pvp

[potent pivot]

yep

[rough rock]

alliance dogs down

[stoic spruce]

Based

[spice tiger]

should i be using wound and crippling?

[potent pivot]

yes

[spice tiger]

ty

[stoic spruce]

Yw

[topaz bramble]

listened to some shit advice and crafted neck and rings with heraldry; got my 4 set now - hero legs though. conq chest. any advice on what i should aim for/craft?

[potent pivot]

would be nice if you cropped the photo a little higher or included your spec in the message ngl

[topaz bramble]

sub lmao

[potent pivot]

the sword/dagger icons are so similar this season

[potent pivot]

so are you playing with zero embellishments, or?

[topaz bramble]

both rings have iris atm

[potent pivot]

hmm

how much conq do u have

pretend ur at the cap if ur not already capped

[topaz bramble]

950 at cap 755 atm

[potent pivot]

hmm

[topaz bramble]

have 80 myth crests too for a myth craft

[potent pivot]

so u bought a conq chest too oof

[topaz bramble]

never trust randos and always find class discs...

[potent pivot]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[topaz bramble]

papa trickz pls help

[potent pivot]

you have to recraft the 2 pieces of jewelry at some point to clean the iris off of them

you don't have to do that ASAP, but at some point

you can technically craft honor ilvl heraldry gear to put arcanoweave embellishment on them, and recraft those to conq heraldry level later

or

you can just run iris until we craft weapons later and put darkmoon hunt on the weps

that won't be for another 3-4 weeks though maybe

so you'll have to decide how u wanna run that

[topaz bramble]

fml how to reset

wheres vanish button for gear

[potent pivot]

its not that difficult to do

[topaz bramble]

what should i do with the conquest?

[potent pivot]

probably insignia

you won't have enough to buy 2x 525 pieces

reset is in a day or two tho

[topaz bramble]

save for next week and go cape + wrists?

[potent pivot]

you might be able to do uhhh

insignia+crafted belt+crafted wrist

on reset?

950+800=1750

insig is 525, wrist is 525, belt is 700 right

[topaz bramble]

ya

[potent pivot]

525+525+700=1750

so you could just put 2x arcanoweave embellishments on the wrist/belt

all that will basically fix your gear

you'll just have jewelry instead of other pieces, nbd

[topaz bramble]

legend thanks for your time and the breakdown

[rough rock]

man i thought 1400 blitz was bad

how to people with functioning brains make it to 1900 i swear none of these people even know how to play wow

[severe helm]

well

blitz is a lot more inflated than arena

top of arena is like 2400ish right now

and top of blitz is like 3200+ rn

[stoic lava]

anythinb below like 3k in blitz isnt even the game

unfortunately

[balmy shuttle]

Even at 3.4k Blitz MMR you get the occasional guy in PvE gear or 1.7k XP player.

[stoic lava]

Indeed

[grizzled basin]

Less dans 2 days for blizz to announce pvp weapon ilvl buff :p

but i dont mind some solo PvE tbh

[potent pivot]

i think pvp ilvl will just automatically go up on reset

[grizzled basin]

Praise be

[vocal surge]

Me watching a DH sandbag in Blitz at 2500 MMR

[wanton breach]

it worked like that in tww s3 turbo boost

Surely blizz wont forget about pvp

right?!

https://klipy.com/gifs/padme-2

[stoic spruce]

Nah

It'll go up for sure

Pessimism is fine but ya gotta be realistic

Nahmeen?

[potent pivot]

Yee

I don’t remember how it worked in pve in TWW

Like if they had to farm something for it or if it was automatic

[stoic spruce]

99% sure mythic gear just increased in upgrade slots

[potent pivot]

Yea I thought I remembered it being something simple

Kinda seems like they’re over complicating things even more now

With the bonus rolls and having to farm 1 turbo per week

[stoic spruce]

They're soft launching borrowed power acquisition

I've no idea where all this talk is coming from btw

Is this new?

[gusty hedge]

blitz feels no different than reg bgs

only thing is you'll get suspended quicker for saying anything in chat

[dark moon]

Pve items became 6/8 from 6/6,so essentially had to farm 30(?)crests per item to upgrade everything

[hollow carbon]

Hamster wheel for pve players

[cobalt pewter]

arms warrior nerfed before rogue

[pastel burrow]

Your fight is finished

You can rest

[dark moon]

Any ikea gamers?

[static holly]

Do we still get catalyst charges for hitting 1600+ in pvp

[dark moon]

Charge, not charges

[static holly]

Yes, sorry. Meant one

[dark moon]

I didn't mean it like that

[static holly]

Hm should maybe try to relog

Just got out of the mmr hell in blitz 😭

Nope. No charge

[dark moon]

Check bags

[static holly]

Shouldn't we have now 4 with the charge?

[dark moon]

And loot it

Or mailbox?

[static holly]

Oh yes it's in the bags

Thx

[dark moon]

Nps

Im not sure how many charges are available cause i got my 4 set during the second week

And I've been 8/8 eversince

[static holly]

1 for 1600. And when you unlock 4 set bonus you can get charges or so for certain weekly activities or so (if I remember it right)

[dark moon]

Ye, they start dropping from m+ chests like crazy

Ive catalysted whole hero track then whole mythic track and im sitting at 8/8 available charges

And some off parts, too

So its better to get 4/4 set asap

At least for pve

[static holly]

I just try to get my elite set, then the illusion and if I don't lose interest go for weapon skins 🤣

The amount of stupidity always breaks me

[dark moon]

Last season i got 2.4 in shuffle, and had plans to collect various pvp sets this season as well, but i really don't feel the pvp scene. Still can't get over the cc changes

Improving my ikea build

[static holly]

Did play a bit of shuffle in the first 2-3 weeks but as an average player I only managed 1550+-
I will push later again to 2.1, way easier for me to start week 11-12+ with it

[dark moon]

Its hell right now, cause every lobby is multi glad players

Once they reach 3k it should be enjoyable

[static holly]

Jep

[proven kayak]

I just did 6-0 at a lobby best feeling

[wanton breach]

why are dk zombies on a different stun dr

absolute aids

warrior spear > dk zombies = micro cc fuckfest

[spring bough]

Made it back on murlok. We famous 🙌

[spring bough]

Good

[molten hedge]

Rog buffs inc tomm 🤫

[cobalt pewter]

its over

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-ready-to-fight-pumped-up-just-getting-started-blake-lively-gif-17579449721440004984

[hazy monolith]

https://youtu.be/r8Q3pe44IWw?is=sbIiH9UoWqlHyhqZ

Hpal lock rogue stonks

[spring bough]

Now we all know the secret. Delete this so we don’t get nerfs 😭

[jolly sierra]

always rextroy

[warped gate]

From the thumbnail I thought Rogues could do the infinite CC.

