pvp

[stoic spruce]

Thank you

[spring bough]

The urge to just light someone up when they don’t peel or do some stupid shit

[stoic spruce]

You're one of my favorites for a reason

I've no idea what it is

Sub is good

[crystal wagon]

Toxic? But we have poisons so its RP not ToS

[stoic spruce]

I go slep now bye

[crystal wagon]

Have good slep!

[gleaming sentinel]

Vancleef: "why does god give me his toughest battles?"

[stoic spruce]

Thanks

[crystal wagon]

I have a coworker who always gets himself into trouble then asks why his life is harder than everyone else

[spring bough]

I should just start being like aggressively nice to people but with the opposite intent behind it or something

[crystal wagon]

@spring bough that's what I'm saying. Just help someone kill that elite, then spam sap them so they know to be thankful.

[stoic spruce]

@gusty hedge I got a raise at work

[crystal wagon]

Maybe a quick cheap shot and run off

[spring bough]

Go to bed

[stoic spruce]

Okie doke

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-drunk-leo-leonardo-di-caprio-cheers-gif-10195246

[crystal wagon]

Wait he was about to give us money I think

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-6451222253771109400

[crystal wagon]

You guys seem cool, if I struggle with rogue can I be a major pain in your asses?

Does cheap and kidney DR each other?

[pastel burrow]

You gotta buy us dinner first

Oh

[gusty hedge]

i still get people flaming me for having no rating or rating under 2k with minimal matches played
i just try to ignore it now knowing ill body them any day of the week

[pastel burrow]

Yes they do

[spring bough]

They second someone whispers “I went to check PvP” instant ignore

[gusty hedge]

Welcome to the list !

[crystal wagon]

It doesn't matter if your rank 1 someone going to talk shit about you

[pastel burrow]

True

[gusty hedge]

facts! some are just more toxic than others idgi

[crystal wagon]

I try to be helpful, like hunter you can cap that node if you use freezing trap. But nooo aimed shot is betta

[gusty hedge]

i got flamed last night from a dk who went 2/4 saying i thought outlaw damage was busted, then went to pvp check me meanwhile i was cc'd almost everyround more than half the game on every go

after that round he said that, the following round he died to my Bte

[frail ivy]

Wait how do you break their stealth ?

[crystal wagon]

Stealth seems buggy, it was last expand too? Randomly taking you out. Or is that fixed?

[gusty hedge]

black powder aoe

[gusty hedge]

fixed mostly, in blitz on eots going over any of the bridges takes you outta stealth, affecting rogues only

basically gott go thru mid lower lvl to sneak bases

[crystal wagon]

Oh really? That's great info I didn't know that.

[frail ivy]

Oh okay that’s pretty cool, but I’m guessing they got to be on top of me for the BP to hit them right, at which point I’m probably already cheap shotted😂

[crystal wagon]

Can Sub solo healers? I was able to get a resto druid to 20% quick and then they just lived forever and slowly Regen despite kicks and CC

[gusty hedge]

almost but pretty much shouldnt be able to kill a healer solo, if a healer panics or messes up its GG
sub might me able to do it on 3rd go if not 2nd, if its dragged out prolly on 4th -5th before enemy cds return

[crystal wagon]

Stupid question, but wound in pvp always right? And crippling

[gusty hedge]

yeah wound/cripp 100%

[crystal wagon]

Thought so, gonna try to finish getting my rogue to 90 and get some conquest going. Thanks so much for the info!!

[gleaming sentinel]

yea we gettin nerfed....

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[gleaming sentinel]

guess i do 1 more for the 2.1 and log out til final week of season

[crystal wagon]

What spec?

[gleaming sentinel]

i play outlaw

[crystal wagon]

Good don't get sub nerfed

I havent even gotten to 90 yet

[spring bough]

I refuse to believe in nerfs

Gonna be staring at my computer for notes tonight

Saying countless prayers and whatever else I gotta do for 0 outlaw nerfs

[gleaming sentinel]

im the worst sub player NA, frankly one of the worst outlaws too

[spring bough]

Maybe a buff??? 👀

[gusty hedge]

Degen ques going up

[gleaming sentinel]

delulu

[crystal wagon]

@gleaming sentinel My rogues name is The worst...with a fancy o so I'm sure I'll take that title soon enough

[gleaming sentinel]

LOL

im the kinda outlaw that rolls the bones and they fall off the table

[crystal wagon]

@gleaming sentinel My shadow dances frequently heal people

[gleaming sentinel]

my pistol shot misses

[gusty hedge]

degen ques

[gleaming sentinel]

its outlaw time

[gusty hedge]

sad to say this is sub

[spring bough]

Why u doing those people like that 😭

[crystal wagon]

Damn that's a hell of an increase from one game

[gleaming sentinel]

those were some short rounds lol

[gusty hedge]

they were

[teal plank]

you can basically do that with Night Elf by getting the Dark Ranger customization, and you get the BiS racial

[crystal wagon]

AWC hype!

[proven field]

Don't you necro my vampire post!

[broken prism]

👋 which sub rogues makes the best educational content?

[gleaming sentinel]

aight boys duelist obtained

[spring bough]

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[gleaming sentinel]

lil 4-2 in a feral, destro, frost mage lob

[silent linden]

Everyone is playing outlaw now?

[proven field]

i think the entire planet is

it's like Pirates of the Caribbean came out, and it's October 31st

Just... fucking Jack Sparrows everywhere

https://klipy.com/gifs/jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-9--k01KQJA9NR8JWQW5VG7QKRQPYCQ

[dark moon]

The awc twitch chat is diabolical

[gusty hedge]

[harsh kiln]

Rmd into rmd is a snoozefest

[rugged jewel]

This lethality pistol shot build is fun. Won all my games today so far

[spring bough]

🔥

[dark moon]

whaazz playing next

hopefully they win so i wont lose my channel points 😄

oh, they are playing vs kasu

[spring bough]

L O L

I hope kasu loses every round

[rough rock]

God I can’t wait to see his rage tweets

[dark moon]

same, for the reason Rune mentioned

its like watching cdews tweets after a loss

[rough rock]

What is their feral even doing

He just runs around doing nothing lmao

[dark moon]

i think tonyferalmovies blocked whaazz in the past, on twitter, cause he was crying about rmp or something, which adds insult to injury

[dark moon]

scared of the RMP cartel 🤣

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw getting nerfino

[rough rock]

I’m calling 8 tweets by kasu today, any bet takers?

