pvp

[potent pivot]

its getting level boosted

not solo tech

[dark moon]

Kekw

[proven kayak]

Aaah

Kekw

[quick temple]

changes like this makes me think they just have A.I sweep game data and see what has potential to fall outside their margins and nerf it in a vaacum

[proven kayak]

Is the best way to conq farm the crate grp?

[potent pivot]

its not the fastest

compared to just farming rated

but its effortless

[proven kayak]

I’m not gonna farm rated with surv hunter

With no gear 😂😂

But I might do it with bm

[outer sky]

Just cleaned up another 5-1 for the even 2100 on this rogue

[proven kayak]

I find Assa so annoying to play smh

[outer sky]

yeah its trash

[proven kayak]

Yesterday a dh imprisoned my full bleed dm kb target 🙂

Maximum grief

[gleaming sentinel]

I wish I leveled another rogue for assa instead of Weener dh

[runic laurel]

Did you ping that you’re attacking the target or do you expect all your shuffle partners to track your full bleeds

[proven kayak]

Tbf leveling isn’t that bad if you compare it to gearing a fresh toon

[proven kayak]

Well if I said it’s the main attack target do you really need to ping ?

He just random imprisoned a dying target

While healer was full cc

I don’t expect awc players but I also don’t know expect someone who have critical thinking of a table

[runic laurel]

I think you’d gain a lot of agency by using pings instead of expecting your partners to guess what you’re doing I don’t think that’s a hot take

[proven kayak]

To be fair most of times there is no issue only in low rated or people don’t know how assa sub works with dr bleed etc

[gleaming sentinel]

Yo what’s the price 80-90

[fathom crag]

750k but thats eu

[gleaming sentinel]

[potent pivot]

~600k NA

depending

[quick temple]

sarena has a widget that shows who's getting targetted and who your mates are targetting on frames now

[gleaming sentinel]

About how long does it take?

[potent pivot]

i'm told 3-3.5hr depending on warband bonus

but i think its faster

its like 3-4m xp/hr

i think it scales down a little as you level

[spring bough]

@gusty hedge you should start a business 👀

[molten hedge]

I’m embarrassed to say I’ve got 14 90s lol I don’t find leveling that bad

But basically have the route memorized now

Mmm prune juice @potent pivot

[potent pivot]

gotta have like 6 accounts to do this method

💀

[spring bough]

@molten hedge has the multiple accounts. Joint venture? You and servo 45/45 split and ofc 10 to the accountant

[gleaming sentinel]

14! Bro I leveled my second one this weekend and already regret it

[molten hedge]

LMFAO

[molten hedge]

get's much easier after yk the route and have 25% warband

[spring bough]

Are we holding services for outlaw tomorrow?

I got my all black outfit picked out for the day

[severe helm]

Jeeeeeeeez

Hella pricey

[potent pivot]

brand new method that also may only last a week or two like the last one

they can kinda charge w/e they want because of that

[rough rock]

We should Que 3s as triple outlaw

[severe helm]

I wwould have figured it would make it cheaper

[potent pivot]

how so

[severe helm]

a new faster easier method

I would figure it brings prices down

supply up

cost down

[potent pivot]

no

the last method was faster

[severe helm]

ah

[potent pivot]

and it got patched

[severe helm]

aaaah

[potent pivot]

so if you think about it

this new method likely has a short lifespan

very high demand

[severe helm]

the way you said it I thought they just discovered a neww better way

[potent pivot]

naw

the only other method is self playing through dungeons for like 8 hours

which costs like 1m+ to get "carried" through

[severe helm]

thats slower than just solo leveling lol

why would anyone pay for that

are they fucking dumb

or is that 8 hours 1-90?

[potent pivot]

i don't think anyone really was

but if u wanted 4 boosters to carry you through leveling dungeons that what it cost

[potent pivot]

idk it may not be 8hr i'm exagerrating

but it was long

and naw 80-90

the casuals paying for that type of thing probably don't know any better

[severe helm]

lol

[fading yacht]

for sub, when the season started we were advised to build 600-700 haste but now im seeing most players do about 200 haste and the rest mastery. is that the new meta?

[potent pivot]

depends on the bracket you focus

[fading yacht]

Honestly im pretty low, i just like to play for fun. I dont really care to climb the ladder.. but also winning is more fun than losing lol

[potent pivot]

running either won't make a difference

but again

depends on bracket

shuffle, blitz, 3s, etc

[fading yacht]

oh my bad. i do blitz

[potent pivot]

then you'd play higher mastery

[fading yacht]

gotcha! thanks

[spring bough]

Just realized today’s may the fourth….. what episode of Star Wars to watch 🤔

[mystic tundra]

the new darth maul series aint bad if u havent started it

[spring bough]

https://x.com/bigmoranx/status/2051416188358660416?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Bigmoran (@Bigmoranx)

The AWC 100% needs to pivot to Solo Shuffle.

X · May 4, 2026, 9:38 PM

What’s yalls thoughts on this one

May the best man win? lol

[outer sky]

I wouldnt be opposed to a Shuffle cup. Probs wouldnt want the whole thing to be centered around shuffle though

[spring bough]

Would have to be a first place for healer and a first place for dps if they did that

[abstract stratus]

did anything change with dashing scoundral talent? it feels like it does net0 now for energy

[severe helm]

Theyve done this

it was aite

guess what classes did well

(rogue and mage)

[spring bough]

Skill issue for the other classes

Spell** issue ig 😂

[spring bough]

I don’t think anything has changed w it

[abstract stratus]

idk if taking it is the move anymore tbh

like drop it and regi and take 2 points in rapid inje

[severe helm]

I havent been just cuz I dont have energy issues much

whats regi

[severe helm]

oh wait im thinking of flickering steel

lol

wrong spec

[abstract stratus]

lmao

[potent pivot]

nothing has changed with it no. you don't feel the difference in most things that effect energy.

[severe helm]

red name

[lime oar]

tbf dashing scoundrel sounds like it should be an outlaw talent

[potent pivot]

still nice to take as much as possible with how energy is this season

believe it or not it actually gives quite a bit

[half zenith]

they should remove feint dmg reduction in stuns

[spring bough]

Outlaw has scoundrel strike

[potent pivot]

...?

