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isnt turbulent timeways timewalking too?
Yeah it’s like timewalking on crack tho
pika on the outlaw 👀
we just go conquest neck/ring etc. this season right?
no need to craft i feel? cause vers is general still way from cap
no
depends on spec
the spec that ppl have been running the most vers on is outlaw, and you still don't craft neck/rings. you craft 1 ring, belt, boots or some combination like that
sub and assa go mostly crafted gear
is timewalking that fsat? @spring bough i swear its super slow
??????? what the hell this is ugly af
I got lucky que times earlier today. Was probably a min avg as dps. Takes a couple dungeons per level
That's what you get for wanting generic rogue mogs
i use my 19 twink mog and my sunwell mog only lol
wallahi
I had a disc priest defend top cart in mines all game before. It's luck mode
Did you even gain MMR from that?
idk i dont play blitz
somebody DMd me asking to add me and I felt bad
like dawg, I've played 7 blitz matches this whole season
i hate this bracket
blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>shuffle. Fixed it
that’s how it works
it’s around 15-20 placement games
so your mmr will go down by a lot but also up a lot for 20 games
p sure u need to lose one game then start winning again so u get out of this
like it seems very scripted
it’s fun bracket tbh but mmr is fucked u either lose a lot of mmr or gain too much
I had a frost mage just throw my game that should have been a 6-0 evoker im so fucking mad, we lost to BM/Havoc despite the fact that priest use GA, DH used Dark, and the BM used turtle all overlap
like how the fuck do we lose that
he has to take me back now right? should i text him
Did you make sure you got your bench up before playing war?
I hear once you bench 275 you get a passive 10% dmg increase
Soon....
@abstract stratus 
My condolences
Panic trinket is a hard habit to break
wasnt panic , he just oogaboogas 
honestly would have had that game if he didnt imo lol
"how am i sapped" LMFAOOOOOOOOOO
i gottem with that one lol
Rookie numbers
What’s the best rogue spec for shuffle rn?
The one you find the most enjoyable to play
Just got my assa to 90, are we running 4set in pvp?
Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
weird oki
Wut
My warrior main was coming out
Haha damn
Like that goop from spiderman 2
I was about to say every bench is a nice bench
The only spiderman that doesn't need to manufacture his web
The cool spiderman
Also he only shoots it from the wrists
I think the new Spiderman movie has Tom shooting from wrists actually
Iirc
The trailer looks great
Haven't seen it
Missing out
Well not seeing the movie would be missing out
Not the trailer, but it is good.
I don't watch trailers
I pick a movie from the title
That's usually how it goes
Maybe I've missed some good ones with dumb names, but that's how I roll
A bit
i'll probably update when i'm done or when i quit
i quit
I respect the grind and effort
can't say i didn't try
True and yes
i hate hunters
what is this ludicrious ammount of fucking cc
also first shuffle in two weeks and I get a blood dk lobby?!
now I get flammed for not keeping a DK alive who is LoSing his healer 24/7 and afking in the smokebomb
clearly my (the healer) fault
now I got flamed again for a monk dying in a smokebomb due to him trinketing hte very first stun
I love shuffle
@spring bough Ironic cause the Iceman was a nice man, now I'm hot and cold.
