pvp

[wanton breach]

just running into instant cyclones

[halcyon timber]

Out of left field question: Do we happen to have an armor value list / updated defensive (damage reductions specifically) and aggregate ball park versatility of classes list updated? 12.0.5 x current build s1

[molten hedge]

i just played a shuffle on assa and me and the pres shit on the rdru every round

fire breath is so oppressive man

[potent pivot]

armor values definitely not, trying to find something on defensives but not seeing anything so far

[halcyon timber]

That’s ok, I will build it from the ground up.

Tyvm

[wanton breach]

okay I'm going to play a restodruid at some point

that amount of healing they do while CC'ing is insane

[halcyon timber]

Would you be open to contributing logs too ? If not, that is ok but I wanted to ask (R. Druid pov)

[vocal surge]

Tis almost time to pvp

[severe helm]

yeah the instant clone thing is kinda insane

[spring bough]

As warrior right

[maiden gull]

vs mages i sometimes stack 20 zero ins and then try to onetap them

[vocal surge]

Outlaw

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/offended-whyy-shocked-what-shookt-gif-17241626

^PoV: You hit the mage with that

"WHAT SORCEREY BS IS THIS??? OUTLAW OP!!!"

[maiden gull]

yeah

hit them for 25ßk

its fun

250k

[halcyon timber]

Tracking so Zero In and no additional observed conditions noted at the time of BTE usage (other than Menacing Rush : if talented)

[molten hedge]

I just did a shuffle as outlaw first one since nerfs

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-dumbo-drinking-water-t1-drinking-dumbo-drinking-water-gif-5833717593105737590

[wanton breach]

3 shuffles, 3 resto druids

[spring bough]

2-4?

[potent pivot]

i found someone who made one, but its pve focused and not public

[halcyon timber]

I remember the article vaguely / youtube video (cant remember exactly where). That is a good reference point for now. Thank you for checking.

[molten hedge]

Just a healer diff. Voidweaver 0-6

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAh5tM52TTY

i asked him if i could get a link to it

[halcyon timber]

Great find, this will be cross examined for sure.

[potent pivot]

but he said its a little outdated now and he doesn't wanna go through giving perms etc 😭

[molten hedge]

It doesn’t feel horrible, but it doesn’t feel great 😂

[potent pivot]

making an actual list of active defensives would be pretty easy

[halcyon timber]

Agreed

[potent pivot]

but adding up ALL passive defensives, armor values etc, thats gonna take a decent bit of time

[halcyon timber]

Yep, that is one of the layers being currently worked on

Things in isolation create an incomplete picture

[potent pivot]

you know where all the spelldata is right

maybe you can just scrape it

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/tree/midnight/SpellDataDump

[halcyon timber]

I will look into it. Logs tell me a lot as is.

Good find

[potent pivot]

those are the txt files for all the spelldata

they should have every talent/ability/passive etc

for each class

[halcyon timber]

Ill have to look a lot in game and compare between interactions, print txts, and such. Lots of work to be done but that resource helps a lot too.

[maiden gull]

what are you doing mate?

[halcyon timber]

Also thank you for asking that guy for permission.

[potent pivot]

npnp

if you ask around in like uhhh

maybe the warcraftlogs discord, raid leader discord

i'm sure someone somewhere has made some type of public resource

[halcyon timber]

I will look around, many parts to be filled so far.

[halcyon timber]

A deep audit of - all sorts of things - to put it briefly summarized

[potent pivot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lXIRuETd3s3wxLHE8mOwhXtz0xm71ayhrlYxwi6herU/edit?gid=2092737897#gid=2092737897

this should have all actives

including added portions from passives*

just not pvp modified

[halcyon timber]

Great find, that will help.

[halcyon timber]

Also, I know we have pins here for addons - would you say that remains to be generally universal as a list running currently as the other discords recommend

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[halcyon timber]

Just a quandary of if people are generally using for example Mini CC vs X etc. Just looking for more data sets is all.

Compared to a change log of Blizz UI and their updates coming in the patch 12.0.7 etc. No intent behind it - just a research question being formed.

[potent pivot]

most people just use the most popular stuff

bbf, bbp, platynator, minicc, arena core, sarena, etc

[halcyon timber]

Tracking and thank you. I appreciate the help. ( it helps a lot)

[gusty hedge]

Eridian gonna bring balance to wow pvp ?!?

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-no-idea-i-have-no-idea-whats-going-on-gif-9674831

[spring bough]

Bro if he does that @potent pivot got PvP community figure competition out here

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

whats he doing?

[stoic spruce]

Yo mama

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[spring bough]

Compiling rogue data 👀

[potent pivot]

all data

not just rogue

[severe helm]

for what purpose specifically

[spring bough]

But we only care about rogues lol

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

afaik to try and see the underlying health of survivability of specs/classes

[mortal scarab]

Hi guys, cloud cover still worth taking?

[stoic spruce]

As outlaw yeah

Trickster still better albeit not that much better

[rough rock]

Wasn’t there a entire video on this already

Well I guess it mainly focused on mages

[potent pivot]

may as well run fatebound now

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/alonzo-mourning-gary-payton-miami-heat-epiphany-realization-gif-21220154

[mortal scarab]

I meant for sub

[potent pivot]

I linked zorthas’ video on that yes but that’s pve focused

[potent pivot]

Still worth taking yea but sub is rough now

Spec sucks once again

[rough rock]

Traitor…

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-cooper-andrew-dance-cooper-dance-feeling-dance-dance-gif-4719076827571292026

[mortal scarab]

Yea it’s unforgiving asf now

[outer sky]

Just played a shuffle match vs ret/feral/MW and the feral had no bark and no trinket, ret had no sac, feral was on forbearance and I had kidney up in 3 seconds with smoke bomb

hunter pet stuns the feral

like

how unbelieveably stupid

can somebody be

what did that accomplish

nothing

i sent the go next stun DR but it just got BoPd

that shit drives me crazy

[molten hedge]

Yeah the cloud being shorter can be hard to get back to with limited mobility if they kite out of it so getting max value is more difficult

[outer sky]

you dont need to get back to it

it refreshes the buff on you when the cloud goes away

[molten hedge]

It does??

