pvp

[dark moon]

Is it certain spec or just rogues in general?

[outer sky]

Yes

[spring bough]

Yeah they need to fix their game

[outer sky]

Thats not nearly as offensive though

[outer sky]

All rogues

[ocean thunder]

To the 'plenty' assa players, I wonder what your tactic is on shuffle.
Do you send it right away with KB + DM right after sap and maybe even commit blind?
Do you only use KB at start?
Or do you hold and wait for the right moment when someone is like 60% and try one sneak the kill?

I used to KB only at start and that gave some defensives but i am not sure i am getting much on higher ratings especially vs paladins and such.
And thne there's a series of buttons that kills my potential, like alter time and stuff and i wait and my team is losing pressure

[proven kayak]

When they lack defensive you send it

[ocean thunder]

So you play with garrote/rupture until you get the opportunity to sneak a kill?
Hoping that this plus your team mate can get those defensives down?

Versus like sending it early so you have it up in 2mins

Talking about 2k+ range shuffles
Sadly i kinda did farm mages / hunters but now that there's few hunters and more rets / warriors / evokers things are harder

[spring bough]

bout to get medallion and a ring today

then have all four 298 upgrades done

[dark moon]

Forcing some trinkets and then waiting for someone to be around 70-80% then bomb kb in a stun

Still got the bad habit of baiting their defensives with dm

But whatever you do, sniping a cheeky kill with kb is okay? A round won is a round won

[spring bough]

What is this MMR bug that Mvq is tweeting about

[grave basin]

one shotting his punk ass

[jolly sierra]

wait can u upgrade rings too?

thought were only trinkets and weps

[spring bough]

no rings. saying im getting my last trinket so ill ve 4/4 on upgrades

@potent pivot 👀

[stoic spruce]

Deserved, all your shit isn't on CD lol

[stoic spruce]

He LIED

He DOES have Trickz

[spring bough]

playing dirty sub too smh

[spring bough]

wait two at the same time???

[stoic spruce]

The world truly is going to hell

Hax

[spring bough]

is it just me or does hook feel fast today like the old talent is baseline now

or am i just used to slow grapple now

for real though grapple looks and feels like it is faster than it was yesterday

[jolly sierra]

ahhh got it

[severe helm]

the old talent

[pastel burrow]

i miss it

i miss the mach 12 hook so fucking bad

[ocean thunder]

Sure, my issue is that you rely on your team mate to force CDs and that does not always work

Moreover, bomb feels much less useful nowadays that many classes can press defensives while stunned and that plenty of healers have ways to negate it.
Frankly, I am missing the stronger KB of last season adn the execute mechanics that we dont talent into

Plus, I am not sold on the range of the aoe bleed spread - aoe garrote and rupture was so good last season - maybe i'm just not used to it yet

Also curious if people have tried deathstalker now - in theory the playstyle is KB into 2 x envenoms but that takes maybe too many GCDs and setup to proc darkest night on the second envenom

[spring bough]

4/4 on pvp 298 upgrades lets goooo

[spring bough]

3 rogues vs 0 rogues on gilneas... who should win this lol

[lime oar]

@spring bough can u drop ur build or are u using the one in pins

[spring bough]

can move sleight, finding opp, combat stam, and unbreakable stride or w/e else in rogue tree for gouge that u want

can move lethality to SC or vanish too

[rough rock]

No dispatch is crazy

[dark moon]

Don't rely on your team that much, play it as its best for you and if they follow you win

But do your own setups and cross cc for the kills

[spring bough]

dispatch barely makes the top 10 for my overall dmg lol

[severe helm]

yeah this is what im close to

Im thinking maybe drop sleight for SD

or KiR

sleight has to be worse than KiR

[spring bough]

i get a lot less 1 rolls with sleight

noticeably

[severe helm]

yeah for sure

I think in shuffle id run KiR

otherwise sleight for long games or SD

[spring bough]

Still can’t get over how good pistol is with lethality on trickster lol

[rough rock]

The pistol I understand and love but no dispatch is crazy to me

It’s usually pretty up there in damage for me

[spring bough]

pistol BTE and autos my tops 3 usually

soloing sub rogues for MT is so fun

having a lot of fun with outlaw pvp right now not gonna lie

[severe helm]

yeah fr im tempted to drop double vanish for lethality

but thats a tough sell

[molten hedge]

I feel naked without double vanish

[severe helm]

same

[molten hedge]

Not a big fan for many reasons

[severe helm]

I think I might do 1pt subterfuge

and drop double vanish

cuz no subt sucks

its so easy to get knocked out

and lose the cheap shot

then I can get 2 pt lethality

[chilly briar]

my god I tried out sub for the first time

how are people losing with this

[spring bough]

do it the dmg is so worth it

feels like it gives u that one stun kill pressure

[molten hedge]

Bc you’re in a placement game more than likely 😂

[chilly briar]

sub rogue is so hilariously piss easy

[severe helm]

yeah it doesnt really have a rotation

[chilly briar]

I havent played sub since bfa

[severe helm]

compared to something like outlaw

[chilly briar]

its legit button mash LOL

[molten hedge]

Ya that parts easy

[spring bough]

solo'ing outlaw rogues in blitz is so fun

[chilly briar]

having 48% reduced healing all the time

[spring bough]

esp when they burn ADR on me

[chilly briar]

jesus christtttt

[gilded gulch]

usually the failing is teammate doesnt know how to swap on stuns

tbh

[spring bough]

less than 100 rating in blitz to go for elite

so close boys

[potent pivot]

Your point?