dumb question but im pretty new to game
in solo shuffle do you run
Amplify - Wound
or
Deadly - Wound
for lethals
Male troll is one of the few good models
Their spinny attack looks cool too
wound amplify if you dont have another mortal strike effect in the party. Else you can wing it and go deadly amplify
Male trolls, one of the remaining few bastions of classic WoW
kk ty
Np
All horde races pre nightborne are the good ones
No pandas
They know what they did
Male night elf enjoyer
i feel fucking useless as outlaw shuffle and still win
i long for the day that i understand what i'm supposed to do
what other class solo's delves as easy as rogues do
probably all the classes with a tankspec
i dont wanna tank tho just wanna be dps spec and balls to the wall with it
rogue alt
i still find it funny survival hunts dual wielding dags now lol
yeah ima do it in PVP cause its cool
leveling up just went from a 60ilvl dag to a 160ilvl dag... its so over for these timewalks GG
I managed to do 1930 to 2130 in 2 days from coming back from a 3-week break
I'm setting myself a pretty lofty goal to get back to elite in 2 weeks, and if I can I'm going to try for glad
You should still go for glad even if you dont get elite in 2 weeks
Conquest isnt even uncapped yet
Seasons not even close to over
This seasons glad should be pretty easy
Im 2270cr
2 wins from 2300
bro just do it in a day
Ill probably get glad next week
But even if I dont
Ill get it the next week
Like you legit have months
So def dont not push for it just because you dont get elite in 2 weeks when theres so much time left after that
survival is so ez lol. hit kill command. get stacks. bomb/raptor spend em. rinse repeat
season jsut started imo
in pve sv is braindead yea
use an addon that tracks tip stacks
i have mine displayed like combo points
my resource bar already shows it lol
Pretty much
insane lol
sv unholy dk and enhance has the same "problem"
where one person with insane autism has 10 alts that are all r1
🤣
My kid is being born 3 days before season end 
does anyone know what addon says "trinketed" like the old gladiator losa did. i heard it on nahjs stream the other day and have been racking my brain ever since
Plenty of time
I think its minicc
i have that and its a dif voice and i dont see a setting for it
dont let nothing stop u from enjoyin warcraft
thats ages away
I know, it's more of a factor of my age too. I'm turning 36 soon, I have a second kid coming. By the next time I will legitimately have time or inflation might be this way again I will be too old to really have the opportunity to have a glad. This is essentially my one and only shot
Lost opportunities in my youth
and he dies without blocking in the awc
truve
dont be sad be happy
full blues to capped, almost there
Brother I have a full ass career kids and house to maintain that ain't the same
Hey me too, i have a 40hr/week job, a side hustle, 2 kids and their sports and a house
hardest part of glad pushing for us is scheduling with a team imo
Yeah, I may be lucky and have some people to help
Pain dude. I feel it
My guild gets on like as im going to bed and we have like 2 dedicated pvpers
they die ez
its fine, i have fun with solo q
3s is cool but i cant really get on at consistent times
how did it go
1-3 so far
that's an ez 4 2 for the war
Ive just been getting back into pvp this season. Been playing sub so far and like it but some lobbys just feel terrible and im happy if I can atleast get a draw. Its hard to coordinate CC in shuffles
Feels like against monk and warrior they just train a target down and I cant do anything
I try to shiv slow, disarm (obviously cant do that to monk) rotate my stuns on them to mitigate pressure
But they still just zug away and either kill the healer or me lol
I am calling this now like I’ve been saying, these China team gonna wipe AWC
Rogue war sounds cool to watch, wonder if it was outlaw war
average bgb player screeching like the win is his life
All I can think of spamming these shuffles
Just really liked that playstyle even if it was aggravating at times
If im top 50 assa rogues in shuffle for US how realistic would it be to shoot for glad mount? Am I delusional or is it possible? Not really sure but the 2.2k lobbies feel kinda random in shuffle
I miss upper handed hitter
It’s deff possible. 2.2-2.3k rn in shuffle is probably pretty close to glad with inflation if it continues going up
Can I get the mount from shuffle? I feel like 3s would be more difficult right
No
Only 3s
Hard part with 3s is finding a team/good comp where your schedule jives
Best comps would probably be with devoker, frost mage, boomie, or affliction @broken prism
hunter in this game DMd me after game 1
did not work out
also AFKd the end but we finished the game beforehand
what's the tuning release schedule?
idk if they have anymore scheduled
probably not gonna get anything until next patch lol
@grave basin Bicmex hit 2729 in shuffle as survival 😂
oh btw
seems like smokebomb blocks friendly LoS if you drop it at the same time a friendly cc is cast on a target inside the smoke
finally got to delve rank 10 lol
It doesnt
If that really happened to you then thats a very rare very odd bug
I keep getting rets who can't use any defensive on anyone other than themselves
I get one of two arms wars. Either top dmg or bottom. No in between
did an outlaw shuff, my mmr got juiced bu only snagged a 2-4
2-4 is the new outlaw life 😭
That actually doesnt even sound that bad for a rogue
No frost mage/no ret
yea its not bad, just depends how good the warrior is
if i can 3-3 like 3 games in a row im chillin
That shit where they intervene the shaman's go so you cant do anything to stop it is so aids
Yeah we did that after Saul mentioned the strat to my friend. And then I try to Bladestorm so they disarm into it lmaoo
Bladestorm or parry
Both stop disarm yeah
yes
that just happened to me
i disarm and kinda go what just ahppeed
and die
LOL
Gona have to clip that
It's handicap season 🙂
prot
and prot is the coolest warrior spec in pve
fury is cool but its just not as cool
it cant compete with arms and prot on the cool scale
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby kinda power level
currently in an MM, enhance and ret lobby.... with a preso and a holy pally
why is enhance shaman beyond S tier dmg rightt now wtf is this
hear the storms coming in and some1 dead instant
it so scary
Just disarm doomwinds insta then gouge
W
And they’re sad
I’ve never seen a full doom winds used 
real chads play neither
No wonder bigdam's graveyard is full then
i havent come across that scrub yet lmao
Ready for some outlaw dmg buffs not gonna lie
No wei
Skillcapped says outlaw is S tier shutup van
im being facetious
I know, but isn't that weird?