[outer sky]

no matter where you are

[potent pivot]

Kek

[outer sky]

yeah

[potent pivot]

Newbie

[molten hedge]

Trickz I played a shuffle on outlaw earlier. Was kinda sad

It’s not like it does no dam. But compensation for having so little stuns not worth

[potent pivot]

Ya

I’ve been trying to tell yall

Why would you ever play outlaw now

[molten hedge]

It’s not like it does noo dam

But yeah it’s deff just a worse WW or warrior

[potent pivot]

It does not do enough to justify playing it

Compared to assa even

Assa has silence and actual burst

[molten hedge]

Yeah

Tis true

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/we-begin-again-leonardo-da-vinci-aidan-turner-leonardo-lets-go-back-to-square-one-gif-21593066

[molten hedge]

😂

You will rise again

In an xpac or two

I owned one round bc I KiR’d a jackpot but that’s obvious

I do wonder if any AWCs will play outlaw still if they know their opp is going to play mage bc it will have the most uptime

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw bgb until I can get an assa set 🤷‍♂️

I cba leveling another

[halcyon timber]

Happen to know or have a link to that video?

[potent pivot]

It’s the video I linked earlier

Pretty positive

[halcyon timber]

Tracking, same one

[severe helm]

wasnt there also someone who did an analysis on deaths in solo shuffle

to see which specs were the most common targets

[molten hedge]

Ik drustvar has those stats but it’s been iffy this ssn

But it’s moreso first blood iirc

But gives you a good idea of common targets

It’s always locks mages assa boomie lol

Feral

[severe helm]

yeah I think looking at it by rating also gives you an indication of who the "correct" target is

not necesssarily indicating whats squishiest

cuz something tanky could be the correct target if it lowers their damage or whatever

or if theyre gona push for cc etc

[gleaming sentinel]

Wow arena logs does that or did that no?

[molten hedge]

Yeah by rating is an important variable

Bc a feral at 1600 and 2800 are 2 very different things

I swear I feel the tankiest on feral over any dps spec I’ve played except maybe SP

In 3s at least. Shuffle can be rough

[severe helm]

yeah sp is super tanky

but is also usually the target haha

[molten hedge]

sometimes theyre bait

[severe helm]

its a skill check

[molten hedge]

i watched laros and magnus whail on one for 2 mins and never got close to killing it yday or day before ina shuff lol

so yea thats a god tier sp

they shouldve gone mage

[severe helm]

wellll

idk

both of those are skill checks

[molten hedge]

yea every time theyd get a spear on mage it was a block

yea good mages are hard to connect to

but tbh with them losing random roots and blast wave its a bit easier to connect

[potent pivot]

Not nearly enough people use it

[gleaming sentinel]

TWW outlaw ruined the game for me. Chasing that high ever since

[outer sky]

Amazing how a clothie is a contender for the tankiest dps spec

[severe helm]

The invis spam drives me fucking nuts

[outer sky]

Its extremely toxic

Idk why mages have an AoE vanish more often than I have a personal vanish

And their mass invis doesnt even work like regular stealth

Like if I stealth with dots on me

Im instantly pulled out

But their mass invis doesnt insta break

To dots

For w/e reason

[severe helm]

It's like vanish where it has a protected period

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s broken as shit man. Don’t they only have 2? I swear I was watching someone and they in in is 3 times in a row. If they used invis, mass invis, and meld altogether

[molten hedge]

Ikr it’s crazy

[severe helm]

2 on a 1 min cd

so they do it every 30s

[outer sky]

Giga QoL when playing with a mage though

[molten hedge]

Oh damn no wonder yeah I fkn hate when one disappears for like 15 seconds

[outer sky]

Free extra vanish every 30s

[molten hedge]

Yeah it is super nice for mana and resets. So broken

Makes it more playable

[molten hedge]

Is this for this week? If so strange

It’s EU

[potent pivot]

No

That’s just top 1k

Which is why anyone making tier lists based on these websites is stupid

Because most high rated law/sub are sitting rating from weeks ago

[molten hedge]

Yeah for sure

Kinda how mw was #1 a week or two after nerfs

[potent pivot]

Yep

You can’t make properly informed decisions based on rating representation

[molten hedge]

Sitting waiting for buffs

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-lost-where-confused-gif-12587594

A bolo mogged outlaw could be sick

[potent pivot]

A lot of these guys also have no idea how hard outlaw was nerfed

[molten hedge]

🤠

[potent pivot]

Because they don’t even know what the “trickster interactions” were

They think outlaw got -5% and that’s it

[molten hedge]

I will say it’s definitely not just a ticklemonster if you get good rolls but it’s back to feast or famine and much less oppressive

Idk if there’s any diff builds to be played. It seems like you’d almost have to drop double vanish now for supercharger or lethality to do meaningful damage. Or do you think that’s not the case

[potent pivot]

Lethality is pointless now

We lost 100% builder crit dmg

[molten hedge]

Figures

[potent pivot]

But yeah supercharger unless you absolutely need vanish

[molten hedge]

Ok. Do you still think kir and loaded dice is a meme? I feel like it’s not bad bc it can actually make a difference

And you need that damage bc rolling a 1 in THESE streets it’s over

[spring bough]

👀

[gleaming sentinel]

Ain’t happening.

[spring bough]

Warrior rotation so ez in dungeons lol

Whirlwind to get rend up. 4 ST abilities that now AoE. Then whirlwind again for 4 charges GG

[potent pivot]

Giving up guaranteed consistent dmg to gamble sounds even worse to me now personally

[molten hedge]

or you can just play it like trill was and kir a 2 off ADR

[gilded gulch]

idk who said shuffle is fast rating

first 2 games only gave 300 pts each

Also after playing a bit, im gonna just say fuck playing haste sub

[potent pivot]

I’m sorry but fuck that

[lime oar]

i kir one of a kind

[severe helm]

thats what I do

only if I dont have an LD soon

id rather not be stuck with stage 1 for a long period of time

on my opener I use my two LD rolls

but if my second LD roll after prep is a stage 2

and im not able to farm up a short adr cd then im def KiRing the stage 2

[gilded gulch]

though i didnt play shuff much on this guy so

my mmr is kinda buttcheeks

ermm bgb

[potent pivot]

Don’t be a coward

If you’re gonna play the gambling build, gamble

[molten hedge]

dont be a coward

[severe helm]

I hate gambling

[molten hedge]

roll warrior

[severe helm]

worst part of outlaw

nocap

dont @ me

[molten hedge]

yea rtb is weird lol

[gleaming sentinel]

cto my beloved

[severe helm]

saaaaame

I miss it

it actually helped with the rng so much

but kept the "variety" feel of outlaw

10/10 ability

[gleaming sentinel]

i miss everything about previous outlaw bro

[severe helm]

I miss it every day

[gleaming sentinel]

i am down bad this weeek

[jaunty osprey]

Every week..

