pvp

[severe helm]

guess gotta just check breakdown to see how much autos are doing vs how much bte is doing

30% more auto damage vs bte crits 3x

[grave basin]

do i even want KS as trickster

in pvp

[severe helm]

I think for me my autos were only like 10%

and as trickster

it buffs your finishers

instead of fatebound

which buffs all damage

so autos are weaker on tricckster

[severe helm]

I think thats still up to testing tbh

KS gives you more coup procs

more cdr

etc

but its a super weak button

[grave basin]

i kinda wanna just press W and see how far that takes me

havent touched law in ages

[severe helm]

moderately far in this meta prob

its very chaotic

[grave basin]

cba to play tactical specs

i need to turn my brain off

i swear in this meta ww has to pre everything to live too cba

[severe helm]

rogues not a great choice historically lol

for that

[spring bough]

https://x.com/mvqdh/status/2047336274764140873?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Mvq (@Mvqdh)

WoW is arguably THE most expensive games to play and yet there's a lack of:
- QA testing
- Class balance
- Communication w/ the community

Not only that, the amount of corruption in the balance team is disgusting; the right person dming a Dev on Discord will nerf/buff a class.

X · Apr 23, 2026, 3:26 PM

MVQ makes me laugh

[jolly sierra]

so how true is that lol

[abstract stratus]

hes upset because his spec is in the gutter

[severe helm]

I mean

hes not wrong

The quality to cost of wow is abyssmal compared to other games

if youre a pvper

[molten hedge]

Communication has been better this ssn than the others I remember. They fixed mw but now we have a mm problem. Hopefully they fix it. But I agree it feels like we’re still beta testing the live game lol

[severe helm]

I havent felt that way

DF was when they peaked imo

its been downhill since then

[molten hedge]

I started wow in TWW so that would explain our difference in opinion

[severe helm]

were worse off now than at the start of the season

oh yeah TWW was a garbage xpac

one of the worst imo

[molten hedge]

Ya now the healers all suck and mms gonna one shot everything lol

[severe helm]

yeup

the game is very bad at the moment

the UI problems are horrendous

tons of mechanics are bugged

the rating system still doesnt function

[spring bough]

Nahj weighing in too

[severe helm]

also not wrong

[molten hedge]

LMAOOOOO

[severe helm]

wins right now feel very unearned

even when I win I feel like I didnt actually do anything specifically correct

I just did damage and they died

[abstract stratus]

so the play is just perma cc mm and kill literally anyone else

[severe helm]

if you could perma cc someone it would be the healer

but you cant perma cc anyone

so you just lose to mm

[dark kernel]

MM is DF season1 Ret and DH levels rn

Shit is comically bad

[severe helm]

fr fr

[dark kernel]

Either don't queue or queue MM

[severe helm]

the retpocalypse ruined the entire season

but yeah if you arent queueing with MM youre just inting

[abstract stratus]

obviously not perma but i mean every kidney gouge blind whatever you can to shut them down to target literally anyone else otherwise you lose the round because it seems like killing the mm is just not possible if the dr is real

[severe helm]

dont bother

[severe helm]

nah youll prob just lose that wya

[dark kernel]

It'll take some heat off rogue at least

[severe helm]

cuz if you never cc the healer then you just lose

there isnt a "gameplan" vs mm

play like normal and hope you win

hope someone doesnt press a defensive

[spring bough]

ZUG ZUG

[severe helm]

your gameplan relies on someone else playing bad to beat an MM lol

[spring bough]

If I’m trying to lock onto MMs and my other dps doesn’t try as much. They end up dying everytime

And I’m sitting there like ??? Buddy just went 95% to 0% in 0.5 seconds

[molten hedge]

I had 0 problems killing mm in shuffles ln but it was a newer rog around 2k mmr

[severe helm]

yeah prob a lot of fotm mms rn

[molten hedge]

Yeahh

I’m in their ass

[severe helm]

even a perma 15% dr cant save some players

[molten hedge]

I’m just ccing their entire trueshot like we mentioned earlier. Same shit last ssn

[spring bough]

I could be so far up their ass and if my other dps swapping they gonna die. It’s actually funny asf

Like just gotta train these MMs 100% and they try to swap and get deleted

[molten hedge]

Yeah I had a warrior get deleted one shuffle he would train the fdk and not wall in opener and vanished

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[spring bough]

Someone on X says they hotfixed slivers to be 100% drop rate. Is that true?

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[wanton breach]

just had 2 wow crashes within the same shuffle

probably ended by now

just complete game crashes, some access violation error message

[spring bough]

Are u getting access violation crashes?

Yeah I just kept reading 😂

I thought my cpu was fried but I guess it’s just wow

[wanton breach]

is that a common error now?

fucking shit game started updating 400mb after 2nd crash so I got the deserter debuff now...

[molten hedge]

I only DCd one time in the past week and it was that error

[hollow carbon]

Had the same once today

[wanton breach]

i dont even know why that happened

[molten hedge]

I was 4-0 too

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[wanton breach]

i got the full -150 CR loss too

[vocal surge]

How's .5 going along?

[molten hedge]

I’m having fun

[vocal surge]

That's good

[molten hedge]

Are you not playing rn

[wanton breach]

absolutely stellar patch, perfect gamebalance, no bugs, tons of fun

[vocal surge]

Been grinding Division 2's Cherry Blossom event

[molten hedge]

It’s a good time to be a delulu trickster

[vocal surge]

Got new drip, managed to take advantage of the bugged Ronin spawns

before they got patched 6 hours to go

Talking +8hr sessions of nothing but staring at a manhole with an ACS and dropkicking the boss on loop with someone running laps back and forth between cars

with up to 3 others

[silent flint]

NooooOOO!

I just got DC'd and WoW Crashed during Solo Shuffle

WHY

[vocal surge]

F

rn im prepping some sandwich bread

[abstract stratus]

its gotta be something triggering it in arena

[vocal surge]

All Purpose flour + Rye flour, color stained with cocoa powder since we ran out

[abstract stratus]

like a specific ability or animation

[spring bough]

I’ve had it happen in 3 lobby’s this week. One of them twice and still pulled a 4-2 out my ass. Logged back in and I was like 35% health 😭

[vocal surge]

Sheesh

[spring bough]

Bro get on and play

3v3 with 2 outlaws gonna go hard 😂

[vocal surge]

Real?