kinda but not totally bc its a 3s tierlist. and the goal of most ppl playing 3s is to get glad which is top 1 or 2% of players
Fk Bigmoran bro that guys on something
Every time I see his X posts I cringe
he thirsty as fuhh
Dude lol. I saw him replying to some e girls and I was crying laughing how thirsty he was
the last one i saw was Snowmixy
rly good EU hpal
she was like in a bikini, and said hpal needs buffs. and he was like maybe youre right maybe hpal does need buffs lmao
it's not just all him though they have a lot of r1s at their tier list roundtables
…thicker than a bowl of oatmeal
🦮
do we prefer badge or insignia for sin?
I've seen both and not sure which I should go for. Have been using honor badge and its been nice
both are fine
insig more overall dps
Thanks
suppose we're at the point where it doesnt matter as much since conq will be uncapped soon
Got the DK, and hunt ready. What should be the next one. Shaman for enhance?
trying to learn sub rogue (no pve knowledge, have only played sub rogue and no other specs in one season for TWW s2)
I'm seeing some conflicting stuff in guides on what the burst rotation is and am assuming it's just that I'm not finding a good content creator for it. Is there a decent resourse for this?
most guides are very shit
sub is basically just strike->evis now
replace strike with cheap when you need to stun and try not to gap your stuns, replace evis with sec tech where applicable
the rotation is ridiculously easy now
completely disregard guides like icyveins at this point, especially the gear on there
yes
Was mostly Youtube guides, I feel like Icyveins/Wowhead is only good for pve related content
I saw one Youtube guide taht had Evis two times in a row in the burst rotation...? I feel like that is weird and I don't get why
apex procs full point refunds
So should I be hitting Evis twice in a row then?
when you proc it
You react to the proc yes
Ok makes sense
If you have 6 or 7 combo points after using Evis, send it again
Can't reproc a 3rd time i take it?
It can technically
It just probably wont
Double Evis is very common were swimming in combo points like it's leftover pizza
Yo mama
Hmm def feels easier than TWW s2 then
yeah 100%
games as sub in solo shuffle feel like they are getting slightly easier in the 1700-1850 range due to people being able to coordinate with my cc
learning sub in TWW s2 was awwful for me but felt great later
I think we all need to reroll the most broken specs for a week or two so people start facing said specs more often. They would start crying and those specs would get nerfed. We can start with enh 😄
I lowkey may just be a fotm reroller tbh
I guess it's the intention behind the reroll
I would do it if it tilts the scales and I get spec x nerfed. Still mad about rogue nerfs
Actually rogues are the biggest counter to enhancement shamans. Them being meta is very good for us
BigDam even posted earlier about how despite Enh being obscenely busted, he thinks it still wont see much play in AWC just due to how countered it is by rogues
Let me see if I can find the post
Here
Isn't enh tanky af atm
Yeah but they have to win with their doomwinds burst and as rogues we have 4 different DRs that can be used to stop the shaman's go, none of which are dispellable
The way you beat an enhance shaman is
You dont necessarily "go" them
You avoid putting them on DR
Until they send their go
Then you use all your DRs to shut it down
And they basically cant win unless they get absolutely perfect set ups every go
Which is very difficult to do vs a team thats actively looking for their set up to stop their go
And generally speaking, we should be doing something similar into every class/spec. But its just way more impactful vs enh because they literally cannot win outside of their CDs
At least a very large majority of the time
This sounds like the way they shut us down during our gos
I mean not enh, but everyone in the lob
Disgusting
Well, sub can cover its own go. Assa's go only lasts like 3 seconds, and outlaw doesnt really have a "go" in the same sense that enh does. Its not that much more lethal with CDs than without.
