pvp

[dark moon]

And I'll prolly just resto it

[stiff cedar]

LOL IM ON IT

[dark moon]

Or just wait for outlaw nerfs 😄

[outer sky]

Funniest part of those queues was one of those DHs was cringe enough to rage whisper me about assa rogue being OP LOL like bro your spec is so busted we stopped pressing queue just because the game cant find anyone playing anything else to match us up against but MY spec is broken??? Lmao

[lime oar]

seeing zicores name turn red

[stoic spruce]

Favorite yellow names is all

[outer sky]

I was yellow for like 30 seconds man it was horrible

[stiff cedar]

nah im the goat now its destined

we'll have to run 2x outlaw forever its fated @molten hedge

by the goat I mean like a kitten saying baaaah just to be clear

[dark moon]

He can kite 24/7 wtf

And non-stop dmg

[outer sky]

Yeah idk. The DHs i was fighting last night probably take fall damage. The funniest part is none of those games were even really close. I just dogged on them. Which 10000% should not happen

But when you global everyone you queue into and then get railed by the one assa rogue you queue into all night it makes them think assa is busted when in reality theyre just bad

The 3 Dev DH/MW teams losing as a Dev DH with Zen Spheres is wild

[dark moon]

They shouldn't be able to lose it seems

But they are doing the impossible

Kek to the W

[rough rock]

just played against this and dear god what do you even do

get him low, he teleports twice for half his hp bar

gets low without teleport, monk bubble

feels so cringe

[outer sky]

Against Dev DH/MW?

Or just Dev DH in general

[rough rock]

dev/mw

[outer sky]

Whats your comp

[rough rock]

i almost won like 4x and it was just instant heals

disc/outlaw

[outer sky]

Is your disc playing void or oracle?

[rough rock]

oracle

[outer sky]

Hmmm

[rough rock]

Maybe i should run double vanish

[outer sky]

You should be able to just run them down with raw damage

As long as you have a cooldown to trade for his one shot

[rough rock]

i think it was my cc tbh i couldnt get a cross cc to save my life lmao

[outer sky]

Can do shit like, gouge the healer, kidney DH, and have your priest MC the MW off your gouge

Or something like that

[rough rock]

bro these things are insane

got more mobility than i have

[outer sky]

Yeah and theyre getting nerfed by 5% tuesday

[rough rock]

i spent the entire game just chasing them around

[outer sky]

Yep

[rough rock]

it seriously feels like they are glitching around the mao

i got so mad at one point i just deleted one of the locks

[outer sky]

The most annoying thing about DH imo is that CC immunity they get every vengeful retreat. It feels like it lasts forever and it's CD lines up with Kidney

The amount of times ive wasted a game winning stun into that immunity omg

[rough rock]

thats why my kindeys kept missing

jesus fucking christ

[outer sky]

Yep

[rough rock]

any way to track that?

[outer sky]

Nope

[outer sky]

Its usually pretty obvious when they do it. They fly backwards quickly and start gliding.

Its mostly annoying because sometimes they press it right as you kidney and it misses

One thing they'll do a lot

Is Blur

And then Vengeful Retreat right when Blur ends

Because they know you don't want to kidney them with Blur up

But they also know youre horny to stun them

And want to do it as soon as blur falls

So they'll vengeful retreat right when blur ends knowing theres a good chance you'll waste kidney into it

[wanton breach]

they got like 20 resets for vengeful retreat with one of their builds

[outer sky]

Yeah it giga annoying

[rough rock]

we were up to 2-1 with flag and our evoker said defend him as he ran around mid instead of running away from the enemy by running back to our base

We lost with 4 seconds left.

[outer sky]

Those losses are the worst

Trip at the finish line

Did group chat flame him

[rough rock]

Everybody was flaming

He 100% deserved it

[outer sky]

Yeah ill bet

[rough rock]

Like straight up he ran INTO THE ENEMY

instead of running away towards base

Wish i recorded it

I should have never dropped him the flag

[outer sky]

Ive seen some pretty stupid shit too. Like one game I lost because our hunter grabbed the flag and wanted to swap it to our MW FC. Which is fine, but he dropped it to swap in the middle of team fight and it just got insta returned and they capped

[rough rock]

lmao

im having way better luck in shuffle i need to just drop blitz

these nerfs to outlaw is going to feel so shitty

im trying not to doom

[outer sky]

Yeah they are. Theyre overdoing it a bit. They didn't need a flat 5% nerf AND 15% to BtE. Either one of those would havd been fine

The worst nerf though is the cloud cover nerf where it makes fazed only stack twice instead of three times

Because

That will literally be there

Forever

As long as that talent exists

No matter how good or bad outlaw is

They'll never revert that

[rough rock]

Boutta join the other outlaws and roll dh

[solemn frigate]

Maybe a stupid question but what makes trickster better than fatebound for outlaw?

[outer sky]

As of right now the only think making Trickster better than Fatebound is about 28 hours

[rough rock]

Real burst damage.

[outer sky]

Idk why im dooming. I dont even play that spec. Although I am a bit annoyed that the outlaw nerfs were announced literally like 2 hours after I conq capped and finished gearing mine

[rough rock]

It just feels bad not being able to connect on outlaw which I know is a melee thing in general but shadow step would feel so nice

[outer sky]

The thing im most upset about for tuesday is the extra 5% stam everyone is getting

[rough rock]

I will say there has been some sins that absolutely terrify me

[outer sky]

Yeah i wish they'd just put step and hook on a choice node for every rogue spec

Outlaw used to have 1 step and 1 hook

Until TWW

[outer sky]

Nah assa needs a buff

[rough rock]

100%

But in blitz I’ve had a few just dot me and walk away and there goes my health lmao

Subs damage also looks like it just keeps dropping too

[outer sky]

Yeah i remember I globaled you on Silvershard

[rough rock]

Pressing evasion trying to dodge bleeds

[outer sky]

Sub still seems scary to me

I cant really sit a full stun lock from sub without either trinketing or at least feeling scared

Dont get me wrong, I want to buff it

But its definitely doing more damage now than im used to it doing

[severe helm]

And a 12% nerf from the cloud cover nerf

Ngl

I think cloud cover nerf is bigger in pvp

Cuz bte is already so weak

The crit damage bonus is entirely removed now

[outer sky]

I mentioned that

[severe helm]

That's the biggest nerf of all

[outer sky]

^

Yeah

[severe helm]

Outlaw actually getting gutted

Never seen a spec get nerfed this hard in one patch

[stoic spruce]

Unholy in pvp

[severe helm]

Literally like 20%

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[outer sky]

Only saving grace is that theyre not touching fatebound so functionally its only being nerfed 5% flat plus 15% to BTE from where it was before the Cloud Cover change

[wanton breach]

that would be so cool

[stoic spruce]

Both my specs get hit with the satanic 20%

[wanton breach]

i wanna grapple and step on assa

[severe helm]

Yeah so fatebound is getting like a 7% ish nerf lol

Ripppp

[wanton breach]

you mean trickster?

