pvp

[jaunty osprey]

the stats stay the same, but the effect gets updated

[compact moat]

awesome

[potent pivot]

wait

u r old

[stoic spruce]

Waiting

[jaunty osprey]

im only 31

[stoic spruce]

Ooooooo

[compact moat]

how do you get that currency btw

[potent pivot]

only 31

[compact moat]

so far i only have 2

[stoic spruce]

🦖

[jaunty osprey]

you get another one next week

[abstract stratus]

have you used myslot before? good for setting up alts macros and bars to clone a dif character

[jaunty osprey]

and then you get one for hitting 1600 in pvp!

[potent pivot]

hit 1.6k rating

[jaunty osprey]

yes

i always use myslot

[abstract stratus]

not enough people know about that addon

[jaunty osprey]

i always disable macro though

[abstract stratus]

has saved my sanity

[jaunty osprey]

importing macros always fucky

sometimes it doubles up

on the macros

and makes my macro list crazy

[potent pivot]

all my rogue macros are on global section anyway

[abstract stratus]

i have all my abilities on @target macros to stop retarget from feign death and meld

[jaunty osprey]

i copy the macros in the wow savedvariables folder

[potent pivot]

i put alt macros on the char specific

[abstract stratus]

oh yea ive never gone in there lolol

[jaunty osprey]

ah

i have too many macros

[abstract stratus]

i sent kb into a hunter pet once and decided i didnt like that lol

[jaunty osprey]

ive done that quite a few times

LOL

oh well, back to #1 and #2 assa after sitting rating for a few weeks

[abstract stratus]

this happened in a 2300 game tww season 1 and i was LIVID

oh word show em whose boss

[wet parcel]

Should I level another rogue to play outlaw or just steal my mom’s credit card and buy a boost?

[abstract stratus]

never buy a boost

not worth

level a toon in like 5 hours

Is switching from curse to wago worth?

any reason to run both?

[jaunty osprey]

yes

some addons are only uploaded on 1 of the platforms

[abstract stratus]

curse says all my addons are up to date but wago is saying they need to be updated

[rough rock]

:D

shout out to blade flurry padding my damage

[hybrid sapphire]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[odd yew]

I have been hit with penance twice through walls today, not channeled then los just hit through Nagrand pillar and Lordaeron coffin is something up or am I just insane?

[rough rock]

im sure these guys arent doing anything weird

[jaunty osprey]

W

[molten hedge]

Have u seen fucking pherix’s? Bro I stg he a grampa

[spring bough]

Just a couple dudes chillin

[empty fable]

Anyone know if you can win Catalyst charges in PvP matches? (after completing your 4-set)

[gusty hedge]

rated yea, its all rng

[dark moon]

Have you guys seen omnivore's blitz guide? Is it any good for a the newbie player?

[potent pivot]

i haven't seen it but i imagine its the best thing out there

not many people are making blitz guides

flarkness made one a long time ago

but it was pretty basic

[spring bough]

“How to play objectives” for no one to do that 😂

Only 32 outlaws above 1800 in shuffle… need more of yall to ditch sub

[dark kernel]

There was a post this morning bitching about post AWC tuning and for all the classes they could have pinpointed complaints for. They chose the class and spec that didn't end up winning either region.

Yup, we need Outlaw nerfs

I have yet to see a single outlaw even in game yet this season Lmao

[spring bough]

I better not see outlaw on the next PvP tuning notes

It’s perfect right where it is now lol

[gleaming sentinel]

There are dozens of us

Dozen* there are a dozen

[spring bough]

I had back to back blitz games yesterday and had 5 outlaws between them 😂

[dark kernel]

What the fuck

Bring back 5v5. 3 outlaw 2 rdruid

[spring bough]

One game was 2 v 2 outlaws 😂

[dark kernel]

I get my first Mythic track item today

It's insane they made 1-9 m+ dungeons gear for Veteran-Hero, then mythic takes up 10-18 keys

What a disparity

[potent pivot]

and the reason you won't realize there's more outlaws because of fotm rerollers is because they won't pass 1800

[spring bough]

Kinda sad it’s so ez rn lol

Also weird outlaw is a FOTM cause of AWC

[willow valley]

is this better than ferocity badge?

[spring bough]

For what spec? Sub?

