isnt the first line of fazed nerf already 8% less dam during your AR alone
#pvp
grave basin
molten hedge
No I didn’t I rerolled to outlaw bc it was insane
rough rock
lol
stoic spruce
isnt the first line of fazed nerf already 8% less dam during your AR alone
Yeah lol
molten hedge
Bc I play rogue and idgaf which spec bc I’m not beholden to one spec
Bc this is a video game
gleaming sentinel
Here we go…
hybrid sapphire
too late my identity is attached to assa
vocal surge
The PvP nerf for Outlaw nerfs Fatebound as well
potent pivot
People are just sick of heavy handed nerfs
vocal surge
If it were just the PvE nerf + 15% BTE nerf, it would've been fine
gleaming sentinel
Double vanish dampener gaming boys
vocal surge
but the 5% nerf hits Fatebound
molten hedge
People are just sick of heavy handed nerfs
I hear you. I guess we’ll see next week
stoic spruce
If we only got the nerfs under what's stated in pvp then absolutely none of us would care
severe helm
anyone know why people dont run this in pvp as outlaw?
finite widget
Next week every melee player gonna be a warrior or monk
vocal surge
anyone know why people dont run this in pvp as outlaw?
Secondary Stat budget
rough rock
anyone know why people dont run this in pvp as outlaw?
is that just a 2% damage buff to crit?
severe helm
is that just a 2% damage buff to crit?
yes\
vocal surge
We'll be able to run that in S2 or S3
severe helm
Secondary Stat budget
I mean
grave basin
arms gonna be the stronger melee, ww fell off quite hard this week but maybe that's because outlaw is stronk
vocal surge
That's because Crit is twice as strong in PvE
vocal surge
PvE Crit Damage is 200% flat, PvP 150%
severe helm
I guess after prob
vocal surge
Ye prob after
ocean thunder
As long as there's not many rets, i'm happy.
I am having issues as assa vs rets nothing dies
ocean thunder
Had a lobby we were 3 rogues 1 of each spec and a ret and he farmed us 6-0
rough rock
thats a massive skill issue if you dont get one round there lmao
grave basin
the shield neck is low key a big outlaw nerf too lol
stoic spruce
Damn I was gonna get that
molten hedge
I’ve played this game like one full expansion. Started basically in end of df s4 TWW. Lol
grave basin
rough rock
hey guys at least we have cc!
stoic spruce
not like he plays retail anyway
I do >:{
stoic spruce
hey guys at least we have cc!
I've grown accustomed to no longer having the rogue tax on my rogue
stoic spruce
nerf to unholy too
Luckily it ain't that deep with unholy
gleaming sentinel
Venruki is gonna be so happy
stoic spruce
Outlaw more nerfed than Unholy
grave basin
Luckily it ain't that deep with unholy
wrong, it's fucking massive
rough rock
Venruki is gonna be so happy
fence sitter is always happy
stoic spruce
wrong, it's fucking massive
How so? The nerds already proved it
It's like a 5% nerf in aoe
hybrid sapphire
did anyone get huge buffs i never learned how to read
stoic spruce
Warr
grave basin
proof popo doesnt play retail
sharp sierra
did anyone get huge buffs i never learned how to read
SP and warr
stoic spruce
I dooooo
hybrid sapphire
IJBOL
grave basin
yea lets make assa meta for 3 expansions
hybrid sapphire
💪
grave basin
god forbid any other rogue spec shines for 2 weeks before getting nuked
vocal surge
lol
stoic spruce
Got my tummy hurting fr
sharp sierra
did anyone get huge buffs i never learned how to read
I am almost certain you will see prev and drake play sp feral in finals
rough rock
yea lets make assa meta for 3 expansions
god please no
potent pivot
It boggles my mind they nerfed BtE when imp bte doesn’t even fucking work on live
rough rock
im telling you, kasu paid big money
potent pivot
Idk how they can be this lost
gleaming sentinel
The cabal works in mysterious ways
grave basin
god please no
it's already gonna be that way
frozen walrus
anyone know why people dont run this in pvp as outlaw?
I have actually wondered how it works. Does it give you a flat 2% crit or does it give you 2% more crit stats?
grave basin
202% crit damage in pve
severe helm
I have actually wondered how it works. Does it give you a flat 2% crit or does ...
no its 2% more crit dam
but im wondering if in pvp
its 152
or 151
frozen walrus
no its 2% more crit dam
I almost got it a few weeks back, but I wasnt sure how it worked
grave basin
i just realised
none of these have pvp mods? wtf
Arms
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Overpower damage increased by 20%.
Slayer: Slayer’s Strike damage increased by 40%.
Slayer: Reap the Storm damage increased by 30%.
Fury
All damage increased by 5%.
Execute damage increased by 20%.
Raging Blow damage increased by 20%.
Slayer: Slayer’s Strike damage increased by 40%.
Slayer: Reap the Storm damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane: Ground Current damage increased by 50%.
ig no one plays slayer in pvp thankfully
grave basin
so arms gets 2 insane hero talent trees
finite onyx
yo sorry if this was asked before but the way i understand sub rogue still has 2 extra stacks of fazed, just the cloud cover buff has less duration?
molten hedge
yo sorry if this was asked before but the way i understand sub rogue still has 2...
This isn’t a good time bubba. Channels in shambles
halcyon timber
One additional stack, and fazed duration is reduced
gleaming sentinel
Quad grapple is back woop woop
rough rock
yo sorry if this was asked before but the way i understand sub rogue still has 2...
yup you still get 3 stacks
rough rock
Quad grapple is back woop woop
only thing im happy for haha
gusty hedge
The nerfs suck ass but hopefully we will see less outlaw fotm now
More pistol shots and zero in stacks i guess
grave basin
that's what happens when smexxin has his way
grave basin
How many years does bte nerf stay in effect
how long has it been since legion till now
spring bough
How many years does bte nerf stay in effect
Eternity
gleaming sentinel
Ride the butterfly mount, play the simple specs, build your dollhouse
gusty hedge
maybe crit is the move...
