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stoic spruce
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Well poo

spring bough
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isnt turbulent timeways timewalking too?

potent pivot
spring bough
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pika on the outlaw 👀

waxen meteor
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we just go conquest neck/ring etc. this season right?

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no need to craft i feel? cause vers is general still way from cap

potent pivot
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depends on spec

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the spec that ppl have been running the most vers on is outlaw, and you still don't craft neck/rings. you craft 1 ring, belt, boots or some combination like that

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sub and assa go mostly crafted gear

fathom crag
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is timewalking that fsat? @spring bough i swear its super slow

hybrid sapphire
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??????? what the hell this is ugly af

spring bough
stoic spruce
hybrid sapphire
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i use my 19 twink mog and my sunwell mog only lol

stoic spruce
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If you say so

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I'll believe you this time

hybrid sapphire
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wallahi

dark kernel
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i hate this bracket so much

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why am I 2200 even how am I in a 1600 game even?

mystic tundra
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I had a disc priest defend top cart in mines all game before. It's luck mode

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Did you even gain MMR from that?

dark kernel
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somebody DMd me asking to add me and I felt bad

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like dawg, I've played 7 blitz matches this whole season

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i hate this bracket

stoic spruce
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Real

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3s>2s>>>>blitz>>>>>>>>>>>>shuffle

spring bough
stoic spruce
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I'll allow it

fathom crag
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it’s around 15-20 placement games

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so your mmr will go down by a lot but also up a lot for 20 games

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p sure u need to lose one game then start winning again so u get out of this

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like it seems very scripted

dark kernel
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i havent lost a game LOL

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im 7-0

fathom crag
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just keep playing it will go up eventually

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blitz is just about pressing q

dark kernel
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yeah I know I dont play blitz because I hate it

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i just think its funny

fathom crag
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yea mmr system is cooked

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now if you lose it’s -500 mmr

dark kernel
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thats hilarious

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clown bracket

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i just stick to arena

fathom crag
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it’s fun bracket tbh but mmr is fucked u either lose a lot of mmr or gain too much

dark kernel
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I had a frost mage just throw my game that should have been a 6-0 evoker im so fucking mad, we lost to BM/Havoc despite the fact that priest use GA, DH used Dark, and the BM used turtle all overlap

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like how the fuck do we lose that

hybrid sapphire
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he has to take me back now right? should i text him

severe helm
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Did you make sure you got your bench up before playing war?

stoic spruce
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Absolutely

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I will absolutely walk the walk

severe helm
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I hear once you bench 275 you get a passive 10% dmg increase

stoic spruce
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Soon....

gleaming sentinel
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@abstract stratus Norm1

abstract stratus
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LMFAO

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IDK WHY HE TRINKETED SAP

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MY FRIEND IS STUPID

stoic spruce
abstract stratus
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Hes learning

stoic spruce
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Panic trinket is a hard habit to break

abstract stratus
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wasnt panic , he just oogaboogas dead

stoic spruce
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Based tbh

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We win NOW or not at all

abstract stratus
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honestly would have had that game if he didnt imo lol

hybrid sapphire
abstract stratus
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i gottem with that one lol

mystic tundra
harsh owl
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What’s the best rogue spec for shuffle rn?

unreal marsh
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The one you find the most enjoyable to play

dark moon
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Whichever you're best at

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Assa is a good choice

torpid oxide
potent pivot
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!tier

lethal roostBOT
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Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

torpid oxide
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weird oki

dark moon
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2 set

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Cause 4 piece is shit for pvp

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Also sets are nerfed by 50% in pvp

stoic spruce
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You're shit

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Noob

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Post your bench

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Sorry sorry

dark moon
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Wut

stoic spruce
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My warrior main was coming out

dark moon
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Haha damn

stoic spruce
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Like that goop from spiderman 2

dark moon
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I was about to say every bench is a nice bench

dark moon
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The only spiderman that doesn't need to manufacture his web

stoic spruce
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The cool spiderman

dark moon
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Also he only shoots it from the wrists

stoic spruce
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I think the new Spiderman movie has Tom shooting from wrists actually

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Iirc

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The trailer looks great

dark moon
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Haven't seen it

stoic spruce
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Missing out

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Well not seeing the movie would be missing out

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Not the trailer, but it is good.

dark moon
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I don't watch trailers

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I pick a movie from the title

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That's usually how it goes

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Maybe I've missed some good ones with dumb names, but that's how I roll

dark moon
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A bit

harsh kiln
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Ugh.. i think it's about time i start now

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aiming for top 10 eu

dark moon
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Gl mate

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Share the journey with us

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Oh snap it says outlaw

harsh kiln
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i'll probably update when i'm done or when i quit

harsh kiln
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i quit

dark moon
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I respect the grind and effort

harsh kiln
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can't say i didn't try

dark moon
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True and yes

harsh kiln
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rough first lobby

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it's aight.

wanton breach
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i hate hunters

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what is this ludicrious ammount of fucking cc

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also first shuffle in two weeks and I get a blood dk lobby?!

stoic spruce
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:3

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Sowwy

wanton breach
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now I get flammed for not keeping a DK alive who is LoSing his healer 24/7 and afking in the smokebomb

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clearly my (the healer) fault

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now I got flamed again for a monk dying in a smokebomb due to him trinketing hte very first stun

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I love shuffle

stoic spruce
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And now I'm flaming you for not winning

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🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

gusty hedge
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@spring bough Ironic cause the Iceman was a nice man, now I'm hot and cold.