[potent pivot]

yes

[potent pivot]

insignia is just better for every spec rn really

the only exception being if you mainly play blitz as sub

[spring bough]

Everyone likes haste now 😂

[abstract stratus]

anti big badge kb propaganda

[spring bough]

Trickz saving all the one shots for himself

[molten hedge]

I got to 1800 yday. I’m an outlaw main now 💀 😉

[spring bough]

Time to mog some thunderfurys then you outlaw for life

[molten hedge]

I have the legion ones mogged

lol

[spring bough]

Ayyyy that still counts

Rock em w the galaxy illusion aent nothing better right now

[dark kernel]

I still need a legacy thunderfury

[potent pivot]

like the og ones?

i need to get them again too

[dark kernel]

Yeh I have one binding but I don't really try

[potent pivot]

how long does it usually take idr

[dark kernel]

I use the cata daggers atm

[dark kernel]

Ehh it's timely because you have to farm both bindings on a single character. I'm wondering if you can warband transfer them tho

4% drop each I think?

If you could farm the bindings on any character and transfer them with war band it wouldn't be bad at all but I don't know if you can do that

[molten hedge]

What do they look like? I thought there was only the legion ones and the ones by stormwind

[spring bough]

If u get lucky u can get both on the same run and finish the quest right after lol

[spring bough]

It’s massive compared to the legion TF

[proven kayak]

do we get flux for catalyst this week ?

[spring bough]

Yes

[potent pivot]

you can mog them on any character too

unlike the mf warglaives for some reason

[spring bough]

Galaxy looks so good on these

[potent pivot]

i have to go back and finish getting those on this acc too

[potent pivot]

not being able to enchant legion thunderfuries is just strange

when you can enchant the originals

[spring bough]

You can

Just need to illusion base wep then mog the TF legion one and it works

[potent pivot]

you can't

[spring bough]

I did it yesterday lmao

It worked

[potent pivot]

with a bug ..............

[spring bough]

It’s always been like that

[potent pivot]

they've fixed it before

[grave basin]

fun police?

[spring bough]

Idk it’s working like that now lol

[potent pivot]

it should just be allowed from the get go

[grave basin]

what about B O W S

[potent pivot]

shouldn't have to use a bug that'll just get fixed eventually

[spring bough]

Bugs been like that since dragon flight lol

[dark kernel]

I'm sorry. That quest chain is still fucking ass

[grave basin]

seems to work

[dark kernel]

I never want to see dragon soul again

[potent pivot]

not from what i remember no

its been fixed a few times since SL

the recent transmog system changes brought it back

[dark kernel]

I HATE the new outfit ststem

[potent pivot]

real

[dark kernel]

It bugs the fuck out and overides a mog I have when just scrolling through my templates

[spring bough]

It’s buggy. Sometimes my weapons for diff preset outfits revert somehow

[dark kernel]

It bugs on legendary weps CONSTSNTLY

[potent pivot]

i hate clearing that raid just because of the fight on the dragon's back

armory also rarely shows ur wep mog

[grave basin]

aamen

[spring bough]

Getting those daggers was so ass

[proven kayak]

thanks

fr

[spring bough]

Only legos I don’t have is shadowmourne and the DF Lego axe

Still gotta do that wrath quest line

[potent pivot]

god i have to get the df axe too i cba

[abstract stratus]

i still want shadowmourne so bad

[spring bough]

How long did that shadowmourne quest line take u

[dark kernel]

Don't worry it's so small it looks terrible

[grave basin]

5-6 weeks iirc

[abstract stratus]

gnome warrior makes all weapons big

[dark kernel]

The worst issue is how models hold shadowmourne

They hold the axe at the neck of the weapon

It's so dumb

[potent pivot]

most weapon holding in the game is so scuffed

a lot of weps should be held lower and have the tops pointed down when you hold them out

[grave basin]

after the blood queen part you just farm icc on heroic once a week

[potent pivot]

but you just hold every weapon in the middle fully horizontal 🤡

[dark kernel]

This is the biggest crime

[abstract stratus]

i need the bloodqueen and the plague part i think still

[grave basin]

4 mins till vault

need hero chest/helm

[stoic spruce]

Crazy how little this aged

[grave basin]

also this is insane value

worm people have never had it easier to get full hero

[dark kernel]

It was made with ENOUGH care that the model meshes well enough with modern gear

[potent pivot]

how long does it take to get the DF axe

[grave basin]

bruh

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't emphasize enough, blizz loved their game back then

Now idk what their deal is

[grave basin]

back then it was "ready when ready"

[dark kernel]

Did you watch the Jeff Kaplan interview

[grave basin]

and Soontm

[dark kernel]

He explicitly says what happened

[grave basin]

now it's ship it and fix it

[gleaming sentinel]

I do

[stoic spruce]

No you don't

[potent pivot]

any1?

