pvp

[potent pivot]

...

when they nerf the base spec, they nerf both hero tree variations of the spec

[gleaming sentinel]

The 5% aura and 15% bte nerf

[strange trellis]

Ah okay

[potent pivot]

zero people have played fatebound since the trickster changes

base spec didn't really need nerfs

[spring bough]

might level a fury

[strange trellis]

Thought you were implying direct nerfs when you brought it up

[outer sky]

My warlock friend is having a rough afternoon

[woven gale]

Is there an evasion bug? I just had a rogue ignoring evasion entirely while hitting me in the face

[potent pivot]

nope

[woven gale]

I got no clue why this rogue was ignoring evasion 24-7 then

Just straight up wasn't even flanking me

Just stabbing me in the face

[severe helm]

doesnt sub shadow strike go through evasion?

cuz its a "stealth" spell

or is that only cheap shot/sap/etc

[woven gale]

That would solve it since it was Sub

[lavish flint]

Ok guys i have been going through different stages of grief with the outlaw nerfs, rn trying out sub w haste

[warm scarab]

i was going to recraft my sub gear to try out outlaw but maybe ill hold off a week and see where outlaw lands

[severe helm]

I wouldnt bother

its gona feel similar to how it did at the start of the season

on tuesday

[molten hedge]

u lost ur identity man

[harsh kiln]

you can't dodge if you got the trickster debuff either. unseen blade or w/e it's called.

great for stunning DH on blur if you're into that kind of thing

[woven gale]

I need a break from BGs on my rogue lmao, im getting those matches back to back where people just don't know what the objective is

[severe helm]

That's not a thing

The anti parry doesn't work in pvp

Dh blur no longer gives dodge

Just Dr

[strange stag]

crimson tempest is must have as assa in 3s/2s ?

[severe helm]

You can't hit through retal or fist of fury either

Cheap shot can go through all though

Cuz stealth abilities can't be dodged/parried

[rough rock]

Bro this has been me this week

Think I’m like 2-10

Shits pissing me off I went to fire mage just to feel something 😭

[potent pivot]

Not a “must” for 2s but it’s good in both yea

Other options aren’t better basically

You only press it if you can cleave your bleeds with it, so you don’t press it super often but still worth

[rough rock]

I feel like I’ve def slammed a warrior during his parry shit with trickster rebuff

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

Can’t say for sure with monk tho

Oh dodge

lol my b

[harsh kiln]

Ah right, though it was because of trickster. My bad

[potent pivot]

If only things actually worked the same in pve as pvp

[harsh kiln]

If only

[potent pivot]

Or in pvp as pve

[severe helm]

Neither lol

[rough rock]

That’s cap you can slam a warrior through his parry ability

[molten hedge]

👀

[harsh kiln]

Thats what i thought aswell. But now im unsure, and not on the computer so cant try it out

[severe helm]

Nope

Try it haha

[outer sky]

This rogue has a pretty good win rate in shuffle

like 71%

my other rogues are like 63%

[severe helm]

66%

Oh overall

I'm surprised you aren't higher rated

55 wins to 2k? Seems so high

[outer sky]

yeah idk

well almost 2.1

[wanton breach]

shuffle mmr is deflated?

[outer sky]

this is my lowest rated one anyway

[wanton breach]

compared to blitz or previous seasons

[severe helm]

That's weird

55-23 at 2069 is so strange

Like this is most people at that rating

Someone with same rating as you and 10 more losses rofl

[outer sky]

yeah this game is weird

This is one of my other rogues

worse win rate

still decent

but better rated

idk I just press queue

@severe helm Ya know what it may be. On this rogue my very 1st lobby was a 0-6 just because I had no gear

that may have dicked my MMR starting out

I only recently geared this one

[wanton breach]

that sounds very likely

not a fan of crate farm?

[outer sky]

Nah

I'm running some pretty scuffed gear on this rogue too

I'm playing mastery engi wrists and boots

and I catalyst'd my cloak

so make it mastery heavy

[severe helm]

I like crate farm until I have 2500 for weps

[proven field]

That’s what blitz is for lol

[outer sky]

Look how much mastery lmao

Cant wait to craft weps

[ocean delta]

as sub, is shiv ever really used this expansion?

[severe helm]

Fuck those queue times

Dead bracket

[fathom crag]

mandatory vs warriors

[severe helm]

What do you use it for against warriors?

[fathom crag]

remove banner

[severe helm]

Banner?

[fathom crag]

when they use berserker rage warriors team take -50% cc duration

you can shiv the debuff off

[severe helm]

Does it remove the teammates buff?

[fathom crag]

only the target

u pressed shiv on

usually you use on healer

[severe helm]

Don't think I've actually encountered a warrior use that yet

They always just zerk rage sap first global

[fathom crag]

top warriors always playing it vs rogues

it’s literally broken

[severe helm]

Sounds op yeah

[fathom crag]

i’ve seen warriors pre zerking rogue mage setups just for the -50%

[potent pivot]

It’s a rly good slow ye

[last jasper]

I've met sub like this in blitz once. That fucker was 100-0 me in a stun lock if I didn't have trinket. Had 61 mast too.

[outer sky]

he should have had way more than that

These are my stats as sub

[last jasper]

Armory showed 61 or 62. I was shocked as well. It doesn't show pvp stats tho

[last jasper]

This is pvp flagged?

[outer sky]

yes

[last jasper]

Dafuq?

[outer sky]

?

[last jasper]

Let me check mine pvp flagged

[last jasper]

lmao...

[lavish flint]

Did u guys know Nahj got a human sub rogue on the ladder?

[outer sky]

Like I said lol I'm stacked

[last jasper]

not playing 4 set?