[molten hedge]

I was just asking

[potent pivot]

Ye

Lot of people are playing bad shit

[molten hedge]

It does feel kinda clunky to use KS

I don’t love pressing it

[potent pivot]

That’s what happens when something is too strong

People play dumb shit and think it’s good even though it’s worse

[molten hedge]

True

Why was Whaazz saying hpri is complete dogshit and they’re playing with only rdru next AWC

[potent pivot]

Supposedly that’s what everyone’s doing in eu

[spring bough]

rdruids in shuffle just fold tho

like train them and they die lol

[ocean thunder]

Frankly yesterday i saw plenty of healers folding when focused - and tbh while i am quite bad on my disc its not easy to face a DK

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

just line up an interrupt into a stun / blind or something

and most healers in shuffle folding

[spring bough]

How’s lethality treating u

[molten hedge]

Hmmm interesting rdru seems kinda ass. I’m interested to see that lol

Saying hpri is dogshit is crazy though

[potent pivot]

They’re going to play for damp

[molten hedge]

You can oom an rdru quick by just swapping around

Ig between meld and mass invis they can get drinks but still

[potent pivot]

Dunno

Maybe he was trolling

[molten hedge]

He seemed very serious

[spring bough]

im honestly so sick and tired of people tryna run strats in blitz

and order people around like gtfoh

[molten hedge]

He said it’s just carried by rog mage

A statement that could be true for other healers as well

[potent pivot]

Ye was gonna say that

But idk

Playing rdru well compared to just playing rdru can be very diff

[molten hedge]

Yea it’s true

Very hard healer

[potent pivot]

If mage/rdru pillar hump really well

[rough rock]

I kinda got used to it, plus the extra damage reduction we get with trickster helps and the vanish healing is horrible anyways

Getting pulled out of stealth feels like ass though lol

[molten hedge]

Against frost mages it’s just good to stop Ray if no kicks

And I also take it in melee shuffles bc those are so chaotic

[potent pivot]

I played like 1 shuff yesterday after I got done gearing, before passing tf out

This part can be situationally ok to do

Like if your target is super low

But when just trying to do max pve dam naw

I also think

If you have 6 opp stacks

And your BtE resets to 5

You might PS to build, regardless of build and even if target is low

[spring bough]

new conq ring... sitting 16.5 crit, 25 haste, 25 verse

GG

[potent pivot]

That’s with tier chest right

[spring bough]

yup

haste/verse conq helm

[molten hedge]

We tier chest? Is it crit

I thought we tied everything but chest

[potent pivot]

It’s crit>mast

Ye

[molten hedge]

Oh well lol

[stoic spruce]

im yawning rn

[spring bough]

i didnt follow anything

i just did

[stoic spruce]

yall sleepy yet

[molten hedge]

It was everything but chest but it changed

With trickster

[potent pivot]

Helm at least has some vers on it, but it’s mast>vers

[potent pivot]

Naw

[spring bough]

PVE goes everything but helm

according to FUU sheets

[molten hedge]

Thought I said helm has mast and u said oh well it’ll be ok. But I hadnt got helm yet. U prob thought I bought it already

So maybe I just get chest tier it and replace helm later

[potent pivot]

No I’m still saying helm is ok

[spring bough]

im confused now

oh well

[stoic spruce]

these conversations are great

[potent pivot]

Same

[stoic spruce]

because it never really matters

[potent pivot]

Indeed

[spring bough]

i paved my own way

only human rogue on the solo shuff charts

[molten hedge]

It’s gloves leg shoulders chest for law right

[spring bough]

why is every1 and their mother orc mannnnn

[molten hedge]

Yk whyyy

[spring bough]

mogs look so bongo on orcs

[dark kernel]

I'm still playing a cow

[molten hedge]

Bc u sit infinite stuns against sub

[potent pivot]

I’m probably still going helm not chest

[molten hedge]

Or die vs WW

[spring bough]

i like the extra secondary stats for human

and the get out of stun button when i want even tho it puts medallion on CD

[molten hedge]

Both good I’m sure

What race did u go trickz

[spring bough]

def an orc

[potent pivot]

cannot give out the super secret sauce

the crabby patty formula

must remain a secret

[spring bough]

or he went gnome for the 5 energy and manuverability racial

and the 1% haste

honestly gnome might be the play ngl

[potent pivot]

i'd rather die

[molten hedge]

Whaazz said today gnome outlaw is rly good lmao

He just wants u to die in a stun

[spring bough]

me and feral capped LH on hunt lol

were able to spin it and keep LETS GO

[outer sky]

Nice you beat Restokin. He's a r1 3s resto druid. I beat him a couple times in 3s yesterday. Looks like he's washed up lmao

[spring bough]

saw him all day yesterday

most of the time was on my team and we were winningg lol

[potent pivot]

shit todays reset

[spring bough]

already did everything on reset start loololol

got my 285 pve craft done too

[potent pivot]

i was so fried yesterday that i forgot

[spring bough]

PVE is what 2 more weeks till they can upgrade weps?

[potent pivot]

something like that ye

[stoic spruce]

Damn I didn't know you were a holy roller

[potent pivot]

a what

i was just tired

[stoic spruce]

[potent pivot]

naw

just insomnia bud

[stoic spruce]

I see I see

Must be a new strain

[spring bough]

insomnia "bud" lol

[stoic spruce]

I jest

He caught it too lol

[spring bough]

puts u to sleep

[spring bough]

even if u got insomnia

[spring bough]

isnt this the exact same UI as that dude last night

[potent pivot]

its customized to be able to actually read

Deja addon is still broken

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

this one is better than bettercharacterpanel

for actually showing the names of items etc

so today i can either buy conq neck or craft my 2nd ring

and just send 4p

ez

next week we're fully geared i think

everything except medallion next week actually

[spring bough]

i still need gloves/ring

and then i gotta get a dagger too lol

[potent pivot]

all i need is neck/ring/cloak/medallion

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

idk why but i feel like when i make 4p i won't have 25/25 haste/vers

[rough rock]

"idk man, midnight" lolk

[potent pivot]

its because all addons are now are glorified stop watches

like on a fresh cheap shot they just start a 20sec timer

[rough rock]

hmm bracers or boots this week

oooo or cloak

[spring bough]

Boots

[rough rock]

damn but i can do cloak AND bracers

[potent pivot]

do it

[spring bough]

27 min into an 8min avg que............

