any know of moroes trinkets works with 4p for sin?
lilac vine
it's not an ability, therefore it does not
steep cedar
makes sense but it was worth asking
lilac vine
sure
orchid bramble
What is the deal with kingsbane simming so low? Is it not applying vendetta?
vivid siren
at work so i cant use simc but does anyone know how to change your artifact weapons in AMR?
I can change specs but I cant change weapons
sacred forge
I have a question about the action priority list in simcraft. Is there a way to blacklist a spell or item from being used by the API?
It counts my engineering helmet use during the fight, but it can only be used once, and share potion cooldown
so, technically, it is never used. But, the API uses it every 60 second regardless
hard kettle
has anyone heard anything about this upcoming trinket hotfixes?
gleaming root
i dont have 4 set, but can i add it to my simcraft somehow so it count as i got it ? 😃
brave parcel
if im at 26% crit, 125% masty, 6% Vers as MP VIG AP, whats going wrong and why is DS still simming over VIG
what do i need more or less of
halcyon vortex
thats what im asking
tired hatch
Sub rogue: should I believe my sim when it tells me versa: 0,72 > mastery 0,69 even with only 8k mastery and 7k versa... Others I see have way more mastery and seemingly doing more dmg
hard hull
are the appendus trink buff live?
sterile ether
!trinkets
lofty lily
@tired hatch stats will depend on ur gear aswell. like trinket u have etc
calm nymph
do many of you sim better with EP/Exsang now vs. MP/AP with the AP nerf ?
toxic ridge
I sim slightly better with EP/exang, but i dont think I'm efficient enough with EP to make it actually better
left notch
yes
lament citrus
so i just downloaded latest sim build
and boots(910) + shoulders (940) sims 53k higher than botos (910) + bracers (910) for a basic patchwerk
any chance that is possible
or sims not optimized?
for sub that is
left notch
what shoulders ?
left notch
they are really good
so yes I think that's possible but I'm not the best sub resource
lament citrus
thanks! well aetys can help i guess since he has them as well
will just wait for him 😃
jaunty cliff
exsang simming ahead of ap now for anyone?
lament citrus
@left notch what speccs are you playing? shoulders + insig sim stupidly high for outlaw and assa as well
split compass
left notch
pretty sure the shoulders are bis for all 3 specs
sterile gale
lament citrus
the assa synergy seems crazy with the nightstalker opener dots and the fact that you can get full cp, you can go 100% vers/mastery
and the vanish rupture is crazy as well...
brave parcel
what stats do you want for 2130131 spec for assassination
drowsy vale
!relic
reef crow
maiden cargo
@sterile gale Yeah, I am not sure if outlaw is simming correctly, showing a big increase for SnD as well
lilac ridge
im simming 11k higher with SnD
lilac ridge
im actually down to play outlul if i can use snd
tight furnace
^^ same. Had a crack at a dummy though and it was still fucking rubbish.
maiden cargo
I do have the one ring that has increased autoattack might be the difference but didnt think it would be that big a diff
grave burrow
IS there an up-to-date (NH) Trinket ranking for Outlaw
tight furnace
Yep
empty moss
So I rolled a heroic socketed nightblooming frond, I have an 875 urn, and a 860 EoC with the chest piece on atm to boost it. I have 8460 mastery, 9722 crit,2861 vers. I have 2 other chest pieces as well one is 880 Mastery>haste, other is 890 Vers>Haste. Do I wear the 880 nightbane chest or swap, and which 2 trinkets
inb4 sim it
split sorrel
Shoulders are OP for Sub and Outlaw yes
Thanks to World of True Bearing and Flickering Shadows
maiden cargo
so looking at Aeths latest sims, we want Frond and CoF from NH, or even Draught even though it has haste 😄
recursive seems strong but I didnt know it was that high
glossy topaz
All these changes have my sims in disarray
strong gorge
Most fights were actually quite rogue friendly
glossy topaz
I got a 900 lvl cof but my damage is down from last week
iron obsidian
How do I see the rotation that simc does?
crimson hinge
@iron obsidian either in the APL in an armory-import simulate tab OR in results, expand the Action Priority and then sample sequence
strong gorge
(Or furthest down and read: Profile)
iron obsidian
gracias mucho
strong gorge
A tip is to try and understand the logic in the APL. Under Action Priority it says the same as in the Profile, but a bit easier to understand.
iron obsidian
Thanks, the sample sequence makes it extremely easy to read
iron obsidian
So i'm following the sample sequence for outlaw, and it pops AR when its 50 energy, in the opener. So it goes Ambush -> AR ( 50 en still) -> saber slash -> run through. Is that a correct opener?