2% + crit dam 12% instead of 10% maybe that 2% crit dam ring enchant could work if people are still playing trickster with high crit
spring bough
F housing mannnnn what a hallmark for an xpack
halcyon timber
https://tenor.com/view/you-to-me-gif-5464565068190392814
"now your back is going to hurt because you just pulled landscaping duty"
spring bough
$75 bundle
severe helm
The nerfs suck ass but hopefully we will see less outlaw fotm now
More pistol sh...
zero in is piss bro
bte nerfed 15%
bout to be dispatch machines
rough rock
zero in is piss bro
you dont like waiting a full 2 min for the stacks to max out?
spring bough
bout to be dispatch machines
Sinister, snd, dispatch sounding like classic wow
spring bough
Ig we got an extra button with pistol
halcyon timber
That a quote?
hybrid sapphire
was to be for stupider players
isnt that every expac
spring bough
Straight from blizz con
severe helm
isnt that every expac
no
grave basin
straight from kotick
severe helm
they went from SL to DF
and made the game more complex
by a lot
this xpac
their explicit goal
was to make the game "more approachable"
spring bough
was to make the game "more approachable"
They shoulda went back to the old talent system too
1 every 10 levels
grave basin
was to make the game "more approachable"
sv hunter has the exact same rotation in ST and AOE btw
spring bough
sv hunter has the exact same rotation in ST and AOE btw
If only it was good wtb survival buffs and fotm
stoic spruce
was to make the game "more approachable"
grave basin
approachable
tbf the rotation is fluid and engaging to a degree, just wish there was a smidge more complexity
rough rock
I do prefer FB playstyle anyways but it felt nice to actually have burst....like everybody else in the game
stoic spruce
Im starting to be of the belief Restless Blades is losing its place in WoW
grave basin
slayer fury warrior gonna chunk for 20% each execute proc
finishing leveling my troll warrior RIGHT NOW
gusty hedge
war and mm gonna be blastin after tuesday
ionic crown
SUB DEAD?
stoic spruce
No
hybrid sapphire
sub is never dead
stoic spruce
Arguably the better spec actually
ionic crown
love it
stoic spruce
You would
sharp sierra
war and mm gonna be blastin after tuesday
war yea but certainly not mm
heavy stratus
is the outlaw nerf big?
vocal surge
Being a CC bot makes me feel dead so
Which CC?
stoic spruce
He's a cheap shot for sure
abstract stratus
outlaw nerfs lmfao
stoic spruce
stoic spruce
Val and Whazz must know see the trickster changes
molten hedge
they did
stoic spruce
Then they have no excuse for this ignorance
stoic spruce
Granted being good doesn't automatically mean you know how the numbers work, it just means you play good
vocal surge
When I told him Trickster Outlaw was gonna do mad damage, he was like "Nah"
molten hedge
we shall see
stoic spruce
We've been batting 100s so far
molten hedge
i wouldnt immediately discredit two r1's
stoic spruce
You can when it comes to stuff like this
vocal surge
i wouldnt immediately discredit two r1's
Its not discrediting
stoic spruce
They just play good, big diff
vocal surge
Its just they're probably not paying much attention
potent pivot
i wouldnt immediately discredit two r1's
Val is… questionable
molten hedge
lmao
potent pivot
lmao
I’m just saying
Not exactly a source I’d trust personally
He’s a good player
molten hedge
Its not discrediting
wait he actually used the word delusional maybe he was referring to u
stoic spruce
If hes telling you about plays, do that. R1s aren't typically the theorycrafting type in general
It's 2 different worlds
potent pivot
wait he actually used the word delusional maybe he was referring to u <:OMEGAKEK...
Val is like the only r1 that was running a slow offhand on sub earlier this season
I had to get Ivan to tell him how bad it was
stoic spruce
Val is like the only r1 that was running a slow offhand on sub earlier this seas...
Hasn't that not been a thing for years at this point?
potent pivot
Hasn't that not been a thing for years at this point?
Yeah
I’m not trying to flame or anything
But idk
stoic spruce
It's okay greenie, I will for you. Val is BEHIND!
grave basin
r1s are mechanically good at the game, doesnt mean they know about theorycrafting
top theorycrafters arent necessarily top parses in pve either
it's a different skil lset
vocal surge
^
potent pivot
You get the idea ye
rough rock
So I mean it’s either stick with whatever burst trickster will give since defense reason is out
Or go back FB for sustain
grave basin
the nikola tesla of our time
rough rock
I kinda feel like flawless form and 2 stacks will be somewhat decent but losing the defense part is horrible
stoic spruce
So I mean it’s either stick with whatever burst trickster will give since defens...
The nerds in outlaw found out it's still ahead
rough rock
By what percent
stoic spruce
They're still figuring it out
rough rock
Cause pve is super static anyways
rough rock
If the burst is still solid I can see a reason to keep it
potent pivot
Especially for most who didn’t run KS
rough rock
Otherwise I’d rather just go back to sustain
Yeah being more tanky was like a good reason as well besides the damage
Feel like I just got used to only two hooks lmao gonna be feel nice to have 4 again
rough rock
Outlaw tank spec when
stoic spruce
Hopefully never lolol
potent pivot
Did havoc get any buffs at all
stoic spruce
I'd check but I can't stomach looking at those notes again
exotic dove
Did havoc get any buffs at all
Not that I saw
gusty hedge
war yea but certainly not mm
mm already hurts after nerfs, now some are reverted ,plus 5% ability damage 10-11%boost to black arrow , 100% to steady shot. its not ground breaking but it will be noticeable
potent pivot
Did mage even get nerfed
molten hedge
ray 10% not m uch
potent pivot
I gotta look everything over when I get home in a bit
molten hedge
some fire nerf to burst but buffs to pyro and something else
arcane buffs
ice lance 6% iirc
potent pivot
So we got dumpstered and mage got a slap on the wrist nice nice
molten hedge
we got our highest cr playing frost sub rmp before any of the cloud stuff so may just revert to that
bc its techincally better
than when we got 1950 or whatever 3 weeks ago
rough rock
So we got dumpstered and mage got a slap on the wrist nice nice
My arcane mage will never get reasonably buffs
They keep trying to force the dumbass orb build that nobody wants to play and has so many bugs with it
Missiles at one point was doing less damage than a arcane blast 😭
potent pivot
lmao
rough rock
Havoc got nothing btw
rough rock
Yeah true
stoic spruce
I wish I wish I WISH that was the only notes we had
rough rock
Honestly the more I look at it the more I wonder why BTE caught a nerf lmao
fathom crag
I wish I wish I WISH that was the only notes we had
is there something else ?
tepid peak
assa shine time now?
grave basin
it's time
grave basin
there's always another brawler
better than you
ww / outlaw / fury just makes each other obsolete it's kinda funny how homogenized everything is
fathom crag
im sure outlaw will be fine tho
molten hedge
oh boy
stoic spruce
Idk cloud cover hard carried
stoic spruce
I'm talking to him the same as you lol
molten hedge
im messing lmao
grave basin
idk... mr trimaz..................... uwu bloud bower was kinda stwong
molten hedge
Im tweeting kasu
and clowning him
for getting walked like a dog
after switching rmp cartell
potent pivot
is there something else ?