Server bugging out big time lol

[spring bough]

Are we back

[potent pivot]

Not quite lol

[spring bough]

another day another blitz and another 3v3 rogue

[molten hedge]

wahnnnnnn

[spring bough]

Rogue going mid on deep wind gorge should be permanent ban

Absolutely insane as a rogue to go mid

[rough rock]

kinda funny how it was only the class discords

[outer sky]

Amazing. This other rogue literally made subtlety look BAD. First 2 matches of the lobby he's paired with me. First match he says to send my full burst into his first stun on the boomie and I said "what if he barks?" he says to still send it so I do, into barkskin. Boomie is totally fine. We lose that round. I tell him that was a dumb idea and he proceeds to talk shit about me the entire rest of the lobby only to go 0-6.

[potent pivot]

it wasn't tho

[rough rock]

for me it was only class discords

[potent pivot]

a lot of big servers and "guild" servers

[rough rock]

every other server was fine

[potent pivot]

like the big FF14 servers were also down

[severe helm]

seems like less populated servers didnt have issues

[potent pivot]

yea

most of the 10-20k member servers were fine

but like 50-100k+ members were all down

[spring bough]

about to win blitz for elite babbbyyyyy

3 capping EOTS

[potent pivot]

ez

[spring bough]

DONE DEAL BOYS

we are backk babbbyyy

[last jasper]

lmao. Sadge. Its not even a fix, just fckin copy paste the one from assa\outlaw

[outer sky]

Gratz bro

[spring bough]

lost the lobby before was sweating somehow didnt lose rating lol

Time for some shuffle

[dark kernel]

Whats the tabard looking like in game

[spring bough]

Nothing special. Although there’s a horde and alliance version

Ally is blue and horde is red

[dark kernel]

I was just curious if they looked decent when equipped

Some seasons look ass and some are surprisingly decent

[spring bough]

its kinda meh

might be some sets it could work with

[dark kernel]

I actually like the definition of it

That blue is different

[spring bough]

Horde one replaces the blue with red

[potent pivot]

welp

think i'll be good on haste

[spring bough]

Tf did you change

[potent pivot]

i got my crafted ring

then enchanted and gemmed it

lmao

gonna lose some vers from 4p

might regem vers

[abstract stratus]

is everyone kneepad jockeying outlaw now?

[potent pivot]

with 4p

[spring bough]

been outlaws brother

its finally good so we louder lol

[spring bough]

not bad at all

[potent pivot]

every vers>crit gem is about .30% vers

so if i regem some of my haste>vers gems to vers>crit ill be where i want to be

[abstract stratus]

ngl ive tried to play outlaw multiple expacs and i can never play it even close to the same level as i can play sin and sub

[potent pivot]

i should've done the engi bracers imo

i'd prolly be at 25/25

but once i socket helm, swap a couple gems, should be fine

also next week when replacing honor/wpvp neck/cloak

should be perfection

[spring bough]

some ret got all mad i hit a devourer thru blur

said it was useless

then i killed devourer in blur next round

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-automatic-pistol-fire-shoot-gif-17743651

[abstract stratus]

GLOCK AFTER GLOCK AFTER GLOCK AFTER GLOCK

[spring bough]

overall from my shuffle

PEW PEW PEW PEW

lethality >>>>>>

[abstract stratus]

should i just thug out the learning process going from sin sub to outlaw

[rough rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcDGQTb3JY8

sheeesh

nerf inbound

[spring bough]

god damnit dalaran lolol

bet @vocal surge is in that clip somewhere lol

[abstract stratus]

what are yall dropping for lethality

[spring bough]

not much to it... 1 2 build build 3 finish hit ADR rinse repeat

dropping vanish for it lol

throw a CC on a go

GG

[abstract stratus]

hol up send build the pinned one takes supercharger

idk i feel like i just fall over on outlaw when i play it with the lack of cc

i could justbe undergeared feeling tho

[rough rock]

could play double vanish if you feel that way

[spring bough]

@abstract stratus try this

Cloud covers damage reduction is actually incredible

[abstract stratus]

no gouge is crazy what

[pastel burrow]

You can drop a talent for it

[abstract stratus]

or am i thinking too rogue and not enough warr

[spring bough]

yeah u can change that

[pastel burrow]

It's versatile

[spring bough]

im probably the only 1 that doesnt run gouge tbh

[rough rock]

flickering steel for real the move?

[spring bough]

yeah its good

big energy boost

finding opp with it is great

[potent pivot]

taking double vanish is 1 more cheap shot per game bro

[abstract stratus]

it feeling bad could also be the gear right? idk i feel like the responsivness of the class is just not ther for me like im spamming dispatch dispatchi into pistol into dispatch and im getting another dispatch before pistol proc so its either latancy on the game side or my spell que window is wrong specifically for this spec

honor gear is honor gear i know

[spring bough]

your stats look fine

pistol > sinister for builders if ur less than 5 combo points. BTE > KS > Dispatch for finisher

[molten hedge]

Your gears bad tho

Everyone’s got conq gear at this point

[abstract stratus]

this is a fresh toon

[spring bough]

conq weps a huge boost for dmg

[abstract stratus]

so im just gonna have to thug it out

[molten hedge]

Yeah ofc it feels bad when everyone else has gear

4 set is nice

[potent pivot]

you can PS if you have more points

if 6 stacks

[molten hedge]

Dont forget BR bubba

[spring bough]

was tryna keep it simple lolol

BR on cooldown ofc

[outer sky]

Anyone have any idea why this mace randomly costs 1,225 conquest?