[spring bough]

Think outlaw will be good for at least 2 weeks during season 2?

Gotta mentally prepare myself to be good again for a short time frame

[gleaming sentinel]

lul

[spring bough]

[frozen walrus]

What do you mean?

[potent pivot]

They fixed the cloud cover interactions

[frozen walrus]

What were we getting then?

[potent pivot]

150%

Every Fazed interaction tripled during Cloud Cover

Surprising Strikes tripled, the 5% DR from another talent tripled, etc

All of that was fixed

That’s why the recent changes were almost a 20% nerf to outlaw

[frozen walrus]

Interesting

[vocal surge]

Worst part, I had so many games with limited time events up during that 2 week period

[frozen walrus]

I play a ton the last two days. I still feel like Trickster is better

[potent pivot]

It’s like 1-2% better if you play KS and play perfectly

It’s not worth

[lapis solstice]

What do you guys like better for shuffle? Sub or outlaw?

[molten hedge]

Assa

[lapis solstice]

You know that might be the answer. Never liked dots but maybe i should try

[molten hedge]

It has the most burst rn so easier

[lapis solstice]

Outlaw is too apm and mentally taxing at times but I like the sustain bruiser gameplay

[molten hedge]

Outlaw before nerfs but now it’s just ok

Sub is easy but it depends on if your team plays around your cc

Damage is also just ok now

[lapis solstice]

Hmmm well dang maybe I'll just stick to windwalker or havoc lol

[molten hedge]

Assa you can kinda just solo mission with kidney bomb kingsbane

Yee a lot of us are rerolling warrior atm

[lapis solstice]

I like my agi ninja classes. So warrior will be a no go for me. Best of luck with the fotm train though lol

[molten hedge]

Assa is pretty good for shuffle bc silence op

[lapis solstice]

I might give it a whirl. Got me intrigued. I always heard it kind of was good until tea charges run out then your sol

[molten hedge]

Yeah but if they let you, you can just bleed up, afk behind a pillar and get a re and cheap/silence

Games are short anyway, so it’s not as bad in shuffle

[potent pivot]

I wouldn’t even call it ok

Sub damage is full on abysmal despair mode

Feels like you’re almost entirely dependent on your team having brain cells

[outer sky]

gg @half zenith 😉

[half zenith]

gg bbg

[deep wyvern]

which poisons do i use for solo suffle

as assa

[half zenith]

prob helps if I take reverse

[outer sky]

are you playing DTB?

[deep wyvern]

DTB?

[outer sky]

that was a boost i doubt the mage gets good sheeps

[outer sky]

Dragon Tempered Blades

[deep wyvern]

yes

[outer sky]

lets you use 4 poisons

then play Wound, Amplifying, Crippling, and Numbing

[half zenith]

nah he just sat there and channeled ray got 1 sheep

[outer sky]

thats all he needs to do lmao

[half zenith]

too lazy to level alt rn too bored not to lfg

[outer sky]

frost mage OP

[half zenith]

I insta kicked ray on bomb but

he was dead no matter wat

[outer sky]

ye

i still had every button

that monk youre playing with is good though

i recognize him

[half zenith]

ye im gonna try and help him for first glad this season

idk how he doesnt have it

solid player def

[outer sky]

ye for sure

[quick temple]

kinda sucks fighting wars ngl

[outer sky]

Its fine when they aggro trinket

[grave basin]

Everytime warriors are meta i have fun

Everytime warriors arent meta im waddling 90% of my lobbies against dragon/mage

[quick temple]

lol guess its jus me

its funny shivving them i guess but hard to keep up wit their dam and distruption for me

[potent pivot]

@molten hedge

Outlaw is fine guys

S+ tier at 2% representation since patch day

Arms is only 25% of melee representation, surely they are only A tier right guys

[molten hedge]

The pink and brown guys are too high too often man 🤣 @potent pivot

[grave basin]

Where is survival

[stoic spruce]

@spring bough the only positive

is Im still landing kills

[gleaming sentinel]

Pika is 17-1 on arms in shuff lol

[stoic spruce]

find the party member

how do I fix this?

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

uhhh

what am i looking at

[stoic spruce]

nameplates stacking like that over party nameplate

[potent pivot]

there should be some sort of destacking setting

maybe its in platynator that i'm thinking of though

[severe helm]

turn off friendly npc nameplates bro wtf

[stoic spruce]

I didddddddddddddddddddddddddd

mewo

I pay a sub for a broken game :c

[severe helm]

lol yep

were paying for beta

[final anvil]

What are the best or easiest comps rn for outlaw to reach glad (except mage)

[severe helm]

glad right now?

oh wait its 2300 now

I mean in all honesty its prob still rmp

or rmd rather

[potent pivot]

assa/mage

assa/aff

assa/devastation

if you're gonna try outlaw anyway, then it probably needs to be mage though ya

[molten hedge]

just played some outlaw 2s to help a friend gear ngl i was cranking some hogs

The gators are back baby

[forest laurel]

these stats ok for sub?

[fathom crag]

is this in pvp?

[forest laurel]

yes 😭

[fathom crag]

fine if you play shuffle

[forest laurel]

yeah solo and blitz

[fathom crag]

haste bad for blitz sadly

but good for shuffle

[forest laurel]

oof

ty

[outer sky]

Im in full honor gear and am just pressing random buttons and almost topping dam

[maiden gull]

nerf outlaw

wa splaying warrior yesterday aswell and its so good that its boring

just ttrain one target down use ur skills on cd and win

maybe stombolt and fear the healer now and then

gg

150k non crit MS > nerf outlaw

unkillable vs pet classes

[outer sky]

No no. To play warrior properly you have to make sure to ONLY ever Storm Bolt a target if your teammate needs that stun DR to win the game. There is no other way to use that ability.

