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potent pivot
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everyone in the lobby was lower

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kinda odd

spring bough
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i dont get it bro

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i went 4-2 lobby before

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2-4 the lobby before that

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maybe cause its early in the day?

potent pivot
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_>

potent pivot
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what are ur q times

gleaming sentinel
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Just wait til tomorrow bro, lol

spring bough
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thought i had elite right there RIP

spring bough
abstract stratus
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There’s a secret fix for BGE that is letting people click frames again

potent pivot
potent pivot
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even weirder ngl

potent pivot
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or shouldn't be

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blizzard is unrestricting it

abstract stratus
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There’s people who have had access to clicking all week evidently

potent pivot
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wheres this coming from

abstract stratus
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Weed Tyler stream is where I noticed it and now there are Reddit threads talking about it

outer sky
abstract stratus
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Weed Tyler is friends with the dev of the addon so it would make sense he would get it

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I watched him click through the whole team on a cart map

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I shouldn’t say whole he clicked 3 people on non flag or orb map

potent pivot
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weedtyler should have the same updated BGE as everyone else

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but he does test the addon's updates for the dev too

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so like

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even if its true he can click through every single frame

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it has NOT been all week, at all

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maybe he was testing new changes to the addon that were being developed

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but ik for sure he hasn't been able to click through since the .5 patch, just didn't watch yesterday at all

spring bough
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BGE only clickable when people near me

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it finally shows enemy now

potent pivot
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ya u have to be in range to target them or they have to be on an objective or somethin

spring bough
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Do I even Que shuffle again today

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Think I’m just gonna slam blitz atp

potent pivot
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q devourer

spring bough
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I’m itching for that elite lol

potent pivot
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the amount of rogues is starting to get uhhh

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concerning

spring bough
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If this one priest coulda played better earlier coulda had a 6-0

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GD dps evoker with infinite CC

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Other priest was exploiting with the Mind Control DC

proven kayak
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So many in every rbg

potent pivot
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i still see more sub rogues out in the wild

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so far

spring bough
potent pivot
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but in rated lots of fomolaws popping up ya

spring bough
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I’ve had the same ret on every blitz today and me and him are balling on people

spring bough
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Ez

proven kayak
spring bough
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Awh man this ret is finally on the enemy team

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Only 1v1 rogue for this AB blitz

spring bough
potent pivot
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I have a feeling we will get outlaw tuning this week

spring bough
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I hope not

potent pivot
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Maybe assa will get buffed again 🔥

spring bough
potent pivot
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Run a muck

proven kayak
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Outlaw rogue seems unkillable in blitz

potent pivot
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Deathmark needs to be made 1min and a personal buff

potent pivot
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Especially if u can stun them before they feint

spring bough
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Feels good

potent pivot
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Hell even through feint depending

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Especially as sub

proven kayak
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I’m talking about blitz bot shuffle

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I’ve never had problem at shuffle

potent pivot
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How does that change it

spring bough
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Outlaw controlling flags out here

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I love it

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AB and EOTS so ez

proven kayak
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I’m getting baited to play outlaw so much the last days but instead I will level up my surv hunter

potent pivot
spring bough
potent pivot
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also has insane mobility

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just not enough people playing it and no1 has really figured the spec out fully yet

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it being so new

spring bough
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No star build spamming devour/cull is insane

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100k plus every press pretty much

jolly sierra
spring bough
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For shuffle S tier CC lmao

potent pivot
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i think mages/warlocks will always be good in blitz

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but like

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hunter/rogue are kinda blitz god mode

molten hedge
spring bough
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Rogue kinda soloing anything for node caps right now

potent pivot
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boomie/devourer are also isnane

spring bough
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It’s actually so good ngl lol

molten hedge
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Idk if they’re gonna tune more I feel like they’re tired of PvP tuning lmao

spring bough
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Being able to solo rets for node capes makes me smile

potent pivot
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they will def tune more

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the only question is

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will it be before or after the next awc cup

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because logically they'd wait until after

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so not next week, but the week after

molten hedge
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Outlaw may go under the radar bc not a lot of ppl play it. It does need somethin tho

spring bough
molten hedge
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How is it performing in PvE

potent pivot
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nothing groundbreaking

molten hedge
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Maybe it gets its turn to be the op spec this ssn

potent pivot
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double outlaw isn't 'optimal'

potent pivot
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when is it subs turn to be op for a ssn

molten hedge
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In prepatch

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If rog and ww get nerfed it feels like arms is gonna take over

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Gonna have arms mage every game

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Like s2 TWW iirc

potent pivot
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buff sub rogue

molten hedge
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Buff sub

potent pivot
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nerf mage

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buff assa

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nerf law

proven kayak
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buff survival

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😄

potent pivot
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remove ret from game

molten hedge
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TRUE

potent pivot
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buff MM by 1.5%

proven kayak
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true

molten hedge
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It’s funny how they nerfed mm so quickly this sssn but last ssn cba to look at them

potent pivot
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i mean mm was disgustingly op