[potent pivot]

nop

noticed that the other day

[spring bough]

mog too good or something LOL

[potent pivot]

gotta be a mistake

[rough rock]

anddddd the blitz losing streak begins again

[spring bough]

i think it was supposed to be a caster one to go with the OH

since those are cheaper

[abstract stratus]

so casting slice and dice after adrenaline rush in the opener from stealth is the move

so roll adr slic cheap ect.

[spring bough]

or just open dispatch to get it

if SND isnt active usually better to dispatch over BTE to get it going

[rough rock]

Why would you waste a full combo point from adr on fucking snd

It’s auto applied with dispatch bro

[abstract stratus]

BRUH IM JUST READING AND TRYING STUFF ON DUMMY DONT YELL AT ME

[rough rock]

You’re fired

[abstract stratus]

the dummy could also be making this feel clunky as well cause somehow im getting white misses on the dummy

[spring bough]

just press buttons and you do damage as outlaw. EZ PZ

[dark kernel]

I wonder if it got the caster price assigned to it, because their main hand weapons are more expensive in their offhand cheaper

[potent pivot]

Bruh

The word is on the bot filter for a reason

[abstract stratus]

[jaunty terrace]

Any good guide or video about outlaw in 3s?

[potent pivot]

outlaw's current iteration just feels clunky anyway imo

[potent pivot]

not yet

might be one coming soon

[jaunty terrace]

Do you use finisher with 7cp or less is acceptable ?

[knotty oxide]

at 6 is fine

do we fw aug evokers

first time gonna do an 18 with one

shi wrong channel

mb xD

[potent pivot]

6 or more is the rule for Trickster. you can send KS on 5 though.

[amber sorrel]

Yo. Just added the varnishes to my 4 set so I’m set on that. But for the remaining gear slots, is it worth keeping some warmonger gear for the set bonuses or should it all be 289 conquest gear?

[potent pivot]

all conquest or conquest crafted

wpvp bonuses do not work in bg/arena

and even in wpvp the bonuses are trash

[amber sorrel]

Good to know, thank you

[potent pivot]

the 6% vers is actually like 1%

cuz its adding 6% of your current vers, not a flat +6%

[hybrid palm]

is bge broken ? sometimes it works sometimes not

[spring bough]

yes

Guess it’s time to grind out strategist…. Kinda cool the pendant is a back item this time around and not a toy

[potent pivot]

ez

i think i could even go crit cloak

[rough rock]

well back to 1900 blitz

love this dogshit game

[spring bough]

gotta get that crit up a point or two XD

[rough rock]

Braindead people calling the dumbest strats

then rage when there stupid ass strats dont work

[potent pivot]

yeh

[rough rock]

Why the fuck are you making me sit LH when we have paladin

[potent pivot]

i'm at like 24.9% haste if i remove cloak

[rough rock]

so stupid

[potent pivot]

so once i have conq neck that would be a lil over 25%

[spring bough]

bro dont listen to them just do ur own thing

[spring bough]

what if u went crit enchants on rings 👀

[rough rock]

its hard when the whole team does

and falling to 1900

im done with blitz this season

not going through that again

[potent pivot]

i mean technically i could replace chants and the last 2 gems

but meh

[spring bough]

i usually just ignore any team strats and go off bases or w/e

[lime oar]

don’t listen to stupid strats no matter how confident whoever is handing them out is or even if the whole team is in agreement. as a rogue on node maps especially, u know what is the right call. i had hunter sit LH the other day, me go mines, and for some reason a ret and one of our healers came with me and fucked it all up. ppl just don’t understand the rogue pov

[spring bough]

me and a rogue sniped GM earlier... not one on our team peeled... 4 enemy came GM we spun as long as we could... our team couldnt get WW and somehow they blamed us rogues for the loss lol

always a fun time out there

[lime oar]

that’s one of the worlds unsolved mysteries tbh

like wdym i just took mines and 4 horde responded and you STILL haven’t taken ww…

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[spring bough]

4 horde included BOTH their healers

and we still didnt get WW

and then some hunter had the audacity to say rogues didnt team fight thats why we lost LMAOOO

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-make-sense-evelyn-lozada-basketball-wives-make-it-easy-to-understand-vh1-gif-12903079294843758443

[potent pivot]

apparently outlaw is team fight now

i think thats what trim was sayin

but not on flag maps obv

[spring bough]

Yeah I don’t like that. Can still solo flag nodes and FC ez or go EFC

I usually go EFC and off nodes mostly

[jaunty osprey]

Deathmark isnt removable anymore

With caut flame

[outer sky]

Amazing

[potent pivot]

wait wuh

unannounced change?

[abstract stratus]

id bet its a bug because of the talent changes

[potent pivot]

dispelling deathmark needs to do 5000% attack power damage to everyone in radius of the target

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1497979301092393000/2026-04-26_18-58-34_-_Illidan_-_3v3_Black_Rook_Loss_-_Clipped_at_2026-04-26_19-09-28.mov?ex=69f22070&is=69f0cef0&hm=ac1dd959a80e62ea862dfca34a436d412032595db9d52ce254f0f451420ead3e&

tell me why this exists

on FLAME SHOCK

[outer sky]

Should make it so dispelling it makes the target that had it take all of the remaining damage of every bleed that was removed

[potent pivot]

no shot

it would just bug and do zero

[spring bough]

Is that from the current season??