[dark moon]

i think 3

[dark moon]

ye, would be wild outlaw to dodge nerfs, especially after that 121k resto druid starsurge

but the twitch chat is only rmp cartel, and nerf rogue/mage or buff rogue/mage ironically

its disgusting to read actually

[gleaming sentinel]

no comp diversity kinda sucks tbh.

[dark moon]

true, but thats the balance in a nutshell

and also human nature to pick the path of least resistance and the best classes

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/oopsies-ohno-gif-25793283

[dark moon]

hopefully its a cosmetic nerf, cause I dont want the tweets to stop

[gleaming sentinel]

even if they reverted that static buff we

[dark moon]

i've decreased my salt intake just so i can endure them

[gleaming sentinel]

would be chillin tbh

[gusty hedge]

If they revert that menacing rush nerf too

[rough rock]

I think it’s gonna be that -12% and no more 3 stacks

[gleaming sentinel]

it would be joever in that case

[gusty hedge]

^^^ back to fate bound

[dark moon]

kasu's team went RMP

those tweets gonna feel different

assa holy frost

[rough rock]

LOOOOO

[dark moon]

they joined the cartel 😄

just earned the rights to get clowned

[spring bough]

We need to be positive. Positive thoughts. Positive results

[gleaming sentinel]

MM hunter op for 2 days and gets nerf unplayable… outlaw rogue so op but nobody talking about this #cartel i am full jump

[gleaming sentinel]

rmp just lost, checkmate losers

[rough rock]

bro

that was sad

[dark moon]

ayo, Ven said assa is inferior

[rough rock]

lol

[dark moon]

i feel called out for playing it 😄

[dark kernel]

That game was awful

[gusty hedge]

About to go 0-6 on the sub after 5-1 4-2 lol

[gleaming sentinel]

GET OFF THAT SPEC

wow i did not mean to type in caps

[gusty hedge]

1-5

CCD all game every match holy hell

mass invis is so toxic lol

double mage shammy press priest

shammy threw first 2 games is sus

[outer sky]

Wasn't it OP for like 6 months last season and never nerfed?

[outer sky]

Im hoping for buffs tonight. I want assa rogue and affliction lock to get buffs

Even like 5% would be huge

[gleaming sentinel]

The hivemind forgot about that

[outer sky]

Legit 0 chance outlaw survives this AWC unnerfed

Outlaw/Fire/Rdruid
Outlaw/Frost/Rdruid
Outlaw/Fire/MW
Outlaw/Frost/MW

Lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

NA will have double outlaw tomorrow too lol

[rough rock]

a sin/aff meta sounds so fun and frustrating lol

[wanton breach]

wtf just happened in AWC

[potent pivot]

No shot

[potent pivot]

The hunter dced

And his team didn’t realize until right after they jumped down

So they left the game instantly when they realized

But the hunter dced before gates opened

Which should be a remake

[outer sky]

Wtb DF S4

[wanton breach]

holy crap they got fucked

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

[potent pivot]

Production is being insanely stupid

Holy

People are gonna riot lmao

[wanton breach]

i feel bad for them losing to that must feel awful

[potent pivot]

yea thats gotta be devastating

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

lmao someone talking about losing money on the game

[rough rock]

Kasu up again

https://tenor.com/view/ferass18-gif-7869831930024597864

[dark kernel]

Blizzard wanted fury warrior rogue so they made it happen and I guess after enough template damage it all works out

[rough rock]

i swear the feral just does nothing the entire game

[quick temple]

im gonna go ahead and say it

[spring bough]

That’s Druid for u

[quick temple]

its crazy ppl dont play killing spree

[last jasper]

he shapeshift tho

[spring bough]

Are they at least playing lethality

[quick temple]

think lethality has its merits but if the spec wasnt overtuned we'd be back to illusion of choice

and playing supercharger or trace and playing dispatcher and killing spree

like pistol shot shouldnt still be at a 120% modifier lol

like think about it you're skipping 30% dam on finishers and ignoring unseen blade procs/5stack flawless form

because damage is so free

[gusty hedge]

Sub grind comes to a pause! started going 1-5 2/4

[potent pivot]

Supercharger :)

[spring bough]

Gross 🤮

[potent pivot]

But imp BtE partially works on tournament realm

That’s why

[rough rock]

Spends 99% of the game just running away 😭

[potent pivot]

No KS is crazy yea

It’s a free 2-3% dps

[quick temple]

like going into ADR with full flawless form after killing spree and supercharged dispatches are disgusting

but ppl arent even playing either, surely something is broken if ppl are skipping keystone talents

and disregarding 2 hero talents entirely

[severe helm]

you alwyas have full flawless form

its like 100% uptime

[quick temple]

you dont have 5 stack flwless all the time

[severe helm]

you do lol

[quick temple]

and you're ignoring unseen blade procs

[severe helm]

you cant ignore UB procs they proc off PS and SS

[quick temple]

regardless ppl finish games with their breakdown being basically autos and spenders

[severe helm]

flawless got changed

[quick temple]

which flawless doesnt even affect

[potent pivot]

He’s talking about KS Mewo

[quick temple]

doesnt change my point

[severe helm]

I know

KS's value is almost entirely the free UB so you can get more coups

flawless form is 100% uptime 5 stacks

[quick temple]

i can literally hit a dummy and watch flawless fall off

[severe helm]

Yeah I mean I always play with KS but youre gona have full uptime of flawless either way for the most part

I think PS is our hardest hitting ability rn lowkey

autos reset UB pretty often

[rough rock]

@gusty hedge rolled this dookie outlaw and lock

[quick temple]

this kill was so gross, i've never seen a 37k scoundrel strike before

50k unseen blade, 51k coup

[spring bough]

Smokin em

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

PUT EM IN THE DIRT!

