pvp

[novel karma]

Like I'm watching trimaz atm and he's not running ks

[potent pivot]

ik

[novel karma]

But with prep ks should be a pretty neat button no?

[potent pivot]

You don’t really care about Prepping KS no

People just don’t like KS

So they don’t run it

There’s not much actual logic behind it

[novel karma]

Fair enough

[potent pivot]

It’s more dmg to run it

More unseen blade procs, etc

[wanton breach]

it does feel very ass to play in pve as well

it needs a fixed channel time with just dmg scaling with CPs

[potent pivot]

needs to not be a channel imo

this thing where they keep adding channels to melee baffles me

adding one to outlaw to begin with is kinda criminal

i could see adding one to assa maybe.. i just hate channels on melee

[wanton breach]

fixed 1 second and keep it move-able

i wouldn't mind that

[minor relic]

hello peeps, i'm trying to get back to pvp and i'm having issues using CDs on targets that have defensives, it's due to years relaying on BIG DEBUFFS, is there any alternative please ? i keep cheapshotting shrouded evokers, kidney shot on priest with i don't even what is giving them stun immune ect

[deft relic]

minicc

[potent pivot]

iirc the priest one isn't on the list of things you can see through addons now

but evoker shroud is

but ye MiniCC is the new omnicd/omnibar/bigdebuffs all in 1

[orchid parrot]

hey lads, should i buy focusing on crafting gear with vers/mast or the conquest gear?

be *

[potent pivot]

spec?

[orchid parrot]

assassin, been looking at murlok.io and skilled-cap. they recommend vers/mast but some parts of the guides opt for crafting gear with even of those stats, and others recommend the conquest gear with a higher ratio of vers over mast

[potent pivot]

i wouldn't bother with skillcapped idk

[potent pivot]

you can craft a decent amount of stuff

doesn't have to be everything though

once fully geared you should have crafted belt/boots, jewelry, daggers

thats kinda the bare minimum

but you don't need to craft jewelry/daggers yet

start with belt/boots with arcanoweave embellishment, get the tier set 2p, get the free daggers from hitting 2500 conquest

[orchid parrot]

mm okay, is there a BiS list on this discord?
righto. belt and boots with embellishment, sounds good. and for the tier set, do i do the vault thing for that or buy conquest and transfer to set pieces?

[potent pivot]

there's a week 1 gearing guide

i don't usually make anything past that

#1283780831147589713

[orchid parrot]

tysm!

[gusty hedge]

im late but the excursions give more t5 gives min 86 more if your faction lvl is higher

[grave basin]

Like i said

If you can clear t5s, you very likely dont need more hero gear other than maybe 2 more slots, but tbf i havent tried it yet on my fresh dk

Once im fully conq capped ill try t5

What ilvl does it recommend?

[gusty hedge]

i think 264 for t5

[grave basin]

The last t5 i did was with every challenge for the solo +8 challenge

Achievement*

[gusty hedge]

been clearing 8s solo on rogue with 268 ilvl. (twice)
that shit is not fun
dnt think the loot/spoils are any different

[grave basin]

Tbh its all easy except for the mini boss before final boss

[gusty hedge]

yeah this right here

[grave basin]

What challenges do you use?

[gusty hedge]

if you leave any of the obelisk ur pretty much fucked

[grave basin]

Whats the easiest combination

[gusty hedge]

all 8 tbh i havent tried with less

[grave basin]

My last run i cleared with every ob up

[gusty hedge]

oh wow

i havent gotten that a achievements

nice

[grave basin]

It's easy on hunter

Or any tank spec

Those green orbs heal alot

[gusty hedge]

dam i dnt feel they heal me enough maybe my faction lvl is still too low for the boost

[potent pivot]

i'm surprised there's still decent crate groups at this time rn

usually the last ones fall apart at like 2am

[grave basin]

The latest one i did was insane

Had all 5 in rotation

[potent pivot]

ye we had 5 in this one for a while

we have 4 atm

[grave basin]

Had to stop cause kids

[gusty hedge]

saturday degen hours going up on crates

[potent pivot]

unfort these are my regular hours

[grave basin]

I did 0 to 3.2k conq ina few hours

[gusty hedge]

gearing up that outlaw 👀

[grave basin]

Still got 1.4k conq to go

[potent pivot]

yep

[grave basin]

Now i need to somehow farm 80 myth crests for the tank neck

[gusty hedge]

nice, g2g back to work break over Gy shift not fun

[grave basin]

[potent pivot]

ew

peasiante behavior ngl

[grave basin]

20 from delves 30 from nulleus

[grave basin]

Please sir, can i have somemore (verse)

[potent pivot]

i guess unh kinda needs it eh

idk if im gonna bother doing all that on my dk when i gear it

[grave basin]

On my ww ive tabbed and 50 0d many a frost dks

[potent pivot]

like maybe if i get the crests from pvp

otherwise nah

[grave basin]

If shuffle wasnt deflated as fuck i wouldnt bother with delves or prey

[rough rock]

Outlaw rogue getting rage tweeted on twitter…

It’s gg soon

[grave basin]

2.1k for myth crests

[potent pivot]

what about blitz

[grave basin]

Idk if they fixed blitz giving the wrong crests

My blitz score for all my toons still 0

[potent pivot]

yeh

i think im gonna try pushing blitz this ssn for once tho

[jaunty terrace]

What should be the best spec to 3s with a fdk or uh dk?

[orchid parrot]

Hey trickz, any reason why its helm/shoulders for 2pc set bonus?

[potent pivot]

because those set pieces have the best secondary stats on them

[potent pivot]

i mean prolly just law

[orchid parrot]

got it, and convert the conquest helm/shoulder to the set piece is that right?

[potent pivot]

excuse me sir?

[potent pivot]

yeah

you can't control having to queue without a small ilvl increase

[orchid parrot]

sweet tysm, so it doesnt matter what conquest helm i buy (vers/mast or vers/haste) because they will be reconfigured when turned into the set piece?