[spring bough]

Real

[vocal surge]

who's our 3rd

[spring bough]

One of ur healer buddy’s?

[vocal surge]

They quit WoW

[spring bough]

We should find a MW then lol

[jolly sierra]

go blitz guys

SS is fried for this week wtf

[silent flint]

Gotta admit

[spring bough]

I’ve went up 100+ rating in both this week 😂

[silent flint]

I do like the new fake smoke bomb

[spring bough]

9-2 on blitz this week too 🔥

[wanton breach]

is it still that fried?

[spring bough]

Yeah mistweaver still balling on people

[vocal surge]

Aye

[silent flint]

Whew got back in to finish my arena

...and I'm maxed on cq already this week

[jolly sierra]

ye about the crashing issues i say

[stoic spruce]

@spring bough

[spring bough]

Surprisingly only time I get the access violation is in shuffle

[stoic spruce]

I got clowned on for being right

its hard being Popo

[jolly sierra]

ye seems its just in shuffle

[spring bough]

What’s the context

[stoic spruce]

MW nerfs

[grave basin]

real qn is when is imorph gonna be updated

[spring bough]

They need more

[stoic spruce]

fr

I played last night

said fuuuck this

because wtf is hunter rn

[silent flint]

Monk Nerfs when

[grave basin]

cacoon needs to not be synced to 1.5 min CDs

[stoic spruce]

im gonna go on itch.io and play some gooner games or something idk this game pissing me off these days

[jolly sierra]

pick the avon catalog from mum

[hybrid sapphire]

Good morning rogues what’s the good news

[stoic spruce]

the good news?

gooner games are back on itch.io

I was joking earlier, I thought they removed them

[hybrid sapphire]

I hate arsenal

[stoic spruce]

but now that theyre back its soundling less like a joke

I hate that the specs I hate most are always meta

why is monk always front and center

[grave basin]

wtf this is a real website

[jolly sierra]

ye

[vocal surge]

Ye

[spring bough]

Made it back to murlok. Outlaws so back boys

[vocal surge]

its a very old website

[stoic spruce]

yeah

they got good indie games on there

[spring bough]

Like our own favorite indie company

[static holly]

Should I keep the galactic gem for upgrading my daggers or just use it for the non-crafted pvp daggers

[molten hedge]

You weren’t. Mw is totally not op

Who said it was???

[wanton breach]

got one out of 5 slivers on my priest now

[molten hedge]

The nerfs were enough

[wanton breach]

this is going to take forever

[molten hedge]

Now all the healers suck

[stoic spruce]

troo

[stoic spruce]

you wouldnt know OP if it slapped you across the face with its balls

[vocal surge]

I got a wild af recommendation xD

a video with 333 views

and the channel has 222 subscribers

What's the odds of that

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/fap-tongue-out-gif-14639278

[molten hedge]

Lmaoo I’m fr. Mw is fine but none of the healers are insane now so we’re just all equally fucked

[stoic spruce]

well im not

theyre still pretty strong

[molten hedge]

Yeah I mean coccoon is almost a fake cd now

[stoic spruce]

y dis keep happening

it just fixed itself again

the trick seems to just have fun with it

[static holly]

Do I Craft One dagger next and upgrade it these new gems, and a trinket? Or what is the best option

[vale steppe]

My bet is dagger as outlaw cause OH Sims really high

[abstract stratus]

i thought all the speeds where normalized

[spring bough]

OH dagger still gives more poison procs

[vale steppe]

Afaik pistol shot scale with OH, not sure about BTE

[vocal surge]

Zero In procs go brrrr

[spring bough]

Meanwhile me I went sword for OH…..

[abstract stratus]

so mm hunter gets MS off of aimed shot AND pet when they run pet?

[spring bough]

Sounds so busted that ima report every MM for gameplay hacks

[abstract stratus]

looks like i might level BowTaeToe for the memes since i did play its breifly last season. just tryna stay occupied until they fix the arena dc issue

[spring bough]

Shhhhh Zicore about to come find u 😂

Usually Ivan posting how wild it is but he’s been quiet like it’s busted or something 👀

[lime oar]

assa is terrible don’t even waste ur time

anyway

0 sliver gang

[molten hedge]

I think outlaw outshines sub and assa in shuffle but all 3 feel good

[spring bough]

Outlaw is bad no one play it

[molten hedge]

Well not feel good to play necessarily.

[lime oar]

ahh fuck u guys summoned zicore

[molten hedge]

Assa feels horrible to play imo lol

[outer sky]

This Voidstorm speed leveling may actually be better than Siren Isle. Over 50% through level 81 and I've only been level 81 for 3 minutes. Averaging 7 minutes per level

[molten hedge]

Can’t hide no more

[spring bough]

[molten hedge]

I lvled like 30 ppls alts last ssn

Average was 3 mins a level

10-80

And 70-80 was like 20-30 mins total

[outer sky]

yeah idk

this seems OP af though

[molten hedge]

I do 🤣

[rough rock]

wtf my boosters never did SI

[outer sky]

and its only 400k for 80-90

[molten hedge]

It’s bc we’ve been slugging

[rough rock]

400k?!?!?!

WHAT

[outer sky]

I bought 5 boosts

yeah

[molten hedge]

It was 150k-250k for 10-80 last ssn

[rough rock]

you guys are fucking crazy

[molten hedge]

Shits expensive

[spring bough]

Hmmmm I might have rogue 2 on the way

[rough rock]

I’m so glad I just buy gold

[outer sky]

5 toons leveled 80-90 for just 2 mil

[rough rock]

(In minecraft)

[molten hedge]

I have 11 90s

I beat my own meats

Don’t let no one do it for me

[spring bough]

Bro why do u do that to urself lol

[rough rock]

2 mil gold in wow tokens would be insane

Shits like 50$

[molten hedge]

They’re 230k rn

[outer sky]

Gold is free

[rough rock]

I meant the correct way

[spring bough]

Def more than $50 lol

[rough rock]

[outer sky]

I will make all this gold back doing one single 0-1600 boost

[molten hedge]

$174

For 2 mil rn

[rough rock]

In Minecraft i spend 50$

[molten hedge]

Bro I need to do that wtf

[outer sky]

All of the communities I boost in require their pvp boosters to have at least 1 glad from the previous xpac

or the current one

[molten hedge]

Time to lock in

[rough rock]

Buying 0-1600 is crazy when it’s free

You literally can’t lose rating till 1600

[molten hedge]

Some ppl are just rly bad

[outer sky]

0-1800 is a lot more common

[molten hedge]

And die in opener every time

[outer sky]

PvErs want the elite set

[abstract stratus]

you give people to much credit

[rough rock]

My healer I’ve paid is like 50k gold per hour

[molten hedge]

There’s real ppl here with us who are stuck 1k-1300

I’ve seen this

With a thousand games played

[outer sky]

yah me too

[rough rock]

Although it’s funny cause he usually will just play boomie with my rogue in 2s

Bros a monster on boomie

[abstract stratus]

ive never breached 1200 rating shits hard i just tunnel healers and dont have cc or kicks bound

[spring bough]

Who Bigmoran?