[dark moon]

low mmr sub shuffles aint it

[gusty hedge]

After a few good games mmr hit 2.1 then i started getting all caster lobbies mostly and dev dh,mage
pres devour aare nasty to play against. same with mage feels like they are tanky now and mass invis is toxic made me tilt CC'd every go half the game i was sitting in a fear stun or sleep walk/ root

game was like less than 3 mins

[severe helm]

yeah scoundrel strike hits surprisingly hard

[indigo tiger]

[severe helm]

crazy the procs like scoundrel and UB hit so hard

you can straight up kill someone from ranged with PS proccing UB

[indigo tiger]

How is it that I gain about 70+ rating for every victory, while he gained +254?

[severe helm]

thats like 150k from a builder lol

[severe helm]

MMR

his mmr is 800 rating above his cr

[spring bough]

It’s amazing isn’t it

[severe helm]

yours is probably closer

[quick temple]

i got 4 BTEs that prob all double proc'd the dam amp im thinking

[spring bough]

It makes me reminisce about the 30 yard dispatches from crackshot

[indigo tiger]

What is MMR?

[severe helm]

matchmaking rating

[indigo tiger]

I see.

[gusty hedge]

im just swapping between rogues until cr gains are minimal

[severe helm]

Yeah I just finished doing boxes to 2500 conq on my alt rogue

slingshot engaged

ready to farm

[gleaming sentinel]

Instead of outlaw 2, I’m gonna try devourer

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-great-saiyaman-goku-hey-no-stop-just-calm-down-gif-2363693476828060387

[mystic tundra]

When do we expect conq to uncap how many more weeks

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m already duelist, and KSL done. I wanna try the new pretty spec

[spring bough]

It’s a lot of fun

Straight up dominates keys and raid too

[dark moon]

yuck

[drifting dew]

Is it worth using the void slivers on off hand or more important to upgrade trinkets first? For outlaw/sub

[potent pivot]

MH > insignia > offhand > medallion

[drifting dew]

You the realest one trick

[gusty hedge]

thought i was gonna cruise to 1950

https://tenor.com/view/djkhaled-another-one-anotherone-gif-4905376

[hybrid sapphire]

what addon is this that turns names to numbers

i used to use a script to do this but it doesnt work anymore

[potent pivot]

Multiple addons can do that

[hybrid sapphire]

what do you use to do it?

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure arena core has it

Midnight Essentials (only on the wago app)

[quick temple]

betterblizzplates

[gusty hedge]

LOST a blitz cuz priest wanna afk before we cap flag thinking we lost game. only for other team to come back and cap for 2/3 before timer ran out while most of team sat base/ mid fighting

W turned Loss, allwhile the devoker bitcched and moaned lol

[spring bough]

[gusty hedge]

@potent pivot

[gusty hedge]

yeah shit made me tilt had to logg off, i lost rating too

[potent pivot]

?

Spammer I’m guessing?

[gusty hedge]

yeah someone removed it!
another mr beast bitcoin scam

[potent pivot]

Whispy gottem

They usually spam every channel

[spring bough]

People just dragging blizz over AWC 😂

[potent pivot]

Rightfully so imo

The fact they didn’t remake the match when the guy dced in starting room is scuff

[severe helm]

deserved

[potent pivot]

And supposedly his game dced not his internet

[severe helm]

lowkey I will fight all blizzard sympathizers

stockholm syndrome ass people

[spring bough]

https://x.com/mysticalthemonk/status/2050338135368749468?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Justin (@MysticalTheMonk)

Need the Rogue/Mage cartel final boss to queue this weekend to show how strong it is:

Rshaman / Rogue / Mage

X · May 1, 2026, 10:14 PM

It begins…..

[potent pivot]

This guy sends me

That’s the guy doing most of the icyveins pvp guides

[dark moon]

xD

whaazz just said he was more scared by tony assa than tony feral

kek to the what

W

[rugged jewel]

Is the crafted dagger better as an off hand or just the conquest one?

[potent pivot]

There’s no reason to craft one

We get free weps

[rugged jewel]

Okay I thought so but I saw some people with it so I didn’t know if the haste on there would make it worth or something

[potent pivot]

Naw

Crit is really good

And you can get enough haste already

That’s likely just people who crafted dagger week 1 when playing sub

They just swapped the stats

[rugged jewel]

Ahh that makes sense. Thanks for the info big dawg

[finite onyx]

yo are sub rogues not going any haste anymore?

[potent pivot]

Everyone plays a minimum of 200+ haste no matter what, which can be better for like blitz or rmp

High haste is still rly good for shuffle and “pve” arena comps

[finite onyx]

i see, just saw people with low haste on murlok, 195 instead of the usual 550 without scaling and was wondering if it changed because of the nerfs

[potent pivot]

Naw the nerfs didn’t really change anything as far as build

Sub also for a bit of a buff recently that did change build slightly

The cloud cover talent

[finite onyx]

oh are you playing that in pvp

i didnt even change it

[potent pivot]

Yes it’s insanely strong

[finite onyx]

ahh ty

[spring bough]

Sounds like sub needs a nerf before outlaw 👀

[gleaming sentinel]

Think they drop nerfs today or Monday?

[spring bough]

if they do probably tonight?

[woven gale]

What is causing people to jump to outlaw now?

[stoic spruce]

Its tuff

[woven gale]

Fate or what?

[gusty hedge]

wish they would stay off the spec

outlaws everywhere, not a true Law in sight

[woven gale]

Meh. I only learned Sub cause Outlaws felt like ass/been bad for a while.