[vocal surge]

Nah, just Sub n Lock

[warped gate]

Daaamn, I just fucked up a 3-3.

Went 2-4 because I got greedy and went in for the kill when I saw it, but they double killed me.

Not giving a draw and making both teams lose is such a bitch-made thing to do.

I'd even take an overtime round over that.

[static holly]

Yeah imagine being a healer. You play against the others and your own team trying to los you

Lessons learned. Hit the queue

[warped gate]

That double Vanish build on Outlaw is a nice clutch to swap to when you're the primary target.

You could see the wheels turn in their head after a few minutes and they were like fuck it, zug the partner.

[dark moon]

is devastation getting buffed tomorrow?

[hybrid palm]

is there a way to get badge trinket with haste on it instead of crit ?

in epic variant

[spring bough]

God I hope not

[severe helm]

no

[grave basin]

holy shit

he did the meme

HEALS????

ofcourse it's a ret too

[spring bough]

Bro just reply back “shields??????” “Lay on hands??????”

[grave basin]

[broken jewel]

Rival s3 tww

Urgudged xd . No you xd

[grave basin]

the audacity to say i hate low rated kek

[jolly sierra]

how hypocrital

sonya called him off well lol

[grave basin]

sonya is me

[outer sky]

He hates low rated but this is his xp?

[grave basin]

rets man

[outer sky]

God damn bro if brains were dynamite this guy wouldn't have enough to blow his nose

What is it about this pink class

Everyone who plays it is delusional

[grave basin]

funny thing is i just did the zicore special

port behind pillar and he chased me i swept him into a rwk rsk

[spring bough]

LOL

Absolute cinema

[grave basin]

did it twice too

he doubled down

i could feel him seething after my comment

burned every cd just chasing me around the pill while i ported and rooted him

[outer sky]

I killed a sub rogue like that yesterday. It was risky because I lined my healer to do it. But I ran behind a pillar and the rogue followed me to do a go but he didnt have trinket

So once he got there I just vanished

Then kidneyd him

And killed him behind that pillar

Uno reverse card

[grave basin]

surprise motha fucker.gif

[jolly sierra]

good job

[jolly sierra]

yes i am

[abstract stratus]

is follow the arrow techincally faster than rxp now or is rxp still the minmax champ

[warped gate]

'Eyyyyy, I broke 1800 and it's all because of this Discord!

I called an audible that we go on the Priest because he was pumping and y'all told me that if a Priest is pumping, it means he's no longer immortal.

DPS disagreed at first and told me fuck no, but after ignoring him and going on the Priest and him dropping low, he realized I was right and jumped on.

[gleaming sentinel]

https://youtu.be/r8Q3pe44IWw?si=IadV-END05sQEnnw

[severe helm]

yep 100% if priest is running voidweaver theyre free lunch

[molten hedge]

Yeah I played some 2s with one ln and we were just dead if they stopped their window and stayed on them it’s rough

It didn’t feel that bad last ssn

[lone jasper]

To be honest, I can’t really figure out the reason. This problem has always existed at lower ratings, but I don’t even know how to explain what’s happening now. Maybe because I’m playing Sub Rogue, I’ve become especially sensitive to all these pointless actions in Solo Shuffle over the last few games, I just feel like I need to talk to someone about it.
Basically, almost every round starts with everyone who has any kind of stun overlapping them on each other, so I end up playing straight into stun DR right from the start. Recently I had a Paladin who kept saying he hates priests and wanted to kill one, and from the very start of the match he was just chasing our healer priest. Then, at the start of the next round, he died in exactly 3 seconds.
In another game, there were two rogues, and I used a full Kidney Shot on a target without a trinket, dropped Smoke Bomb, and my priest gripped the target out, twice. The only thing I can tell is that people know how to use all their CC on me as much as possible throughout the game.
On top of that, they have absolutely no awareness of target switching. As a Sub Rogue I constantly swap targets, but once they pick what we would call the main target, they completely tunnel it and stop looking around. There are so many situations where I swap to the healer for a kill opportunity, but they just don’t react at all.
i don’t know, it’s starting to feel impossible. Not being able to climb to 1800 rating is just too much. Out of the last 20 rounds or so, I can barely remember 2 or 3 that felt somewhat normal.

https://giphy.com/gifs/Hooraystudios-hoorayheroes-hooray-studios-hooraystudios-Q7cVJSbUNjuqZb69cW

[sharp sierra]

I hate to give you such answer, but that's life as a sub rogue.
This expansion it's a bit less frustrating, since dance is up much more often, but TWW I can name 10-15 R1 rogues who refuses to play Subtlety in shuffle cause of this.

Imagine last expansion. You spent 30 seconds farming back dance, for your evoker to play fly stun, hunter throws a triple binding shot, warrior is in zugzug mode and presses a triple shockwave. I litteraly can't give you an answer better than, thats the life of a sub rogue.

[proven kayak]

If they dr your goes with cc do pure dmg you can also split the damage healers in lower rating don’t know how to do so you attack split targets and you swap yourself in your other dps target so you force a switch yourself

Sometimes as sub you can win by being annoying but sometimes you have to pump dmg dance now is a short cd so you would be able to pump

[hollow carbon]

Generally in shuffle and especially in low rating shuffles it is more important to roll with the chaos and see what is the most valuable play to win the round in every moment. You can get very creative and find the right targets, solo someone, mess with their positioning and so on. And if they cc a target just roll with it and just blast dmg. Healers cannot handle the pressure at that rating. @lone jasper

[lone jasper]

Thanks, guys. I’m not that new to playing Rogue, and I already understand quite well things you explained. It’s just that I’ve really been struggling this season, that’s why I wrote it. I guess Sub Rogue is especially sensitive in Solo Shuffle, whereas in 3v3, when I’m playing with Discord, I get completely different results. I just don’t have consistent partners to play with, but that’ll get sorted out too

[warped gate]

So what you’re saying is.. I’m a 2400 player?