There's a GS after the AR
cursive dock
hello fellow shadows. how to set sims to only count 2 buff for the whole fight?
for outlul
am I at the wrong channel?
bleak cobalt
Is there a nightly build that includes the buff hotfix for SA already?
molten pelican
which buff?
bleak cobalt
the damage done by the spontaneous appendages generated by Spontaneous Appendages has been increased by 65%.
the one in the patch notes
haughty needle
Where is the best place for me to talk openers?
warped adder
Hello guys, can someone link me the lastest version of simulationcraft?
elfin quartz
dude you got it linked in another channel right beneath you.
kind summit
hm my 940 insignia sims 10k higher then my assa bracers
elfin quartz
ring is both bis for AP and exsang
kind summit
so boots and ring is the way to go i guess
elfin quartz
shoulders are good too, but yeah
kind summit
good that i got all of the good legendaries 😄
molten pelican
bracers is shit, like i understand
still holly
You sure about ring being better than bracers?
You could have more than 1 target in sim
still holly
No clue then, my insignia does a average of 3mil dmg per fight
i feel like bracers could outdo that in the 30% part
kind summit
ye im not sure either. 10k is such a big dps increase tho
molten pelican
guys, so we should stick with MP AP still ?
molten pelican
why exsang is simming much higher for me ? =/
elfin quartz
AP got nerfed so it depends on gear.
still holly
Ye deppends of gear, if you have high agi/mastery ap will sim higher
storm ocean
Anyone know if Nightblooming Frond is any good?
The trinket from the botanist in NH.
pliant pagoda
Whats the best 4 set pieces for outlaw; and what about the best 2 trinkets after nh release;
elfin quartz
there are close together and you wont get equally gear^^
just sim it and then adapt
tulip veldt
What ive heard the 2 bis trinkets from NH is the one from trilliax and elisandre
raw arrow
how would i go about editting the dynamic/constant buffs in simc?
rough charm
Can i get help improving my Subtlety play? I am not doing nearly as much damage as I apparently can be doing.
http://shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com/us/proudmoore/izera
shows me supposedly being able to do 380,000 dps
my log has me quite a bit lower. Can someone help me figure out what i am doing wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zr6dcNptDhRTawnB#fight=6
merry cloud
Not the proper channel for this question
late siren
is the 4 piece set in NH worth it ? 10% increased evenomn seem a bit me. AP MP build
a bit meh is what i meant to say
anyone simmed it ?
maiden cargo
@split sorrel hey! i'm checking your simcraft about sub relic/trinkets (http://simc.aethys.eu/) and i 'm wondering why you did the simulations with "alacrity" instead of "premeditation" and sometimes (i think with the tier4pieces bonus) with anticipation instead of deeper stratagem... i would love to know! cause i'm a bit confused! also can't belive that "convergence of fates" trinket from elisandre gives a similar low dps gain!
robust solar
Where can i see what the differences are between a good/average player skill scaling is? Like, what makes them different in the calculations
cerulean junco
will the 4d plotting be updated too?
tired hatch
Any sims for ilvl progress with specs? Like does sub/assa scale better.
bleak cobalt
Have the super awesome beautiful trinket sims been posted yet somewhere, or are they still in the works?
stoic raven
@split sorrel was just looking at your Heroic Krosus kill... nice damn dps lol
odd sedge
beeble, look like 3 lines up...
maiden cargo
Why has EP+Exsang become better than MP+Poison?
Do you need a ridiculous mount of mastery for poison to be worth now?
bleak cobalt
Im talking about beautiful visual trinket sim were getting, Aethys said he was workin on it is all
split sorrel
@maiden cargo CoF is OP with bracers
Without it's not that good
Maybe @cerulean junco , the new tool should do everything available automatically and presents it nicely, it just takes time to do. And I'm not paid for that, I do it on my free time
While I'm also playing, so I can't dedicate all my time to this
cosmic orbit
@split sorrel I understand with Outlaw bracers you do NOT use Between the Eyes while your Greenskin's buff is still unconsumed, but is it possible to see a sim where Between the Eyes is used off CD, regardless of Greenskin's buff being up or not? I can't imagine the difference to be that great, considering so many Between the Eyes will hit for 4x the damage.
split sorrel
Try it yourself, I can't test everything on APLs, I do my best but you can't imagine how hard is it to do theorycrafting on 3specs, developing tools while raiding in Mythic. Tbh maintaining APLs is one of the thing the most time consuming, especially with hotfixes :S
cosmic orbit
Oh, I totally understand!