But rogues also all have kidney shot. We can at least identify one person most likely to stop us on our go and remove them for 5 seconds. Enh doesnt have a stun like that. They have cap totem which is a very telegraphed, casted stun that can be killed and only lasts 3 seconds. So they just dont have the same level of protection for their go that we do and their win con is way more reliant on it
I need to learn and practice cause im getting shut down a lot
What spec are you playing?
Oh I updates the weapon on my warrior mog. I like this WAY better
Amani War Spear
It has the bones to match the wrists from the set
Assa
That weapon fits perfectly
I also checked the loa sword - i have it
Im currently rocking the high warlord axe which has a skull in the center
I feel like the loa sword is weird to go with this set because we dont really see trolls using 2h swords besides some Zandalari
The Darkspear really dont
Typically we see Darkspear trolls using spears, axes, staffs, or glaives
Record some gameplay and ill vod review it for you. I provide feedback with exact time stamps so its easy to follow
That's a nice gesture. I'll get some records
Thanks
Yep, it did. Didnt record it though. Ill try clip it if it happens again @severe helm
@potent pivot
Alt leveling gonna be even crazier
If delve turn in is up by 66% that’s gotta be at least level 85 for all turn into max no?
so how do i deal with frost mage as assa rogue? it feels impossible to do anything
can anyone send the best pvp build for assintuon rogue solo shuffle?
.
Aren't those once per account though
Per character
pray they mess up
like classic wow garrote so they cant blink away but then again they can still blink out of a stun and kite/slow you all game
smile, alrighty lmao
so far my gameplan has basically been cry and hope they slip on my tears

Erm not to be that guy but when I was leveling up my DK after my rogue, I couldn't do the quests I already did on my rogue.
Unless it was bugged, which would be a surprise to no one tbh
Scientists have 24 hours to respond
It’s even in the guides and the addon for leveling lmao
So?
That doesn't change the fact I couldn't redo the quests on a different character lol
Silly boy
Ive done em on 3 characters
that's some weird shit
i have couple of 90s and not now, nor in prev expacks ive had this happen to me
Should I have made a ticket? I'm starting to think y'all ain't messing with me
If you really cant do them on alts then yeah make a ticket
Cuz everyone else can
There's gotta be a step I'm missing or something idk
Good shamans place it los and project it as it’s going off
I know. I dont think that changes my point though
You chose the zone on the map next to the be leader?
Ye
And the breadcrumbs just lead to no where?
Nothing
Harandar
It applied to every zone though. I could only do the ones my rogue didn't do
Bs
make sure thats not unchecked
I'll make note of this and check later, I asked elsewhere and they were being mean to me so I gave up
I mess with that setting a ton so that's probably what it was
Do you need to complete this quest to level up
This was on my DK, it's already lvl 90
on sub is it worth playing just 2 tier set with head+shoulders/legs
Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
How’s the DK shuffling
4 Hour maintenance on Tuesday is so Blizzard can lift API restriction on seeing external cooldowns. Calling it
👀
I would be SO surprised tbh
prob to revert our feint pvp talent obv
CDR coming back too??????
I hated the totems man such a pain. Especially the one you had to move for the pvp talent for crit chance or whatever it was
I am the only Highmountain rogue in the entire sub ladder 
Why do people hate fun?
Bull Rush is low-key good
Last time I played enhance I ignored all the totem talents. Even the relocate one 😂
put your whole enemy team on stun dr?
Nah mate it's GREAT mobility too. I only rarely situationally use it as a interrupt if there are 2 people stacked casting "oh shit" spells and the game is on the line
Also the damage reduction is still smhexy
why is the elite recolour so ass
why are 90% of them ass
i wanna get priest and warlock one before season ends
priest is the only one I got so far
i miss the way elite gear was in legion
My high rogue was HMT but switched to orc. I did like bullrush for getting out of bomb
Wish I could still get those sets
the season 3 and 4 elites were so good
true, they were hella good
too bad I am not using the elite rogue set from back then due to swapping to alliance
idk
they'll be worth around 140k
mhm
when is that supoosed to go live? 0.7?
