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i dont get it bro
i went 4-2 lobby before
2-4 the lobby before that
maybe cause its early in the day?
_>
Just wait til tomorrow bro, lol
thought i had elite right there RIP
what do u mean its like 2pm est here
There’s a secret fix for BGE that is letting people click frames again
like how long are ur qs rn noob 
5-10min
even weirder ngl
nothing secret about it
or shouldn't be
blizzard is unrestricting it
There’s people who have had access to clicking all week evidently
wheres this coming from
Weed Tyler stream is where I noticed it and now there are Reddit threads talking about it
You could always click people who had objectives. Like you could click orb carriers, flag carriers, etc
Weed Tyler is friends with the dev of the addon so it would make sense he would get it
I watched him click through the whole team on a cart map
I shouldn’t say whole he clicked 3 people on non flag or orb map
were those people in a cart mayhaps?
weedtyler should have the same updated BGE as everyone else
but he does test the addon's updates for the dev too
so like
even if its true he can click through every single frame
it has NOT been all week, at all
maybe he was testing new changes to the addon that were being developed
but ik for sure he hasn't been able to click through since the .5 patch, just didn't watch yesterday at all
ya u have to be in range to target them or they have to be on an objective or somethin
let it cool off for a week
q devourer
I’m itching for that elite lol
If this one priest coulda played better earlier coulda had a 6-0
GD dps evoker with infinite CC
Other priest was exploiting with the Mind Control DC
Outlaw especially
So many in every rbg
3 minimum every blitz today so far
but in rated lots of fomolaws popping up ya
I’ve had the same ret on every blitz today and me and him are balling on people
Yeah last 3 games at 2300 mmr we were 4 rogues i was the only sub btw
might have to do that after thiz blitz to be honest lol
I have a feeling we will get outlaw tuning this week
I hope not
Maybe assa will get buffed again 🔥
Gross
Good go get that shit nerfed
Run a muck
Outlaw rogue seems unkillable in blitz
Law can def die
Especially if u can stun them before they feint
Once a ret goes all bubbles. Outlaw killing 10/10 times
Feels good
How does that change it
I’m getting baited to play outlaw so much the last days but instead I will level up my surv hunter
i think devo is lowkey one of the best blitz specs now
It does so much ST and AOE lol
also has insane mobility
just not enough people playing it and no1 has really figured the spec out fully yet
it being so new
what bout frost mage
i think mages/warlocks will always be good in blitz
but like
hunter/rogue are kinda blitz god mode
While I don’t disagree, nooo0Oo0o
Rogue kinda soloing anything for node caps right now
boomie/devourer are also isnane
It’s actually so good ngl lol
Idk if they’re gonna tune more I feel like they’re tired of PvP tuning lmao
Being able to solo rets for node capes makes me smile
they will def tune more
the only question is
will it be before or after the next awc cup
because logically they'd wait until after
so not next week, but the week after
Outlaw may go under the radar bc not a lot of ppl play it. It does need somethin tho
It’s gonna be a lot of double outlaw in AWC then
How is it performing in PvE
idts
Maybe it gets its turn to be the op spec this ssn
double outlaw isn't 'optimal'
i cba with this statement
when is it subs turn to be op for a ssn
In prepatch
If rog and ww get nerfed it feels like arms is gonna take over
Gonna have arms mage every game
Like s2 TWW iirc
buff sub rogue
Buff sub
remove ret from game
TRUE
buff MM by 1.5%
true
It’s funny how they nerfed mm so quickly this sssn but last ssn cba to look at them
Yeah it was bad
Buff dk
like every comp at top of ladder turned into hunter/x/x
Uhdk does stupid damage

Yeah literally could play with any caster and it be good
buff blood
Buff blood
Queue into the current meta and you tell me unholy has a place
I don't mind them in arena
Dks just falling over so easily rightt now
It's so bad
i just solo'd this UHDK for stables
They do this literally every time
waited till he popped all his shit
hit all my defensives
and just ADR prep ADR him into the ground
We’ve been beating Hunter teams by having my mage line Hunter all game and just clobber the DK/ret/feral
It’s been working nicely
i don't rly blitz but i don't think they do well enough in blitz either and i think most ppl hate them arena for good reason
If you let unholy do his go that's totally on you
Fdk can be scary
it just sucks for the few guys that are "actual" main tanks cuz if they want to pvp they're kinda ...