[abstract stratus]

what does the energy return even look like because i cant even see it proccing on dummies

[spring bough]

Rage bait?

[half zenith]

im just speaking the truth

[spring bough]

They already nerfed it and took away feint CDR what more u wanna take

[potent pivot]

wdym what does it look like

energy number go up

[abstract stratus]

like removing the talent my regen is the same as with the talent when attacking dummies

unless the diference is so small i could never see it with my eyes

[half zenith]

the damage reduction in stuns 🙂

[spring bough]

Yeah they nerfed it used to be more

[abstract stratus]

like i tried aoe and st and i cant see it giving back energy more than without

[potent pivot]

lets get rid of blur and glimpse while we're at it

[half zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/sgt-gif-6707021639115654273

[spring bough]

Sry some of us know to pre feint a stun 🤷‍♂️

[abstract stratus]

i like to pre feint air and then get incapped into a sleep into a stun

cover all the bases u know

[potent pivot]

brother

its 1 energy per poison crit

you aren't going to be able to see some massive difference

with your eyes

[abstract stratus]

then why take it if the difference is negligible?

[half zenith]

yeah everyone at my mmr knows how to do it thats why I dont like it duh

[abstract stratus]

im just tryna understand

[potent pivot]

just because you can't see the difference with your eyes does not make it negligible

its still something like ~10% more energy per match iirc last i checked

[outer sky]

• checks join date *

Yep every single time

[potent pivot]

thats guiseppi's friend or something

[vocal surge]

Imagine getting predicted by the rogue for when you use your stun and complaining about it xD

[outer sky]

I have dumb friends too

Realistically more defensives should be like feint. Minimally impactful baseline but highly impactful if used at the right time. Too many defensives are idiot proof by being usable while in CC. Take off the training wheels already

[abstract stratus]

ok i dumped energy and had three dummies fully poisoned and dotted and was able to see it ticking offset to the VW ticks. it is small, but it is working. i just wanted to visually have a way of seeing it tick since its hard to test in real time for me. im seeing almost nobody take those talents in any bracket so i was wondering if it broke. i know ivan cooks with what he talks about

[severe helm]

ngl we pre feinted mythiccs rage bait

gg nerd

dont @ me idc

[outer sky]

How do people have nothing else to do besides join another class discord just to complain about the class like thats so weird and cringe

[potent pivot]

Ye go check the talents on icy veins

And compare it to what people are using

And you will see why that dumbass shit is being played

[abstract stratus]

icy veins is always cooked lol

[half zenith]

2 charges 15 sec cd off global

much prediction very skill

[abstract stratus]

i have been testing this build from someone named SHUGEN on murlok for blitz and hes quite a bit ahead of the next guy

https://murlok.io/character/us/black-dragonflight/shugen/pvp

[potent pivot]

Which is why murlok is so cooked now

[half zenith]

its not the predictions that are annoying its it being perma up because it has 2 charges and 15 second cd

[potent pivot]

Can’t always trust randoms on murlok

[abstract stratus]

i dont take poison bomb tho because thats ass

[outer sky]

It took you that long to think of that? Better bait please

[outer sky]

Its uptime isnt even half lmao

[half zenith]

was in a game

[outer sky]

Nah bs I saw you typing on and off

[half zenith]

thats why you are the rating you are

[abstract stratus]

brother

[outer sky]

Because I can do math?

[abstract stratus]

check who you said that too

[vocal surge]

Perma up?

My boi, Feint does not last that long

We dont have Float like a Butterfly

go back to your 1200 bracket

[half zenith]

LOL

[outer sky]

Idk who this guy is but 90% chance he mains warr, ret, or DH

[vocal surge]

^

[half zenith]

alright I will link my rogue I have played for 4 days of this season

you can link your char

[abstract stratus]

i get dh vibes

dieing in a cheap 10 seconds into the round type beat

[half zenith]

I mean I looked him up

just to see who was flaming

im not gonna start linking peoples stuff

but lol

[potent pivot]

Blitz rating isn’t really based on build man it’s based on so much other stuff

[gleaming sentinel]

We really doing rating ego shit in here? Cmon bros

[abstract stratus]

i know but this is the ONLY one that wasnt the typical which is why i zeroed in on it

well one of the only

[half zenith]

you have it available for every conceivable time you're off dr and in danger

[potent pivot]

But ye in blitz you have lower uptime so it just depends on team fight vs objective play really

[outer sky]

My rating has been higher than yours is now for like 3 weeks lmao

[vocal surge]

Man says to link character, doesn't link character

[outer sky]

Stop telegraphing your goes

[vocal surge]

doesn't know how to math

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Yeah its cringe

[half zenith]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Altar of Storms/Careful

this is my rogue I played for 4 days

[potent pivot]

[half zenith]

if its higher WR and cr than u please stop typing in the convo

[outer sky]

No its not LMAO

[vocal surge]

He's only 2100 on Rogue

[potent pivot]

Would you like to be shown the door or something

[half zenith]

im getting flamed by 4 people and get told to link char

so do

[vocal surge]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Moon Guard/Wersarcht

[outer sky]

@half zenith have you tried not stunning into feint?

[potent pivot]

You came in ragebaiting

Don’t play dumb

[half zenith]

I honestly think it should be removed?

[abstract stratus]

sin has been a lot more fun to push than sub for blitz but ive been duo queuing with my less pvp oriented healer friend so weve been just casually pushing it. i want him to get more interested in the nuance of it all and he gets heated in arenas

[half zenith]

yeah its the waiting to not stun into thats annoying

[potent pivot]

That’s a wild take

[outer sky]

Ok so you just have a hard on to press your buttons at the wrong time and youre mad about it

[vocal surge]

^

[outer sky]

And youre rating shaming people higher rated than you with better win/loss ratios

And youre bad at math

And youre bad at trolling

[gleaming sentinel]

See this is why outlaw got nerfed

I blame yall

[half zenith]

having 2 charges on a cd shorter than it takes DR to reset does that

[wintry nexus]

I wanna argue too guys

[spring bough]

Why is there outlaw on outlaw crime going on rn

[vocal surge]

Reroller trying to say Feint op

[spring bough]

But also why does an outlaw want their feint Dr fucked up lmao

[vocal surge]

with the PvP talent that wants us to predict their stun

[outer sky]

