pvp

[jaunty osprey]

DTB is good because you can play a lot of talents that synergizes with it in pve

in pvp you don’t take extra poison damage talents, you also dont play deadly poison etc etc etc

there’s just a whole lot of stuff, but it really synergizes with nothing and has almost no benefit over Zoldyck’s and dashing

Caustic spatter is also insane in pve but trash in pvp cause of movement

[stoic spruce]

I've put together a team...

[rough rock]

i hate to say it but trickster damage feels better than fb :(

[wanton breach]

they gutted lethal dose 🙁

[hollow carbon]

Why didnt I think about it more?! I can also rarely chain envenoms tbh. Hyped for trying out the other build. R1 Shuffle Spot here I come 😁

[potent pivot]

the dmg profile is slightly different, but its def not better

[stoic spruce]

It's slightly better yeah

More kill pressure during adr still

[rough rock]

could have just been the lobby comps that made me feel that way

[stoic spruce]

Maybe one day I'll see FB perform more

[stoic spruce]

Did you make your conclusion after 1 shuffle?

Don't do that

Bad Rune

[rough rock]

Yes hehe

The pressure just felt better

I hate having to ramp up on FB so much especially in a caster lobby

[stoic spruce]

I locked it in, I was only getting kills during adr anyway

Might as well make it better

[mystic tundra]

whats this build

[outer sky]

Its THE build

[outer sky]

This one

[stoic spruce]

Then why isnt every talent in the tree taken hmm?

[potent pivot]

Considering no one plays ks I don’t see how it could be

[wanton breach]

why systemic failure though?

[outer sky]

Bigger mutilates

[wanton breach]

i wouldn't take it unless blindside

[outer sky]

Bigger doomblade dot

[wanton breach]

[outer sky]

Blindside is useless with this build because you never press ambush

Ever

[wanton breach]

but you press mutilate?

[outer sky]

Yes

You mutilate unless your FoK can hit 3+ targets

[stoic spruce]

Because they're not playing ks

Crazy how playing the talent that makes the hero tree work makes the hero tree better

[wanton breach]

you know that blindside replaces mutilate with ambush on proc?

[outer sky]

Yeah

But even when you can press ambush

With this build

You dont

Mutilate got buffed by 180%. Its almost as much damage as Ambush now. But Mutilate procs the doomblade bleed and Ambush doesnt

And the doomblade bleed adds a Lethal Dose stack

So pressing ambush is just pointless

[wanton breach]

huh it does?

[outer sky]

Ye

And between the mutilate buffs, systemic failure, and the extra lethal dose stack, mutilate is actually decent value

Ambush is like 5-10% more upfront damage but no doomblade bleed/dose stack

[mystic tundra]

is thrown precision really necessary? nothing better

[outer sky]

Nah its not necessary you can take Improved Poison if you want

But yeah theres not much else

I take Improved Poison in 2s and into Caster cleaves

But it doesn't really matter

[mystic tundra]

yeah i was just gunna say guess it depends on what targets youre against

keen to try it tho

[iron viper]

I know it's probably been said before but I'm having good success with DTB build, there must be some pros in using it, I'm like rank 35 atm 2400 mmr, I'm going to switch to this tonight and give it a blast in 3s but just curious why you'd choose either one

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

[stoic spruce]

Try it in real 3s and tell us

Shuffle doesn't count

[iron viper]

Yeah I read that that's just all the cons of using it over the build your recommending.

Is there not a single pro of using dtb build over it? Just intrigued is all

[iron viper]

And yeh I've been playing mostly shuffle thus far, but going to start pushing 3s like for example is dtb more viable in shuffle or with certain specs for example or is it still this build you've recommended wildly better

[dark kernel]

Boy shuffle right now past 2100 is sweaty man

Lots of hunters, mages war

[stoic spruce]

I read that as "is a sweaty man"

[dark kernel]

Mmm it's that too

https://tenor.com/view/ig-live-whackwurld-6uava-whackwurid-ig-live-water-gif-21841939

[stoic spruce]

Fym mmm???

[vocal surge]

Lol

[spring bough]

Shuffle > 3s

Change my mind

All shuffle needs is a mount now

[crisp shadow]

okay I am so fed up I am about to crash out so hard, played 2 BG's in a row where I am perma loosing stealth without anyone nearby or me pressing anything

WTF IS THAT

[stoic spruce]

What spec?

[crisp shadow]

Sub

[stoic spruce]

Race?

[crisp shadow]

Orc

[stoic spruce]

Hmmmm

What does your combat log say

[crisp shadow]

I was just running around trying to go cap an enemy base and was perma unstealthed on the way there

[stoic spruce]

Like, in combat or it kept knocking you out of stealth?

[crisp shadow]

kept knocking me out without anybody being near me

combat log also says nothin g

[atomic fractal]

The EOTS bridge will remove stealth

Gotta pass through mid in stealth if that’s your goal

[crisp shadow]

thats exactly what happened

wtf

[molten hedge]

3s with the boys are so fun

[spring bough]

I wish shuffle was group queable

[gleaming sentinel]

Participation alone shows this is true

[gusty hedge]

Wpvp> any pvp

[stoic spruce]

If you could brute force to 2100 why wouldn't you?

[spring bough]

2300*

[stoic spruce]

2100 has the last of the rewards

[spring bough]

Tabard at elite

[stoic spruce]

O

I forgor

[spring bough]

And pendant back illusion from legend/strategist

It’s a mog now no longer a toy

[stoic spruce]

Imagine if mogs were temp like seasonal titles

You don't have to, it's a painful thought.

But I digress. Delete shuffle, keep blitz. Ggez

[lucid citrus]

Returning player here, what’s the best spec for rogue now? Heard it was outlaw but was it nerfed recently?

[stoic spruce]

Assa

[spring bough]

Outlaw

[gusty hedge]

wpvp mini games

[stoic spruce]

Arms

[spring bough]

Wait is that addon popular now

They should bring back Tauren mill world PvP

[cobalt vector]

Wait so should I just take ambush off my stealth action bar then? I completely understand what you’re saying but is it literally never pressed with the non dtb build?

[gusty hedge]

kind of but not really, alot of players on east coast servers, u can group up to sync layer and battle for territory

resets weekly

arathai and gilneas zones

[spring bough]

I wish blizz would work on something cool for PvP

[stoic spruce]

They can't think of anything else except make it more accessible to bad players

[gusty hedge]

would be nice but i dont think blizz knows what cool is anymore 😂
they tried with slayers rise but its not that active as it was in the beginning of xpac
i do think they should do something more for wpvp, like work on bounty system rewards/toys/etc

[stoic spruce]

It needs the BFA wpvp treatment

FFA zones areas are so hot garbage

[gleaming sentinel]

That’s actually pretty cool

[gusty hedge]

like a legit world bounty system / hunt you can go out and kill your target / collect, almost like what the ydid with prey but for pvp, not the current bounty marked on map etc

[gleaming sentinel]

Problem is that wpvp turns into a consumable / Zerg fest

Small Wpvp skirmishes are bis

[stoic spruce]

Faction bases would be a great start...