[outer sky]

udk took a flat 20% aura nerf at the start of tnis season. And sub in SL S1 absolutely ate shit.

[outer sky]

No fatebound

[severe helm]

No trickster is getting 20%

[wanton breach]

wait how is fatebound getting nerfed

what did I miss

[stoic spruce]

Spec nerfs

[severe helm]

Cuz they are nerfing all outlaw damage 5%

And bte by 15%

Which is about a 7% nerf

[wanton breach]

oh I missed that

[outer sky]

7% is roughly how much outlaw is getting nerfed by before the trickster nerfs

[severe helm]

Trickster nerfs are just reaaaaally big

[outer sky]

Rogue
Outlaw
Developers’ notes: Outlaw’s damage ended up being quite high after recent adjustments, particularly Between the Eyes with patch 12.0.5. We’re reducing that along with some reductions to Cloud Cover for both PvE and PvP.
Between the Eyes damage reduced by 15% in PvP combat.
All ability damage reduced by 5%.

[wanton breach]

i dont get why they needed to nerf the survivability aspects of cloud cover

on top of reducing it to 2 stacks

[outer sky]

Those were pve focused nerfs that spilled over to pvp

Ya know what the funniest part is

When the cloud cover change was announced

A shit ton of people were like

[wanton breach]

NOBODY COULD HAVE EVER PREDICTED THAT

okay

[outer sky]

"Yeah this is going to be busted af"

And some people even said they were afraid it would be so busted that the spec would get over-nerfed because of it

And now here we are

Maybe lets just not put obviously overtuned damage talents in the game

Then we dont have to nerf shit by 20%

[stoic spruce]

People claim they vibe code but they obv just vibe design

[wanton breach]

best they can do is minimal devourer nerf, sorry

[wanton breach]

design implies some form of intent, they are just vibin'

[stoic spruce]

Based tbh

"that sounds cool, ship it"

[outer sky]

I just want to know how literally all of us could see it coming weeks in advance that this new talent was going to be clearly overtuned but the actual game devs couldnt

Like

IMO

If anything ever needs to be nerfed by 20%

They should feel embarrassed

For letting that even go live

Needing such a nerf

Mistweaver monk had to be nerfed 4x

Heavily

And its still good af

So why did it even go live

Pre nerfs

????

[stoic spruce]

And then nerfing unholy just to rebuff it a couple days later

Into the same state it was in before

Unfortunately it was stacked with (Does not apply to PvP)

[outer sky]

Yeah this all just feels so arbitrary

[wanton breach]

because it kinda is

[stoic spruce]

They've been doing some rather proactive tuning so far this season. Just wish the tuning wasn't out of touch 💀

Like buffing Ret

Wtf was that about

[outer sky]

As if we don't all know

[dark moon]

They buffed ret again?

[stoic spruce]

Earlier this season

Just out of the blue

[outer sky]

"When in doubt buff ret" it seems is their mantra

[stoic spruce]

I just scrolled the ret channel in HoW

If you want to be in a sea of delusion that's a pretty solid place to be

[outer sky]

I can only imagine

The dps spec with a literal healer's CD kit stapled to them probably whining about rogues and mages

[stoic spruce]

Exactly that

And locks

[outer sky]

Ret is literally a healer that can one shot you and also can trinket for their actual healer every minute and have a 30 yard range despite being labeled melee

They have no business bitching about anything

[wanton breach]

I have yet to see a ret using sanctuary in shuffle at 1.6-1.8k

insane utility but the players are donkeys

[outer sky]

I have been saying this for years. The ONLY thing thats ever made ret seem balanced is the stupidity of the people who play it. They die without bubbling, only ever BoP or Freedom themselves (blizzard even made it so freedom auto procs to allies since the rets weren't ever using it on anyone else), they dont sanc or they sanc the wrong thing, and they NEVER sanc anyone besides their healer.

A ret that can actually utilize their whole kit and not make those stupid mistakes is a fucking menace

But anyone mentally capable of doing that just gets bored of ret too quickly and rerolls

So the spec gets bloated with utility and idiot proof mechanics because its extremely popular but has to be balanced around the fact that its uniquely played by total morons

[wanton breach]

yep

[dark moon]

Can we close the discord so they revert the outlaw nerfs?

Or would the shame be too much?

Like rets did it last expack

[wanton breach]

just gotta convince the shadows to do so

[outer sky]

Not enough people play rogue for blizzard to care

[wanton breach]

also true

someone will tell some of the devs at blizzard and they'll be like W H OMEGALUL ? what is a rouge?

[dark moon]

True

[dark moon]

Not the rouge

[mystic tundra]

I wish more rets would play the auto sac talent because they never manually use it..at least it would be something

[outer sky]

The CD of sac needs to be increased

The fact that ret sac is shorter than hpal sac is the weirdest thing

[dark moon]

It is?