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this past week

molten hedge
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Yeah it was bad

stoic spruce
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Buff dk

potent pivot
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like every comp at top of ladder turned into hunter/x/x

molten hedge
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Uhdk does stupid damage

stoic spruce
molten hedge
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Yeah literally could play with any caster and it be good

potent pivot
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buff blood

stoic spruce
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Buff blood

stoic spruce
molten hedge
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Do you guys like tanks in blitz

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And arena

stoic spruce
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I don't mind them in arena

spring bough
stoic spruce
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It's so bad

spring bough
stoic spruce
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They do this literally every time

spring bough
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waited till he popped all his shit

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hit all my defensives

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and just ADR prep ADR him into the ground

molten hedge
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We’ve been beating Hunter teams by having my mage line Hunter all game and just clobber the DK/ret/feral

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It’s been working nicely

potent pivot
stoic spruce
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If you let unholy do his go that's totally on you

molten hedge
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Fdk can be scary

potent pivot
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it just sucks for the few guys that are "actual" main tanks cuz if they want to pvp they're kinda ...

molten hedge
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I can peel it but I only have one trinket so 2nd pillar is scary

spring bough
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And never come back inside

stoic spruce
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We play rogue, we don't get to have a say on who should touch grass

stoic spruce
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You say that like it's perpetually good

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I'm actually doing myself a disservice

spring bough
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I just made a new ret bnet friend from blitz today kekdog

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Bros a blitz maxi OMEGAKEKW

stoic spruce
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That's crazy

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I forgot people live and breathe blitz

rough rock
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You can even just do it yourself in game like if there’s a Pres on a fc map you know he’s gonna be running so you just do a /tar name macro and you can see them all game

spring bough
rough rock
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It’s annoying to do at the start of every game but it works

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I just do it for rogues and fcs

molten hedge
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I laugh at the blitz players who think they’re hot shit getting elite

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But are 1600 with 1000 rounds pkayed

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The disparity is real

rough rock
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I mean depending on how lucky you get that shit can feel like an actual challenge

molten hedge
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Everyone I check will have a 400-600 diff in shuffle and blitz

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I’ve never seen someone close

rough rock
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I got less rounds in shuffle then I do games in blitz and my blitz is higher 🤣

abstract stratus
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I’m tryna get more blitz games in but last few nights have been BAD

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I think seeing bodymassage in that one game has been a bad omen for me

rough rock
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Yeah I was on a 80% win rate at the start of the week then 2 days ago lost like 4 in a row and called it lmao

abstract stratus
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My mmr is still uber high so my losses aren’t sapping cr yet but im getting around 30ish a win

potent pivot
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so that SHOULD be true for literally every person you check that plays more than just blitz

spring bough
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outlaw is so broken on temple

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actually insane

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this DR from cloud cover

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such a life saver

abstract stratus
potent pivot
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ye its still good

rough rock
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It’s kinda funny

potent pivot
rough rock
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Got almost 5 macros for it haha

abstract stratus
rough rock
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I usually just drop rogue and fc macro

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Wild that you can still track people across the map with that but bge can’t

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So I’m sure there’s a private addon going around or people testing for BGE

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New meta gonna be having weird character in your name 😭

spring bough
abstract stratus
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Honestly same

rough rock
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Next day bge will have it watch

abstract stratus
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Pœtætœ incoming

rough rock
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I mean it’s kinda stupid we can do that but can’t have the addon do it

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Like actual braindead blizzard

abstract stratus
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Small indie company remember

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Do yall think duo dps Que on blitz would be better than duo dps healer

static holly
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Maybe bge uses a workaround by creating somehow a simple tar macro now instead of a clickable label. Idk

potent pivot
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next week at the latest

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fyi

rough rock
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Oh good

static holly
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Why

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No need. More fun

spring bough
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When will I be able to sit in blitz Que and also be able to signup for premade groups to do shit while I wait 😭

potent pivot
static holly
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Wow... What a good argument

rough rock
# static holly Why

I mean if I can do it with a macro why shouldn’t I be able to do it with a addon

static holly
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In that case yes... But I still prefer less add-ons

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Because they give an unfair advantage

rough rock
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Eh I think that’s debatable depending on what it’s doing. I don’t mind alerts and ui stuff

spring bough
rough rock
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I will agree I think blitz would be better off without being able to track people across the map at any time tho

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Feel like people would be forced to actually learn to not tunnel mid but then again…it’s blitz lmao

static holly
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Yeah just create maps with a hole on the mid

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Based on the teams most things are predictable but yet ppl don't listen and fail for it. Like stealth class on enemies teams and node maps etc

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Funny so much stupidity

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But its way more enjoyable later at 2k+ mmr

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I might try to play some priest in blitz. Not sure how good oracle is but shuffle not that easy as average player. Mates run away and do stupid things

spring bough
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Every warrior ever “I’m going mid” 😂