[rough rock]

😭

[spring bough]

I love seeing Bigmoran he’s so easy to bait

[rough rock]

I swear I’ve had you in my blitz game once

[abstract stratus]

i dont play blitz unironically lol

i should tho

[spring bough]

Last night I was like “bro fuck this double boomy/dk CC” and Bigmoran hit me with “stfu rogue”

[abstract stratus]

tank some peoples games

[outer sky]

@molten hedge Check out this guy I found

[rough rock]

He’s just like me fr

I do need to buy another mil of gold I’ve been spending it all on my gf for her housing shit lmao

[outer sky]

Do you realize how bad youd have to be to have a negative win/loss ratio in shuffle at 1600cr as a RET PALADIN???

[vale steppe]

Me after ragequeuing at 2k

[rough rock]

(In Minecraft)

[abstract stratus]

his keyboard and mouse died every game after round 1

[obsidian prawn]

running

[rough rock]

https://x.com/mvqdh/status/2047336274764140873?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

Mvq (@Mvqdh)

WoW is arguably THE most expensive games to play and yet there's a lack of:
- QA testing
- Class balance
- Communication w/ the community

Not only that, the amount of corruption in the balance team is disgusting; the right person dming a Dev on Discord will nerf/buff a class.

X · Apr 23, 2026, 3:26 PM

@potent pivot more funny stuff from the mythical legend himself

https://tenor.com/view/quiffkilla-baby-crying-crying-baby-scared-crybaby-gif-13434123022358750322

[outer sky]

It's only the most expensive game to play for him because of all the RMT he does. It's not that expensive for people who don't cheat

[abstract stratus]

gimme the tea

[rough rock]

He needs his booster petkick to do anything anyways

https://x.com/kasuxoxoz/status/2047357037093200278?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

kasuxoxo (@kasuxoxoz)

I was wonder why Trill was playing MM hunter in AWC with pet talent Unbreakable Bond so many times , when back in the day it was completly useless. So some people was know about this bug for a years and hiding it

X · Apr 23, 2026, 4:48 PM

Has it really been a bug forever? Calling out trill like that hella crazy

With the amount of people that play Hunter, seems strange that it would have been a “bug for years that people are hiding”

[abstract stratus]

allot of people dont read abilities

or think

[molten hedge]

I saw one video saying it’s not a bug and in round 2 -6 of a shuffle you don’t have the buff so that’s why ppl are doing it

But I have no clue

[outer sky]

What is this about again?

Some defensive talent exploit?

[potent pivot]

Incorrect

[abstract stratus]

shit idek how it works myself but i did think explosive shot was fun last season so im gonna level mine since they added it back

[potent pivot]

It USED to only work in rounds 2-6, before the .5 patch it would not work in round 1 of shuffle

Now it works everywhere at all times no matter what

Apparently having 2 pet attributes isn’t the bug

But the talent that gives your pet 15% DR also gives the player 15% DR, when it’s obviously not supposed to. So everyone is running tank pet and that talent.

[outer sky]

They lose their MS for that right?

[potent pivot]

Not sure

I thought they only lose a little aimed shot damage for it

[outer sky]

Im pretty sure no tank pets have the MS

[potent pivot]

They basically have 2 different types of pets

While only having to have 1 pet out

So idk about that

Sounds like fake news

[outer sky]

Wait so is the bug just the talent or are they getting the benefit of more than one pet at a time?

[potent pivot]

Supposedly they’re supposed to get the benefit of more than 1 pet

And the 15% DR is the bug

But idk I don’t trust any of the hunters to be honest about the shit

[outer sky]

Well their MS comes from their pet attacking the target

I know a guy with like 9 hunters above 2.2k im gunna ask him about this

[potent pivot]

Does MM have no MS when it runs no pet?

[outer sky]

Correct

Hunter MS is their pet

And only certain pets have it

[potent pivot]

Then it doesn’t really matter anyway

[outer sky]

And im like 98% sure none of them are tanks

[potent pivot]

Because no one was running pet before this right

[rough rock]

Don’t need ms when you global someone

[outer sky]

Lmao basically

[proven kayak]

Average ret pala player

[abstract stratus]

pretty sure ms is built into aimed shot for mm

that was a change in tww i believe

[outer sky]

I still can't believe this is really the game right now LOL

[abstract stratus]

aimed shot does in fact give ms

so tank pet doesnt hurt ability to cut healing

but id imagine with all the other spaghetti code it prolly stacks with pet ms

LMAO

[potent pivot]

Even some of the best can do things that are not good

[frozen walrus]

You do you Mr Trickz. But IMO, KS is just a badly designed ability.

[potent pivot]

Idk I legit tested it yesterday and it still wasn’t working. Will test again when I can

[potent pivot]

It can be a badly designed ability and still be optimal to take

Many such cases in this game

[frozen walrus]

You could also be mistaken. Many such cases on this Discord. 😉

Like I said, we can all play what we think is best 🙂

[potent pivot]

the thing is, i'm not

numbers don't lie

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-family-guy-stewie-sad-i-hate-when-mum-and-dad-fight-gif-15864793

[frozen walrus]

No fighting 🙂

Fun, respectful, debating 🙂

[potent pivot]

we will discuss 0.2% dps differences in here until the end of the earth right

why would i be okay with people suggesting that just taking a dps loss more than 10x bigger than that is somehow okay

[spring bough]

For fun?

🤷‍♂️

[potent pivot]

it's not about fun though

talking about fun is all fine and dandy

sure

[frozen walrus]

Winning is fun. And KS goes against Winning.