ya
and the something else isn't small either
overall its like -10% if not more
rough rock
after switching rmp cartell
Bro that shit was insane
Like they genuinely looked defeated
fathom crag
what do we think is better between troll or gnome for warrior
proven field
I like gnome personally
potent pivot
what do we think is better between troll or gnome for warrior
i think gnome is still technically better for the on demand break, but troll should be less overall time spent snared/rooted
but only for arms iirc
because troll stacks with arms passive thing
potent pivot
probably
trickster might still be slightly ahead
but definitely not if you aren't using KS
don't see much reason to run it after this
fathom crag
maybe sub is better now not sure
potent pivot
sub got nerfed too
stoic spruce
Might be comp dependent tbh
fathom crag
the issue im having is that outlaw is the only spec able to deal w mages
rough rock
Yeah I mean if we are still doing solid damage I think we should be mid but not shadow realm like before
fathom crag
so cba qing sub cant stun any mage
stoic spruce
Trick is ahead of of FB by a few percent
So
Maybe it is matchup dependant after all
tepid peak
sub got nerfed too
doesnt 12 seconds is still enough to pump the target in ur burst window under cloak buff
rough rock
what do we think is better between troll or gnome for warrior
I’ve never pvpd with war do you just get to play mid every blitz game and never worry about anything
stoic spruce
I also have that question
rough rock
I’ve never seen omnivore happy
stoic spruce
I'd love to be relieved of rogue responsibility
potent pivot
doesnt 12 seconds is still enough to pump the target in ur burst window under cl...
the point is that sub did not need damage nerfs really
fathom crag
you can never lose mid for exemple or even get it few times and ur team loses every base. out of ur control but if ur fine w that then yeah sure
rough rock
Wonder if it’s more fun mid than dk
I’ve really only ever seriously pvpd with rogue/mage
stoic spruce
Wonder if it’s more fun mid than dk
DK sucks to play blitz :(
rough rock
Or balance where I get to press starfall all game
fathom crag
better than unholy for sure
stoic spruce
That's not a high bar
fathom crag
unholy kinda unplayable in blitz cus of so many mw qing
rough rock
Hmm I’m kinda torn between war, aff, or balance
stoic spruce
I wish I played more than Outlaw and Unholy
gusty hedge
Hmm I’m kinda torn between war, aff, or balance
im torn between which rogue ima play next
stoic spruce
Hmm I’m kinda torn between war, aff, or balance
I got Dreadblades back, it's just as fun as I remember it
rough rock
I got Dreadblades back, it's just as fun as I remember it
You are having too much fun
Imma get it nerfed there too
gg
rough rock
stoic spruce
I'm honestly envious of people who can just swap classes on a dime
I've played the same 3 specs for years
rough rock
I love my outlaw just sometimes I want to see how tf people lose mid so much
Ain’t no way I got 4 people on this base and you people are losing mid
stoic spruce
Probably playing before nerfs
molten hedge
@spring bough u good bubba?
stoic spruce
Why does this have to keep happening on my work week
sharp sierra
mm already hurts after nerfs, now some are reverted ,plus 5% ability damage 10-1...
I promise you
it's not going to be noticable at all
Hotfix:
Black Arrow damage reduced by 30%
Precise Shots effect reduced by 50%
Unload effect reduced by 50%
All damage reduced by 10%
New changes:
Black Arrow buffed by 11%
All damage increased by 5%.
jaunty terrace
It’s crazy every 2 weeks they massive nerf / up every class
Finally I’ll be able to play my rsham after 5 or 6 up or I have to wait 2 or 3 more weeks
lone jasper
https://x.com/craft12354/status/2050312689230954857?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5P...
This real?, diablo 4 visuals were always awesome, played 2 seasons, but its not my game. Got that new expansion, gonna try it if its real 😁
neat laurel
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy) - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
severe helm
yeah they shit on outlaw
pretty heavy
in pve it got a 5% flat damage buff
and still in ST its a 7% nerf
so in pvp we dont have that 5%
and we have an additional nerf on top
so total nerf is about 17% + the 15% bte nerf
severe helm
yeah were gona be about as bad as we were start of season ngl
untold remnant
I think someone should just vibe code a new game that is basically WoW arena, without the PvE stuff, so it’s easier to balance.
I’ll give it a go 😂
You can make your own character, race, class > don’t know about gearing progression yet > you play 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and 5v5 or 10v10 games
lone jasper
We will have 2x 3x warriors in every lobby soon 😁
lone jasper
Yeah my sub is canceled
Mine too, btw. 3 days already 😂
It would honestly be hilarious if a huge number of people unsubscribed and just stopped logging altogether.
I wonder what they’d do then, keep improving those decor duels anyway? 😂
dark moon
It would honestly be hilarious if a huge number of people unsubscribed and just ...
This needs to happen, but it won't, so it's whatever
So now sub fire or sub frost awc
maiden gull
Why do they need to completly gut the fun out of the Game for so many people is beyond me
You want be to even pressure any CD' with this nerfs
tepid peak
So now sub fire or sub frost awc
assa affli warlock to the stars
maiden gull
Yeah, then start with a small Nerf, but dont make the speccs unplayable. While mages keep their 20 Invis, ww is way more Broken than Outlaw. Anyways..
marble oasis
Won’t lie kinda worried about subs throughout now
marble oasis
Yeh it’s sorta giving my DF vibes.
Before everyone was geared they nerfed to make it level
But with every week people getting gear feels like we slip behind each time.
Least that’s my feelcrsft
verbal field
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy) - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
lone jasper
Please dont play assa Rogue, otherwise that spec is going o to be nerfed too 😂🙏
spring bough
<@913956782961995796> u good bubba?
🤷♂️
lone jasper
Big nerfs inc 🤣
spring bough
Big nerfs inc 🤣
Damn trimaz just giving up on outlaw like that 😭
rough rock
Quad hooks though…
lone jasper
Damn trimaz just giving up on outlaw like that 😭
lone jasper
Quad hooks though…
last jasper
Big nerfs inc 🤣
Since sub is under the radar, I hope it dodge the nerf bat once again
lone jasper
Ehy i love D4 rogue t2 so much
last jasper
The frost mage on other hand. Fck, I just leveled mine...
lone jasper
Since sub is under the radar, I hope it dodge the nerf bat once again <:HOLY:125...
not sure but sub got lil nerf also
last jasper
Everything’s going to be fine. It’s okay
It feels like next in the line is going to be dh 👀
last jasper
not sure but sub got lil nerf also
When?
lone jasper
It feels like next in the line is going to be dh 👀
Tbh, i dont understand that OP buffs on warr.