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blitz right now is me, 2 other rogues, survival and MM vs 2 rogues

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8 rogues/hunts for the lobby LOL

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utter domination

proven kayak
spring bough
proven kayak
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5 rogues is crazy

proven kayak
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Guys realistically what’s the best way to lvl up 80-90

spring bough
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next lobby im on twin peaks and we have a guardian druid.... lol

spring bough
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its like delve farming and delve quests

proper vortex
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Addon: Follow the arrow is pretty good

proven kayak
proper vortex
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5-7 hours with 15% xp buff

proven kayak
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Cool

molten hedge
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I preferred Azeroth pilot reloaded over FTA averaged 20-30 min levels

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But I memorized the route basically bc I did it so many times so naturally faster

proven kayak
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I’m gonna do some tw dung brain dead activity

spring bough
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what type of rogue

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sits mid on twin peaks to sap

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havent seen this enemy rogue anywhere other then him sapping people at mid LOL

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outlaw on EFC big big dam

gleaming sentinel
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Van gonna get more solo games in this week than i will all season

spring bough
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I think I have a problem

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If I can rip 7 straight blitz wins I think I’m elite

dark kernel
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I think after this next reset, I'm one more week from full epics

gleaming sentinel
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I have played 5 blitz games and like… 80 shuffles all season

dark kernel
molten hedge
spring bough
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outlaw feels so good not to play right now

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yall missing out for when the nerf notes come out on friday /cry

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Gilneas map with a guardian druid.... oh boy

gleaming sentinel
outer sky
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Hey guys I think Cupid might be good this season

spring bough
spring bough
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Nerf ret

outer sky
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The funniest thing is they were losing to us LOL

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like how

spring bough
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actually insane they havent fixed flame shock persisting thru rez

outer sky
gilded gulch
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first assa placement lobby

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2x outlaw and prot pal

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the fuck

outer sky
gilded gulch
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well one of them died in dm kb

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for pressing nothing

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in the first 40 seconds

outer sky
# gilded gulch for pressing nothing

I was just doing 3s and the enemy sub rogue with multi glad xp trinketed the first stun of the game to not be CCd on his dance/blades and then died next DR in a Kidney>bomb

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Like why would you ever do that as a rogue vs another rogue

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he has to know what the other side of that looks like

gilded gulch
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you dont unless

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you know you can trinket for kill

outer sky
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he legit just opened

gilded gulch
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Yeah idk it always happens

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its like when playing rogue in shuffle nobody ccs you during damage

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they’ll cc you 0 cds popped 20 yd away

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though im slowly becoming less convinced

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that haste sub is good

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idk

proven kayak
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Mastery bomb > all

gilded gulch
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like even in shuff i feel

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you never have full dance uptime

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to begin with

proven kayak
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I have only played sub and yes there are sometimes you run out of dance but not for long

spring bough
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The guy going through things 😭

gilded gulch
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its usually only if you sent only dance during sb

proven kayak
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Maybe 7% haste is cap

gilded gulch
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to hit somebody else that dr set

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if you only commit one dance per set of stun drs you dont really run out

proven kayak
spring bough
gilded gulch
proven kayak
gilded gulch
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gloves shoulders and legs

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all have a bit of haste

exotic dove
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!stats

lethal roostBOT
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These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

outer sky
spring bough
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wondering if i PVE craft up my cape or if i do ring and use it for PVP too

molten hedge
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RMP is insane rn let’s not kid ourselves. It’s funny that outlaw being as good as it is is still #7

molten hedge
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Yeah lmao

molten hedge
outer sky
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Needs buffs for sure

molten hedge
dark kernel
outer sky
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Literally

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There is not a single healing external hpal has that ret doesnt

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Plus ret has sanc

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And they have the same CC (blinding light, searing glare, HoJ)

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And the same personal defensives (divine protection and Divine Shield)

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In fact Ret's Sac is on a shorter CD than Hpals

spring bough
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oh my i just scored a bnet healer that wants to que blitz

outer sky
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Certainly I get r1

spring bough
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bro wtf why u mogging on me right now LOL

outer sky
spring bough
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pretty much means im better lol

dark kernel
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I understand

outer sky
spring bough
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its all over social media youre doomed

outer sky
verbal field
outer sky
spring bough
verbal field
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lmao

gilded gulch
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what was the dumb trend again

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guys hammering their jaw

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to make it more "aesthetic"

spring bough
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bone smashing

vale steppe
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any addon for blitz mmr?

verbal field
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some hardcore looksmaxxing shit

outer sky
gilded gulch
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i feel ret is mostly gamerdads

verbal field
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i reinstalled it couple weeks ago, first 2 clips were alr enough to uninstall it again

gilded gulch
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also like how is vanguards still

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the only notable ret player

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after like

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god knows how long

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????

outer sky
gilded gulch
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bro has been at the top since cata

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has savix been r1

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also hasnt he been a classic andy