dark moon
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rawr 84 arms warrior

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gotta catch 'em all

torpid oxide
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dumb question but im pretty new to game

in solo shuffle do you run

Amplify - Wound
or
Deadly - Wound

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for lethals

grave basin
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Their spinny attack looks cool too

dark moon
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true

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never had a troll before

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i kinda like it

dark moon
stoic spruce
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Male trolls, one of the remaining few bastions of classic WoW

stoic spruce
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Np

grave basin
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Male troll, orc and the smol races are the only good ones

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Vulpera/gnome/goblin

stoic spruce
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All horde races pre nightborne are the good ones

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No pandas

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They know what they did

gleaming sentinel
willow tartan
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i feel fucking useless as outlaw shuffle and still win

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i long for the day that i understand what i'm supposed to do

spring bough
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what other class solo's delves as easy as rogues do

willow tartan
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probably all the classes with a tankspec

stoic spruce
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Ye

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Hunters as well

spring bough
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i dont wanna tank tho just wanna be dps spec and balls to the wall with it

spring bough
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misdirect too

willow tartan
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rogue alt

grave basin
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Frost mage

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Any hunter spec

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Dev dh

spring bough
grave basin
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Only in pve

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Dual wielding daggs looks awesome

spring bough
spring bough
dark kernel
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I managed to do 1930 to 2130 in 2 days from coming back from a 3-week break

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I'm setting myself a pretty lofty goal to get back to elite in 2 weeks, and if I can I'm going to try for glad

outer sky
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Conquest isnt even uncapped yet

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Seasons not even close to over

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This seasons glad should be pretty easy

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Im 2270cr

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2 wins from 2300

outer sky
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Ill probably get glad next week

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But even if I dont

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Ill get it the next week

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Like you legit have months

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So def dont not push for it just because you dont get elite in 2 weeks when theres so much time left after that

spring bough
gleaming sentinel
grave basin
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use an addon that tracks tip stacks

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i have mine displayed like combo points

spring bough
grave basin
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bicmex is 2680 in shuffle btw

outer sky
spring bough
grave basin
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sv unholy dk and enhance has the same "problem"

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where one person with insane autism has 10 alts that are all r1

dark kernel
abstract stratus
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does anyone know what addon says "trinketed" like the old gladiator losa did. i heard it on nahjs stream the other day and have been racking my brain ever since

abstract stratus
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i have that and its a dif voice and i dont see a setting for it

spring bough
dark kernel
# outer sky Plenty of time

I know, it's more of a factor of my age too. I'm turning 36 soon, I have a second kid coming. By the next time I will legitimately have time or inflation might be this way again I will be too old to really have the opportunity to have a glad. This is essentially my one and only shot

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Lost opportunities in my youth

grave basin
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brotha called 36 old

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isnt raiku close to or in his 40s

abstract stratus
grave basin
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truve

spring bough
gleaming sentinel
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full blues to capped, almost there

dark kernel
gleaming sentinel
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hardest part of glad pushing for us is scheduling with a team imo

grave basin
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enhance seems

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really good

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LMAO

dark kernel
gleaming sentinel
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i had a squad last season but they play at my normal bedtime

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LOL

dark kernel
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My guild gets on like as im going to bed and we have like 2 dedicated pvpers

spring bough
gleaming sentinel
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3s is cool but i cant really get on at consistent times

gleaming sentinel
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me assa vs enhance/ret/warr

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2x paladin healers

grave basin
gleaming sentinel
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1-3 so far

grave basin
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that's an ez 4 2 for the war

gleaming sentinel
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caight warr snagged a 2-4

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hard lob

undone swallow
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Ive just been getting back into pvp this season. Been playing sub so far and like it but some lobbys just feel terrible and im happy if I can atleast get a draw. Its hard to coordinate CC in shuffles

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Feels like against monk and warrior they just train a target down and I cant do anything

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I try to shiv slow, disarm (obviously cant do that to monk) rotate my stuns on them to mitigate pressure

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But they still just zug away and either kill the healer or me lol

rough rock
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I am calling this now like I’ve been saying, these China team gonna wipe AWC

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Rogue war sounds cool to watch, wonder if it was outlaw war

gilded gulch
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average bgb player screeching like the win is his life

gleaming sentinel
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All I can think of spamming these shuffles

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Just really liked that playstyle even if it was aggravating at times

broken prism
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If im top 50 assa rogues in shuffle for US how realistic would it be to shoot for glad mount? Am I delusional or is it possible? Not really sure but the 2.2k lobbies feel kinda random in shuffle

spring bough
molten hedge
broken prism
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Can I get the mount from shuffle? I feel like 3s would be more difficult right

molten hedge
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No

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Only 3s

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Hard part with 3s is finding a team/good comp where your schedule jives

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Best comps would probably be with devoker, frost mage, boomie, or affliction @broken prism

dark kernel
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hunter in this game DMd me after game 1

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did not work out

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also AFKd the end but we finished the game beforehand

harsh kiln
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what's the tuning release schedule?

spring bough
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probably not gonna get anything until next patch lol

potent pivot
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I doubt that

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Maybe after MDI, or before/after next awc rounds

spring bough
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@grave basin Bicmex hit 2729 in shuffle as survival 😂

harsh kiln
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oh btw

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seems like smokebomb blocks friendly LoS if you drop it at the same time a friendly cc is cast on a target inside the smoke

spring bough
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finally got to delve rank 10 lol

outer sky
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If that really happened to you then thats a very rare very odd bug

gleaming sentinel
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every lobby has been

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bm hunter, arms warr enhance

mystic tundra
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I keep getting rets who can't use any defensive on anyone other than themselves

spring bough
gleaming sentinel
spring bough
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2-4 is the new outlaw life 😭

outer sky
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No frost mage/no ret

gleaming sentinel
gleaming sentinel
outer sky
molten hedge
outer sky
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Both stop disarm yeah

gleaming sentinel
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that just happened to me

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i disarm and kinda go what just ahppeed

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and die

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LOL

severe helm
stoic spruce
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Yall

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Arms or fury?