[outer sky]

Nah

[last jasper]

oh, i see than. I was concerned how did I fcked up that big

[lavish flint]

i'm gonna level my human rogue, gonna feel good to have fresh conq instead of recrafting on my outlaw

[outer sky]

I also have mastery engi boots and wrists

[lavish flint]

Darkmoon faire in 1 hour hype

[outer sky]

catalyst cloak for mastery heavy stats

[last jasper]

yea, I notice by the low vers

[last jasper]

just did that, tnx 🙂

prob can recraft ring and neck for more. but 90%, jeez

[neat canopy]

how yall think outlaws gonna be after the nerfs? ima stick with it, jsut curious on more experienced rogues opinion. im nub.

[outer sky]

It'll be okay not great

[potent pivot]

It’s gonna be rough

[lavish flint]

2% mastery on human sub rogue looking juicy

[potent pivot]

Human has always been fine for sub and is fine for outlaw now as well

[potent pivot]

It’s not a flat 2%

[lavish flint]

it's a 2% increase right?

[potent pivot]

“You gain 2% more stats from sources”

[potent pivot]

No

It’s 2% of the stats you have

[lavish flint]

percentage of ur total i mean, lmao my typing is bad rn

[potent pivot]

Not a flat 2%

Yea

[lavish flint]

i hear u bro

[potent pivot]

🫡

It ends up being pretty small

Orc better for dps

[outer sky]

Just neg'd myself 150 points to afk out of a ret/prot pally/frost mage lobby

No regrets

[molten hedge]

just for that youre getting 2 hpalas and 3 rets next lobby

[outer sky]

The hpals are fine I dont mind them

Ret is so much worse

[outer sky]

Shit I havent encountered a warrior NOT playing it. Wish I did

[molten hedge]

same

[severe helm]

I honestly havent encountered a lot of warriors idk why

[proven field]

you queue for blitz while crating and running your BG and EBG daily

[severe helm]

I think being in queue during crating fucks the sharding

[marble oasis]

I'm curious for sub we going back to no scruples instead of cloud cover next week?

[severe helm]

also youll never catch me queue for an EBG

in my life lol

id rather watch paint dry

[rough rock]

This guys entire raid saying

"Bad shard again wtf is someone in que"

[potent pivot]

Nah

[potent pivot]

Major dick move anyway

[marble oasis]

Well that's fun accept a blitz queue. now i'm stuck in a DC loop as the game made my shadowstep go below the map...

[marble oasis]

wtf is with this stupid fire animation when a devo is on my team

[stoic spruce]

I'm really of the belief trickster is now only slightly ahead of FB to the point where it'd be match up dependent

[gleaming sentinel]

Melee lobbies where you can cleave otherwise fate

[stoic spruce]

Ye

You read my messages earlier...

[severe helm]

trickster doesnt really have that much better cleave though

I think theyre gona be very close to where fatebounds mobility just makes it better entirely

and the bte nerf hurts trickster more

[jaunty osprey]

bte nerfs hurt mages more

than it does rogue

idk how mages are gonna get their free rating now

[gleaming sentinel]

yea idk im rerolling devourer

[potent pivot]

I don’t even think it’s match up dependent but idk til it’s live

[marble oasis]

life is pain....

[severe helm]

4-2?

or wait

3-3

is my guess

[marble oasis]

blitz

[severe helm]

oh

rip

[stoic spruce]

@spring bough you still team fighting mid in blitz or naw?

[molten hedge]

Vancleef doesn’t play rogue anymore

[stoic spruce]

Erm

He does until Tues

[molten hedge]

🤣

[stoic spruce]

He said it himself

[molten hedge]

Blizz hurt him bad

[stoic spruce]

Unless he LIED to us

They hurt all of us

[molten hedge]

He was rly prayging for no nerfs

[stoic spruce]

Had this happen last expac it never would've gotten nerfed

[potent pivot]

Games a joke

[gleaming sentinel]

Vancleef Q’s up bro, homie is a pvper

[potent pivot]

Double outlaw all over awc

[stoic spruce]

But now for some reason they're soooo proactive with tuning

[potent pivot]

Nerf rogue into the ground and buff no one

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[stoic spruce]

Idk who said it earlier but I hope AWC gets the shaft eventually

[gleaming sentinel]

They buffed a few things didn’t they?

Fury warrior gonna be a problem

[potent pivot]

I’m saying they didn’t buff near enough and nerfed too much

Because they’re clueless

[gleaming sentinel]

Oh true

What kills me is we are worse than before the buffs rofl

It’s like what are yall doing

Going to be* anyway

[potent pivot]

Gonna be a fury warrior rdru damp meta

Instead of an outlaw rdru damp meta

Woooow

[gleaming sentinel]

https://drustvar.com/stats/shuffle/representation

[stoic spruce]

I think that's a stretch. You gotta think we also got that 12% aura buff from pve last time

I think we'll be better, granted that's not a high bar

[vague summit]

What's the gearing process like for pvp nowadys?

[gleaming sentinel]

W/e I’m a devourer main now

[stoic spruce]

Couple ways to go about it. Farm honor in BGs and conquest in blitz

Farm crates for conquest

@potent pivot I'm 99% sure they either changed how we get honor or they nerfed honor gains in epic bgs

Midnight has been giving me NOTHIN in ebgs

[potent pivot]

just farm war crates in a raid group

until you get 2500 conq and free weapon tokens

[severe helm]

ye thats the best way imo

[stoic spruce]

Either way it'll take hours

[severe helm]

takes a bit of time

but

[potent pivot]

then either keep doing crates until you're capped or do something else

[severe helm]

at least you dont have to lose to bad gear

[potent pivot]

i hate wasting time in unrated

so i just mindlessly farm crates while watching something on the side

once i cap conquest i buy everything at once and jump into rated

[stoic spruce]

??