[maiden gull]

you have more stuns than outlaw

plate

def stance

more mobility

its hilarious

spell reflect one of the most fun skills

[obsidian saddle]

How does outlaw feel after patch? Still pretty good?

[maiden gull]

c tier

unplayable

its bugged aswell

[potent pivot]

its viable

wouldn't say strong

[maiden gull]

have fun vs warri and dev lobbys

[potent pivot]

having a bug does not matter man

[stoic spruce]

If you're good you can land kills, otherwise it's mid

[potent pivot]

every spec in this game has 10-20+ bugs, you just might not know it

[stoic spruce]

What's even bugged

Imp bte?

[potent pivot]

nah imp bte is "fixed"

[stoic spruce]

Ain't taking that anyway

[potent pivot]

that shadow fixed it

this week

[stoic spruce]

Smh

[potent pivot]

but it only increases bte crit dmg by 1.5

not 2.8 like it says

[stoic spruce]

Idk if I've noticed it bugging out tbh

[potent pivot]

supercharged bte

[stoic spruce]

Oh that

[potent pivot]

if it procs gravedigger

yea

its w/e

[stoic spruce]

I've been avoiding it already as a little min max

Just to feel something

[potent pivot]

doing what exactly

[stoic spruce]

Tracking palmed bullets

So SC bte doesn't overlap

I get more aces that way

Sometimes

It's also a projectile so knowing when to expect delay helps

[potent pivot]

i thought it had nothing to do with that part of gravedigger

like it's based on the first gravedigger talent, the 45% chance to proc bte stacks

not on the palmed bullets/bte procs

[stoic spruce]

Yer right, I meant in top of tracking Gravedigger/SC.

I'm probably explaining poorly so ignore me

[quick temple]

at least the bug is sorta thematic

[silent linden]

We go full mastery now on sub?

[potent pivot]

can depend on which pvp bracket you focus on

@stoic spruce https://youtube.com/shorts/YuB8kvR9F64?si=rtgHSNP0lEGjDUhx

[stoic spruce]

My goat Kennie

[outer sky]

Kennie is so cringe

[stoic spruce]

why

actually dont answer that, youre impossible to please

[silent linden]

All?

[fathom crag]

mastery is bis for blitz @silent linden or if ur playing rogue mage in 3s

for shuffle haste is better or if you qing 3s with sp or warlock

2s id say mastery too

[silent linden]

Damn, did not realise the stats can be so different depending on the bracket.
Thank you @fathom crag !

[fathom crag]

in 3 weeks conquest is uncapped so you would have 2 diff type of gear

just gotta wait

[outer sky]

The change from getting 600 conquest per week to 800 was such a W for blizzard. Now they just need to make another change where conq uncaps a few weeks earlier

[maiden gull]

you should just be able to exchange your gear

iun case your class gets nuked like outlaw did

[potent pivot]

ff14 just announced something thats never been done in an mmo before

they already do all specs on 1 character by switching weapons

now they're going to have the same set of gear work for all specs in the game

[gusty hedge]

i dont like the movement and look of ff14
Feels like im playing a console game with stiff movement

[potent pivot]

the movement itself is honestly very similar

i think its just the animations of the movement that take a little getting used to

but yea the styling of the game itself is a lot different

more modern, less cartoony

i just get the feeling at some point wow is gonna have to copy more n more of their QoL to keep competing

[stoic spruce]

this im not a fan of

thats part of the fun

[molten hedge]

That’s not what your mom was saying just last week tf

[lime oar]

[molten hedge]

Now they’re fucked

First it was outlaw now he’s going after fury

[wanton breach]

struggling to win a 4-2 as a healer with very close game

just to go 1-5 in the next lobby cause I get lined and CDs get wasted + hex doesn't get dispelled

enemy shaman just freecasting hexes 🙁

[indigo tiger]

[dark moon]

This sounds like they should add more gold to the rewards to fix healer participation

Or nerf outlaw this week as well, just to keep up with the tradition

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-know-sebastian-stan-lol-wtf-confused-gif-10585763

[spring bough]

But no more tuning till next patch right? Why do we get fucked 😭

[gusty hedge]

i wanna be op for atleast a month next time

spent most of my time lvling and delving

[dark kernel]

I hate how 99% of MMOs do animation lock you when you using abilities or feel stiff

Warhammer was like that a little too

I think the only MMO who had pvp comparable to WOW was Rift and I can't think about it too much or I get sad

[maiden gull]

who says that?

i wouldnt even hold my breath that they rebuff outlaw, crybabys are happy now

[spring bough]

Didn’t they release a tuning schedule? I think the last one we got is what we have for the rest of the season lol

[dark moon]

Are we really stuck with fury season

[molten hedge]

Arms more popular prob

Bc magnus and laros say so and bc if they’re comparable ppl play arms

[molten hedge]

Whaazz our lord and savior making a giant list of issues with every spec

Outlaw is saved

[stoic spruce]

It's close enough to Outlaw

[gusty hedge]

wish I heard about this sooner. just read up on the downfall of rift

[dark kernel]

It actually had INSANELY good pvp and amazing talent trees it was fucking unreal at the time.

It had a hero classes from the beginning

You could be a rogue, and then hyper focus into a spec or multi spec and be like a saboteur and lay bomb traps

Also blizzard straight up stole the entire world quest system from Rift

[pastel burrow]

Rift PvP fuuuuck

Why'd you remind me

[dark kernel]

I know I'm sad too

[lavish idol]

Can I clarify how the ilvl works now. You can buy the varnish/lacquer to make a raid item 289. If you already have 289 mythic gear, there's no point, right?

and e.g. crafted 285 weapon is better than honor 276 pvp weap

Seems obvious but I am swapping items around and my pvp ilvl seems unchanged

[dark kernel]

Correct

If you have a max mythic item that has good stats then buying a conquest piece for that slot would be useless

[lavish idol]

and using the varnish/laquer on setpieces for the bonus?

the same I assume

[dark kernel]

Yes

[stoic spruce]

What would rift need to make a comeback?