Tf

I need to start creating forum topics to complain about rets

[outer sky]

Yeah sac is a 2m CD baseline and theres a talent on the paladin class tree that reduces it. And that talent is 30s for hpal and 60s for ret

[dark moon]

What on earth

This is ridiculous

It needs to be 2 or 3 for ret

[outer sky]

The saving grace is that sac is normally a 30% damage reduction for the target but for ret its nerfed to 20% in pvp

But still

[stoic spruce]

Feels irrelevant really

[dark moon]

Wog and loh should be self-cast

Sac should be 3 min cd or 2 for ret

Fuck is this support class shit

[outer sky]

Yeah it really does lol

Actually if anything it feels worse

Because when the ret sacs he takes less damage than an hpal which makes swaps on him less lethal

[outer sky]

LoH just needs to be removed from pvp

[stoic spruce]

Or damp applies twice

[outer sky]

Or it transfers all the hp the ret has to their target

Instead of just healing them for that amount with no penalty

[stoic spruce]

Did you know it's not effected by damp at all?

[outer sky]

Yes. Its also not affected by MS effects

And it gives its target a massive armor buff too

Because why the fuck not

[stoic spruce]

Does hpal get that?

[outer sky]

Yeah its on the class tree

Its the same talent

That causes it to ignore damp and MS

[stoic spruce]

Oughtta put that in hpal tree

Great place to start

[outer sky]

Like, it cant JUST ignore damp and MS

It has to also be a 30% armor buff lmao

I swear sometimes reading paladin talents its like the devs ran out of ideas for what to give them after already giving them so much, so they just start adding shit like this

"Uhhh....can paladins buff people's armor?"

"I dont think so?"

"Ok fuck it we'll go with that. Bake an armor buff into Lay on Hands"

[dark moon]

That too, yes

[outer sky]

Im getting pissed off just reading this

[dark moon]

It's weird having spells thwt ignore damp effects

Like why is there a damp mechanic in the first place

Kek

[stoic spruce]

Because it's a bandaid solution from WoD

[outer sky]

For plebs like us. Not for the pink god class though. Theyre above the law

[outer sky]

Regardless of whether or not its a good mechanic or the best mechanic to achieve what theyre trying to achieve, it should still apply to everyone. Not everyone except paladins.

[stoic spruce]

If there were ever an in person Q&A j could participate in, I'd ask about Ret

[outer sky]

And what would you ask

[dark moon]

That's a good joke

[stoic spruce]

What the process is that enabled them to keep adding things to Ret

[dark moon]

Even if there's QA they just ignore it

[stoic spruce]

Over hpal or prot

That's why I said in person

[stoic spruce]

If you ask why favoritism they'll say they don't pick favorites

[outer sky]

Hpal had Blessed Hands removed which was a phenomenal change.

Its actually amazing how much more tolerable hpal became with just that one talent being removed

[stoic spruce]

I honestly wouldn't care if hpal had rets kit because then you could justify it saying that it's because it's a healer.

Besides, kick hpal win game

[outer sky]

Exactly

Ret paladin means you have to blow through 2 sets of healer CDs

The actual healers

And the ret who has Hpals full kit

Its just too much for a dps to have

[stoic spruce]

And then some yeah

[outer sky]

Yeah plus sanc and shorter CD sac

[stoic spruce]

If there were some sort of tax they'd be doing negative damage for sure lmao

[outer sky]

Their damage isn't even low

They hurt lmao

[stoic spruce]

Exactly 💀

All that on top of unhealable dmg

[outer sky]

Pallys also have access to an AoE CC that doesnt DR with anything and cant even be trinketed

[stoic spruce]

One time I used Lichborne into Ret and I've never learned a lesson in WoW so fast

Because you know it turns you undead

[outer sky]

Yeah

[stoic spruce]

And I forgot

[outer sky]

Wake of Ashes

[stoic spruce]

And I got hit for double and a half of my hp bar

[outer sky]

That fucks hunter pets too

Like those undead raptors they like to run

Just get stunned by wake

Its extremely troll

[stoic spruce]

Good times

[dark moon]

But wake of ashes is fine

Outlaw rogue is the real outlier

Kek to the delusional company L

[stoic spruce]

Obv

Wish they'd go private again

[dark moon]

Too late for that innit

[outer sky]

Nah they could do it

[dark moon]

Lets crowfund Bobby's yacht and get him back

[outer sky]

Dell did it

But I doubt they will

[dark moon]

We might get the raunchy ingame portraits back too

[stoic spruce]

Dell did a lot better after going private too

[stoic spruce]

Remember when women played and not just men and bowls of fruit?

[dark moon]

Yeah

But it's 75 quid decor items here on out

[stoic spruce]

I miss my female comrades

[stoic spruce]

Hey

Never say never

Greatest comeback in gaming history

[dark moon]

I'm not a believer

[outer sky]

If I could ask blizzard anything it would be why they think a dps spec should have every external CD its own class' healing spec has

[dark moon]

I had hope for microblizzard, but not anymore

Its just a shop decor profit machine

[stoic spruce]

That's on you, they ruined everything they touched

[dark moon]

And recolors. RECOLORS

[dark moon]

True

[stoic spruce]

I think that's just blizzards doing

MSoft have been pretty hands off

[outer sky]

The housing thing will run out of steam soon enough. Theyre milking it so hard because they know it wont last forever

[stoic spruce]

Waiting for undead house

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/479905899595431956/1082405184531087421/chillcat.gif

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-down-press-button-shut-it-down-gif-17603164

[grave basin]

Yea but if you lichbourne you cant get sapped in the opener

Bigbrain.gif

[grave basin]

Cause according to ret mains they NEED it and the player base hates rets unjustifiably

[stoic spruce]

Wish it broke sap

[grave basin]

Lichbourne mount and get in combat

[stoic spruce]

You're saying

That

DK defenses aren't defensives but merely CC immunity?

Crazy how that happens when you nerf everything

[silent linden]

How do you guys make money just from pvp?
Without paying for token, how to get some constant gold to pay for repairs, enchants, etc?

[outer sky]

Selling boosts

[jolly sierra]

i farm ores and herbs between Qs

in WM on cuz fkn bots are killable

[silent linden]

Thanks, that might be the answer

[silent linden]

I’m barely able to boost myself 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

After all I’ve done (I literally just shit post )

[final pewter]

guys im looking through armories of players from the ladder and sometimes people have embelishment on 1 piece of gear, is the armory bugged or is there a reason to have only 1? :x

[stoic spruce]

That's not true, we argue about stupid shit

[gleaming sentinel]

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

[gleaming sentinel]

My list:
1: pk
2: pk
3: pk
4: pk
5: @gusty hedge

[stoic spruce]

6: @stoic spruce

[grave basin]

how do i attain this power

[proven kayak]

Is there a blitz bg add on for enemy team targeting like it was rbg enemies ?