[molten hedge]

personally i just kindly ask ppl to let me stun and they do i rarely have issues

and just use a ping for swapping

just dont spam it or theyll ignore you

[spring bough]

The last one I saw in shuffle went 0-6 and told me if void disc didn’t suck he’d be rank 1

[rough rock]

[Head, eyes]

https://tenor.com/view/tarkov-junker-headshot-head-head-eyes-gif-21110018

[twin wren]

Hey all, so I've started playing rogue (sub), DH (ranged) and Holy Priest...

Any tips? I end with such terrible damage. Maybe I'm terrible (likely). We are just getting into it. Probably 1350 at the moment.

I'll take all advice, tips, comments, anything

[spring bough]

yall ready to be tricksters tomorrow?

[molten hedge]

are you holding dances?

[potent pivot]

Read the #subtlety-faq or wowhead guides to learn the basics of doing damage

[potent pivot]

Insignia is just kinda better rn anyway

[spring bough]

Damn trickz out here deleting our shit 😭

[potent pivot]

Sry

After I send a msg on phone, it stays in the typing box

Makes me think it doesn’t send, so I click send again

Really weird

[dark kernel]

I have an odd question. But for people who have done delves and are good at them, what level do I need my Valera to hit to do the ?? Boss

My girl is like level 34 right now. Do I have to grind this chick all the way to 80 or 90

[spring bough]

My valeera was like level 15 when I did it lol

[spring bough]

Pretty sure u gotta be 90 to do ?? Delve

[dark kernel]

I tried it when she was like level 20 and the DPS was too tight for me to kill the boss before

My buddy told me that my damage from her was really low and that probably was why

[raven quiver]

I just got a blood tank to tank it with me and set Vall as a healer lol

[dark kernel]

I could probably just get drums and try it again in a week or two

I just want the free Mythic crests

[raven quiver]

Get a group, practically free then.

[dark kernel]

I thought you had to do it solo

[raven quiver]

They used the highest Val in the group

Solo it for the achieve and mount.

Crest can be a group

[dark kernel]

Oh I see

Shit might as well get the mount anyway.

[raven quiver]

Just get a tank or healer alt and save some time.

Disc is a joke doing it

[potent pivot]

R Druid is too

[raven quiver]

My guilds 240 disc solo’s it and ask us what was so hard when it came out.

[potent pivot]

You just let dps Val tank it for 15min

[spring bough]

I tanked it on my DH prob why I could do it w a low level valeera

[potent pivot]

From what I’ve heard it’s pretty hard as rogue

I think early on something was bugged that let a lot of people clear it easier

Solo was saying it felt impossible to do as outlaw iirc

[dark kernel]

That seems to be the case. I have heard that during the last ad you should just survive and then use all your cooldowns during the last phase to just pump him.

But in earlier videos the ads and stuff died way faster

Whatever. I'll get it eventually I just don't like grinding but PVE has been kind of fun

[raven quiver]

Ya the last add is drums and burst for sure.

Fought something worse in solo shuffle than a frost mage…..

Feral / arms/ and 2 mistweavers.

Disarm / stun / clone / fear each dance. I’d rather be rooted.

[spring bough]

@potent pivot ellesemere slowly addingg more and i keep deletingg more addons

prat gone now... warp deplete gone too... character panel addons gone

[potent pivot]

🔥

i still haven't installed it

does it do actionbars?

[raven quiver]

What is ellesmere addon or profile?

[potent pivot]

i used bartender+masque in TWW, but masque never stops giving errors so i stopped using them both

now i just use base blizz bars with framecolor to turn borders black

[potent pivot]

its an entire UI addon, almost similar to ElvUI, but less bloated, easier to customize, and very lightweight. its mainly a pve focused UI thing

a lot of the settings aren't exactly useful for pvp but it is prolly becoming one of the best 'all in one' UIs

[spring bough]

i hate people in blitz man

at farm... blind warrior start capping flag.... MW comes up throws disc knocks out warrior from blind and warrior hits me .1 seconds from cap

GG man does any1 understand CC in blitz

[potent pivot]

i just saw this

[dark moon]

what

i almost had a heart attack

[potent pivot]

same

they really suck at titles

[spring bough]

do they really need 8 hours for the patch tomorrow....

[potent pivot]

they have to make sure players can't start flying around the open world as flower pots and benches

[tribal ridge]

How's Sin for PvP in BGs these days? I noticed there's 2 talent trees in the Pinned and both are different than the one in Icy Veins.

[river pollen]

I have a dream its gonna be done by 12pm pst

(Clueless)

[river pollen]

Trust the pins

Icyveins for sub is wack at least

Idk about assassin but prob not better than pin builds

[tribal ridge]

I turst the pins! lmao

Seems like one talent is oriented for ST burst and the other to spread bleed around like the plague.

[potent pivot]

icyveins is extremely troll for pvp these days unfortunately

[tribal ridge]

I haven't even spent my Conquest yet for gearing, quite odd.

[potent pivot]

they are both really good at both things, they only change the dmg profile slightly to be real

most people will say that sub is the only good spec for Blitz

because its just got way more access to CC now

you can do okay on any spec in the game, but if you're good at sub you can carry a lot

[tribal ridge]

I see, tyvm!

[gusty hedge]

@gleaming sentinel

https://tenor.com/view/guns-up-mafia-thats-how-it-works-the-godfather-gif-4653709131293521964

[gleaming sentinel]

Welcome back to the outlaw club

[potent pivot]

nice

did u lvl valeera n stuff

[stoic spruce]

KEELHAUL THE LOT OF THEM

[gusty hedge]

yeah shes maxed!
i failed so many times right at the end until i realized i needed a cancel aura macro for tricks of trade so valeera doesnt die/ fail to rez her at end phase

[outer sky]

Wait did they unnerf death mark???