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for the past 5+ years

outer sky
gilded gulch
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hes an entertaining guy but was under the impression he was just high glad

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idk why

severe helm
gilded gulch
spring bough
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less rets the better

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ran downstairs got my food and the second i sat down my blitz que popped

lime oar
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savix is THE ret paladin

potent pivot
spring bough
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!stats

lethal roostBOT
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These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

severe helm
# potent pivot You can’t go off %

why exactly is that? Is there some inconsistency between haste rating and percent? Or is this just cuz dance extension ignores percent haste from things like racials?

severe helm
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goofy

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so PI/hero doesnt extend dance?

potent pivot
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I think they do but not sure

severe helm
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well they wouldnt by what youre saying though right?

potent pivot
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Idk

severe helm
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weirdge

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would explain why PI is such low value for sub ig

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let me check

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lol

potent pivot
potent pivot
hybrid sapphire
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Good afternoon rogues what’s the good news

spring bough
hybrid sapphire
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Good tonight I get WF shuffle glad

spring bough
hybrid sapphire
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👉👈

marble oasis
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ret pallys man

vocal surge
potent pivot
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trying to decide if i do engi vers bracers and what rings @spring bough @vocal surge

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thinking 1 conq haste and either 1 conq crit or 1 crafted haste ring

spring bough
potent pivot
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the engi bracers would be my only engi piece so i think that'd be decent

rough rock
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why not just do engi helm

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oh tier

potent pivot
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4set

spring bough
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i have everything but helm for 4 set lol

rough rock
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yeah same lol

spring bough
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haste/verse conq one for me

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and verse honor crafted engi helm ima upgrade soon

potent pivot
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i haven't made 4set yet but i have conq helm/shoulders/chest

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most people went helm 4p

rough rock
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try out lethality

potent pivot
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prolly from pivoting from sub

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but

potent pivot
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lots of ppl did engi helm

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and couldn't make that tier

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etc

spring bough
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i was thinking of upgrading my PVE ring to 285 and using it for pvp

potent pivot
rough rock
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i mean to be fair the cd with 4 set feels exactly the same

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like zero difference

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the damage is nice ig

potent pivot
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4set is good for sure

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imo

rough rock
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nah i trust

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i was too hung up on the verse

spring bough
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if i do my pve ring for rated do i keep it crit/haste or go haste/verse on it lol

potent pivot
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i already bought conq helm i already knew i didn't want gogs

topaz bramble
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we still aiming for vers>haste>mast or is crit bigger now since 12.0.5?

potent pivot
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problem is i haven't made 4p

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so my haste/vers are slightly higher than they will be

topaz bramble
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sub soz

spring bough
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i just got the raid version of the shattered dagger pretty cool recolors

rough rock
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wtf how do you have 24% verse with that haste

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OH

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your crit is low

potent pivot
marble oasis
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Am i missing something with our stats?
everyone i check who's higher rated has like no haste at all

rough rock
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Murlok doesnt show in pvp stats

potent pivot
marble oasis
potent pivot
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trying to decide on engi bracers or haste/vers

potent pivot
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its better for blitz/rmp type shit

marble oasis
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hmm, i might need to rethink my gear then as that's bascially all i do blitz i mean and my stats atm

molten hedge
potent pivot
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idk if we can even get 25 haste

molten hedge
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Is that law

potent pivot
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with 4set

molten hedge
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U can in pvp

potent pivot
potent pivot
molten hedge
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I have 25

potent pivot
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in what world

molten hedge
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Azeroth

potent pivot
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would i be talking about stats outside of pvp

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...

molten hedge
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Oh lol idk my laws have 25 with 4 set

potent pivot
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with no engi pieces or

molten hedge
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No engi

potent pivot
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ye thats why

molten hedge
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Ah ya

potent pivot
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im trying to decide on conq bracers or engi

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cuz atm my haste/vers are both higher than the will be with 4set

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using 2p rest conq atm

spring bough
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25 haste >>

potent pivot
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vers might be rly low

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can craft a haste dagger later too

molten hedge
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Do u plan on playing the 3% vers talent

potent pivot
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only into sub

marble oasis
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thanks!

molten hedge
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Kasu posted on his story why did I know it was about the cartel

potent pivot
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that guy be tweeting mad gibberish

molten hedge
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Lmaooo yea

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Bros tilted off the planet after mm nerfs

hybrid sapphire
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arena partner telling me to go sub. when will my people know peace

rough rock
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lmao decided to do the bots for the quest thing and felt like a god lol

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had more hp than our actual tank

spring bough
potent pivot
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actually useless content now ICANT

solid kernel
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Anybody figured out the Voidgalacting item

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it says word by word that its used for weapons or trinkets

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but can u use it on armor too?

potent pivot
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no

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weps/trinkets only

solid kernel
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Im sad about this

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I was rocking

potent pivot
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why

solid kernel
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Cause i had my 2 bis daggers

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from the raid

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cause the daggers pvp from rogues

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are bad stats

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Crit is not something u want as Sub

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But the hungering void from mythic gives mastery and vers

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but I cannot use the upgrade on it

potent pivot
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using the crit daggers is fine

solid kernel
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Double crit dagger?

molten hedge
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u get so many slivers it doesnt even matter

potent pivot
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yes

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we will craft mastery daggers to upgrade after conq uncaps

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there's nothing else to spend slivers on anyway, we will end up with a shitload extra

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just use the free weapon tokens on crit daggers and upgrade them

solid kernel
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Whats silvers?