[dark kernel]

It's still live with active servers it's just very very small

[stoic spruce]

Right I dabble in it every few months

FtP version

[dark kernel]

It would need......notable people putting eyeballs on it

Like big streamers being like "wtf this is good I missed this"

Rift classic revamp graphics from the beginning

Just reboot the entire game

[stoic spruce]

Another unfortunate side effect of being an MMO

I love the gameplay of rift but having so many years in wow it's hard to drop it

[dark kernel]

Precisely an issue

A lot of people are prisonered to this game

I personally don't give enough shit, when wow is ass I leave but as I've grown much older it's actually insane how adult friendly wow is

[stoic spruce]

Amazing honestly

[spring bough]

@potent pivot did you see ellesemere update dmg meters?

[severe helm]

thats just details

[spring bough]

Yeah but no bs ui errors that details gives u lol

[severe helm]

the fuck did you do to details

[spring bough]

Had to delete details a few weeks ago cause it was crashing my game idk

[severe helm]

LOL

player issue

[rough rock]

ESO also had really fun and easy to get into PvP. But since the game was so casual nobody really played it

But the BG map they had was stupid fun

[stoic spruce]

I love ESO

I should get back into it

[grave basin]

yay lol

dont know my rating dont care

[molten hedge]

1400

[grave basin]

probably a little higher than that

are there any non warglaives that the illusion looks good on

so far ive only seen it look good on warglaives

[molten hedge]

I like it on this

[wanton breach]

BALLS

https://klipy.com/gifs/balls-10--k01KR4733VFY1WAA8BQECQ7H822

[grave basin]

hell yea

[lime oar]

just cooked this up

[grave basin]

so it begins

half blues btw

[frozen walrus]

So spec have you guys been running this week in SS? Fate or Trick?

[jaunty osprey]

Slayer

[frozen walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-funny-seinfeld-george-insult-gif-24109136

[gleaming sentinel]

fatebound bgb

[maiden gull]

the last one was not mentioned on it if i remeber correctly

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24243864

[rough rock]

Rogue tanking is fun

[lime oar]

tanking rating that’s for sure

[spring bough]

We got tank tuning

Just what we needed

[molten hedge]

slayer fury is fun but i like slayer arms. i do way more dam than colo

[dark kernel]

No bullshit. This last tuning pass was probably our last for the season

Maybe if warrior is egregious they get touched but I doubt it after last season

[molten hedge]

usually more after awc

[lament helm]

Should I bother using ST in bgs?

[dark kernel]

Secret Technique? Our single hardest hitting ability?

Yessir

With dance every time it's up

[lime oar]

i think they need to expand upon this question

🚩

[lament helm]

🫡

[lime oar]

why wouldn’t you? weed

weef*

are you team fighting in bgs

[lament helm]

I was just curious. Kinda new to playing rogue

and ik its best to pop ST with 5+ of the resource

[rough rock]

Lmao we were talking about ESO

[lime oar]

yes was just making a joke in light of the recent nerfs and our new ddh and warr overlords

[proven kayak]

Idk why I do this to myself and I play worse version of sub rogue (survival hunter) as an alt

I might level another toon what’s the best class atm melee

[molten hedge]

warr

[proven kayak]

Fury or arms ?

[molten hedge]

overall consensus arms

bc tankier

slayer arms is a little squishier than colossus but its good also

[lime oar]

arms if you’re a man

[proven kayak]

I have a free 80 boost and I was thinking between shaman and war

[lime oar]

@cobalt pewter

inform him

see? doesn’t even have time to answer because hes probably squatting 3 plate warmup as we speak

one day hes gonna get tired of me @ing him

[cobalt pewter]

[proven kayak]

Daaamn man is warrior that chad

[molten hedge]

Mud is the spokesperson for all warriors

not Laros

not Mag

[proven kayak]

As a forever rogue player I hate warriors

[molten hedge]

Become what you hate

https://klipy.com/gifs/simpsons-homer-21--k01KR4F0HRTMB2HY4SSZ63KGS53

[proven kayak]

Only as an alt

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-scuba-alysa-liu-qcgAb73zDz3pkdP4QF

Okay what race tho orc 🙄

[molten hedge]

Gnome is "bis" but orc is cool too

[proven kayak]

I see troll in Murlokio

[molten hedge]

Trolls good too for arms

bc their racial stacks with new passive in b stance to reduce roots and slows

[proven kayak]

I’m fvking heavily with trolls

Yeah make sense

[molten hedge]

same. already had a gnome so went troll

[proven kayak]

My first rogue was troll

Good times

[ocean thunder]

why slayer and not demolish tech?

[dark kernel]

Yeah trolls are like semi meta kind of like High Mountain

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-wilde-zootopia-scuba-tiktok-dance-gif-10524398184234574560

[gusty hedge]

[proven kayak]

scubba

[proven kayak]

trying marks never tocuhed the spec but seems so much easier to do stuff thna surv

[spring bough]

The enemy 👀

[proven kayak]

XD

[solid gulch]

is that supercharger bug fixed ? im not seeing the pinned msg about it, can i still take supercharger or is it cooked

[hybrid sapphire]

good afternoon fellow rogues what's the good news

[potent pivot]

Even with the bug you can still take it yeah

Pins seem broken atm

[gusty hedge]

nice my disc works again

[potent pivot]

Barely

[gusty hedge]

[solid gulch]

is outlaw dead or am i just horrible dogshit since patch

[potent pivot]

It’s just not strong anymore

A 17% nerf will do that to a spec

[harsh kiln]

casual 17%

[potent pivot]

The average rating of outlaw rogue is probably -300 from where they were pre changes

[solid gulch]

im horrible dogshit regardless of a patch but thats the exact amount ive gone down in rating since

[molten hedge]

I’m not your average outlaw rogue

[outer sky]

Yeah youre -500

[gusty hedge]

[molten hedge]

Hey I said I wasn’t average

I had a 3-3 (healer diff) and a 4-2 around 2100. it rly wasn’t that bad just a shell of itself.