You literally do not, quick that smoking

[potent pivot]

wat

[severe helm]

thats what I do

whys that hard to believe

I just afk farm until my character is relevant in pvp

I dont find undergeared pvp fun

so I just dont do it

[jaunty osprey]

i do that too

i crate farm on fresh chars

before stepping into shuf/arenas

so i can min max w/l

and mmr

[stoic spruce]

It's not, I'm screwing with him

[jaunty osprey]

notrickz doesnt even play this game though

[stoic spruce]

I do it too

Oh yeah

That's very true

[jaunty osprey]

that's how you ragebait him

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

He just makes educated guess with the tree

[potent pivot]

say it when i'm actually not playing tho

you've had so many chances

[stoic spruce]

Now is a great time yeah

Oh well

Game dead in 2 months at this rate

They're very active with tuning rn and I'm not a fan of that

[jaunty osprey]

i hate when the devs do stuff

jk i love realz and every1

[severe helm]

realz doesnt work on outlaw anymore

I think only sub and just barely

I def dont love whoevers working on outlaw now they seem very uninformed and missing some background lol

[warped gate]

You can't convince me a computer doesn't do the balancing.

These arbitrary numbers is just wild.

[severe helm]

a computer would do better

you only do this poorly with a personal touch lol

[vague summit]

is it better and quicker to go healer or is sub rouge still solid

[stoic spruce]

Either is fine, they'll probably want a healer though

[potent pivot]

you can just play anything in blitz man

the bracket is soooo inflated

[warped gate]

I really wish we could go back to the old way where there was a patch, and you adapted to it for months on end, rather than playing musical chairs with OP and unviable every week with tuning.

[severe helm]

theyre just bad at their jobs right now

the quality is so low

the balance is aimless

[potent pivot]

like you can really just q anything for it

[severe helm]

and uninformed

and late

[warped gate]

Even the story is dogshit.

[severe helm]

the games just bad rn

ui sucks

bugs everywhere

[warped gate]

I didn't care about anything outside of Shuffle.

[severe helm]

constant random changes with no direction

rating is still broken

blitz is mindlessly inflated

3s is dead af

[stoic spruce]

Is it really?

[severe helm]

tourney was awful

[warped gate]

I tried to do some quests and stuff, collect random shit and was like, "Bruh, I just don't care about the world."

[severe helm]

pve is insanely imbalanced too

[warped gate]

".. Of Warcraft."

[stoic spruce]

I wonder how long queues are

[warped gate]

I cancelled my sub, the new expansion honeymoon period wore off in record time, I didn't even make it to X.1.

Seeing what they did to my boy Killing Spree just hurt my soul.

[vague summit]

I watched a little bit of the tourney and lost interest

same players.. same classes.. just meh

[warped gate]

Outlaw actually being good was sweet, but..

—To this tuning.

That and the whole being second class citizens to PvE thing.

One thing I really don't like is how they just completely change moves for PvP unspoken.

When it came to CC, that made sense, I mean, obviously we not gonna CC someone for a full minute with one move.

But having to check a wiki to find out your move hits softer in PvP because some patch said so and the thumbnail doesn't point that out I never liked.

[stoic spruce]

I want to know what their metric of who to listen to feedback is

[severe helm]

yeah the pvp tuning is VERY poorly communitcated

its awful

[severe helm]

it definitely isnt the ladder

[stoic spruce]

Ikr

[severe helm]

probably some washed up pvper who works there and was high rated in like wrath

[potent pivot]

the fact that s1 of an expansion is this bad

[severe helm]

or just no one idk

[potent pivot]

speaks volumes imo

[severe helm]

yeeeeeeeah

this is one of the worst s1s ive ever experienced

its normally so hype

everyones having fun

new stuff

they poured all their time into the fucking UI

and just made the game worse

pathetic honestly

[stoic spruce]

And world content

Heroic world mode coming soon btw

[warped gate]

"We're sorry, we're listening.", for the zillionth time.

[stoic spruce]

:)

I'd believe them if they didn't say that every expansion

[marble oasis]

Right i need some pointers how the hell do i deal with flipping mistmonks?

[stoic spruce]

If you play a caster you're having a great time

[severe helm]

nah not really

still pretty unfun

some of those rotations are so mindless

shadow priest was ruined for me

[stoic spruce]

Well

[severe helm]

the new tentacle slam literally kills the entire spec

they reworked an ability that had no issues

[stoic spruce]

PvE was catered to casters this time around

[severe helm]

they already had "follow the target" shadow crash

now they have slam

that DOESNT

follow the target

it even misses in pve bro

its fucking awful

its like one of the worst designed abilities ive ever seen

[stoic spruce]

You're the first I'm hearing this from I'll be honest

[mystic tundra]

Sp still gunna struggle with the new buffs?

[stoic spruce]

You're also spriest so you're like the outlaw of casters

[warped gate]

When have you ever been in a position where a corporate apology actually helped a situation?

[stoic spruce]

Always something up with those guys

[molten hedge]

Idr did arms get nerfed? Bc it was already good. Don’t the warrs usually just play arms if they’re both good bc they prefer it

[potent pivot]

you're thinking of like 2 r1 warriors

[stoic spruce]

If they were really sorry they'd do something big

MUD is in this server, you can ask him. He's cool

[potent pivot]

most warriors would play fury

throughout the ladder

[stoic spruce]

Really?

According to war disc, Arms is high T spec

[severe helm]

I dont think war mains can even do math

they dont know whats better

but yeah I think war mains tend to just play whichever spec performs better

cuz the fundamentals are almost identical between the two

they dont really have remarkably different roles

[stoic spruce]

Maybe I should reroll warr, I have 2 I rarely play

[potent pivot]

Idk every time I’ve ever looked at representation fury is always more popular

Maybe just a bias from the random times I’ve paid attention

[stoic spruce]

I prefer fury myself

[gleaming sentinel]

fury is diet outlaw

[stoic spruce]

I'm so nuanced I view them as completely different

My mind, too open

[spring bough]

[spring bough]

Heard after the nerfs he already unsubbed till next xpack

[stoic spruce]

I can't wait until 12.1 patch notes and see not a LINE for outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Isn't FtH the only gate to Prep?