[gleaming sentinel]

Or which group has the healer

[gusty hedge]

yeah thats true, with too many people it becomes unfun and servers start to crash/ fps drops no fun no playy😂

[gleaming sentinel]

Me and my mage buddy were having fun 2v3ing in mechagon and they brought a healer and we got farmed. Healers are gods in wpvp with no damp

[gusty hedge]

yeah thats also true lol, if the healer is good they are never dying unless they mess up or are heavily out numbered

[gleaming sentinel]

Or the shaman respec healer I forgor

[stoic spruce]

Remember BFA when you zoned into Nazj and the entire enemy faction playerbase was in your base?

Amazing

[gleaming sentinel]

Thumbs down

[stoic spruce]

??

[gusty hedge]

i did like 3 of those then never did them again lol was not good

[stoic spruce]

I went to Nazj just to participate

[gusty hedge]

whole raid would spawn on top of you then zerge each flag zone

[spring bough]

UMG tryna take down the boy

[gleaming sentinel]

Numbers game PvP is stupid. Remember when they thought south shore vs tarrennmilll would be a cool epic bg?

That’s the worst one by a mile

[gusty hedge]

facts

[stoic spruce]

Being a melee there is throwing

[spring bough]

If it wasn’t an instance and just the zone it would be cool

[gusty hedge]

they tried to bring that old wpvp feeling back but its badly optimitzed too

[stoic spruce]

In outdoor zones it's fine

[gleaming sentinel]

Wpvp was cool back in the day becuase you had to farm resources and compete for
Them

[stoic spruce]

So much you can take advantage of you can't in brawls and stuff

[gleaming sentinel]

Felwood comes to mind. I was a living essence denier in my day

[stoic spruce]

What's iceman

People keep talking about it

[gusty hedge]

i seen that! and they are striking and taking down every post online any content creator or fan makes about the songs, seen on X. crazy

[stoic spruce]

Looks like a rap album

[spring bough]

Drake rap album

Join us. Listen. Bump

[gusty hedge]

i would hate dying in fel wood lol

long ass walk

[gusty hedge]

whisper my name

[stoic spruce]

You mean the guy who, when he sees finger food, wiggles his fingers and goes "ooo don't mind if I do." ?

[spring bough]

What

[stoic spruce]

I literally have so many of those I couldn't choose which one to say next

[vocal surge]

Dying in Alterac Mountains

[spring bough]

Felwood/wintergrasp cave was the worst

[vocal surge]

Theres also Azshara

[stoic spruce]

Stranglethorn Vale wpvp has been dead since the level squish...

[gleaming sentinel]

If you were horde on my server in felwood, very high chance I ganked you. Feral Druid with full PvP gear and world dragon weapon. I was a menace for like 6 months

[gusty hedge]

oldschool stvietnam

[stoic spruce]

I did more wpvp in BFA than actual pvp

Such a good time

[gusty hedge]

This was me ! every day

[stoic spruce]

They legit struck gold with it

Remember that WQ where you ran over people in that big metal ball and they'd explode into gore

[gusty hedge]

would legit start wars 40+ vs 40+ all trying to get my bounty, would post up in lfg then grapple /hide under rock slightly under mumbagumbla they couldnt touch me unless they knew were to go lol if i got found out i would attempt kill other bounties rinse repeat

[gusty hedge]

vaguely is that that one in nazmir where the blood trolls/ were at?

[stoic spruce]

I actually don't remember

Were you horde or alliance

I think it was different with each faction

[gusty hedge]

i was horde mainly i made my alt alliance rogue in bfa just to kill shit talking horde lol

[stoic spruce]

It was on a mountainside if that helps

[gusty hedge]

idk but i think that was in zandalar forsure! i dnt think i did much Wq other than for the weekly cache/ rescources for the table

[stoic spruce]

I did them all and then hunted stragglers

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-nelson-simpsons-gif-6238201

[stoic spruce]

I'd lure an alliance player away from their raid and kill them. They almost never helped lol

There was a boomie who fell for it a couple times. Kept love tapping me with that moon beam shit or whatever. I'd sit right at the edge of their max range

Dh fotmer

I knew he was a reroller because he could die

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-you-are-not-prepared-demon-hunter-evil-burning-crusade-gif-15716503

they werent prepared

[stoic spruce]

Absolutely not

I didn't even have the only trinket that countered them

[gusty hedge]

stuck on this bs in my off time i need a new side game

[stoic spruce]

You've been playing the baby MMO

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-funny-cute-gif-13109113

[gusty hedge]

if only they had pvp

[stoic spruce]

Is it fun though?

[gusty hedge]

for what it is yeah, overall all i been doing is grinding/ farming solo play, see others forming 5 man groups doing dungeons etc, just something to pass the time imo more tiltin when u get one shot from scuffed mechanics / server lag

[stoic spruce]

Amazing

[gusty hedge]

alot of exploring and jump puzzles out in open world , not a fan of the jump puzzles

i even tried guildwars 2, uninstalled after a few pvp matches lol
idk whow people play that

[stoic spruce]

Yeah idk

It's alright for what it is

I've tried a ton of MMOs

[gusty hedge]

the gameplay videos look cool but didnt feel the same playing as i did watching it

[stoic spruce]

That's crazy

WoW has the opposite effect lol

[outer sky]

T
Yeah

[stoic spruce]

Yep

[gusty hedge]

[outer sky]

Yes

[gusty hedge]

just seen an ad for overwatch/ fortnite. Tf is going on 😭 😂

[stoic spruce]

What's the opposite of a tragedy?

Miracle?

A miracle for gooners

[gusty hedge]

google says comedy

[stoic spruce]

Miracle doesn't sound right anyway

[gusty hedge]

idont play OW anymore but if the yhad wow/fortnite id probably would have to re install it lol

[stoic spruce]

I did temporarily when 2 came out

I had fun tbh

Oh wells

[gusty hedge]

i was shit at the game lol i only liked 1 character and it got reworked orisa mecha thing with 4 legs and an arm with a mini gun

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah I was awful, I don't think I won a single game

[gusty hedge]

was fun tho idk about now , i would try it but i already have marvel rivals now

[stoic spruce]

Played that for a bit too

Had more fun in that tho

[gusty hedge]

pretty much the same game i think lol

at least how it feels

sad to say tho i suck all the same

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-shark-marvel-rivals-marvel-rivals-gif-17621413117369645663

[stoic spruce]

I only played the punisher

He has guns :)

[gusty hedge]

i believe hes my 2nd most played lol

wish they had a character like oldschool heimerdinger from lol

let me set up multi turrets and go ham

looks like a new season of rivals rn

and a new jeff skin

mf got me

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-smacking-credit-card-on-table-gif-21340324

[jagged thunder]

Hey all, new to rogue and PVP. I bought all my pieces of gear with honor and now need conquest, the grind feels really slow for gearing in solo shuffle. Also, is Champion the highest level of gear you can get? I've always been a PVE player and having fun with PVP but the gearing path feels odd.