I can peel it but I only have one trinket so 2nd pillar is scary
Yeah they always get shit on verbally lol
Instead of tanks hitting que they should walk outside and touch grass
And never come back inside
We play rogue, we don't get to have a say on who should touch grass
Okay DK
There’s some private one going around where they just figured out how to do / tar name on clicking but I don’t think it’s BGE I think it’s just some private code for it
You can even just do it yourself in game like if there’s a Pres on a fc map you know he’s gonna be running so you just do a /tar name macro and you can see them all game
i looked at his pvp this season.... only rated is blitz and hes elite lol
It’s annoying to do at the start of every game but it works
I just do it for rogues and fcs
I laugh at the blitz players who think they’re hot shit getting elite
But are 1600 with 1000 rounds pkayed
The disparity is real
I mean depending on how lucky you get that shit can feel like an actual challenge
Everyone I check will have a 400-600 diff in shuffle and blitz
I’ve never seen someone close
I got less rounds in shuffle then I do games in blitz and my blitz is higher 🤣
I’m tryna get more blitz games in but last few nights have been BAD
I think seeing bodymassage in that one game has been a bad omen for me
Yeah I was on a 80% win rate at the start of the week then 2 days ago lost like 4 in a row and called it lmao
My mmr is still uber high so my losses aren’t sapping cr yet but im getting around 30ish a win
blitz is nearly 1000 rating inflation over every other bracket sir
so that SHOULD be true for literally every person you check that plays more than just blitz

outlaw is so broken on temple
actually insane
this DR from cloud cover
such a life saver
Are you saying I’m an 800cr Andy
ye its still good
I feel like all of my games now the chat gets filled with
/tar name
/tar name fc
/tar name healer
/tar name rogue
It’s kinda funny

Got almost 5 macros for it haha
havent seen that yet lol
I’m gonna actually set these up when I log off of work
I usually just drop rogue and fc macro
Wild that you can still track people across the map with that but bge can’t
So I’m sure there’s a private addon going around or people testing for BGE
New meta gonna be having weird character in your name 😭
About to rename my rogue brb
Honestly same
Pœtætœ incoming
I mean it’s kinda stupid we can do that but can’t have the addon do it
Like actual braindead blizzard
Small indie company remember
Do yall think duo dps Que on blitz would be better than duo dps healer
Simple API restriction
Maybe bge uses a workaround by creating somehow a simple tar macro now instead of a clickable label. Idk
they're unrestricting bge
next week at the latest
fyi
Oh good
When will I be able to sit in blitz Que and also be able to signup for premade groups to do shit while I wait 😭
cuz every1 cry
Wow... What a good argument
I mean if I can do it with a macro why shouldn’t I be able to do it with a addon
In that case yes... But I still prefer less add-ons
Because they give an unfair advantage
Eh I think that’s debatable depending on what it’s doing. I don’t mind alerts and ui stuff
seriously tho not being able to click an enemy healer on BGE so annoying lol
I will agree I think blitz would be better off without being able to track people across the map at any time tho
Feel like people would be forced to actually learn to not tunnel mid but then again…it’s blitz lmao
Yeah just create maps with a hole on the mid
Based on the teams most things are predictable but yet ppl don't listen and fail for it. Like stealth class on enemies teams and node maps etc
Funny so much stupidity
But its way more enjoyable later at 2k+ mmr
I might try to play some priest in blitz. Not sure how good oracle is but shuffle not that easy as average player. Mates run away and do stupid things
This is blitz we talking bout
Every warrior ever “I’m going mid” 😂
blitz right now is me, 2 other rogues, survival and MM vs 2 rogues
8 rogues/hunts for the lobby LOL
utter domination
Well well well
were u in there ? lol
5 rogues is crazy
Nah I’m an eu player
Guys realistically what’s the best way to lvl up 80-90
next lobby im on twin peaks and we have a guardian druid.... lol
@potent pivot got an addon for that
its like delve farming and delve quests
Addon: Follow the arrow is pretty good
What’s the average time have you tried it ?