[gleaming sentinel]

(I don’t)

[stoic spruce]

What did he say

[stoic spruce]

We have good ideas tho

[dark kernel]

Kaplan said abridged "we fucked up project titan and Activision lost faith in us and replaced every lead manager"

[grave basin]

do you already have the base axe

[potent pivot]

prolly not

[stoic spruce]

Gosh dang when did this happen

[dark kernel]

Circa MoP

They had been working on Titan for 10 years and spent 100million and had no working game

[potent pivot]

u should watch that interview fr

[gleaming sentinel]

It was very clear that the message was “we need to be profitable or you’re fired”

That has let to all these player metric based “content” things

[potent pivot]

very eye opening

[stoic spruce]

I will rn

What do I look up

[grave basin]

it's a raising drop chance per greater ember

[dark kernel]

Its uhhh

[grave basin]

tilli think 14? weeks then you get it 100%

but youll most likely get it way before

[dark kernel]

It's Jeff Kaplan and Lex Fridman

The entire interview is 5 HOURS

[dark kernel]

Yeah it was heartbreaking a bit

[stoic spruce]

Jeff has a new game out

[grave basin]

they both dropped

[grave basin]

[spring bough]

Just gotta get a lucky drop

[potent pivot]

x.x

is that raid solo-able now

i assume it can be gotten from any/all difficulties?

like i can farm lfr/norm/hero etc for it?

[spring bough]

Normal should be soloable

[grave basin]

heroic drops greater embers

lesser embers are piss

[potent pivot]

ic

[abstract stratus]

yea im on unholy infusion for shadowmor

cant tell me that gnome doesnt WERK THAT

[jolly sierra]

that look like a fucking tin soldier

[abstract stratus]

hater

[jolly sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-movie-kick-the-beaver-flying-out-the-window-angry-youll-regret-that-gif-11624875

[spring bough]

https://x.com/bicmex/status/2044070851104977408?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Bicmex (@bicmex)

first shuffle 2.4 🥳

X · Apr 14, 2026, 3:10 PM

@grave basin

[grave basin]

the fucking goat

[spring bough]

Crazy that 1 is just barely 2400

[grave basin]

slowly getting there

i lvl going up

think i can get 27x ilvl this week

[spring bough]

Pack leader?

[potent pivot]

bruh

what the fuck is that mog

surv also gets to mog daggers to swords?

wtfffffffffffffff

even surv gets to mog TF now i am

[wise breach]

We can mog daggers to swords too though?

[severe helm]

yes

but we arent special

[stoic spruce]

But we aren't hunters

[potent pivot]

you don't think its weird seeing a hunter mog swords?

i'm not saying its a bad thing

but quite the brainfuck seeing it

[wise breach]

Everything is a hunter weapon 🙂

[potent pivot]

they should only get bows/xbows/guns

no enchants allowed

[severe helm]

lol

[wise breach]

Tbh it always bugged me when playing hunter that you couldn't apply illusions to bows

I get it, but it feels bad

[potent pivot]

ye its weird

i don't see how a bow having an illusion would be bad

lot of other games have enchanted bows n shit

[spring bough]

Knowing blizz it would break the game somehow

20 year old code they don’t understand anymore type stuff 😂

[warped gate]

Yo, can you finish the PvP Brawl this week?

[gleaming pawn]

It’s a whole lot of work having to go through each model mesh for the ranged weapons and anchoring where the glow effects would go and make sense

[warped gate]

It's Ashran and the point is it never ends.