[spring bough]

Yes?

[stoic spruce]

Trying to remember

Okay

I'm cooking a tree in my brain

Oh yeah, I got it.

Blizz hire me

[spring bough]

Why

[lavish flint]

gonna try some fatebound shuffles to see how it feels again, been trickster for a while

[stoic spruce]

Bored at work

[jaunty osprey]

I queued with a frost mage and monk

for the first time this season

yeah, they need to be nerfed

[jaunty osprey]

bro sold his account

the second those patch notes went live

[potent pivot]

zen spheres and mystic touch too OP

[potent pivot]

ayo WTF

don't put that juju on me

[spring bough]

Found it on eBay 👀

[potent pivot]

blizz been banning ppl like crazy for that lately

[spring bough]

Damn shoulda been sin nerfed 😭

[jaunty osprey]

I recorded the whole session

they need to nerf my auto attacks man

and poisoned knife

[stoic spruce]

So apparently you can still buy characters that have mage tower completed

And accounts

How weird, I thought they fixed that

[potent pivot]

pretty positive if u have the stuff u can infinitely make new accounts to sell

people just can't import characters from the bought account to their main account, they have to swap and play the bought account

but idk fully

lot of shenanigans going on

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

you're right

they have to swap to the new account fully

[spring bough]

🤔

[stoic spruce]

Interesting...

So character transfer must've been disabled for a long long time

[spring bough]

So u saying I could somehow get the OG AQ mount and mage tower stuff? Hmmmm

[stoic spruce]

My dad did it once

These are dangerous games

But damn does Mage Tower Apocalypse make it tempting

Is it worth the risk prolly not

[spring bough]

How’s this UHDK nerf looking for u

[stoic spruce]

Fine

Still the best melee in pve

[spring bough]

?

[stoic spruce]

Nope :D

It's legitimately still very good

Though the magus nerf was really weird

That one was honestly uncalled for but the rest is chill

[spring bough]

Still deciding if I should level another class

Hunt, DK, pally, war or warlock

[stoic spruce]

For what content

[spring bough]

Idk anything lmao

[unreal flicker]

if i wanna reroll to outlaw is it smarter to just keep my conq capped gear or buy new honor set for the stats?

[stoic spruce]

Keep your gear

[potent pivot]

2024

[stoic spruce]

Damn I just missed it

[unreal flicker]

okay, i just didnt know if the stats are worth the ilvl

[potent pivot]

idk if u wanna reroll to outlaw rn

[spring bough]

I got a character off one account just in time 😂

[potent pivot]

just bein honest

[unreal flicker]

i seen someone saying they just got nerfed is that true?

[spring bough]

Yes 😭

[potent pivot]

its getting nerfed on tuesday

[stoic spruce]

Transferring accounts but not characters is weird tbh

[unreal flicker]

ive only played sub but getting kinda bored

[potent pivot]

nerfed to fuck and back

subs getting nerfed too

[unreal flicker]

sucks

[potent pivot]

so play w/e u want ig

[spring bough]

It’s gonna be okay…..

[unreal flicker]

how is assa?

[stoic spruce]

Good and under the radar

[potent pivot]

fine

[spring bough]

Devourer is fun

[unreal flicker]

hmm maybe ill give it a try

unfortunately everyone will since its under the radar and theyll catch on 😄

[stoic spruce]

I know what it's like being the underdog

[potent pivot]

Same gear as sub so much easier anyway

[stoic spruce]

When it comes to stuff like that

[unreal flicker]

yeah im all caught up on gear with sub so thats nice atleast

[spring bough]

Okay Mr DK

[stoic spruce]

It still pisses me off Unholy is not even half as good in pvp than in pve

Like

Idk

It doesn't surprise me

Blizz sucks

[unreal flicker]

just play blood in pvp

be the tank

[stoic spruce]

Been there done that

[unreal flicker]

that EVERYONE loves

[stoic spruce]

I use to do it to make people mad but then everyone became indifferent

I didn't get a single insult last expac playing blood

[unreal flicker]

i had a guardian druid in TK today who didnt grab a single orb 😄

[stoic spruce]

Closest I got was "whoa blood"

[unreal flicker]

lmao

[stoic spruce]

Everyone is too nice to tanks in pvp now, I hate it

[potent pivot]

Because it was good

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it was lowkey sleeper lol

It reminds me of when the joker said "without batman, crime has no punchline"

But whatever, I'll do prot warr next if I feel like it

Dragon Charge go brrr

[stoic spruce]

Bet you weren't expecting that

[unreal flicker]

i was not lol

[stoic spruce]

Im so degen, I have rextroy notifications as a push notification

@spring bough how do I become made of money?

I gotta find oil under my house or something

Gotta be rare minerals somewhere in my yard

[jaunty osprey]

w

made supatease rage

and act like assa is op

[spring bough]

crypto

[stoic spruce]

I have a crypto friend who's up $11,000

[jaunty osprey]

should watch the vod

and hear supatease cry

the entire time

[potent pivot]

its crazy how clueless people in this game are

[hybrid palm]

My feral is roaring

[severe helm]

Not me

I report them all

[outer sky]

I just report them

[outer sky]

Wtf we have everything?

Did they revert the CD on cheap shot?