I know absolutely nothing about coding or anything, just a gamer who cares about min-maxing.
I wouldn't know how to change it so it used the ability off CD.
split sorrel
You should give a try to APL "coding" it is not that hard and the wiki is good
cosmic orbit
Hmm... I might do that.
split sorrel
Add it in finishers above the spell you want to be prioritized over
cosmic orbit
This is gonna sound so stupid... but how do I edit the APL on my own? XD
split sorrel
Copy from a report in the profile section
cosmic orbit
Okay.
split sorrel
Or import a sample profile
cosmic orbit
Ohhh
Right.
I suppose I could just remove "&!buff.greenskins_waterlogged_wristcuffs.up," correct?
cerulean junco
@split sorrel i would pay you...^^
cosmic orbit
That'll use Between the Eyes regardless of Greenskin's buff being up or not?
Wow, around 14k DPS decrease!
Thanks, Aethys. You're a superstar. (:
tribal scroll
hmm, gonna repin fiery's message about redundant comments being deleted, aethys is going to be less able to purge such comments for a bit so hopefully this will ease the load
barren osprey
how do I sim diffrent relics?
warped adder
I do it with wowhead
tribal scroll
this is a pretty prime example of all the things not to fill simcraft with
commands DO NOT work in here, take it to #228878985210101760 or #228879234540503040 please
warped adder
@split sorrel Why does CoF is more OP with bracers ?
frozen mauve
doenst simcraft have a pawn string anymore?
wheat leaf
How much damage should I be doing ~ at 864-869 i level as assassination ??
lime rune
yes its worth it
wheat leaf
Just looking for an approximate ball park nothing exact
maiden cargo
400k
wheat leaf
Iuno why my damage is so low I can sustain anywhere from 300-380k on dummy and on Guldan I was only doing around 300k....
warped adder
350k with 865ilvl is quite good imo
wheat leaf
Ok I can't tell if I am doing poorly or if I am at appropriate variance levels for the spec at my specific gear level
Going to figure out how to sim myself tonight when I get home
Is the program a standalone one or part of a wow add on ?
simple drift
wheat leaf
Ok good feel less noob
plush shard
hey dudes, nightbloom trinket 875 =< nightbane 875 ?
bright gorge
http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=140796?bonus=3518 any good for sin? AP build
regal trout
how are the different rogue specs scaling with gear?
flat herald
commands dont work here sniper
sinful quartz
ye figured, thanks 😄
brave parcel
!aethys
grave frost
rotund oak
Does anyone have a trinket list for simcraft, for a personal trinket list?
fiery venture
split sorrel
@cerulean junco for what ?
@maiden cargo because on T19M EP is better
I guess on nh MP is better
but I'm not sure
depends on mastery tbh
slender nebula
!trinkets
mystic jacinth
@regal trout i think subtlety > assassination in almost all types of encounters
royal heart
@split sorrel what would you say is the 'mastery checkpoint' for MP to outperform AP?
EP*
not AP*
magic dagger
does anyone know if shadowmeld triggers nightstalker?
maiden cargo
which tier parts u would skip as outlaw?
i had to pass shoulder cause i got lege
but which other piece
brave sequoia
right now i sim for about 515k with elaborate planning but selecint master poisoner grants me 542k dps sim
is this accurate or is something fucky? I'm AP build.
selecting*
raw beacon
hey guys, quick question for my guildy rogue
what are the T19 pieces he should aim for?
he is an assassin rogue
brave sequoia
does he have legendary boots?
raw beacon
yes
median stone
is 3x gushing wound better than 3 times master alchemist?
urban saffron
Anyone want to help a brother out? Not sure why I'm sucking ---
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/79zQRwTfZ2qcrBMX/#type=damage-done
gaunt pelican
this isn't really the channel to be asking why your playing badly
ask in general or underbelly.
urban saffron
Thanks!
spare lotus
what is the consensus on the convergence of time trinket for assasination?
it sims lower than my other two trinkets but im not sure if the reduced vendetta time makes up for it
night tinsel
what are your other two trinkets?