5-7 hours with 15% xp buff
Cool
I preferred Azeroth pilot reloaded over FTA averaged 20-30 min levels
But I memorized the route basically bc I did it so many times so naturally faster
I’m gonna do some tw dung brain dead activity
what type of rogue
sits mid on twin peaks to sap
havent seen this enemy rogue anywhere other then him sapping people at mid LOL
outlaw on EFC big big dam
Van gonna get more solo games in this week than i will all season
135 rounds of shuffle and 44 of blitz…. Just this week……
I think I have a problem
If I can rip 7 straight blitz wins I think I’m elite
I think after this next reset, I'm one more week from full epics
I have played 5 blitz games and like… 80 shuffles all season
That's almost exactly me
Damn bro has been grinding holy
outlaw feels so good not to play right now
yall missing out for when the nerf notes come out on friday /cry
Gilneas map with a guardian druid.... oh boy
I have lots of ways I play and limited time. I really like to grind PvP when conquest is uncapped
Hey guys I think Cupid might be good this season
Is that the same ret/hunt team everytime lol
Nope!
actually insane they havent fixed flame shock persisting thru rez
We used to have an absorb shield that prevented DoTs from pulling us out of stealth and now getting killed doesnt even stop DoTs from pulling us out of stealth
If its your first lobby then 95% chance both Outlaws are FotM rerollers and dont have working monitors so you should be fine
I was just doing 3s and the enemy sub rogue with multi glad xp trinketed the first stun of the game to not be CCd on his dance/blades and then died next DR in a Kidney>bomb
Like why would you ever do that as a rogue vs another rogue
he has to know what the other side of that looks like
he legit just opened
Yeah idk it always happens
its like when playing rogue in shuffle nobody ccs you during damage
they’ll cc you 0 cds popped 20 yd away
though im slowly becoming less convinced
that haste sub is good
idk
Mastery bomb > all
I have only played sub and yes there are sometimes you run out of dance but not for long
The guy going through things 😭
its usually only if you sent only dance during sb
Maybe 7% haste is cap
to hit somebody else that dr set
if you only commit one dance per set of stun drs you dont really run out
The bm hunter tears
All day long “the cartel……” 😂
isnt that 200 ish
4 set idk which part gives haste and the on hit proc trinket are enough
!stats
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
Man now we're talkin' 🔥
wondering if i PVE craft up my cape or if i do ring and use it for PVP too
RMP is insane rn let’s not kid ourselves. It’s funny that outlaw being as good as it is is still #7
GD Rets
Yeah lmao
Assa lmao
Lmaooo
Legit the least represented dps spec in the game
Needs buffs for sure
Don’t make me go to top 100
Oh so ret finally passed sub again
Of course. Its a dps spec with the full external CD kit of a healer spec
Literally
There is not a single healing external hpal has that ret doesnt
Plus ret has sanc
And they have the same CC (blinding light, searing glare, HoJ)
And the same personal defensives (divine protection and Divine Shield)
In fact Ret's Sac is on a shorter CD than Hpals
oh my i just scored a bnet healer that wants to que blitz
This is my Blitz healer
Certainly I get r1
bro wtf why u mogging on me right now LOL
Mogging?
new term these kids using these days
pretty much means im better lol
this the healer i scooped
Trust me I am a certified Paladin hater
I understand
If any of my kids ever say that im getting a late term abortion at 225 months
LOL
its all over social media youre doomed
Ive been perma banned from every social media outlet
generazione tiktok
I had to delete my TikTok account because my doctor told me to avoid trans fats
clavicular
lmao
what was the dumb trend again
guys hammering their jaw
to make it more "aesthetic"
bone smashing
any addon for blitz mmr?
some hardcore looksmaxxing shit
Playing ret
i feel ret is mostly gamerdads
i reinstalled it couple weeks ago, first 2 clips were alr enough to uninstall it again
also like how is vanguards still
the only notable ret player
after like
god knows how long
????
Savix?
bro has been at the top since cata
has savix been r1
also hasnt he been a classic andy
for the past 5+ years
Yes
I thought he hadn't played retail in a while
thats what i thought
good
less rets the better
ran downstairs got my food and the second i sat down my blitz que popped
savix is THE ret paladin
You can’t go off %
!stats
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
why exactly is that? Is there some inconsistency between haste rating and percent? Or is this just cuz dance extension ignores percent haste from things like racials?
2nd
I think they do but not sure
well they wouldnt by what youre saying though right?