My bad, nothing special
Was drunk, while reading
fathom crag
Damn trimaz just giving up on outlaw like that 😭
gleaming sentinel
I wish they would like, let you refund your conquest or something like when the spec you play gets a ~18% nerf
dark moon
starting to think microsoft devouring blizzard was a mistake
grave basin
dog of the lob always barks loudest
grave basin
queue till you lose twice in a row then stop
grave basin
careful you might get someone calling you a fotmer
gleaming sentinel
since law gonna be dogwater for a bit
gleaming sentinel
careful you might get someone calling you a fotmer
totally fotm rolling a devourer
gleaming sentinel
i wanna do the collapsing star build
gleaming sentinel
idc
grave basin
if you get microd on the cast it goes on a 5 second cd
lavish flint
I wish they would like, let you refund your conquest or something like when the ...
yes, or let u change secondary stats. this is fkn stupid at this point
gleaming sentinel
yes, or let u change secondary stats. this is fkn stupid at this point
yea i'd to play some assa rogue for a bit at least
grave basin
I wish they would like, let you refund your conquest or something like when the ...
how do i hold all these Ws
gleaming sentinel
which one of u is this
warped gate
I never understood why he posts those surf emojis every single post.
But at the same time, I actually remember who he is unlike all the other forumites who just all bleed together as time goes on.
For fun, type "surf" in the search bar.
gleaming sentinel
i dont think i've intentionally read the forums since liek wrath of the lich king
lavish flint
yea i'd to play some assa rogue for a bit at least
seriously fk blizz for handling game balance like this with this stupid loot system
dark kernel
i dont think i've intentionally read the forums since liek wrath of the lich kin...
Yeah shit went the way of the dodo
lavish flint
I'd be fine with them fcking around with game balance if their loot system wasn't STUPID and LOCKING U IN
gleaming sentinel
Yeah shit went the way of the dodo
world quester housing mains trying to them whats wrong with the game
lavish flint
At least conquest is getting uncapped in a couple of weeks, but seriously i want blizzard to face the wrath of God rn
gleaming sentinel
will do some alt stuff for a bit
dark kernel
I've been playing Diablo 4 I'm like a whole week behind on conquest and my rogue is legit parked at 1948 rating rn lmao
stoic spruce
I'm actually so sad
Why does this happen on my week at work??
Always
Now I can't enjoy it while I can
And outlaw was good when it had the most mid transmog too
This game blows
gleaming sentinel
im gonna push hard as i can today lol
gleaming sentinel
we will call may 2nd push for popo day
lavish flint
It's just so stupid, the nerfs to outlaw are over the line. And I crafted haste everything lol. I feel like if ur not switching to sub or assa after the tuning ur nerfing urself hard
stoic spruce
I like that
stoic spruce
It's just so stupid, the nerfs to outlaw are over the line. And I crafted haste ...
Well if we go back to FB you're golden lol
lavish flint
Well if we go back to FB you're golden lol
maybe im mad asf and overreacting? but 5%- dmg overall and -15% between the eyes, that's a huge nerf imo
stoic spruce
My guy
gleaming sentinel
we'll there's also a 10% nerf if you take into consideration cloud cover lol
stoic spruce
If that's what you're mad at yes
gleaming sentinel
its closer to like 18% dmg lol
stoic spruce
maybe im mad asf and overreacting? but 5%- dmg overall and -15% between the eyes...
If it were just that, no one here would bat an eye
lavish flint
devourer main now
lmaoooo it's over
stoic spruce
Imma play outlaw after reset and see
But probably Legion main now
Or housing
Theres still pve ig
gleaming sentinel
Theres still pve ig
nerfed there too, lmaooo
lavish flint
Imma play outlaw after reset and see
gl i'm probably getting back on hunter, maybe druid and switching my rogue to sub or assa
stoic spruce
nerfed there too, lmaooo
On DK 
gleaming sentinel
outlwa fatebound still prob good in bgb
stoic spruce
Get dropped bozo lul
gleaming sentinel
i'll do some blitz next week
lavish flint
Just so fkn annoying when u spend all this time putting together a BIS set only to get fkn nerfed to the ground?????????
gleaming sentinel
Just so fkn annoying when u spend all this time putting together a BIS set only ...
lavish flint
Like WTF was all this time spend for ?????? fck blizz
stoic spruce
There was a TON of power in one talent so we should've seen this coming tbh
gleaming sentinel
yea i fully expected a cloud cover nerf
lavish flint
yea i fully expected a cloud cover nerf
me too but not overall -5% and -15% bte :/
gleaming sentinel
i just feel like the bte nerf was personal
lavish flint
i just feel like the bte nerf was personal
yes fr, it was a way to finish targets off without burst cds
stoic spruce
I'll miss having kill pressure out of adr
lavish flint
-15% to that ability oh wait its also nerfed 5% overall as well 😄 😄 😄
gleaming sentinel
gleaming sentinel
This iteration is just gonna be at the mercy of dmg tuning
At least before you could have a huge impact via control
frail ivy
Do you guys use an mmo mouse ? Cause I feel like I need another keyboard playing this game especially looking into the macros needed for cc😂
gleaming sentinel
Do you guys use an mmo mouse ? Cause I feel like I need another keyboard playing...
I play with a 20 dollar Walmart mouse on laptop
With no sound on
rough rock
I've been playing Diablo 4 I'm like a whole week behind on conquest and my rogue...
How is new dlc I forgot I bought it. I tried paladin instead of my rogue for once when I last played and ruined the game for myself 🤣
Warlock looks fun tho
dark kernel
How is new dlc I forgot I bought it. I tried paladin instead of my rogue for onc...
It's good so far. Blizzard completely revamped how Loot works and how you gear your character so it's no longer AIDS
rough rock
It's good so far. Blizzard completely revamped how Loot works and how you gear y...
Yeah I need to check that out I heard it was massive changes
dark kernel
Yeah I need to check that out I heard it was massive changes
Modern blizzard is just....yesh
I don't trust it'll stick. But I usually have enough fun with D4. I REALLY want it offline.
dark kernel
my fav way to play D3
Lots of people like this
frail ivy
It's good so far. Blizzard completely revamped how Loot works and how you gear y...