Feints maximum uptime is 40% unless the game is really short. If you played an infinitely long game and had the maximum possible feint uptime, it would be 40%

And thats unrealistically high for a real game

[half zenith]

because I played the class for 3 days for that rating its not actually a char I care about

the theme is sick tho

and it was op so had to try it

[half zenith]

okay so I want you to not be defensive with me and actually think about this

[vocal surge]

Its literally 1 talent rn that's driving the class to be remotely too strong

[outer sky]

Let the record show i was right. DH main

[vocal surge]

from the entire kit

[half zenith]

well no my r1 is on ww

[spring bough]

Oh boy

[outer sky]

Thats even worse

[gleaming sentinel]

Ah a rank 1, that explains it all. I’m out lol

[outer sky]

WW monks complaining right now

[spring bough]

We really need to remove DR from fists cause that shits way too OP

[half zenith]

ah yes without it surely it wouldnt have won almost every EU AWC for the past 6 years or so

[outer sky]

They just need to remove the parry talent

[half zenith]

okay but zicore I want you to actually think about this

[half zenith]

YOU CAN CHEAP THROUGH IT

BTW

[vocal surge]

The 1 talent in question right now that has only existed in 2 weeks

Go learn how to read brother

[outer sky]

Yeah but I dont want to burn a vanish for that

[spring bough]

With what our one cheap every 2 min??

[potent pivot]

you mean when it had CDR on it?

and it wasn't nerfed for outlaw?

[outer sky]

Man I was about to call that out

[half zenith]

ANYWAYS 15 second cd 2 charges off global right

[abstract stratus]

must be nice (sin rogue screeching)

[half zenith]

dr resets

[gleaming sentinel]

We know rogue has a good kit for PvP that’s why we play it

[half zenith]

every 16 seconds rn or someshit

[potent pivot]

hasn't even been off global that long

[vocal surge]

2 charges only applies to Sub Rogue

and its on the GCD

[outer sky]

He means feint i think

[half zenith]

no its not

[vocal surge]

I thought he meant Cheap Shot

[half zenith]

fair enough convo got confusing for a second

[half zenith]

IM NOT FLEXING RATING

I was showing

the charges

[vocal surge]

im proving that is my character

[outer sky]

Yeah i know what youre going to say. You'll always be able to feint when you come off DR. Okay? Dont instantly stun off DR

[half zenith]

yes so you can feint

I wait

feint

I wait

and then ur go is back

and ur preing me for next go

and we lose momentum

[outer sky]

How???

[half zenith]

you can obviously play around it with incap or preing when you dont have feint up

[spring bough]

Man I wonder what people used to do when feint was 2 charges with CDR so the cooldown was effectively like 5 seconds

[half zenith]

its just annoying

[outer sky]

There we go

Finally

Some honesty

[spring bough]

Evasion also used to effectively be like a 30-40 second cooldown too 😭

[half zenith]

I mean its annoying out of the fact it doesnt need 2 charges and you could increase the damage reduction

[half zenith]

trust me ik

[half zenith]

it didnt have as much dmg reduc in stuns then

[vocal surge]

almost 20s back in Shadowlands because of that 1 conduit lol

[spring bough]

It had more for a couple seasons I believe

[outer sky]

It doesnt have any damage reduction in stuns if you dont stun into it lmao

[outer sky]

Outlaw did

[spring bough]

Also feint for outlaw is nerfed vs feint for sin/sub

[abstract stratus]

i showed you my thunderfury
pls respond

[half zenith]

it's off global and my mmr is purely multi r1 rogues literally everyone stuns into it or is sitting on a DR because of it every now and then

you're acting like its purely a skill issue

[half zenith]

also you seem like a outlaw 1 trick and I respect that I dislike sub more than outlaw im ngl

I think outlaw is cool dmg wise and should be better more often wtihout being just turbo broken when it is

[outer sky]

Then youre getting outplayed bro. You'll inevitably stun into it at some point but if its constantly happening to you then yes thats a skill issue.

Your mmr is lower than mine im fighting the same people you are or better

And im not constantly stunning into feint wall

So play better

[half zenith]

i mean its not

maybe on my rogue

[vocal surge]

I genuinely think if Blizzard took the time and think some stuff through, Outlaw would be in a better position

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

Let me ego this guy rq with my 2100 peak outlaw that took 200 games of blitz

[potent pivot]

gimme

[outer sky]

And your main

[half zenith]

my main is 2.4 mmr rn?

[vocal surge]

Like when this pvp talent was first introduced back TWW S2, if Blizzard actually reduced the DR to compensate for CDR on Outlaw before its actual inception

It'd be a lot healthier

[abstract stratus]

air is too thick in here i can taste the salinity i gotta cool the room off

[half zenith]

you playing in secret dimension where 2.4 isnt top of ladder

[outer sky]

So you are a DH main??

[half zenith]

because I checked ur char

[half zenith]

yes I am currently maining dh

[vocal surge]

Fite me 1v1

[half zenith]

my monk is also 2.3 mmr but dc'd so got -150

[outer sky]

"Well no"

When i said DH main

You seem like a very confused individual

Maybe seek professional help

[half zenith]

fair but not historically a dh main

[abstract stratus]

lemme get that chair in the corner of the room to watch u two

[half zenith]

just rerolled it because 5 mil glimpses is fun

but W catch honestly

either way both of those chars are higher mmr than you and you saying "dont stun into it" when im clearly complaining about the playing around it being annoying / game changing doesnt do anything for me

have fun complaining in here while ur class is perma the top melee in 80% of AWC's tho

[spring bough]

Why even play around feint? Like monk cocoon I’ll hit thru that shit 9/10 times

[half zenith]

also just to clarify ur char is on area 52 right ? @outer sky

[outer sky]

Regardless. I play 4 different rogues and my highest rated one has a higher rank than your DH does now when I got to the rating I am on him. You can verify that on Drustvar. So did my 2nd highest rated rogue. Ive played into the same people. I had a lobby vs Jw and guess what? I killed him in stuns for 3 of my wins that lobby. You'd think someone like him would be a pro pre-feinter. But it didnt happen like that because I dont have that skill issue like you do

[severe helm]

shut up non title holder

my titles make me inherently more correct than you

[outer sky]

Area52, Dalaran, and Whisperwind

[severe helm]

I have 3

I am the most correct

[half zenith]

im not linking ur shit but none of those are higher than me

[abstract stratus]

HELL YEA BROTHER ROLL TIDE

[half zenith]

on either char

[potent pivot]

[half zenith]

Holy fuck roll tide

[wintry nexus]

Hold this ****

[half zenith]

I didnt bring up title to bash anyone a single time btw

[severe helm]

awc as a balancing metric is 😴

[severe helm]

I did though

pipe down kid

[half zenith]

ty

[severe helm]

1 title andy

know your place

[spring bough]

Mewo you fucking crack me up man

[severe helm]

you can stay youre chill

[abstract stratus]

i wish there was better p title than Private

[outer sky]

Ive been a higher rank than you on 2 of my chars. Its really not a difficult concept unless youre dumb enough to stun into feint enough to whine about it. You can check drustvar. I havent queue my highest rated rogue in 3 weeks.