[potent pivot]

yes

[spring bough]

Absolutely disgusting

They need to fix the dot too so it gets removed when u die

[potent pivot]

the dh hit reverse or something

and it insta deleted his entire team

[spring bough]

Remind me to never play that as DH

[potent pivot]

huh

[spring bough]

If u die with the dot in blitz

It stays active when u rez

So u just get knocked out of stealth

[potent pivot]

which one

[spring bough]

Flame shock

[potent pivot]

ahh

[outer sky]

This is so annoying

And its been in the game for months

[jaunty osprey]

ya idk, that’s what sources say

[abstract stratus]

can i get a thank fuck from the audience

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-fuck-phew-nervous-relieved-sweating-gif-13800809

[vocal surge]

Man

My sense of time rn is wack

A week only passed and it feels like 2 weeks have passed

[spring bough]

Wait till u hit 30 😂

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

im 38

[vocal surge]

XD

[spring bough]

A year gonna feel like a month 😭

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/milbul-seasons-sideways-tree-gif-26274980

life after 30:

[vocal surge]

Feels weird lol

[empty cargo]

is sub or outlaw better for trying to push 1600 or so in solo shuffle?

[potent pivot]

either is fine

assa too

whatever you're better at

[abstract stratus]

hook and step should be a choice node

[outer sky]

We won this game with a mistweaver monk that did less healing than our Arms Warrior

[potent pivot]

Hook takes some getting used to

Would recommend getting a cursor addon

[spring bough]

Used to be 🪦

RIP step kidney hook on healers

[potent pivot]

One of those addons that shows a circle where your cursor is even if you’re left clicking/right clicking

Helps keep you conscience of where your cursor is

[abstract stratus]

ive had one since i tried healing last expac

[potent pivot]

I usually use it on anything that has reticle targeted spells

Cuz I use [@cursor] for a lot of it

[spring bough]

https://x.com/kasuxoxoz/status/2049242639216578938?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

kasuxoxo (@kasuxoxoz)

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X · Apr 28, 2026, 9:41 PM

They know about death mark 👀

[potent pivot]

I am starting to dislike this guy

[spring bough]

“Let me tweet” 🤦‍♂️

[potent pivot]

Very much

[spring bough]

All he does is cry about rmp lol

[potent pivot]

Tf is this cartel he keeps talking about

[abstract stratus]

the cabal

[spring bough]

Cartel = rmp

The cabal that runs the tuning 😂

[outer sky]

I really wish this wasnt on a choice node with garrote silence....

[potent pivot]

my rebuttal

[spring bough]

[molten hedge]

Do you know of any good ones?

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure there's a qol addon that has it

i used to use WA for it

lemme see

finally

[potent pivot]

this addon has it but it has a lot of other shit

[potent pivot]

i think ultimate mouse cursor is one of the best ones

this one is kinda nifty

[spring bough]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rogueflow

[potent pivot]

what was the other damage number addon we were talking about

the other day

[spring bough]

Good one for bones and flurry

Someone in outlaw channel posted that earlier

[potent pivot]

i know i've got Fontmancer but there was another one yall were trying

that could hide autos or something

[potent pivot]

ew?

tf is this shit

[spring bough]

Reminders for RTB and flurry

Sound alerts so you don’t forget

[potent pivot]

i just use the CDM

been liking it so far

[spring bough]

Had to show off the jackpot

[potent pivot]

ofc

i feel like i get them all the time on dummies but when i'm pvping they're nowhere to be found

i think im gonna drop acro for sleight

also did you see what i said about PS

its already fine to PS on 5 combo points if you have 6 stacks

i think it might be fine to do even on 3 stacks

not 100% sure yet tho

[spring bough]

Just keep sending pistol everytime pretty much it’s doing too much dmg

[glass isle]

guys

i dont like outlaw in pvp

!!!!

[potent pivot]

y

[spring bough]

[glass isle]

i just feel like

sub is more fun

is all

[potent pivot]

i mean

[glass isle]

i dont feel like i do dmg on outlaw

[potent pivot]

i agree

[glass isle]

in comparison

[potent pivot]

but law def does dmg rn

[potent pivot]

also imp bte might be working

[spring bough]

Feel like we don’t even need it. Guess could drop sleight for it

[spring bough]

Or finding opp

[potent pivot]

it should be doing slightly more

should be like 120k

[abstract stratus]

I Want physical cloak back

[potent pivot]

this is all without supercharger as well

[spring bough]

I’m never giving up lethality now lol

[potent pivot]

hmmm

something is still wonky with this shit

a base bte is 40-45k

a crit with bte should be like 120k

with imp bte

buts its like its just choosing random crit dmg

its definitely doing more than a regular bte crit with no imp bte

no imp bte, normal crit dmg

with imp bte

this shit doesn't work

i think people must be getting confused because they see 100k+ bte's, but they aren't factoring in all the damage modifiers you get from other talents/procs/etc

[hybrid sapphire]

thug cleave kicks kicking our ass. what do we do? our mage is usually their kill target

[gleaming sentinel]

sub still super good

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Was that a FTH? Were the other two crits 46k too lol

I’ve had some FTHs add up to 150k

[potent pivot]

naw the other 2 on that set weren't crits i think

[spring bough]

Either way that’s what like 70-80k on one press lol

Straight into a 100k BTE into ace procs or more FTHs. GG lol

[potent pivot]

yea it feels ok so far

a little bit gamba cheesy

gonna keep trying it and other stuff

[spring bough]

Pistol about 40% crit chance with that one trickster hero talent. I wish I could get my crit to like 25-30. Get a 50% chance for pistol crit. Maybe a later season

[gleaming sentinel]

so you jut spam pistol shot? lol

[potent pivot]

no lol

you just consume opp procs as normal

they just do a bit more dmg

during cloud cover/triple fazed

they already do a lot even without lethality tbh

it just juices them a little more

[molten hedge]

are u not playing summarily dispatched?