For me, convergence sims well above my eoc 885 and 880 urn
maiden cargo
do you have the chest ?
night tinsel
Me? no
sick heart
Yo does anyone know what line to throw in to make an APL use the burning wish trinket?
night tinsel
probably just somteihng like
cds+=/use_item,slot=trinket1
cds being the apl list you're adding it to, obviously change slot to whichever slot has the trinket
you can do things like, use_item,slot=trinket1,if=blahblahblah if you want to set where its going to use it
sick heart
yeah i tried tossing it in actions.cds+=use_item,slot=trinket2 doesn't want to take it though
oh there we go
damn that trinkets about as shit as i thought it was tyty
left copper
yo IS convergence simming wrong?
maiden cargo
how to get items id to simcraft when i dont own them?
feral crystal
Look the item id up on wowhead by searching the item
Then input the item ids and bonus ids into their respective positions
cerulean junco
@split sorrel cause you create something i appreciate a lot. i would not mind paying for your work.
split sorrel
What do you need ?
cerulean junco
i think discord is sometimes ungrateful and yesterday you seemed to be a bit annoyed that anyone is asking for results all the time and expects to get them 3 days before patch day.
sinful quartz
that might be a stupid question, but what does 1t, 2t and 3t stand for on your simcraft page aethys?
amber karma
of targets
sinful quartz
aaah. thanks 😄
split sorrel
@cerulean junco maybe but I won't make results paid, that would be ugly. Although I don't mind support.
odd sedge
Anyone has any idea why simc is valuing a 910 ravenholdt over 940 zoldyckx? doesnt make any sense
with boots and 3 MA
i dont believe this result for one second...
torn dome
Well you could start by having something other than I dont believe this to back it up
opaque lava
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/nemesis/Dragovian/simple can help me with stats?? It's ok for you?
torn dome
Like numbers
odd sedge
I doubt that something that´s 15% of mutilate is better than a 940 30% to KB, PB, Rupt...
torn dome
that doubt is useless to us
if you want some1 to look into anything give us something
saying I dont believe in climate change makes you look retarded as every1 should know by now
odd sedge
i´ll drop simc files here soon
inland comet
i still wanto to know if use 3xMA relics with leggendary boots (nerfed at 65 energy) is the best choice
odd sedge
Well it is possible that I made some error, since I was got zoldycks last night at 2am and was completely shot by then... boots+ bracers simming higher now (albeit by only a tiny margin, weird)
raven pike
simulationcraft does not work anymore after i updated windows. it said i was missing some dlls, so i have installed them like I did with many others
but now it gives me another error
"the application was unable to start correctly 0xc000007b"
do you guys know any fix
left finch
so are we using the nightly build, or are we using the regular release now?
inland comet
i am using nightly
sullen roost
guys can some 1 enlighten be on this
I recently got the legendary shlders. I play outlaw. with the shlders i simmed by character and its asking me to go fckin haste over others (Agi > AP > Wdps > Haste ~= Vers ~= Mastery > Crit > WOHdps) (( Pawn: v1: "Saiyanprincè": Agility=17.64, Ap=15.95, CritRating=8.87, HasteRating=11.33, MasteryRating=10.66, Versatility=11.05, Dps=13.77 ))
and when i add all the haste gear my crit goes to 19%
while haste up to 21
shld i abide by it or ...hold up
if so can some1 explain why?
tough gulch
@split sorrel Is there a way to sim different talent compositions at once? instead of logging in/out all the damn time
regal agate
@tough gulch you can just change the talents in your input string.
talents=2210011
the position is the tier and the number is the talent (1= 1st talent of the row, 2 = 2nd, 3 = 3rd, 0 = no talant choice)
tough gulch
ahhhh thats dope. @regal agate you have any experience with entwined elemental foci? i have a 890 w/ socket one but my other alternative is 875 urn
regal agate
no i had no luck with drops so far in nh
wind otter
@tough gulch I have a 890 foci as well and in my tests (over 2h30min auto attacks) you have 25% uptime on average split between haste, crit and mastery
tough gulch
@wind otter how does that compare to Memento?
round canyon
the foci is a strictly worse memento from all ym testing
marginally higher uptime and a weaker proc
plus you dont get the deaths for buffs effect
wind otter
the only upside to the foci is the longer duration of the procs
round canyon
all my testing was the ptr though
which is irrelevent when the procs are more infrequent
it will average out to being the same
left finch
yeah 875 procs about 4300ish of the stat for EEF, so with only 25% uptime of a given buff, doesnt seem worthwhile when compared to other trinkets
wind otter
it's rppm, I had fights with 50% uptime, and others with 10%
maiden cargo
Does anyone have the link for the newest version of simc?