mhm
Alt army time
Pins
same time as turbulent timeways too
I think 80-90 is like 5m exp or so
So idk if you’d even be able to do delve turn ins at 86 to cap
my last alt with 25% warband mentors i stopped at 87.25 or so and got to 90
with a 66% buff to delve quest it will surely be 86
maybe late 85
10 ye
im dipping a toe into pvp cuz every couple years i get the itch to dick around with it. is it probably not worth touching bgb till im caught up to have full or wherever we're at conq gear? i melt people in unranked bgs, but the handful of ranked ones have gone
poorly
I think people tend to miss the one at top of silvermoon (darkway) and parhelion plaza way up near magister's terrace
would at least get the free weapon tokens/heraldries and a few pieces
i somehow managed to lose those and cant find them in the item restore
figured the weapons nbd cuz i just have my regular pve ones and theyre large
alright, guess it's either skill issue or bad luck with teams then 
with 25% they'd be like 166k each, so like 1.6m total

Warmode works for most of them too, then you add the crafting stuff
i already added in warmode to that ye
so it'd be slightly less because of the ones that don't get it i think
outlaw or assa
whatever your heart desires
im asking which is doing better in pvp
Outlaw
all 3 specs of rogue are very similar in performance rn
Only real chads play outlaw
I started running sleight and KIR and it chunks
😐
Now we just need outlaw buffs
I never stopped
I WANT TOPLAY TWO ROGUES AND I DONT WANT TO DUAL SPEC BUT I NEED TO JUSTIFY IT SOMEHOW LIKE PLAYING ONE SPEC IN PVE AND ONE IN PVP AAA


Second I went back got elite in shuffle lol
Pick what's fun
That's your justification
i dont think you understand what im saying
thats also completely unhelpful in any circumstance
play whats fun.... woa really
no rogue spec is doing well enough to warrant a proper answer to this
just play assa
What everyone is telling you is that all 3 rogue specs are so fucking close in how good they are. That "picking best" is irrelevant
There is no best
They are quite literally equal right now
This is like the first time in history it's ever happened. Probably on ANY class in the game
no it isn't
this has kinda been the case for like
3 expansions now
I mean you can name a class and era and we can see
every rogue spec is shit so you just pick the least shit
I don't recall a time where one class has had 3 specs at the "same" competitive viability
We are talking different things
wot
“Good”…. 
Give outlaw a 20% aura buff and then we can talk
I mean sub does not feel the greatest but it doesn't feel awful, and I'm running high haste still which isn't the best anymore
I know Outlaw got nerfed but was it as bad as the coin damage nerve for worse I thought it wasn't that bad
All three specializations feel about A-tier
I mean he’s right, there’s probably never been a time where all 3 specs of a class are so bad that you’re better off playing any other class than Rogue right now
I think there's a difference
I do not think any of the rogue
specializations are awful. I think there are a handful of classes that are just really rough that are massive outliers
Arms is over buffed, enhances over buffed, Frost Mage is illegal
I understand exactly what youre saying
I dont think you understand what im saying
the specs are all performing in very close margins in pve and pvp
you could justify playing all 3 specs
enough you
by the day of the week
if you want
it doesnt matter
none of them cant be justified
theyre all equally powerful
There is no justifying two different rogues for different specs right now. GG
Come back next season maybe we will be good
@serene pilot hey bud just in case you're curious all 3 rogue specs are solid rn
can just play whatever you want
Hope that helps
🫡 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👉 👉
idk i think there's def been times like that
just with the way tuning happens things don't stay the same for very long
and the fact there's 3 main brackets of pvp also changes the framing of the discussion greatly
like sub is very good in blitz
assa is usually quite good in shuffle
etc
reading comprehension on point
"play whats fun"
shrimpy: "Go fuck yourself"
"play whatever you want"
shrimpy: "THANK YOU FINALLY!"

you're a really smart guy
Whats that make you then
You forgot the spitting meme in between all that
lolol
I almost forgot…. Only R1s get to speak here why do we even respond or listen smh
Multi R1s*
Ty for the lunch time reading content
That's what I'm here for
Damn @severe helm those some big numbers in just 3 years 👀
most of the time
alright bro
Mewo gotta pump those PvP numbers. Can’t have a multi R1 in pve channel more than here smh
im always watching
you actually have me beat for #pvp
I mean I just have it open while im at work
gotta keep myself vaguely entertained
in between stuff running/building/etc
theres a lot of "wait 1 min" in my job
guy has more messages in pvp than i do in the whole server by a factor of 10 though i have been in the server for 3 years less to be fair
pressing enter more often also def inflates the messages
outlaw players amirite? @spring bough
APM always highest in the game
why do we not play with ct?