Though I think I got my rating last season on Outlaw despite learning Sub that season

I can't remember lemme check cause I was posting here

[gusty hedge]

Trickster cloudcover triples the fazed stacks nakes u do crazy damage when u pop adr +10 sec after cloud disappears

[fathom crag]

patch notes soon or what

[gusty hedge]

feels like i seen this name ingame before

[woven gale]

Jesus christ I didn't realize I joined this disc 8 years ago for Outlaw lmao

[woven gale]

Doubtful, I only have used Nevermore for my OG Warlock and ive kept him at 60 since Forsaken transmog has gotten worse and worse

Also I don't think my users that rare

Edgar Allen Poe & Dota lol

[gusty hedge]

prolly
remember seeing two rogues nevermore and withernot just cant remember where, both rocking dreadblades

[woven gale]

So is there a reason to like

[stoic spruce]

Trueeee

[woven gale]

Not open as Kidney > Adrenaline > GUN

Aka Killing Spree

[spring bough]

at farm with my teams disc....

trying to cap the node i cheap the lock and waiting for priest to fear him and he just stands there while im tryna cap

lets me get hit and then proceeds to tell me im dumb

[woven gale]

That was kinda why I started playing my UH. Got sick of people attacking enemies I was sapping/blinding lmao

Kultiran racial stonks

[spring bough]

he didnt even do shit he coulda feared

then he is out of CC and watches lock cap farm while im in CC

actually insane

[gusty hedge]

Br/bte and send ur builder rotation, prolly ks somewhere when br/bte on cd and u have no coup up

[potent pivot]

Surely none today

[spring bough]

no rogue nerfs

[potent pivot]

If they fix cloud I hope they do it to pve too

I’d die ngl

[woven gale]

So BTE spam unless its on CD? Also are people not taking the stuff for instant full combo points on adren

[potent pivot]

They are

[spring bough]

yk you gonna lose first 2 rounds when u have an arms warriors vs a frost mage and he isnt a gnome.......

[woven gale]

Nothing drives me crazier in blitz than when the enemies send 3 people to deal with you capping as rogue. And your team loses every other point massively

[spring bough]

like wtf yall doing on these other nodes lmaooo

overall from my shuffle.... PEW PEW PEW

[severe helm]

fakelaws

imposters

[spring bough]

had a fakelaw doing disc dmg last night...............................

[woven gale]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-tf2-tf2memes-tf2soldier-gif-26075805

[severe helm]

I mean

[spring bough]

the disc wasnt pumping

[woven gale]

What I assume they do every time enemies leave

[severe helm]

okay then thats bad

lol

cuz theres for sure times in like blitz where im literally top dps

in the whole bg

at like 3k rating

as disc

[woven gale]

Often times I feel like damage is kinda just, not that important with Blitz.

Ive solo won matches just from CC and good placement

[severe helm]

little of both

depends on the map

depends on the players

[woven gale]

Also Kultiran + Cliffs makes winning EZPZ

Gets DRed from people spamming stuns on the person your winding up to punch off the map.

[woven gale]

Well yeah ofc. Its always situational.

On Kotmogu if your not grabbing orb and have tank damage I am disapointed

[gilded gulch]

i mean the downside is you're playing a kultiran

and looking at that ugly mug

[woven gale]

Kultirans look sick in plate tho

[severe helm]

kul tiran looks better than dwarf

or gnome

or goblin

or vulpera

[woven gale]

Leather ehhhh

[gilded gulch]

dwarves are just dwarves though

[severe helm]

dwarves are awful

[gilded gulch]

not obese humans

[woven gale]

Well kultiran aren't actual obese

[severe helm]

theyve got strongman bodies

I mean obesity is a BMI based measurement

[woven gale]

their models just have weird placements that make them look fat

[severe helm]

so technically they probably are

they def have a beer belly

[gilded gulch]

goblins well

[woven gale]

The women definitely are not

[gilded gulch]

they have a jersey accent

so....

[severe helm]

nah female kul tiran is just amazon woman

[gilded gulch]

thats enough to instant dq

[woven gale]

Their hunched forward which gives them that look

Well not hunched but like

[severe helm]

death by snoo snoo type shit

[woven gale]

They stick their gut out

[severe helm]

they have a gut to stick out

[woven gale]

If they stood tall and didn't try to stick their gut out they would look more ripped than the Female Orcs

[gilded gulch]

pretty sure fem nelf is amazons

by lore

[spring bough]

any1 knwo Selfhelp enhance shamn

this dude is a god damn menace

[severe helm]

Bruv

[severe helm]

Gotta be honest

[gilded gulch]

standard NA male

[severe helm]

Boy is def slamming cold ones on the weekend

[gilded gulch]

i guess

[woven gale]

Basically this is how the female kultirans are. If they didn't try to stick their gut out they would look ripped as fuck

[severe helm]

I'm not talking about the female kt

[gilded gulch]

arent orcs more ripped

f

or at least bigger biceps/shoulders

[rough rock]

kul tirans just look like tall dwarfs

[gilded gulch]

pretty sure fem nelf is the actual amazon

[woven gale]

Oh yeah, Male Kult have the strongman big gut

[gilded gulch]

look at their height for one

[woven gale]

Female though has actual like muscles

[spring bough]

almost 2400 in blitz soooo close

[fathom crag]

who the fuck plays kultiran

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/theboys-perfect-gif-23821319

[gilded gulch]

rbg andys

[spring bough]

me?

haymaker on blitz send FC off the map

or off LM

[gilded gulch]

i never said it was bad

also im pretty sure lorewise fem nelves are the warriors of society

[rough rock]

undead gang forever but i do love the fem elfs

[gilded gulch]

its just awkward how male nelf looks fucking stupid and gangly limbs

[woven gale]

Pretty sure Male Kultiran is supposed to be like this dude

[fathom crag]

most models are terrible nowadays

[gilded gulch]

real

[fathom crag]

old ones are so much better

[rough rock]

you leave my 90 degree undead back alone

[gilded gulch]

#pvp message you repeated my point

basically

also some races have a weirdly wobbly motion

in the new models

vs old

[woven gale]

Forsaken in general are VERRY bouncy now

[gilded gulch]

a beergut isn't exactly an image of health

[woven gale]

Which is weird since Blizz stole their actual jiggle physics in the model update

I mean strongmen are maximizing strength not appearance

IIRC the purely muscles build is waaay more unhealthy

And often requires avoiding water for a while

[gilded gulch]

for men its alot easier to achieve

women its 100% unhealth lmao

[pastel burrow]

what form of pvp is this

[livid cipher]

irl

[gilded gulch]

hold on

there's a great image

[spring bough]