Idk
It went up a lot iirc
Yea thought so
Good afternoon rogues what’s the good news
games poppin today
Good tonight I get WF shuffle glad
Good luck
👉👈
How those ques going
ret pallys man
Been slamming Lethal Company for 5hrs
trying to decide if i do engi vers bracers and what rings @spring bough @vocal surge
thinking 1 conq haste and either 1 conq crit or 1 crafted haste ring
i just got haste/verse conq bracers and ring and crafted haste/verse ring
the engi bracers would be my only engi piece so i think that'd be decent
4set
i have everything but helm for 4 set lol
yeah same lol
i haven't made 4set yet but i have conq helm/shoulders/chest
most people went helm 4p
try out lethality
i was thinking of upgrading my PVE ring to 285 and using it for pvp
k so ill prolly want engi bracers
i mean to be fair the cd with 4 set feels exactly the same
like zero difference
the damage is nice ig
if i do my pve ring for rated do i keep it crit/haste or go haste/verse on it lol
we still aiming for vers>haste>mast or is crit bigger now since 12.0.5?
problem is i haven't made 4p
so my haste/vers are slightly higher than they will be
spec..?
sub soz
i just got the raid version of the shattered dagger pretty cool recolors
vers/mast/haste
Am i missing something with our stats?
everyone i check who's higher rated has like no haste at all
spec......
Murlok doesnt show in pvp stats
i only have 2p atm
sub soz they're all capping at around 200 non boosted haste
trying to decide on engi bracers or haste/vers
thats the first breakpoint
its better for blitz/rmp type shit
hmm, i might need to rethink my gear then as that's bascially all i do blitz i mean and my stats atm
25 haste feels better
idk if we can even get 25 haste
Is that law
with 4set
U can in pvp
your vers is kinda low but yea if you only do blitz really then you can play the first breakpoint. the second breakpoint is good for shuffle/pve comps in 3s
what
in what world
Azeroth
Oh lol idk my laws have 25 with 4 set
with no engi pieces or
No engi
ye thats why
Ah ya
im trying to decide on conq bracers or engi
cuz atm my haste/vers are both higher than the will be with 4set
using 2p rest conq atm
25 haste >>
Do u plan on playing the 3% vers talent
only into sub
Yeh no clue how it's THAT bad but eh we'll work with it. defo refocus around the lower haste bracket for damage
thanks!
I should swap off of it vs a lot of stuff I died one time in 18 games ln my mage is mostly kill
Kasu posted on his story why did I know it was about the cartel
that guy be tweeting mad gibberish
arena partner telling me to go sub. when will my people know peace
lmao decided to do the bots for the quest thing and felt like a god lol
had more hp than our actual tank
That dmg tho
that shit doesn't even give heraldries anymore
actually useless content now 
Anybody figured out the Voidgalacting item
it says word by word that its used for weapons or trinkets
but can u use it on armor too?
why
Cause i had my 2 bis daggers
from the raid
cause the daggers pvp from rogues
are bad stats
Crit is not something u want as Sub
But the hungering void from mythic gives mastery and vers
but I cannot use the upgrade on it
using the crit daggers is fine
Double crit dagger?
u get so many slivers it doesnt even matter
yes
we will craft mastery daggers to upgrade after conq uncaps
there's nothing else to spend slivers on anyway, we will end up with a shitload extra
just use the free weapon tokens on crit daggers and upgrade them
yea wtf is the point of all these slivers
wait
ye
exactly
Fastest method to farm more?
Rated only?
ye
PVE has an upgrade thingy coming soon
??????My gear is so optimal
great to know nicu
its leaves.... a bit to be desired. for sure.
u can add pvp ilvl to them
so having them 6/6 mythic
those say hero no?