[spring bough]

[potent pivot]

but just saying matter of fact that "you don't need X" "X is not worth running" is just plain misinformation

[frozen walrus]

But that is what you are saying?

[potent pivot]

what lmao

[spring bough]

Just win games then you’ll have fun

[jolly sierra]

winning is fun

[gusty hedge]

@spring bough found a Shuffle clip from TWW

[abstract stratus]

that target frame is gross

[spring bough]

RIP cheap spam

[outer sky]

So does outlaw take KS or no?

I thought yes with trickster and no with Fatebound

Have things changed.

?

[frozen walrus]

Trickz says yes

[outer sky]

And is Trickster decisively better than fatebound now?

[frozen walrus]

I and other players say no

I do think Trickster is better

[spring bough]

+13% over fatebound so yes

[frozen walrus]

Does A LOT of dmg right now

[spring bough]

Also 15% dmg reduction with cloud cover so better defensively

[outer sky]

Ok so trickster>farebound and do we play KS with it?

[spring bough]

Yes

[frozen walrus]

Yes on Trickster. On the KS question, play what feels best for you

Feels clunky for me. You may love it.

[gusty hedge]

skirm TWW had to outplay

[potent pivot]

you are trolling or something though

[abstract stratus]

hot take, ks should be more like KB for sin

[frozen walrus]

Why are you saying I am trolling?

What did I say that is wrong?

[spring bough]

Tbf Mewo gave us the %s on trickster without KS yesterday and it still beats fatebound 😂

[potent pivot]

pve numbers

[spring bough]

Only what a 2% loss without KS

[potent pivot]

in 100% uptime scenarios

[frozen walrus]

Once again, what is trolling?

[potent pivot]

of robot sims

pvp is more touch and go

[outer sky]

Most people on Murlok arent playing KS but theyre trickster

[potent pivot]

its closer to -5%

for pvp

[potent pivot]

most people on murlok

[outer sky]

I mean yeah fair

[spring bough]

Was in a lobby with a trickster outlaw last night and he wasn’t playing KS or cloud cover LMFAOOO

[potent pivot]

L0l

[outer sky]

What do you drop for KS?

[proven kayak]

Only see outlaw players theory crafting that much , is this spec that deep ?

[potent pivot]

my point is that just because outlaw is OP and you can win even if you play fatebound, doesn't mean you should just play suboptimally or suggest others play suboptimally

[outer sky]

Not really the other 2 are just braindead

[frozen walrus]

So basically having a different opinion than you is trolling? Do you hear how you sound?

[potent pivot]

people are just confused and there's more people being confused because outlaw is becoming flavor of the month

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/gasoline-risk-of-rain2item-gifs-risk-of-rain2-ror2-gif-27012458

[outer sky]

If the numbers are higher for KS than without then thats not his opinion

[potent pivot]

there are opinions, and then there is numbers man

[frozen walrus]

PVP is not a simulator brother

[potent pivot]

you can play whatever tf you want, i do not care

[frozen walrus]

CEARLY you do

[potent pivot]

but don't suggest others play something suboptimal as if its the "better" choice

[frozen walrus]

I have been the one saying play what you want. Play what feels best

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/wizardof-oz-scarecrow-dance-brain-gif-17659986

[frozen walrus]

You on the other hand, call people "trolls" if they dont play exactly what you do.

[potent pivot]

idc what you do

[stoic spruce]

You're being very obtuse

[potent pivot]

i care what you suggest to others here

[proven kayak]

That make sense

[frozen walrus]

He asked a question. My exact words were "Trickz thinks its better. I and others dont"

[gusty hedge]

not acute! OBTUSE

[proven kayak]

Sub is chill (over stimulate) man’s spec

[potent pivot]

and i think you and these others are trolling

[outer sky]

His point is that if the numbers are what they are then its not a difference of opinion anymore

[frozen walrus]

Zi, when did I tell you to play or not play KS?

[stoic spruce]

Not taking trickster atp is absolutely trolling regardless of how it feels

You absolutely shouldn't champion FB until trickster is nerfed

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-brain-monkey-gif-11098413

me a sin player

[proven kayak]

I love this server

[frozen walrus]

I never once told you what to choose. You asked if you take KS and I told you there are players playing it and not playing.

What is the prob?

[potent pivot]

he's talking about KS

[gilded gulch]

why would you not take ks

when it literally enables the hero tree

[stoic spruce]

Why would you take is as fb?

Wtf is going on?

Lol

[gilded gulch]

why are we talking about fb

[potent pivot]

the screenshot messages don't line up with the conversation

[gusty hedge]

I dont play KS on tricktster except on one rogue

[potent pivot]

read the whole convo popo

[stoic spruce]

I did

[abstract stratus]

I LOVE DEATHSTALKER SIN ROGUE AND I THINK ITS NOT BUGGY AT ALL

[stoic spruce]

He was never in the right

[abstract stratus]

did i add to the controversy

[gilded gulch]

blink twice if you're under durress.

[stoic spruce]

And then he was talking about sims

[outer sky]

You said you think its worse than not playing it

[stoic spruce]

And like

They do actually have a place in pvp but not how pvers use them

[potent pivot]

[gilded gulch]

does fatebound have anything going for it now

besides 4x hook

[potent pivot]

nope

[stoic spruce]

Consistent damage

[frozen walrus]

Yes I do. And I also said that Trickz prefers KS. What is the problem with that response?

[stoic spruce]

For outlaw

Idk about aub

Sub

[abstract stratus]

gambling addiction

[gleaming sentinel]

Where the HO / Fast action outlaws at?

[spring bough]

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-solo-darth-vader-star-wars-you-called-slide-gif-16473928

[stoic spruce]

Ew

[spring bough]

Bodymasage is playing fast action and he’s top 2 outlaw

[proven kayak]

[gleaming sentinel]

My new goat

[spring bough]

He’s also playing lethality

Telling yall. Lethality is the movement

[abstract stratus]

i need a bodymasage

[spring bough]

Pistol pistol going insane with lethality

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

saying its worse is just factually incorrect is the problem

[frozen walrus]

I am running Lethality and it is awesome

[gleaming sentinel]

Sounds sick (i don’t know what talent that is)

[outer sky]

I havent seen the numbers so I cant say for sure but its not just a matter of opinion. One of you is right and one of you is wrong. Because the numbers are what they are and those numbers are either bigger or smaller with KS than without. If theyre bigger youre wrong. If theyre smaller Trickz is wrong. Youre trying to frame an objective numerical difference as a subjective matter of opinion. That is whats wrong with that response.