brave bolt
limpid finch
what the fuck is wrong with simcraft
with the new version,when i sim my computer kinda tilts until the sim is done
iterations 10000
regal agate
you can reduce the thread priority of simcraft
limpid finch
ive always simmed with the maximum threads
guess its the new
simcraft fucking with me
merry cloud
let me guess - you have legendary bracers
merry cloud
Paste results please
tidal folio
is egg of serpentrix bugged in sims? 880 BTI + 865 Egg is simming higher than 880 BTI and 875 CoF and thats seems wrong, as with the cof i cast 2 extra adren rushes
split rivet
merry cloud
Do you have mantle?
torn dome
On a side note
Simc is also using couge for combos against raid bosses
And it gains said combos
vivid lagoon
which version do u guys use?
maiden cargo
715-02
vivid lagoon
there is a nightly version but it's .dmg ? <_<
steady jolt
HI guys where can i find a guide to simcraft?
barren rivet
snow tinsel
Are there already updates for the new trinkets?
Should I go for Nightblooming Frond?
azure kindle
ember radish
Can i trust the assa legendary sims that is in announcement? Some of my friends say they are not true, but i dont know if i should trust them
maiden cargo
Is anticipation still bugged with the finality trait for sub and if so: Is that calculated in for simc
hardy oar
what are pieces of tier are bis for sin?
tidal galleon
SimC not giving a pawn string anymore?
maiden cargo
It does if you activate scaling factors
tidal galleon
I see, settings reset on the new version and I forgot to check that
maiden cargo
I lost alot of dps on simulationcraft by downloading the new one were up on like 572k and went to 540k with the newer version
Also Alacrity, Exsanguinate and Agonizing Poison is around the same dps single target according to simulation craft.
still holly
Anyone got any spare time to look at my logs/armory could use some recommendations/help since i feel like i'm not performing as well as i could, especially compared to top logs for NH heroic
merry cloud
anyone remembers how to overrider traits provided by relics?
warped adder
Guys, do you know if Trinket on trillax(890) is worth compare to a 865 momento or EoC
iron obsidian
Is there a way to sim multiple profiles at once?
alpine locust
iron obsidian
Ah gotcha
supple flicker
Guys, do I use mastery food or the Pepper breath food?
regal agate
you can just replace the food in your simcraft input string and sim it 😃
maiden cargo
way too many people use this channel as general q&a
shadow lance
Guys can someone explain me how the button "scale" works on simcraft? Because when I click on it I don't see any difference on the result
past token
@merry cloud artifact_override="fates_thirst:6/fatebringer:3/fortune_strikes:3"
adjust according to whichever trait you want
merry cloud
Thanks have found already 😃
outer stump
if my DPS Range is 100k, does that mean my average DPS could potentially be 100k lower/higher or 50k lower / higher?
spare mantle
i have the best results with drought of souls (895+) and nightblooming frond (905+). How accurate are the trinkets sims so far?
dry sluice
Guys im new in this simulation stuff, im getting this priority : Agi 15.15 > Mastery 9.52~= Vers 9.32 ~= Crit 8.90~= Haste8.68. (Avg DPS: 496k) Is it logical given the fact im outlaw, and mastery is theoretically not the top stat? And what does it means? That I have too little mastery or what?
I was simply going the gear wiht more versa.
hasty zephyr
Hello @split sorrel. What about simc with items from Nighthold ?
maiden cargo
NIghthold trinkets may change come tuesday with a hotfix
junior wave
Are there any currents sims for them?
maiden cargo
Somewhere... Can't remember the link but its out there. pretty much Frond and CoF is the go to
Digit for AoE I think
hasty zephyr
@maiden cargo link ?
hasty zephyr
I mean another gear. With set for example...
tribal scroll
stop posting this in here @civic python , i am deleting your comments for a reason
mental zinc
how accurate is simc for outlaw right now?
tribal scroll
outlaw will always have a larger range than other specs with the same iterations
mental zinc
Yeah, figured as much. Trying to figure out why my dps is so far off simulation, feels like pistol shot isn't doing nearly as much as expected
lime rune
Can it really be true that outlaw sims higher with snd?
regal agate
theoriecrafting channel at least is for discussion/thesis now, whats kinda nice
tribal scroll
the mods and tc's are trying our best to purge useless comments and have it be purely simc based discussion
wanton shell
i do not mind
even if i dont have access i can at least read some useful comments in there
btw the latest simcraft includes the hotfixes right?