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Conq?

hybrid sapphire
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yea wtf is the point of all these slivers

potent pivot
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the upgrade slivers

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to make pvp items 298

solid kernel
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wait

molten hedge
solid kernel
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oh voidsilver

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yaya

potent pivot
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yes

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just buy conq daggers and upgrade them

solid kernel
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so we technically only need 20 for now

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and 10 later on

potent pivot
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ye

solid kernel
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when we craft daggers?

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kk

potent pivot
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exactly

solid kernel
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Fastest method to farm more?

potent pivot
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shuffle/blitz should be faster

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but just q any rated

solid kernel
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Rated only?

potent pivot
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ye

solid kernel
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Got hard flamed

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by a random

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saying my gear

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was shit

spring bough
solid kernel
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??????My gear is so optimal

solid kernel
potent pivot
solid kernel
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I mean

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the only pve items i have

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are my tiersets

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which are mythic track

potent pivot
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u can add pvp ilvl to them

solid kernel
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so having them 6/6 mythic

potent pivot
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those say hero no?

solid kernel
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Only the shoulder

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tommorow reset

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im getting the shoulder with conquest

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and my chest mythic 6/6 track piece

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so its 289ilvl

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Hero 6/6 is 276ilvl, the same as a blue gear so

potent pivot
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what are those rings

solid kernel
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pvp rings

potent pivot
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hmm

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i can't stand that UI ngl

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hard af to read any of it kekdog

solid kernel
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lol

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theres everyhting on it doe

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PvP ilvl

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and what kind of gear it is

stiff cedar
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2x 276 tier pieces kinda rough but those are legit the only pieces that are bad. your pvp ilvl probs higher than mine jsut cause of your 285 pve pieces lmao

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buying a second conq trinket before upgrading tier shoulders is a choice tho

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eh maybe reasonable with voidslivers now that i think about it

solid kernel
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I mean, the hero gear I have,

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would be the same ilvl

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as a blue pvp gear no?

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blue pvp gear is 276ilvl

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hero 6/6 is 276ilvl

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so its the same?

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exact same stats

stiff cedar
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it would but it's on a slot such as chest which has a lot of stats, so that slot would be an early prio to upgrade is all

solid kernel
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Ya I kinda trolled on that

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but tommorow

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this chest is goinbg to be 6/6 mythic track

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and im getting the shoulders

stiff cedar
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idk what that is but upgrade is good so nice

solid kernel
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with conquest

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So

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PvE items

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When u get them in Mythic

stiff cedar
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ik its a track

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idk what ilvl 6/6 mythic track is

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is what i meant

solid kernel
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289ilvl

stiff cedar
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ah nice

solid kernel
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My 2nd dagger

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Is from the raid

stiff cedar
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ya i get how pve gear works in general just don't have it memorized

solid kernel
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better than having the dagger sword combo cause of bad stats

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Trying to mid-max my pve gear, and make up for the pvp gear aswell

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which helps a lot

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PVE GEAR

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got my trinket 6/6 mythic both, 289ilvl, pants, too bis

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Tommorow I should be 290ilvl in pvp

stiff cedar
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ya i'm overcapped by 20 on my dev still missing upgrades on my mage OMEGAKEKW

lime oar
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!stats

lethal roostBOT
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These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

potent pivot
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!stats

lethal roostBOT
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These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

stiff cedar
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IE 6.2 seconds is 7 globals with 0.2s margin

potent pivot
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!tier

lethal roostBOT
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Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

potent pivot
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new command HOLY

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hmm

gleaming sentinel
spring bough
potent pivot
spring bough
potent pivot
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Dunno if I’ll q much tn I’m already rly fried

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S1 stats are so annoying

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They really need to get rid of vers

spring bough
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could use early season pvp gear for it lol

potent pivot
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Yeah but when it’s not good for your spec it just feels ass

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And vers is terrible for 95% of specs in the game

mystic tundra
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Outlaw or sub better paired with a lock?

potent pivot
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With sub/lock you’ll have infinite cc

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nice

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lol

spring bough
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no humans

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when the hell did outlaw bounce into the top 10 lololol

molten hedge
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Murloks fried

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which one of u mf so bad u couldnt even find the L

hybrid sapphire
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im hardstuck 1700 as assa RMP. anything obvious im probably missing? i know im not this bad of a player lol

molten hedge
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are you lining up kingsbane and ray/combust

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feel like it could have some nasty one shots

hybrid sapphire
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trying albeit not well

potent pivot
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Obviously they take no Ls so why would they have one?

molten hedge
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told hold?