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... Prot..?

pastel burrow
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arms

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arms is the coolest warrior spec in pvp

spring bough
pastel burrow
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and prot is the coolest warrior spec in pve

stoic spruce
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I do love prot gameplay

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So anything but fury

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Got it

pastel burrow
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fury is cool but its just not as cool

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it cant compete with arms and prot on the cool scale

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hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby kinda power level

stoic spruce
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I love prots pvp talents

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Very cool

spring bough
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gd BTE nerfs.....

spring bough
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why is enhance shaman beyond S tier dmg rightt now wtf is this

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hear the storms coming in and some1 dead instant

gleaming sentinel
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You’re on a timer

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3 doom
Winds and it’s joever

spring bough
molten hedge
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Just disarm doomwinds insta then gouge

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W

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And they’re sad

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I’ve never seen a full doom winds used pepe_chad

spring bough
molten hedge
spring bough
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i havent come across that scrub yet lmao

spring bough
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Ready for some outlaw dmg buffs not gonna lie

stoic spruce
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No wei

molten hedge
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Skillcapped says outlaw is S tier shutup van

stoic spruce
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That's because the ranking is top heavy

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More upper echelon ranks than lower

molten hedge
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im being facetious

stoic spruce
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I know, but isn't that weird?

molten hedge
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kinda but not totally bc its a 3s tierlist. and the goal of most ppl playing 3s is to get glad which is top 1 or 2% of players

spring bough
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Every time I see his X posts I cringe

molten hedge
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he thirsty as fuhh

spring bough
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Dude lol. I saw him replying to some e girls and I was crying laughing how thirsty he was

molten hedge
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the last one i saw was Snowmixy

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rly good EU hpal

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she was like in a bikini, and said hpal needs buffs. and he was like maybe youre right maybe hpal does need buffs lmao

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it's not just all him though they have a lot of r1s at their tier list roundtables

gleaming sentinel
spring bough
cobalt vector
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do we prefer badge or insignia for sin?

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I've seen both and not sure which I should go for. Have been using honor badge and its been nice

potent pivot
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insig more overall dps

cobalt vector
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Thanks

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suppose we're at the point where it doesnt matter as much since conq will be uncapped soon

spring bough
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Got the DK, and hunt ready. What should be the next one. Shaman for enhance?

lucid nimbus
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trying to learn sub rogue (no pve knowledge, have only played sub rogue and no other specs in one season for TWW s2)

I'm seeing some conflicting stuff in guides on what the burst rotation is and am assuming it's just that I'm not finding a good content creator for it. Is there a decent resourse for this?

potent pivot
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sub is basically just strike->evis now

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replace strike with cheap when you need to stun and try not to gap your stuns, replace evis with sec tech where applicable

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the rotation is ridiculously easy now

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completely disregard guides like icyveins at this point, especially the gear on there

lucid nimbus
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I saw one Youtube guide taht had Evis two times in a row in the burst rotation...? I feel like that is weird and I don't get why

potent pivot
lucid nimbus
potent pivot
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when you proc it

pastel burrow
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You react to the proc yes

lucid nimbus
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Ok makes sense

pastel burrow
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If you have 6 or 7 combo points after using Evis, send it again

lucid nimbus
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Can't reproc a 3rd time i take it?

pastel burrow
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It can technically

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It just probably wont

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Double Evis is very common were swimming in combo points like it's leftover pizza

stoic spruce
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Yo mama

lucid nimbus
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Hmm def feels easier than TWW s2 then

pastel burrow
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It's extremely easy

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But it's also midnight, everything's drastically easier

lucid nimbus
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yeah 100%

undone swallow
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games as sub in solo shuffle feel like they are getting slightly easier in the 1700-1850 range due to people being able to coordinate with my cc

lucid nimbus
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learning sub in TWW s2 was awwful for me but felt great later

dark moon
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I think we all need to reroll the most broken specs for a week or two so people start facing said specs more often. They would start crying and those specs would get nerfed. We can start with enh 😄

stoic spruce
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I lowkey may just be a fotm reroller tbh

dark moon
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I guess it's the intention behind the reroll

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I would do it if it tilts the scales and I get spec x nerfed. Still mad about rogue nerfs

outer sky
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BigDam even posted earlier about how despite Enh being obscenely busted, he thinks it still wont see much play in AWC just due to how countered it is by rogues

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Let me see if I can find the post

dark moon
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Isn't enh tanky af atm

outer sky
# dark moon Isn't enh tanky af atm

Yeah but they have to win with their doomwinds burst and as rogues we have 4 different DRs that can be used to stop the shaman's go, none of which are dispellable

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The way you beat an enhance shaman is

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You dont necessarily "go" them

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You avoid putting them on DR

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Until they send their go

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Then you use all your DRs to shut it down

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And they basically cant win unless they get absolutely perfect set ups every go

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Which is very difficult to do vs a team thats actively looking for their set up to stop their go

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And generally speaking, we should be doing something similar into every class/spec. But its just way more impactful vs enh because they literally cannot win outside of their CDs

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At least a very large majority of the time

dark moon
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This sounds like the way they shut us down during our gos

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I mean not enh, but everyone in the lob

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Disgusting

outer sky
# dark moon I mean not enh, but everyone in the lob

Well, sub can cover its own go. Assa's go only lasts like 3 seconds, and outlaw doesnt really have a "go" in the same sense that enh does. Its not that much more lethal with CDs than without.