[lone jasper]

Dont use focus 😂

[lone jasper]

Its going to get worse and worse as long as she is at Blizzard

[grave basin]

what does she do

that affects me

[lone jasper]

She is decision maker from 2020 😂

[dark moon]

Wasn't she only for classic tho?

Can someone ban this guy or

Thanks

[lone jasper]

No

As far as I know, Chris Metzen, who created wow story, joked about that woman and said he regrets calling it warcraft because the word “war” scares people

[gleaming sentinel]

think some people just have that or dont lol

[grave basin]

dude got r1 3s with only focus kick

cracked at the video game

[gleaming sentinel]

he just like me fr

Himothy

[stoic spruce]

Dudes playing with his weener

[grave basin]

holy

[gleaming sentinel]

almost 1k rated, new dev main who dis

[grave basin]

hows star build

whats your biggest star so far

[gleaming sentinel]

its fun, i have no idea

[topaz musk]

hey, im new to wow and rogue pvp.
is there any starter-guide for freshers?

like: i dont know s***.
do I have to buy gladiator-gear on the AH?

whats the best way to proceed, not even knowing where the gear-sellers are? :x

[long shore]

Hey guys is death stalker Sub a thing or everyone is trickster?

[wintry nexus]

https://youtu.be/R8czDtOhSNk?si=PBEQDG-DMwWt-RTH

[topaz musk]

ty boss

[wintry nexus]

Should explain most of it I think

[proven kayak]

servers favourite guy on my bg

[spring bough]

[gleaming sentinel]

playing surrender to the void and the healers just cant last that long so im losing now

rofl

[spring bough]

Damn it’ll get better lol

I was doing that with star build last night and it claps people

Devourer has the most OP 30 yard range interrupt too lol

Surprised they left it at a 15s cooldown

[stoic spruce]

I'm surprised they left you at the fire station

I'm sorry

Sleep deprived and caffeinated

[gleaming sentinel]

40% mastry tho

lo

[spring bough]

Crazy lol

[stoic spruce]

As a baby

[spring bough]

Go to bed popo

[stoic spruce]

Okie dokie

@gusty hedge night night

[grave basin]

show mog

[stoic spruce]

Eesh

[grave basin]

respect the only male night elf in NA atm

[spring bough]

Void elf >>

[gleaming sentinel]

male night elf enjoyer

we have enough female NE with rogue t3 in the world

[grave basin]

i like how even while leveling im COMPLETELY immortal

like it's impossible to die with this talented

30% heal over and over and it gives resources

[gleaming sentinel]

ngl i could never main this spec

the ramp up just takes forever

[grave basin]

play vs and just all insta dam

also look like a schizo backflipping constantly

[dark moon]

Im alting dev and its boring

Strong, but boring

They need to rework it

[gleaming sentinel]

yea its not my fav tbh, but i'll fuck around somee more

[dark moon]

The 5 sec penalty for failed collapsing star is utter garbanzo

[gleaming sentinel]

yea feels so bad

[dark moon]

And makes no sense

[potent pivot]

don't play star

i q'd the no star build for one day and it felt infinitely more fun

[grave basin]

^ this VS is so fun

star build works for like blitz and shit where you can sit max range

or when youre with a high prio target on your team like warlockwhere you can free cast all game

[potent pivot]

just spamming hunt/ray/jumping around

[gleaming sentinel]

nah i am paying big booms idc

and getting mad and logging out when i get micro'd

[potent pivot]

i think the no star build is just better rn

[gleaming sentinel]

the hunt build?

[potent pivot]

ya

after reset it will be like sliiiightly worse than star build

[proven kayak]

If you’ve played the most fun class as main anything else is boring

[potent pivot]

but comparing it with uptime prolly the same

[spring bough]

Why go that tho. 1 min cooldown 30% or 30 seconds cooldown 24% and 2 charges

[gleaming sentinel]

i'll prb just practice sub a lot more

[grave basin]

it resets on every small piss mob you kill

[gleaming sentinel]

and work on an assa set

[grave basin]

you get 100 charges

[spring bough]

Didn’t realize u were talking bout leveling

[proven kayak]

By far the most fun spec next to survival

[spring bough]

It’s fun. Star build feels good with surrender to the void tho

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw > but

[grave basin]

watching whaaz rn and he's complaining the dev is 5 - 0ing the lobby

[proven kayak]

I can see that but I never liked outlaw

[grave basin]

current sv is not fun at all

[grave basin]

df/tww sv was goated

[proven kayak]

Yeah 😭

[gleaming sentinel]

fatebound bgb this week ez

[grave basin]

😭

i dont wanna assa mang

[proven kayak]

Idk rogue is shitfest in low rates

After a point it’s easy to win

A dh imprisoned my full bleed target with dm kb up 🙂

[grave basin]

chat is so mad LMAO

[potent pivot]

i mean its kinda true

ngl

[proven kayak]

Circle jerking final boss

[potent pivot]

did u see what they were doing lmao

[grave basin]

yea dev just went on random targets whole game

still wins anyway

[potent pivot]

ya

[grave basin]

cause unkillable and no one can stop him

cant punish the batman

[gleaming sentinel]

just like me fr

[grave basin]

i believe king

[topaz musk]

dh > rogue? Oo

[spring bough]

It doesn’t matter who u go as Devourer

You can swap any second

Send 3 globals and kill

[potent pivot]

thats not the point

[spring bough]

Eradicate AOEs. Star AOEs

Just smacking dmg

[potent pivot]

he was like always targeting the person that whaazz wasn't targeting kek

[grave basin]

he was vs but yea it's still 3globals

[proven kayak]

Whaazz really tries to make outlaw not get nerfed

[gleaming sentinel]

not a chance, playing dh after rogue feels liek a different game. Rogue is way better and its cope to say otherwise

it can just meme in shuffle because you get to damp and you can just wombo someone

[topaz musk]

cool, ty for your feedback.