LOL

unpopular opinion but blitz requires some skill ? lol

[woven gale]

It does, its just not the same skill

[spring bough]

team work

[woven gale]

Its more Macro based

[gilded gulch]

its not you are individually a good pvp player

yeah

[pastel burrow]

blitz is peak cause u get to see number go up while playing battlegrounds

and brother

i love number go up

[spring bough]

BGs >>>

[gilded gulch]

number of what

[woven gale]

Awareness, Positioning, knowing when to break off from fights, knowing when to rotate, who you can def vs and who you can't .etc

[pastel burrow]

number

[gilded gulch]

i swear it takes longer to get rating in blitz than shuff

[fathom crag]

ppl meme blitz but it’s every fun to watch

[pastel burrow]

no yeah for sure

[gilded gulch]

do i just get cursed placements

[pastel burrow]

blitz can be slow as hell but its nice to do

[fathom crag]

last weedtyler tournament was fun to watch

[gleaming sentinel]

different brackets, try hard unemployed loser pvpers try to gatekeep rewards with weird qualifiers tho

[pastel burrow]

i still miss RBGs though

RBGS with the boys was so good

[woven gale]

Yeah no if you lose early rating can be a pain to get back for a bit during placements

[gilded gulch]

tourneys a bit different

[woven gale]

Cause if your first games a loss it nukes your MMR putting you into sub 1500 games

Which = High ques

But you can just win from everyone fighting mid and rp walk across warsong

[gilded gulch]

yeah mostly if you're going for rewards on classes

shuffle takes way less time

if you actually win rounds

[woven gale]

I think later in the season for sure

But like

[gilded gulch]

also there's nothing i love more than getting angry waiting room messages

[woven gale]

Atm probably not

[gilded gulch]

from rdruids who die in a kidney

thinking im not hitting him

[spring bough]

saw my favorite MM hunter Abolick tonight

bro is a beast

[gilded gulch]

isnt that word

an aussie slur

💀

[spring bough]

its a MM hunt character name?

[woven gale]

IIRC atm 1800 is like less than top 2%

[gilded gulch]

of what bracket

[woven gale]

3s and SS

[gilded gulch]

[woven gale]

Blitz has people at 3300 already lmao

And of course its PRES

[gilded gulch]

blitz gains are slower arent they

per win

[woven gale]

Naw

[spring bough]

its like 25-30 a win

[gilded gulch]

that is slower

[woven gale]

? After placement your getting more than 30 CR a win?

[spring bough]

its honestly not too bad

[woven gale]

In SS/3s?

[gilded gulch]

you can yeah

if you 5-1 or 6-0

i was getting +60s at 1800 idk

for ss

[woven gale]

Idk Blitz has always felt faster

[spring bough]

last 4-2 in shuffle was 36 for me and my last blitz win was 27

[woven gale]

You get a shitload during placements

[gilded gulch]

ss placements you gain like 300-400 too early on

though

[woven gale]

I guess but are you also accounting for hitting the higher tier SS players sooner?

[gilded gulch]

maybe idk

[woven gale]

Since SS cap is like 23-24 vs the 32 of blitz

[gilded gulch]

i usually ended up at least 1600 already after 4-5 shuffle lobbies

takes longer in bgb

from my experience

[woven gale]

Fair

[gilded gulch]

also rogue you can kind of just win

low shuffle lobbies

on your own

you get a shit bgb team and its like

lmao

[spring bough]

does KS go thru pally BOP?

cause i just hit it next to one and he died

[potent pivot]

BF cleave right

Idek

[outer sky]

It shouldn't but it wouldn't surprise me if it did just because some shit it weird like that

[gilded gulch]

my fave was bf cleaving through tranq immune

[dark kernel]

Nah that has to be just other damage rng

[gilded gulch]

also i feel

people dont know how to respond to kb

with how underplayed assa is rn

[spring bough]

dont think i had it up

bro BOPd

at like 5% i hit KS and he died

[potent pivot]

No one else around that could’ve done damage?

[spring bough]

a warrior

havent been able to check the death details yet

[gilded gulch]

i did watch a ret trinket bop at 10%

and his react when he gets kb

to die anyway

[spring bough]

2420 in blitz LETS GOOO

climbing boooyyyyssss

yeah KS killed this pally with BOP up

[potent pivot]

The KS dmg itself?

[potent pivot]

Or UB

[spring bough]

this pally had BOP up

i wish the death detail showed he pressed bop before that KS

whose got a pally can we test it in a duel lol

oh wait my other death log with the pally worldsoul aegis killed him.... maybe it was that 1

[stoic spruce]

BF cleave does ye

[potent pivot]

Ye that makes sense

[spring bough]

i hate blizz details

[potent pivot]

Cuz it blows up for nature damage

[spring bough]

cant tell shit when it happened

[quick temple]

yea what they did to details especially is tragic

i dont understand how they have 20 years of damage meter data and this is what they launched

[potent pivot]

I’m assuming no tuning notes today

[stoic spruce]

Based

[potent pivot]

5:09 PM in Cali

[stoic spruce]

Keep outlaw up

[potent pivot]

Maybe it’s just outlaws turn to be what MM hunter was last season

[topaz bramble]

!macros

[stoic spruce]

Can't wait to queue up some 2s

Maybe 3s

Maybe

I don't like the amount of CCs in 3s

[gleaming sentinel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/watching-you-11--k01KQK0D27DZ0TPCSKQAEZ5NRN0

[spring bough]

see u in 2s

double outlaw gonna smack that booty

[stoic spruce]

I'm never double dpsing 2s until they fix CC

Some lines even I won't cross

[spring bough]

im saying me and verm gonna find u

and spank dat healer u with

[stoic spruce]

Probably yeah

[spring bough]

❤️

[stoic spruce]

You'll have to lower your CR to get me though lolol

Verm gonna ask for duels between arenas

[spring bough]

https://x.com/mvqdh/status/2050364188023726336?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Mvq (@Mvqdh)

Just fyi:
Nerf outlaw and sub takes its place
Nerf frost and fire takes its place
Nerf fire and arcane takes its place

The problem isn’t the specs, it’s the fundamental kit. Mage spam invis and mobility and rogue stuns is unmatched.