[potent pivot]

you can only control what you can control

[potent pivot]

doesn't matter

i always buy the vers/mast one anyway tho

[orchid parrot]

haha sweet! just making sure because i dont wanna put myself behind buying something thats not correct 😛 I've made the boots/belt, do you recommend other off pieces like wrists to be crafted?

[potent pivot]

up to you and how much vers you want

[orchid parrot]

righto, any hard caps on vers/mast? i.e. 30% is max before DR?

[potent pivot]

nope

try to have over ~20% vers

you won't make it to 30

[orchid parrot]

okay, and no need for haste/crit?

jsut thinking i may as well craft any pieces with those stats to vers/mast

[potent pivot]

no

but you will use crit daggers for a while

[orchid parrot]

as yup i see. don't have a choice there haha

[potent pivot]

once we're fully geared/conq uncaps we can craft mast dags

[orchid parrot]

i see, so theres a way to swap secodnary stats?

for conq gear/weps?

[potent pivot]

by crafting them

you said you crafted belt/boots right?

[orchid parrot]

yeah'

[potent pivot]

thats how

you don't 'swap' the actual items' stats

you craft new items

[orchid parrot]

gothca, so new craft items will roll out later on

not possible atm

[potent pivot]

it is possible atm

but it is a waste of conq

[jaunty terrace]

I need to lvl up my second rogue for outlaw, first is sub, can we pay gold for boost or it doesn’t exist anymore

[orchid parrot]

gotchaaa, im on board now

[potent pivot]

doesn't exist for 80-90

[jaunty terrace]

Yes but for 1-80 or there are some easy way to level up?

[potent pivot]

ya

[orchid parrot]

think the only last question i had was the champion upgrade level for pieces, is there any reason to upgrade them noting the conq head/shoulders will be tier pieeces?

[potent pivot]

no

never need to upgrade pvp gear for pvp

[orchid parrot]

happy days!

[potent pivot]

and crafted gear can use all the cheapest materials

don't have to buy the high rank mats

[orchid parrot]

with jewelry, craft them or conq?

ahhhh

its all making sense now haha

[potent pivot]

think i said earlier

you will end up with crafted belt/boots, jewelry and daggers later on

conq is better spent on leather gear first

and insignia trinket

you get free weapon tokens once you've earned 2500 conquest in the season

[orchid parrot]

sweet, tysm! yeah just trying to gauge if i should spend the conq on craft pieces after the 2 piece set

[potent pivot]

no

[orchid parrot]

kk ty

[jaunty terrace]

Any guide to suggest ?

[potent pivot]

fpr?

[potent pivot]

#1478034741302399250

[potent pivot]

hmm

my spells with charges aren't showing CD now for some reason

[proven kayak]

I’m here right now (crossroad meme) shall I level my other rogue for outlaw or lvl my surv hunter 🙄

https://tenor.com/view/dank-meme-dramatic-crossroads-card-game-yu-yü-gi-ği-ğı-oh-yu-gi-oh-gif-6385727829598692247

I think uncapped conq is soon so I might lvl up my hunter

[potent pivot]

ehhhh

lol

its normally week 11

i think we're on week 8 rn

[proven kayak]

That’s soon enough

For me tho

[stoic spruce]

What got buffed by 150% and everyone thought it was super strong now?

Mutilate?

[potent pivot]

180% and ye

[stoic spruce]

Oh wow 180

[molten hedge]

Got 15 slivers ln 3s

W

[potent pivot]

supposedly they buffed it/fixed it

is what trim was saying earlier

[molten hedge]

Oh ok. I had never gotten a single one from a loss (not that I lose a lot 😉 ) and I got 2 ln

So I believe it

[spring bough]

if yall see double outlaw MW in 3s right now im so sorry

[spring bough]

They def did I got 10+ from
3s last night lol

[last jasper]

spent like 2h with panda yesterday. only 2 pieces dropped 🫠

[gleaming sentinel]

revisiting things after tuning notes on monnday night

[vocal surge]

lol

[gleaming sentinel]

sub solo time for slivers

[rough rock]

What rating you guys at now?

[spring bough]

a win under 1600 and we just started last night lol

[jaunty osprey]

Just saw this, been PVEing and IRLing

Said that if you multi spec (outlaw + 1 other) might be ideal to do both weapons

[molten hedge]

🫡

[vocal surge]

watch us hit +1.8k today

[gleaming sentinel]

how much haste does sub want

[abstract stratus]

none go full mastery 🙂

[gleaming sentinel]

not an option, im jut doing this for slivers

lol

[abstract stratus]

[gusty hedge]

200 or 700

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[gleaming sentinel]

ok 560

will do

lol

[potent pivot]

not 560

[gleaming sentinel]

above 7 now

[potent pivot]

590 is the cutoff for the 2 extra GCDs, but it's hard for humans to get 2 extra that close to the breakpoint. plus coups 1.2s GCD

thats why you generally want 650-700 for the 2nd breakpoint

[gleaming sentinel]

copy that

[potent pivot]

Stinky

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/toxs-sriu-toxs-toxss-dolamy-gif-16009245119894670470

[gleaming sentinel]

sub is so much easier to play rofl

[potent pivot]

Less button

I think the ceiling is still higher than law

But the floor was def lowered this expac

[gleaming sentinel]

yea prob true

almost feels like old outlaw tbh

[potent pivot]

It can play very pve now

[gleaming sentinel]

well jsut in the sense of like, you kinda cross cc and set things up

[potent pivot]

But still has rly good burst/set up potential

Yeh

[gleaming sentinel]

can double cheap a lot etc

[abstract stratus]

i think 7-8% haste is the sweet spot for sub dam imo

[potent pivot]

it depends on what you're doing

18-20% is def more dmg in shuff

any time you're going to just be pve'ing for more consistent pressue

[abstract stratus]

i dont see anyone on murlok running for than 8 anymore in shuff

[potent pivot]

if you're playing blitz/rmp its diff

[abstract stratus]

most of them it looks like went away from it

[potent pivot]

because people don't solely gear based on bracket

and everyone copies the top 3s players

murlok is great right

but sometimes you have to use brain

make thought yourself - not just say 'ok more ppl do this, must be better'

i feel like we've seen it enough times at this point

look at outlaw on murlok rn

every1 was copying awc gear after we first saw law in awc

even though in here we knew 4set was the play

now what has been happening on murlok the past week?