I'm at 1500 rating right now (don't even know if that's good or not)

[molten hedge]

I like to do 2s placements bc it’s 15 easy wins. Some ppl prefer crate farming but it’s too boring for me. But if you get in a good group it’s a lot of conq

[spring bough]

@potent pivot aren’t we supposed to be uncapped this week?

[static holly]

No, too early

Shouldn't it next month? 2nd of june

We are now in the 9th week and uncap is in the 11th

[gusty hedge]

already fully geared in conq on 2 rogues lol

with 1.1k left over now this week +800

actually think it was 800 left over lol

[spring bough]

Yeah atp what are they doing uncap this shit

[stoic spruce]

Awoken from my slumber to say void scourge inc

[grave basin]

4 hour maint

😔

[spring bough]

For no reason lol

[grave basin]

yea then when .07 drops another 8hr maint

[molten hedge]

If we aren’t he has to change his name to Trickz

[wanton breach]

289 in pvp and 298 in pvp for trinkets and weapons is the highest you can get.
Pvp crate farm is boring but efficient

[wanton breach]

NoNoTrickz

[static holly]

Will we craft weapons once conq is uncapped?

[potent pivot]

y

[static holly]

Saved like 80 conq tokens from healing... Time to burn them

Can you upgrade crafted weapons to 298?

[potent pivot]

y

[molten hedge]

What stats you going for law

[potent pivot]

what

[gusty hedge]

[grave basin]

what are we doing while waiting for servers to come back

[molten hedge]

For the crafted weps. Aren’t they already crit/versa. and I’m already 25 haste

[potent pivot]

your MH should be haste/vers

OH dagger is crit/vers

[grave basin]

what game is this

[potent pivot]

zero reason to craft weps on outlaw

[gusty hedge]

Marvel Rivals

[grave basin]

its an fps yea

[gusty hedge]

a reskinned overwatch

[grave basin]

that looks fun af

[molten hedge]

Im fried. Lol I was thinking about my sub for some reason.

[grave basin]

damn didnt know the guy who got 1v2d by pshero in legion still plays

diabolical

[spring bough]

We only outlaw out here

[dark kernel]

I never realized how much fucking dedicated haste you need right now on outlaw to hit the cap

[potent pivot]

yep

can only use like 2 crit pieces, 3 max

besides 4set ofc

[gleaming sentinel]

Waiting for them to drop carnage

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-let-there-be-carnage-carnage-lightning-venom2-gif-23892610

[grave basin]

uncapped conq???

[rough rock]

Getting caster lobbies feels terrible

[spring bough]

Oh shit it actually happened

notrickz can stay notrickz

[spring bough]

@molten hedge

[potent pivot]

i'm going to laugh when its only crests

[spring bough]

Blizz has finally forgot about PvP

[grave basin]

na up

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

@potent pivot

[molten hedge]

Rip

[grave basin]

@spring bough

[molten hedge]

Thanks a lot fuckin Trickzster

[potent pivot]

kek

[golden thistle]

._ . how are people keeping track of enemy player buffs/defensives these days? in getting back to pvp im trying to learn all the shit that makes people un-cc'able so ive been trying to play with blizzards shit filtering options

but there's some things that i cant figure out what they are, because they dont seem to show in "important" or "defensive" so i just have to keep trying to cc the person and eventually whatever it is falls off and i can

[spring bough]

🤦‍♂️

What’s the point of the cap when everyone fully geared

[gusty hedge]

prolly still accounting for the free 9 heraldies

[gusty hedge]

mini cc will show what they currently used but wont track the cd

[outer sky]

LMFAOOOOOO How is conquest still not uncapped???

[spring bough]

Blizz is just dumb

Not a brain cell there working on PvP

[dark kernel]

Guaranteed they hotfix it tomorrow or it's pushed to next week patch

They've done this multiple times where they uncap PVE but forget us

[golden thistle]

yeah i got that last night and poked around, but i think i might need to poke around with it more. i think burrow and grounding totem are two of the things tripping me up, and i see they should show on the big icon thing i dont know the name of and disabled, but they didnt seem to be showing on the plates

[halcyon timber]

Requesting more logs

[ionic crown]

is the badge good for sub? just checked nahj uses it

[gusty hedge]

on burst trinket no haste, nahj doesnt like haste and likes for a more controlled burst

[lime oar]

insignia is for cowards, play badge like a man

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-broly-dbz-gif-26214333

[potent pivot]

Insignia is better

[quick temple]

@outer sky

dev showed me an easy fix

[outer sky]

?

Whats this

[quick temple]

its hear kitty

weren't you the one asking about the outlaw yarrr pack and if it works?

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

No?

[quick temple]

hmmm

oh it was @stoic spruce

my b

[ocean thunder]

its weird how i am being told how bad and clueless i am on my games, like i shouldnt be playing

wtf is wrong with people

[outer sky]

thats just how shuffle is

[ocean thunder]

if you are good climb to a higher mmr and play with better people wtf is wrong

i will sleep at night, but it's annoying

[stoic spruce]

They feel terrible regardless

[stoic spruce]

Did you get it?

[quick temple]

yea you just go into the .toc file and Change the first line of that file to "## Interface: 120005"

[stoic spruce]

Awesome, thank you

[ocean thunder]

how do you kill SP i'm having terrible difficulty vs SPs

[severe helm]

they will die overtime

the main thing is to just shut them down

theyre very tanky so its not gona be a quick kill if theyre playing decently

but if you can prevent them from doing anything useful

youll eventually win

[ocean thunder]

My problem is that they are the best in faking - you cant be an SP on 2300+ and not know how to fake, and either me or the other guy will fall for it

so preventing them of doing anything useful is not simple

[quick temple]

just dont kick, if they're spam faking they'll fake longer than your lockout, then kick when they're frantic/you have high pressure

[ocean thunder]

that's a good idea, if team mate tags along

[quick temple]

be efficient, like idk but kicking void eruption is bait, you wanna kick inside their dps window. Just like Arcane Surge or Summon Demonic tyrant. They don't die easy so you have to make good trades to build momentum and corner them without disperse

[ocean thunder]

the annoying part is that i have to live their dps

BM rocks

[jaunty osprey]

I cant wait until my vacation is over

To climb assa ladders again

[severe helm]

lol

Yeah I just got back from a week off

puts you so behind

[gleaming sentinel]

You gonna be juiced with mmr

[severe helm]

oh yeah I havent done a shuffle since pre outlaw nerf

just gona ride the inflation out

[gilded gulch]

gouge helps

and specfically stunning near the end of a cast

[severe helm]

yeah what kasius said

the most annoying thing

as a caster

is when the enemy doesnt kick

[lime oar]

bros fallen off fr

time to rise

[gilded gulch]

i mean if he cant get good pressure out

you kind of win to rot

by default

[severe helm]

exactly esp in shuffle

[gilded gulch]

honestly long enough game in shuff esp as assa

someone eventually just dies deep damp

to damage

[severe helm]

yeah shuffle dampening moves fast

[gilded gulch]

triple garrote silence on rdruid teams in deep damp

feels incredibly oppressive

xddd

[ocean thunder]

Yeah but BM for example with SP or War with SP means that I am getting pounded really hard and every silence hurts A LOT

still, your advice is right, i know

[gleaming sentinel]

Maybe a stupid question but do you do a low cp envenom when you kidney then send the kb?