[outer sky]

That hpal is a real piece of 💩

[stoic spruce]

And nothing happens

Mmm malice

[proven field]

how is feral? I generally never ever feel threatened by them

[outer sky]

like B tier

[proven field]

that's about what I thought... slowly leveling an Enh, so far not bad

[outer sky]

getting buffed tuesday

[proven field]

yeah that's why im doin it 😉

[jaunty osprey]

idk he's nice to me

[outer sky]

Criticize him once even mildly and see how fast that changes

dudes got borderline personality disorder

[jaunty osprey]

that's the problem

no need to criticize anyone in shuffle

[outer sky]

wasnt in shuffle

[jaunty osprey]

or anywhere

it's just a game

[outer sky]

You should see the screenshots

tell him its just a game

he went off on me on discord

in my DMs

hes psychotic

theres really no excuse

[jaunty osprey]

touch of karma xd

[severe helm]

what even kille dhim

[jaunty osprey]

my kingsbane, same time as MW punching him, and same time as mage damage

[severe helm]

you can kingsbane while disarmed?

[jaunty osprey]

ye

[severe helm]

wild

[stoic spruce]

I thought it was a spell and not an actual ability

Melee ability specifically

[outer sky]

Imagine being so delusional that you defend this guy by telling ME "it's just a game" holy fuck. He went on for like 20 straight minutes beyond this too without me even responding. JFC

Bro's CRAZY.

[outer sky]

I mean it literally says "release a powerful poison from your weapons" so I'm not sure how/why we're able to do it without weapons but I ain't complaining

[stoic spruce]

Majick

Rogue can have a little magic as a treat

[mystic tundra]

How do you use vanish as assa do you save it to combine with cds or what's the play?

[outer sky]

Oh wait I have more screenshots

"posting my name associated with you without my permission"

This dude needs professional help I swear. But I'm the one who needs to learn "it's just a game" lmao okay

[grave basin]

i like how i havent seen a single outlaw rog in shuffle since the tuning dropped

it's all devourers

some games 2x devourer

actually disgusting state of affairs lol

[outer sky]

Hey guys is Dev DH good right now or something????

[lime oar]

[dark moon]

Erm, is bro okay? Seems like a terminally online guy

[outer sky]

He's not okay at all. He's completely insane

[dark moon]

Looks like it

[outer sky]

But apparently I'm the one who's taking the game too seriously in this interaction

he's the level headed one

[dark moon]

He's the guy with 3 r1s and many glads right?

On the last screenshot

[outer sky]

ye

he legit went on for 20 straight minutes

all because I said he doesnt always play perfectly

which is true for anyone

[dark moon]

Nice, I bet he says that to all the girls

Drowning in punani

[outer sky]

he said ivan used his defensives well so obviously he's completely calm cool and collect and actually I'm the crazy one for thinking otherwise

thats a totally normal person I'm talking to in those screenshots

totally doesnt take the game too seriously

The clown shit you hear from people on discord

[dark moon]

Something happened in blitz or shuffle?

[outer sky]

No lol

he was on my bnet for a while

and i queued into him in shuffle a lot

sometimes I win sometimes i lose w/e

and we queued 3s

then this just randomly blew up one night

in discord

thats why i asked if he was drunk

[dark moon]

Hahaha

[outer sky]

but no he's just crazy

Borderline Personality Disorder

or Bipolar or something

he aint right in the head thats for sure

[gilded gulch]

put the guy in a room

with crusader

[dark moon]

Oh man, this reminds me of a competitive team from my country in wotlk/cata - very good rogue mage, insane actually, that got an average priest and then way they were teaching him how to play was through some weird tactics - disband and remake tram after one loss

[outer sky]

I just want to go on record that somebody told ME "its just a game"

not him

me

[dark moon]

Taking the game too seriously is never a good thing (I've done it in the past)

[outer sky]

"you don't always play perfectly"

hey calm down bro it's just a game.

"Don't you dare post my name next to yours without my permission you scrub"

Idk this guy seems pretty chill to me

[outer sky]

Oh yeah for sure

but thats a lesson for this pinkteddy guy

but i'm not even really kidding when I say I think he might actually be mental

like, for real

[dark moon]

I think only awc players and race to world first people should take it seriously, like they are literally getting paid to play. Everybody else needs to chill out

[outer sky]

there's definitely a few screws loose up there in that noggin' of his no doubt about that

[dark moon]

Saying this reminds me of ABN

He threw up in his hand on twitch stream

But that's what 7482639263847273 rbgs do to you

[outer sky]

I do 8-10 RBGs every sunday and that almost burns me out lmao

like actual 10 mans not blitz

10 mans are so much sweatier

[dark moon]

Oh boy there are people playing rbgs still?

Guessing its free range for boosters

[mystic tundra]

People get PTSD from 10man discord comms 😂

[outer sky]

well I play with the same 9 people every sunday

long time friends

[dark moon]

I wasn't playing the game in wod, but I think there was a community driven event about rbgs and that leader Bailamos was playing

It looked really fun and interesting to watch

Seems like rbgs peaked there and was downhill after that

[dark moon]

Oh that's valuable

[outer sky]

its more of a social thing than anything super competitive

I enjoy it

[dark moon]

Sounds nice

Out of curiosity, do you sit long queues?

[outer sky]

No

Queues are like

either instant

or at most 5 minutes

usually theyre 2 or 3 minutes

we'll get like a 7 or 8 minute one every once in a while but thats rare

[severe helm]

is this season just done or what

guess its kinda late but its saturday

[outer sky]

What rating?

[severe helm]

only like 2200

grinding up the alt

some bs

[outer sky]

2200 is still very much on the higher end of the shuffle ladder right now. Plus its 3:30am

Did it pop yet?

[grave basin]

@spring bough

trying to not be a wanker with 4 bars, finally downloaded a CDM addon

[stoic spruce]

And popo?

[grave basin]

who's popo

[stoic spruce]

I'm going back to work

[grave basin]

go poke venruki to nerf outlaw more

[grizzled basin]

Hi all, I’m considering switching from undead to Orc to get an easier time with stuns (though still much to learn outside of that, still at 1800). Why aren’t more sin switching to Orc vs NE ? I see most top subs are orc now.