everyone moving to 4set

[gleaming sentinel]

bodymasage chad is full tnak rogue

dazed is 2set

[potent pivot]

have to give it time

and you also have to realize

a lot of people already crafted engi helm and shit

not like they can just pivot now

[gleaming sentinel]

yea true

i kinda want to make a few differnt sets tbh

full tnak set for FC maps or melee lobbies where im the target etc

4set otherwise

[potent pivot]

i just don't think giga vers is worth

especially as trickster

[gleaming sentinel]

idk if im running the flag prob good

[potent pivot]

idk the last thing on my mind is blitz when it comes to gearing

but thats me

[gleaming sentinel]

i mean fair

[potent pivot]

even if i do q blitz this ssn it def won't be on my outlaw rogue

[gleaming sentinel]

i cant even pretend i like it, i barely played until the last 2 weeks last season

[potent pivot]

arena is just too good

with how often you get trolled by your own team in blitz i feel like i will hate it

[gleaming sentinel]

yea the lower ratings are just

the bottom of the barrel

but when it gets competitive its really fun imo

until you get there, its mostly 1 button enjoyers with their monitor off

[potent pivot]

yeh

[gleaming sentinel]

which is fine if they arent on my team

[potent pivot]

i honestly feel like shit has been extremely troll this season

ppl on murlok i mean

idk wtfs been going on

ig after the cheap shot changes a lot less ppl are playing all 3 specs

usually even when assa isn't great there's still a lot of ppl q'ing it over 2k

[gleaming sentinel]

deflated season too

just tryin shit

[potent pivot]

idk i feel like i've seen much more fried shit than normal

[proven kayak]

That’s for so real

[vocal surge]

People probably banding together

to sandbag

[proven kayak]

What happened

Shaman one shottted the entire team ?

[potent pivot]

thats what it looks like but uhh

[proven kayak]

But how ?

[potent pivot]

can't tell shit from the ass quality

doesn't even look like the sham is in CDs

[proven kayak]

Yeah also bloodfury is still up

[potent pivot]

is that feral convoke as well

i can't tell

[proven kayak]

Was thinking getting a shaman also level up but idk is ench braindead?

I just don’t want to play a spec like sub as an alt

[lone jasper]

Nothig, DH dispeled flame shock with reverse and everyone died

[chilly briar]

raging 0/6 mage projecting

[potent pivot]

i didn't think it could just one shot the entire team lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

these fuckin slivers man

why do they do this

i already wanna jump off a bridge playing sub

[lone jasper]

In logs it was shown like that. 7 time reverse, and it did damage to entire team

[gleaming sentinel]

lol

[potent pivot]

supposedly they were buffed/fixed

so you might not even need to cheese placements now

[gleaming sentinel]

ive gotten 1 in 5 games

[potent pivot]

but idk

Well

Got my weps and 2p on the law so far

Gotta finish the rest, get 4p and start farming slivers later tn

[jaunty osprey]

No1 trolls gear or talents on murlok

[turbid cosmos]

any 1 know if there is any vids out there for tips and tricks on taking flags ect

[grave basin]

played 15 games in 2s

got 1 sliver

i love blizzard

[jaunty osprey]

I played 30 2s matches yday and got 7

[grave basin]

not too badfor being lvl 89 yestd

25% verse in pvp

[proven kayak]

Play blitz I got 6 in 10 matches

[potent pivot]

Notsureifsrs.gif

[grave basin]

@potent pivot

so if i get 4pc i lose like 6% verse

to gain 10% putrefy dam and that 10% is 0.49% more dam

like there's zero chance 4pc is worth

since you can just play mastery/verse is the slots you lose out and gain even more mast

[potent pivot]

What is putrefy again

I’m terrible with unholy spell names other than the big stuff and death coil/death strike

[grave basin]

the piss you shoot out when you dark transform

and it applies your MS

[potent pivot]

No other interactions?

The set makes you save a rune but the spell is a 30sec CD lol

Why is everyone running that dog shit?

Ah 3 charges ig but still

Sounds turbo ass

[grave basin]

you dont really press putrefy outside your goes

you hold them since it gives your ms too

[potent pivot]

Idk then tbh

Without actually testing or looking over some combat logs of a go with/without it’s hard to say

[grave basin]

first lob

[jaunty osprey]

u can leave

first lobby

if u dont like the comps

[jaunty osprey]

[jaunty terrace]

In 3 weeks we will have uncapped conquest right ? So it will be easier to swap spec

[rough rock]

Is it still only a deserter penalty and no rating loss?

[jolly sierra]

u lose 170 cr

[grave basin]

any1 else ❤️ delves

[jaunty osprey]

You lose 150 CR, no MMR

But if it’s your first ever lobby, then it doesn’t matter

[spring bough]

pew pew pew

[willow valley]

how do i get these

[queen jetty]

...

[spring bough]

Once u get 4 set complete u get an achievement that unlocks them to drop

And u get them every other week too

[rough rock]

Did you guys fight cdew yesterday

https://x.com/meepmonkmw/status/2048475096080400629?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

meepmonkmw (@meepmonkmw)

outlaw rogue so op u can play 2 of them and oneshot people. do we think this ok blizzard? no changes? no hotfix like mm got hotfixed? never saw 2x mm hunter in arena but if we see 2x outlaw its okay?