X · May 1, 2026, 11:58 PM

Why did I never hear complaints when we had unlimited cheap and 25s cooldown on kidney?

[stoic spruce]

You tuned it out

It's been complained about for years by the other classes

[ocean thunder]

rogue being able to setup at will for mage to poly (the best cc) is an unmatched combination, that is true

there are many more ways to remove fear

[stoic spruce]

He's not wrong tbh but I don't like him so I'm rather conflicted

[potent pivot]

And where is this energy for feral Druid?

[ocean thunder]

the mage invis is the culprit this expac i think

[halcyon timber]

Doesn’t fit the narrative

[potent pivot]

Maim, rake, cyclone, etc etc etc

[ocean thunder]

You dont see rogues without mages often in AWC, they dont bring anything else that important.

Yeah but the clone is casted, it takes more time, you cant blink while casting and it has low range

[spring bough]

or where is it for ret lol

dont at him LOL

[ocean thunder]

if they wanted to nerf this they would have to increase poly time or heavily nerf invis

[potent pivot]

I don’t think any of that matters ngl

[spring bough]

imagine if poly had a 35 seconds cooldown

the uproar

[stoic spruce]

Huge

[spring bough]

and fear

[potent pivot]

Feral still has more cc than assa/outlaw no?

[spring bough]

they can spam clone

put a 35 second CD on that too

[potent pivot]

Not sure about sub I’d have to do the math

[stoic spruce]

Well rogue also has smoke and disarm

[ocean thunder]

it's not like that guys, let's not delude ourselves, rogue has an orchestra of CC with blind /stun/sap
Still, rogue by itself is not broken, maybe outlaw is slighly overtuned and that's it.

Mage invis and the ease they have casting poly is the issue

[spring bough]

Not gonna lie he spitting there

[stoic spruce]

When your opps makes a good point but he's your opps and you hate him so you want to disagree

[ocean thunder]

the only thing keeping mages in check is hunters but they dont work in AWC

[spring bough]

I’ll believe that’s about mages only

[dark moon]

Ye but if the car is broken, cannot be driven

[spring bough]

Damn MvQ can’t even make a good one w that logic LOL

[stoic spruce]

That's not necessarily true

[dark moon]

aKsHuAlLy

[stoic spruce]

Erm aktchually ☝️🤓

[potent pivot]

Apparently bge is fixed

[spring bough]

its working

[spring bough]

im confused on blitz rating / mmr so much lol

3rd blitz player. 110 games 61 wins and is 2806... im at 110 games and 65 wins but only 2446... i dont get it

[potent pivot]

The majority of it is because of placements

If you go like 10-2 in placements you’re already 3k+ MMR

but even outside of placements, losing in a low mmr lobby can obliterate your mmr hard

[spring bough]

so pretty much dont lose early and slingshot got it

[potent pivot]

Not exactly

Blitz just has really wild swings in general

[spring bough]

i finally got mmr to a point where i can lose a few and lose 0 cr

built a cushion lol

[stiff cedar]

if anyone wants to see all https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-may-5-2301220

[stoic spruce]

@harsh kiln called it

Both outlaw and trickster

[rough rock]

i knew faze would lose stac ks

only losing 1 stack isnt too bad tho

[stiff cedar]

the faze part is still higher than before they changed it right? loss of duration sucks tho

[stoic spruce]

Lost the DR to trickster

[rough rock]

Damn we do lost like 6% defense no?

[stoic spruce]

From*

Yeah

[rough rock]

god damn

[stoic spruce]

IDC about bte damage so whatever

[rough rock]

this is what they did to us

WHY WONT THEY LET ARCANE BE GOOD MANNNNNNN

[stoic spruce]

At least the aura tuning got canceled out

[rough rock]

15% kinda crazy

[quick temple]

those all barely do any real dam tho

[rough rock]

Yeah thats how we felt about outlaw too

[quick temple]

like healers can dispell 8x UA and still be at 35% hp

[rough rock]

but constant buffs add up

and theyve been getting buffed over and over

[quick temple]

well rn they dont do much

still

[stoic spruce]

Weird how they didn't mention the state of CC but had the nerve to say people die too fast

[ocean thunder]

frankly, all changes look good

maybe they should have tuned frost mage a bit more

[stoic spruce]

No unholy buffs

It actually got nerfed

Sanlayn but still

[spring bough]

@potent pivot with BTE nerf for pvp... LETHALITY??

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

Rogue is dead

Gg

[rough rock]

gtfo

[spring bough]

no its not

we gonna be fine

lethality >>>

[rough rock]

Wait

hes saying that incase kasus alt is in here stalking

thats why

rogue dead gg

[potent pivot]

Do you see the cloud changes?

[spring bough]

yeah

[potent pivot]

It’s dead bud

[spring bough]

itll be okay

[warped gate]

[rough rock]

so only 11% total during burst with 1 less stack

[stoic spruce]

Aura tuning got canceled out

[rough rock]

i dont think thats too bad

[rough rock]

the 5%?

[spring bough]

pistol go pew pew

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[rough rock]

how do you know im confused

[stoic spruce]

We got 5% pve

[rough rock]

ah

[ocean thunder]

imagine though being an AWC player and having to learn all specs of 3-4 classes to be able to adapt to nerfs!

[stoic spruce]

But that trickster nerf hurts yeah

[warped gate]

[stoic spruce]

Not only we lost dam but dr too

[potent pivot]

Trickster: Additional stacks of Fazed granted by Cloud Cover no longer increase the magnitude of secondary effects, such as the damage reduction from the Smoke talent.

It

Is

Dead

[stoic spruce]

I didn't see that...

[potent pivot]

Bud

[warped gate]

Maaan, fuck PvE.