[abstract stratus]

private is too funny tho

[outer sky]

Can we also talk about how cringe it is somebody playing WW and Dev DH is whining about feint of all things

Press incap before you sweep

[half zenith]

I was gone on army shit for all of april til the 28th lmao

[outer sky]

Its not hard

[severe helm]

all I hear is excuses from non multi title holders

[half zenith]

also if we are saying has been

[outer sky]

Thank you for your service. And I mean that. Your take on Feint is still fried af though

[abstract stratus]

i was not aware of your game, is it as cool as private though

[severe helm]

nothing is as cool as private

pop off king

[half zenith]

damnit now I feel bad for what I was typing

[spring bough]

Is that the private from vanilla wow tho

[abstract stratus]

fuck no i didnt play retail until legion and was private server andy until i got a job around then lol

i need a better p title

[outer sky]

The Insane is a pretty sick title

[abstract stratus]

the insane is an insane title to get

i dont got the mind power to farm mobs for days straight ima be honest

[rough rock]

what does private mean

[abstract stratus]

its a free title for getting 1100 lmfao

its goofy

but its the best

[severe helm]

means his epeen is massive

[spring bough]

Just looks like a time sink probably not too bad lol

[abstract stratus]

UGE

[half zenith]

prized legend hehehehe

[outer sky]

Worst season title they've ever done besides maybe "Verdant"

[abstract stratus]

Can i get a uhhhhhh oozing season, oozing legend, oozing gladiator, oozing warlord

[half zenith]

yeah I missed forged by 4 cr

my lobby ended after season froze

🙁

[halcyon timber]

Good ol FTX days

[half zenith]

yeah fort polk is just lovely

[halcyon timber]

Heh

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/this-ya-boy-pointing-you-the40year-old-virgin-kevin-hart-gif-16180193

@molten hedge

[half zenith]

I already know he says worse shit than me

I dont even need to look

[spring bough]

Gonna save that one

[potent pivot]

?

[abstract stratus]

how about an abhorrent season
abhorrent glad
abhorrent legend
abhorrent warlord

almost as cool as galactic and astral

[half zenith]

I like that

[outer sky]

Galactic is sick. Forged is sick. Obsidian was sick

[stoic spruce]

They know each other

[outer sky]

Crimson was pretty good too

[halcyon timber]

11 bang bang?

[potent pivot]

ik, but guiseppi doesn't say anything worse

idr guiseppi ever being weird like this guy

[half zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/psyop-go-go-gadget-go-go-gadget-psyop-asuka-asuka-r-kreutz-gif-9146424484875063811

[potent pivot]

@molten hedge i saw u typing fool

[half zenith]

he fits in here im sure

[halcyon timber]

Stewart and Merrill was always miserable too.

Catoosa was cool or however tf it was spelled

[half zenith]

saying remove feint was like kicking a hornets nest but the vibes were good after egos calmed down

[half zenith]

JRTC is the only CTC I have been on so I wouldnt know about the other ones

I can assume they suck by location tho

[abstract stratus]

idk what you mean my ego is as big as a gorilla on estrogen

[halcyon timber]

Yep swamp lots of swamp and gators, hogs, bears , X

[half zenith]

and scorpions

[halcyon timber]

Spiders the size of your hand on your kevlar while you pulled watch

[outer sky]

I mean tbf man you were trying to flex rating while playing one of the most inflated specs in the game rating wise. Here's the shuffle ladder if it were just your spec and my spec.

[halcyon timber]

Scorpions for sure, PCC constantly haha

[outer sky]

You cant really use numerical rating between specs for shuffle comparisons

You have to use rank

[abstract stratus]

the real question is wtf is that coalie guy on

[outer sky]

And my rank is 3 slots behind yours but ive been sitting that rating for 3 weeks

But I think you know this about shuffle

So I digress

[halcyon timber]

We ate a good bit of snakes too

[half zenith]

I mean fair but also I dont use any rank screenshots to like bash someone til late season usually just because it typically doesnt matter

[lime oar]

i had a few weeks of work up patrols on fort story

man

[halcyon timber]

It was like on king kong haha

[half zenith]

like I have a bunch of screenshots of #1 on feral WW dh etc but theres no sense if I didnt end there

atleast is how I look at it

[lime oar]

spiders the size of my head in my peripherals of my nods all night

[outer sky]

Yeah, none of this matters until the last few days

[halcyon timber]

Middle of the gd night hitting a dart in a ranger grave

[outer sky]

My point is just that this idea that im somehow playing against people at a totally different skill level than you are playing against just isnt true

Thats all

[half zenith]

Psyop we get to talk to the roleplayers in the towns and always use it to score a hard top building if we can

obv no ac but

much better than a ranger grave

[half zenith]

I mean if you are going by rank that can be true

mmr is what matters for skill level of competition even if 1 spec is deflated

[halcyon timber]

It was funny when ranges were hot doing nigh qual, seeing tracer rounds pop shit flying around after ricochet. Youd just see it in your nods

[half zenith]

I have lost a blitz now arguing in here tho

I must go

[abstract stratus]

2 buds in one screenshot @outer sky

[halcyon timber]

Yeah shit is cool, had a couple buddies in diff units. We all went diff places . Go army woo

[gleaming sentinel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/daniel-cormier-cormier-mobile--k01KQTPFDJCQ6620AV5NND79MSR

me reading rogue disc

[outer sky]

What is this a ranking of?