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show me your tool tool tip

molten hedge
gleaming sentinel
potent pivot
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You fuckin typed yours

molten hedge
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guilty

gleaming sentinel
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Also I know “crankthathog” is not trying to roast someone’s name bro

molten hedge
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i was eating a chickfila breakfast burrito and got sidetracked

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some hot sauce on dat bitch with the roasted bbq sauce is goodd

stiff cedar
river pollen
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Man i hate blitz im sticking to solo

river pollen
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Nvm last game was lit

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Duality of wow player

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Did they increase sliver rng

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So easy to farm them now

potent pivot
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At first it was weird cuz you’d get them way faster on alts during placement games

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So I assume they fixed it for chars that were already out of placements

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They were def rough to get before

hybrid sapphire
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bro im killing it in shuffies

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exboyfriend is BACK

gilded gulch
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where is the pvp training dummy

potent pivot
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where my arrow is

gilded gulch
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also i’ve only seen 1 sliver

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in 4 shuffle lobbies

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I’m doing assa placements and already seeing healer diff lobbies

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of one healer going 5-1 or 6-0

potent pivot
gilded gulch
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i swear the rdruids that try to rake stun opener

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are such a prime kill target

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cant say assa feels “better” though

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but alot of people seemingly dont expect kb damage

potent pivot
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like better than other specs or better than assa felt week 1 KEKW

gilded gulch
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than sub

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sub can be annoying in lobbies where your other dps doesnt hit your stuns however

rough rock
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Is it basically impossible to have 1 character do pve and pvp

stiff cedar
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I dont do much pve but I thought that issue got better* when they stopped making our crafts use up sparks

potent pivot
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like crafting the random 285 ilvl off pieces

rough rock
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im not trying to do anything super crazy

potent pivot
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for pve you usually wanna use your first pve craft on a mainhand weapon with an embellishment, then an off piece for another embellishment, then the rest to replace low ilvl slots

rough rock
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Dont i still have stuff for that?

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actually let me log in and check

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What about my tier set?

potent pivot
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and well

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if u have 4 set you'll just farm catalyst charges and catalyst high ilvl pieces

rough rock
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this is for pve right?

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or is there a better one

potent pivot
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you can upgrade the pve ilvl of your pvp set, but its champ track and idk if that ends up being a waste of crests or not

potent pivot
rough rock
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ah

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yeah i do upgrade my ilvl for open world stuff

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caps at 263

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but rings and neck hold back my ilvl

potent pivot
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farm pve gear

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do delves, prey, then m+ i think

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something similar to this

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loads of guides out there on the fastest way to do stuff

rough rock
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OOO ill try that out thanks

grave basin
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You get 20 myth crests a week doing 4x delves if your delve journey is high enough

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Then after 1 t11 bountiful you get a cracked keystone for a one time quest to complete any m+ dungeon for another 20 myth crests

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Then you can do the delve boss nulleus on ?? [Even in a party] to get another 20 one time myth crests

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So thats 60 right off the bat, then one more reset for 4xt11 delves and youre at 80 myth crests for a first craft

dark moon
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Also if u have renown 9 in delves you buy hero track gear for undercoin in the end of the delves

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A friend of mine went from 222 to 266 in a day

vocal surge
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A mage got mad

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I was doing giga damage

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I told em I got Jackpot and pop AR

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they said "So"

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Im sitting there like "Dude, thats a ~1% proc on Jackpot"

wicked shell
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!stats

lethal roostBOT
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These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

dark moon
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Had to share this

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People losing their shit on twitter is something I live for atm

wicked shell
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outlaw the play now in shuffle and blitz?

vocal surge
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So close to a 4-2

potent pivot
wicked shell
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Murlok showing all the highest rated rogues playing outlaw in shuffle

potent pivot
wicked shell
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I’m new to PvP, which spec would you recommend?

potent pivot
orchid parrot
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E.g. Conq Necklace = 158 Vers, 48 Mast, or craft = 103 Vers and 103 Mast?

gleaming sentinel
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Rogue hate propaganda is strong right now

marble oasis
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What the hell is with so many people joining blitz then just afking or leaving T.T

spring bough
vocal surge
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2 Hpal, 1 Ret, 1 Fury War, 1 Arms War

stoic spruce
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It's like watching someone hate on Nickelback but listen to Red Hot Chilli Peppers

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That shit just pisses me off

spring bough
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We need more hunter and ret hate tbh

outer sky
vocal surge
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If we won that round (we almost did but lost at the very end)

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we both would've 4-2'd

stoic spruce
outer sky
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Thats arguably the most melee damage heavy lobby he could get

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And theres no purge in the lobby either

last jasper
lime oar
outer sky
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Its defensively weaker than sub too

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And tbh, ret

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The only thing it really excels at is damage

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Its CC is like B tier

proven kayak
outer sky
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Mobility maybe A tier

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Damage S tier

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Defensives B tier

last jasper
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Most cc lol. Two cheap shots every 16 sec.

gleaming sentinel
last jasper
outer sky
# last jasper Most cc lol. Two cheap shots every 16 sec.