at least the nightly version
regal agate
for rogue yes
maiden cargo
Is there are place I can find the relic listings for Outlaw in 7.1.5?
fickle topaz
!trinket
wanton shell
could you give me a link if possible? @regal agate
regal agate
formal heart
weak has a pin with some discussion about suberfuge with mantle for assa, has anyone tried messing with the apl to have it sim higher than ns?
wanton shell
ty fuu
round canyon
does anyone know if the mastery(outlaw) bug has been fixed yet?
or should i download the latest nightly and test?
obtuse fable
What bug
round canyon
mastery was causing blade flurry to do extremely low amounts of damage as you gained more of it for some reason
which also was causing stat scaling on a 3/5/7/10 target fight to be hilariously wrong
such as giving mastery a negative value
final ember
Was this a SimC effect or an actual in-game bug?
round canyon
simc effect
maiden cargo
Is the sub anticipation bug for finality calculated in for simc?
sturdy comet
Hey 😃 have a question about the 4set as assa should I switch my playstyle to Exsanguinate and Hemorrhage for a dps
increase and is Entwined Elemental Foci a good trinke option for assa ?
pearl egret
so frond is the new bis trinked
half condor
!legendarys
oblique cloak
anyone have an APL line for Draught of Souls for assasination?
hard hull
anyone else sim conv lower than eoc+nihghthold chest combo still? w/ booots+3ma
glossy wolf
I can't seem to figure out how to sim this: I have the legendary cape and am trying to figure out at how many stacks it becomes a DPS gain to use SStorm over backstab or SStrike @ 1 target, 2 targets, etc. Anyone have any luck figuring this out?
urban wasp
just use it on 29 stacks in shadow dance
hallow gull
Is there a list somewhere for enchant ids? I can't find it anywhere, the recipes have item ids but thats no good
regal agate
@hallow gull
if you aim to for example want to replace the neck enchant to mark of the quick.
you can put in mark_of_the_quick
else you can go to wowhead and search for the enchant:
http://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=235697/mark-of-the-quick
and use the id from the URL.
f.ex. prydaz with this VZ looks like this:
neck=prydaz_xavarics_magnum_opus,id=132444,bonus_id=1811,gems=150mastery,enchant=mark_of_the_quick
or
neck=prydaz_xavarics_magnum_opus,id=132444,bonus_id=1811,gems=150mastery,enchant=235697
silk granite
has somebody already simmed and pinned a trinketlist with the new trinkets?
hallow gull
@regal agate oh so using the name instead of the id number works too?
regal agate
yes but you need to use _ instead of " "
hallow gull
good to know, thanks
gray flume
is it more accurate to use the simc addon or to log out and pull the info?
maiden cargo
which trinket u would use in outlaw spec, 900+socket spontaneous appendage or 885 serpentrix? some reason serpentrix sims almost 20k more than spontaneous? any ideas?
pliant wolf
!help
ornate portal
Where is the Panw string in SimulatinCraft ? I can't find it x) (v 710-03), it's not in the Results, Spec and Gear part...
stiff agate
You don't have scaling enabled.
ornate portal
Oooh, ok thanks
stiff agate
Heard rumblings of exsang not simming properly, has this been confirmed?
trail folio
is anyone else simming slightly higher with alacrity than AP?
dire herald
hey my sim craft isn't working it says it's outdated but i just redownloaded it anyone know something useful?
late willow
@stiff agate swimming worse or better? I did star augur this week as Exsang and did within 2% of the sim dps on an 8 min fight
stiff agate
I sim 15k higher as exsang.
dusty marlin
anyone know how shoulders match up vs ravenholdt for assa mp/vigor/ap
still holly
Saw a couple of rogues using shoulders > insignia but they had boots as 2nd leg
sim it
dusty marlin
well the ring sims a few thousand higher depending on length but it feels very off esp with nerfs
wind otter
did they fix AP interaction with kingsbane yet?
dusty marlin
and im guessing the sim is not using a correct opener which make the shoulder buff not last full duration
wind otter
if they did, shoulders could be stronger if we vanish so that kingsbane benefits from the shoulder buff during its last ticks
but I can't really test it if AP interaction isnt fixed as exanguinate's kingsbane is rather weak
stark sentinel
@dusty marlin i sim almost 30k higher with boots/shoulder than boots/insignia
maiden cargo
Is there a list for trinket simulations since NH got released?
sour drift
Guys , how do you compare relics in SimC ?