[gleaming pawn]

It’s a lazy / manpower issue

[spring bough]

I kinda like and hate the new changes that’s coming for the one hander sheathe position

Just diminishes going after weps that only back sheathe cause now everything will be able to be like that

[gleaming pawn]

There was only a handful anyway, generally really boring models

So being able to have a sword back sheath of any kind and your dagger at your waist will be peak mog content

Now if only they would make daggers that actually matched or complimented swords of the same tier

[dark moon]

i am mogging double thunderfury on the hips to piss everyone the fuck off

[spring bough]

That’s a sin. Should be the only weps u can’t do that with 😂

[dark moon]

gonna do it with the assa artifact daggers as well, i want to make people mad so they whisper me 😄

[severe helm]

prob art team couldnt decide how they wanted it to apply

[dark moon]

that doesnt stop them making shit illusions for other weapons

cause the application for illusions in DF/TWW and now is kinda all over the place

[stoic spruce]

Take unholy weapon enchant and apply it to a bow

How would that look

Or current pvp enchant

Not every race holds bows the same

Some sideways, some at an angle, some straight

Or like some of the SL cov enchants

That needs a starting point and kind of tindrals out to the end of the weapon

Keep them off, not worth the time

[dark kernel]

Back in Mists you could put illusions on bows

I'm 99% sure

[stoic spruce]

This interview is really good

A lot of perspective to be gained

[spring bough]

Sounds like life

[warped gate]

Holy shit, this is literally the first all season I've seen:

[jaunty osprey]

AI is getting too good nowadays

[spring bough]

By the end of next year we won’t be able to distinguish it from real videos lol

[molten hedge]

For any of you Outlaws wondering why u can’t break past 1400

[spring bough]

What’s the reason lol

Me and Whazz twins

[gusty hedge]

only thing i can make out is double AR the rest is gibberish

[spring bough]

Double vanish healing is actually OP not gonna lie

[severe helm]

I feel like the healing is whatever

[warped gate]

I used it and it was lit, but I felt that lack of power too, ngl.

[severe helm]

its just another stun

supercharer doesnt matter really

since bte is so bugged

[warped gate]

I tried to drop Prep and went those Ambush talents to play like it's TWW again, but I just couldn't go back.

[severe helm]

thats super troll yeah

ambush talents suck ass

[rough rock]

#fuckambush

[spring bough]

Saved my life a few times when I hear that shaman bloodlust and other dps popping CDs lol

[severe helm]

the vanish yeah

the healing is piss

[warped gate]

Is it?

[severe helm]

the total healing over the duration is like 1/5 of one rsk

[spring bough]

I’m doing like 2 mil healing every solo shuffle lobby. Seems decent

[severe helm]

ye the crit damage bonus is broken

[spring bough]

I am playing the crimson talents too tho

[severe helm]

???

its 30% of your max hp

youd have to vanish 10 times

to get 2 mil

or more actually lol

[spring bough]

Not the vanish healing. Overall

[severe helm]

yeah the vanish healing is probably 10% of your healing

at most

[spring bough]

Crimson vial always my top healer

[severe helm]

lol

vial is big yeah

[molten hedge]

@spring bough he said he was massaging the mage 😭

[spring bough]

Bodymasage

[rough rock]

Finally back in 1900 blitz mmr

The games feel real

There’s also a surprisingly amount of people that sit LH and don’t trinket when I sap/cap

[abstract stratus]

blitz players might not know about trinket

[rough rock]

True

[spring bough]

I sapped capped a paladin the other day. Sitting there like

[abstract stratus]

also allot of blitz players are so adhd that they scroll tiktok while sitting

[potent pivot]

u running 4p right

[spring bough]

Not yet but when I get home yes

[gusty hedge]

if they trinket sap they deserve to lose lol

[potent pivot]

i think outlaw 4p is so giga worth

for ladder

[spring bough]

Going all set except for helm and doing haste/verse helm

[potent pivot]

ngl

[rough rock]

bro if you lose LH off rip its gg

[spring bough]

Buying and converting gloves for four piece when I get home can’t wait

Gonna do giga more dmg

[potent pivot]

BR does good dmg

so less CD and it giving u a dmg buff

[spring bough]

[gusty hedge]

nah but pretty much odds stacked, wouldnt trinket a sap to safe my life lol

[potent pivot]

seems so no-brainer

[spring bough]

Lil less verse aent gonna hurt

Can always drop flickering for verse talent if it feels bad

[rough rock]

Im crafting the vers helmet today

600k hp outlaw on the way

[molten hedge]

Why didn’t they play it in AWC

[spring bough]

I’m tryna sit 21% haste minimum. Had to change gems/enchants the other day to get back to it 😭

[rough rock]

4 set stats just so bad i dont like how much mastery it forces

[spring bough]

Cause they can’t cook like we can in this channel

[rough rock]

and isnt the cooldown nerfed in pvp anyways?