[wintry nexus]

Is the discord this fire every day?

[abstract stratus]

this was early last season august 16th

[outer sky]

My birthday!

[gleaming sentinel]

hell yea brother

[abstract stratus]

we where talking about this a couple days ago lol

i got up to like rank 7 and then played another rogue and lost that spot pretty quick lol

[severe helm]

tbh yeah rogue disc is great content

[spring bough]

Usually some bullshit goin on

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Trickz always stirring the pot too

[severe helm]

notrickz is a trouble maker for sure

[potent pivot]

cap noobs

[stoic spruce]

Trickz a hater too

[severe helm]

trutru

[spring bough]

No fun police🚨

[gleaming sentinel]

plz no typing if you arent high rated

(1800 bgb)

[half zenith]

FACTS

[severe helm]

shutup monotitle

[halcyon timber]

I swear the gas chamber has had residual effects at times. Some food doesnt taste the same anymore

[severe helm]

polytitle chads only

[gleaming sentinel]

opens jacket

[severe helm]

whoa

actually

thats insane

[lime oar]

that’s actually insane

wtf

r1 toy collector

[gleaming sentinel]

my true endgame

[severe helm]

I did kyveza ?? but didnt get the toy for some reason

did you have to go buy it somewhere or something

[abstract stratus]

hol up lemme hitem with something SPECTACULAR

[gleaming sentinel]

i do awc and mdi for the toys lol

[half zenith]

dude I bet if I went in and did this in mage discord I would get swatted

[severe helm]

theyre soft over there

[molten hedge]

Would you like to share pictures of your trip

[half zenith]

by this I dont mean ragebait because thats not what I did

I pointed out a fact of the game

that the mages and rogues ( our overlord classes ) dont like

[gleaming sentinel]

my claim to fame is my team was the first team @pearl bane and Kalvish had to beat, the road to last seasons awc championship went through us

[abstract stratus]

howd that go

[gleaming sentinel]

(we got curb stomped)

[abstract stratus]

LMFAO

[gleaming sentinel]

game 3 they pulled out arcane mage and bm hunter

[abstract stratus]

they what

[potent pivot]

the thing is, you only see it from the opposing standpoint. that's the problem. you're not here to have an actual discussion about it as far as i can tell, you're just complaining about something

[severe helm]

yeah whats up with that

some bs

[potent pivot]

calling that a fact and not opinion is just weird

[molten hedge]

Myth has a mind of his own. I haven’t even read all this and ik he popped off. We disagree on more than anyone I know lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

servos claim to fame: aura mogging pikaboo

[abstract stratus]

my claim to fame was one shotting venruki in a shuffle game and now i have the clip saved as a soundboard button

[molten hedge]

He is insane though. He makes my life hell when we wargame. He pre’s everything and fucks me constantly

[half zenith]

No I tried to bring up a actual argument

[severe helm]

typical WW/DH main doesnt even know what a "fact" is

[half zenith]

okay maybe it was a little ragebait

but also it does need looked at

[potent pivot]

smh my head

[gleaming sentinel]

i should go into ret discord and say "rets shouldnt be able to do dmg while in bubble"

[potent pivot]

the funny thing is, outlaw has a nerfed version and dies through it anyway

[half zenith]

like remove the 2nd charge put it on a 20 second cd but increase the damage reduction would be my actual suggestion @potent pivot

[severe helm]

I mean youd just be pointing out facts so

[potent pivot]

so its a weird thing to talk about nerfing

like yea its rly good for sub, which is already an inherently tankier spec than assa/outlaw atm

[abstract stratus]

https://www.twitch.tv/pikabooirl/clip/ClearDreamyNeanderthalKevinTurtle-2RE3dfZbP8TexD7u

[potent pivot]

but when you nerf it, we just die through even when we use it properly

[gleaming sentinel]

have you seen my shuffle win rate? I'd like to think i have some authority

[potent pivot]

yea so we'd die every 2nd DR

gotcha

[half zenith]

you have cloak and evasion and vanish for those 🙂

[severe helm]

you cant vanish while stunned

bozo

or evasion

or cloak

[half zenith]

just pre

[severe helm]

pre doesnt do anything

[half zenith]

like ww has to do with port

[half zenith]

if pre vanish and running didnt do anything than WW port would be useless

because its same concept

[severe helm]

pre evasion doesnt do anything lol

[abstract stratus]

how about we give every spec in the game a defensive like feint. healthier for the game if everyone has it.

[severe helm]

ww port doesnt have a 2 min cd

if youre saying ww port should have 2 min cd

then I get you

[molten hedge]

Yeah outlaws feint is only 15% bro

[severe helm]

or youre saying vanish should have 30s cd?

[molten hedge]

It ain’t even real

[severe helm]

im also down

[potent pivot]

still makes it auto-loss every ~7th DR

[severe helm]

take my feint stun dr

idc

[half zenith]

you have 2 charges

[severe helm]

no I dont

I have 1

[half zenith]

talent into it 🙂

[severe helm]

shiiiiiiet didnt even think of that

[stoic spruce]

That's more introspective than a lot of people here

[hybrid sapphire]

they nerfed the sell price?

[half zenith]

I mean you have to factor in shit rotating off cd and healer externals

you shouldnt be able to solo live every go

[stoic spruce]

I think it should auto proc and have an ICD

[half zenith]

I think karma should be 100% and not removed by bop

🙂

[abstract stratus]

@potent pivot aye yo bb back to sin talents, is regicides reward REALLY that useful ?