[spring bough]

2% crit and 20% Inc crit dmg on builders

[gilded gulch]

free trinket bait gives cloudcover value

let's be real

[spring bough]

Pistol goes crazy with it Pk

[gilded gulch]

just the mindgame of people thinking its a real smokebomb

[gleaming sentinel]

I can’t get into a shuffle game because everyone is playing my spec

[frozen walrus]

If you base your PVP decisions on what a DPS sim says, than you do you brother.

[potent pivot]

no one is basing it off of pve sims

god why are some pvpers like this

[spring bough]

Do you know Zicore

[stoic spruce]

I love when they design abilities from vibe because then you get busted talents like cloud cover

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-gif-7398469

[gilded gulch]

idk i personally feel just making people shit their pants thinking its acc smoke bomb

has value alone

[outer sky]

Ive been vocally critical of the concept of basing PvP decisions on PvE Sims. Youre talking about the guy who didnt even play Deathmark as assa for a whole season last xpac lol

[stoic spruce]

I love when I get the "enjoy your AWC career" as if I actually want one

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[outer sky]

But that doesnt mean numbers dont matter

[frozen walrus]

Speaking of KS, what are you dropping to use it?

Honestly curious

Sleight?

[gleaming sentinel]

No one ever says that to me… wonder why…

[spring bough]

Whatever vibez

WE ALL ABOUT VIBEZ

[frozen walrus]

LOL

[stoic spruce]

You are

[frozen walrus]

Clearly people in here are not about VIBEZ

ONLY NUMBERS!!!

[stoic spruce]

It's an arms race and I tend to be at the top

[frozen walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-alan-the-hangover-math-zach-galifianakis-gif-3949555410039842380

[spring bough]

Vibez means whatever does the most numbers

[abstract stratus]

this is a meme

[outer sky]

It would be okay if it was usable on targets in combat

[proper vortex]

how come i am 2.8k as sub and cant even get over 1.6k as assa

[potent pivot]

Not running KS is like you're just ignoring the fact that at least 2 of these talents even exist. If you really think that I make suggestions based on sims or opinions you are miserably incorrect. If you look at the builds pinned in this channel, even for other specs, they do not follow Murlok or what "most" people do. Because a lot of people play very incorrect things in pvp, whether that be because they copied a streamer who played the spec for 10 minutes, did not do any actual testing and just pressed Q. Or whether they saw some random do it on a youtube video. Actual testing goes into what is suggested here, and usually it's not just by me alone.

[proper vortex]

blitz

[spring bough]

Wait wait wait. I wonder if cloud cover triggers this since it’s treated as distract

[proper vortex]

oh you still arguing over KS sorry mb

[frozen walrus]

We still going? I am moving on. You should do the same.

[spring bough]

Bro if this works with cloud cover. I might run it later

[gleaming sentinel]

Bodymasage is not playing spree

I repeat Bodymasage is not playing spree

[stoic spruce]

No you wanted this

[potent pivot]

actual lies

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/everybody-panic-gif-13346623

[spring bough]

He only cares about pistol shot. Telling you. Pistol with lethality. 🐐

[spring bough]

Can someone test if distracting mirage PvP talent works with cloud cover?

I won’t be home from work for an hour lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Checked drustvar the leading PvP player website

[abstract stratus]

it doesnt trigger it anymore but sure as shit scares people in skirms

[frozen walrus]

I wanted what?

[stoic spruce]

Oh my God get off my spec plz

[gleaming sentinel]

Cold blood no spree holy

[stoic spruce]

I'm gatekeeping rn

Get off

[potent pivot]

it does

from what i heard

[spring bough]

Does that mean u can hit adrenaline twice?

[potent pivot]

no

it just slows apparently or some shit

[spring bough]

Damn 🪦

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-retired-military-thats-what-im-telling-you-thats-what-im-gif-17078521446521623279

[stoic spruce]

It's only sub that has that pvp talent tho no?

[outer sky]

Correct

[potent pivot]

isn't mirage sub only anyway

yea

[stoic spruce]

You fool

Blasting your adr for what

[spring bough]

Damn 🪦

Imagine if it was on law and you could quadruple adrenaline

[stoic spruce]

I'd rather not have prep tbh

[outer sky]

Spamming smoke bombs lol

[outer sky]

Me too

[stoic spruce]

It's very awkward

[tired orbit]

Do we know why no outlaw plays these talents in arena ? (2/2 2nd pic)

[spring bough]

[stoic spruce]

I'll take the adr uptime hit

[potent pivot]

a lot of people also forget that murlok and all these sites are just what people logged out using

[potent pivot]

ace just got changed 2 days ago

we play 2/2 now

[quick temple]

honestly

[potent pivot]

imp bte has been bugged

[gusty hedge]

apparently the imp bte was fixed last reset

[quick temple]

i almost feel like a ret pally killing ppl from range with bte and pistol shot

[spring bough]

Someone said it’s fixed as of this week

[potent pivot]

i don't think so

[spring bough]

lol

[molten hedge]

A lot of ppl also forget that I never played outlaw, logged for a day, got #20 outlaw not knowing fucking shit and logged out

[potent pivot]

i know someone said it was fixed but i tested it yesterday and it wasn't

[spring bough]

Whazz or something it came from 🐐

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

yeah doesnt really seem like it was, think it was kalvish or one of those guys

[potent pivot]

yea who knows if thats reliable atp idk anymore

[spring bough]

I might have got some rating over u now 👀

[molten hedge]

Oh I’m sure I’ve dropped. I’m 1920 but got a 2nd one to 1850 as of ln

[gleaming sentinel]

I did that with assa last season. I was like top 25 for a bit

“Haha aoe garrote”

[stoic spruce]

I love when technology doesn't do what I ask :)

[potent pivot]

Some people also log out in bad builds on purpose to hide tech 💀

[stoic spruce]

Based

I'd do the same

[molten hedge]

Ivan

Logged with some fried shit when I went to copy his assa build

[spring bough]

L O L

[gleaming sentinel]

Loser scaredy cat antics

[rough rock]

In blitz it’s kinda fun in a 1v1, can seriously chunk with 3 stacks of blade

I think people are so used to it doing nothing they don’t expect it do half their health if I get the full cast off xD

[potent pivot]