dusty marlin
@stark sentinel and you use mp/vigor/ap?
stark sentinel
yes
spark night
Did anyone determine if Frond is being simmed correctly?
dusty marlin
what version u using
spark night
715-02
the nightly released today
Just saw a massive increase over urn and I was just curious
stark sentinel
715-02
stark sentinel
hm, u got htme to 940?
dusty marlin
450s fight though
nah both 910
did my feet to 940
i have 900 shoulders and 890 rings i replace with though so ye
how long fights do u guys usually sim for 450s?
stark sentinel
300, im simming right now for 450
but on 300s i get shoulder/boot 648k and boots/ring 618k, with 450s i get shoulder/boot=625k and ring/boots=601k
dusty marlin
u must have quite isck gear link armory
stark sentinel
pallid laurel
hey guys, i have the cloak legi and was wondering how to modify the action list to use fook every 60 seconds to take advantage of the cloaks effect
split sorrel
Already the case
ivory stag
Does anyone here know if draught is affected by SoD in simc?
twin ibex
I simmed 2 pc tier, 5 adds and HecticAddCleave and got a negative stat weight for Mastery
Is this a known issue?
split sorrel
On Github page
Open a new one if you think it's an issue
Do not forget to attach the report
snow tinsel
Guys, are there new sims up for Trinkets?
pastel sundial
@split sorrel did you fix insignia bug already?
split sorrel
@pastel sundial not yet, it's in my todo list
pastel sundial
kk
split sorrel
but it's gonna be a bit "harder"
since on simc I don't have those data (dmg pre-modified)
by target modifier
like Vendetta is
pastel sundial
kk
tight furnace
I have 15% haste (outlaw) and it is still simming highest stat? Have greenskins and mantle.
dusty marlin
what was bugged with insignia?
dusty marlin
if i read it correctly it sims higher than it should?
split sorrel
yes
lament citrus
@split sorrel do you still want some more logs of nigtbloomin trinket aa on dummy?
split sorrel
frond is okay (is it the recursive one ?)
now I'm checking the angerboda like and the one from gul'dan
sorry, still don't remember each name 😄 Draught of Souls I think for Gul'Dan one
lament citrus
Yep it's the recursive strike one, so we can trust sims on that one? Sims 12k higher for me than 885 socket memento and I only got a 875 one
split sorrel
not yet
lament citrus
DoS is the Gul dan one yes
lament citrus
Alright
split sorrel
see my post in #tc-updates if you want to help simming correctly trinkets
tough gulch
anyone who can help me use simbuilder?
@split sorrel mind giving me some help w/ simbuilder rq?
split sorrel
I do not use it, sorry.
tough gulch
nw's
wanton shell
@split sorrel however frond doesnt procc nearly as often as it would to make it seem powerful. i dunno i am reluctant
split sorrel
?
wanton shell
the recursive strikes sims really high but on dummy hitting its underwhelming both dmg wise and procc wise
wanton shell
so basically its even worse than it was?
split sorrel
on simc I mean
on live it has been the same since Day + 1
they changed it either on release, either the following day
compared to what it was the last day on PTR
wanton shell
oh so sims consider still the ptr version
i see
arethere special conditions behind draught? i mean actually proccing it and doing just a sliver of what it does for arms warrs
mighty zephyr
Does simc calculate draught correctly? I sim 17k less if I unequip it, but the damage alone with no crits does like 25k dps if used on CD without any crits and without the added haste on the trinket
I understand it depends on fight length though
eager current
just me or does nightblooming frond actually suck?
6min fight on ptr using it, does 1.8% of my dmg
tribal scroll
its highly unreliable and not nearly as good as once thought via sims
aethys has clarified
eager current
can u show me where he did it xD
tribal scroll
mryamamoto i mean the way it sims have been updated, its now accurate in simc
eager current
ah, ty
blissful gull
This is driving me nuts. Simmed a few days ago at ~480K (with 2P), changed 2 relics to GW from serrated edge, got a few pieces out of H NH, and am simming at 440K. No idea what I did here. No talent changes or anything. I must have been simming on an outdated Simc or something.
blissful gull
Yeh, I did. And do normally- just strange. I assume AP was probably still prenerf on the old sim. Not sure what the exact DPS drop came out to be when they dropped the % per stack.
Big enough loss im sure thats what it had to b.