What is the fastest way to gear for PvP?
frail ivy
48 if I tried
Wild
quaint cedar
I'm just hoping that outlaw will feel fine still with fatebound. You dodge most of the nerfs that way and I always preferred it anyways. But 5% overall nerf sucks and bte nerf feels mean. I don't understand why other specs get to dominate for so long and outlaw just gets kicked in the teeth within a week or two of being meta.
lavish flint
I'm just hoping that outlaw will feel fine still with fatebound. You dodge most ...
tbh i'm just gonna be real i think this is cope but i wish it wasn't, might as well switch to sub or outlaw if u want to be relevant in the meta
quaint cedar
I'm not sure myself. I played fatebound before cloud cover got buffed and it felt good.
But we have the additional pvp nerfs now
rough rock
I'm just hoping that outlaw will feel fine still with fatebound. You dodge most ...
At least we aren’t getting sent to the shadow realm as usual
quaint cedar
I'm not switching specs though. Assa and sub are boring as shit. I'll just unsub if it's that bad
rough rock
Still will feel better than the first month we had to deal with
quaint cedar
Yeah exactly. Maybe it is cope but I don’t think the sky is falling yet
stoic spruce
Still will feel better than the first month we had to deal with
relying on adr/jackpot/ace at the same time to kill was so bad lol
rough rock
Yeah actually having to wait for zero in was the worst
quaint cedar
And frankly I'm just happy we got tuned in a normal way instead of some fried change that makes the spec unfun to play like usual. Stuff like the Ace nerf in DF
rough rock
Ehhh the nerfs were a bit heavy handed
Bte didn’t need to catch a 15%
That was just rude lol
rough rock
Yeah having burst was fun
quaint cedar
Oh agreed. But it doesn't completely fuck the gameplay like some of the changes we got in the past. Hell we still have that stupid CDR nerf from TWW
rough rock
True
quaint cedar
trickster was doing a lot of the heavy lifting
Nah outlaw was fine before that. The question is will it be fine still with the 5% ability nerf and 15% bte nerf.
Bte nerf especially feels uncalled for
maiden gull
Secondary Stat budget
Fateound Outlaw was completly fine, now it will be unplayable, you don't have any kill pressure anymore, 20% on bte
Fuck Blizzard and fuck this game
quaint cedar
I hope AWC just fucking dies some day. Every single outlaw nerf since SL has been because of AWC.
maiden gull
In top of the stamina buffs
Arms Warrior buffs, affli buffs 😂😂
They are so clueless it hurts
stoic spruce
on a scale of bad-very good it'll be okay but im not going to sit here and pretend its all going to be okay when you compare the performance on monday to tuesday
esp when warr got made sweet love with
thats the last thing we need rn, a warrior meta
idk if im in the business of letting it slide anymore
stoic spruce
ok
stoic spruce
I wouldnt be too sure just yet, they may be equal
novel karma
Wouldn't you want fatebound in that case then?
quaint cedar
If they are equal then we probably want fatebound anyways because of the mobility
stoic spruce
depending on what im up against
novel karma
Well in what situations trickster is better at for example?
lime oar
i’ll fight a bunch of moron fotm warriors any day of the week
stoic spruce
yeah they all have that zug brain
novel karma
They pummel so much damage on you but after a long fight you overcome them
stoic spruce
yeah thats such a bitch slap
quaint cedar
I think the bte nerf sucks more tbh. But yeah they should have just nerfed cloud cover and left the rest alone.
stoic spruce
rip 150% PS crit mod
quaint cedar
Current outlaw is legit the first time I've truly enjoyed this spec since SL
stoic spruce
yeah its fun
quaint cedar
Now that crackshot is gone I realize how dogshit it really was. Could never go back to that playstyle
novel karma
I quite enjoyed tww but gameplay wise this version for me is quite an improvement
quaint cedar
Popo was right all along
novel karma
Still needs some quirks fixed (energy regen) but overall nice
quaint cedar
I liked TWW in S1. After the CDR nerf in S2 though I quit. Spec felt horrible
stoic spruce
Popo was right all along
I was championing it week 2 of DF S2
so imagine my relief learning it was finally gone lol
novel karma
Crackshot sort of exists, sometimes you pop off in keys
quaint cedar
lol yeah I remember
abstract stratus
in reality how functional is dashing scoundral because i cant personally tell a difference
quaint cedar
And I was coping so hard trying to convince myself it was fun.
stoic spruce
I think a lot of people did because theres a suspicious amount of criticism towards it now that its gone
stoic spruce
in reality how functional is dashing scoundral because i cant personally tell a ...
the legion set?
it was okay
stoic spruce
some blue guys know red things because they have no loyalty
stoic spruce
CRACKSHOT SYMAPTHIZER GET HIM
gusty hedge
CRACKSHOT SYMAPTHIZER GET HIM
quaint cedar
I think a lot of people did because theres a suspicious amount of criticism towa...
Yeah true. I think for me I just really liked the idea of crackshot. Always liked the gun and wanted outlaw to have burst. But in practice it just made outlaw shit outside of subterfuge and all you did between was farm AR and vanish back. Was so shit. I like sustain damage much better on outlaw.
novel karma
Outlaw could have burst if they turned killing spree into an actual cooldown
stoic spruce
KS but pillar or something idk
novel karma
Put it on a static cd and make it do damage
quaint cedar
Outlaw could have burst if they turned killing spree into an actual cooldown
Not with its current design. Way to easy to avoid it or get interrupted, and it still hits pets
novel karma
And adjust the spread damage component
quaint cedar
Just a dogshit button
stoic spruce
I do think thats in its future tbh
gleaming sentinel
some blue guys know red things because they have no loyalty
Playing only 1 spec or class is setting yourself up for disappointment
stoic spruce
Not with its current design. Way to easy to avoid it or get interrupted, and it ...