[potent pivot]

I’m surprised these notes once again had zero mention of them injecting some inflation

[potent pivot]

Because it’s not that big of a deal at the end of the day

Lots of people had multiple level 80 night elf rogues from TWW

Also nelf is good for sin

[grizzled basin]

Ok, surprised 20% stun duration reduction is not that a big deal

[potent pivot]

It’s not 20%

[outer sky]

Nerfed to 10% in pvp

[grizzled basin]

Oh mb

They should just remove racials tbh

Not even sure it’s the that much revenue from people switching

[outer sky]

Yeah actually was talking to somebody about this earlier today. He and I were both expecting an mmr boost to shuffle but I guess blizzard likes it this way

[potent pivot]

nah they're either fully oblivious still or being lazy

[outer sky]

Yeah you're probably right

[potent pivot]

usually once we get a clickbait venruki video they actually do something to the mmr

[outer sky]

Its just so strange to me that they throttled shuffle mmr so hard but didnt do anything with blitz

[potent pivot]

again either completely oblivious

or

they wanted blitz to be the casuals' bracket

no idea

[dark moon]

have you guys seen any feral druids in shuffle?

[grave basin]

yea i have

on my sv hunter, won every round against him and when he had me as a teammate he /cringed me

[severe helm]

I'm still night elf 🙂

It's fiiiiine

[wanton breach]

Like twice but low mmr

[rough rock]

Undead supremacy

[grave basin]

So are we going back to Fb?

[spring bough]

Clean

[spring bough]

Probably

[hybrid palm]

Decent I would say. Lot of fun

[potent pivot]

Trickster isn’t going to be far enough ahead to be worth running anymore

And will be worse than Fatebound if you don’t take KS

[safe pelican]

2200 @ 3AM …. Shadddddupppp and gts brother 😂

[spring bough]

Might be a lil late 😂

[muted spire]

Guy if I want to level a outlaw after this class tuning, will you guys recommended that outlaw will still be good in the meta? or they got nerf to death

[potent pivot]

reasonably speaking you don't need to care very much about the meta until you're pushing pretty high

but it will very much not be fotm anymore

[muted spire]

is this a long time nerf or recent nerf? so orc or ne not much different after all?

[potent pivot]

its been a while since orc got nerfed

no races are "much different" these days

very very minimal min maxing

night elf only felt mandatory for rogue before because outlaw/assa had so much damage availability tied to stealth

[muted spire]

gottcha I thougth the -10% stun time play a big impact on a rogue mirror game

[potent pivot]

it helps if you're facing sub rogue, thats about it

just buy something

doesn't rly matter

spin the wheel and click buy

tf do u mean

why would u buy daggers

bro what

upgrade the conq daggers

no

too worried about stats

unless u just don't play this class

like its an alt u aren't playing

or some shit

we will be overflowing with slivers

with nothing to spend them on

pointless to sit on them

[spring bough]

looks like my survival hunter is winning the level up race

[gleaming sentinel]

Uncap when? It’s time to get good at the other rogue specs

[spring bough]

almost done with farming these wep mogs from void thingys

[gusty hedge]

dam i lowkey forgot about those. i went in on 3 rng attempts at hero gear 1500 and got 3 weaps i dont need

havent logged on since day before yesterday too

prolly gonna grind em out tomorrow

[spring bough]

the ring the bell modifier too ez

clear the instance before u kill 25 mobs lmaooo

[gusty hedge]

i need that one too!
is that a tier 5 clear?

[gleaming sentinel]

gotta learn at least 1 other one man, im tired of dooming about tuning

while yes outlaw is the most fun, know whats consitently fun too? winning

[spring bough]

yeah its ez

new ritual site so spread out feels 100x easier than last weeks

[long shore]

hey friends,

just hit 90 today.

what would be the best rogue spec to gear up for World PvP and also Arenas?

Was thinking of Sub rogue, but heard Outlaw is pretty good this season too

[spring bough]

outlaw is getting mega nerfed on tuesday sooooooo maybe sub lol

[long shore]

Oh noooo 🙁

I levelled as outlaw and it was insane in 5man dungeons

Guess sub it is then

Are the nerfs that bad?

[spring bough]

everyone is probably going back to fatebound over trickster so yeah... lol

[spring bough]

all weps and armor done... EZ PZ

[long shore]

Thanks vancleef

!gear

!faq

For sub rogue the stats is still mastery / Vers which is same as assas?

It's what I recall from playing 5 months ago

[grave basin]

watching r1 dev play devourer and it doesnt even look like a wow class

[jaunty osprey]

Are you okay? You seem quite upset for absolutely 0 reason.

You talked about criticizing him and in general I said that it isn’t worth criticizing ANYONE because it’s just a game.

Obviously I didn’t have full context, but my statement was clearly a broad statement about criticism in general. If someone ever whispers me or anything, I just block and move on

They can keep thinking about me for the rest of their day and I can move on

[grave basin]

feels like im watching a hack n slash gameplay or something

[spring bough]

The 5% wasn’t enough Devourer still gonna be ahead of most if not all on dmg 😭

[grave basin]

just watched him 100 -0 an rdruid

solo

[spring bough]

Is he playing fel scarred or anni

[gleaming sentinel]

who

[gusty hedge]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy)
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[long shore]

wow ty nice Sub can use same stats as Outlaw

[spring bough]

is it just me or do void elfs have the biggest foreheads in the game

[gusty hedge]

its not recommended, mastery is not good for outlaw, haste/vers/crit

if u have another rogue its fine to meme build play with! main gauche tops chart with full mastery

[long shore]

so for Sub i wanna hit 200 Haste rating, then pump the rest into Mastery?