Strange as well that crit is simming higher than mastery for me as well. @ 35% crit and 133% mastery. Thought that crit got super devalued running MP. Dont know what to believe anymore.
split sorrel
Always use latest nightly
I fix multiple bugs everyday
Either from stealth changes or wrong implementation
round canyon
that reminds me, did you fix the outlaw mastery bug?
round canyon
okay
torn dome
@split sorrel outlaw is also gaining combos for using couge against bosses
glossy lynx
dont think any 1 would bother doing it
wraith patio
Does the current simcraft apl properly use the 10 cp finality: eviscerate? Theres very low uptime on the 10 cp finality.
split sorrel
No
My first attempts with ant were a DPS loss
(I.e. forcing high CP finisher)
But didn't tried much
wraith patio
@split sorrel so even with the bracers is it still better to not force high cp finishers?
split sorrel
Can't answer precisely
I'm not 100% sure
Try to make something being a DPS gain in the APL and we'll see from this
wraith patio
ok thanks
gloomy wing
#trinkets
fading grotto
On How much Vendetta cd does i come with trinket + relics without boots?
vapid ridge
is there a documentation i can look at that tells how to sim multiple items via profile?
I have been told how before but i forget and don't want to keep asking, rather save a bookmark
I know it's something like..
rogue="necklace"
neck, ID string
profile_name.simc
but i'm having issues with it working correctly
hollow notch
is the 65% increased damage for Spontaneous Appendages included in the latest nightly build?
sudden canopy
did they really buff spontaneous @hollow notch?
devout galleon
yes
sudden canopy
where can i read that online? i dont see any new balancing notes
hollow notch
yea 65% increased damage
next tulip
So. The legendary Shoulders are not very friendly with subelty rogues on the program I think. It says I have about an 80% crit on most of my skills and is inflating my dps
past token
@vapid ridge do you mean comparison of various trinkets and the like? like how the trinkets page on the bot shows a list?
vapid ridge
@past token yes, i think i figured it out, think i had my items in the wrong order with the profile a line below the items
maiden cargo
yes
gentle path
where can i find good simulation to know what's the best trincket is for assa rogue
proven dawn
Download SimC and sim yourself, there is a nice guide to simming yourself in resources and faq
maiden cargo
did they change anything on the newest builds ? after ap nerf i was down to 500k now im at 560k again as sin
maiden cargo
is that why dmg and mastery scaling is through the roof atm?
torn dome
possibly
maiden cargo
alright thank you im not gonna go ham on mastery then and wait for the fix xD
merry cloud
Also mutilated flesh will go up in damage since right now simc takes post mitigation Mutilate damage to calculate DoT while game takes pre mitigation value
maiden cargo
thats the 2p set bonus right?
merry cloud
Yes
maiden cargo
ahh i see
strong carbon
does simc have the roll the bones logic already built in, or do i need to put that logic into my sims?
regal agate
it has it build in
tribal scroll
and if you generate the apl via armory import, you can see exactly what itis
it's a chunky paragraph unto itself
regal agate
you can also adjust the logic if you dont like it in the apl
strong carbon
solid. thanks
torn solar
Is there a way to see the relative value of each of the six RtB buffs in a sim output so you can determine what to personally fish for based on your gear/talents?
proven dawn
I think there is @split sorrel
split sorrel
I do not have pushed a profile to do so, but there is a way by customizing the APL
torn solar
Can you do that in a comparison view like with gear/talent changes or would you just have to save the individual reports after each run and then modify the APL for each successive one?
cosmic orbit
So Mr. Robot's developer and designer recently made simulations "proving" how you roll for 2 buffs or True Bearing, not 3+ or True Bearing. I've never used Mr. Robot, so I don't even know how to read his sims. When one of you get the chance, preferably @split sorrel, could you debunk his simulations?
Link to his post.
cosmic orbit
Oh, I thought it only slightly depended on legendaries. Without bracers/shoulders, throwing in Shark with something else was okay, but it was a DPS gain to always go True Bearing or 3+?
split sorrel
TB|3+ is with mantle or bracers or both
without 2+SiW is good
and some 2+ are still good
but since outlaw is really competitive with either well 😄
I have to edit the APL to reflect this, it's in my TODO list.
lament cargo
@Orckefeller#1827 "could you debunk his simulations?"
Dude, AMR is a very solid tool.
I always compare SimC to AMR simulations and sometimes, AMR is closer to reality than SimC, specially for DHs
proven dawn
Just FYI I don't really want any AMR vs SimC fights in here. Talking about the relative accuracy is fine if you present data, otherwise nope.