But rogues also all have kidney shot. We can at least identify one person most likely to stop us on our go and remove them for 5 seconds. Enh doesnt have a stun like that. They have cap totem which is a very telegraphed, casted stun that can be killed and only lasts 3 seconds. So they just dont have the same level of protection for their go that we do and their win con is way more reliant on it

dark moon
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I need to learn and practice cause im getting shut down a lot

outer sky
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Oh I updates the weapon on my warrior mog. I like this WAY better

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Amani War Spear

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It has the bones to match the wrists from the set

dark moon
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That weapon fits perfectly

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I also checked the loa sword - i have it

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Im currently rocking the high warlord axe which has a skull in the center

outer sky
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The Darkspear really dont

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Typically we see Darkspear trolls using spears, axes, staffs, or glaives

outer sky
# dark moon Assa

Record some gameplay and ill vod review it for you. I provide feedback with exact time stamps so its easy to follow

dark moon
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Thanks

harsh kiln
rough rock
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@potent pivot

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Alt leveling gonna be even crazier

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If delve turn in is up by 66% that’s gotta be at least level 85 for all turn into max no?

torpid oxide
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so how do i deal with frost mage as assa rogue? it feels impossible to do anything

cosmic thistle
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can anyone send the best pvp build for assintuon rogue solo shuffle?

median crater
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.

stoic spruce
rough rock
gusty hedge
torpid oxide
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so far my gameplan has basically been cry and hope they slip on my tears

gusty hedge
stoic spruce
# rough rock Per character

Erm not to be that guy but when I was leveling up my DK after my rogue, I couldn't do the quests I already did on my rogue.

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Unless it was bugged, which would be a surprise to no one tbh

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Scientists have 24 hours to respond

rough rock
stoic spruce
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So?

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That doesn't change the fact I couldn't redo the quests on a different character lol

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Silly boy

stoic spruce
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I've done them on one

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"where's my electric car Bruce??"

dark moon
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i have couple of 90s and not now, nor in prev expacks ive had this happen to me

stoic spruce
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Should I have made a ticket? I'm starting to think y'all ain't messing with me

outer sky
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Cuz everyone else can

stoic spruce
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There's gotta be a step I'm missing or something idk

molten hedge
outer sky
grave basin
stoic spruce
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Ye

grave basin
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And the breadcrumbs just lead to no where?

stoic spruce
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Nothing

grave basin
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Calling bs

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Which zone did you pick

stoic spruce
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Harandar

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It applied to every zone though. I could only do the ones my rogue didn't do

spring bough
gleaming sentinel
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make sure thats not unchecked

stoic spruce
# gleaming sentinel

I'll make note of this and check later, I asked elsewhere and they were being mean to me so I gave up

gleaming sentinel
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happened to me when i was doing the delve quests on alts

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then i was like oh

stoic spruce
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I mess with that setting a ton so that's probably what it was

spring bough
stoic spruce
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This was on my DK, it's already lvl 90

forest laurel
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on sub is it worth playing just 2 tier set with head+shoulders/legs

lethal roostBOT
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Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

spring bough
spring bough
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👀

spring bough
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Why’s it 4 hours tomorrow tho

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Did they even say

gleaming sentinel
spring bough
grave basin
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anotha one

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easiest 1800 ever just press W never stop gaspedalling

spring bough
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Get them nerfed pls and thank you

grave basin
molten hedge
dark kernel
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I am the only Highmountain rogue in the entire sub ladder garf_sit

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Why do people hate fun?

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Bull Rush is low-key good

spring bough
grave basin
dark kernel
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Also the damage reduction is still smhexy

wanton breach
grave basin
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i wanna get priest and warlock one before season ends

wanton breach
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priest is the only one I got so far

stable ivy
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i miss the way elite gear was in legion

molten hedge
spring bough
stable ivy
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the season 3 and 4 elites were so good

wanton breach
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too bad I am not using the elite rogue set from back then due to swapping to alliance

potent pivot
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they'll be worth around 140k

wanton breach
potent pivot
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mhm

wanton breach
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when is that supoosed to go live? 0.7?

potent pivot
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mhm

spring bough
stable ivy
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same time as turbulent timeways too

potent pivot
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I think 80-90 is like 5m exp or so

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So idk if you’d even be able to do delve turn ins at 86 to cap

past tangle
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my last alt with 25% warband mentors i stopped at 87.25 or so and got to 90

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with a 66% buff to delve quest it will surely be 86

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maybe late 85

potent pivot
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How many delves is there now

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10?

past tangle
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10 ye

golden thistle
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im dipping a toe into pvp cuz every couple years i get the itch to dick around with it. is it probably not worth touching bgb till im caught up to have full or wherever we're at conq gear? i melt people in unranked bgs, but the handful of ranked ones have gone Hmm poorly

past tangle
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I think people tend to miss the one at top of silvermoon (darkway) and parhelion plaza way up near magister's terrace

potent pivot
golden thistle
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i somehow managed to lose those and cant find them in the item restore kek figured the weapons nbd cuz i just have my regular pve ones and theyre large