[rough rock]

what would the nerf be?

[potent pivot]

the nerf is on the deathmark bleed dmg

it doesn't "duplicate" anymore, just doubles the damage now iirc

[outer sky]

It used to be that it would duplicate your garrote and rupture but in pvp the duplicates would only do 50% damage

this version looks better

[potent pivot]

ya

the only pvp modifier on it now is the deathmark bleed

actually that might be gone too

[outer sky]

yeah its gone

now if they could just make hemo 40% again

and tie it to Kingsbane

we'd be in business

[potent pivot]

that just sounds a bit too disgusting lol

[stoic spruce]

I wish we still had sting...

[rough rock]

hey...i know this guy

@gusty hedge

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sting-gif-7793999

[stoic spruce]

My goat...

My dad bought me a stuffed sting to beat up and if you bit his nose it'd say "Ow stop biting my nose"

[wet parcel]

What are these incoming buffs for outlaw people keep talking about?

[stoic spruce]

Trickster got omega buffed

Probably on accident

It looks like it was designed off vibe

[gusty hedge]

👀

[potent pivot]

the Cloud Cover design changes

there's a smaller buff to ace

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

but the cloud cover changes are the big one

which also buffs sub quite a bit as well

[stoic spruce]

Double ace inc...

Dropping sleight for it

Idek what sleight is doing with new rtb

[potent pivot]

i'm gonna switch the outlaw build in the pins

[stoic spruce]

Other than "increased chances of higher stages"

[potent pivot]

and no one on ladder will be running it

gonna be funny

[stoic spruce]

Sleight?

[potent pivot]

trickster

i think a lot of pvpers have no idea about how big it is

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah

[severe helm]

I think people will run it

[potent pivot]

@pearl bane might know about it

[severe helm]

They read the patch notes

[potent pivot]

the patch notes don't tell you anything bro

lmao

[stoic spruce]

They also don't understand patchnotes

[severe helm]

They tell you about cloud cover

[potent pivot]

??????

they don't tell you how it interacts with the other talents whatsoever

[severe helm]

The 10 people who play outlaw will understand haha

[potent pivot]

nah

[stoic spruce]

How many people came here asking about the 150% buff to mut?

Those people don't know what they're reading

[potent pivot]

people tried to point it out to whaazz when he was reading the patch notes

"yeah but we don't play trickster we play fatebound"

if they aren't in this disc and pay attention to the pve TC, i doubt anyone realizes how big something like the CC change is

[severe helm]

I think outlaw is on peoples radar

from awc

so people will be watching top players

[potent pivot]

unless they actively go on ptr and test stuff

[severe helm]

like dazed and whaaz

who def know about the changes

so they will just copy

[graceful ravine]

solo shuffle is so deflated geez

no ones even 2300+ yet

[potent pivot]

did u just skip the last 2 minutes?

[severe helm]

yes

I just got home

[severe helm]

yeah he will change

takes one person in chat

to go

"cloud cover is 16% damage for 30s every adr"

[potent pivot]

20s no?

[stoic spruce]

30

[severe helm]

kind of 30

so the cloud lasts 10s

[stoic spruce]

It depends

[severe helm]

the buff from the cloud is anotehr 10

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[severe helm]

and the debuff is 10s

the 3 stacks from the debuff will clear only once you reapply fazed

so an SS after the buff ends will reset it to 1 stack

but if you have ps stacks and stuff you can keep the 3 stack for a little while past

[stoic spruce]

I wonder if hightened increases duration

[potent pivot]

its 20s

10s cloud and 10s lingering buff

[stoic spruce]

It lasts 10 seconds after it leaves

Because it lingers yeah

[rough rock]

FINALLY

[potent pivot]

ah i see what u mean

didn't think of it like that

[rough rock]

gg flark tho

his dps were ass

[potent pivot]

but genuinely

i think most ppl are just clueless

[stoic spruce]

Yeah for sure

[potent pivot]

after all the things i've seen over the last few years

too many people are just ego'd out

[stoic spruce]

Wdym

They think they're too good to do research?

I'll admit I'm the same way with unholy but tbh I'm right about it most of the time

So it does in fact inflate my ego

[potent pivot]

like if they don't "discover it themselves" they just ignore everyone

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah

There's a few like that in here actually

Won't name names tho

[potent pivot]

and once they realize they also try to gatekeep the information

from everyone else

[stoic spruce]

Nvm

[potent pivot]

its just weird behavior idk

[stoic spruce]

These mfers here can't keep a secret

[potent pivot]

i get it in a sense if ur competing in awc u feel a need to keep tech to urself

[stoic spruce]

Yeah for sure, but this isn't that

So they need to stop being stingy

Those people play the weirdest builds btw

"it's good trust me" and it's 6cp CB build

And there's nothing you can do because they're just set in their ways

[rough rock]

tilt queing works

xD

[severe helm]

I'd rather someone do the discovering for me haha

[stoic spruce]

Ye it's so much nicer

Just gimme the build

[rough rock]

i wish i could change the mantle blades color

[vague latch]

posted without context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQhrPcnwnTI

[gusty hedge]

New illusion, new mog time

[hybrid sapphire]

got my sub rogue to 90 now im a really ~~class ~~assa traitor

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[hybrid sapphire]

do i know what pieces i want my haste on?

[rough rock]

yee im waiting for patch tomorrow so i can grab the new t2 purple color

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/says-so-right-here-cora-the-underground-railroad-says-my-brain-its-says-right-here-gif-21565210

[gusty hedge]

new t2 set tomorrow ?!?

[hybrid sapphire]

...where?

[potent pivot]

for the bare minimum breakpoint of ~200 it will be 4set and insignia that gives you the haste

u kinda have to decide how much haste u want

[hybrid sapphire]

cool ty. do the rest matter? if im going for ~650

[potent pivot]

200 haste, rest mast is a bit more burst

but 600-700 haste is way more overall dps

for the 600 haste u will have haste on most pieces

4set, crafted belt/boots with haste/vers

i crafted honor ilvl neck/rings, 2 haste/vers 1 vers/mast iirc

[hybrid sapphire]

ty habibi

yo... when do i use secret technique?