Some people treat it like it’s Demolish in arena

[gusty hedge]

Cloud cover instant 3 stacks from aall attacks
the most ive seen it do with cloud cover was half someones hp bar it hit hard one match

[rough rock]

If they made it where you can choose between ST and AOE I think it would be a monster

Imo

[gusty hedge]

they should add the old KS back and put both of them on a talent node

[rough rock]

True

[gusty hedge]

that would mean another rework tho

[quick temple]

its honestly not super hard to get an isolated target some matches

like a mage is gonna get clapped by KS

[rough rock]

Yeah exactly I find the ability fun to use I just wish it wasn’t rng with the AOE when fighting pets

But I would prefer old KS 100%

[gleaming sentinel]

i have won 2s games with ks

[rough rock]

I was being dumb using it right after SC until tricks pointed it out lol

[spring bough]

[quick temple]

idrc for old KS, it was good rootbreak

[spring bough]

I grappled to a hunter that went Los last night. Hit full KS. Buddy went 50% to 0 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

yea iit can pump

[gusty hedge]

shit was clutch! staggering damage mage blinks/root breaks cloak off staggering damage lol

[gleaming sentinel]

and idk i just like havinig more buttons to press

[spring bough]

I have a full bar now lol

[rough rock]

Let’s see if I hit 2100 today

49%

[gusty hedge]

i always say ima que and end up in open world

[gleaming sentinel]

blitz giveth and takeeth

[rough rock]

Dude org has been popping for duels

[quick temple]

ive seen some ppl try to kick killing spree lol

[rough rock]

Never seen so many people

It’s kinda funny though every single day there’s an alliance raid

[gusty hedge]

i havent dueled since DF

[gleaming sentinel]

time to switch to prcog

[rough rock]

Does that happen in goldshire to alliance?

[gleaming sentinel]

[gusty hedge]

it used to looks like they stopped doing it , youll have a few people but no more than 5 now

[rough rock]

Damn

[quick temple]

that would be hilarious, cus 1 you'd feel stupid for precogging then the mental trip from rogue precog

[rough rock]

Feels like alliance always pulls up with a full ass raid haha

[gusty hedge]

yeah RR TPC/ HG/ PA and afew smaller guilds

[rough rock]

Damn do I really do 4 set

Are you guys actually enjoying it that much

[potent pivot]

Trimaz made 4set last night

Told me he was pumping

🔥

[gusty hedge]

damage increase off BR is nice , tricks said the tooltip is not saying everything its doing and he wasnt the first to say but no one is giving the juice

[potent pivot]

Oh you saw that eh?

[gusty hedge]

popped in on 10 min break

[spring bough]

4 set been rocking lol

[outer sky]

Blade rush is functionally a 30s CD with Restless Blades and for some reason the CDR on it from 4 set is not nerfed in pvp. I feel like even if the damage was bad from 4 set it would still be worth it for the ~20% shorter CD on a mobility cooldown like Blade Rush. If the damage is good too then its just a no brainer

[spring bough]

No one ever wanna listen lol

[potent pivot]

It’s not 30sec

It’s more like 12-18sec BEFORE 4p

[outer sky]

Yeah so even better

[potent pivot]

Depending on your rtb rolls

[spring bough]

I press blade rush so much

[outer sky]

Call it 20 seconds to be conservative

30% reduced CD

Even if it did no damage it would be worth for the mobility alone

[potent pivot]

And it does rly good dmg

[outer sky]

Ye

[potent pivot]

🔥

[spring bough]

100ks plus

[outer sky]

4 set is def the play for law

[potent pivot]

I love it when we come together and use our brains

Gotta show the fotms on murlok what’s what

[spring bough]

Bout to rock some blitz in 30 or so

Time to climb some more

[outer sky]

Im still being level boosted

About to ding 88

Then theyre going to do another rogue for me

[molten hedge]

@rough rock deff get it. You do the most

[stoic spruce]

Why are we just now saying 4pc is the play for outlaw?

I told y'all this forever ago >:(

[potent pivot]

Everyone was copying awc

[stoic spruce]

Oh was that a bit

[potent pivot]

Wut

[stoic spruce]

Nothing

Don't look outside your house

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thurston-waffles-meow-gif-15637283

[rough rock]

i was hating

FINALLY

[molten hedge]

I was thinking earlier ya know outlaw mm would probably obliterate ppl then I see Trimaz streaming it lol it looked fun

Trimaz was doing same dps as the hunter

[potent pivot]

lol worse than I thought

[molten hedge]

Maybe a couple thousand less

[rough rock]

ya node maps are gonna suck now

what should i 4 set

i have gloves/pants

[quick temple]

where's this posted

[rough rock]

on curseforge

[quick temple]

oh its bge kk

[lime oar]

gonna make it harder for them to track our movements too tho

[rough rock]

@potent pivot just do chest and shoulders im guessing?

[potent pivot]

All but chest

How much haste % you got in pvp

[marsh laurel]

@potent pivot which pieces you suggest as haste pieces? Or doenst it matter as Long as i reach 600/700

[potent pivot]

Yeah prolly just all except chest

[rough rock]

damn cant do head cause i crafted

[potent pivot]

Ah

Just do chest then I guess

Fix it when conq uncaps

Once you have 4p you’ll have the achievement for cata charges

So the only thing limiting you will be conq

[rough rock]

damn ill lose a solid amount of haste/vers

[potent pivot]

Chest is like barely barely barely worse

[rough rock]

goggles will make up the verse

but haste will be drop a bit

[potent pivot]

You’re more than fine on vers

Need some haste

[rough rock]

i could recraft one of my rings

1 of them is crit

[potent pivot]

Do you have any way to drop vers for haste at all

Probably not

[spring bough]

All my amulets are haste. 25% ez at PvP ilvl

[rough rock]

uh i could recraft the ring thats crit to do haste/crit

and drop vers from it

[potent pivot]

That sounds a little cursed

Ngl

[spring bough]

U might go below 20 verse lol

[potent pivot]

Naw

He has 30 rn right

[spring bough]

Gross lol

[rough rock]

the wm bonus doesnt count on dummies right?

[potent pivot]

I mean u can recraft again if u don’t like it

Do I don’t see why not

[potent pivot]

The what

[gusty hedge]

just run chest your haste shouldn't drop that much!
u can test with honor lvl chest or unequipp and hit a dummby to sea your haste %

[stoic spruce]

Warmode bonus

[stoic spruce]

You love "what" don't you?