[gusty hedge]

cant even search any new gifs

[potent pivot]

Kinda like if it had +5% and +15% BtE, it might be competitive enough to play?

[spring bough]

is that before or after nerfs

[potent pivot]

Wdym

[spring bough]

nvm lol

[outer sky]

It was over-nerfed. Stop coping so we may actually get some buffs again at some point this season. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[molten hedge]

Bros I’m not coping. Outlaw got cooked for sure

[spring bough]

time to do some PVE content on the outlaw since im not queing any solo anytime soon lmaooo

blitz maybe...

[gleaming sentinel]

Do I level an assa? Dh just not for me

[spring bough]

sin seems fun..... 2 abilities doing 60% plus overal.... LMAO

wth happened to poisons being a decent percentage of sin dmg?

[gleaming sentinel]

Kidney kingsbane still stronk

[solid gulch]

do the stats that come from upgrading gear with crests stick in pvp?

[potent pivot]

That hasn’t been a thing in years

[potent pivot]

No

Not on pvp gear

[solid gulch]

thank god*

[spring bough]

would be cool if a spec that is designed around bleeds and poisons had a sizeable poison overall dmg

[potent pivot]

Poisons just allow more dmg, instead of the dmg coming from the poisons themselves

It’s fine imo

If poisons did dmg themselves you’d be too locked into a type of build

Especially in pvp where you need wound

[gilded gulch]

dtb era where you could slam giant envs during deathmark

since you doubled amp poison stacks

[gilded gulch]

this lowkey drops tf out of people if they arent hyper watching for it

dm kb is actually a shit ton of damage in a short span

[potent pivot]

I see a lot of people not envenoming pre kb too

[gilded gulch]

[potent pivot]

Which I think is rly bad

[gilded gulch]

well pve you always have to have env up

before sending cds

so should be similar

i just won 4 shuffle rounds in a row because someone decided to trinket a random kidney or cheap

while i still had smoke kb dm

[potent pivot]

[gilded gulch]

Actually feels burstier than sub now tbh

just well, having vanish as a very real offensive cd is uh....

[potent pivot]

Because it is

[gilded gulch]

I just sent a dm kb on this druid's hunter while he was 40% no hots

man died in 1.5secs

[potent pivot]

Yep

[gilded gulch]

"who do you wanna kill"

"whoever trinkets first"

[outer sky]

Yup lmao

[potent pivot]

Apparently there’s a new macro that auto targets whatever is casting

[fathom crag]

/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast kick
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack

[potent pivot]

Ya

From Naowh’s tweet

I can’t find the tweet on mobile

[fathom crag]

https://x.com/Naowhxd/status/2052725279693410669?s=20

Naowh // Robin (@Naowhxd)

Depleting keys due to missed interrupts? Get this macro!

▶ Play video

X · May 8, 2026, 12:20 PM

[potent pivot]

Ty

[solid gulch]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Sargeras/Tjwormy

I havent played my sub in a while, ill have 2475 conq after i cap. is the move to craft everything with mastery now?

[potent pivot]

Depends on the pvp bracket

[solid gulch]

shuffle

or u mean rating

[potent pivot]

Naw the bracket is shuffle/blitz etc

[potent pivot]

For shuffle haste is still rly good

Can use a good bit of crafted stuff

You just want to stay around 20% vers

[solid gulch]

so maybe craft some w/vers haste some w/vers mast?

dont think i want conq gear anymore w/tier set?

[potent pivot]

Some conq pieces is fine

Just try to keep your vers around 20% while you buy pieces should be pretty easy

[gleaming sentinel]

lol crazy

[spring bough]

Was reading the comments. It’s tab target that prioritizes casting mobs 100% of the time now. So that’s why the targetenemy does that w the macro. Pretty cool

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s just kinda wild

I’m wondering if it works in pvp or just on mobs

[spring bough]

Been using the bottom half of the macro. I just added the focus part 😂

It works in PvP

[potent pivot]

You should basically be able to combine kick and focus kick with this macro

Especially as a melee

[dark kernel]

That would be amazing. I do M+ with target enemy players only enabled because I'm insane

So I have to manually click name plates in pve

https://giphy.com/gifs/islandtouchdance-punching-kicking-dont-mess-with-me-vgPptRu3quuHYFQ1GH

[broken prism]

anyone else have this issue where smokebomb doesnt show on the cdm as sub but does as other specs?

[potent pivot]

Yep

[potent pivot]

You know you can use an addon for this right

Instead of the blizzard setting

It automatically makes tab target players only in pvp

[dark kernel]

I did not know that

[potent pivot]

Yee, TabTargetFix or something

Or pvptabtarget

I don’t remember

[dark kernel]

Honest to God I can probably just not be lazy and turn the setting on and off between game modes

I just am that lazy

https://tenor.com/view/world-cup-lemon-man-face-man-face-roblox-roblox-man-face-gif-9291763593099758719

[potent pivot]

Nah that’s too annoying ngl

Like the people that swap their macros before every arena match starts or key starts

That shit is insane to me

Addons just do it all for you

[dark kernel]

I have a tricks of the trade on party one and two macro that I switch

[potent pivot]

Why

You can make it always cast on the other dps in pvp

Without ever having to touch it

Can do the same for tanks in pve

[dark kernel]

How

[potent pivot]

Addons

[dark kernel]

Oh never mind

I really just don't like installing add-ons if it was just a smarter macro I'm game

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

I'm one of those people is literally old and stubborn

Unless it saves me EXTREME headache I just will not use an addon

I have like 3 add-ons max Installed. ArenaCore and MiniCC and one more inthink

[potent pivot]

Making things more annoying for yourself idk

[dark kernel]

I'm already so pissed at curseforge that I'm about to uninstall that

The fact that it has to update every single day is pissing me off

[potent pivot]

Once it’s set up you never have to mess with it

[potent pivot]

Wut

[dark kernel]

Yeah have you guys not been getting this. Every single day I log in on my computer it says curseforge has a new update

It's been doing that for a week straight

[potent pivot]

Nope

Like you’re getting notifications?