[potent pivot]

With dance bare minimum

You can basically just think of it as a much stronger evis

You kinda want to buff it by as much as possible without delaying it too long

So dance/supercharged, blades if possible ofc

Trickster buffs up if possible

[hybrid sapphire]

is it fair to say i should press it always instead of evis

or?

[potent pivot]

Naw

Gimme a min to get back to my pc

[hybrid sapphire]

wait the tooltip says a 3pt ST does more damage than a 7pt evis... what

[potent pivot]

Ya tech hits hard

[hybrid sapphire]

why would i ever press evis then

[potent pivot]

What

[hybrid sapphire]

oh this shit has a cd

[potent pivot]

Bruh

[hybrid sapphire]

cut me some slack im a baby sub 👼

bro this shit is as faceroll as aff i'll be r1 in no time 😎 😎 😎

[potent pivot]

well

not quite

there's a lot of stuff under the hood you are likely not realizing

Fazed and Flawless Form

and apex talent optimization

[hybrid sapphire]

im just being silly bb

[stoic spruce]

Silly has no business hours

[hybrid sapphire]

not in the rouge dischord certainly

[potent pivot]

explaining the optimizations is harder than performing them ngl

[hybrid sapphire]

what are they

[potent pivot]

the apex optimization requires you to strike again even at max combo points

i don't think its even worth learning until you have a decent grasp of the rest of the spec ngl

[stoic spruce]

You should PvE to learn a spec

[potent pivot]

cuz its only done for specific scenarios

[hybrid sapphire]

thats all ive been doing popo

[gusty hedge]

@rough rock back to back bot teams on blitz crazy tilting cant believe this bs

[vocal surge]

xD

First game of the day

Healer diff

Atleast I got 4-2

[potent pivot]

5+ shadow tech stacks -> strike again to proc apex -> evis (only for supercharged evis tho mainly)

[stoic spruce]

Oof

[potent pivot]

it looks and feels dumb

[stoic spruce]

You'll get there

[vocal surge]

That healer thought I was slowing him for 90%

xD

[hybrid sapphire]

what the... i quit. back to assa

[stoic spruce]

This is why you're the way you are

[hybrid sapphire]

🫦

[stoic spruce]

You got too much quit in ya!

[potent pivot]

glavies?

[vocal surge]

DH Glaive toss

[potent pivot]

i know

glavies sounds more funny

[vocal surge]

oh

Didnt notice the typo

lmao

[pearl bane]

TRICKSTER BOUTA BE BUSTED

[hybrid sapphire]

bro my damage as sub fuckin sucks

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

do u even have gear yet

like the free weps or anything

[hybrid sapphire]

(no but mostly yes)

[vocal surge]

What year is it?

Because im living in the wrong year

[stoic spruce]

My birth year!

https://tenor.com/view/1999-prince-80s-music-tonight-im-gonna-party-singing-gif-17846373

[rough rock]

are all the subs just done running haste? Like the entire leaderboard is not even doing haste

[fathom crag]

depends what bracket you play

shuffle haste, 3v3 with setup classes like mage or ww mastery best imo

otherwise haste better if u dont play with mage or ww

[rough rock]

Even in shuffle they all swapped to mast

[fathom crag]

who is all

[rough rock]

I’m just looking at the top 10

Not a single one is doing haste anymore when just last week it seemed like all of them were

[fathom crag]

both good tbh its w/e u prefer

[rough rock]

I think it’s just because we’re at the point in conq where sub starts crafting everything

That’s just a guess ofc

[vague latch]

so instead of vers haste mast vers?

[fathom crag]

it depends what bracket u playing

[vague latch]

or same as skill capped still

just for shuffle

[fathom crag]

stats are changing depending on what content ur doing

if you play blitz u want full mastery

if u play shuffle u want haste

[vague latch]

ye cause uptime

but ur saying shuffle leaderboards are switching to mastery?

[fathom crag]

he said that ye but i think its troll to play full mastery if you q shuffle

u always gna run these weird comps like fury warrior or stuff like that

haste 10 times better in shuffle 100%

[rough rock]

It’s just kinda wild that most of murlok was running haste just last week

And now it’s full mast

For shuffle lmao

[vague latch]

ye i believe it top guys benefit from that stat profile more than i wil

[rough rock]

100% agree

[fathom crag]

just aids until conquest is uncapped

enventually you have both sets, 1 haste & mastery then u adapt to the content your qing

[hollow carbon]

Doesn’t murlok also just save the logout load out? Could be that they were playing 3v3 or blitz and the logout with mastery instead of haste.

[severe helm]

damn the fuck

[rough rock]

is this for horde

[severe helm]

im ally

[rough rock]

damn wtf i just finished doing my alliance toon 10 mins ago

im doing horde rn

[severe helm]

nvm one popped up lol

[outer sky]

Rollarcoaster of emotions here

[potent pivot]

bleh

[vocal surge]

Im hyped

[potent pivot]

i can't figure out what i want to drop for Sleight

probably HH ig

then it feels like i may as well chuck the 2nd point into KiR

which just feels kinda ass for pvp

[vocal surge]

No Heavy Hitter on Trickster?