Only the shoulder
tommorow reset
im getting the shoulder with conquest
and my chest mythic 6/6 track piece
so its 289ilvl
Hero 6/6 is 276ilvl, the same as a blue gear so
what are those rings
pvp rings
2x 276 tier pieces kinda rough but those are legit the only pieces that are bad. your pvp ilvl probs higher than mine jsut cause of your 285 pve pieces lmao
buying a second conq trinket before upgrading tier shoulders is a choice tho
eh maybe reasonable with voidslivers now that i think about it
I mean, the hero gear I have,
would be the same ilvl
as a blue pvp gear no?
blue pvp gear is 276ilvl
hero 6/6 is 276ilvl
so its the same?
exact same stats
it would but it's on a slot such as chest which has a lot of stats, so that slot would be an early prio to upgrade is all
Ya I kinda trolled on that
but tommorow
this chest is goinbg to be 6/6 mythic track
and im getting the shoulders
idk what that is but upgrade is good so nice
289ilvl
ah nice
ya i get how pve gear works in general just don't have it memorized
better than having the dagger sword combo cause of bad stats
Trying to mid-max my pve gear, and make up for the pvp gear aswell
which helps a lot
PVE GEAR
got my trinket 6/6 mythic both, 289ilvl, pants, too bis
Tommorow I should be 290ilvl in pvp
ya i'm overcapped by 20 on my dev still missing upgrades on my mage 
!stats
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
!stats
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy) - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
IE 6.2 seconds is 7 globals with 0.2s margin
!tier
Assassination: 2 set - Helm/Shoulders
Outlaw: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs
Subtlety: 4 set - Helm/Shoulders/Gloves/Legs

Lethality? 😏
Testing
It’s the best lol
Dunno if I’ll q much tn I’m already rly fried
S1 stats are so annoying
They really need to get rid of vers
idk i wish verse was still a thing for outlaw PVE made stats ez lol
could use early season pvp gear for it lol
Yeah but when it’s not good for your spec it just feels ass
And vers is terrible for 95% of specs in the game
Outlaw or sub better paired with a lock?
convinced its a fully AI staff
no humans
when the hell did outlaw bounce into the top 10 lololol
im hardstuck 1700 as assa RMP. anything obvious im probably missing? i know im not this bad of a player lol
are you lining up kingsbane and ray/combust
feel like it could have some nasty one shots
trying albeit not well
It’s not that they couldn’t find it, they’ve given it to you to hold.
Obviously they take no Ls so why would they have one?
one things that has helped us is have our priest MC a bit more. it soaks kicks or polys if ur mage is playing frost
Steakth, I hope
It’s a Tauren
guilty
Also I know “crankthathog” is not trying to roast someone’s name bro
i was eating a chickfila breakfast burrito and got sidetracked
some hot sauce on dat bitch with the roasted bbq sauce is goodd
Also I know the best rogue name ever crafted isn't trying to roast someone's name bro
Man i hate blitz im sticking to solo
Nvm last game was lit
Duality of wow player
Did they increase sliver rng
So easy to farm them now
Supposedly yea
At first it was weird cuz you’d get them way faster on alts during placement games
So I assume they fixed it for chars that were already out of placements
They were def rough to get before
where is the pvp training dummy
east of the pvp vendors
where my arrow is
also i’ve only seen 1 sliver
in 4 shuffle lobbies

I’m doing assa placements and already seeing healer diff lobbies
of one healer going 5-1 or 6-0
healer diff lobbies are a constant

i swear the rdruids that try to rake stun opener
are such a prime kill target
cant say assa feels “better” though
but alot of people seemingly dont expect kb damage
wdym
like better than other specs or better than assa felt week 1 
than sub
sub can be annoying in lobbies where your other dps doesnt hit your stuns however
Is it basically impossible to have 1 character do pve and pvp
I dont do much pve but I thought that issue got better* when they stopped making our crafts use up sparks
it should be perfectly fine to do as long as you aren't trying to spend your pve crafts on items that are good for pvp
like crafting the random 285 ilvl off pieces
im not trying to do anything super crazy
for pve you usually wanna use your first pve craft on a mainhand weapon with an embellishment, then an off piece for another embellishment, then the rest to replace low ilvl slots
Dont i still have stuff for that?
actually let me log in and check
What about my tier set?