In my experience, whenever something is overtuned damage wise, people start coming up with all sorts of random reasons why the spec is busted that actually have nothing to do with it. Like before UDK got that flat 20% damage nerf at the start of the season I saw somebody bitching about how DK is broken because "its pets are all undead and immune to fear". Like bro lol yeah UDK was kinda busted but its pets being immune to fear is not why lmao

last jasper
outer sky
# last jasper Isn't it the same as for sub?

Nah outlaw's feint talent is nerfed into the ground and it doesnt get a big ass absorb shield after vanishing like sub does or the 10% damage reduction 80% of the game sub can get from the talent that reduces damage taken by 10% during dance

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Outlaw's feint talent still being nerfed is absolutely criminal

last jasper
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Didn't know outlaw feint was nerfed

outer sky
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It was nerfed due to their CDR on Feint but then they took away the CDR on Feint but didnt revert the nerf to the talent kekwcry

outer sky
last jasper
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With all this cry me a river about rogues

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Same as sub being S tier for that long. It usually didn't last more than 1 or maybe 2 tuning patches.

outer sky
# last jasper Actually it's insane we still have it. Kinda op

It is and it isnt. First of all it requires investing in 2 talents to really be good (elusiveness and preemptive maneuver), and feint costs energy. But ultimately I think more defensives in this game should work like feint. Minimally impactful baseline, but very impactful if used at exaxtly the right moment (just before a stun). Or to put it another way, more defensives should be OP if youre good enough to use them to their full potential but meh if you arent.

last jasper
vocal surge
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Dont get me started on the forums

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they open WoWhead, see +13% buff from previous week

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and ask for a 13% damage nerf

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when 2 changes occurred that contributed to that 13% buff to Outlaw

proven kayak
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Do you believe people think rogue is op because it has disruptive gameplay ?

vocal surge
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Probably

proven kayak
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As a rogue main when I play other classes I’m not that annoyed

outer sky
vocal surge
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And that was after blasting people in 2s xD

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This reset I'm 100% sure we're not receiving changes

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Its data collection week

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This upcoming Tuesday, its highly probable Blizzard's going to do some tuning

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Which imo, there's a few things Blizzard can tweak

outer sky
last jasper
outer sky
vocal surge
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Pretty much nitpicking

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To try n debase an argument

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It comes off as extremely emotional

outer sky
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But I really think the fact that you need to pre use it to make it seem busted and the fact that it costs energy does a lot more to balance it than you're giving credit

vocal surge
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^

outer sky
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Like what other class personal defensives cost resources

vocal surge
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Preemptive Maneuver as a talent is really good conceptually

outer sky
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And what others do a lot more based on timing

vocal surge
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I do think the amount of DR it provided was too much for its initial inception

outer sky
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Like the global before a stun

vocal surge
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Especially on Outlaw

marble oasis
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People just hate it because you can pre feint in stealth and because their zug zug brain it to instantly stun then burst they then complain

vocal surge
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Yeee

last jasper
last jasper
outer sky
outer sky
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Like if I feint the enemy team can legit just not stun me

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For a few seconds

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And they functionally nerfed my defensive

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And like, in shuffle sometimes my healers are smart enough to know not to dispel my HoJ if I feinted it

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Those healers deserve wins over the ones who dispel it on script

last jasper
outer sky
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Like on blizzards bigdebuffs

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That needs to change asap

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Because if people dont even know when the rogue has feint up then yeah I can see why it would be busted

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But if its obvious like other defensives then I think its fine

last jasper
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And it probably never would. Cuz it is not defensive by default unless u pick all the talents

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Same as priest cc immune

outer sky
last jasper
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It doesn't show on these blizz bigdebuffs

outer sky
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?

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It 10000% does

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Psychic Shroud

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?

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Unless minicc shows things blizzard doesnt but I dont think thats possible

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Could be wrong

last jasper
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I don't remember the name. I just learned about it not that long ago 🤣

outer sky
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MiniCC 1000000% shows it

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Next time I see it ill screenshot it

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But regardless, it doesnt show feint and it needs to

last jasper
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And I was caught a few times trying to cc healer with an empty nameplate to get immune in the result 👀

outer sky
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Even without any of the talents taken feint is still a defensive worth showing. Baseline feint reduces a ton of damage taken by things like Bladestorm and Fists of Fury since those are AoE abilities

last jasper
outer sky
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Oh and boomstick

last jasper
last jasper
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So it's hard to miss. Unless there is a ton of spells around rog atm

outer sky
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But that doesn't tell you when its over. Or how much time is left on it. And theres a lot going on in a game so I dont really expect people to constantly be keeping track of that by audio queue. Plus sometimes the rogue may be off screen and you miss his feint and then a second later turn around to do a go on him

last jasper
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True

outer sky
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So like yeah youre right to an extent but also it should really just show like every other defensive

last jasper
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Yea I agree. But blizz fcked up in many ways with addon ban

outer sky
last jasper
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Like u don't have a lot of pvp talents, trinkets (lol) etc