I assume he meant it in a way that itd be fixed
stoic spruce
Playing only 1 spec or class is setting yourself up for disappointment
good thing I play 2
novel karma
Gotta play other classes
stoic spruce
outlaw, unholy, and blood
novel karma
Frost dk got buffed, might have to check that out
gleaming sentinel
No loyalty smh
quaint cedar
Nothing else is fun like outlaw though
stoic spruce
nope
quaint cedar
Closest for me is feral but it ain't the same
novel karma
Hasn't survival gained some gun abilities
Sometimes I see the BOOMSTICK in their damage breakdown
quaint cedar
Yeah
stoic spruce
sometimes surv and warr
quaint cedar
But I can't get past how fried their spec fantasy is. Why the fuck is the melee hunter throwing bombs?
novel karma
Actually ye I might just level a survival hunter
novel karma
You gotta find ways survive, throwing bombs is one of those ways
stoic spruce
But I can't get past how fried their spec fantasy is. Why the fuck is the melee ...
because its more like, believe it or not, an outlaw/doom prepper
not really a congo boy anymore
like how outlaw is a cowboy instead a pirate
gleaming sentinel
That ryrog guy was an outlaw 1 trick and straight up uninstalled after 20% rb nerf
quaint cedar
Tbh I wish survival could equip a gun. Only hunters can use ranged weapons and they really took it away from one of their specs
quaint cedar
That ryrog guy was an outlaw 1 trick and straight up uninstalled after 20% rb ne...
Yeah that's basically what I did too lol
stoic spruce
I legit wouldve taken a massive aura nerf over that
or anything at all
and thats not sarcasm, that was the worst outcome
because pvp mods last foreverrrrrr
rough rock
Well in what situations trickster is better at for example?
Burst, if burst is still decent I imagine we will still run trickster
Cause there’s zero burst with fb
novel karma
Fair enough
grave basin
whaaz already on the warrior
stoic spruce
Okay let's think about this for a minute though
S1 usually kind of sucks
S2 we get RtB tier and are good
And S3 it's mid again
rough rock
If shadowlands had dragon flying I swear TWW would be the worst expansion
grave basin
Playing only 1 spec or class is setting yourself up for disappointment
truve nuke
novel karma
And S3 it's mid again
In pvp?
grave basin
if you enjoy brawlers just have ww outlaw and fury all geared up
stoic spruce
In general
grave basin
and you can just swap between them
novel karma
S3 tww outlaw was really bad across all 3 gamemodes, maybe mid at best in PvP
stoic spruce
Yeah S3 tww outlaw was an anomaly and shouldn't be counted in the data actually
novel karma
That's why the reactions at the pve channel are so passionate
stoic spruce
All rogue specs sucked
novel karma
Well Shadowlands season 3 outlaw was competing with tanks in raids and keys
But was the most broken pvp spec
It took them 6 months to buff outlaw in pve for it to be good, around season 4
And sub was pretty good in manaforge raid prog I'd argue
Just not the most fun spec to reclear with
quaint cedar
TWW outlaw post rb nerf was inexcusably bad
gleaming sentinel
Yea idk I’m gonna explore different classes for a little
outer sky
I love how Outlaw was good for like 2 weeks then this happens LOL
quaint cedar
I called it too because I knew that in S2 we got rb nerfed because of the crazy cdr from the tier set, and then in S3 we lost that tier set and kept the nerf 🤣
rough rock
I love how Outlaw was good for like 2 weeks then this happens LOL
Is your aff buddy happy
outer sky
I called it too because I knew that in S2 we got rb nerfed because of the crazy ...
Yeah thats just what blizzard does. Youre pretty much always better off getting a flat aura nerf than a pvp modifier because pvp modifiers never go away. The fact that Outlaw's feint talent is still nerfed is crazy
outer sky
Is your aff buddy happy
Not really
gusty hedge
all these s3 tww outlaw haters couldnt play the spec
thats all im seeeing is a skill issue
gleaming sentinel
all these s3 tww outlaw haters couldnt play the spec
thats all im seeeing is a ...
My best season was s3
gusty hedge
was peak!
gleaming sentinel
Peak
gusty hedge
gleaming sentinel
outer sky
Im just bummed that assa didn't catch a buff
stoic spruce
Lol get fucked
gleaming sentinel
I wanna play assa
outer sky
Im also not happy about the flat stam increase
Assa is legit only as good as its able to kill people in a kidney shot with Kingsbane
Which means a flat stam buff to everyone is functionally an assa nerf
gleaming sentinel
I love how devourer is also going the same path that devastation did. Starts off as squishy glass cannon then they tweak it to a sustained passive tank
These devs are crushing it
abstract stratus
i mean sudden demise and zoldyks doesnt care about a stam buff no?
quaint cedar
I love how devourer is also going the same path that devastation did. Starts off...
I think sustained passive tank is the only playstyle these devs know how to make now
gleaming sentinel
Consume spam by season 3 watch
quaint cedar
Every pvp change is just nerf burst by x%, buff sustain, buff passive defensives. For every spec
Kinda boring tbh
outer sky
i mean sudden demise and zoldyks doesnt care about a stam buff no?
Ofc they do. The more stam people have the more damage you need to do before getting them to the zolyck and sudden demise thresholds. And the more bleed damage you need on the target for sudden demise to proc. Because it requires the target being below 10% hp but with a stam buff thats 10% of a larger number
quaint cedar
I miss when we had more variety. Now every melee is just a different colored warrior
gleaming sentinel
I miss when we had more variety. Now every melee is just a different colored war...
The mythic plus effect
outer sky
But zoldyck/demise arent even the issue. Im not joking when I say at minimum 80% of my wins in arena as assa are because I basically 100-0d somebody in a kidney with Kingsbane/Implacable Strikes
A stam buff makes that harder to do
abstract stratus
Ofc they do. The more stam people have the more damage you need to do before get...
is it 5 or 10? notes said 5 i thought
outer sky
So basically assa got nerfed
outer sky
is it 5 or 10? notes said 5 i thought
10% is the sudden demise threshold
For it to proc
abstract stratus
right right
outer sky
Any time hp is buffed, classes that win by killing in CC functionally get nerfed more than classes that win with raw pressure
Simply because bigger hp pools make it harder to get kills during your CC
abstract stratus
itll prolly be fine considering the track record theyll fuck with something else in a week
stoic spruce
Remember when they buffed ret before we could even get conq weapons?
gleaming sentinel
Most popular spec it’s never getting the kinda nerf other specs get
outer sky
Remember when they buffed ret before we could even get conq weapons?
To the extent to which blizzard does care about pvp, they care about making sure ret paladins are always capable of carrying trash tier players. Because too many people rely on that spec to get them 300-400mmr above where they'd be on any other class/spec to achieve their seasonal goals
I played ret for like a week last season before I got bored of its Fisher Price rotation and generally boring gameplay but one thing I remember was never feeling like I didnt have a button when I needed one
It felt like I could only ever lose if I fucked up. Like the other team needed me to make critical errors in order to win.