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alright, guess it's either skill issue or bad luck with teams then pepewritedown

potent pivot
past tangle
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Warmode works for most of them too, then you add the crafting stuff

potent pivot
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i already added in warmode to that ye

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so it'd be slightly less because of the ones that don't get it i think

serene pilot
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outlaw or assa

severe helm
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whatever your heart desires

serene pilot
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im asking which is doing better in pvp

severe helm
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neither tbh

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prob assa

spring bough
severe helm
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all 3 specs of rogue are very similar in performance rn

spring bough
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Only real chads play outlaw

severe helm
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assa is easier in stuff like shuffle

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outlaw can be good in certain comps

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sub same

spring bough
serene pilot
#

😐

spring bough
#

Now we just need outlaw buffs

severe helm
serene pilot
#

I WANT TOPLAY TWO ROGUES AND I DONT WANT TO DUAL SPEC BUT I NEED TO JUSTIFY IT SOMEHOW LIKE PLAYING ONE SPEC IN PVE AND ONE IN PVP AAA

spring bough
spring bough
severe helm
#

That's your justification

serene pilot
#

i dont think you understand what im saying

#

thats also completely unhelpful in any circumstance

#

play whats fun.... woa really

potent pivot
#

just play assa

dark kernel
#

There is no best

#

They are quite literally equal right now

#

This is like the first time in history it's ever happened. Probably on ANY class in the game

serene pilot
#

everyone

#

i got it big man

dark kernel
#

Thank you I am very wide

#

4'6" and 4'11" wide, healthy

potent pivot
#

this has kinda been the case for like

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3 expansions now

dark kernel
potent pivot
#

every rogue spec is shit so you just pick the least shit

dark kernel
#

I don't recall a time where one class has had 3 specs at the "same" competitive viability

#

We are talking different things

potent pivot
#

wot

spring bough
#

Give outlaw a 20% aura buff and then we can talk

dark kernel
#

I mean sub does not feel the greatest but it doesn't feel awful, and I'm running high haste still which isn't the best anymore

#

I know Outlaw got nerfed but was it as bad as the coin damage nerve for worse I thought it wasn't that bad

#

All three specializations feel about A-tier

gleaming pawn
# potent pivot wot

I mean he’s right, there’s probably never been a time where all 3 specs of a class are so bad that you’re better off playing any other class than Rogue right now

dark kernel
#

I think there's a difference

#

I do not think any of the rogue
specializations are awful. I think there are a handful of classes that are just really rough that are massive outliers

#

Arms is over buffed, enhances over buffed, Frost Mage is illegal

severe helm
#

I dont think you understand what im saying

#

the specs are all performing in very close margins in pve and pvp

serene pilot
#

omg

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go away

#

shoosh

severe helm
#

you could justify playing all 3 specs

serene pilot
#

enough you

severe helm
#

by the day of the week

#

if you want

#

it doesnt matter

#

none of them cant be justified

#

theyre all equally powerful

spring bough
spring bough
#

Come back next season maybe we will be good

pastel burrow
#

@serene pilot hey bud just in case you're curious all 3 rogue specs are solid rn

#

can just play whatever you want

#

Hope that helps

serene pilot
#

finally someone answers simple question

#

was that so hard you guys

pastel burrow
#

🫡 👁️ 👄 👁️ 👉 👉

potent pivot
#

just with the way tuning happens things don't stay the same for very long

#

and the fact there's 3 main brackets of pvp also changes the framing of the discussion greatly

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like sub is very good in blitz

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assa is usually quite good in shuffle

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etc

severe helm
#

"play whats fun"
shrimpy: "Go fuck yourself"

"play whatever you want"
shrimpy: "THANK YOU FINALLY!"

serene pilot
#

you're a really smart guy

severe helm
#

Whats that make you then

spring bough
severe helm
#

lolol

spring bough
# severe helm lolol

I almost forgot…. Only R1s get to speak here why do we even respond or listen smh

#

Multi R1s*

gleaming sentinel
severe helm
#

That's what I'm here for

serene pilot
#

when arent you here

#

🫣

spring bough
#

Damn @severe helm those some big numbers in just 3 years 👀

potent pivot
serene pilot
#

alright bro

spring bough
severe helm
severe helm
spring bough
#

Damn I gotta get a life

severe helm
#

I mean I just have it open while im at work

#

gotta keep myself vaguely entertained

#

in between stuff running/building/etc

#

theres a lot of "wait 1 min" in my job

keen canopy
#

guy has more messages in pvp than i do in the whole server by a factor of 10 though i have been in the server for 3 years less to be fair

severe helm
#

pressing enter more often also def inflates the messages

#

outlaw players amirite? @spring bough

spring bough
cosmic thistle
#

why do we not play with ct?

outer sky
potent pivot
#

haven't updated the first cuz its used less

#

its more of a ST build

cosmic thistle
#

took number 1 rogue now trying it now

potent pivot
cosmic thistle
#

i took the top rogues build from murlok

#

trying it now

potent pivot
#

try zoldycks and sudden demise, no 4 poisons

cosmic thistle
#

what poisons do u use on 2?

potent pivot
#

wound and crippling

rough rock
dark kernel
#

Oh shit

copper maple
#

when did they remove the water walking with sprint? it was so nice to have in bgs

severe helm
#

been a minute

#

I thought sub was the only one who had it for a lil while

copper maple
#

it was sub, but now it seems all gone

#

unless I'm missing it somewhere in the talents

outer sky
copper maple
#

rip

#

i think it was even a glyph in wrath, wasn't it?