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So not having feint as a defensive is a minor 🤣

outer sky
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And now it finally does

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So theyre able to make these changes

stoic spruce
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@potent pivot weenie

last jasper
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Well, we don't have smoke bomb. But do have disarm in CD manager.

last jasper
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It feels like I need to reinstall wow 🤣

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Let me check

last jasper
outer sky
last jasper
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lol

outer sky
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turn on war mode

last jasper
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it turned on.

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Disarm is there

outer sky
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are you specd into bomb?

last jasper
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sure thing

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it does show when assa

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but not when sub

outer sky
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What the actual fuck is blizzard doing

last jasper
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i notice urs is 3m cd. and specced into assa. it did showed up

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I use cmc for the smoke bomb

outer sky
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Sub bomb is 2m

last jasper
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Fckin hilarious

outer sky
last jasper
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Try sub yourself. Maybe it is something wrong with my wow folder

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but I doubt OMEGAKEKW

outer sky
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Man what i wouldnt give for 2m bomb as assa

last jasper
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haven't tried assa yet, so idk

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fck since when bomb is 3m for them?

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how long i was out of the loop

outer sky
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So i guess the answer is since the BFA prepatch back in 2018. Because thats when smoke bomb became available to all 3 specs

last jasper
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oh, I started playing rogue in pvp (if u can call it playing) only in shadowlands

outer sky
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Before BFA only sub had bomb

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As a 3m CD

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Then in BFA all 3 specs got it as a 3m CD

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Then in shadowlands Sub's bomb CD was reduced to 2m

last jasper
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werid how I never notice that despite playin both assa and sub in df HOLY

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fck I miss shadowy duel

outer sky
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But idc I want it anyway

outer sky
last jasper
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maybe cuz of 50 energy

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I would love smoke off gcd tbh

outer sky
last jasper
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it annoys wastin 1 sec of a kidney or gambling and pressing smoke>stun

outer sky
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You can prep it with gouge though

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Gouge>smoke>stun

spring bough
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Gouge who uses that pshhh

outer sky
#

Id pretty much never Bomb a non CCd target though except in really niche scenarios where someones legit about to die

last jasper
outer sky
last jasper
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lmao

outer sky
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0 chance people dont just insta press when they see that shit

last jasper
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and despite all of that, there were a few times when ppl got played by the fake bomb from trikster. (i know its patched or about too)

outer sky
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Now only the rogue can see it

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Which in pvp is fine but still aids in pve because its still covering ground mechanics for the rogue

last jasper
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why would u even need this spell animation in this case anyway

outer sky
spring bough
pastel burrow
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like yea it may be useless

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but i wanna feel cool larping in my smoke bomb

molten hedge
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whaazz build i just noticed from watching yday vod

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no KS

spring bough
molten hedge
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that's what i was wondering

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@potent pivot didnt u say thats a nerf to yourself doing that

spring bough
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No sleight or KIR feels so rough

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And dispatch is like meh on my overalls

spring bough
molten hedge
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also i just actually watched

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and whaazzz does like 5 finishers in a row with 5 CP

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lol

spring bough
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For BTE? It chains pretty well now with new ace

molten hedge
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yea but it's supposed to be 6

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and not just bte

river pollen
agile kite
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I want to like outlaw rogue

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Coolest class fantasy

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But it’s actually so fucking boring it’s insane

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It’s 900 apm to do no damage

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The RNG mechanics don’t even let you one shot

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AND it’s hard as shit

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AND it’s like a deep dampening nerd spec

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Am I going insane or is the class fantasy of outlaw entirely antithetical to its playstyle

molten hedge
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you playing it wrong if you think it does no dam LOL

dark moon
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Outlaw is pumping atm

molten hedge
#

yea think my guy needs to visit the rotation channel or something

dark moon
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Wish it became a tank spec so i dont play LFG simulator, but that's me

outer sky
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So guys guess what

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Ya know the stealth bug on EOTS

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Where if you cross one of the bridges you get pulled out of stealth

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It only does that to rogues

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Druids and hunters dont get pulled out by it

spring bough
outer sky
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Lmao

spring bough
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Pressing buttons or….?

molten hedge
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yea im not quite sure what bruvs on ab

spring bough
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Trickz rage baiting from a burner

molten hedge
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LMAOO

river pollen
outer sky
river pollen
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Yea its pretty annoying, we cant even take advantage of being rogues

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And ninja

outer sky
river pollen
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Bruh

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Some dev was behind this on purpose

spring bough