[potent pivot]

nah

[lucid citrus]

what addon do you guys use to track dr's now?

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message

[spring bough]

RIP weak auras

[gusty hedge]

FR
just as i got into WA in TWW it got shafted in Midnight

[outer sky]

@potent pivot They uncapped conq

[gusty hedge]

shit ur right the bar is gone

[stiff cedar]

boxes also out

[spring bough]

Nice lil hotfix?

[stiff cedar]

you rang?

[potent pivot]

LOL

[spring bough]

Someone remembered actually crazy

[potent pivot]

nahhhhhhhhhh

heavy copium

they just saw the 50 tweets complaining

[spring bough]

That’s all we need? 50 tweets? What else do we want for PvP. Time to coordinate some posts

[gleaming sentinel]

time to tweet about outlaw feint talent

[potent pivot]

"they're crying about conq cap? easy win" codes for literally 2 minutes

"we don't even have to tune this week now! haha! losers"

[stoic spruce]

That dev that returned is/was a mage main. Expect mage buffs soon

[gusty hedge]

add in RB Nerf too

[spring bough]

Wonder how they dodged nerfs

[spring bough]

Restless blades 0.8 revert too

[gleaming sentinel]

you ready for between the eyes do 15% less dmg in pvp for 3 years?

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

Mannnn they don’t give a fuck it’s so evident

[stoic spruce]

Someone's feeling generous today

[gleaming sentinel]

its tuesday

they need to speak with dual elite vancleef

named after the og outlaw rogue

[stoic spruce]

And me, the most washed PvPer ever

[gleaming sentinel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/norm-macdonald-quit-stealing-my-moves--k01KS1BMY6DAVCHEMDE3P7WR01Z

[stoic spruce]

Worst part is I don't even have definitive proof of my achievements

[gleaming sentinel]

I prove i am washed pretty muche verytime i Q

[gusty hedge]

Diamonds on diamonds and hammers on hammers

[dark kernel]

Somebody suck me off right now for calling the conquest hotfix

I demand retribution for it

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[dark kernel]

You missed this whole ordeal

[spring bough]

Bro wtf did I just read

[gleaming sentinel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/woah-blinking-white-guy--k01KS1BY75QQ0RHV49BRDN54V6H

[spring bough]

Need poly R1 Mewo to get some tweets out too

[dark kernel]

#pvp message

[gusty hedge]

i remember u saying the hotfixed tomorrow or some shit

[gusty hedge]

yeah

[dark kernel]

Yeah because blizzard chronically forgets the PV peers and then goes oh shoot

[gleaming sentinel]

guy thinks hes nostradamus now

[dark kernel]

I've had a crappy day let me be right

[gleaming sentinel]

ok sorry

unzip those pants

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-dumbo-drinking-water-t1-drinking-dumbo-drinking-water-gif-5833717593105737590

[spring bough]

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

All you will get from this is all 50 people called slurs for asking for rogue buffs

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah? Well if I explain my reason it sounds like "I have a girlfriend, she just goes to a different school"

[spring bough]

“Dark” humor

[stoic spruce]

LMAOO

I sent that to everyone

[gleaming sentinel]

I was glad but i left the team

[spring bough]

Please someone tell me they saw that post

Guild recruiting “dark” humor 😂

[stoic spruce]

Need Mes to say something

Instead of spamming DK and doing 0 dmg

[spring bough]

Will we ever get any meaningful changes in PvP or is it just gonna slowly die lol

[potent pivot]

Omg

Fuck conquest cap

No one cares

They hotfixed UA

[stoic spruce]

What's UA

[potent pivot]

Urine Analysis dumbo

[stoic spruce]

Wow

[potent pivot]

Addiction lock

[stoic spruce]

We do need that as a barrier to entry

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

Ew Lock

Casters

Icky

[potent pivot]

You didn’t know about the ua exploit everyone and their moms was abusing?

[stoic spruce]

Nope

I've been working this week

You should try it sometime

[potent pivot]

they would bank up 10+ stacks of UA on a target dummy with lust/pi

[stoic spruce]

OOOOOOOOOOOO

[potent pivot]

and then soul swap->enter arena

and every soul swap they did in arena would apply an insta 10+ UA stacks

[stoic spruce]

That's awesome

Why can't I get stuff like that

[potent pivot]

1 dispel would do like 600k damage

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

lmao they fixed one of the dungeons

by making the 'trick' wipe your entire group

💀

[spring bough]

What the skyreach skip thing?

[potent pivot]

https://nether.wowhead.com/video-stream/421319-skyreach-3rd-boss?dataEnv=1&locale=0

the add skip

[jaunty osprey]

LITERALLY, when I left for vacay like 1.5 weeks ago I was #1 and 2 on ladder 😭

[potent pivot]

?

[abstract stratus]

which food is it you can eat in arena?

[potent pivot]

mage food

[abstract stratus]

thats it? sucks

[visual inlet]

an add-on for those interested in world pvp

[abstract stratus]

4 set is not at all worth it for sin at this point right

[potent pivot]

not really

[abstract stratus]

ight after craft daggers ill replace my chest and shoulders

[spring bough]

Thoughts on where SL is at?

[gleaming sentinel]

lame

[stoic spruce]

Fair

Well actually no

[gleaming sentinel]

covenants were cool torghast was cool

come at me

[stoic spruce]

WoD being that high but SL being that low? At least SL had content to do

[spring bough]

SL was a fun time

[jaunty osprey]

There’s water for healers though

[stoic spruce]

SL was great if you're like me and like chores and borrowed power. But I can see why people would hate it

Putting WoD up that high though is messing with me

[jaunty osprey]

Nope. The mastery you lose (aka bleed/envenom damage) is more than you gain from mutilate

[stoic spruce]

Who's list is this?