[potent pivot]

they aren't running it in pve

the pve build

[vocal surge]

Ah

[potent pivot]

it sounds bad to me too

because like

150% generator crit dmg

[vocal surge]

Surprising Strikes go brrr

Yeeee

[potent pivot]

but i really want Sleight

and if imp bte isn't bugged i'd also like to run it

so its either drop Summarily or drop HH

[vocal surge]

I'd probably drop Ace tbh

with the changes they make

[potent pivot]

wdym

[vocal surge]

Since the proc rate now changes with how many points you invest in it

Its either 0 or 2 for best play on it

[stoic spruce]

20% more procs with 2 ace

There's no way in fresh hell do you play with 0 ace

[vocal surge]

I sometimes like to play without Ruthlessness x)

and No Tea and 1pt Vigor

[stoic spruce]

Lol

You would

X)

[potent pivot]

i think 2 ace is good

might even play charger

instead of van

[stoic spruce]

You can sometimes press ace twice if you're lucky

[potent pivot]

if imp bte worked all the time

[vocal surge]

Ye, but with the changes to Trickster

[potent pivot]

i'd say ace/charger were lock ins

but

[stoic spruce]

I'd say ignore Sleight tbh

I dropped it and haven't noticed anything significant

Anecdotal tho

[potent pivot]

well for some reason trick likes kir a lot

i just don't think its good in pvp ngl

[vocal surge]

I'd rather 20 Zero-In Supercharger BTE (proc Gravedigger) --> Supercharger Coup de Grace --> FTH Pistol Shot --> BTE --> FTH Pistol Shot

to drop a giga nuke on someone

[potent pivot]

encounters usually much shorter for most players

[vocal surge]

Well, theres 2 big things KIR does for Trickster

Extend 3 buff and 4 buff

3 buff + Coup

ugh, words cant explain how much CDR that is on Supercharger

and 4 buff + Surprising Strike? Sheeeesh

[potent pivot]

ye but if u only kir 3-4 u will sometimes just never use it

[stoic spruce]

Idk if that's actually true tbh

I have more 3 or 4 buff uptime than 1 buff

[potent pivot]

it is i'm pretty positive

even in raids

[stoic spruce]

I wonder if they're fishing

[potent pivot]

idk if he means dungeon pull or boss pull here

[stoic spruce]

Probably not fishing since FB is more overall CDR and energy

[potent pivot]

seems more likely that he means a patchwerk sim (5min avg)

[stoic spruce]

That's what I'm thinking

[potent pivot]

ye i kinda think charger is the play

for ladder games

ik they ran double van for awc but

its just a lot more dmg in the end i think

[stoic spruce]

Different animal

Yeah, there's an argument for your comp in 3s but who plays 3s these days

[vocal surge]

I like how the first roll I got after logging in was Jackpot

[potent pivot]

[vocal surge]

xD

[potent pivot]

also apparently they're just cancelling KS in pve

[vocal surge]

When do theyh cancel KS?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah almost instantly

[vocal surge]

I do it at 3 combo points returned

[stoic spruce]

Or when full energy or CP

[stoic spruce]

Oh yeah that rule

God I hate that spell lol

[potent pivot]

luckily we have nothing that increases KS dmg over the length of it or rewards us for fully channeling it right

i hate how they keep giving melee channeled spells

leave that shit on ww only plz

[stoic spruce]

I liked it on fdk thh

Tbh

[potent pivot]

they've given outlaw, arms, and surv channeled spells now

[vocal surge]

imo, my issue with Killing Spree

[potent pivot]

they gave frost one too?

[vocal surge]

the damage is all front loaded

[stoic spruce]

On the beta

[vocal surge]

at the very start of the cast

thats where you get the most value from it in a GCD

[potent pivot]

bro who the FUCK asked for all the channels on melee

[vocal surge]

rather than making it go higher the longer you cast

[potent pivot]

no one likes this shit

[stoic spruce]

A lot when empowered spells were announced lol

I remember everyone was wanting some of that because it was new and shiny

[potent pivot]

i lowkey hate those too

[vocal surge]

x)

[potent pivot]

channels/empowereds all feel clunky as fuck to me idk

[stoic spruce]

Empowers never have good trade-offs ever

[potent pivot]

at least they make sense on ranged specs

[stoic spruce]

Bdk

[potent pivot]

but like

channels/empowers always bring in the added optimization

of ending them early

which just always feels giga clunky

[vocal surge]

Evokers having the most channels xD

[stoic spruce]

Melee hasn't had that with theirs ye

[potent pivot]

huh

[stoic spruce]

Like

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

The optimizations arent really there in the sense that they don't really mean a whole lot or you're ONLY pressing it at a certain stage. I'm terrible at explaining things but this is what it seems like to me.

Granted the only empowered spell I use is Consumption

[stoic spruce]

I saw these and it was making me crack up

[potent pivot]

oh you meant empowered

[stoic spruce]

Ye

[potent pivot]

thought u meant channels also

[stoic spruce]

Channels suck too

[potent pivot]

cuz there's been a shitload of times where cancelling FoF and other channels was optimal

[stoic spruce]

Yeah which is crazy because you'd think pressing an ability that forces loss of ultimate control of your character you'd want it to fully channel

Like some massive payout for it completing

[potent pivot]

yeah

they always seem to do something to FoF to give it that payout

after months of complaints usually

[stoic spruce]

I bet that's nice

[potent pivot]

for some reason they're actually getting rid of this on today's patch

a lot of people weren't even running it in pvp due to it scaling off crit

[stoic spruce]

What's replacing it then

Just more dam?

Also lol crit stacking in pvp

[potent pivot]

there's also this one

[potent pivot]

more zenith stomps that do actual dmg

[stoic spruce]

Oh look at that, the physical dmg spec dealing magic

[potent pivot]

those are going to hit for nearly 100k each i think

SoTW is 1008%+504% attack power

and can hit for like 130-140k

so now their pop is likely going to be stomp->sotw->stomp with some RSKs mixed in there

[stoic spruce]

Shock to absolutely no one btw

[potent pivot]

kinda crazy how MIDNIGHT has turned into MoP2

brew is big in keys

mw/ww are op in pvp

mw op in raid

etc etc

[stoic spruce]

Monk supremacy + infinite CCs

Idk anyone who names a MoP tier as their favorite season for pvp

[potent pivot]

really

i think a lot of the ppl that played back then call back to mop as being one of the best expansions for class design

[stoic spruce]

I hear that too but never in the context of pvp

But they ate them raids up

[potent pivot]

i think one of the main ones i've heard say that are like sodapoppin n shit

i don't think a lot of those ppl have rly pvped since back then though

[stoic spruce]

Yeah there's a lot of parroting that goes on

[potent pivot]

CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZ2mBjZYmtZmZmZMmtFjZmtptBbzAAAAAAssMmBzMmZMzMGAAAAzYGAGzihhMwsxCtwGDwMDmBD

i think this is looking like the first build to try out after reset

[stoic spruce]

I don't have fond memories of it personally

[molten hedge]

Idk if it’s still a thing but some devs use to clip their disins bc it was more burst

[potent pivot]

ye i remember

[molten hedge]

They had so much W keys they just spammed it

[stoic spruce]

Yeah it's a good place to start, what happened to DP?