#

or am i making things up

outer sky
#

It was always a glyph

#

Glyph of Blurred Speed or something

#

But it hasn't been in the game in a while

#

They removed it during the Legion pre-patch

#

So like ~10 years ago

copper maple
#

legion had some other goofy stuff like fall damage immunity for sub

outer sky
copper maple
#

was kinda funny oneshotting people in mid air with the crit legendary and no dying

#

I think it was an artifact trait

#

for sub

outer sky
#

Nah it was a class passive

copper maple
#

perhaps

outer sky
#

Youre right

#

I was thinking of something else

#

It was a Fangs of the Devourer trait

copper maple
#

I remember my friend was playing feral and saying "why rogues have this Catlike reflexes and not druids on feral?"

outer sky
#

For sub

outer sky
outer sky
# severe helm I thought it does

Nah. They dont have "catlike reflexes", a total fall damage immunity. They have "Feline Grace" which is roughly equivalent to rogue "safe fall". A fall damage reduction, not immunity like Catlike Reflexes for sub was. Also, every druid has that in cat form, not just feral.

severe helm
#

aaah okay didnt play in legion I thought that was just what the reduced fall damage was called

stoic spruce
#

Oh Legion

stoic spruce
#

Yes ...

spring bough
#

Gimme borrowed power and gimme tonnes of it. Especially if it works and isn’t nerfed in PvP

mystic tundra
#

we need ability to ban lobbies with certain players

dark kernel
#

We've been so deep into classic wow that we've really realized that it's not that good

spring bough
dark kernel
#

Blizzard should allow the players to have either a permanent vanilla, permanent wrath, permanent TBC server and no more

#

Or just do a cycle between those three and nothing else

#

And then once you reach the end of the cycle, all your characters get consolidated on a permanent wrath realm

stoic spruce
dark kernel
stoic spruce
#

It's got everything we need

dark kernel
#

I understand why people would want to play it, but I'm literally at the point that if you actually think you want another classic you're just wrong and I won't discuss it further

#

Every single expansion that we have gone deeper into the cycle of Warcraft has been worse than the one before it

stoic spruce
#

Idk about all that now

dark kernel
#

Misa pandaria is a literally unplayable

stoic spruce
#

People forgot how boring everything pre Legion was

dark kernel
#

Legion is literally my worst of all time PVP expansion

#

It's my only f-tier and I've played PVP in every single cycle of World of Warcraft

stoic spruce
#

Legion PvP was goated

#

Besides honor talenta

gleaming sentinel
#

template pvp

stoic spruce
#

On each character

gleaming sentinel
#

get bodied by tanks everywher ein the world

#

honor talents

#

yea no

stoic spruce
#

Let's not act like blizz would do a 1:1 of old Legion

dark kernel
#

When did you start playing the game

stoic spruce
#

04

dark kernel
#

Makes your statement even more confusing

stoic spruce
#

Wdym

dark kernel
#

A lot of people that played that long think Legion is the best expansion as well, but mostly for the lore in the PVE

#

I've never heard any person think that Legion was the actual best PVP expansion

stoic spruce
#

It wasn't the best, just really good

#

Fdk so OP it's the reason we have pvp mods

dark kernel
#

We'll just have to let each other have their opinions, the stat template system I think was dead awful

gleaming sentinel
#

legion and spec identity was so goated

stoic spruce
#

It was

#

Outlaw also hard countered feral

dark kernel
#

If they fixed current class balance I would dare say that midnight would be my favorite PVP expansion ever

#

They just need to fix the three outlier classes in healer balance

gleaming sentinel
#

full moon moonkin still in my top 5 favorite playstyles ive ever experienced

stoic spruce
#

Legion unholy was pretty sick ngl

#

Pun intended

stoic spruce
#

Teehee

dark kernel
#

I hate all three rogue specializations in Legion

#

I think they're awful

stoic spruce
#

I never got the other specs artifact weapons pepe_chad

gleaming sentinel
#

i was a druid back then and did all of it

#

got all the mage tower forms

#

made another druid just to do it agian

dark kernel
#

Did y'all play rogue in legion out of curiosity

gleaming sentinel
#

im a new rogue :>

#

started outlaw in DF, but really tww s1

dark kernel
#

This explains a lot more

#

Legion was like the expansion where it was like Rogue is a dead class

#

There was no class fantasy

#

Outlaw has the ONLY one

#

But the spec was terrible

gleaming sentinel
#

before df i played druid since vanilla, but my first ever wow char was a rogue. then i rerolled with my friend on alliance and he went rogue so i went druid