▶ Play video

X · Apr 26, 2026, 6:51 PM

Love how it’s meepmonk complaining about it too

Never saw him say anything about me being broken 🤣

[potent pivot]

No

Kalv and dazed did

[rough rock]

Ah

[severe helm]

What did he actually die to lol

[vocal surge]

Coup

[severe helm]

Aaaaah

Wild lol

Nerfs inc for sure

[vocal surge]

Hot take: No

The healer didn't trinket to save his teammate

[severe helm]

It was like one global

[vocal surge]

It wasn't

[severe helm]

They weren't even on him

[vocal surge]

There's a build up to Outlaw's damage profile

[severe helm]

They were on tril lol

[vocal surge]

Yes

[severe helm]

Also no there isn't you can just tab target

[vocal surge]

when you hit people with Blade FLurry

[severe helm]

There is no setup

[vocal surge]

you stack Fazed on everyone smacked

[severe helm]

I'm aware

[vocal surge]

all of our damage increases stack on us

that means

[rough rock]

I mean it’s cdew lol

[vocal surge]

WE can tab target

[rough rock]

When isn’t he crying

[vocal surge]

WHENEVER WE want

and do full damage

[severe helm]

Yes

[vocal surge]

when people clump up like that

[severe helm]

He's melee

[vocal surge]

Hence why there was build up

[severe helm]

What build up

They turned to the dk and killed him in under 2s

[vocal surge]

Between the Eyes damage amps, Flawless Form stacks, Escalating Blade, Trinket & enchant procs

Fazed debuff on both

[severe helm]

Flawless form is 100% uptjme

Eb isn't setup it's just constantly going up and down

Bte also is a rolling buff

[low wadi]

hey everyone, BattleGroundEnemiesFixed is showing enemies but i cant click them. its addon bug or its blizzard restrictions?

[vocal surge]

the enemy Outlaw rogues both had AR up

[severe helm]

Fazed is an off gcd setup from pressing adr

[vocal surge]

Fazed is getting stacked up to 3 in that clip

on both

[severe helm]

Adr is a 40s CD

Fazed stacks to 3 instantly almost

Don't be daft this isn't good gameplay

Needs to be fixed

[vocal surge]

Dude

Bottom line is

Healer didn't press CDs

to trade with 2 Outlaw ARs

points finger at his own mistake and calls rogue OP

He could've trinketed, he could've emerald communion

[severe helm]

Brother

It's a 40s CD

This is bad gameplay

No one should die that fast

Outlaw is op rn

[vocal surge]

🤦‍♂️

[severe helm]

Low time to kill is bad gameplay

Honestly this xpac has had some of the worst balance I've ever seen across pvp and pve

Games a mess right now

Outlaws gotten like 30% total buffs since season start

That's how off they were

The fuck are they doing over there

[potent pivot]

Restricted. Supposedly blizzard is walking back the change later.

[spring bough]

Making outlaw great again

Bout to dodge these nerfs too

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

Duh

We should be

[spring bough]

Nuh uh

[potent pivot]

Ehhhhhh

Also to respond about cdews tweet

[severe helm]

This shit ain't healthy

I mean either nerf or buff everyone's hp a ton

[rough rock]

Outlaw doing sub damage in 40 seconds compared to 16 = nerf

[severe helm]

This ttk is aids

[potent pivot]

HAVING TO RUN 2 OF A SPEC TO DO A ONE SHOT IS “OP” NOW?????? SINCE WHEN??????

[vocal surge]

^

[potent pivot]

You nerf based on what 1 can do

Nerfing based on 2 is like nerfing ww AND mage because THEY ONE SHOT TOGETHER LMAO

I bet I can boot up sub sub mw and do the SAME SHIT

They were “ one shotting” an unh dk kek

[severe helm]

Being able to run two of a spec and have it work is op yes

Bro brain?

If stacking specs is better than pairing with any other specs.....

The fuck

[potent pivot]

Where does it say it’s better than any other specs?

It’s better into a squishy all melee lobby

Who cares

And better is a loose term here

[severe helm]

Sure if we think they're trolling by running two outlaws

[potent pivot]

Cdews team beat them in the first game

[severe helm]

But I don't think that's the case

Even if it's competitive to run two of a spec I think there's a problem

[potent pivot]

Maybe they’re just trying it out

Practicing it in case they want to pull it out in tourney

[severe helm]

You can't though

You can't stack spec in tourney

[gleaming sentinel]

cant believe the gambler healer player lost to the best 2 rogue players in america

[severe helm]

Y'all are so fried

If they were running double mage

Or double mm

And winning

[potent pivot]

Cap

[severe helm]

We would all be saying nerf

[gleaming sentinel]

he had ibf up, lol

[potent pivot]

We already saw double outlaw in tourney

[severe helm]

It's been banned for a while p sure

[gleaming sentinel]

nerf outlaw tho true, bring my q times down

[severe helm]

Since like shadow lands

I thought

[potent pivot]

It literally got played

A couple weeks ago

[severe helm]

Double mm?

Or what

[potent pivot]

Outlaw

[severe helm]

Who?

I didn't see that

[potent pivot]

I don’t remember which team

[molten hedge]

it was kalv and dazzed

and they lost

[severe helm]

Rofl

[molten hedge]

they lost as rmp

it was game point

and they ran double outlaw

and lost to jung

[severe helm]

I thought they made this rule after double outlaw in shadow lands

[molten hedge]

must not have

[severe helm]

Maybe it got reverted but def remember that happening

[molten hedge]

the funny thing is

[severe helm]

Was a big deal

[molten hedge]

i asked kalv about it after they beat jung in championship

and said ppl were clowning the double outlaw

and he said he stands by it. it was a good pick. they just played it wrong

[severe helm]

Esp now that outlaw got buffed again

[molten hedge]

i do think outlaw should do rly good damage tho bc of losing cheap spam thats fair

just like every other melee

but yea they do a lot of dam

[rough rock]

It’s like any other spec tho, it’s telegraphed

[spring bough]

Full training healers with ret teammate in shuffle is fun asf

We just melted a Resto Druid 😂

[molten hedge]

rng isnt telegraphed

theres no way of them to do if u rolled a jackpot

AR or not

[rough rock]

Pressing adr now is “hello I’m bursting”

[molten hedge]

you guys are just coping bc ur specs doing dam for once LMAO

[gleaming sentinel]

slap me on the wrist baby

[molten hedge]

i will say tho

uhdk does nutty dam

[potent pivot]

wrong

anyone can see the buff on their target/focus frames

[rough rock]

Well hell yeah I’m glad adr means something big is coming instead of “hello tickle monster inbound!”