[stoic spruce]

Mine

WoD and DF are at F for 2 entirely different reasons

[spring bough]

No idea lol

[grave basin]

Infernion is saying inflation is set from 20 a week to 17 a DAY

anyone can confirm?

Absolutely insane if true

[grave basin]

Dragonflight was pretty good

Start of legion was F----

Agree with the rest

[lime oar]

need more context

starting from when

[grave basin]

From when they boosted mmr a week ago

I mean look at eu shuffle ladder

Bicmex was 2500 top of the ladder before inflation

Now top of the ladder is 2800!!

[stoic spruce]

WoD was boring but the content it had was good content. DF had a lot of content but was boring.

[stoic spruce]

it was all boring

[grave basin]

Im mostly talking about class design tbf

[stoic spruce]

Oh

That's different then

[grave basin]

Since all pve content is snooze

And this is le pvp channel

[stoic spruce]

Well no context was given for the tier list

It could've been about mounts

[grave basin]

Class design in DF was good in the "everyone was OP" kinda way

Buut mages had to be pruned a little

They had a little too much

[stoic spruce]

DF gave us crackshot so thats an automatic F in my book

Uhuh*

[grave basin]

Mostly played sin and sin was fun

Big kingsbane

[stoic spruce]

I'd put TWW higher if I had played a different class

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-strangle-why-do-you-guys-hate-fun-gif-26416088

[stoic spruce]

Uhuh wasn't fun

It was a chore

[gusty hedge]

uHUH WAS goated once u knew what u were doing! PVP cant say the same for pve sicne tanks wont let you restealth for shit

i got the hang of it in Tww played around with it in df s4 lol

[stoic spruce]

You didn't need restealths...

You tricks the tank and pull constantly

Any second not attacking was a second wasted

[gusty hedge]

see i dont pve cuz my adr would fall off and id be outta vanishes waiting for my next cdr energy starved lol. also pveing in pvp gear so wasnt fun at that time

[stoic spruce]

Well

That's in the past anyway

Now we're stuck with borrowed power era classes with no borrowed power

[gusty hedge]

but all that im speaking from pre tww lol
im still stuck in the past popo, cant get over crackshot gameplay with KS

thought i couldnt get over acro gameplay when they removed it but then i fell in love with crackshot Uhuh Btes for everyone and they mama

[stoic spruce]

I'm still hung up on Flag/DB/GSW

From SL

[gusty hedge]

flag db was 🔥 GsW was the cherry on top

[stoic spruce]

PS crits...

Hrnggg

[spring bough]

Gimme dreadblades once again oh glorious bliss devs

[stoic spruce]

Fuh reealllll

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/forge-dwarf-dwarves-molten-forging-gif-27356913

[spring bough]

Bro you got trampled

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

Nothing a Monster Energy and Rolling Stones can't fix

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/iceman-turnt-iceman-drake-iceman-drake-gif-11717860211430934206

" Iceman turnt Iceman turnt "

[potent pivot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/iceman-xmen--k01KS1MAER3F2BXRCGYHYGSRPSV

[long shore]

when clicking save, the enemy player seems to be removed, do you have that issue?

cant seem to add "player" inside

[spring bough]

Targetenemy should work the same

[stoic spruce]

That macro makes me wanna poo muh pants

[long shore]

ah yes, cause in worldpvp it would randomly sap the mobs haha

but in arena should work well

[hybrid sapphire]

good evening rogues whats the good news

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-gif-27532705

me when circuitparty asks for the good news but there’s never any good news

[dark kernel]

this seems accurate from my 3-3

[hybrid sapphire]

what pvp talents do i run vs this

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/rose-byrne-sign-of-the-cross-pray-praying-gif-7679668783190774657

[hybrid sapphire]

pog

[shy radish]

Anyone got a hang of the arenacore nameplates?

Like, to be able to disable or blacklist what we dont want to track ontop of the bar?

[fathom crag]

feint tricks bomb

[molten hedge]

fought your ass earlier

[hybrid sapphire]

who were you

[molten hedge]

outlaw aff hpal playing with some friends

[hybrid sapphire]

oh i was so scared of you

[molten hedge]

it was a close game

we overlapped

you bombed i said im dead and trinket evasioned and he spell bopped me lol it was over after that

[hybrid sapphire]

rip

[molten hedge]

was a good game

i also ran into you like 2 times the other day playing aff assa voidweaver with some lfg i was the aff and u were playing like priest mage assa

[hybrid sapphire]

yeah those werent so hot

[molten hedge]

you killed the rog bc he wasnt saving stuff for your kingsbane

you are very patient with your kingsbane

[hybrid sapphire]

lol only some days

[stoic spruce]

Like today

[hybrid sapphire]

Broke 2.1 in 3s finally alhamdulillah

[molten hedge]

bismallah

[stiff cedar]

Imagine saying youre dead when you have trinket evasion L bozo

[molten hedge]

i meant dead as in i had to press

brucie just overreacted

he's high strung

[stiff cedar]

I meant dead as in casually pressing my "im gonna stay alive" keybinds

God damn that thing is big

[molten hedge]

im on aronthehvacr rn

@funhole wya

[severe helm]

thats on you

if you said "im dead"

thats the biggest healer cd in the game

they will do everything to prove you wrong

[molten hedge]

Yeah it was poor choice of words lmfaoo

[stoic spruce]

THATS WHAT SHE SAID

[torpid oxide]

hello, i have been playing assa rogue in the arena for the last few days. but have come to the conclusion that i dont really like constant crowd controlling and juggling between cc and damaging people to make plays

I know this is how wow pvp is played in general, but I was wondering if there is a class that is more focused on unrelenting pressure and it's play making is more around when to go all in, when to play slow and focused on damage rather than cc

is there anything that fits that category even if not fully?

[stiff cedar]

Not to me 😔

[lucid citrus]

anyone know why details reset whenever I vanish during arenas? its kinda annoying

[molten hedge]

Windwalker, warrior, both DH specs, ele sham, UHDK, Hunter, and devastation evoker. Ele sham is prob the most utility heavy in there, but it kinda just PVEs

[torpid oxide]

tyty ❤️

[molten hedge]

The easiest to pickup are prob ww, warrior, and devoker

If you like melee, Warrior is really good rn

[torpid oxide]

I enjoy melee more than ranged, getting kicked hurts my soul

alrighty well you gave me a goal at least, I'll lvl
Havoc
Fury
Unholy
Windwalker

and see what feels the best

[grave basin]

Id say arms is a good mix @torpid oxide

Not as zug as fury not as setupy as sub

Esp collosus arms

[torpid oxide]

i'll check them out too, Im just extremely new to wow pvp so im just needing something thats easier that I can get used to how arenas play for a few weeks before i move onto a class that requires finesse

[grave basin]

Ww isnt a good idea imo since it's easy on paper but you just explode

You need to pre karma or port to live

[molten hedge]