It still blows my mind that currently ret has every single healing/team external that hpal does
Plus their sac is on a shorter CD than hpal
And they have sanc
Like why does a dps spec have every button its own class' healing spec has
gusty hedge
" Fisher Price Rotation "
gleaming sentinel
lets see if i can gain 160 rating today
outer sky
sub outlaw assa prot pal lobby
I think the best thing about assa right now is actually that its so under-played that people dont even know what it does. So they dont react fast enough to its one shot because they dont even realize it has one or what it is
Ive killed so many people without them pressing their defensives
abstract stratus
shit
i renamed my pally
because i had a realm swap and was rapid firing dumb names
stoic spruce
<@530563212093947914> how big are the uh dk pve nerfs
Slap on the wrist. 5% AoE 1.6% ST
abstract stratus
odds of getting reported?
grave basin
really? thosenerfs looks big
outer sky
odds of getting reported?
I know a guy with 2 characters he plays frequently who's names both contain the full R word that means not very smart that im not allowed to say in here. No special spellings, no weird characters. Just the word. And he hasn't been banned or even flagged for a name change yet
abstract stratus
lmao ight im good then
gleaming sentinel
holy fuck this lobby is aids
i am full jump
1-2 and the rogue leaves
sick sick
outer sky
1-2 and the rogue leaves
Did you report the tank for gameplay sabotage?
I always do that whenever I see one in rated arena
gleaming sentinel
im just logging out bro
stoic spruce
really? thosenerfs looks big
This but like
Worse and more often
I wish it had that in pvp
Yalld never hear from me again
lavish flint
But I can't get past how fried their spec fantasy is. Why the fuck is the melee ...
because blizzard are literally LOST when it comes to class fantasy these days
lavish flint
Yeah exactly. Maybe it is cope but I don’t think the sky is falling yet
the sky is falling, time to switch specs
gleaming sentinel
me fr
lavish flint
why wouldnt they just nerf outlaw down to sub levels? why would they nerf it way past that? f bllizzz
gleaming sentinel
i didnt think fatebound outlaw before these big buffs was taht bad
grave basin
lifetime devourer main
not a dh main since vanilla? smh my headset
maiden gull
i didnt think fatebound outlaw before these big buffs was taht bad
Now it is bad, the 20% on bte is to much. Outlaw will be unplayable. Arms and WW Monks will Shit on every Rogue spec
Trickster needed a nerf, and they got one.
In the same Patch they buff enhance burst 😂
dark moon
Now it is bad, the 20% on bte is to much. Outlaw will be unplayable. Arms and WW...
its literally happened every time - nerfed into unplayable
traditions and consistency - blizzard entertainment
gleaming sentinel
Now it is bad, the 20% on bte is to much. Outlaw will be unplayable. Arms and WW...
gonna try out devourer, will be nice to able to tank m+ so i can actually get invites
we'll see
severe helm
Yeah 20% nerf inc
Gona hurt
The cloud cover nerf is around 12%
Then we get 5% on top flat
Then we get 15% bte
spring bough
@gusty hedge this new ritual site is too ez
lavish flint
Now it is bad, the 20% on bte is to much. Outlaw will be unplayable. Arms and WW...
blizzard destroyed my favourite spec! crying mentally rn, it is what it is
i remember vanish cheap shotting a dps, grapple hooking to get in range of healer to blind and then pistol shotting the 3rd dps to death. rip we had a good run
it’s much better for the health of the game overall to do 5% nerfs / buffs at a time and see how it goes than gutting a spec people have taken time to learn / gear
molten hedge
Nothing amazing
it was the 2nd best melee after ww
molten hedge
Yeah 20% nerf inc
it's a 20% nerf maybe if u were playing trickster. it's not that severe if u just play fatebound
grave basin
it was the 2nd best melee after ww
buddy is already thinking the unthinkable
molten hedge
buddy is already thinking the unthinkable
lmao im just asking we playing sub frost
fair adder
!gear
maiden gull
blizzard destroyed my favourite spec! crying mentally rn, it is what it is
Yeah same, can't enjoy any other specc that much sadly so i have to just stop playing.
Even as fatebound the nerfs hurt, we had nothing left but damage and a bit of burst
severe helm
it's a 20% nerf maybe if u were playing trickster. it's not that severe if u jus...
Yeah as fatebound its prob like 8%
outer sky
This warrior had a rank 1 title btw
unreal
Hate lobbies like that
every game with the warrior was unwinnable
spring bough
so devourer only caught a 5% ST and aoe nerf... might have to reroll rest of season
spec still gonna be doing 150k plus crits on things lmaooo
potent pivot
My bad, nothing special
That is a very big nerf
spring bough
all void sets unlocked... what else is there to do this season
potent pivot
it's a 20% nerf maybe if u were playing trickster. it's not that severe if u jus...
I thought outlaw was “going to be fine” ??
potent pivot
all void sets unlocked... what else is there to do this season
Level warrior ig
spring bough
Level warrior ig
Think I’m just gonna vibe with Devourer again lol
molten hedge
I thought outlaw was “going to be fine” ??
I was saying just swap fatebound bc it was good before trickster. Trickster made it op. I’m not saying outlaw will be the best melee. Just don’t think it’s gonna be F tier like ppl are saying. We shall see though man
I could be totally wrong fs
potent pivot
I was saying just swap fatebound bc it was good before trickster. Trickster made...
i mean i don't think it will be F tier
molten hedge
Ok agree!
outer sky
Just so fkn annoying when u spend all this time putting together a BIS set only ...
Back in Shadowlands Season 1 they made it so you couldnt swap covenants and aggressively tuned them after people already made their decision about which one to go. Kyrian was BiS for rogue by far so I went Kyrian and then they nerfed it by over 50% and it became terrible but I was stuck with it. They didnt allow covenant changes until later in the expansion even though the playerbase was saying they should allow that from the get go legit since before the Shadowlands pre-patch even dropped.