if u haven't crafted 285 pve items for pvp then you can get the stuff to do it ya
and well
if u have 4 set you'll just farm catalyst charges and catalyst high ilvl pieces
you can upgrade the pve ilvl of your pvp set, but its champ track and idk if that ends up being a waste of crests or not
ye but you need myth crests to craft 285 stuff
ah
yeah i do upgrade my ilvl for open world stuff
caps at 263
but rings and neck hold back my ilvl
farm pve gear
do delves, prey, then m+ i think
something similar to this
loads of guides out there on the fastest way to do stuff
OOO ill try that out thanks
You get 20 myth crests a week doing 4x delves if your delve journey is high enough
Then after 1 t11 bountiful you get a cracked keystone for a one time quest to complete any m+ dungeon for another 20 myth crests
Then you can do the delve boss nulleus on ?? [Even in a party] to get another 20 one time myth crests
So thats 60 right off the bat, then one more reset for 4xt11 delves and youre at 80 myth crests for a first craft
Also if u have renown 9 in delves you buy hero track gear for undercoin in the end of the delves
A friend of mine went from 222 to 266 in a day
only at 4 lol
A mage got mad
I was doing giga damage
I told em I got Jackpot and pop AR
they said "So"
Im sitting there like "Dude, thats a ~1% proc on Jackpot"
!stats
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. (25% for Trickster for energy) - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 200 OR 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
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outlaw the play now in shuffle and blitz?
So close to a 4-2
no
Murlok showing all the highest rated rogues playing outlaw in shuffle
Does not mean very much
I’m new to PvP, which spec would you recommend?
Would probably try assa or sub at first. Or whichever spec you have the most experience playing
Hey, with Assassination being Vers>Mastery, is it best to target some conq pieces that have higher Vers than Mast or craft gear for an even split of Vers/Mast?
E.g. Conq Necklace = 158 Vers, 48 Mast, or craft = 103 Vers and 103 Mast?
Rogue hate propaganda is strong right now
What the hell is with so many people joining blitz then just afking or leaving T.T
Law>>>>>
Wait till u go 4-2 and gain 0 rating 😭
That was a triple paladin + 2 warrior lobby xD
2 Hpal, 1 Ret, 1 Fury War, 1 Arms War
I'm telling you dude, sub deserves the hate rogues get
It's like watching someone hate on Nickelback but listen to Red Hot Chilli Peppers
That shit just pisses me off
We need more hunter and ret hate tbh
Did the ret 6-0 that? He should have.
Score
If we won that round (we almost did but lost at the very end)
we both would've 4-2'd
Truke
The ret not winning any more rounds than a warrior in that lobby is insane
Thats arguably the most melee damage heavy lobby he could get
And theres no purge in the lobby either
Was there a time when it wasn't?
outlaw rogue in pvp has the most damage in the game, best defensives, most mobility, most control, and the best slow (66% passively applied crippling poison)
maybe we take a look at this complete abomination? every game with this spec in it feels like torture @WarcraftDevs
"Most control"? But last month I heard sub had the most control and as far as I know sub didnt get a CC nerf and Outlaw didnt get a CC buff so how could this be?
Its defensively weaker than sub too
And tbh, ret
The only thing it really excels at is damage
Its CC is like B tier
Always was
Most cc lol. Two cheap shots every 16 sec.
If you are saying sub doesn’t have the best control you’re out of your mind
Isn't it the same as for sub?
In my experience, whenever something is overtuned damage wise, people start coming up with all sorts of random reasons why the spec is busted that actually have nothing to do with it. Like before UDK got that flat 20% damage nerf at the start of the season I saw somebody bitching about how DK is broken because "its pets are all undead and immune to fear". Like bro lol yeah UDK was kinda busted but its pets being immune to fear is not why lmao
That is exactly what I'm saying. How can outlaw be s tier when sub have cheap shots on demand every Dr
Nah outlaw's feint talent is nerfed into the ground and it doesnt get a big ass absorb shield after vanishing like sub does or the 10% damage reduction 80% of the game sub can get from the talent that reduces damage taken by 10% during dance
Outlaw's feint talent still being nerfed is absolutely criminal
Didn't know outlaw feint was nerfed
It was nerfed due to their CDR on Feint but then they took away the CDR on Feint but didnt revert the nerf to the talent 
Yeah its only 15% for outlaw. 40% for sub/assa
Actually it's insane we still have it. Kinda op
With all this cry me a river about rogues
Same as sub being S tier for that long. It usually didn't last more than 1 or maybe 2 tuning patches.
It is and it isnt. First of all it requires investing in 2 talents to really be good (elusiveness and preemptive maneuver), and feint costs energy. But ultimately I think more defensives in this game should work like feint. Minimally impactful baseline, but very impactful if used at exaxtly the right moment (just before a stun). Or to put it another way, more defensives should be OP if youre good enough to use them to their full potential but meh if you arent.