[potent pivot]

i don't think i ever put it in my original pinned build

CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgZ2mBAAAAAmtxMLTMLLzMmZMDMzMzsMmtxMzssNMmZmxAmxAAAAwwMAGzihBGY20CtYDzAmZwMzA

this is gonna be the sub build to try on reset

if we had a way to guarantee a goremaw's crit

[stoic spruce]

Well

You HAD a way

[potent pivot]

ya

they changed rotten for whatever fuckin reason

[stoic spruce]

They knew it'd make you specifically upset

That is crazy though

Wild time to be a rogue

[molten hedge]

Oh fr?

How

[stoic spruce]

I may have coped so hard that I unironically believe that we're just unfinished is all

[potent pivot]

i mean in midnight beta

[molten hedge]

Ohh ok

[potent pivot]

it used to guarantee your next 2 builders would crit as well as the 35% dmg

now it just has the dmg inc

for w/e dumb reason

so one shotting with the new build on reset

is crit dependent

[molten hedge]

[stoic spruce]

I can't explain

But

It just feels right

Iykwim

One of the work trucks at the plant in work security for had an oil leak and I gotta write an "environmental hazard" report and explain why I didn't notice it when the truck drove pass my office.

[potent pivot]

going to set up an all crit rogue brb

fuck mastery

[stoic spruce]

Trickz, how am I suppose to spot an oil leak from 15 feet away at night

[stoic spruce]

Do eet

[potent pivot]

lol wut

[stoic spruce]

I had the same reaction de

Dw

[potent pivot]

how bad was this leak exactly

and from where

cuz if it was from under the trucks engine

lmao

[stoic spruce]

It's a good 150 or so feet, it was pouring as they were driving

[potent pivot]

yea but like

were they hauling oil

[stoic spruce]

Naw it came from the engine

[potent pivot]

yea

then

lmao

[stoic spruce]

Yeah they fuuucked up the truck

[potent pivot]

not going to see that unless you get on the ground next to the truck

[stoic spruce]

Imma tell them that

I only work at the plant, not for the plant. Big diff

Oh well, just thought that was funny

[potent pivot]

ye kinda surprised u even have to write anything

[stoic spruce]

Me too tbh, EPA doesn't play around ig

There's like 10 different people that have to write one as well. RiP the admin workers

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot I haven’t looked yet but I assume new trickster rotation is in outlaw faq rotation section?

[stoic spruce]

Yeah all that is there

[potent pivot]

idk if the faq is updated yet or not

[stoic spruce]

Pretty sure solo updated it

[potent pivot]

but there's not much difference anyway

all finishers are 6+ now

[molten hedge]

Is KS during ADR just prio over BR?

[potent pivot]

also you are on my shit list

fotm reroller

[molten hedge]

What’d I do

[potent pivot]

[wanton breach]

[molten hedge]

I’m playing allll 3 rog specs

Have 4 rogues

[stoic spruce]

Actually I don't think Solo updated the FaQ yet

[potent pivot]

you can cancel KS

to not overcap energy/cp

[stoic spruce]

Typically before

But ever since prep that may have changed

[potent pivot]

you don't worry about prepping KS at all

[stoic spruce]

I mean like, between adr casts or whatever

[stoic spruce]

And cloud cover

[potent pivot]

BR > BTE > KS

pretty sure

its all in the pins of #outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Oh nice

I'm completely down for ignoring KS any chance I get

[potent pivot]

the ADR+RTB+SnD while stealthed doesn't make as much sense to me

doesn't ADR tick down in stealth now or

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

The difference miniscule

[potent pivot]

i guess you do it anyway if running charger

which i think you should run now

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that's the thought behind it

[potent pivot]

#pvp message i posted this earlier @molten hedge

[stoic spruce]

That first SC goes to Ace

In case it wasn't clear

Or BtE rather for the ace

I like it tbh

[vocal surge]

Anyone else feel like Touch of Death ignores Evasionnow?

[potent pivot]

they can touch you from behind

[stoic spruce]

Crazy how there's somehow less going on with outlaw after reset

[vocal surge]

It isn't from behind

Every Touch of Death death I've had, I've been facing the monk

with Evasion up

[potent pivot]

cannot be dodged

[stoic spruce]

They didn't tell you this but Monk has shadow step now

[potent pivot]

wtf is the orb btw

[stoic spruce]

I ask a question in discord and someone always tells me to Google it and I called discord my Orb so when I'm asking a question I'm pondering the orb

And if they don't like it I tell them theyre in my orb and it makes them mad for some reason

[vocal surge]

That blows xD

[spring bough]

Trickster rogues have returned

[marble oasis]

it never left for the real spec

[fathom crag]

so we using that fake bomb to do damage now or what

[potent pivot]

ye

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-dumbo-drinking-water-t1-drinking-dumbo-drinking-water-gif-5833717593105737590

[potent pivot]

its kinda disgusting

[grave basin]

Lol whats the context of this

[stoic spruce]

Hes an actor that some CS2 team paid to be dramatic when they lose/win

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787

[spring bough]

Yeah 10% Inc lmaooo

Gotta do some trickery where u dip back into the smoke right before it expires to reset stack duration

[fathom crag]

so ppl just gna choke their trinket for a week

[dark kernel]

I forgot to buy my conquest gear this past week

[spring bough]

It’s funny that cloud cover the same animation as smoke bomb

Gonna trick people at first lol

[fathom crag]

everyones gna troll their trinket 100%

[spring bough]

At least we don’t have to stand in cloud cover for the full duration. Just hit a flurry of the first drop and dip back into it a second before it disappears with another flurry to reset stacks

[grave basin]

this app is cool

death log

[spring bough]

KIR for trickster back to only 3+ rolls lol

[potent pivot]

arena logs?