Getting kicked on devoker isn’t bad at all you have like 4 spellschools

[torpid oxide]

i shall take it off the list for now then 🙂

[molten hedge]

Devourer DH doesn’t rly need to worry about kicks either. Super mobile and tanky

[torpid oxide]

alrighty then, both DH, fury, and unholy, thats the lvling goal for the next few weeks

too bad timewalking ended lol

[molten hedge]

If you had to pick one melee and one caster, devourer DH and arms are the strongest rn. Glhf

[silent linden]

There is a feature now to try a lvl 80 character. Maybe give that a shot to not spend time to level a character that you might not like

[torpid oxide]

can i bring them into pvp?

because honestly a lot of the other classes i absolutely loved in pve, but then once i was in 3s with buddies is when i noticed the style wasnt for me

[rough rock]

havoc is terrible rn

its super fun but man it sucks really bad currently

[torpid oxide]

i mean not really looking for whats good or not, just what matches my playstyle. A classes strength can change with 1 good patch

im not even at a point in the game where playing on a good class would make a difference to my winrate lol

im literally like 4 days into playing pvp

that being said good to know so at least i know what im getting into

[rough rock]

havoc is very go go go but its really just a low elo demon kinda thing

[torpid oxide]

fair fair

[rough rock]

id say just go arms tbh

although outlaw is fun if you dont want to leave rouge cc behind

[torpid oxide]

my ideals are just, high pressure, plays very aggressve, not super reliant on CC to make plays happen. Has mobility options

honestly if outlaw was less CC i would love it haha

[rough rock]

yeah war no contest then

you just hit till you win

[torpid oxide]

whats the big differences between fury and arms in playstyle?

[rough rock]

1 or 2 braincell difference

[torpid oxide]

because I already have a 90 warr so it would save so much time

XD beyond that

[rough rock]

Arms is more like a tactician style while fury is hit and spam till something dies

Arms if you want to grow a bit more, fury if you just want to walk in and kill stuff

[torpid oxide]

hmm kk

[rough rock]

personally would just say arms, way more comps

[torpid oxide]

I might try out both for a few days and see what feels better, thematically fury sounds way cooler. But also wont know until i try

[lime oar]

play fury if you’re a coward

[stoic spruce]

Play arms if you're a sheep

Make your own moves

Go Prot

[grave basin]

Arms win condition atleast involves ABIT of setup with smash into stun into demolish ms

Atleast with arms you can sorta pinpoint where you can play better to peel/pre d stance/stack them to demolish etc etc

Where else with fury it's more frustrating when you lose since youre just a damage bot

You feel like you dont have much agency

But if you truly dont care then fury is probably your jam

[grizzled basin]

Are there still RBG players here ?

[potent pivot]

barely

the bracket is basically dead

[grizzled basin]

Solo-ification of the game is killing ranked pvp jeez

[stoic spruce]

Esp doesn't help that it's coupled with people getting their 1800 mog and dipping

[grizzled basin]

Let's have +3 ilvl to all gear from team ranked pvp content

[analog tapir]

as assa rogue u have 1 cheap and 1 kidney right? soo what do i cc the healer with like? do i use kidney on gouge-blind kidney ?

[potent pivot]

you also have garrote silence

[analog tapir]

true

but i keep kidney on healer ?

i know it depends

but like

[potent pivot]

that one is situational yea

usually kill target now imo

gotta use bomb/kidney

[analog tapir]

yh

[ocean thunder]

It also depends on how accessible their healer is and how much dmg your team mate can do. For example, if your team mate is pumping you can get to healer vanish cheapshot -> garrote x 2 -> gouge.
Your dots are rolling too even if you are not there.
Ofc if it's priest you know he can PS under cheapshot
If it's druid you can bait their barkskin if you kidney them

Still, it mainly has to do with the flow of the game and how much dam your team mate can do.
Plus, maybe your team mate is having a go already and your target is stun-DRed, then you can safely kindey healer

Another thing to consider is that if your target has already trinketed you practically try to setup:

1. full dots already
2. keep target away from healer
3. make sure he has no defensives up already
   Then you kidney bomb kingsbane deathmark and he disappears, if healer runs in you vanish/meld cheap/garrote healer

[stoic spruce]

@grave basin The hells your problem?

[spring bough]

What this mf do

[stoic spruce]

This bitch...

I'll tell you what he did

He didn't tell me goodnight

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

And you

The fuck is wrong with you?

[gleaming sentinel]

lots of things tbh

[stoic spruce]

Comes free with being human

[gleaming sentinel]

im a night elf

[spring bough]

Hope you get no sleep champ

[gleaming sentinel]

2254 law

[spring bough]

Cruising

[gleaming sentinel]

riding mmr, lol

[spring bough]

Wait till we get buffs gonna feel even better

[gleaming sentinel]

think if i 3-3 im there

[dark kernel]

I think I'm going to quit my job and let my company collapse on itself and become a streamer

This is sure to not fail.

[lime oar]

fuck it

become homeless

[gleaming sentinel]

real

[lime oar]

sell everything. get a laptop.

que shuffle in your local mens shelter

imagine getting mogged in pvp by some homeless guy

[grave basin]

have a goodnight bitch

[outer sky]

Deathmark before kingsbane

[dark moon]

I can't believe this @grave basin guy

[pastel burrow]

I can, he has no spec colour

You just can't trust people like that

[grave basin]

[dark moon]

Also, spec color?

[lime oar]

your name in discord

[dark moon]

What's the assa spec color?

[lime oar]

red

[outer sky]

Red

[dark moon]

Oh

I hate red

[lime oar]

tannies cannot be trusted

[outer sky]

Youre color coded as sub

[lime oar]

skin colored ahh mfs

[dark moon]

Old sub prior legion or post?

[outer sky]

Current sub unforch

[dark moon]

Im googling how to change to red then

[lime oar]

go into the roles here in rog discord i think

[pastel burrow]

They make me want to throw up fr

[dark moon]

Says I have all 3 spec roles

Sub being first on the list dictates my color

[grave basin]

interesting

[dark moon]

Testing

[grave basin]

just heard nahj saying that if youre not playing sub youre not playing rogue

the chudlord has spoken

[dark moon]

Ehm, he only says this when it fits his agenda

But he's also sub main since forever due to sub being playable and the go-to spec

[gleaming sentinel]

such a funny thing to say, like ok bro

[grave basin]

but that's just not true lol

combat was meta spec in wod and assa in wotlk

[dark moon]

You just picked like couple of seasons that people played something else

Also sub was disgusting bis in wotlk

[grave basin]

that's not true at all

reckful was famous in wotlk specifically cause he played sub when it was trash

everyone was mutilate

[dark moon]

But it wasn't trash

Yes, because everyone was shit

[grave basin]

👍

[dark moon]

Also sub shat on assa every time

[lime oar]

what did ppl play last wotlk classic?