Did i understand it correctly.

[gusty hedge]

void elfs = blood elfs
so blood elfs bigg foreheads too

[spring bough]

tryna find a mog where my head doesnt look ginormous

[stoic spruce]

but that body tho..

[spring bough]

rogue tier 3 + new glaives w galaxy illusion on the DH

mogging harrd

[gusty hedge]

you can do 200 minimum for haste or push 600-700 haste 2-3 break points for haste.
more haste is recommended for shuffle since longer matches( what tricks would prolly say) anything thats touch nd go would be 200 haste then full mastery, like Bgs/Blitz/Rbgs wpvp, but both work in any pvp.

[pastel burrow]

what body bro

fem undead have more meat than them

[long shore]

ah gotcha im just starting to gear up, so BG and World PVP would be my go to for now

will aim for 200 haste then!!

[vague summit]

well time to give pvp a shot

[stoic spruce]

yeahh do it!

[stoic spruce]

they got my grammas posture

[pastel burrow]

hell yeah they do

[vague summit]

So, if I'm 267 with pve gear.. should I do anything different

[stoic spruce]

make sure you got trinkets and your stats are correct

oh 267, get pvp gear broski

[vague summit]

so im cooked

[stoic spruce]

[gusty hedge]

should get some honor gear it scales to 276, like popo said minimum trinkets+weaps
if u grind conquest u can get 289 pieces

[stoic spruce]

naw just farm conquest and once you get your trinkets

[potent pivot]

yes.... literally everything

[stoic spruce]

and you gucci

[vague summit]

is it quicker than SL? that wa the last time i pvp'd

[stoic spruce]

much faster

night and day

[potent pivot]

has it even changed

[vague summit]

lmaooo

[stoic spruce]

didnt have crates in SL >.>

[potent pivot]

crates are a bit slower than 2s for example

they're just so much easier to farm especially from 0 gear

[stoic spruce]

aint no one taking Ashlyn in 267 gear

in 2s

Ashelyn my b

[potent pivot]

i'm talking time compared to SL

[stoic spruce]

that baby gear

oh

yes still

are we talking like

0 gear to honor to conquest?

[potent pivot]

at least you don't need rating to upgrade anymore

[stoic spruce]

troo

[potent pivot]

but i don't think honor/conq gains have changed very much

[stoic spruce]

no but queue times have

[potent pivot]

just join a war crate farming raid group

[stoic spruce]

break ToS and buy it >:D

[potent pivot]

what

[stoic spruce]

carries

RMT

[potent pivot]

break tos and play legion private servers

oh wait

[stoic spruce]

yeah and?

its actually server singular

not plural

[vague summit]

Do people still sell carries? lol

[gleaming sentinel]

i

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[gleaming sentinel]

i'll never understand why people wanna play old versions of the game but

[stoic spruce]

legal and illegal

classic included?

[vague summit]

I just wish they'd make content my previous expansions avaiable. Like the illusions and mage tower

like no reason to gate guard your own content for cosemtic items

[spring bough]

I’d do unimaginable things for MT arti mogs

Challenge mode stuff

[stoic spruce]

a good middle ground would be Mage Tower reskins if blizz happens to care about that

[grave basin]

encycia

[spring bough]

oh look a blitz with 5 paladins.....

and 2 dks

[vague summit]

Right?! I have MT on my DH. I should be able to get it on my other characters

I felt for the Navy mid way the ToS so I missed out on everything lol

[spring bough]

rogues finally rerolled before tuesday looks like?

[stoic spruce]

left?

oh dood same but Air Force

[grave basin]

we are edgelord rogues now (dh)

[spring bough]

Been an edge lord rocking that rogue tier 3 with glaives

[grave basin]

how tf you got t3?

[stoic spruce]

currently on the phone with my people to make Unholy OP again

just you fuckin wait

[vague summit]

yeah left for bootcamp

[grave basin]

bruh i gambled and leveled one of the two "new" specs and it lost hard

shoulda leveled a dev

[stoic spruce]

I left immediately after highschool, prolly shouldnt have done that

[vague summit]

PVP could be so good however, it just not interesting enough. The AWC was so lack luster.. Miss Pikaboo

[stoic spruce]

Missed out on peak outlaw

[spring bough]

easiest blitz of my life... to to WW and cap it cause enemy went LH... then we go GM and 3 cap

[vague summit]

Missed out on peek class design

[stoic spruce]

two "new" specs?

well

[grave basin]

unholy and devourer

[stoic spruce]

if we're talking peak

SL Outlaw was peak Outlaw

[vague summit]

noooo BFA

[stoic spruce]

BFA a solid #2

[spring bough]

U can use tier 3 on any toons w same armor lol

[stoic spruce]

the ONLY thing thats stopping BFA from being my number 1 outlaw is BtE stun sometimes being a detriment

and then Legion #3

Midnight #4 and tww/df at #6

it was so bad I have to skip #5

[spring bough]

Why are ques popping like crazy right now @severe helm

[stoic spruce]

because @gusty hedge mom is online and its clogging up the queue

thats mean

[spring bough]

the GOAT

[stoic spruce]

idk why I said that

[stoic spruce]

thats my spirit animal

[gusty hedge]

bro been multri streaming these past few days

[stoic spruce]

multri

[spring bough]

waiting to see pika on a DH

[stoic spruce]

I should be playing outlaw rn but im talkin to yall

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

can u imagine him on devourer w that dmg

[grave basin]

i know, doesnt it cost like 3m gold

[stoic spruce]

bouta burp

[gusty hedge]

im watching Bluelock waiting for tuesday so i can play post nerf

[stoic spruce]

I've just accepted the nerf and am still gonna play it anyway

[gusty hedge]

prolly i like when he plays outlaw

[stoic spruce]

because its better than unholy lul

[gleaming sentinel]

pika top 5 on all rogue specs

jesus

[gusty hedge]

i wish i knew how to play other classes as decent but idk

[stoic spruce]

I can only play 3 specs good and warr decent

fdk decent

[spring bough]

u aent got gold like that??