#

so we could stealth around

stoic spruce
#

Mine was a combat rogue

#

I remember PK

#

I'd get so mad that Throwing Knife wouldn't kill anything

#

I was 5

dark kernel
#

Popo

gleaming sentinel
#

LOL

dark kernel
#

Do you remember th season 6 frost DK insanity

gleaming sentinel
#

I am 38 rofl

dark kernel
#

Where Icy touch hot for 30% of people HP

#

And it was like the biggest nerf in wow history

stoic spruce
dark kernel
#

Yeah nobody remembers this

#

When blizzard literally botched how sigil damage was calculated

#

And the sigils for icy touch increased the base damage BEFORE all modifiers

#

Leading to it accidentally quadrupling the skill damage

#

And then crit and other modifiers

stoic spruce
#

That's awesome

#

Should bring that back

gleaming sentinel
#

speaking of nerfs

dark kernel
#

You could legitimately icy touch someone 3x and it was insta death

gleaming sentinel
#

i wonder if they gonna nerf doom winds

dark kernel
#

Enhance and war need pretty sizeable nerfs

#

Pres Turbo is illegal good

gleaming sentinel
#

i also love how that robotz guy cries nonstop about hunter

dark kernel
#

I could probably reroll war and play that and get glad and I'm starting my war tonight

gleaming sentinel
#

and he's the second highest rated player in shuffle NA

#

as a hunter.

dark kernel
#

As a person who has personally spoken to quite a few rank one players over the years, some of them are chill really cool normal people. The rest of them are practically non-functioning in normal society

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Everyone thinks their class has it the worst and everyone else is OP

gleaming sentinel
stoic spruce
#

I try not to talk to anyone about it because everyone is super biased

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Van is the only person I know who played longer than me

dark kernel
#

Right now I feel like the only outliers are Frost mage, warrior, enhance shaman and then obviously preservation evoker

stoic spruce
#

But had my dad got divorced sooner I'd take the crown

gleaming sentinel
dark kernel
#

I finally played against a frost Mage that was actually skilled and realized that the fact that they can never be stunned is not something that should function in this game

gleaming sentinel
#

day 1 player

gleaming sentinel
dark kernel
gleaming sentinel
#

they just sprint around at mach 5 and im just perma slow

spring bough
#

I was outside GameStop with my mom at midnight waiting in line for that TBC purchase then went home and had to install FOUR CDs before even playing lmaoooooo

dark kernel
#

I was there for TBC lunch too

#

I definitely remember the game not even getting installed until like 2:00 in the morning and I only played for like 45 minutes before bed

stoic spruce
#

My dad took me to TBC launch

dark kernel
#

Because it was a school day

#

I was in high school though so I just drove with a friend

stoic spruce
#

No that was wrath, dad surprised me with TBC after school one day

dark kernel
#

I remember the next day I was talking to my computer science teacher and he was dog tired because he stayed up playing too, and we were talking about all the people who were gone that day from skipping school

spring bough
gleaming sentinel
#

I hit rank 13 in vanilla pvp bro

dark kernel
#

Poor old guy died of blood cancer not that long ago I kept in touch with him

gleaming sentinel
#

i wa a degenerate

#

tbc glad as well

dark kernel
spring bough
jolly sierra
#

need gold for month

#

but got the elite set so i am fine

gleaming sentinel
#

i have a pvp video on wcm somewhere if they go back that far lol

dark kernel
#

You know the dragon headed one except the dragon head is green

spring bough
#

Full PvP gear before AQ came out was so OP

#

Open world just like 2 shotting most people lol

gleaming sentinel
#

i still ride my merc glad drake. its like a high school lettermans jacket

stoic spruce
#

Imagine having the same account after all these years, couldn't be me garf_sit

gleaming sentinel
#

washed up dad mount

spring bough
#

I wish I played more arena back then

#

I was more into guild raids every weekend night lol

stoic spruce
#

I didn't pvp until wrath, even then I was super casual

gleaming sentinel
#

i really didnt raid until the last couple expacs

stoic spruce
#

First Glad in WoD

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Hell yeah

#

ICC was the first raid I tanked

spring bough
#

I was always after that naxx 2H mace from trash drops. Then I missed one raid. Logon to guild forums to 100 notis. And it dropped and they disenchanted it

stoic spruce
#

I should've paid my dad to have his account and made him a new one. He absolutely would've said yes

spring bough
#

Arisen was the guild on Frostmane. Was anyone on that server?

stoic spruce
#

I was a Burning Blade boy

spring bough
#

“Better than zombies” was the guild slogan

stoic spruce
#

And Black Dragonflight

spring bough
#

I think my one DH is still in that guild on retail lol

#

Jayg was the GM

#

Slyisdead was the guild priest lol

stoic spruce
#

I don't remember names at all garf_sit

#

Man screw yall

#

Got me all sentimental and shit

#

WoW pre 2019 is a sensitive subject

pastel burrow
#

Crazy to think Ive been playing since tbc, pvping casually, but didn't do my first proper rated grind until legion

#

Saw that final season rogue set and was like yeah okay maybe arena is cool

stoic spruce
#

You know what's funny about Legion to me is that I never got tired of the grind until like S3 Shadowlands lol

#

For BP I mean

#

I LOVE grinding for player power

stoic spruce
#

The dopamine of doing shitter dmg and then seeing your dmg quadruple once you get the leggo is unmatched

#

With how alt friendly and catch up friendly blizz is now, they could definitely do a BP expansion without acquisition being hella cringe

pastel burrow
#

Tbf I don't mind borrowed power systems, I just think BFA was sketchy and then SL really overkilled it

#

There was so much shit in SL

#

So fucking much

stoic spruce
#

I don't think conduits needed ilvl is all

pastel burrow
#

Yeah I personally think conduits shouldve just been like

stoic spruce
#

More of the same conduits made that specific conduit better would've been fine

pastel burrow
#

A talent system really

stoic spruce
#

The were if you think about it

pastel burrow
#

We had enough to grind for

pastel burrow
#

Like ultimately SL had some cool ideas it was just fumbled

pastel burrow
stoic spruce
#

It's my favorite expac but I'll admit the flaws overshadowed everything good it had going on

stoic spruce
pastel burrow
#

I think a lot of people deep down would enjoy borrowed power in small quality doses

stoic spruce
pastel burrow
#

But they're just sore from the past

stoic spruce
#

Yeah for sure

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Closest we had was in DF with the fire ring

#

Dude

#

There's nothing to do in modern wow

#

I NEED to be told what to do

stoic spruce
#

September needs to hurry

#

@spring bough how would you feel if classic+ was announced and they said they were resetting all the lore from vanilla and retelling it?