We do
use the 2nd fatebound build in the pins, not the first
haven't updated the first cuz its used less
its more of a ST build
took number 1 rogue now trying it now
huh
thats probably 4 poisons and sudden demise
try zoldycks and sudden demise, no 4 poisons
what poisons do u use on 2?
wound and crippling
You are not a real ravenholdt discord member if you have not had at least 1 arguement with you
Oh shit
when did they remove the water walking with sprint? it was so nice to have in bgs
it was sub, but now it seems all gone
unless I'm missing it somewhere in the talents
Its gone
I believe so
It was always a glyph
Glyph of Blurred Speed or something
But it hasn't been in the game in a while
They removed it during the Legion pre-patch
So like ~10 years ago
legion had some other goofy stuff like fall damage immunity for sub
All rogues were immune to fall damage
was kinda funny oneshotting people in mid air with the crit legendary and no dying
I think it was an artifact trait
for sub
Nah it was a class passive
perhaps
No
Youre right
I was thinking of something else
It was a Fangs of the Devourer trait
I remember my friend was playing feral and saying "why rogues have this Catlike reflexes and not druids on feral?"
For sub
Because they have 9 lives so they can afford to take some fall damage
I thought it does
in cat form
Nah. They dont have "catlike reflexes", a total fall damage immunity. They have "Feline Grace" which is roughly equivalent to rogue "safe fall". A fall damage reduction, not immunity like Catlike Reflexes for sub was. Also, every druid has that in cat form, not just feral.
aaah okay didnt play in legion I thought that was just what the reduced fall damage was called
Oh Legion
Yes ...
Legion would be so peak rn
Gimme borrowed power and gimme tonnes of it. Especially if it works and isn’t nerfed in PvP
we need ability to ban lobbies with certain players
I would rather shove a cactus up my ass then have any more classic beyond mop
We've been so deep into classic wow that we've really realized that it's not that good
Woah now u don’t wanna play classic wow for the fourth time thru???? Smh
Blizzard should allow the players to have either a permanent vanilla, permanent wrath, permanent TBC server and no more
Or just do a cycle between those three and nothing else
And then once you reach the end of the cycle, all your characters get consolidated on a permanent wrath realm
Legion would be the only classic worthwhile
Nope not a chance
It's got everything we need
I understand why people would want to play it, but I'm literally at the point that if you actually think you want another classic you're just wrong and I won't discuss it further
Every single expansion that we have gone deeper into the cycle of Warcraft has been worse than the one before it
Idk about all that now
Misa pandaria is a literally unplayable
People forgot how boring everything pre Legion was
Legion is literally my worst of all time PVP expansion
It's my only f-tier and I've played PVP in every single cycle of World of Warcraft
classic +
template pvp
On each character
Let's not act like blizz would do a 1:1 of old Legion
When did you start playing the game
04
Makes your statement even more confusing
Wdym
A lot of people that played that long think Legion is the best expansion as well, but mostly for the lore in the PVE
I've never heard any person think that Legion was the actual best PVP expansion
We'll just have to let each other have their opinions, the stat template system I think was dead awful
legion and spec identity was so goated
If they fixed current class balance I would dare say that midnight would be my favorite PVP expansion ever
They just need to fix the three outlier classes in healer balance
full moon moonkin still in my top 5 favorite playstyles ive ever experienced
Teehee
I never got the other specs artifact weapons 
i was a druid back then and did all of it
got all the mage tower forms
made another druid just to do it agian
Did y'all play rogue in legion out of curiosity
This explains a lot more
Legion was like the expansion where it was like Rogue is a dead class
There was no class fantasy
Outlaw has the ONLY one
But the spec was terrible