[molten hedge]

bro those buffs are too small i hate how we cant filter them thats the worst

[potent pivot]

tru

[potent pivot]

did someone say body massage?

[rough rock]

Lmao

I can totally see us dropping from 3 stacks to 2 stacks

Anything else gonna be mean

[spring bough]

Have u tried lethality pistol yet

Big dam

[potent pivot]

i got my weps/2p last night

[rough rock]

#pvp message

[potent pivot]

i will finish 4p and rest of gear/start farming slivers tonight

[rough rock]

Yeah I didn’t even do trinket yet

Pistol go brrrrr

[gleaming sentinel]

just in time for 50% cloud cover in pvp nerf, and 10% restess nerf

[spring bough]

Lethality??

[potent pivot]

just from what i've seen so far i think lethality is more of a 2s build

[rough rock]

Yeah I spent half the game in frost mage cc so pistol shot was my only choice 🤣

[potent pivot]

maybe blitz

[molten hedge]

i cant stop playing KiR in shuffle i need to go to a meeting

[spring bough]

Sleight feels too good

[molten hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/joaquin-phoenix-joker-movie-PbA--k01KQ5PGT2FDXSKA3JG4TTY7814

[rough rock]

I bet 1 min jackpot feels amazing

I should try it

[molten hedge]

i dont play it in 3s

[potent pivot]

i think anyone complaining about outlaw

and comparing it to MM

is delusional af

MM was immortal and had to get nerfed by 35%

[gleaming sentinel]

which one of you is stunhub?

[potent pivot]

two outlaw rogues with ADR up

healer in CC

DK has trinket/defensives he didn't press

[gleaming sentinel]

ibf on cd

[potent pivot]

healer has trinket

[molten hedge]

meee

[spring bough]

crushing

[potent pivot]

people actually are such pussies i don't get it

[gleaming sentinel]

i see you in vens stream lol

[rough rock]

Sees two fire mages combust: “lemme just not trinket”

[molten hedge]

that was so tilting bro

[gleaming sentinel]

unholy chadge

[molten hedge]

uhdk should die so easily in that lobby

[spring bough]

2195 on shuffle lol just ripped a 5-1

[vocal surge]

Dude, I called this out earlier too

Healer having trinket, CDs even

Nothing is done to stop Outlaw go

Didn't see the addon there showing teammate CDs and that makes it worse

[spring bough]

loool

[potent pivot]

People like meepmonk saying outlaw is more broken than MM was because we didn’t see double MM

When MM one shorted anyone by it fucking self

You put one MM on any team and the team was instantly getting boosted

These arguments are so fucking disingenuous it’s pisses me off

[vocal surge]

Agreed

[spring bough]

ive got 6 void matrix now that idk what to do with

[molten hedge]

do u find yourself using all ur cc on the healer some lobbies? sometimes no one touches them so i just kidney heals and rip damage on whoevver

[potent pivot]

Put them where the sun don’t shine

In a vendor’s bags

[spring bough]

just wherever lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Feels better to just cc healer if you have momentum

[molten hedge]

outlaw does a lot of damage but if no one ccs the healer one time its kinda hard to win

i fucking hate when theres a hunter who traps dps only

prob my biggest pet peeve

[molten hedge]

yea ideally thats when u cc

[spring bough]

lol

mage went around corner

i grappled and just shot his ass

4 KBs so far all mage

about to back to back 5-1 or maybe squeak a 6-0

[molten hedge]

BIGGG games

kamahlen and jerrzi

dude i hit 7 BTE in a row yday vs a mage lol

it was insane

[spring bough]

one more perfect lobby

and i do it

[stoic lava]

[molten hedge]

Dude YES!!! nice job!!! U fuckin em up @spring bough

[spring bough]

first time i seen outlaw have more than one elite first of the season lol

maybe i can add another to the list tonight XD

sin has none and sub has one lol

[gleaming sentinel]

King shit

[molten hedge]

I just had a lob against an ele sham. Did they nerf their tankiness? It felt rly squishy

[spring bough]

They squishy

Last two rounds me n mage went ret and then got the ele lol

[molten hedge]

One good thing about going ele is grounding

[vocal surge]

Aye

@spring bough when we queuing 3s again?

[spring bough]

Taking a break for a bit will be on later

[neat canopy]

for outlaw rogue pvp, do we want 2set or 4set? or arent we sure yet?

[vocal surge]

Alrighty

[spring bough]

4 set

[neat canopy]

ty

[vocal surge]

Time to catch up to ya

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/norm-macdonald-sports-paper-gif-19250136

[rough rock]

Shiiiot I’m only at like 1700 for shuffle I’ve been slamming too much blitz

[sharp sierra]

Hey. I had a question regarding combo points. I have analyzed like 20+ R1 combo point placement, and I could not find a single one using combo points on nameplates. The only person I could find was Infernion. (He is playing rogue for fun)
I ask because I was wondering if there was any downsights to this that I am not thinking of, because my primary thought would be that would be the BiS location for combo points, but again after watching 20+ other R1 placements it feels like there is a downsight im missing.

[potent pivot]

Combo point UI is entirely personal to the person

There is no “correct” way

A lot of r1s have been playing so long that they are just used to where they’ve had their combo points have been for over a decade

[sharp sierra]

Ok preciate it - just had to make 100% sure I wasn't overlooking any downsights.