[stoic spruce]

Nvm it's over

[rough rock]

LMAO

faze stack is only 6% right?

so wed only be losing 11% during burst

[potent pivot]

Trickster giga dead

[stoic spruce]

Back to FB boys

[potent pivot]

Outlaw in the bin

[stoic spruce]

Troo

[rough rock]

QUAD HOOK IS BACK BABY

[potent pivot]

Don’t believe me just watch

[stoic spruce]

I hate HATE how they tune

[warped gate]

Like goddamn, they gave us some ice cream and let us sit at the big boys table for a couple weeks, just to slap the ice cream out the hands and kick the leg off the chair.

[warped gate]

For real, I rather suck/be good for a whole damn patch than have to doom scroll patch notes every week.

[spring bough]

Do we go back to fatebound now or

[warped gate]

Can't adapt to shit.

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

Probably

[stoic spruce]

Trickster has nothing going on now

[stoic spruce]

And when they do tune, it's too far in either direction

[rough rock]

so 11% loss during burst + we lose all defense gains

W

[stoic spruce]

Why can't a spec be just good

It's always either OP or stinky poop butt

10% aura nerf, cloud cover doesn't stack extra effects, bte nerfed, lost dr

We got the guy who tunes dk

[finite widget]

Warrior meta

[stoic spruce]

No other explanation

[quick temple]

its still good lol

[stoic spruce]

You don't stay good with tuning like that

[quick temple]

like im hoping a devourer out there isnt saying the same thing

[spring bough]

back to 2/2 dispatcher with fatebound ig

[quick temple]

why cant we just be good? whats wrong with 400k dam in .5s

[sharp sierra]

People in here acting like they got hit with Hunter level nerfs like last week 😭

[ocean thunder]

They also increased health globally - a little but htey did

think who is to benefit

[gleaming sentinel]

took us out back and shot us

[ocean thunder]

Anything that lives and plays dampening

[quick temple]

yea exactly

[gleaming sentinel]

fatebound gaming hype

[quick temple]

there we ppl during the retpocalypse sayin ret isnt that op

[rough rock]

Okay but they were actually doing 1 shots lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

just in time for my blitz push

[rough rock]

that black arrow was SLAPPING

[spring bough]

dispatch now the king

[rough rock]

Kasu fr payed money for this

[spring bough]

BTE nuked

2/2 dispatcher >>

[gleaming sentinel]

audacity HO gaming

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[spring bough]

[rough rock]

NEVER AGAIN

[sharp sierra]

Precise Shot is still nerfed by 20%, doubt you will notice a difference

[rough rock]

okay kasu

[gleaming sentinel]

[rough rock]

[lime oar]

so do i stop leveling my 84 outlaw

[stoic spruce]

No

You gotta stick with it

[gleaming sentinel]

I like fatebound we're chillin

[lime oar]

if pistol shot still goes brr im in

[rough rock]

just dont play sub and youll never notice how bad it is

Youll always think outlaw is good!

[spring bough]

lethality and 2/2 dispatcher on dummy with fatebound going brrrttttttt

[sharp sierra]

You should just be a Whazz and Avidance type guy. They stick to their spec and peform no matter what.

[rough rock]

sheesh one pistol proc then dispatch at 5

repeatr

W

[spring bough]

👀

[stoic spruce]

You still need 2 ace since bte stacks is where you dmg comes from

[spring bough]

still got it bub

[sharp sierra]

My mistake Precise Shots was nerfed by 50, no 20 😭

[stoic spruce]

Ohhhh you dropped KS

[spring bough]

yeah dawg

[stoic spruce]

You devious dawg

[spring bough]

fuck that garbo

[rough rock]

thank god i hate the button

[stoic spruce]

Thank God tbh

[rough rock]

i want it to be good so bad

[spring bough]

WE ARE SAVED

[rough rock]

how you gonna gice a melee spec a channel

meanwhile hunters can send shit through fucking pillars xD

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot pin this please

[gleaming sentinel]

well shit do i push shuffle more since its getting big nasty nerf tuesday?

or just sit mmr

[potent pivot]

Yes

Grind

[rough rock]

im gonna be pushing 2s

[potent pivot]

GRIND

[rough rock]

with my disc friend

[gleaming sentinel]

i got 2.1... :<

[spring bough]

well

back to the devourer?

or what should i level

[rough rock]

how bad is sub gonna feel from the nerf too?

[stoic spruce]

Welp

[rough rock]

ive been doing fire mage its super fun

[stoic spruce]

I'm going back to housing after tuesday

[spring bough]

gross

melee or like devourer thats it for me lol

[rough rock]

i dont have a choice blizzard hates my arcane mage

[spring bough]

ig i slam blitz this weekend.....

[potent pivot]

Probably bad

[rough rock]

im ngl i might even just gear up my disc i havent healed this expac yet

[rough rock]

enough to play DM?

[spring bough]

sub didnt lose a stack of fazed tho

gd favorites smh

[rough rock]

oh shit it didnt

[potent pivot]

Deathstalker?

[rough rock]

yee

[potent pivot]

Enough to play assa bud

Idk I cba thinking about it rn

[stoic spruce]

Not even for a Scooby Snack?

[gleaming sentinel]

yea i mean i cant hit 2300 rn, there's no way. but i guess i can try a couple more lobbies tomorrow

[spring bough]

believe

[potent pivot]

The fact they made the offset buffs pve only

Is what kills me

So outlaw is getting double nerfed

And sub is getting a nerf it did not need whatsoever

[gleaming sentinel]

less dmg than before

[potent pivot]

The absolute incompetence

Giving in to people crying on twitter

[severe helm]

rip

the changes are oof

why did sub not get the fazed stack nerf?

[spring bough]

That’s what I want to know

[stoic spruce]

Mewo

[severe helm]

wow sub got 7%

[potent pivot]

Because it doesn’t need any of these fucking nerfs

[severe helm]

even though trickster was weaker for htem

what were they thinking?

im talking pve my b wrong channel

[potent pivot]

Ah

[stoic spruce]

It's Sub's world and we're just living in it.