before df i played druid since vanilla, but my first ever wow char was a rogue. then i rerolled with my friend on alliance and he went rogue so i went druid
so we could stealth around
Mine was a combat rogue
I remember PK
I'd get so mad that Throwing Knife wouldn't kill anything
I was 5
Popo
LOL
Do you remember th season 6 frost DK insanity
I am 38 rofl
Where Icy touch hot for 30% of people HP
And it was like the biggest nerf in wow history
That specifically no but I remember bdk/ret Hysteria
Yeah nobody remembers this
When blizzard literally botched how sigil damage was calculated
And the sigils for icy touch increased the base damage BEFORE all modifiers
Leading to it accidentally quadrupling the skill damage
And then crit and other modifiers
speaking of nerfs
You could legitimately icy touch someone 3x and it was insta death
i wonder if they gonna nerf doom winds
i also love how that robotz guy cries nonstop about hunter
I could probably reroll war and play that and get glad and I'm starting my war tonight
Imma be honest
As a person who has personally spoken to quite a few rank one players over the years, some of them are chill really cool normal people. The rest of them are practically non-functioning in normal society
@jolly sierra how is mop classic going for you
Everyone thinks their class has it the worst and everyone else is OP
its super cringe ngl
I try not to talk to anyone about it because everyone is super biased
Vanilla beta so like 03/04 here 😂
Van is the only person I know who played longer than me
Right now I feel like the only outliers are Frost mage, warrior, enhance shaman and then obviously preservation evoker
But had my dad got divorced sooner I'd take the crown
pretty much same
I finally played against a frost Mage that was actually skilled and realized that the fact that they can never be stunned is not something that should function in this game
day 1 player
tha ret paladin slow has to go as well
On my list the next thing that I would put is red Paladin utility
they just sprint around at mach 5 and im just perma slow
I was outside GameStop with my mom at midnight waiting in line for that TBC purchase then went home and had to install FOUR CDs before even playing lmaoooooo
I was there for TBC lunch too
I definitely remember the game not even getting installed until like 2:00 in the morning and I only played for like 45 minutes before bed
My dad took me to TBC launch
Because it was a school day
I was in high school though so I just drove with a friend
No that was wrath, dad surprised me with TBC after school one day
I remember the next day I was talking to my computer science teacher and he was dog tired because he stayed up playing too, and we were talking about all the people who were gone that day from skipping school
They let me skip school that day and I played all day long 😂
I hit rank 13 in vanilla pvp bro
Poor old guy died of blood cancer not that long ago I kept in touch with him
I did 10, but I purposefully deranged myself like 4 times because I was a dumbass
HWL orc rogue
i am playing midnight rn
need gold for month
but got the elite set so i am fine
back then druid didnt want the weapon. so i got th efull set and that world dragon feral weapon
i have a pvp video on wcm somewhere if they go back that far lol
The fact I don't have the world dragon sword transmog that mirrors the one from blackwing lair makes me sad
You know the dragon headed one except the dragon head is green
Full PvP gear before AQ came out was so OP
Open world just like 2 shotting most people lol
i still ride my merc glad drake. its like a high school lettermans jacket
Imagine having the same account after all these years, couldn't be me 
washed up dad mount
I wish I played more arena back then
I was more into guild raids every weekend night lol
I didn't pvp until wrath, even then I was super casual
i really didnt raid until the last couple expacs
First Glad in WoD
Swapped to blood DK and tanked first 3 raids of wrath
I was always after that naxx 2H mace from trash drops. Then I missed one raid. Logon to guild forums to 100 notis. And it dropped and they disenchanted it
I should've paid my dad to have his account and made him a new one. He absolutely would've said yes
Arisen was the guild on Frostmane. Was anyone on that server?