[spring bough]

It’s not too bad

[potent pivot]

because they are noobs

they have to play to live in awc

giga vers, every tanky talent possible, etc

[molten hedge]

My blade rushes arent hitting super hard. Ik in AWC they hit super hard. There’s nothing you can do to make it hit harder right? Besides AR

and RNG with rolls

[potent pivot]

thats not how you have to play ladder

[spring bough]

AR and RNG crits lol

2 set buffs rush dmg too right?

[molten hedge]

Gotcha

[potent pivot]

ya a lot

[molten hedge]

Yeah it’s like 30% so what is it in pvp 50 or 66 percent of that

[spring bough]

Sb 15% Inc for PvP

[molten hedge]

And an additional percentage of added dam

[spring bough]

3% Inc dmg with 4 set

[potent pivot]

its .5 and .4 in pvp

[spring bough]

I’m amped to play some outlaw later

[molten hedge]

Same

[spring bough]

Work can’t end fast enough

[potent pivot]

might be 5%

[rough rock]

only other thing is blade flurry making it hit harder on non primary targets

[potent pivot]

nvm its 3

[rough rock]

how many seconds

[spring bough]

5 before PvP nerf 😭

[potent pivot]

ya i thought it wasn't nerfed for a sec

cuz of this pvp mod

[rough rock]

so it drops to a 3 second cooldown reduction

[spring bough]

Not bad not bad

[potent pivot]

but its because the buff itself has its own aura

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

3.something

[rough rock]

lol

[spring bough]

I dropped KIR last night. Went back to 2/2 dispatcher and back to imp BTE. Was chunking people even with 1 rolls lol

[potent pivot]

all the pvp mods on it are .6 i think so 3.6sec?

[molten hedge]

You want to send dispatch at 5 minimum but for BTE 6 or 7?

[potent pivot]

no nvm

[spring bough]

Sounds right

[potent pivot]

the cdr is .5

[spring bough]

Yes

[potent pivot]

so 3 ye

[rough rock]

i mean i guess thats like 1 less RB finisher

[potent pivot]

pretty sure in pve all finishers are 6+

[spring bough]

If I land on 5 CPs I’m probably sending dispatch 9/10 times

[potent pivot]

no 5 combo point finishers

[molten hedge]

Oh interesting

I feel like it’s always 5

So it’d be another SS

[potent pivot]

it feels bad because you end up on 5 a lot from opp procs

[molten hedge]

YEAH

caps lol

[potent pivot]

but thats how it breaks down in pve for sure, you generate again

obviously thats situational in pvp

but yea

[molten hedge]

I fucked around with killing spree ln just bc it’s fun to press. Damage is pretty shit tho

[rough rock]

they really need to fix the gravedigger counter

so stupid how that is okay in any way

[spring bough]

Usually open with dispatch to get a SND up

[potent pivot]

sorry have you seen the implacable counter????

[spring bough]

If ur playing trickster that’s when u only do 6+ for finishers

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

I wish trickster would be good

[potent pivot]

there's a lil more to it

[spring bough]

Not reading all that still sending 5cp dispatches it works lmaooo

[rough rock]

no lmao

[potent pivot]

yeah because it just DISAPPEARS

[rough rock]

i just dont get why it max stops at 10 instead of 12

and has two serperate counters

thats just stupid

Vibe coding devs

[potent pivot]

womp womp

[rough rock]

multimillion dollar company cant figure out code breaks

[spring bough]

“Expected gain 1%” yeah no thanks

[rough rock]

i need to learn to track coins more often

[spring bough]

No reason to even track coins tbh

[rough rock]

ive had a few times where my bte stacks and coin stacks and someone just rolls over and im like "huh thats cool"

true gamba

[spring bough]

I don’t even track zero in to optimize it 😭

[stoic spruce]

I track palmed bullets because that and only that is a projectile so there's a bit of delay

[spring bough]

🤷‍♂️

[static holly]

Do we go full mastery as sub for blitz? And only 2set or later 4set bonus?

[warped gate]

It's wild how they flavor pack so much Haste into the Honor gear, and you gotta figure out how to get that much Haste again as you lose it with Conquest.

I'm cheating by using the Honor Haste and Conquest Haste ring, but when I upgrade the Honor one, it's gonna be Unique-Equipped and I gotta figure out how to make up the difference.