#

AND

#

Big and

gleaming sentinel
#

Me buying gold becuase I’m a grown ass man now

#

In classic +

stoic spruce
#

There are order halls for the classes

gleaming sentinel
#

Give me

stoic spruce
#

Real

#

Actually scrap what I said and add what he said

gleaming sentinel
#

Big long spec questlines for cool tier sets

#

And weapons etc

stoic spruce
#

Maybe new abilities >.>

#

Who knows...

#

Singular

gleaming sentinel
#

Arena

stoic spruce
#

Ability

#

Arena

#

Rogue CP on player not target

hybrid sapphire
#

healers are not healing today wtf

pastel burrow
#

SoD was near perfect for extra abilities and playstyles imo

stoic spruce
#

I agree

pastel burrow
#

Anything close to that but in classic+ and I'm happy

stoic spruce
#

This may be a hot take

#

But

#

I don't want flying in classic+

#

No flying BUT summoning stones

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

For sure

#

Same

spring bough
#

Idc about lore bro I just play. All I want is that one life improvement for rogue

stoic spruce
#

They'd after to do something astronomical for me to play rogue with that CP

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Oh dude that'll make me play lol

pastel burrow
spring bough
stoic spruce
#

Yeah idk if there's a cook that's top that

spring bough
#

And we need in capital portals to other capitals

pastel burrow
#

Bitch you will WALK

#

WALK I SAY

spring bough
#

Need meeting stones summons to work too

pastel burrow
#

That I agree with

#

Summoning stones yes

stoic spruce
#

No flying but summ stones

#

Flying makes the world feel less alive

spring bough
#

Also need that world buff boon thingy in classic plus too

stoic spruce
#

Honestly it should just not go away on death

#

Or be dispellable

#

ON TOP of the boon

#

There's no rye chips in my Chex mix

pastel burrow
#

World buffs should just not work in raids

#

Turtlewow worked that way and it was fine

stoic spruce
#

Because they didn't think to try our solution

#

Mhm mhm

pastel burrow
#

Fuck

#

You right

stoic spruce
#

I learned about someone making an offline private wow server

spring bough
stoic spruce
#

You can add thousands of bots and the AH is always full. You can interact with the bots and party up with them and these bots aren't like blizzards, these are smart. You can also change how much each resource node gives.

You can add expansions at will. So that got me thinking, I should turn WoW into a single player RPG and in order to progress through the content, you have to complete raids in chronologic order. Each time you complete a raid, the gear you craft and the gear in dungeons upgrades. Now running a raid solo sounds crazy obv but that's honestly nothing more than a tuning thing. Once you beat the final boss of an expansion, you unlock the next expansion.

stoic spruce
stoic spruce
#

I'm not doing vanilla class design, more than likely something more modern

amber sorrel
#

?????????

stoic spruce
#

Yeah that happens sometimes

stoic spruce
#

Surely the tech exists

spring bough
stoic spruce
stoic spruce
vocal surge
#

Classic+ with strong rogue designs?

#

Yessir, gib

spring bough
vocal surge
#

It better not be over the top

#

like it is rn

stoic spruce
#

Remember when they were going to give ret Howling Blast in SoD?

#

Would've been crazy

fathom crag
#

has any1 tried assa w crit

#

for more energy

potent pivot
#

think haste is more valuable energy-wise

#

but i can double check in a bit

cobalt vector
#

So dumb question, but this is my first expac playing rogue so I don’t have a full grasp on the talents and what not. I noticed that most sin players on murlok and streamers like pika play dtb, but seems like it’s not as liked here. Why is that? Ive been playing dtb but will be trying the pinned build later tonight

abstract stratus
#

dtb is bait

potent pivot
cobalt vector
#

cant wait to try it tonight then

potent pivot
#

the murlok build

#

whats the word for it

#

the blind following the dumb?

#

the blind leading the blind?

#

i don't remember

cobalt vector
#

lol blind leading the blind, but thats good perspective for me

potent pivot
#

but its off some youtube video and copy pasted off icyveins etc

cobalt vector
#

what poisions for non dtb then? wound and crippling?

cobalt vector
#

sweet, thanks

lime oar
#

i’m still using the @jaunty osprey doomblade build

#

SD, regicide

quick temple
#

Do yall see BoP show up anywhere as an icon on nameplates and whatnot

potent pivot
potent pivot
quick temple
#

Has anyone experienced framedrops/stuttering when you vanish using betterblizzplates?

livid cipher
#

sometimes addons can hitch a bit when u switch combat states since so many things are changed on that status change

hybrid sapphire
#

3 wins in a row and was kicked... uh ok

jaunty osprey
#

Way better than that other build

hollow carbon
jaunty osprey
#

DTB makes no sense in PVP when you actually think about it