[rough rock]

it doesnt even give 6% wtf

it 1%

[potent pivot]

Because it’s not base 6%

It’s +6% of your current vers

[rough rock]

true true

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

lmao

[potent pivot]

But yea I’d just try the crit haste ring

[rough rock]

wait hold on

[potent pivot]

Try to see what it would put you at first

[rough rock]

im running the dumb ass bracer

thats why

i was running it thinking i was getting 6% because of set

its a fucking mastery piece

[potent pivot]

Bruh

[gusty hedge]

now u have more haste

[potent pivot]

That also only works in open world

[rough rock]

i know i know

[potent pivot]

Not in arena/BG

Ah ok

[rough rock]

i think i just forgot about it while gearing cause the stats were high

so thought i was gaining an edge over honor gear

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

also all my gems are 16 vers, 7 haste so i could switch those around

[gusty hedge]

yeah

100%

[rough rock]

okay so ill do chest and shoulders

ill come back after i resocket and what not

okay so after 4 set and bracer change

i think im fine to do a haste/crit gem

[gusty hedge]

Thats how one of my rogues looks but 22% crit 23 haste 22 verse 8mastery neeed 2 tier sets pvp rocking my pve champ/hero one

[rough rock]

thionk im good

i swapped 4 gems lmao

[potent pivot]

Just try to juice haste

Closer to 25% is good on trickster

Crit is also rly good for trick

But it’s hard with s1 stat budget

[rough rock]

yeah i think ill keep it this even for now till uncap

only other choice would be switching the crit ring to haste but i dont think i want to lose that much crit

engi goggles cant do 2 stats right?

[gleaming sentinel]

So mm seems crazy

[spring bough]

Yes

[gleaming sentinel]

Finally got into a shuffle and he 6-0’s everyone. You just die to black arrow lol

Buff outlaw angle

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so

[gusty hedge]

you,d benefit more with haste gem over crit , atleast % wise dnt need to buy the max lvl one either if tempoary minor stat diff if u do all haste gems assumig u have all sockets on the gear that can use it , haste should be closer to 25% if not at 25, your crit looks to have stayed the same after gem

[rough rock]

i could just redo one of my rings thats crit

idk if i wanna recraft goggles from 130 verse i imagine id drop A LOT

[gusty hedge]

this is why u gotta have more than 1 rogue

one bis minmax and others w.e u want

[gleaming sentinel]

I wanna build a rogue with that tank necklace

[rough rock]

fuck it imma just roll with this for now lmao

[gusty hedge]

you should might be even better with a mythic crest neck too shield currently 198k with 255 ilvl in pvp

i use that and the tank trinket for open world and reg bgs and im pretty much unkillable unless 5v1 lol

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea farming mythic crests on fresh char might be hard but

[gusty hedge]

excursions are a good way for hero

[gleaming sentinel]

2x world soul aegis, jc tank neck, jc 2x embellishment and full vers stuff

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sheeesh-sheesh-gif-22353817

tank rogue is live

[spring bough]

Just take them off and see what ur verse is at at PvP ilvl

[spring bough]

Should I save my mythic crests to craft this tank neck 😂

[harsh kiln]

we're supposed to play 2x vanish talent for 3s?

or 1

[potent pivot]

Can depend on comp

Like into sub rogue u kinda need van

But otherwise supercharger is good

Some ppl have said lethality feels good too, I still have to test that

[potent pivot]

Yeah that’s a bit much

Trickster is a lot more tanky than fatebound

But 130 vers is a chunk

Fazed is a 5% DR

Which also stacks from Cloud

[gleaming sentinel]

Gotta spend mine on pve. 3.4 grind :/

[harsh kiln]

so it's either supercharger or doub vanish

[proven kayak]

2 galactic void silver only 8 to go 🙄

I play both super charger and extra vanish

[potent pivot]

Atm yeah

[potent pivot]

You’re dropping something you shouldn’t be then

[rough rock]

i drop from 24% to 21%

not bad ngl

i might recraft it

[wanton breach]

Rating?

[proven kayak]

Most people play this me included

[wanton breach]

Not playing vigor sounds like shooting your own foot

[proven kayak]

Why tho it feels okay

[potent pivot]

As what spec bro

[rough rock]

playing outlaw with sin energy pool sounds like playing classic

[proven kayak]

Sub you were talking about outlaw if yes mb

[rough rock]

oh lol

[potent pivot]

Yes

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-insane-asylum-insane-gif-4104415833497517860

[potent pivot]

[proven kayak]

Mb gng

[potent pivot]

No worries

I had the feeling when you first said it

[proven kayak]

That’s a good one

[spring bough]

If u said outlaw no vigor I would have died

[proven kayak]

No one is dying

[rough rock]

alright im sticking with this for now, i could recraft goggles and drop to 21% verse but i do kinda like the verse and i think 22% haste is alright for now

at least until conq uncap

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/exhausted-tiffani-thiessen-lori-mendoza-alexa-and-katie-tired-gif-16754770

Ank over here playing no vigor outlaw like

[proven kayak]

Haha

I’m just a sub guy

Maybe I should try outlaw when conq is uncapped or if I lvl Up my other rogue

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

can never have too many rogues

[proven kayak]

No time to play more than one tho

[rough rock]

@spring bough was just sitting node all game but god damn

lethality SMACKS

[gilded gulch]

[gusty hedge]

LOCKED In on some pug game Hook Br Bte everyone

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot outlaw leaning towards more crit in pvp too?

[vocal surge]

Ye

[potent pivot]

Most people aren’t but they should be ye

[rough rock]

the damage feels so much better than FB

[potent pivot]

It’s just hard because you need so much haste and a decent amount of vers

[molten hedge]

I got some crit gems

Crit and haste

[potent pivot]

The damage profile is just better ngl

[molten hedge]

Or maybe it was crit vers

[rough rock]

this was on another rogue

[potent pivot]

Outlaw team fights now apparently

Instead of full objective focus

[rough rock]

I could see that

i feel like all the giga duos i come across always go healer + dps to capture a point

[outer sky]

Whats the haste breakpoint for outlaw again? 20%?

[potent pivot]

You want to get closer to 25

[outer sky]

So what haste and vers fo you want to be at before stacking crit?