At least with gear you can always make another set
crimson widget
what trinkets should i use in bg blitz?
i have like 0 knowledge of pvp gearing kekw
potent pivot
what trinkets should i use in bg blitz?
i have like 0 knowledge of pvp gearing k...
spec?
crimson widget
sub
crimson widget
galactic gladiators badge?
potent pivot
yea
we run insignia in arena
badge in blitz
so if u focus blitz just get badge and use it everywhere
crimson widget
oke, ty
just want to get 1950 rating for the illusion :p
potent pivot
yeh just grind blitz
gleaming sentinel
Trill playing fate
potent pivot
insanely easy
potent pivot
Trill playing fate
trill playing a weird build altogether
crimson widget
i usually just focus healers and vanish away if there is too much going on kekw
potent pivot
as sub you want to be focusing objectives
its one of the strongest specs in the game for blitz
crimson widget
oh, so i just try to get an objective and go to the next one
potent pivot
you kinda carry the games if you're good
potent pivot
oh, so i just try to get an objective and go to the next one
try to steal objectives, stop enemy from stealing, etc
crimson widget
i felt super useful when ganking some guys doing a 1v1 at an objective as they literally just explode in a 2v1
though ret palas seem to be the bane of my existence
potent pivot
ye rets annoy everyone
you can kinda learn when going for a base is a lost cause over time
i'm not a blitz expert by any means
sub just has so much cc that it can do a lot to steal/disrupt
hybrid sapphire
Outlaw just got a huge transmog buff wtf
potent pivot
what
spring bough
Outlaw just got a huge transmog buff wtf
you talkin bout the back sheathe?
hybrid sapphire
no lol I’m talking about this outlaw-style xmog on wowhead they just published
potent pivot
you mean from yesterday?
hybrid sapphire
Ya
potent pivot
spring bough
hat n belt were cool idk about the rest lol
outer sky
though ret palas seem to be the bane of my existence
Ret is the most ass busted thing in the game. No idea why a dps spec has every healing external its own class' healing spec has
spring bough
Ret is the most ass busted thing in the game. No idea why a dps spec has every h...
im thinking i might level mine F it LOL
cant beat em.... join em?
outer sky
im thinking i might level mine F it LOL
You can beat em but its usually just because the average ret main has an IQ below freezing
outer sky
You can beat em but its usually just because the average ret main has an IQ belo...
In Celsius
outer sky
im thinking i might level mine F it LOL
Its also extremely boring to play
2 buttons and everything procs for you because blizzard knows rets dont have the mental bandwidth to actually press their shit
potent pivot
double outlaw
both playing diff builds
first lethality of awc i think
@spring bough
spring bough
bet it does well
lavish flint
Back in Shadowlands Season 1 they made it so you couldnt swap covenants and aggr...
lmao i remember, crazy times fr
potent pivot
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-power-from-the-omnium-folio-does-not-take-a-gea...
isn't that pve
lime oar
yeah but regardless it’s stupid
potent pivot
idk its similar to like
the stacking buff you get in the raid every week
its basically free
woven gale
Very Western
woven gale
dmg is disgusting
I still don't get what people are doing to 1 shot with Devourer
potent pivot
https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-power-from-the-omnium-folio-does-not-take-a-gea...
it doesn't actually say pve only anywhere
so maybe itll be for pvp too
none of the spelldata has pvp modifiers on it yet though
so no telling
usually if stuff like this worked in pvp it'd be auto nerfed
potent pivot
I still don't get what people are doing to 1 shot with Devourer
their Meta hunt
the first hunt is normal
but once they build up their Meta they get a buffed hunt etc
i forget what its called
predator's wake?
oh they're nerfing the tank embellishment in pvp next reset too
spring bough
hit a dungeon with ret this dmg is insane lol
potent pivot
lmaoooooooooooooooooo
spring bough
3 button chumps is crazy ez
spring bough
changed some ret talents i got evn less buttons now XD
strange trellis
I'm catching bits and pieces since I'm at work but I saw the cloud cover nerf but why are people saying Trickster is dead? We didn't even have this version of cloud cover two weeks ago
quick temple
this goes hard af
potent pivot
I'm catching bits and pieces since I'm at work but I saw the cloud cover nerf bu...
the main reason cloud cover was so strong was because it tripled all Fazed interactions. making the cloud talent worth +10% dps.
those interactions are being removed
they're also making it only 2 stacks of Fazed for outlaw
strange trellis
Right but weren't most of us Trickster before this talent?
potent pivot
the juice ain't worth the squeeze. especially if you don't run KS.
potent pivot
Right but weren't most of us Trickster before this talent?
for outlaw? absolutely not
and in pvp for some reason most people don't run KS
trickster will still be a couple % ahead of fatebound, but only if you run KS
strange trellis
Oh no I'm sub. Lol I forgot we still have Outlaw players
potent pivot
...
strange trellis
That makes a lot more sense now
gleaming sentinel
potent pivot
That makes a lot more sense now
this is why you mention spec for context when asking stuff
strange trellis
Yea my bad
potent pivot
but sub is getting a nerf it didn't need
so instead of trickster being dead
its sub being dead
gleaming sentinel
Praying on subs downfall
potent pivot
they gave sub a +7% compensation buff in pve to counteract the trickster nerfs
and zero compensation in pvp
woven gale
I can never tell on BGBlitz when im getting true sub 1500 players or just someone who got hard carried.
fathom crag
and zero compensation in pvp
Outlaw is clearly out of control in PvP but fk me they suck at tunings they legit make something god tier then terrible
same for MM hunters from god to awful
woven gale
Just had a warr flame Rogue and Mage for being forced to base def and then ask for help with the endless 1v2/1v3 we both were dealing with
fathom crag
they getting buffed now tho
woven gale
(They couldn't win 6v4 on farm and refused to leave farm)
potent pivot
Outlaw is clearly out of control in PvP but fk me they suck at tunings they legi...
yeah. the only reason outlaw got out of control was by their own mistake too
fatebound outlaw was perfectly fine before this
fathom crag
ye i feel like it was good but not CRAZY broken
potent pivot
they fucked up and made the cloud cover change that interacted with talents it shouldn't have interacted with
so now the spec goes shadow realm
strange trellis
As someone who doesn't really play Outlaw why is it so swingey when it comes to being good or not? Relies on procs?
potent pivot
punished for blizzard's shit coding
potent pivot
As someone who doesn't really play Outlaw why is it so swingey when it comes to ...
it's a consistent damage based spec. very small burst compared to most specs. if its good it tops meters, when its bad its a tickle monster.
woven gale
As someone who doesn't really play Outlaw why is it so swingey when it comes to ...
Just feels like they get curb stomped and left to anguish any time they become meta.
potent pivot
the fact that fatebound is also catching a 5-8% nerf from these changes
gleaming sentinel
It’s basically only been nerfed since I started playing it lol
potent pivot
should show how out of touch they are to everyone that plays the game
i knew nerfs would come and that was fine imo, but i thought they'd fix the fucked up cloud cover and leave it at that
strange trellis
Am I looking at an older version of the upcoming patch notes? Not seeing fatebound mentioned