[severe helm]

yeah removing it with bop is dumb

[potent pivot]

You can’t though

Even now

[half zenith]

didnt say you can Im just saying there should be a go where you have nothing

[hybrid sapphire]

is he like in a diff apt every month

[gleaming sentinel]

kidney shot should be on restless blades cdr tbh

[half zenith]

because its like that for every class

[molten hedge]

#pvp message

[severe helm]

nah lots of classes have usable in stun cds

like a big majority

[abstract stratus]

hes drifting like in the ol spaghettin westerns

[molten hedge]

Check out that karma myth lmao

[severe helm]

ret, war, lock, priest, mage, druid, dk

[half zenith]

those arent up every go tho

[potent pivot]

Any haste is kinda good with how energy is rn yeah but like if we’re talking blitz u can probably do the 2 in RI thing u were saying it’s fine

[half zenith]

its gonna be a WW pre karmaing and dieing in 2 globals ik the drill

I dont need to look

[molten hedge]

Lmfaoooo

[abstract stratus]

word

[severe helm]

yeah you can have higher skill ceiling defensives that are more powerful if you use them perfectly

or easier to use defensives that are weaker but easier to use

seems fair to me

gitgud

pick a harder spec

not my fault

playing baby mode dh/ww

monotitle

[half zenith]

I agree I just think 2 charges at 15 seconds cd off global isnt super high skill expression

[potent pivot]

[half zenith]

like I said make it 1 charge 20 seconds and higher dmg reduction

[potent pivot]

I’m sighing at meowth

[stoic spruce]

[spring bough]

[severe helm]

tell that to every rogue that died in awc

go let them know they suck

cuz they didnt pre every go

they should never die right

[half zenith]

there is just no way

this is a real argument

[severe helm]

idgi

15s cd

2 charges

they should never die

[stoic spruce]

They also had grapple when they died

[severe helm]

cd for every go

just pre it

[severe helm]

how do you die?

[spring bough]

Damn what bads

[stoic spruce]

How you gonna die with grapple off cr

Cd

[half zenith]

it was 5000 RMD mirrors and they died in dampening or because they got pre'd into a go with no trinket

[stoic spruce]

Pillar right there

[severe helm]

go rewatch

[abstract stratus]

lemme get a uhhhhhhhhh season 1 of wotlk shamans button bloat but give it to every class and put it all on the gcd and make it rotationally significant.

ight now make haste not shorten the gcd

fixed the game guys

[severe helm]

crazy those rogues died

must be bad

can just feint every go

15s cd

[half zenith]

you just told me to explain how rogues died when the only thing playing was RMD

[severe helm]

2 charges

literally how do they die

[half zenith]

theres a thing called dampening

somebody was dying either way

[severe helm]

dampening doesnt affect dr

bozo

[gusty hedge]

[half zenith]

I didnt say it did

[severe helm]

literally 15s cd ngl how do you die

[outer sky]

It needs to be a buff on the monk. The whole thing with karma being a debuff was fine like 10 years ago. The fact that karma breaks easily isnt even the worst thing about it. It has a 20 yard range so vs caster cleaves sometimes you just die because nobody is even in range to karma. You cant karma a target youre not facing either. Ive killed many WW monks by shadowstepping their trinket to get behind them so they cant karma me. And also searing glare makes it "miss" which is dumb af

[stoic spruce]

Typical mewo missing the point

Smh

[half zenith]

but jesus christ you are the dumbest one I have run into

in here

[severe helm]

still more titles than you

[abstract stratus]

YO IMAGINE LMAO that would actually be a funny change

[outer sky]

Make that shit a buff on the monk that does damage based on how much each person does into it

[stoic spruce]

And make Ret better? No ty

[abstract stratus]

ope

my bad g

[stoic spruce]

U good big dawg

[half zenith]

in game be bvack to talk to stupid in a sec

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

GL

remember dont target rogues

cant die

15s 2 charges

[abstract stratus]

i cant with yall

[stoic spruce]

Prolly a ret in that lobby and he's calling ME stupid

[hybrid sapphire]

do the sub and ol nerfs go into effect tomorrow

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Silly red name

[gusty hedge]

i havent logged on outlaw since they announced the nerfs

[stoic spruce]

Same

[half zenith]

I never said they cant die man idk what ur deal is.

[stoic spruce]

Congratulations on your first argument with mewo, it's like an initiation.

One of us

One of us

[marble oasis]

Only lost because he didn't pre-feint

[outer sky]

I see you've met the dog

[severe helm]

It's just too easy

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's great

[severe helm]

Love fresh blood

[abstract stratus]

[marble oasis]

👀

[molten hedge]

After the month myth had at his army thing, he’s probably very comfortable being outnumbered in a room full of men

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

💀

[gleaming sentinel]

you are not allowed to say rogue is good in here

rule 1

[dark moon]

Like thorns at some point?

[half zenith]

nah its the fact I missed forged by 4 cr because I had army shit that weekend so you can say you have more titles that got me

[molten hedge]

@severe helm this is true he sent a SS 10 mins after ssn ended that did suck

[half zenith]

well no it ended 5 mins after ssn ended

because the dodgers werent letting it pop

[molten hedge]

Yea whatever it just sucked for you

I’d be so mad

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

@rough rock

[half zenith]

@rough rock those are the people who made me miss that title

[rough rock]

I forgot if thats ToS here so oops

damn NEs

[severe helm]

I missed my 4th title in the same way

Even won the match to put me over

But season ended mid match

[half zenith]

SAME

[severe helm]

Also CANT BELIEVE THEY UPPED THE PVE AURA BUFF FOR OUTLAW

AND DIDNT TOUCH PVP

[rough rock]

When i get my first title im going to come in here and make fun of everyone

[spring bough]

Did these two just become best friends??

[rough rock]

Every conversation with mewo starts as an arguement then turns friendly

its tradition

[severe helm]

I wish your points went up and down each round haha

[outer sky]

exactly

[stoic spruce]

Mewo has sisters for sure

[half zenith]

I would say it should just count lobbies that started pre cutoff but metaphors and Maldiva missing r1 because 2 people just ran around in stealth stalling to season end wouldn’t have happened

And that is one of the funniest moments in wow history

[molten hedge]

Wow that’s crazy

The cartel cough cabal has always found a way to suppress M4

[hybrid sapphire]

what was the addon to make names into arena numbers? sorry

[potent pivot]

arena core or sweepyboops

multiple addons have it

[hybrid sapphire]

ty queen

IJBOL

[outer sky]

Leave

and report the tank

[spring bough]

What’s the tanks bnet? Gonna need to send a report

[rugged sparrow]

based as
ban all tanks from my arena

[gleaming sentinel]

i got into a game with Coalie, another rogue who was sub and me who was outlaw... the 4th? a prot pal

the sub afk'd lol

[spring bough]

Noooooo 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

i started 1-2 and he bounced

[outer sky]

If i see a tank in a shuffle idc if i'm #1 on the ladder 30 seconds before the season ends. I'm reporting the tank and leaving the game