[potent pivot]

20-25% of both

There’s not much room left for crit but any little bit helps

[rough rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUEPtnKOhLw

oh nvm its pve stuff

[river pollen]

Did like 4 shuffle and still no sliver

Whats kinda wack is that 2h users dont need 10

[potent pivot]

Idk that’d be kinda fucked for fury

[river pollen]

Maybe 7 then or smth

Shuffle is where most drops seem to happen right

[potent pivot]

And blitz yea supposedly

But fresh chars are apparently having much better luck for some reason

[river pollen]

Zamn

I dont have an alt so probably not worth lvling, i did some shuffle at the start of the season for the tier thing so my main isnt fresh

[outer sky]

Someone i know said they stopped dropping today and that the fact that they were dropping in pvp at all was a bug because the PvE people have to wait weeks for their upgrades. Idk how true that is though

[river pollen]

I feel like that would fuck up things more so im not sure if i should believe it

[potent pivot]

Sounds extremely questionable

[river pollen]

Earlier i was doing blitz i was so glad i was winning only to realize i can was horde

Forgot they did that

[potent pivot]

We never got a quest or any event to start ours like pve did

[outer sky]

Ye

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure pve already started something

It’s just gated

The fact that they announced nothing about this system

Is so disgraceful ngl

[outer sky]

Yeah i feel super in the dark

[spring bough]

qued blitz walk downstairs fill my water come back up not a minute later annnnnddd que popped n gone

first shuffle lobby? MM and devouer....

[molten hedge]

Vancleef in meeps lob

For r1 damn that’s a big MMR difference

Vancleef 2-0!!!

But so is mm 💀

[spring bough]

this devourer

isnt going MM?

[molten hedge]

lol

Van 2-1 I’m live commentating

Mm 3-0 big surprise

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

Van 2-2 mm stonks up

Who knew

[spring bough]

FUCK THIS MM

BRO GOT NOTHING ON ME

[molten hedge]

Ouuuu van 3-2

[wanton breach]

[spring bough]

RIP

MM just living thru everything unreal

[molten hedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/meepmonkmw/clip/DeterminedCulturedBurritoHeyGirl-OXqNIT84cNhDDFfR

[spring bough]

LOL

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[spring bough]

bro this hunter ate like 8 BTEs after the tutrtle

and wasnt budging

[potent pivot]

Called you a NOOB van

[spring bough]

then the devo hit the feral for like 300k in 1 second

bet he wouldnt have complained if he won that last round lol

[spring bough]

pistol with lethality.... you gotta try it lol

[molten hedge]

Stupid rog

Pveing

[spring bough]

atleast i didnt lose rating to an MM lol

[potent pivot]

Yeah I’m gonna try a bunch of stuff once I’m fully geared

Got leveled and farmed a few crates last night

Gonna do another hour of crates later then start queuing it up

[spring bough]

im sittting at 16 crit 25 haste and 22.5 verse feels pretty good

[gleaming sentinel]

cold blood?

[spring bough]

yeah lol

was running imp bte too

[potent pivot]

Make sure it works first kek

[spring bough]

so BGE is finally showing up but it is showing the friendly team on the enemy list lololol

[potent pivot]

It’s gonna be buggy for a while

It also does practically nothing

Idk if it can even update health lol

[river pollen]

Does it show the sliver in rewards for u guys in rated rewards thing

Cus it doesnt for me

[potent pivot]

Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn’t

I don’t think it matters

[spring bough]

DK with 0 points on temple map makes me mad lol

"i tried but no support" bro u have 0 points lol

[rough rock]

dude the amount of dks and paladins that dont grab orbs and say "youd want me on dam" LIKE YOU KNOW IT GIVES YOU A BUFF RIGHT????

[spring bough]

crazy work they dont wanna do double the dmg

[spring bough]

2nd blitz game its showing enemy team now

[gusty hedge]

[molten hedge]

so we think using voidsliver on OH

is the move

[spring bough]

bro hunters can shoot thru the crystal on mines map???

thats such bull lmao

[potent pivot]

No?

[molten hedge]

oh i thought ivan said in pve its better so figured it may be same

[potent pivot]

It isn’t better in pve

Offhand has slightly more value on outlaw than it does for assa/sub, but it’s still very small

Trinket is more value still

[spring bough]

losing deephaul ravine... our team gets both carts... go mid delete 2 MM hunter get crystal cap and we come back and win

was just facing 3 MM hunts lololol

[molten hedge]

oh ok so upgrade insig

[spring bough]

same here... time to grind 5 more slivers lmao

[potent pivot]

Mainhand > insig > offhand > medallion

[spring bough]

galactic illusion on the new galactic pvp weps is so fire

back sheathe too

[potent pivot]

Ye I think it’s one of the best illusions ever

Better than shadowflame

[spring bough]

it colors the blades on this one

[potent pivot]

Yea that’s insane

[spring bough]

bro... they have shattered daggers too ommmggg

[potent pivot]

It’s kinda like the black illusion from SL, but way better

[green grove]

anyone know if crashes are still happening?

[outer sky]

They are

[green grove]

lovely

[dark kernel]

Nice cocks bro

[spring bough]

New weps n illusion just too good

[lime oar]

yeah these are sick

reminds me of the broken straight sword u get in the beginning of dark souls

[rough rock]

.

i like them on these swords

theres some where it doesnt do that blue fade at the end but instead does a subtle glow for the whole weapon

also lol

[worn geyser]

​Hi, I'm currently debating which talent to pick in the general Rogue class tree for PvP: Cold Blooded Killer, Forced Induction, or Without a Trace.
I'm personally leaning towards Cold Blooded Killer, but I've noticed that a lot of top ladder players are picking Forced Induction, which makes me hesitate.
What do you guys think?

[rough rock]

for outlaw?

[worn geyser]

Yep outlaw

[rough rock]

Best is SC instead of vanish if running trickster which you should be doing now

[spring bough]

amazing

[rough rock]

however CB is super fun with pistols

pistol damage is stupid fun

[potent pivot]

Forced Induction is known to be good, Cold Blood needs more testing

[gusty hedge]

leathality! cold blood killer 10% chance to crit on finisher, u can actually swap that for 1 supercharger for meme

[rough rock]

I just name the capstone :p

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/theme-song-opening-spin-intro-hannah-montana-gif-5033319757797925032

[spring bough]

outlaw can solo paladins for flag caps in blitz

GG its over lol