[gleaming sentinel]

rogue cieling just so high

[proven kayak]

Nothing is more fun than sub for me

[potent pivot]

wha

[topaz musk]

i just hit 90 and dont even know where the gear-seller for pvp is. i almost leveled a DH rn xD

[dark moon]

Dh is better just cause number tuning, else its shit

[molten hedge]

What is DH gonna be like tomorrow? Is the nerf enough to make them not fuckin disgusting? Or will game be playable

[potent pivot]

if ur new don't pay attention to meta just play the game to have fun

[molten hedge]

Shuffle at least. It’s easier to deal with in 3s for sure

[potent pivot]

u will not have fun trying to meta slave

[topaz musk]

maingoal: 1800 / 2k!

[potent pivot]

they'll still be good

[spring bough]

They still gonna be ahead of everyone on dmg pretty much lol

[molten hedge]

That’s fine! But will it be broken still

[gleaming sentinel]

can do that with any spec in the game tbh, enjoy the journey

[grave basin]

this is literally everybroken spec except maybe ret

[spring bough]

10% ahead of most and gets a 5% nerf 😭

[topaz musk]

it will be super hard, but thx ^^

[potent pivot]

no1 can answer this mang

its barely getting nerfed

[molten hedge]

No worries I was just curious

I thought it was a sizeable nerf my b

[gleaming sentinel]

if my dumbass can do it, so can you

[potent pivot]

naw its small

[molten hedge]

Bet

[grave basin]

now youll be overkilled by 5billion instead of 10 billion

[topaz musk]

it there actually a website where are only working addons are posted? before 10 years I had "gladiatorlossa", this shit helped me a ton. is that thing known?

(silence, im 40 and playing with GSE xD)

like: 50% of addons aint working anymore

[potent pivot]

you can do this on the worst spec in the game any time dw

playing with GSE

nvm

[topaz musk]

i did 2k with gse + dh: thats fine!

[gusty hedge]

[gleaming sentinel]

so glimsp and armor of couls for hunt dh i suppose

[grave basin]

dont you play glimpse no matter what

[potent pivot]

can't be real life rn

[gleaming sentinel]

surrender to madness and inevitable end memes bro

[grave basin]

beckon and glimpse probably hard locked

[topaz musk]

whats so bad on GSE? i mean yes, the important keys have an extra bind; but for pure dmg rotation? all G with GSE o7

[gleaming sentinel]

surrender to the void *

[spring bough]

Glimpse not so much for annihilator

[spring bough]

@potent pivot I know this guy didn’t just link murlok 🤦‍♂️

[grave basin]

i just read surrender

no wonder youre talking about ramp

[potent pivot]

i know he didn't !!!!

[topaz musk]

i dont get you guys at all xD

[grave basin]

50 additional souls??

thats gonna take 10 years

[spring bough]

It’s not bad bro

It comes quick

[potent pivot]

its just so bad compared to playing the game proper

[spring bough]

Meta never runs out with that talent it’s actually sickening

[grave basin]

vs with 35 souls meta

juicy

[topaz musk]

so what would you do if we two would stand before the dmg-puppet and we'd do similar dmg? xD

[spring bough]

Runs out in like 20 seconds or less lmao

Surrender with meta lasts 60+ seconds

[grave basin]

you only need like 3 globals to get all your void surges off

and it either kills or you get big defensives

[potent pivot]

doing damage to a dummy doesn't matter. doing damage to players matters.

when you stand at a dummy there's nothing else going on

[topaz musk]

ye I know. but in pvp below 1800 i'd say: doesnt matter 😛

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-got-em-gotcha-say-no-more-car-smirk-gif-9078554153387260973

[grave basin]

getting to 1800 is deadass just do as much damage as you can

[potent pivot]

even at 1000 i'd say its better to not use one button/GSE

[topaz musk]

https://tenor.com/view/grin-evil-evil-smile-smile-gif-15036311

[grave basin]

youd be suprised how many people below 1800 cant do a proper damage rotation

and they do zero pressure

[potent pivot]

i discourage the use of such fubar to the ends of the earth regardless

[topaz musk]

where do you ppl get your addons from?

[grave basin]

yea ofc who uses one button

[potent pivot]

pins

[grave basin]

other than BM mains

[gleaming sentinel]

yea idk i dont like the hunt

[spring bough]

[topaz musk]

links pls?

[potent pivot]

no

check the pins

[grave basin]

bro press pins

[gusty hedge]

no way

[topaz musk]

i use 5 with GSE

AJJJ

AHH okay. sorry sorry

[grave basin]

is it bad if i dont know what gse even is

[potent pivot]

gnome sequencer macros

...

[grave basin]

actual or trolling

[topaz musk]

actual

i play with it

[proven kayak]

?

[spring bough]

It’s one button does ur whole rotation

[grave basin]

name of the addon has gnome in it?

popo still hasnt slept btw

[spring bough]

If I remember right u can literally hold the button down and it’ll go thru any rotation u have set

[stoic spruce]

How do I spell surprise

Nvm I got it

[topaz musk]

no no, u have to smack it

[spring bough]

I remember there being a workaround

[grave basin]

whats the difference between gnome whateverthefuck and actual in game one button

[spring bough]

And u just held one button down and smoked it lol

[topaz musk]

25% GCD

[potent pivot]

it doesn't have the GCD tax

but its still dog

[gusty hedge]

1 button dev dh

[grave basin]

dev is 900 iq spec

[stoic spruce]

Get So Excited

[topaz musk]

:3

[stoic spruce]

Because you learn to play

Gse

[grave basin]

maybe that's what some of these 270 ilvl fury warrior doing 50k overall in my keys have been using

actual dogs lol

[topaz musk]

im gonna go farm some honor gear, with gse! 😄

[stoic spruce]

Cat

[topaz musk]

cheers folks

[spring bough]

Trippy dreams

[stoic spruce]

I made a girl at work feel sad and now I can't sleep

She was so soft spoken and fidgeting with her fingers and stuff

[topaz musk]

u italian?