Because I legit never get any

[dark kernel]

Yeah I just went to check my pc, today is the first day it hasn't had one

[potent pivot]

You can set it to not even open on start up

And if you’re getting notifications I’m sure those can also be turned off

The only time I use curse is when I check for addon updates, and even then, it doesn’t usually need updates often

[broken prism]

any known fixes?

[gleaming sentinel]

i assume you want caustic spatter on target before u KB

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so

[potent pivot]

Nah

You want envenom buff up before you kb if possible

That’s about it

[broken prism]

im doing rain dances in my room to curse blizzard

making a voodoo doll of them to make it step on legos

[hybrid sapphire]

new peak pog

assa is BACK

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-my-reaction-to-that-information-mike-o-hearn-gif-13257779959215558930

[potent pivot]

For the ssn or ever?

[hybrid sapphire]

the season

[potent pivot]

Ah

[last jasper]

Bruh 🤝
Every fckin time u launch this shit and it asks for a restart to apply updates. Jesus Christ

[alpine tinsel]

Whatever is going on with surv rn sucks lol

Not sure what’s happening but they’ve got a one shot going on

[outer sky]

Congrats but also how is this possible

This is your win/loss ratio at 2162cr

Here's mine at 2141cr

How could you possibly be higher rated

[hybrid sapphire]

Idk maybe the gods favor me

No it’s prob just luck

[outer sky]

It just doesnt seem mathematically possible

W/e just means I have mmr to burn

[gilded gulch]

maybe he queued later

when the lower mmrs stopped having actual non bots

[outer sky]

I mean that isnt my highest rated rogue but

[hybrid sapphire]

I’m gaming the standard deviations and derivatives

[outer sky]

Its my highest win rate rogue

[potent pivot]

Way more games

Lobby mmr varies

Can’t always trust w/l

[gleaming sentinel]

Mogging zicore pog

[autumn moth]

is 600 haste still good for ss? i see top players all going mastery

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s still good

[outer sky]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Top players generally don’t only play shuffle

Pretty sure most of them don’t even queue anymore

Sub is kinda meh

[proven kayak]

Disarm takedown stun boomstick and they are useless for the next minute

[quick temple]

Takedown for sure is a crazy 2 globals. that flanking strike and chakram can catch you with your pants down

[grave basin]

sv is just a cheese spec now

basically frost dk tier but id argue maybe SLIGHTLY above frost dk since sv has actual defensives

[hybrid sapphire]

?????? what the hell is this

[molten hedge]

Pres, fire, frost

in no particular order

[hybrid sapphire]

fire mages are so cool on paper

sadly its a frost mage's season

[cobalt vector]

is there any benefit to crafting eng boots or bracers for assa?

[potent pivot]

Personally I don’t think so, assa is squishier than sub so I tend to use conq pieces

A couple people use full mast engi pieces, I just don’t think we have enough vers in s1 to do it

[grave basin]

@long shore im just trying to get the fucking crate mang

[long shore]

damn it man were you Horde?

Im sorry lol

[grave basin]

i play both

[molten hedge]

Whoever does that is SUS huh trickz

@outer sky

[raven schooner]

Yo do you guys have any Outlaw vods you’d recommend to watch? Trying to play it in SS but I am beyond ass at the spec but I find it very enjoyable

[dark moon]

Old Cdew lingering in this tweet.

Which is commendable

[dark moon]

Which talents do you run?

[grave basin]

We're in the .05 patch and to even get elite in shuffle requires beating awc teams is pathetic

I refuse to believe blizzard doesnt know that this is an issue

[dark moon]

This gives meaning to elite title, no?

[grave basin]

Yea but does it align with their goals?

They lowered the bar from 2400 to 2300 and somehow even less people can get it

Mission failed successfully

also if the same principle were to apply to pve, only MDI tier players can get 3k IO there would be a meltdown and fix within 24hours

and yes im aware 3k io isnt equivalent to elite

[dark moon]

Do you care if it aligns with what they said they were thinking of having as a goal? Only reason I'm playing is that there's no other mmo

[grave basin]

yea i care because it shows gross negligence of a paid product

[dark moon]

It will be their downfall or glow up

Think we became too entitled with having this or that and every reward should be easy to obtain

Nuh-uh

[grave basin]

sure

then why is blitz inflated to the moon

and pve the easiest season to exist

[kind thunder]

whats up with the magic number 20% versa? is there actually a threshold or whats this about?

[grave basin]

it's just a nice round number..

[wanton breach]

no threshhold, just a lower limit as recommendation afaik

[dark moon]

You're fighting the computer in pve

[grave basin]

Nothing to do with reward structure

Make it so hard only mdi players can time +13s

[dark moon]

They want more people to play at higher rating it seems

[dark moon]

We had season where +13s were actually harder

But nef hammer

[outer sky]

Hey only on 1 of my 4 rogues lol gearing them all the same is boring

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[gleaming sentinel]

it shouldnt be a secret they want people to play the entire season, most people hit a goal and take a break. This is their way of dangling the carrot longer. its stupid tbh, but i get it

[grave basin]

then why does blitz exist?

[gleaming sentinel]

thats gods bracket

they want you in there

[grave basin]

more like lucifer's bracket

[outer sky]

People were saying for months before that change was implemented that it wouldnt really matter because cr is only ever relative to that particular season's ladder. So 2300 in a deflated season could easily be harder than 2400 during an inflated one. To actually make rewards easier they'd need to inject mmr into the bracket.

[gleaming sentinel]

its still barely played compared to shuffle too which is crazy

[outer sky]

Also makes no sense to keep shuffle, 2s, and 3s this deflated while blitz is like 1000 mmr above any of them

That just trivializes the rewards and incentivizes only queueing that bracket

[gleaming sentinel]

leveling a lower level rogue is crazy

no wonder people dont stick with this class, not having every energy talent feels so terrible lol

[proven kayak]

I’m playing marks a bit today instead of survival this spec is fun af

[cobalt vector]

!tier

[lethal roost]

Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

[potent pivot]

20% is generally just the bare minimum in pvp, in s1 where secondary stats are kinda low. Even for decently tanky specs like sub. Most other specs want 25-30%

[cobalt vector]

Glad I checked that. Almost catalyzed my gloves

[spring bough]

Leveling a low level outlaw is the absolute worst till like level 40-50 😂

[cobalt vector]

Is the skillcapped BIS gearing trustworthy? They have assa going 4 set

[potent pivot]

no

gear/talents from icyveins/skillcapped tend to be either troll or outdated

[cobalt vector]

Okay. Is there a good Bis list anywhere? Or just check murlok?