[hybrid sapphire]

holy shit im getting so GIGATILTED from this prot pal shuffle

bubble 100% uptime

[stoic spruce]

Interesting

I should partake and post tank gameplay here

[gleaming sentinel]

holy shit he really is an outlaw

[stoic spruce]

I'm morally superior than them ye

[spring bough]

Outlaw got an Inc on the dmg buff

Maybe we stay trickster for shits n giggles lol

[gleaming sentinel]

pve only

[spring bough]

Yeah. Still gonna try trick vs fate tomorrow and see what one feels better

[outer sky]

fate feels better even now because it doesnt play KS

Killing Spree is one of the clunkiest buttons in the game rn

[hybrid sapphire]

@potent pivot im not seeing it tbh

[gleaming sentinel]

think fatebound outlaw really isnt gonna be tha bad

we wont carry lobbies without playing well now tho instead of just running someone down

[outer sky]

any time you have to spend combo points on something that does less damage than something else just because it has some interaction with a talent, it feels absolutely miserable

[gleaming sentinel]

yea ks fuckin sucks

[outer sky]

Thats why I always hated Sectec on sub until Blizzard finally made it do more damage than evisc

before it was less but it would buff your next evisc

like

i hate shit like that lmao

[potent pivot]

U just have dummy brain

[abstract stratus]

IVAN IS LIVE SOUND THE ALARM

[jaunty osprey]

xd

[grave basin]

All damage increased by 5% 9%. Does not affect PvP combat.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

they know how much they nerfed outlaw

and didnt buff it back up for pvp

[potent pivot]

@fathom crag

[fathom crag]

😭

[molten hedge]

that's dirty work

[severe helm]

That is the most zug zug pilled 3head thing I've heard

[outer sky]

Thanks

[potent pivot]

gl with your toxic positivity tmrw seppy 😭

[hybrid sapphire]

all the OLs ive seen so far in arena have been so wack. i think theyre fotm rerollers they dont do anything

[potent pivot]

prolly

[molten hedge]

hey trimaz too lmaooo

[fathom crag]

they buffed MM hunter the week after they ruined them

surely we getting something….

[potent pivot]

if its as bad as i think its going to be

idk what to try other than making a damn forum post

as if that would help

the pvp forums is a bunch of sub 2k cringelords that complain about rogue to no end

[severe helm]

You tell em trickz

[spring bough]

Bro chill 😭

Fatebounds gonna be fine

F is for fine

[potent pivot]

idk man

crazy if zac's forum post actually got them to buff outlaw more

but he had every pve outlaw in the game to post and like it

kek

[severe helm]

True

I mean the numbers dont lie

[potent pivot]

wdym

[severe helm]

If their intention was to offset the cloud cover nerf

With an aura buff

They did the math wrong

That's kinda what his post was about

Pvp is weird maybe theyre intending to nerf us 20% lol

[stoic spruce]

All that just to end up with a perma 50% mod on menacing

[gleaming sentinel]

Double outlaw winning games in awc didn’t help

[stoic spruce]

Imagine if blizz tuned around MDI and RWF

And only that

[potent pivot]

nah no shot

[stoic spruce]

They hit unholy with it

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/why-what-in-the-hell-oh-god-pizza-house-on-fire-gif-15536410

[stoic spruce]

And then rebuffed unholy and didn't apply it to pvp

[gleaming sentinel]

Me walking into Ivan’s stream and he’s fighting Prot pal frost dk Pres

[rough rock]

was going 4-0 and a ddh rage quit

[fathom crag]

anyone has a link to zacs post

interested to see what he wrote

[potent pivot]

1 min

[gleaming sentinel]

Copy it and just make it about PvP plz

[fathom crag]

doubt they listen to pvp feedbacks

[potent pivot]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/outlaw-upcoming-tuning/2302295

[potent pivot]

maybe if all 10 of us post on twitter and @ all the same people the hunters were @'ing

(lmao)

[gleaming sentinel]

I’ll make a twitter account just for that

[outer sky]

They could easily revert the Menacing Rush nerf and it would be more than fine in pvp

[fathom crag]

i wish i was good at making these post

i legit don’t even know what i’d write

[severe helm]

19 min average???

I get like 2 hours to play a night how the fuck am I ever gona play

its like im forced to be a healer

[potent pivot]

wouldn't be nearly enough imo

i don't even get why that nerf happened in the first place

[outer sky]

Thats why I said "easily". As in, they could do that and then some

[potent pivot]

o

[fathom crag]

do i need to start keys to blast some outlaw or what

since they get 9%

[stoic spruce]

If yont

It's pm the same then as now

[potent pivot]

i really don't think they pay any attention to the pvp posts

few people have made really thought out, well written posts that did nothing but get meme'd on by "forum mains"

[stoic spruce]

I'm tired boss

It's so hard to have a conversation about the state of rogue because people are so biased

They're completely blinded by it

[fathom crag]

low-key hoping they are right and outlaw stays good

zeepeye was saying it will be the best melee still

[stoic spruce]

I've yet to see a spec take a beating like this and still be very good

But who knows, maybe I'm wrong

[fathom crag]

unholy dk was still pumping after the 20% vs non mw

so maybe we good

[stoic spruce]

Unfortunately there was only MWs, rets, and WWs.

At the time at least

90 second spec doesn't belong in arenas tbh

[potent pivot]

idk i feel like this is giga cope

[fathom crag]

well ofc they have best warrior in game in team

😄

[potent pivot]

there's just no way it will be better than warr or even assa

[potent pivot]

[fathom crag]

like i said apparently whaazz wmd was already winning top rmds in wargames

[potent pivot]

yeh

apparently

or maybe they're hiding the assa technology

who knows

[grave basin]

supa doing viewer keys

pika doing raids

it's over

[fathom crag]

i blame the community as well

none of the top streamers or w/e are talking about it

why are the top streamers not talking about pvp having 0 inflation

[rough rock]

pve season next season fr

[fathom crag]

or same w class tuning

[hybrid sapphire]

ijbol

[hybrid sapphire]

idt blizz gaf

[potent pivot]

nahj says he wants more emergency nerfs for outlaw

"-5% isn't enough"

just lost

so much respect

[fathom crag]

hahaha he loves sub only

[potent pivot]

That shits weird

I play rogue

Hating on the other specs of the least played class in the game

Very pointless

[potent pivot]

Venruki made a video about it I think

But he makes these videos every season for the last 5 years and blizz does nothing ever

Maybe they start injecting fake MMR at a higher rate and that’s it ..