[potent pivot]

I am

[molten hedge]

and Find an Opening?

[potent pivot]

Ya

[spring bough]

If FTH was up all the time I would

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea ok was gonna say, what the fuck

[stoic spruce]

yall

I have officially mastered the art of toxic positivity

I got someone to call me a list of slurs and frankly idk if I'll ever get a high like that again

[spring bough]

👀

[abstract stratus]

these blitz games are rough as shit

[severe helm]

Oh that's the best

Free from TOS

Just rage baiting the shit out of people

[rough rock]

damn ahegis playing outlaw

he kinds rolling people

[abstract stratus]

goofy ahh spellfire longsword

[wanton breach]

[abstract stratus]

nahjs team is having a bad time tonight feels bad

[rough rock]

@spring bough told him to try lethality and he hit 50k pistol shots and said "this spec is great" lmao

[stoic lava]

what spec you fellas running?

[outer sky]

Sub and Outlaw are both S+ tier while assa is like C tier

[stoic lava]

Sory haha meant what outlaw spec

ty though

[proven kayak]

Are they rage baiting ?

[proven kayak]

Bm ahh hunter brain

[dark moon]

Ret being anywhere but s+ is confirmed rage bait

[dark moon]

What about deathmark?

[outer sky]

Caut flame no longer dispels it

[severe helm]

idk outlaw feels pretty S tier

not sure sub is anymore though

sub seeming like A tier at most atm

outlaws dam is just ridiculous I kill people on accident

[outer sky]

Idk if its possible for being able to stun 2 people every DR and 3 every other DR to not be S tier. Its damage would have to be abysmal and even after all the nerfs Dance is still scary

[rough rock]

from worst spec to awesome

ill take it

[severe helm]

yeah maybe it is idk

outlaw just seems better

and tier lists are relative

so thats why I feel like it isnt the same tier as outlaw

so I would put A but I guess maybe S- or something

[outer sky]

Outlaw just doesnt stop

Like you never get a break

[severe helm]

outlaw is definitely insane rn

like it just kills

its doing infinite damage the whole game

[outer sky]

Yeah its just constant

[severe helm]

and like one good roll and a couple lucky PSes and someone just dies

like insta

its insane

[outer sky]

I feel like as a rogue im better equipped to deal with outlaw than most classes are because I actually have some buttons that slow it down and disrupt it fairly frequently

Idk how other classes with less CC are dealing with outlaw

[severe helm]

they arent

[gusty hedge]

im tired of seeing outlaw everywhere now

[outer sky]

Disarming ADR hardly feels like it even does anything anymore

Like logically I know it does

But I dont actually feel any safer when the outlaw is disarmed

[dark moon]

Was about time. Removing my 2 min cd with 1 min dispel

[outer sky]

Well it still removes garrote and rupture.

But if you reapply them they'll benefit from deathmark

While its active

[dark moon]

We gaming then

Is this a new change or has it been live this season

[outer sky]

New

[wanton breach]

wait whaaat how did I miss that

what about mending bandage and dwarves?

[outer sky]

Not sure

What i read said caut flame

[spring bough]

Just gonna spam pistol and BTE during it

[stoic lava]

feelsbad to not be able to play when outlaw is finally doing good damage haha

[marsh laurel]

Should i go for cloak + neck or last leather piece?
Would Need c + n to get haste goal.
@potent pivot

[harsh kiln]

Had this exact thing happen last night. 3s 2kmmr. Had one good roll, managed to get LOH AND bubble on a pally who were a bit deep into the tunnelvision and lining his healer. If the rng lines up outlaw is cracked

But if u roll a 1,3 times in a row, you're gonna live your longest minute of your life.

[mystic tundra]

Does the damage of outlaw make up for the control you lose vs playing as sub?

[stoic spruce]

If you're better with Outlaw yeah

Outlaw doesn't really play like a rogue anymore tbh

[neat canopy]

im just a nub, starting to climb and gearing, but outlaw is hella fun imo. and when it all lines up like someone said it cracks

[vocal surge]

How so?

[stoic spruce]

Not playing for team lockdown anymore

[vocal surge]

Theres different rogue playstyles in other g ames

that dont rely on team lockdown

[stoic spruce]

Such as

What else does rogue do historically besides kill in a kidney and team lockdown?

[vocal surge]

I said in other games

[stoic spruce]

Other... games?

Huh?

That's an option?

[vocal surge]

Ye

rn Outlaw's like a mix of Brigand and Assassin from EQ2

High damage and doesn't play fair (Brawler archetype as well)

I could argue Swashbuckler/Assassin archetype over Brigand tbh

but they're similar enough

[wicked shell]

Reckon outlaw will receive a nerf?

[stoic spruce]

Eventually

Odd it hasn't been already

[gusty hedge]

let it get nerfed after I start my rated que grind

still on my pve arc/ wpvp

[stoic spruce]

you based for that

I've been getting prepared for a roadtrip so I havent been playing wow other than leveling characters

[spring bough]

[ionic crown]

i just checked what most of r1 sub rogues are using vers/mast ring/neck from pvp vendor. so are these better than create ring/neck?

[molten hedge]

The only difference would be the weight of the stats

One has high mast and one has higher versa

[harsh kiln]

you can't get full gear yet right?

[ionic crown]

which one is best?

[harsh kiln]

i think it's a preference on what stats you want to max first

[molten hedge]

Almost we will be next week I think it’s one more piece then fully geared

[harsh kiln]

once you are uncapped im pretty ssure we'll see bis gear

[molten hedge]

True

[gleaming sentinel]

Conquest uncap is when PvP season actually starts imo

[stoic spruce]

Honestly true tbh

[rough rock]

Haven’t been able to check but I guess pvp modifiers work on dummies now?