[stiff cedar]

idk if its this one specifically but basically every single keybind pika has is fried LOL

[rough rock]

It’s because he uses a 16 button mmo mouse so it sounds fried but it’s just the way the bindings are

[molten hedge]

@ornate quiver Whaazz uses U for sure. And maybe even J

[potent pivot]

I don’t go passed R, G, V

Even T is too awkward

[gleaming sentinel]

T is mount

[potent pivot]

Both

[molten hedge]

I use YHB, but I use ESDF instead of WASD bc my hands big and that’s how I started. I’m not rly a gamer and deff not a PC gamer

So I wasn’t used to WASD like most of you

[rough rock]

i go to g lmao

then again my main rotation is q-f

[mystic tundra]

If starting on rogue is better to learn it as sub or outlaw

[potent pivot]

F and G are my main AoE binds for every class

[potent pivot]

Probably going to be easier to learn assa or sub at first

[rough rock]

ahh i use f and shift

f being spamable and or builder

then shift f being omega damage aoe

[potent pivot]

I just try not to use modifiers on my main rotational abilities if I don’t have to

I usually use em for 1-2min CDs

[finite widget]

are u supposed to dispatch with 5 cp in pvp or is it worth pressing another SS first? ik in pve it says 6+

[potent pivot]

As trickster everything is 6+ except KS can be 5

[finite widget]

ok thx

[hybrid sapphire]

how do i make sure i can land a step sap on a DH without getting stunned beforehand

[amber sorrel]

Despite gladius, is icy veins pretty accurate on gear?

[potent pivot]

naw

most of iceyveins pvp stuff is really bad atm unfortunately

[amber sorrel]

what's a good reference

[potent pivot]

bro the icyveins gear only has 3 set pieces what are they even doing at this point lol

[gilded gulch]

what spec is it referencing

for dagger mh

and sword oh

[potent pivot]

sub

yea

[gilded gulch]

LMFAO

[potent pivot]

kek

[gilded gulch]

?????

[potent pivot]

a lot of pvpers don't know you want dagger offhand for years now

[gilded gulch]

....

how

[potent pivot]

they're stuck in pre SL somehow

[gilded gulch]

do people not read their tooltips

[potent pivot]

it depends which build you want to go with

[waxen meteor]

@potent pivot just got back from a 2 weeks trip, do we have some major updates

[gilded gulch]

i mean there's realistically a handful of combinations you can do

to reach the desired stats

[potent pivot]

i mean...

[waxen meteor]

[potent pivot]

you can find patch notes easily i'm sure

[waxen meteor]

taking a shortcut over reading everything..

[potent pivot]

you're playing sub yea?

[waxen meteor]

yeah but can do both

[gilded gulch]

you play new cloudcover talent

otherwise its basically the same

[potent pivot]

the only thing you really need to know for sub is that we use Cloud Cover on trickster tree now

it got reworked and is way stronger than No Scruples

[waxen meteor]

kk

rest are basically the same?

[potent pivot]

yea

[waxen meteor]

no major buff/nerf on sub/sin?

[potent pivot]

sub got a decent buff

because of that talent getting reworked

5-6% buff which gave us more burst back

[waxen meteor]

kk

seems i missed 2 weeks of our dark time lol

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[waxen meteor]

how's sin going

[potent pivot]

@amber sorrel ^

there's two different ways to gear sub atm Mac

so it kinda depends on what you want to do

[potent pivot]

assa is good, its kinda under the radar good

[amber sorrel]

war mode and bgs as sub is basically what i do if im not pvm

[potent pivot]

then you probably want to stick with the 200-250 haste breakpoint

we get free daggers once we've earned 2500 conquest during the season

so don't spend conquest on daggers at all rn

[amber sorrel]

yep already got them a few weeks ago. ty i appreciate it

[potent pivot]

you want 4 set+insignia trinket

everything else can be vers/mast basically

[amber sorrel]

4 set as in the pve set but with the varnish?

[potent pivot]

craft leather boots/belt and add Arcanoweave embellishment to them

[potent pivot]

yes

[stiff cedar]

can just buy conq gear and catalyze it to be clear

[potent pivot]

craft jewelry later

[stiff cedar]

don't have to get a pve piece already tiered and varnish it

[gilded gulch]

though pve gear can have stats like speed

if doing unrated

[potent pivot]

hes prolly already got 4set from pve

i'd assume

[gilded gulch]

[stiff cedar]

ah word

[amber sorrel]

yes

[potent pivot]

yea u can just varnish it then

[amber sorrel]

sweet ty

[waxen meteor]

HMM

what is this

[potent pivot]

Ah I meant to tell u

New upgrade thingy

[waxen meteor]

Upgrade a weapon or trinket to 298

[potent pivot]

To upgrade weps and trinkets to 298

[potent pivot]

Naw

U upgrade conquest weps/trinkets to 298

[waxen meteor]

seems big

how to farm this

[potent pivot]

Just do rated pvp

No reqs

Can even proc from losses

[waxen meteor]

is there a cap now/

[potent pivot]

On the new things? Nop

[waxen meteor]

so in theory lots of pvper already have 4 pcs at 298?

[potent pivot]

Just upgrade conq weps and trinkets

We will upgrade crafted daggers later when we craft them

[potent pivot]

Ye

Nothing can be done about that tho

Gotta q

[waxen meteor]

cool just did 1 game and got 1 pc

does it mean crafted dagger is not needed anymore?

if conquest can go 298

[potent pivot]

No

We will still craft and upgrade the crafted weps later on

[waxen meteor]

ok conquest craft can be upgraded too

[hybrid sapphire]

cant seem to do any damage to DH and ret teams

not sure what to do

as rmp

[livid grove]

Any changes to sub trick build with cloud cover?

[rough rock]

yo lowkey sin flying under the radar that shit is disgusting

[broken jewel]

Yeah but 99% of them are night elf and they die in stuns like a bunch of little ...

Like when jesse and walt are short for tuco xd

[dark moon]

Bombing someone with kingsbane feels good

Especially if they decide to trinket deathmark prior

[gilded gulch]

mm hunter disarmed on trueshot:

[outer sky]

I stopped using deathmark just as bait

Because I want Kingsbane to be buffed by Finish the Job

Btw if you guys didn't know, Finish the Job is a buff on you, not a debuff on the target. So if you deathmark someone and they use a defensive you can kingsbane somebody else and it'll still benefit from the 10% damage buff from Finish the Job

[dark moon]

Im also trying not to bait with it, but it's situational

The kingsbane changes that makes it similar to feral frenzy is mint tbh

Also on 2k mmr people without trinket are melting just from kingsbane alone

Rewarding button to press

[minor relic]

good day to all rogue enjoyers, tell me what is responsible for queue pop sound here ? blitz taking too long to queue i need to go AFK

[dark moon]

Does enabling all sound work?