[fathom crag]

but like what goes thru their mind rn w inflation ?

usually ppl get 2.4 first day in shuffle

its been 2 months people are 2.5

u don’t need to an expert to understand theres some issues

[potent pivot]

I don’t think it goes through their minds at all

None of them pvp at that rating

If smexxin is actually working there he’s surely the only one that actually pvps

[fathom crag]

i dont think he does

last time he streamed some ppl asked about inflation and he ignored everyone

[potent pivot]

I see a lot of r1s say he does but it seems like more of a speculation thing

I’ve seen some devs that would stream raids n stuff in the past and they’d usually ignore those types of questions too though

[fathom crag]

it’s just so easy to fix the mmr

they just gotta send a flat +300 mmr to arenas

[potent pivot]

They’d probably just juice up the weekly MMR cap like always though which doesn’t do much

[fathom crag]

they can do it so easy

[potent pivot]

Idr if I’ve ever seen them crank a big flat amount

I think it was in DF they had to up the weekly cap

Because people were dooming hard after hitting 3k in SL

[fathom crag]

they should just make arenas mmr same as bgs or smth

ppl love high numbers

ppl didn’t wanna q up cus the game was unplayable without mw

[potent pivot]

I agree

glad should be obtainable by a lot more people than it is atm

[fathom crag]

now mw is balanced and u see the highest guy is 2500

[fathom crag]

ppl don’t q 3s cus they see how deflated it is

so the game is completely dead

[potent pivot]

200 people are 2.3k or higher in NA

and 200 in EU

thats

terrible

[fathom crag]

most people play for glad and quit and since u most likely won’t get glad rn if u don’t compete everyone is just afking til the end

it’s so bad

[potent pivot]

i feel like we've been asking for a new rating system since SL

something that doesn't incentivize only playing end of season

[fathom crag]

id make the game so good if i was a dev bro

need to add something that make you queue after glad

either old glad 0.5% or smth else idk

[potent pivot]

need battle pass

[fathom crag]

haha ye lowkey

[potent pivot]

reason to q throughout the season

bronze/iron/silver/gold/diamond/master rankings

[fathom crag]

yea i agree

they getting spammed w those ideas every expansion

it’s just not happening

lowkey would pve if i knew people

cus of the current pvp state

[potent pivot]

yea i kinda want to go for the 1% mount if its a cool one

[potent pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m_kEqH9w2Y

idk why its green

[hybrid sapphire]

gurl they make these videos every season

[hybrid sapphire]

A/B testing

[potent pivot]

yea because pvp gets shittier and shittier every season

[fathom crag]

am i fried for thinking these videos shouldn’t be a thing

[grave basin]

?? he has openly stated he doesnt want any other spec but sub to be pvp viable

and he only wants "traditional" specs like frost mage or arms warriors to be viable only

every other spec is braindead no challenge spec where you login and dont have a challenge and your playtime is wasted

[stoic spruce]

He's the stereotypical sub rogue that's crazy lol

[fathom crag]

imo outlaw crackshot was like 100000x more skill than sub

maybe an hot take

[grave basin]

he;s just a chud

[stoic spruce]

Tell your buddy Nahj

[grave basin]

that's all

[potent pivot]

a lot of skillcapped and icyveins stuff shouldn't be a thing anymore

some of skillcapped's stuff is "ok" for like brand new players

the basic guides on what classes do

[fathom crag]

i don’t like when they are telling ppl what they SHOULD play and what’s more op

[rough rock]

https://x.com/leekatv/status/2051519768356950184?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

Chris (@leekatv)

The Conquest cap will be 7000 next week.

Conquest cap should be removed on May 12th!

X · May 5, 2026, 4:30 AM

True?

[potent pivot]

its always week 11

we are not at week 11

so we do not know

[grave basin]

by next week we shouldbe close to full purple anyway

[potent pivot]

it "should" be, like thats what everyone wants, sure

[grave basin]

only affects people trying out multiple builds

[potent pivot]

but knowing blizzard they forgot the conquest cap exists so

[grave basin]

or outlaw refugees rebuilding their gear

[fathom crag]

true

[potent pivot]

or people wanting to craft weapons

[fathom crag]

can we use the 298 thingy on crafted weap

[grave basin]

(again)

[grave basin]

yes

[potent pivot]

yep

[molten hedge]

yea

[lime oar]

whats the sliver upgrade order again

whats after MH

[molten hedge]

MH insig OH trinket

[long shore]

Anyone knows what the healing potions are called in Midnight for world PvP?

[wanton breach]

Silvermoon Healing potion?

[long shore]

Oh tyty

[long shore]

Is slayers rise open world PVP a thing?

I went to the PvP zone and it's completely dead

In TWW world PvP quests zones used to have bounties. Alliance and horde fighting

Now it's like 3 guys flying around picking up bones to turn in for rep?!

Or am I too late and world PvP was a thing early expac. Maybe I started too late

[grave basin]

slayers rise with war mode on?

and yes it was a thing

[potent pivot]

bloody token gear is useless now

[wanton breach]

might help bridge the gap til we get uncapped conquest at least

[potent pivot]

huh

we already have conq pieces in almost every slot

i just meant compared to honor/conq gear its useless now

it being made the same ilvl as honor gear has basically made it fully irrelevant to the gearing process

[dark moon]

I don't know the thinking process behind slayers rise

Like you implement something new, and nerf the rewards form it

I pvp-ed there (the open world thingy) before the season started

Haven't done a single quest since

Its like it doesn't exist

[grave basin]

open world content will always be beholdened to playing it as soon as it comes out

once people finish their achivements no point going back

also

finally

@potent pivot he's still ranting about outlaw btw

just called it a garbage pve spec that shouldnt be in the game

[potent pivot]

yea i couldn't even watch anymore after 5min earlier

like ill meme to poke at vancleef and say "nerf outlul" etc

but hes deathly serious idk

[dark moon]

I saw they gave 4% more aura dmg to compensate for the cloud cover nerf in pve

But -20% bte is insane

Out of touch