[stoic spruce]

But she was in the WRONG

No, it's part of my job of keeping employees safe

[topaz musk]

gj then

[stoic spruce]

Ty

Poor thing

Oh well

[grave basin]

why would you even need gse with sub rogue

[stoic spruce]

She won't get run over by a forklift now

[grave basin]

it's actual literal 2 button spec

[topaz musk]

im 40

[grave basin]

is that old or something

[topaz musk]

ye

when u have not soooo much time, you need to get efficient; im doing this with gse 😄

[grave basin]

damn im 34, im gonna be geriatric soon

[topaz musk]

wait wait, when the milestone 35 hits.

[gusty hedge]

||I'll never lose sleep over no b-, way too much pride. Backoutsideboyz-Drake||

[grave basin]

writting my will rn

[topaz musk]

u still have family and loved ones? im jealous.

[spring bough]

Bro did u see this truck in NJ driving on the highway got clipped by a plane landing at Newark 😂

The damn wheel hit the truck and almost smoked the dude

[stoic spruce]

Lmaoo no I havent

I gotta see that

[grave basin]

@stoic spruce i like how ooc fury barely drains and your souls dont deplete

imagine if... AR..... worked .... like that

[stoic spruce]

I was thinking that last night actually

[grave basin]

no you werent

[stoic spruce]

I was

But then I was like

That's stupid

Because

Idr but I had a really good reason

I better sleep on it

Platupus

[molten hedge]

I had a small plane land on the hwy in front of me once lmfao

[stoic spruce]

Platypus

There we go now I'll remember

[spring bough]

It hit this dudes truck from the side he didn’t even see it coming 😭

[molten hedge]

Damn bro

What a morning for that guy

“Babe I got sideswiped this morning”
“Omg what was the driver doing?!”
“It was a fucking pilot I got hit by a plane”

[gleaming sentinel]

still in half blues btw

[spring bough]

Devourer taking over

[grave basin]

im still 83...

i got all 9 delve quests waiting though

[lime oar]

sounds like typical NJ activities

[topaz musk]

where's the portal to the pvp zone in midnight? im in silvermoon and SO LOST ffs

[grave basin]

pvp zone?

[potent pivot]

open the map bruh

[grave basin]

there's a """""""""""""""""pvp"""""""""""""""""" zone in slayers rise

or youre asking about where the vendors are

[spring bough]

Trickz we need answers

[potent pivot]

all that shit is on the map

[grave basin]

do NOT link murlok.io

[potent pivot]

portals, vendors, etc

[topaz musk]

no no, venruki said there's a world-pvp-zone at voidzone
but i dont think i can fly there, so there has to be a portal or such

need honor!

[grave basin]

have you done the campaign sir

[topaz musk]

yes, but i played it like a zombie - nothing to remember

[spring bough]

Have u unlocked the void storm thru the campaign yet

[topaz musk]

yes I have

[grave basin]

you can ask the gaurds btw

where the portals are

[potent pivot]

you don't even need to go to that zone

for honor

[topaz musk]

will do, ty

@potent pivot rly?

soooo.... I'd want to dooo... what?

[potent pivot]

just farm crates

[grave basin]

where my cursor is at

bottom left

ask the gaurds for directions next time that's what theyre there for

[topaz musk]

@potent pivot on it!

[grave basin]

oh boi

[topaz musk]

yes, thats how im f*****

[topaz musk]

i dont even like the game anymore, im just doing it to play with my nephew cries

[grave basin]

join these groups in pvp tab -> custom

[topaz musk]

thanks a hunch

[grave basin]

fly around with the raid and collect the crates that land

it contains honor and conquest

[topaz musk]

sounds great, thx

[molten hedge]

Gj unc

[gleaming sentinel]

think i wanna try on use trinket

[spring bough]

How much more u wanna juice them stars 😭

[grave basin]

icant imagine how strong dev will be with more secondaries

[stoic spruce]

Awwww

[grave basin]

GO AND SLEEP

[gleaming sentinel]

i went full engi mastery gear

[stoic spruce]

What a good uncle

[grave basin]

MR PO

[stoic spruce]

RAHHHHH

Okay I sleep

[molten hedge]

The 5% stam will save me

[gleaming sentinel]

me and popo gonna run outlaw dev

[grave basin]

yea imagine that with also 30% haste

[stoic spruce]

I'm down

[grave basin]

just put them for public orders..

[potent pivot]

can't use the server for trade/lfg

[iron viper]

cant on recraft

my bad no probs

[potent pivot]

gotta try opposite faction trade chat

if no1 on your faction/realm picks it up

[iron viper]

will do cheers

[topaz musk]

bro... "COME HARANDAR... COME VOID"

i got dissed and kicked for not finding the portals in silvermoon xD

[gusty hedge]

[topaz musk]

afk crying in old tears

[molten hedge]

Hahahahha

That is hilarious

[potent pivot]

if you can't fly around to each zone idk what to tell you

[molten hedge]

Hahahaah

[potent pivot]

someone here literally showed you where the portals are

[spring bough]

Damn community figures 🤦‍♂️

[topaz musk]

well, I found harandar, but not the other one

[molten hedge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bfXwgs5tzmY

[potent pivot]

the same pic

[topaz musk]

all G; have a gr8 week. also: ty for infos and pins

[potent pivot]

that someone tagged u in

earlier

[topaz musk]

i know, i thought he meant the vendors

...

[spring bough]

Need a better circle 👓

[potent pivot]

lead a horse to water n all that ...

[topaz musk]

yo, you're overranting it.

[grave basin]

brozza it says at the top portal to voidstorm

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[dark moon]

Have my like, sir

[potent pivot]

nice

tullaRange and tullaCTC are kinda like what omnicd/cc were for bars before midnight

[grave basin]

@potent pivot sv is so shit

bicmex is playing fury warrior

[lone jasper]

Everyone is fury next patch 😂

[potent pivot]

i thought surv was fine

with the %agi talent added

[grave basin]

no lol it's still shit

[potent pivot]

Propaganda

Hunter

Cartel

Propaganda

[grave basin]

yea him and kasu are in on it

[potent pivot]

Wait

[stoic spruce]

CARETEL

[potent pivot]

I’ve got it

The Crybaby Cartel

[stoic spruce]

🔥

[grave basin]

this is mostly arms mains when smexxin forgets to buff them to A++++ minimum every expansion since tbc

[potent pivot]

I should’ve spammed 90 boosts before the hotfix

To just have every melee again

Oh wait 80-90s are back apparently

[crimson widget]

bg blitz really feels like "whoever focuses healers more wins"

on some maps

[potent pivot]

@outer sky

[lime oar]

@cobalt pewter

cowards

[gusty hedge]

[lime oar]

[potent pivot]

anyone that plays gnome

is a coward !