[dark moon]

No idea

[grave basin]

not talking about wotlk classic

[dark moon]

Im talking original wotlk

[grave basin]

i mean wotlk wotlk

[dark moon]

Reckful said and i quote

Assa is too one-dimensional

That's why he played sub

[lime oar]

im just saying i think modern players would dominate with wotlk sub

[dark moon]

Ofc they would

Rmp sub was the most op shit ever

[lime oar]

i played feral during wotlk classic tho so idk.

mostly pve

[grave basin]

right as you mention feral

[lime oar]

run him down

[pastel burrow]

Cat blender

[dark moon]

Go enh

Make him regret fotm rolling

[molten hedge]

This is a pretty explosive lobby. Games gonna be a minute

Lumberjack vs thundercat vs turbo vs kitty

[grave basin]

highest damage feral na

[lime oar]

told ya

ez

[dark moon]

Both of the other people are 50% hp

[gleaming sentinel]

guardian druid

[dark moon]

Its like fighting mobs

[gleaming sentinel]

sat in bear

lol

[molten hedge]

I’m ngl

Feral in shuffle feels like paper

In 3s I feel like a god

[dark moon]

i wanted to try feral shuffle

but i dont anymore

gonna get elite set as healer

[gleaming sentinel]

elite set farm sounds so cozy and fun

[dark moon]

it is

its usually couple of shuffles, but yesterday on 1.6 mmr i met only demons, and I was the one playing demonology lock

[grave basin]

flayed this cat

placements go brr

[molten hedge]

It’s miserable every times I’ve tried it. I got around 2400 s2 tww but I just wasn’t having a good time. Maybe it’s funner now with feral frenzy being 30 secs

[molten hedge]

I played aff outlaw hpal ln with some friends and apparently our last game was vs a splay with 37 combined glads and 4 R1s lmao. We ran their asses over

[grave basin]

btw the starting mmr

is like 1881 now

[molten hedge]

The demo had horribly timed gates and portd

[grave basin]

in shuffle

[molten hedge]

MMR is juicing

Infernion went on a rant on stream yday about how MMR is going up 17 daily instead of 2 if you don’t log

[grave basin]

steak too buttery

juicy*

lobster too buttery

[molten hedge]

Impossibruh

Some sous vide ribeyes I did recently

[grave basin]

god damn

i just have minced meat + eggs + fries like a true broke boi

[molten hedge]

My sister bought them bc she wanted me to cook for her boyfriend lol

[grave basin]

ngl feral in this meta sounds completely ass

every lobby is quad melee

[molten hedge]

If you’re familiar with sous vide you know I was all in. Free steak to boil meat in a bag

[grave basin]

you just get run down every game

[molten hedge]

Yeah feral is super hard rn

I’m like 2300 mmr on my aff lock rn and I’ve gotten very acquainted with running my ass off lmao

[dark moon]

i played couple of weeks when the mmr was shit

[molten hedge]

does ddh shift not work like hook? i have an @cursor but still have to click

tf

[outer sky]

This is just going to trivialize every reward

[molten hedge]

yea if it continues

thatd be like 1530 mmr by end of season if accurate

[potent pivot]

It does

I have a cursor macro for mine on my dh

[dark kernel]

Made it to 1880 mmr in 3s last night

The CR is slowly getting up there

[lapis solstice]

i hit 1800 very easily before mmr boost, now im like hard stuck in 1900 post mmr boost. what happened to me? lol thought it be smooth sailing. or maybe just early sesason its easy to climb if you had an initially high mmr from last expansion? idk

even on havoc demon hunter got 1800 easily but now every lobby i feel so gimped. either some dps runs away with the lobby or a healer and i just sit at 0 rating gain.

[potent pivot]

mmr got fully reset this expansion

[molten hedge]

bro wt actual f

fuck me

i didnt drag it to my action bars

this guy

[lapis solstice]

though i did take a break between and maybe that gear discrepancy is catch up to me?

[halcyon timber]

Have a blue post from official sources on that?

[potent pivot]

no

[spring bough]

That’ll do it

[molten hedge]

Correct. But he did pull up his and referenced SS’s from other R1s that showed exactly the same. 17 mmr a day

[halcyon timber]

That is inference, that isn’t an official communication

[spring bough]

Some AI bot put 1 day instead of every 7 days prob

[molten hedge]

I didn’t say it was (:

I don’t have full trust in blizzard to communicate anyway

[halcyon timber]

“My bro said” got it

[molten hedge]

The same multi billion dollar company that forgot to uncap conquest

[potent pivot]

"forgot"

it wasn't supposed to uncap yet

[molten hedge]

Wdym? We’re well past week 11

[potent pivot]

no we are not

[molten hedge]

Didn’t season start Feb 17th

[potent pivot]

week 11 is like, next week iirc

[molten hedge]

Or was it March 17

[potent pivot]

we had a cap of 8800 conquest

and week 1 cap was 1600

that makes this week 10

[molten hedge]

Oh why did they uncap it early

[potent pivot]

because everyone complained

[molten hedge]

Nice

[potent pivot]

because pve crests got uncapped

[molten hedge]

W community let’s keep bitching

I’ve been thinking ssn start Feb 17th. So if it was march 17, ssn should end around September?

[potent pivot]

august i think

[dark kernel]

There is a tentative floating date of season end August 21st which would signify a 22 week season

[spring bough]

Everyone so focused on a schedule lol

Just go with the flow idk

[molten hedge]

my healer is the opposite of that. he will estimate weeks left in a season and correlate our rating to previous seasons by percentages on the ladder and estimate where we will be end of ssn wih inflation. he was actually within like 10 or 20cr last ssn which was wild lol

[gleaming sentinel]

which one of yall was the undead rogue emoting me all game in blitz

(you lost btw)

[rough rock]

Cheesetouch outlaw

[molten hedge]

i played outlaw aff ln shit was super fun for some reason

[cobalt vector]

Is arena core better than sarena? I’ve seen it mentioned a few times now

[severe helm]

hardly

sarena is very good has all the same functionality but imo is more setup out of the box than arena core

also if youre used to the aesthetic/layout of traditional arena frames like gladius etc then sarena will feel very familiar

[spring bough]

Arena core >>>

[severe helm]

I just don't understand the value add

The UI was very clunky for customizing it

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot will tell you

[severe helm]

And it didn't do anything sarena can't

[molten hedge]

i use sarena

only issue i have is the damn trinkets disappearing

[spring bough]

Idk it’s just better

[molten hedge]

@halcyon timber issa nother listen to me bro

[spring bough]

“Trust me bro”

[molten hedge]

lmaoo ik notrickz said u could make arena core look trad

[spring bough]

P sure he ripped on me for using it and now he does too

“AI slop” or something 😂

[molten hedge]

this just in. trickz is a sloppy trad whimsical princess

@lime oar

[copper maple]

There's no upgrading conquest gear with honor anymore, right?