[potent pivot]

Pve

I was going to shadow realm you

[stoic spruce]

Lul

[molten hedge]

I’m just getting here. Can’t wait to read about how rog is dead

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw may as well be

No dr changes either

Man shuffle is gonna suck donkey dick for sure

Infinite CCs on top on longer ttk

[molten hedge]

I’m not tryna start an argument polo

[stoic spruce]

I know

Me either

Just saying

[molten hedge]

But why is it mistweaver can get the most nerfs I’ve ever seen and you say it’s still S omega tier

But outlaw is dead after these nerfs lol

I’m being dramatic

[stoic spruce]

Because even when it gets nerfed it's still good

Dps specs don't get that privilege

[severe helm]

I think they arent increasing hp enough

[molten hedge]

Ok now let me go read everything you guys been saying

[severe helm]

need more

[rough rock]

MILES ahead of other healers before it got nerfed

[severe helm]

oh no

outlaw got a pvp specific nerf

[molten hedge]

Just like outlaw has been miles ahead of other dps lol

[severe helm]

ON TOP

of trickster nerf

so outlaws legit like dead

[molten hedge]

Bruh

[severe helm]

thats like a 10% nerf overall

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that's what we're talking about

Yeah

[severe helm]

maybe more

[rough rock]

We had to get buffed EVERY single patch since the start but mw had to get nerfed every patch so blizzard is just dumb

very big difference

like big

if you get nerfed 5x in a row and still clear everyone before the last patch thats insane

sending outlaw to the shadowrealm with one nerf is just batshit dumb

[stoic spruce]

It was 2 weeks and it wasn't even the biggest offender

[rough rock]

the losing defense part is what really annoys me

[stoic spruce]

Nerf it sure but this is too much, no dps spec regardless of class walks out of tuning like this and is fine

[rough rock]

that was not needed lmao

[rough rock]

yeah i was totally expecting a nerf

[potent pivot]

They are clueless man

[rough rock]

just not this insane

[potent pivot]

The only change needed was to trickster interactions

But they tune based on hunter twitter tears

Law is going to be back to literal ticklemonster status after the nerfs and hp increases

[gleaming sentinel]

its joever

[severe helm]

tickle monster with no cc

[molten hedge]

Was my first thought lmao

[molten hedge]

RMP never dead

Ever

[stoic spruce]

Lethality is builders only yeah?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[stoic spruce]

Eye sea

[gleaming sentinel]

now my between the eyes are REALLY gonna miss

https://klipy.com/gifs/oh-no-woody--k01KQK7QMRTXCAVD97X5YEQPTC3

[spring bough]

Pew pew 🔫

[stoic spruce]

Ngl it could do half the damage and I'd barely care

Bte I mean

[gleaming sentinel]

I am full jump

[lime oar]

@spring bough swapping fatebound even tho trickster has the pistol shot crit chance talent

?

[spring bough]

That’s only gonna be 50% crit dmg

It doesn’t stack anymore lol

[lime oar]

ahh

[spring bough]

Instead of the 150% it is with cloud cover rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Uncap conquest so I can make a sin rogue set. Friendship with dazed has ended. Ivanrah is my new best fiend

[hybrid sapphire]

good evening rogues whats the good news

[gleaming sentinel]

Not now circuitparty!

[lime oar]

it’s doomer hours in here

[molten hedge]

It always is

[gleaming sentinel]

[stoic spruce]

I'm sensing a mutiny en route...

[spring bough]

[stoic spruce]

[spring bough]

Like a pirate would?

[gleaming sentinel]

Fatebound audacity gaming

[hybrid sapphire]

this is what yall r whining about?

[stoic spruce]

No

Lol

Dude

If it were just that none of us would care tbh

It's that + PvE nerfs

[woven gale]

Didn't outlaw just become meta spec?

I thought they were gonna hit Sub not Outlaw

[hybrid sapphire]

all i see is assa is unchanged

real winners stay winning

[ocean thunder]

to be honest, this time they are kinda reacting faster than usual

maybe on monks they were too slow, then on hunters too rough

[gleaming sentinel]

Im a gank this mf fr

[ocean thunder]

but htey are reacting

[stoic spruce]

Game broke, no choice

[hybrid sapphire]

real sinning hrs

[ocean thunder]

No no dont play assassin, keep playing outlaw and sub!

😄

[molten hedge]

I rly don’t think the outlaw nerfs are that crazy. Spec got buffed like 30% and is getting a 5% nerf. A 15% reduced bte will be 42.5k instead of 50k. Why are we saying it’s going to tickle

It was good before cloud cover also

[stoic spruce]

Because it didn't get buffed by 30% idk where that number came from. Cloud Cover is what made Outlaw as strong as it was

[molten hedge]

I swear man it’s always the end of the world in here it’s depressing

[molten hedge]

30% over the course of the past month

It did

[potent pivot]

???

[potent pivot]

???

[stoic spruce]

And still lacked important damage until cloud cover

[molten hedge]

???

[stoic spruce]

How crazy is that

[potent pivot]

You’re not serious right now

Outlaw was beyond dogshit before buffs

[molten hedge]

Yeah it got like what 28 or 30% buffs in the last month that made it as good as it is now

So now it’s getting a 5% nerf

[stoic spruce]

Oh look assa got buffed via bug fix

[molten hedge]

And the cloud cover stuff

[potent pivot]

???????

These changes are well over a 10% nerf in totality

Please do not say random shit

[stoic spruce]

You're missing so many pieces of the puzzle my guy

The cloud cover WAS the buffs

And now the buffs are gone

[molten hedge]

Before cloud like a week ago we played fatebound

[stoic spruce]

Yeah and it was mid at best

[molten hedge]

So why is it so crazy to just go back to fatebound and take the 5% and bte nerf

It was good before cloud then it got better

[potent pivot]

It wasn’t that great

Plus base nerfs

Plus HP increases

It’s going to be dog

Watch

[molten hedge]

I’m not too torn up about it. Ive just seen a trend of dooming in here and rogue is still good after everything. I’m not saying you specifically but we’re not the only class getting buffs and nerfs

[stoic spruce]

Don't you play assa

[gleaming sentinel]

Uncap conquest

[molten hedge]

I play all the rogue specs

[rough rock]

you didnt even play outlaw before trickster no?