[abstract stratus]

Gonna stack 50% vers and 35% haste on my sub rogue when it uncaps to make @potent pivot finally happy with me

[potent pivot]

They always have, it’s just that some randomly don’t

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

They’re using honor level neck still

Either way, it depends on if you personally want more vers or not

[potent pivot]

What spec? Either way it won’t make a difference rly at the end of the day

[molten hedge]

My friend who is an absolute terrorist on any class he tries is picking up outlaw. I’m excited to see how fast he surpasses me lol

[wanton breach]

Going full vers with conquest gear and crafted engineer vers head/bracers/boots

🔜

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

still going to die to random burst

[spring bough]

How goes the outlaw PvP today

Any new tek

[potent pivot]

what does ur ui look like with elles

[spring bough]

All I got right now. Can send another later. This is only like 1/4 of my screen since I play on an ultra wide monitor

I have bars all the way to the right and chat to the left that are off screen

[humble acorn]

Have been maining sub the past couple weeks in PvP and loving it. Rising up the ranks, have learnt the class well and am happy with where I'm at but occasionally get absolutely deleted by an assassin rogue.. is assassin slightly better 1v1?

[spring bough]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

ok idk if ima use it for pvp then ngl

looks a bit weird

[potent pivot]

assa has really good 1min/2min burst

in a 1v1 you don't really have much to try to live through it

you can feint

and you can vanish for healing/10% more DR

[humble acorn]

Yeah I have come across a few people that just play assassin so well I can't see a flaw to beat them. Was wondering if it's worth switching or continue getting better at sub

Sub is just so much fun

[potent pivot]

i don't think there's much reason to swap spec just because of assa

[abstract stratus]

Sin can feel REALLY bad into certain comps imo

[potent pivot]

you can also cloak their kingsbane pop iirc

[humble acorn]

Tbh 9/10 times I'll kill the assassin rogue in a 3v3 but have been struggling 1v1

[potent pivot]

you just can't remove deathmark/garrote/rupture

[molten hedge]

I’m not selling mine on the off chance they make them increase ilvl of things besides weps and trinkets

[potent pivot]

could randomly happen on the .7 patch ngl

i'd def save em up until then at least

[molten hedge]

For suree

[potent pivot]

(they will make a new, purple shard for all pieces instead)

for no reason at all

[grave basin]

if they made every slot upgradableit would be so aids to play alts

just perma behind

[potent pivot]

true

i have a feeling its coming in .7 tho idk

do we even know how long it takes pve to get all 4 slots upgraded

since they can't upgrade at all for a couple more weeks

[spring bough]

At the current crest rate it still sucks lol

It’s what max out one mythic track item a week with how it is now 😭

[spring bough]

I’d imagine a week per so what like 7-8 weeks till people maxed? 😂

[grave basin]

muh alts and warband progression lessons left from korthia has left the chat

feels like the A team has moved on to TLT and we're left with the leftover skeleton crew

[potent pivot]

yeah thats like the exact time for patch

they've been doing 7-8 weeks from .1 to .5 so likely the same for .7

[spring bough]

Just in time to max ilvl 4 slots for a new catchup to be added 😂

[gusty hedge]

yeah i have too many alts rn and dnt think ill be upgrading anyof them other tahn base conquest

[gusty hedge]

[grave basin]

my dk that dinged 90 last sunday already has a 285 crafted 2h

this one's on you lol

[gusty hedge]

i havent done a mythic im slacking , pure delves and lfr

[spring bough]

10s are honestly so easy you already have the ilvl to do it

And with the new turbo boost bonus rolls. You can spend 1 charge for a mythic track roll from them 🔥

[grave basin]

you only need 1 m+

do a t11 delve and get the cracked keystone and post that group up on lfg

it's just a +2 so get anyone that signs up

dead game

[spring bough]

Yeah man get into some 10s they are fun asf on outlaw

Ez 100k plus dps right there for u

[grave basin]

i hate my chunges life

[spring bough]

“Dead game” and ques off hours when everyone at work 😂

[spring bough]

How the F do u have warglaives mogs

Am I missing something here

@potent pivot what hacks did this guy do

[potent pivot]

illegal

[gusty hedge]

i see glaives but i also seee dagger/sword

[spring bough]

My guy used the wrong set 😭

[grave basin]

I HAVE PVE GEAR ON AND I CANT PRESS DISPATCH

[spring bough]

You are avoiding the question

How the F do u have a warglaives mog

[gusty hedge]

[spring bough]

We need the tech

[potent pivot]

its not mog

the illegal kind

[potent pivot]

.

[spring bough]

Are those not glaives

[potent pivot]

idk the ss is dogshit

but uhh

[spring bough]

🔍

[potent pivot]

you realize that illegal programs exist right

[spring bough]

No?

[potent pivot]

ya

no one else sees him with glaives

if it is what i think it is

which its gotta be

[grave basin]

it is

lol

[potent pivot]

yep

[potent pivot]

the real fucking question here

is why are you using this season's dogass tmog

if you're using that program

you could be illidan himself

[grave basin]

im not

im generic human female using old model

it just doesnt appear on character panel

[potent pivot]

ohhh

all the hunters are getting together in ceit's stream

and plotting on how to overthrow the cartel

[spring bough]

Sounds like a cesspool of ……. No comment I can make here

[spring bough]

Is that outlaw as S tier 😭

[potent pivot]

all hunters rally against outlaw rogue

[spring bough]

TF did outlaws do to them

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

we personally got MM nerfed

its our fault

[gleaming sentinel]

Outlaw is S tier

[spring bough]

How did sin make s tier too

[gleaming sentinel]

Like, to say it’s not is crazy

[potent pivot]

you're missing the point

[spring bough]

Does that make sub S++ tier

[potent pivot]

sadboy bias

[spring bough]