[spring bough]

Craft?

[warped gate]

Yeah, I'm prolly gonna have to go that route, but that means giving up one of those pieces that has BIIIIIG dick Versatility, and just a smiiiiidge of Haste.

[dark kernel]

This is the way to do it

[warped gate]

Fuck Thanos, I don't want balance.

[dark kernel]

Do you know what I track on Sub?

Fucking nothing

I do damage

[warped gate]

A shame you gotta deal with such ugly stats on tier.

[dark kernel]

Sometimes I dont

[spring bough]

I’d just focus on getting about 21% haste then do w/e with the rest. Just get as much verse as u can after that

I’m only rocking 22 verse barely

[warped gate]

I greeded with the Engineering Helm and Bracers to get a fuckton of Vers.

I'm at 28 right now.

[potent pivot]

think 4 set is worth for all brackets

and there isn't really a "full mastery" sub anymore

[spring bough]

Trickz are u playing outlaw or sub

[potent pivot]

bare minimum you go 200 haste even for blitz

but for blitz u run badge trinket instead of insig

[potent pivot]

sub why

[spring bough]

Smh wrong spec. Outlaw >>>>

[potent pivot]

na

[slim pebble]

as sub in blitz am i ok with 680 haste and 260 mastery? or i went too far?

[potent pivot]

you'll be fine but 200 haste prob a bit better for blitz specifically

[slim pebble]

gah...gonna start recrafting

[stoic spruce]

I took the ring with the training quests

I think that's also honor ilvl though

Though I don't think the ilvl diff on one ring is that massive when everything else scales to max

[static holly]

@potent pivot you are somehow right but blitz only chars seem to prioritize mastery and don't use haste anywhere if not necessarily needed (like on helm/shoulders)

[potent pivot]

what

nothing i said was incorrect

4 set, badge, at least 200 haste

[spring bough]

So much verse on it. I went for it too lol

[dark kernel]

It is, the main thing is it's a 259 hero track

[warped gate]

They give that out so late, by the time week four came along, I already had a whole setup worked out, and couldn't get rid of that much Haste putting that one.

[stoic spruce]

One ring that's only like 20ilvl with no main stat?

Nah

[dark kernel]

Idk if we're talking about th same thing

I thought we were but now not sure

[warped gate]

Damn, I just highlighted it, but I'm in an arena right now so I can't screencap it.

[stoic spruce]

The ring from the 4 weekly quests

It's like haste verse or something

[spring bough]

Rings like 90% verse 10% mastery

[dark kernel]

I think I grabbed the neck...because it has r ally good PvE stats

I think the neck was like Haste heavy

[warped gate]

Yeah, but it had Mastery rather than Vers as its second stat.

Man, I remember when Wowhead items had a zillion comments on everything.

This one just has four.

[stoic spruce]

Daaaamn

[spring bough]

Damnnnnnnn yo self

[willow valley]

yes

[warped gate]

I might be missing the obvious here but.. what's the "24" mean?

[static holly]

I think it's the count for the current week

[warped gate]

Ahhh, I gotcha, thanks, that tracks.

[warped gate]

More context sensitive screenshot. ^-^;

It matches the weekly, but that's a strange thing to put in a paranthesis when the weekly count is right above it.

[static holly]

Not when you switch specs

[warped gate]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh..

[static holly]

It's about consistency. So they did it Right

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/foo-fighters-the-pretender-music-video-gif-3724281

[warped gate]

I've literally only been Outlaw for two expansions now, and when I was Monk I was solely WW, so I guess I never thought about it before.

I never even hit the change spec button once.

[static holly]

Maybe more relevant for hybrid classes or healers

@potent pivot sorry, yes you're right. I just meant that they go fully mastery everywhere they can like gems enchants etc

Thought it's the same like for arena... Wasn't aware

[stoic spruce]

I was

[spring bough]

How’s your outlaw doing

[stoic spruce]

Decent. I wanted to do more arenas last night but I procrastinated that mythic weekly

[proven kayak]

Earlier that day I had a horror lobby hpal hpriest dk ret evoker I wanted physically to cry

[stoic spruce]

I've also been pulling random healers from LFG for 2s

Dude

It's so hard to climb 2s rn. You gain like 3 rating each match you win

[spring bough]

I should have focused that but I’m only 250ilvl

Should I start doing keys on the outlaw hmmmm

[spring bough]

Double outlaw would be better tbh

@vocal surge 3s with all outlaw?? 👀

[warped gate]

Fucking Assa Rogue zugged the whole lobby except for that one round on my team where the Druid decided it was a good idea to Cyclone the kill target.