[grave basin]

ye

wow arena logs

[potent pivot]

unfortunately WCL is just way more in depth

[grave basin]

i got a devourer frost mage hunter match on my ww

[potent pivot]

might be decent to use both tbh

[grave basin]

wanted to kill myself (in game)

[potent pivot]

but arena logs just looks so weird

[potent pivot]

like wtf is all this

[grave basin]

time line

i got 56 -0d

[potent pivot]

i never liked that weird vertical table

on arena logs

WCL feels way more intuitive to me ig

[grave basin]

how do you upload wcl logs from shuffle?

[potent pivot]

do u have the program

to log

u just upload a custom log iirc

[grave basin]

for wow arena logs or wcl?

ive never used wcl ever

[potent pivot]

wcl

[gleaming sentinel]

Not even worth for PvP imo

[potent pivot]

you can install Archon through the WCL website or use something through Overwolf(usually comes with curseforge) i guess

it used to be called something else, i guess they switched it to Archon

[grave basin]

feels pretty bad that the specs i wanna play in m+ are shit in shuffle and vice versa

unless im a mage ofc

or ret

[potent pivot]

i'm not 100% how it all works

but trill said its possible to log arenas to wcl the other day

so i believe

[potent pivot]

I think rogue is bout to be a lil better in keys

But honestly u can play any spec in the game in keys

Ppl meta farm too much

[grave basin]

i cba to even apply for keys anymore, i just post my own key

if it bricks it bricks go next

beats sitting in silvermoon being spam declined

cause i wanna q on my ww and no one wants that shit

[potent pivot]

That’s what u gotta do yeah

[gleaming sentinel]

After getting 3k I get invited pretty quick now

[potent pivot]

If u aren’t one of the TWO meta dps specs

[gleaming sentinel]

But I haven’t tried going higher

[grave basin]

it's even worse cause BrM is meta

[potent pivot]

Aug is a cancer

[grave basin]

so now you really cant q as ww

[gleaming sentinel]

Delete Aug

[grave basin]

Delete Aug

[potent pivot]

Delete Aug

[grave basin]

tbf devoker is ass cancer is shuffle too as melee

in*

[potent pivot]

Whaazz played Aug yday I think

That spec is so weird in pvp

It’s almost like a tank spec where it doesn’t have a real place in pvp

[grave basin]

is aug stilla cheese spec in midnight

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

[grave basin]

just a dragon frost dk

[potent pivot]

It does a little bit of dmg itself

But didn’t look like it had its own one shot line up like it did in TWW

Doesn’t really seem like it’s worth running in any comps rn

But idk how any of that simp stuff works it all seems very convoluted

[grave basin]

aug was a big mistake

just delete the spec and move on imo im p sure most people would be happy

but idk if blizzard's ego could handle it

[potent pivot]

Except… you know

The… Aug mains

[grave basin]

all 12 of them can cry

[gleaming sentinel]

Make it a tank spec

[spring bough]

KIR??

It been great with fatebound

Surprisingly KIR a lot of 3 or 4 rolls

[grave basin]

unholy is so piss rn

and it's even getting nerfed next patch you cannot make this shit up

[stoic spruce]

Ye

Moreso after reset

Wcyd

[grave basin]

is that zac lite

[stoic spruce]

Who

Whim

Whom

[grave basin]

how does the dk dev think

we wanna press DnD

like who's making these changes

wasnt it universally applauded that DnD wasnt part of the rotation anymore?

[stoic spruce]

Yes

Unfortunately blizz doesn't care about that

[potent pivot]

stop changing ur pfp and name every 5min plz ok ty

[potent pivot]

where's sub guys?

almost like i called it being Bot tier

still doms law on ladder tho

[fathom crag]

subs trash in shuffle tbh

[potent pivot]

its about to be rly good

in 8hr

[harsh kiln]

with the new smoke?

[potent pivot]

ye

callin it rn

[harsh kiln]

i'll hold you to it

[potent pivot]

get ready for all the crybabies to come out the woodwork again

[stoic spruce]

The joke died

[fathom crag]

they need to change the visual tho

[stoic spruce]

And this pfp rocks

[fathom crag]

bit op its same visual as bomb

[stoic spruce]

Trimaz

[potent pivot]

its a bit diff

[stoic spruce]

Rate my pfp

[potent pivot]

its bigger

and color is a bit diff iirc

but either way

most ppl are gonna trade on ur blades anyway

[spring bough]

Most people not gonna tell a difference lol

[potent pivot]

they will learn

[spring bough]

There’s like a slight red hue but depending on graphics settings people won’t notice it

[potent pivot]

lol

they can track CDs but not kicks

thats hilarious

[stoic spruce]

Exhausting atp

[dark moon]

At this point just return the api pre-midnight patch

Like people doing 20 stopwatches in an addon to track cds trying to gather a drop of api feels postapocalyptic

[jaunty osprey]

Not listed as important xd

Only things that bigdebuffs / ingame bigdebuffs can track

[potent pivot]

a lot of shit isn't

[jaunty osprey]

are on the omnibar

[potent pivot]

Zenith isn't

kek

[stoic spruce]

And it's possible it's not accurate

[spring bough]

The fact they allow private addons after nixing all this shit is fucking wild

Like if blizz was on this addon cleanse you say no to every private addon request even the world first raid guys one for they memory game

[jaunty osprey]

Well they realized their raid wasn’t doable with custom addons/timers

[dark moon]

That's what im saying. There are addons that work out of combat, but not in, as the "what happened to me" is readable in the combat log and not trackable incombat by addons. I cannot see my dmg brrakdown on the stupid dmg meter, only the total amout of dmg my spells do

[grave basin]

zenith gonna be listed as imp Cds next patch

it's over

[dark moon]

Feels like absolute garbage

[potent pivot]

is it

[spring bough]

I get that but they put this red line down and then let everyone go over it. So funny to me lol

[grave basin]

apparantly stomping loud into the ground + teal pixels + losing 50% of your hp wasnt a good enough indicator

[grave basin]

yeeeee