Yea, I agree that more defensive should work the same way.
Dont get me started on the forums
they open WoWhead, see +13% buff from previous week
and ask for a 13% damage nerf
when 2 changes occurred that contributed to that 13% buff to Outlaw
Do you believe people think rogue is op because it has disruptive gameplay ?
Probably
As a rogue main when I play other classes I’m not that annoyed
I saw people dogging on you on the forums and im just sitting there thinking "Verm is absolutely right and these guys are all clueless"
1600 CR for only a few hrs of queuing 3s
And that was after blasting people in 2s xD
This reset I'm 100% sure we're not receiving changes
Its data collection week
This upcoming Tuesday, its highly probable Blizzard's going to do some tuning
Which imo, there's a few things Blizzard can tweak
I dont really see how outlaw is any more disruptive than a feral druid. I understand people thinking getting double stunned every 16s by sub is annoying and i also understand casters finding Assa garrote silence disruptive but I just dont see it for outlaw.
But not sure about it is not op. Having cheat death and feint would be way too op. And pvp talent, not sure there is something better you'd want to take instead.
I think the tricks talent is good
Its also pretty sad people only go for the cheap shots with server name & CR
Pretty much nitpicking
To try n debase an argument
It comes off as extremely emotional
But I really think the fact that you need to pre use it to make it seem busted and the fact that it costs energy does a lot more to balance it than you're giving credit
^
Like what other class personal defensives cost resources
Preemptive Maneuver as a talent is really good conceptually
And what others do a lot more based on timing
I do think the amount of DR it provided was too much for its initial inception
Like the global before a stun
Especially on Outlaw
Totally agree
People just hate it because you can pre feint in stealth and because their zug zug brain it to instantly stun then burst they then complain
Yeee
Yea, maybe. But if u only play shuffle?
Don't forget it can be talented to cost less energy. Idk I never felt the energy cost from it
Its still good. You macro tricks to your kidney shot. Both 30s CDs. So every kidney your teammate is doing 15% increased damage for the entire duration of the stun plus 1 extra second. Thats really good
I have and I play that talent. Im not saying im going energy starved because of feint. Just that its a meaningful consideration. The fact that it requires pre using it to get its full value is obviously the part that balances it the most.
Like if I feint the enemy team can legit just not stun me
For a few seconds
And they functionally nerfed my defensive
And like, in shuffle sometimes my healers are smart enough to know not to dispel my HoJ if I feinted it
Those healers deserve wins over the ones who dispel it on script
As u said earlier pre using is actually the best part of the feint design at the same time. Feels so good pre feint inc cc.
The biggest issue with feint IMO is just that it doesnt show when a rogue has it active
Like on blizzards bigdebuffs
That needs to change asap
Because if people dont even know when the rogue has feint up then yeah I can see why it would be busted
But if its obvious like other defensives then I think its fine
And it probably never would. Cuz it is not defensive by default unless u pick all the talents
Same as priest cc immune
You can see that
It doesn't show on these blizz bigdebuffs
?
It 10000% does
Psychic Shroud
?
Unless minicc shows things blizzard doesnt but I dont think thats possible
Could be wrong
I don't remember the name. I just learned about it not that long ago 🤣
I do have minicc
MiniCC 1000000% shows it
Next time I see it ill screenshot it
But regardless, it doesnt show feint and it needs to
And I was caught a few times trying to cc healer with an empty nameplate to get immune in the result 👀
Even without any of the talents taken feint is still a defensive worth showing. Baseline feint reduces a ton of damage taken by things like Bladestorm and Fists of Fury since those are AoE abilities
Maybe I messed something with it. But I don't remember touching anything except scale and stuff
Oh and boomstick
Yes but at least feint have quite an obvious animation and you can hear the sound of it, if I'm not wrong
Yeah you can
So it's hard to miss. Unless there is a ton of spells around rog atm
But that doesn't tell you when its over. Or how much time is left on it. And theres a lot going on in a game so I dont really expect people to constantly be keeping track of that by audio queue. Plus sometimes the rogue may be off screen and you miss his feint and then a second later turn around to do a go on him
True
So like yeah youre right to an extent but also it should really just show like every other defensive
Yea I agree. But blizz fcked up in many ways with addon ban
Its an embarrassment honestly
Like u don't have a lot of pvp talents, trinkets (lol) etc
So not having feint as a defensive is a minor 🤣
Until last reset it wasnt showing Karma either
And now it finally does
So theyre able to make these changes
@potent pivot weenie
Well, we don't have smoke bomb. But do have disarm in CD manager.