[cobalt pewter]

BASED

[dark moon]

Woah why

[cobalt pewter]

finally warrior getting buffed for once

[dark moon]

Aren't gnomes cool

[potent pivot]

gnomes are fugly little cowards ngl

orc or troll if ur a real man

[cobalt pewter]

Orc > all

[lime oar]

i can’t talk my warrior is a dragon

[dark moon]

Goddamn, I'm playing an elf

Oh wait

[grave basin]

except feral apparantly

[potent pivot]

wdym

[grave basin]

not listening to whaaz atm?

[potent pivot]

VVaazz?

ya

[grave basin]

lol

[spring bough]

When is next tuning so we can watch the downfall just like outlaw got

[grave basin]

this was the last tuning

till .07

[spring bough]

Aent no way

[molten hedge]

Whaazz getting rinsed all morning

[dusty cobalt]

I haven't PVPed in forever on retail. Are rated BGs still a thing? Or is endgame PVP exclusively warmode and arena, with normal BGs as an option? Still leveling but I was curious.

[cobalt pewter]

Tomorrow warriors will ascend

[spring bough]

Hurry up blizz time to revert outlaw nerfs

[potent pivot]

solo q blitz is rated bg now

actual RBGs are quite dead

[spring bough]

Blitz >>>>>

[gleaming sentinel]

That’s where my outlaw gonna play now :~(

[dusty cobalt]

Another noob question then, what is blitz?

just faster objective BGs?

[potent pivot]

its rated BGs

but its solo/duo q only

[dusty cobalt]

Ahh I see

thanks :) Gonna try if I enjoy the outlaw life in them then

[spring bough]

8v8 fast paced

[dusty cobalt]

Thanks Van cleef

[spring bough]

Solo shuffle outlaw dreams die on Tuesday

[dusty cobalt]

Oh is a patch coming to nerf us or sth? lol

[potent pivot]

ya

[spring bough]

Outlaw getting hit with the nerf stick big time

[outer sky]

Theyre back???

[potent pivot]

ya new method

3-3.5hr afk

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s ok, I am 2130, can sit some juicy inflation til way later and farm some bgb. We’re chillin

[spring bough]

New method to be patched next week 😭

[spring bough]

Till .07 buffs 🔥

[gleaming sentinel]

Devourer is kinda lame ngl but it’s a fun little alt

lol

[molten sentinel]

hello folks!
i need an explaination. i have 1700 rbg rating - im in a 2,3k lobby and im getting a win. im getting +30 rating. (???)

[dark kernel]

30 is the max CR you can get from a win

mMR moves differently and faster

[molten sentinel]

ahh thanks. but it still feels terrible 😄 im getting into 2,4k ratings now going higher and higher and i cant catch up the rating. the only thing i see is that games getting harder and the que time goes to nearly 30min-1hour lol

[potent pivot]

after you get out of placement games its capped ya

[molten sentinel]

damn

[potent pivot]

and the higher mmr you get the more you have to q during prime time

if u q this early in the day the q will be long

[molten sentinel]

im in EU 🙂

[potent pivot]

still pretty early

if its anything like NA qs usually pick up around 8pm-2am or so

[long shore]

When you hit 1600, do you get a token to buy a set piece from the vendor?

Or it's just an extra catalyst charge?

[molten sentinel]

extra charge

[long shore]

Thanks sir

[molten hedge]

Good news everyone Whaazz isn’t vaping anymore

[gusty hedge]

Professor Putricide enters the chat**

[potent pivot]

i give it 2 days

https://klipy.com/gifs/lapiscel-vape--k01KQSWFZWTA8MBZN5NKPRBY4V2

[molten hedge]

It’s funny how many times he’s quit and just listening to the mental gymnastics he goes thru about justifying not quitting lmaooo

“It’s so easy to quit”

[potent pivot]

i think most of it is for the meme

[dark moon]

i respect whaazz as a player, but when it comes to vapes he's like a little worm 😄

weakminded af when it comes to vaping

also gym

he hits the gymnasium for the 1st time every other week 😄

maybe he'll quit vaping and start regular workouts once he retires from competition

cause he doesnt tryhard that much in recent tourneys

[lone jasper]

leaving is best feeling

assa is fun

[molten hedge]

Bicmex on gnome warrior 💀

[spring bough]

Games dead

When the guy that plays survival thru the worst of the worst switches specs……. Doomed?

[dark moon]

looks like it 😄

[potent pivot]

He should’ve just played outlaw tbh

They’ve already got him wielding daggers

Smh my head

[spring bough]

Supa’s new PvP tier list

Nice to see sub still S+ 😂

[potent pivot]

He’s dumber than I thought

Frost mage and outlaw in A+?

And somehow sub is S+?

He’s full on lost his brain cells idk

Havoc and unholy below tanks

[dark moon]

whaazz is calling the dev dh - batman

hahahaha

btw he quit vaping today

[spring bough]

That’s a good nickname

[molten hedge]

That shit sent me

If youve played feral yk

[grave basin]

ww isnt S+

it's high A at best rn after all the nerfs

[potent pivot]

i mean that list is all kinds of fucked up

[grave basin]

feral and frost dk on the same tier is a joke too

[potent pivot]

ww is beyond s+ tho it's like Ω tier

[grave basin]

[dark moon]

i thought about playing feral, but i just watched whaazz and decided that if he cannot make it work, the elite druid that i am wont make it work either 😄

[molten hedge]

I think he’s just rusty

And it’s not the best shuffle spec

[grave basin]

feral is one of those specs you cant really alt

[dark kernel]

Ferals good it's just still not simplified as much as rogue specs

[grave basin]

you gotta just main it and play it all the way

[dark kernel]

It's probably the hardest spec left in the game.