[potent pivot]

the #1283780831147589713 can get you started

everything else after that is legit just vers/mast gear

[cobalt vector]

Sweet, thanks

[potent pivot]

can check what items are most popular for each slot on murlok, depending on your spec you can do a few more crafted pieces after the free heraldries

just don't buy or craft daggers, we get free wep tokens etc

[gusty hedge]

this right here! after that its pumping

[spring bough]

nothing like a nice espresso to start the morning for an all day wow sesh lmaoo

[potent pivot]

😤

[spring bough]

saw that. no more AI look XD

[potent pivot]

i think everyone is using ai to help at this point

there's no real way around it ig

[spring bough]

you can click on the name and itll expand to the abilities w the ellsmere details lol

[grave basin]

@spring bough first lob and i got maged

300k takedown w0t

died so fast LMAO

[spring bough]

LMAO

[potent pivot]

rofl

[spring bough]

block that buddy

git gud mage

[grave basin]

im in full blues ):

[potent pivot]

u gotta get him midair on his takedown

idk how

u just gotta do it

[potent pivot]

idk if i like it ngl

i barely even use the meter anymore

its too scuffed

[grave basin]

should probably crate farm first aye..

[potent pivot]

at least to like 2500 for weppies prob

get weps, get heraldries

and you're already nearly half geared iirc

[grave basin]

kekw

[spring bough]

if someone could make a workaround somehow to show hit / crit lows and highs it would be a game changer lol

[potent pivot]

hang on

[potent pivot]

"fix pvp in 3 easy steps"

[spring bough]

oh cool slivers are warbound no1 cares anymroe lmao

[harsh kiln]

is that real?

[potent pivot]

these are fake notes

no

[harsh kiln]

was gonna say

spooked me a little

[grave basin]

funny thing is that they did that for DF s1 i think

or was it tww s1

[potent pivot]

they've added inflation multiple times

[grave basin]

they injected mmr

[potent pivot]

its just the fact they haven't done anything yet that is kinda crazy

[grave basin]

meanwhile im doing keys with my eyes closed getting myth gear

[lavish idol]

does BGTargetsFixed not have an option to show healers?

or anyone got a nice profile for it

[spring bough]

cause they lowered elite should be easier to attain, no? LOL

[potent pivot]

wut

[spring bough]

saying thats probably their thinking somehow lol

[potent pivot]

should just use BGE fixed

[molten hedge]

Dude fuck off I just got so excited

[potent pivot]

[lavish idol]

ah that's what I meant

I don't seem to see healers separately though

[potent pivot]

not sure what you mean

[lavish idol]

usually it's obvious which are the healers right?

with a heal + or whatever

[potent pivot]

there's some new restriction

of spec icons

or something

you just have to see the class and assume which one is heals

[lavish idol]

ah right :/ cos roles are so secret

[outer sky]

Once everyone loads into the game, you can click the lfg eye at the bottom right. That'll bring up the tabs that list all the players on each team. Then you can click on the tab for the other team and mouse over each person to see what spec theyre playing.

[lavish idol]

yeah I know you can check manually like that but if you're in the middle of a fight and want to target the heal quick used to be much cleaner

[potent pivot]

you can still target them no?

off the bge

[gleaming sentinel]

My sin rogue arc is back :<

[spring bough]

night elf time to shine ? lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I did pretty good on it last season

[outer sky]

Yeah you can. They reverted that restriction

[potent pivot]

ye ik

just trying to understand what he means

i guess he means how they used to be at the top or smth

[outer sky]

I think he means like if theres 2 monks on the team and one is MW and the other WW and he wants to target the MW real quick

[potent pivot]

yeh

[molten hedge]

Just poke the eye over and over til it gets red

[lavish idol]

yes but showing role isn't exactly banned in other addons

or is it because their opponenmt

[potent pivot]

correct

[outer sky]

Your own team is fine

[halcyon timber]

Is there a current change log and aura / coefficient doc currently saved? (All MN so far)

[outer sky]

This thread LOL

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gatekeeping-solo-shuffle-lollll/2304068

[potent pivot]

i don't get whats going on

[gleaming sentinel]

yea this is slop,what is happening

[potent pivot]

dude just losing his marbles ig

[grave basin]

first kill btw

@spring bough

[spring bough]

GG just ran it and it didnt even drop

[grave basin]

bonus rolled it

[spring bough]

then did a +10 key and turbo rolled a 2nd mythic cape....

ew why? u use up 2 rolls for heroic raid stuff

[grave basin]

why not

[severe helm]

I dont get it

[grave basin]

it's omega bis till i get the mythic one

[severe helm]

Is someone using the word gatekeeping wrong?

[potent pivot]

He’s talking something about an “rmt lobby”

Win trading or something? Idk

Not like you’d ever be able to tell a pilot from in game

[severe helm]

Ah yeah using the word gatekeeping wrong

[dark kernel]

I'm going to get you.

I forgot how to farm th reroll thing

I've been away 3 weeks and I'm an idiot

[grave basin]

it's from the guy in voidstorm

right in the middle when you zone in

[dark kernel]

Yeah but don't you have to farm each individual one like doing something

[grave basin]

you buy 2 charges for 5k

[dark kernel]

I already did the quest I just haven't gotten a second week one

A word

[eager yoke]

hows outlaw compared to sub in pvp rn?

[grave basin]

the individual ones stack to 4 and it's for turbo boost later

[dark kernel]

Wait doesn't using that in raid use BOTH charges though yeh?

[grave basin]

yea in raid it uses 2 charges

[dark kernel]

Oh man that means I freaking missed two weeks of free rerolls

So I literally can't get catch up

Well I'm about to quit the game

Oh well

[spring bough]

Just buy them for gold

[dark kernel]

Yeah I'm just pissed I didn't play for 2 weeks and now I'm behind

Since I know there's no catch up

[spring bough]

Wym? Just buy them there is pretty sure lol

[dark kernel]

You're not getting it