[gusty hedge]

he*

[marble socket]

You think outlaw gonna be dogshit after nerf?

[stoic spruce]

honestly they should nerf outlaw more so that I dont feel as bad not playing on my work week

dogshit idk

I think it'll be like

a little better than mid

aight

[grave basin]

im broke as FUCK

[gusty hedge]

i would prolly unsubscribe

[stoic spruce]

more time to go outside

or play the private server with me

between seasons

not as a main

[gusty hedge]

2017 lol is calling

[stoic spruce]

thats dumb

I never played league

I talk to women

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

my kitty cat is so soft

whats yalls fav jolly rancher

[potent pivot]

sure

[stoic spruce]

I like blue raspberry

[grave basin]

we're all devourers now

[stoic spruce]

literally my cat but with a collar

[gusty hedge]

u see the imprint around his neck

lmao

wow

right over my head

[spring bough]

bro dont steal my thing

[rough rock]

Idk how the hell you guys play devour

[stoic spruce]

me when new people come to learn outlaw

[spring bough]

1,2,3 rinse repeat?

[rough rock]

Looool

[grave basin]

brother copywritted a wow spec

[spring bough]

do bigger dam than outlaw

post nerf too

[rough rock]

I’ll keep playing my fire mage in the mean time

Where I only have to press 1,2

[stoic spruce]

no blue names can play outlaw and only Ashelyn can play as a red name because they havent given me a reason to gatekeep it from them, a few yellow names arent allowed actually

[crimson widget]

what slot should i craft on sub for bg blitz? or rather: what gear should i get for pvp?

[stoic spruce]

greens get a pass, I like all the greens

[gusty hedge]

i got hit by a 120k consume last week arent those the orb builders?!?

[rough rock]

Low rated blitz fire mage is fun as hell 🤣

[spring bough]

Yeah buddy

[potent pivot]

There’s a starting gear guide #1283780831147589713

Don’t buy or craft weapons because you get free ones

Other than that check murlok

[spring bough]

Have u got the new DH glaives yet

Mog is 🔥

[potent pivot]

No

[gusty hedge]

wait their are new ones? is that what u meant by tier 3?

[stoic spruce]

there

[spring bough]

Lightless lament from March on quel raid

[stoic spruce]

you lost outlaw priveledges

jesus

I lost it too

[grave basin]

dh gonna do well with my new 2 bars UI

monkaHMM

[stoic spruce]

Privileges*

[potent pivot]

Bro huh

[spring bough]

U don’t even need 2 bars just 1

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

I have a total of like 11 buttons for DH

Shits wild 😂

[stoic spruce]

thats what my bitch of an ex wife use to tell me..

[grave basin]

how do you even level a dh

[rough rock]

Gonna be like aeghis and fill my dh bars with 3x of the same ability

[grave basin]

isnt it a ramp spec

[stoic spruce]

gettin in the way of my booze cruisin

[spring bough]

Tank dungeons for faster ques ofc

[rough rock]

You play havoc and destroy everything

[potent pivot]

wtf?

[rough rock]

Can never die with self heal

[grave basin]

w0t? isnt devourer a ramp spec

[potent pivot]

ITS LEVELING

[rough rock]

Yeah but leveling with devour is ass

[stoic spruce]

never heard of that dmg profile

[rough rock]

Being a ramp spec while leveling is ass

[potent pivot]

it’s really not that bad

You just need to play a good build

[grave basin]

yea im being pedantic

[stoic spruce]

okay Peter

[potent pivot]

Just play the pvp build and it’s fine

Trying to play collapsing star for leveling is where people go wrong

[rough rock]

Make an thread for the outlaw to devoured pipeline rerollers

[stoic spruce]

make an thread

[rough rock]

English hard

[stoic spruce]

man

I cant STAND you dh mfers

[rough rock]

Enjoy your turtle wow future

[stoic spruce]

dont yall know its the same calss as havoc?

[grave basin]

????? ive been dh since wc orcs vs humans

[gleaming sentinel]

i am a lifelong devourer enjoyer

[stoic spruce]

caparonie and cheese

[gleaming sentinel]

(I am lvl 89)

[grave basin]

yo wait for me

[stoic spruce]

I am

I wouldnt be caught dead with a DH on my account

[gleaming sentinel]

i need to mow my lawn and exercise

idk how to fight devourer, so i am making one

for even larger plays on outlaw

https://klipy.com/gifs/talos-talosian-2--k01KQQ3HMBJYTJVA7N70WD38ZRS

[gusty hedge]

gouge clutch

vs dev

[grave basin]

dh best spec counter rogue
devourer elite mogs
devourer guide shit on outlaws

your next google searches

[gleaming sentinel]

i'll become a youtuber

[stoic spruce]

you know why its named devourer?

[gusty hedge]

their insta ports go hard

[gleaming sentinel]

"DEVOURER INSANE DPS"

[stoic spruce]

it doevours weenar

[gusty hedge]

💀

[gleaming sentinel]

"DEVOURER INSANE NO AUG 300K OVERALL"

[stoic spruce]

"NOT CLICKBAIT AT 3AM GONE SEXUAL"

[gleaming sentinel]

"PLAY THIS SPEC BEFORE BLIZZ FINDS OUT"

[stoic spruce]

"SECRET ONESHOT??? :OOO"

Yall remember that sub video from SL that was like that?

[gusty hedge]

these are the types of titles you see too

[stoic spruce]

about the one-shot macro

okay I gotta go beddy bye

[gleaming sentinel]

thumbnail witha redcircle on a talent