I was a Burning Blade boy
“Better than zombies” was the guild slogan
And Black Dragonflight
I think my one DH is still in that guild on retail lol
Jayg was the GM
Slyisdead was the guild priest lol
I don't remember names at all 
Man screw yall
Got me all sentimental and shit
WoW pre 2019 is a sensitive subject
Crazy to think Ive been playing since tbc, pvping casually, but didn't do my first proper rated grind until legion
Saw that final season rogue set and was like yeah okay maybe arena is cool
You know what's funny about Legion to me is that I never got tired of the grind until like S3 Shadowlands lol
For BP I mean
I LOVE grinding for player power
The dopamine of doing shitter dmg and then seeing your dmg quadruple once you get the leggo is unmatched
With how alt friendly and catch up friendly blizz is now, they could definitely do a BP expansion without acquisition being hella cringe
Tbf I don't mind borrowed power systems, I just think BFA was sketchy and then SL really overkilled it
There was so much shit in SL
So fucking much
I don't think conduits needed ilvl is all
Yeah I personally think conduits shouldve just been like
More of the same conduits made that specific conduit better would've been fine
A talent system really
The were if you think about it
We had enough to grind for
Yea just removing the grind part ig
Like ultimately SL had some cool ideas it was just fumbled
I bigly agree with this though
It's my favorite expac but I'll admit the flaws overshadowed everything good it had going on
You're the first person to see my vision
I think a lot of people deep down would enjoy borrowed power in small quality doses
This is coming from someone who thinks DF was as boring as WoD so maybe don't put too much weight on this
But they're just sore from the past
Yeah for sure
We need a midnight season like this 👀
Closest we had was in DF with the fire ring
Dude
There's nothing to do in modern wow
I NEED to be told what to do
This is a stretch, I just like chores that effect my character permanently
September needs to hurry
@spring bough how would you feel if classic+ was announced and they said they were resetting all the lore from vanilla and retelling it?
AND
Big and
There are order halls for the classes
Classic but with order halls
Give me
Arena
healers are not healing today wtf
SoD was near perfect for extra abilities and playstyles imo
I agree
Anything close to that but in classic+ and I'm happy
This may be a hot take
But
I don't want flying in classic+
No flying BUT summoning stones
I’m only playing if rogue combo points are on character and not per target
Idc about lore bro I just play. All I want is that one life improvement for rogue
They'd after to do something astronomical for me to play rogue with that CP
Classic plus uncapped flurry would have me like 
Oh dude that'll make me play lol
Nah, no flying. I think flying in retail WoW has it's place in the game world, but never in base azeroth
That would be my combo points on target exception lol
Yeah idk if there's a cook that's top that
Yall bugging. Yes flying. Not tryna spent 1.5 hours walking across a continent
And we need in capital portals to other capitals
Need meeting stones summons to work too
Also need that world buff boon thingy in classic plus too
Honestly it should just not go away on death
Or be dispellable
ON TOP of the boon
There's no rye chips in my Chex mix
World buffs should just not work in raids
Turtlewow worked that way and it was fine
Holy fuck yes to all of it you genius
You can add thousands of bots and the AH is always full. You can interact with the bots and party up with them and these bots aren't like blizzards, these are smart. You can also change how much each resource node gives.
You can add expansions at will. So that got me thinking, I should turn WoW into a single player RPG and in order to progress through the content, you have to complete raids in chronologic order. Each time you complete a raid, the gear you craft and the gear in dungeons upgrades. Now running a raid solo sounds crazy obv but that's honestly nothing more than a tuning thing. Once you beat the final boss of an expansion, you unlock the next expansion.
I merely just know what I want
Idk how I'd do class design
I'm not doing vanilla class design, more than likely something more modern
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Yeah that happens sometimes
I hope I can make this P2P
Surely the tech exists
You on one tonight go off king
I found out it DOES exist
Thank you kindly
Cheap and kidney stay diff DRs. That’s a GG
Remember when they were going to give ret Howling Blast in SoD?
Would've been crazy
its not crazy
think haste is more valuable energy-wise
but i can double check in a bit
So dumb question, but this is my first expac playing rogue so I don’t have a full grasp on the talents and what not. I noticed that most sin players on murlok and streamers like pika play dtb, but seems like it’s not as liked here. Why is that? Ive been playing dtb but will be trying the pinned build later tonight
dtb is bait
other build is just better in most scenarios
cant wait to try it tonight then
the murlok build
whats the word for it
the blind following the dumb?
the blind leading the blind?
i don't remember
lol blind leading the blind, but thats good perspective for me
but its off some youtube video and copy pasted off icyveins etc
what poisions for non dtb then? wound and crippling?
ya
sweet, thanks
Do yall see BoP show up anywhere as an icon on nameplates and whatnot
thats the same build
oh

Has anyone experienced framedrops/stuttering when you vanish using betterblizzplates?
sometimes addons can hitch a bit when u switch combat states since so many things are changed on that status change
3 wins in a row and was kicked... uh ok
Yessssir
Way better than that other build
I just played dtb all the time 😲
DTB makes no sense in PVP when you actually think about it