[severe helm]

But then why put that effort in

[dark kernel]

Yeah I'm on your team now too

[dark kernel]

That's been gone for a while

[spring bough]

For fun

[molten hedge]

Idk maybe its less buggy. i will say i didnt notice it til after the fact but theres times when ik someones off DR and it halves or immunes

but it's not often

[copper maple]

My last time playing was DF S1 🙂

[spring bough]

Completely different game now 😭

[halcyon timber]

Cool

[spring bough]

https://tenor.com/view/enhailed-gif-25124254

@molten hedge

[potent pivot]

There’s no “effort” to put in

It has preloaded profiles

[copper maple]

doesn't feel like from the first glance

[severe helm]

They all suck ass

And they all reset all your settings lol

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

okay now i cant pick between trickster or fb

surpirsed to see 47 tricksters on murlok but then again probably so many didnt log back in when the nerfs hit

[severe helm]

its prob that y eah

or they log in to do m+

[rough rock]

IN A WORLD FULL OF BURST I AM THE WINNER

disarm doesnt do anything against enh burst right?

[potent pivot]

it does

stops like half the dmg or smth

[molten hedge]

Certain builds I think it stops most of it. Not 100% sure on that. @stiff cedar lmk. Also I just learned from Nalaa that disarming a DDH on melee build when they go in for their burst makes them unable to press whatever the one tap is. They can just glimpse it off, but it’s good to know

I just know when we’re dying 100-0 and I disarm, nothing happens. So I think it doesn’t let them press anything. At least on doom winds

[outer sky]

It does a lot

[tacit lotus]

Hi, which Poisons are the beste Right now to use for assa in pvp ?

[outer sky]

Wound and crippling

[tacit lotus]

And if we go for 4 poisons ?

[outer sky]

Wound, crippling, amplifying, numbing

[tacit lotus]

Deadly is Not better than amp? Thanks

[outer sky]

You probably could use deadly. Amp just adds a bit more burst to your kingsbane windows

[tacit lotus]

Ah ok thank you

[ocean thunder]

https://wowarenalogs.com/stats?tab=spec-stats&bracket=Rated Solo Shuffle&sortKey=winRate&minRating=2100&maxRating=4999&trendChartSpecs=&trendChartStat=representation

Interesting read - only outlaw seems healthy really

[molten sentinel]

Hey what is the downside of having a sword in offhand in pvp?

[potent pivot]

really small dataset

[potent pivot]

for what spec

[molten sentinel]

oh sure sry. sub

[potent pivot]

way less shadow tech procs

its a ridiculously large damage loss to run anything that isn't daggers

[molten sentinel]

holy

im nearly 2,3k and im wondering now why people are only playing daggers. thanks!

[potent pivot]

less energy, less combo point generation, less apex procs, etc

[molten sentinel]

oh jesus. so i should 100% craft a wep i guess haha thanks 🙂

[stiff cedar]

You already got answered by guiseppi pinged me so I still saw disarm definitely stops a lot of enh dmg during their cds. Best thing you can do is just disarm>stun everytime they pop. If youre disarmed but have stacks you can press an instant cast lightning bolt, maybe 2 if it resets (same way BTE resets) but after that you dont rly have much. Some stuff you can press but none of it is killing someone

[rough rock]

yeah i was more focused on the fdk burst when they were on same team

surprised they didnt win a single time together

[stiff cedar]

Everytime we play into enh fdk hell ask who to disarm and im like brother I have no idea in hell just do your thing lmfao

That comp is crazy if played well

[rough rock]

yeah when fdk was on my team he just wanted to slam healer and it worked lmao

only round i lost was with enh

[stiff cedar]

Dks are pretty good healer killers

I remember in another cord im in a buddy who's a healer said something about dps in shuffle being dumb bc some just decided "go healer" and hes like "that never works the healer just adapts and doesn't die and we just lose the round for free" and i was like, i mean generally yeah its not a good target, but the guy who said it was also a frost dk he wasnt like trolling on purpose lmao

Its valid

[potent pivot]

sub and assa can also just randomly drop healers sometimes

[stiff cedar]

True

Especially assa tbh sometimes a team would just be rotting during like incarn and stuff last ssn and guiseppi would be able to just randomly cheap a healer and get them into 35% and kingsbane was just tod so it was an easy way to win

[spring bough]

How’s outlaw today

[gilded gulch]

i swear assa just murders rdruids

if they have no trinkets+no prehot

just gonezo

[river pollen]

Fully geared finally

Is it normal that even with the human racial i got 20% vers with all crafted gear (excluding 4 piece tier set) lol

Humans are op

[outer sky]

Arena Analystics is back to tracking Shuffle!!!

[hybrid sapphire]

good evening rogues whats the bad news

[vocal surge]

My ribs aren't done

[outer sky]

Rets are still in the game

[hybrid sapphire]

idk rets seem easier to kill lately

[outer sky]

How? They havent lost anything that previously made them hard to kill

[hybrid sapphire]

idk they got dumber

[outer sky]

How? Thats like falling off the floor

[hybrid sapphire]

idk ask them

[high meadow]

R1 SUB Rogue in 2s

[outer sky]

What healer? Mistweaver Monk?

[worthy edge]

I’m working on my focus macros. Been a tab target selector for too long and really need to up my skill on a focus tar.

[high meadow]

pres evoker

[worthy edge]

I ran some 2s with a MW about 2 weeks ago went 4-1

Those evokers can be stupid op too

[outer sky]

I think MW is a better teammate for a sub rogue becasue Zen Spheres can help carry damage during burst windows

[worthy edge]

You’ll get no argument from me. Had some nice clean wins.

[high meadow]

Double sleep into sap into full kidney is 17 seconds of CC and it's spamable every kidney DR. It's really good.

[wanton breach]

Spammable sleep walk is so bullshit

[stoic spruce]

I sure could use some of that...

[jaunty terrace]

guys what do we do of the item that upgrade stuff to 298, I have like 20 of them 😮

[fading storm]

Sry for prob asking the same questions for the 1000 time but im New hehe what Poisn we use in pvp somehow i can 3 now

[rough rock]

They will get removed next update

You’ll just get compensated with gold

[pine ibex]

nice

[grave basin]

https://youtu.be/R03kZbRzC-s?si=YzKP7TBMo0WVi64p

[dark moon]

Profit for not playing

[potent pivot]

if running DTB you run wound/amp/crippling and you can add numbing or atrophic and your 4th

can also just not run DTB and only run wound/crippling

[copper maple]

Is there any general overview of all classes in PvP, their main CDs and what to look out for to get up to speed?

[potent pivot]

There’s a few

MiniCC has a list on the addon itself

Arenalogs has lists on its site

[copper maple]

I'll check those out, ty 🙂