[dark moon]

Cause the safequeue addon in the past used to alert when queue was popping even with disabled sound, but i don't think its working now

[potent pivot]

anyone know of a decent character panel addon thats working since patch

seems like they killed a lot of them

[potent pivot]

does that one show pvp ilvl stats

it hasn't been updated for .5

blizz made something about stat changes secret in the api

so when you scale to pvp ilvl it breaks Deja for example

kk

[spring bough]

How’s PvP this fine morning

[vocal surge]

1hr no queue pop

[spring bough]

😭

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Hurry up before them outlaw nerfs change the fotm 😂

[potent pivot]

i will still beat you post nerfs its ok

[spring bough]

Ight get to climbing then 😂

[potent pivot]

[grizzled basin]

sub ?

[vocal surge]

I dont play Sub

[abstract stratus]

i have my outlaw alt leveled and geared and i hate this spec

[grizzled basin]

why then haha

[grizzled basin]

1h Q is what content / rating / spec then ? I rarely have to wait more than 20min (usually 10-15)

[vocal surge]

+2100 Outlaw SS

[potent pivot]

its also early morning for NA

not exactly peak q times

[gleaming sentinel]

I’d like to Q but there is so many things to do lol.

[spring bough]

I gotta do some +10s on the outlaw

Get these 3 mythic slots ready for tomorrow on the vault

[gleaming sentinel]

I like to do all the new content achieves too. Out here harpoon fishing 🤣

[grave basin]

dragonflight tuskaar???

[gleaming sentinel]

nah the new thing in zulamman

[grave basin]

im so pissed they made this toon specific

3 more weeks to finish

[gleaming sentinel]

ha

[grave basin]

also i only got to 25

of these assaults and i burnt out

ill do 25 each week i guess

[gleaming sentinel]

yea i did the same

saw the next one and was lik maaaaaaan

[gleaming sentinel]

my endgame (I am unwell)

[grave basin]

just one ww queue tonight! it wont be so bad!!!

the lob

[spring bough]

still can never get over u havingg the same bar twice w diff binds lol

[dark moon]

That's freaky

[wispy jewel]

Hi everyone! I'm trying to make a burst macro, but it keeps getting stuck. Can someone help me fix the sequence? I want to use Blood Fury, Shadow Blades, but the GCD is blocking it. Any advice on how to optimize this?

[potent pivot]

those spells aren't on the GCD

[wispy jewel]

Ah, but why my macro doesn't work ? its a simple /cast Shadow Blades /cast Blood fury (with the showtolltips Shadow Blades)

only shadow blades start, then blood fury later if I spam

[potent pivot]

show the whole macro

it should work fine

[wispy jewel]

Im actually not on the game, I show you directly when Im home

[potent pivot]

kk

[molten hedge]

#showtooltip Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury

Maybe you misspelled something

[potent pivot]

ye that should work np

[wispy jewel]

If it works for you it should for me then, I'll check at home

[potent pivot]

showmeyourtooltooltip

[molten hedge]

Maybe add a
/yell FEEL MY WRATH UWU

[potent pivot]

tryna go tooltip2tooltip or sumin?

[molten hedge]

Lmaooo

wtf idk how I did that

[dark moon]

The most cringe yell I can think of is ret paladin yelling "redbull gives you wings" when he pops cds

Or havoc dh yelling "you're not prepared" during meta

[molten hedge]

Our hardest game ln was havoc DH/ele. went ele bc some shufflers told me Ele isn’t tanky anymore but I swear ol boy was a tank

[potent pivot]

sham is tanky ya

[molten hedge]

Dude yea I was like tf

[potent pivot]

and NG is strong af

i swear u go DH there

[molten hedge]

We should’ve hit DH a lot more

Yea

I also had bad rolls. Fucked up rotation and rolled before AR was about to come up and rolled 1s 💀

[potent pivot]

💀

swear most ppl would do better playing sub/assa

[molten hedge]

I play all 3. Having a blast on outlaw we almost 2k in 3s

We played 18 games ln only played 2 rogues it was odd

Saw some odd shit like mage boomie, ddh aff, ddh dev

[willow tartan]

what are you doing in the opener as outlaw? feeling a bit slow ramping up

[jolly sierra]

or doing a weeb quote

[molten hedge]

I play with a frost mage so mostly set him up and I don’t ADR first global if ik im gonna get ccd/disarmed immediately

[willow tartan]

do you roll in stealth or wait for ADR because of the loaded dice? currently rolling in stealth

[molten hedge]

I noticed Whaazz rolls in opener a lot. I usually don’t. I shouldn’t give advice on that bc idk why u would. Rolling a 1 would suck

Whaazz just started streaming. Can watch him and see

On outlaw

[willow tartan]

thanks, will do!

[molten hedge]

I’ll ask the whizzler

[willow tartan]

haha, yeah, my luck rolling in stealth isnt the best

[dark moon]

That's a whole other category.

[willow tartan]

at least there's no temptation to go for a real casino with my luck

[potent pivot]

you can ADR in stealth->RTB

just depends sometimes

[spring bough]

wtf is this warrior thing where they stay 1% and dont die

[molten hedge]

A talent

If they don’t kill in 8 secs they die

Lol

So just live and u win

[molten hedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz/clip/MoralAgitatedBarracudaMikeHogu-4SAHojZGO-q1OV6z

[spring bough]

yeah this shits hard lmaooo

they just dumping dmg during it

[wispy jewel]

#showtooltip Lames de l'ombre
/startattack
/cast Fureur sanguinaire
/cast Lames de l'ombre

Here is my macro. Please note that Lames de l'ombre = Shadow Blades and Fureur sanguinaire = Blood Fury. Since I'm using the French game client, macros only work if I use the French names. I've copied them directly from my spellbook.