It is but secretly

[spring bough]

🤦‍♂️

$20 outlaw avoids pve nerfs and PvP nerfs

[gleaming sentinel]

Frankly: put kidney on restless blades cdr

[spring bough]

And add evasion and feint while they are at it 🔥

Outlaw would be indestructible

[grave basin]

globito is actually a good streamer

ive never seen someone lean so hard into the character of his toon

and it's not cringe

[potent pivot]

ye hes funny

but he is anti rogue so

not allowed to like him

[grave basin]

the real bias is gonna be when he rates BM

100% gonna sandbag

[spring bough]

“F tier” needs buffs 😂

[grave basin]

bm lowkey broken rn

damage every 30 seconds lines up perfectly with stun trap

[spring bough]

Hunters always got it ez

[potent pivot]

ya

i always find the differences between NA and EU funny too

like

in EU they act as if they can only play the top 6-8 specs in the game or something

where in NA most people just play whatever they fuckin want and make it work idk

[spring bough]

EU superiority complex or something idk

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw til i die, my only regret is not playing this spec soonerr

[potent pivot]

Rogue >

[spring bough]

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-drunk-leo-leonardo-di-caprio-cheers-gif-10195246

[fathom crag]

eu ppl dont play for fun

they play whatver is the meta only

every game is fotm s++++ comp any mmr haha

[potent pivot]

Now they are war gaming vs havoc/devo/mw

Tf is this

[spring bough]

How many outlaws we up to on the season

[potent pivot]

That’s just so weird to me idk

Vidya game are for fun

[jaunty terrace]

why do we play subterfurge in outlaw?

[potent pivot]

You don’t have to

[jaunty terrace]

and if we take, it's only for the second vanish?

[potent pivot]

Yea

[jaunty terrace]

ok

[potent pivot]

Subterfuge also helps you still cheap

If you get knocked

But it isn’t a dps thing for outlaw at all anymore

[jaunty terrace]

okok

and do we use ambush or never?

[spring bough]

Remove ambush from ur bar never press it lol

[jaunty terrace]

but during subterfurge

ambush = SS no?

[obsidian moon]

hi is there a way to track your outlaw buffs with the new ui thing ?

without weakauras

[spring bough]

Nope. Audacity changes SS to ambush but no one’s running that

[spring bough]

Yeah the cooldown manager. It’s customizable in the blizz settings

[potent pivot]

No

Change ambush to strike on your stealth bar

[obsidian moon]

how the hell do i move it ?

[potent pivot]

Take it out of the timer section

Sec

[potent pivot]

you have it in "tracked bars" atm

put it in "tracked buffs"

you can move any CDM stuff from edit mode

[obsidian moon]

got it

perfect ty

[potent pivot]

thats how mine looks

@spring bough there's another new glaive we can mog

i can't find it now, i think it comes from decor duels

its like red and gold

[spring bough]

Can’t they just make illidan warglaives a sword again

[potent pivot]

if only

[lime oar]

so dumb considering who actually used them in tbc

dh wasn’t even a conception yet

[spring bough]

Cause DH is blizz new love child

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

[lime oar]

guys i’m really liking outlaw but do i recraft all my gear

i do not want to level another rogue

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[spring bough]

Crazy dedication lol

I’ve got two 90s and that’s gonna be it for a while

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/reluctantly-alonzo-mourning-shakes-head-disappointed-gif-5692869

[potent pivot]

Would recrafting even get you the right stats

[gusty hedge]

and these 2 i just been ignoring

[potent pivot]

I found another guy with 4 laws

He has 1 for every stat

Full crit, full haste, full mastery, and haste/crit

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-him-already-declan-donnelly-britain's-got-talent-i-already-adore-him-i-already-like-him-gif-3314332501721476202

[gleaming sentinel]

I won’t forget you abusing guardian at the start

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

Outlaw with no haste is pain

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

Servo’s long lost twin brother

[potent pivot]

Ikr

[spring bough]

Imagine outlaw with a good mastery rework that somehow gave us haste too 😂

[lime oar]

i think so

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy)
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[lime oar]

the 20% is before or after scaled

[spring bough]

At PvP ilvl

[potent pivot]

Ye but you usually want more

[lime oar]

and what are yall stopping at. in 4 set and basically full honor gear i have 21% at pvp ilvl

[potent pivot]

Especially for trickster

25% is the max pretty much

You also want like 25% or more vers too tho

[lime oar]

ok i have 22 rn if i recrafted id be set i think. only thing is i have an honor main hand

[potent pivot]

That is rough ngl

[lime oar]

[potent pivot]

Everyone else has 298 mainhand basically

[lime oar]

yeah my off hand is 298

[potent pivot]

MH is bigly

Compared to everything else

I said fuck it and leveled my 3rd rogue this ssn

[lime oar]

ugh

[potent pivot]

I’d rather be able to play all 3 specs anyway tho

[spring bough]

8% haste is insane

What’s it take one full minute from 0 energy to max?

[gleaming sentinel]

At least do a variety of different races

[spring bough]

https://x.com/kasuxoxoz/status/2049533206836249023?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

kasuxoxo (@kasuxoxoz)

i see new tier list

X · Apr 29, 2026, 4:56 PM

Apparently outlaw is the Cartel now

[surreal barn]

Always has been

[gusty hedge]

Idk if ima lvl anymore this season

[spring bough]

Oh my have u resubbed yet

[spring bough]

Gotta do the Tauren

[gleaming sentinel]

High mountain outlaw bis bis bis

[surreal barn]

I logged in to my battle net - does that count?

[spring bough]

Next steps buy midnight resub and level outlaw

[surreal barn]

I didn’t feel the need to keep playing after finding out @potent pivot character names

[spring bough]