[molten hedge]

And he quit vaping so he’s getting massagemaxxed

[dark kernel]

I can only imagine high difficulty arena games while going through Nicotine wothdrawal

I would be so urstr

[grave basin]

ive been hearing the starting gym thing for ages

[potent pivot]

idk i think if u main rogue feral is a fine alt

[gleaming sentinel]

How is it not?

[molten hedge]

Sub just unplayable into mage rn

If u could fucking stun them

[spring bough]

Figured it would get knocked a peg w nerfs tomorrow

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk it’s got such an insane kit

[potent pivot]

gotta be joking right

even before the nerfs coming tomorrow it isn't

[spring bough]

Working hard to avoid more sub nerfs I see 👀

[rough rock]

You don’t play feral, you basically imagine your playing feral while sitting in bear form the entire time

Feel like every AWC match every feral was there to do nothing but troll

[potent pivot]

stop pinging me being stupid

[rough rock]

My arcane mage will never see the light ever again

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot
@potent pivot
@potent pivot

[fathom crag]

i dont believe anyone saying sub is S

Outlaw S+ for sure atm but id say sub is like A-

[spring bough]

I wonder when outlaws time to shine will be again

Maybe we will get longer than 2 weeks next time

[fathom crag]

maybe outlaw is still good and you play fatebound

[proven kayak]

A lot ragebait YouTube content creators for sure

[rough rock]

I’m gonna miss having real burst tho :/

[fathom crag]

outlaw so good against mages cus of mobility

you cant attack a mage on sub or assa

maybe assa can but on sub feels impossible to reach a mage cus u only do damage in stuns & obv 2 normal blinks

[rough rock]

I mean we only have one extra way to close the gap

I’d still rather have a choice between step and hook

[proven kayak]

You have to commit double step

[fathom crag]

i remember when u had step + hook

crazy

[rough rock]

Aren’t blink and step almost the same CD number tho?

Considering on fire I run shimmer anyways

[fathom crag]

no but what i mean is that you cannot reach a mage without shadowstep and if u press shadowstep he will just blink

[rough rock]

Ah

[fathom crag]

then alter back + free charge of blink

a good mage ull never reach him

thats why in most mirrors ppl kill the rogue in stuns

[rough rock]

Besides the other nerfs to outlaw I’m really sad about lethality not gonna be fun anymore :(

Pistol shit crits was super fun

But back to double vanish I guess

[fathom crag]

i already played 2x vanish tbh

but lethality was sm pump

[rough rock]

I was playing it for the longest but lethality was going insane with trickster

[fathom crag]

yea u did the biggest dmg

i just wish they would make shot in the dark rogue tree

game would be so much fun

[rough rock]

Wait does the 15% nerf to bte mean we will be forced to play SC?

[fathom crag]

its not even THAT fun to hit like a truck and do nothing else but damage

[rough rock]

Or the opposite

[potent pivot]

i feel like we've all been saying this since beta and i don't think they ever will

[fathom crag]

like im 100% trading damage to get more ccs

[potent pivot]

it isn't needed in dungeons

[fathom crag]

id play warrior if i wanted that playstyle

but like i said mby outlaw was so broken that we just go fatebound and were still ok/good

excited to see NA streamers testing b4 EU

[potent pivot]

idk man

back to tickle status

[fathom crag]

but then yeah if we do no damage no point to play that spec cus it offers nothing else

[potent pivot]

the bte nerf especially is like

why even touch that on top of the aura nerf

its crazy to me

i think they may have fixed imp bte this reset

but its only adding .5 crit dmg

[severe helm]

cuz they dont know how the game works lol

[potent pivot]

idk man

feels like all melee are about to just be ass except warr

[fathom crag]

i can see WMD being best comp in game

where are all the WWs tho

they were everywhere i dont see a single one now

did they all rerolled outlaw or what

[potent pivot]

ya

every1 is meta slaving hard these days

[molten hedge]

I like your optimism no cap

[potent pivot]

especially on EU i'm sure

[fathom crag]

i lowkey miss when u had to pve for pvp

u couldnt reroll like that instantly to w/e is broken

[molten hedge]

I mean u can farm back a hook in 3 finishers

Outlaw has 10x the mobility of sub and assa

[fathom crag]

yea that might be the reason we stay viable

cus its mage every game

and outlaw just hunt the mage

[molten hedge]

Yeah

What about devourer though? I don’t find it that hard to counter in 3s bc we comm stops

It’s shuffle where it’s ridiculous

[fathom crag]

ye i think if u just have a coordinated team they just flop in a stun

im not worried about dh

they hit hard but they die easy too

[molten hedge]

Yeah. Maybe there’s hope for outlaw who knows

If meta changed to full casters it could be good warrior leaps in

[potent pivot]

shuff is shuff

lots of things feel way better than they are in 3s, in shuff

assa, dh, etc

@fathom crag did u see what ivan posted

of assa rmp

oh maybe it was only DMed

sec

[fathom crag]

whaazz just said tho that his team wargamed the best RMDs and WMD always won

and they have like 0 games 0 practice on it

and before buff as well

[fathom crag]

yea i saw

i do think assa prob best of all 3 after reset

[spring bough]

If only sin still had AoE silence 😭

[fathom crag]

yea that was so fun

dont rly like this new assa

[frail ivy]

do we get more cata charges on wednesday? only got 2 left for my pvp set after playing pve xD

[potent pivot]

no

the following week

[frail ivy]

fuck

[potent pivot]

you don't need cata charges

if u have pve tier

just add pvp ilvl to it

[frail ivy]

ahh no way, didnt even know that was a thing. i bought conq helm and shoulder to replace my myth track pve tier set lol

also in a bg, what is my job in a team fight? flank their back line/ cc healers?

[fathom crag]

This new lvling tech is broken

[spring bough]

It’ll be patched in a week for a new one to pop up and the cycle continues

[potent pivot]

is that the new boost method that just came out?

[potent pivot]

[proven kayak]

I need to know the tech