[potent pivot]

yeah it should work not sure

[molten hedge]

Maybe you only have the macro on one bar and it’s on a stealth bar

[wispy jewel]

holy

[wispy jewel]

you find it

[molten hedge]

Lol

[potent pivot]

L0l

common occurence ngl

[wispy jewel]

ahah

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-frying-baby-meme-baby-meme-singing-baby-pull-up-stuntin-gif-6459776342272009757

[wispy jewel]

sorry, Im a young rogue

[potent pivot]

wtf is this alien shit

[molten hedge]

Hahahahah

[wispy jewel]

I wait cd reset and I check if its fine, should be x)

[spring bough]

love me an 0-6 fury warrior

bro just got smoked by this dragon and hunter all lobby

[wispy jewel]

It's fine, thank you

[grave basin]

averate pink class enjoyer

[proven kayak]

Fr

[spring bough]

blitz game starts on deepwind... priest immediately "we are gonna lose"

ask him why and its cause we are horde....

we are currently winning thankfully lol

[proven kayak]

People carry such a negative attitude all the time

[jolly sierra]

@dark moon that is what i was talking about lol

fkn cringe

[gleaming sentinel]

blitz would be so amazing if people werent the worst

lol

[proven kayak]

People just don’t know the less they type nonsense to provoke others the more they play the more they play the bigger chance is to win

[gleaming sentinel]

the amount of times i'v called strats in placement games starting gates and gotten "dont tell me how to play"

[proven kayak]

Ain’t no way

Boosted duelists stuck in 1600 type shit

Most of times I stick with the tact someone says and only get out of my way to carry hard by doing plays only if I have to

[spring bough]

me n other rogue controlled ruins / shrine whole game

and some people went farm surprisingly and we pulled it off

[gleaming sentinel]

ye rogue can carry ab/gorge / ctf mostly, but silverhsard eots gilneas sometimes you just cant do shit if your team doesnt do dmg

[spring bough]

Every Que so far today declining at 5/6 or 15/16 multiple times 😭

[proven kayak]

That’s so real

[rough rock]

Been trying pve out and this shit is so boring 😭

I keep catching myself trying to trinket stuns lmao

[grave basin]

this prey nerf is diabolical

[spring bough]

What you mean?

They felt easy this week

[grave basin]

they massively reduced the amount of traps

[spring bough]

dont feel like it really tbh

[potent pivot]

bro

[spring bough]

cruised thru them all this week lol

[potent pivot]

every time i join a crate group

i end up having to run the mfer myself within an hr

[spring bough]

time to collect some gold for running it XD

[potent pivot]

its bout to be on like donkey kong son

[spring bough]

time for the pew pew pew

[spring bough]

2 shuffle lobbies since this and im up ONE whole rating LMAOOO

[potent pivot]

i got like 100k in recipes from capping

and some helios

ez

do we still get heraldries from the training dogshit

i forget

pretty sure i did week 1

[spring bough]

not sure dont que it anymore lol

[potent pivot]

Yeh

Trying to save my honor cap for sockets

Should only need like 1 or 2 honor pieces in general at this point

[spring bough]

8 carts for the off cart team GG

outlaw + mm doing a nice 2v3 on off carts feels good

[dark moon]

I'm glad I don't know what those mean 🤙

[river pollen]

What happens if u dont turn in weekly pvp quest can u still turn in next week

Even if it locks you out from that week

[hybrid rapids]

did they revert flawless form nerf or it just never went thru?

[potent pivot]

huh

[hybrid rapids]

nvm im blind

[potent pivot]

which quest

if u mean the weekly sparks/BG/arena quest u get near the conq vendors, no u cannot turn it in the following week

[solid gulch]

is there really no way to play a second account under the same game license ? sorry not pvp related but insane that i cant play another character in a 20min shuffle q

[potent pivot]

you have to buy the expansion again and a second sub pretty sure

[solid gulch]

yea i got a 2nd game license thinking id have access to all my chars lmfao

[potent pivot]

naw lol

you have to play 2 completely separate accounts

[solid gulch]

if shuffle qs were <5min or even 10min id probably lose my job

[potent pivot]

u can q multiple brackets at once

or go do something else in the game while q'd

[gilded gulch]

they are depending on mmr

and time of day

[broken prism]

has anyone dealt with this issue in rogue mages 2s where it feels like if the enemies clump, then the sap/blind/poly on target we arent opening on gets broken with splash dmg from shit like ignite spreading or frozen orb or secret tech etc? im not sure how to work around that

[proven kayak]

Haven’t played rogue mage (fire) since SL s1

[potent pivot]

@spring bough am i trippin or is KS not even on the CDM

[potent pivot]

ye like everything in the game auto cleaves now

not much you can do except try to cc them when they're more spread

double dps 2s is kinda dead lately

[spring bough]

it is there

[potent pivot]

ye nvm i was trippin

[spring bough]

we are winning blitz

and our one ret is telling us to report the other ret

and the other ret the reason we just won

[broken prism]

really? i feel like i see a decent amount of rogue mage tho

[spring bough]

double outlaw u say....

[potent pivot]

its just not as viable as playing with a healer realistically speaking

[spring bough]

blitz all morning is 2v2 rogues this is getting outta hand

[potent pivot]

KS being the only spell without a proper icon sends me

[spring bough]

KS just garbo

give us old KS icon and ability pls

all day

outlaw just owning maps all day

Shuffle…. Double ret and evokes lobby…. 😭

[potent pivot]

KS kinda goated

i find it funny ppl try to CC KS for whatever reason

[spring bough]

it dont change shit if they CC it lol

[potent pivot]

but they let Boomsticks, Demolishes, FoFs pad their faces

[spring bough]

still gonna get out rip ADR and BTEs

[potent pivot]

ikr

its just funny

for some reason like

they see a rogue start to channel something and shit their pants ig

[proven kayak]

One last voidsilver amen

[spring bough]

2-0 on my shuffle into round 3

oh my god im sweating

3-0 into round 4 oh my god i cant even grip my mouse my hands pure sweat

[proven kayak]

Is that serious ?

[spring bough]

yeah bro if i pull a 5 wins this is elite

[gleaming sentinel]

….lol

[spring bough]

4-2 at 2268 and i get ZERO POINTS

WTF

my starting mmr was 2268 wtf

can some1 explain this to me like i am 5

i even lost MMR somehow??