Smoke bomb is there
nope, i do not have it
?
lol
turn on war mode
are you specd into bomb?
What the actual fuck is blizzard doing
i notice urs is 3m cd. and specced into assa. it did showed up
I use cmc for the smoke bomb
Assa and outlaw bomb is 3m CD
Sub bomb is 2m
Fckin hilarious
Thats intended though
Nah its not there for me either as sub
Man what i wouldnt give for 2m bomb as assa
haven't tried assa yet, so idk
fck since when bomb is 3m for them?
how long i was out of the loop
It used to be 3m for every spec but sub had it reduced to 2m back in Shadowlands
So i guess the answer is since the BFA prepatch back in 2018. Because thats when smoke bomb became available to all 3 specs
oh, I started playing rogue in pvp (if u can call it playing) only in shadowlands
Before BFA only sub had bomb
As a 3m CD
Then in BFA all 3 specs got it as a 3m CD
Then in shadowlands Sub's bomb CD was reduced to 2m
werid how I never notice that despite playin both assa and sub in df 
fck I miss shadowy duel
I mean being able to bomb every deathmark/Kingsbane combo would honestly be kinda broken
But idc I want it anyway
Always amazed me why this wasnt on the GCD but smoke bomb was/is
This would be the best change ever
it annoys wastin 1 sec of a kidney or gambling and pressing smoke>stun
Basically never do the 2nd one
You can prep it with gouge though
Gouge>smoke>stun
Gouge who uses that pshhh
Id pretty much never Bomb a non CCd target though except in really niche scenarios where someones legit about to die
idk why I'm still doing it sometimes. Like expect my enemy is having a stroke and would not press leap/blink etc 😄
People have been traumatized by that cloud of smoke since Cata lmao theyre so hard wired to panic react to it that ive even seen people on my team trinket out of my bomb when there isnt even a rogue on the other team
lmao
0 chance people dont just insta press when they see that shit
and despite all of that, there were a few times when ppl got played by the fake bomb from trikster. (i know its patched or about too)
Already been patched
Now only the rogue can see it
Which in pvp is fine but still aids in pve because its still covering ground mechanics for the rogue
why would u even need this spell animation in this case anyway
Thematic reasons I guess
I wish the tumbleweed freaked people out 
this
like yea it may be useless
but i wanna feel cool larping in my smoke bomb
Trick no KS?? Tf Whaazz on
that's what i was wondering
@potent pivot didnt u say thats a nerf to yourself doing that
No KS on trick is like a 2% dps loss but still better than fatebound lol
also i just actually watched
and whaazzz does like 5 finishers in a row with 5 CP
lol
For BTE? It chains pretty well now with new ace
I want to like outlaw rogue
Coolest class fantasy
But it’s actually so fucking boring it’s insane
It’s 900 apm to do no damage
The RNG mechanics don’t even let you one shot
AND it’s hard as shit
AND it’s like a deep dampening nerd spec
Am I going insane or is the class fantasy of outlaw entirely antithetical to its playstyle
umm who's gonna tell him
you playing it wrong if you think it does no dam LOL
Outlaw is pumping atm
yea think my guy needs to visit the rotation channel or something
Wish it became a tank spec so i dont play LFG simulator, but that's me
Outlaw is arguably the highest sustained damage spec in the game right now
So guys guess what
Ya know the stealth bug on EOTS
Where if you cross one of the bridges you get pulled out of stealth
It only does that to rogues
Druids and hunters dont get pulled out by it
WYM no damage?????
Lmao
Pressing buttons or….?
yea im not quite sure what bruvs on ab
Trickz rage baiting from a burner
LMAOO
First time it happened i didnt even notice i was out of stealth thinking i was slick sneaking into their side of the base
The fact that it happens at all pisses me off. But now that I know it only happens to rogues im legit mad about it
It also only happens in blitz. In regular 10 man EOTS it doesn't happen
Does this happen to you on the start of WSG for blitz? When I stealth thru the opening it always takes me out