Just melted the healers first three rounds, I had no idea wtf was going on.

Just Flair Flop.

Next round, Lebron Flop.

The only time I even got to play the game was when he was on my team because he was murking dudes so quick.

[stoic spruce]

I did sub/outlaw 2s and all I got were Rets and MWs

[vocal surge]

XD

if we can get a 3rd

[spring bough]

@stoic spruce

Found an actual real outlaw we could team with 👀

[vocal surge]

Aye

[warped gate]

I wasn't the alpha rogue, but at least I wasn't the beta rogue.

Ass (5), Outlaw (3), Sub (1)

I'm going back to just Patchwerking dudes in Skirmish.

[willow valley]

where can i craft pvp gear?

starting to look after conquest (ilvl 289) gear

cant find the location of any npc/craftsman on internet

[warped gate]

The crafting table NPC.

You gotta get a player to craft it for you via them.

Or Trade if you wanna go analog.

You need someone specific to recraft gear, but for your initial craft, you can just talk to the NPC.

Very tip of Silvermoon.

[rough rock]

@potent pivot we tiering gloves for sub today right?

[waxen moon]

Also wanna ask: we are moving away from haste, and go back to Mastery now?

[vocal surge]

First match of the day, 2-4

vs Frost Mage, Ret Pal, and Feral Druid

[willow valley]

k thx, and what pieces should i craft?

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey is 4 set worth it for assa now that mutilate is good?

[stoic spruce]

This motherfucker...

[warped gate]

Belt and Boots.

[willow valley]

nothin else?

[warped gate]

Oh wait.

Shit.

I keep forgetting not everyone is Outlaw.

[willow valley]

xd

ye for sub

also

do i need these or...?

pretty lost

i dont remember crafting system being like this for TWW or dragonflight

[warped gate]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1283780831147589713

[gusty hedge]

same same

[outer sky]

Yes

[willow valley]

[willow valley]

nice

i dont understand why it only appears this thing as an option

[spring bough]

Is that a snake bro

[willow valley]

oh i think its the thalassian set, nvm then

[stoic spruce]

Yes

King snake, killed a chicken.

[dark kernel]

Coreect

[willow valley]

last question

are these thingies useful?

juicy

if i did something wrong i can always reforge any crafted piece right?

idk if i can slap a gem socket in both the boots and belt

but that x2 on gem power sounded convincing tbh

[potent pivot]

Yes those are embellishments, you need 2

[potent pivot]

Most already has gloves but sure ig

[rough rock]

okay maybe these old zones are good lol

[severe helm]

good for what

[rough rock]

crate farming

[severe helm]

youve farmed 11056 crates???

in siren isle

[rough rock]

LOL thats the shard number

[severe helm]

aaaah

how do you get back to them in time?

are people actually forming groups for the old zones?

[jaunty osprey]

wormhole

hearthstone

mage port

[rough rock]

yeah less people

[severe helm]

interesting

[rough rock]

Like UM falls 2 mins slower than AK so you can grab that before it drops

same thing with SI and DN

[outer sky]

FYI guys garrote silence doesnt DR with DK silence for some reason

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey

[severe helm]

damn really?

got a vid of this?

[outer sky]

No I just noticed it in my last shuffle

i went to DR garrote off of a strang

[severe helm]

garrote drs with other silences right?

[outer sky]

but it was full garrote

[outer sky]

idk

[severe helm]

im wondering which of the two isnt triggering the silence dr

[outer sky]

It obv DRs with itself

[severe helm]

yeah then maybe its dk strang

did you apply it before the dk silence ended?

I wonder if theres a bug there

like the dr doesnt start til dk silence ends for some reason

[outer sky]

I think I may have clipped it ye

like clipped the DR

[spring bough]

@potent pivot ellesemere updated with a bunch of stuff... new character panel pretty good

[potent pivot]

On addon displays or

[potent pivot]

:o

[potent pivot]

das naice

[hazy monolith]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-achievements-and-rewards-coming-to-mythic-in-patch-12-0-5-381231#comments now copy this system for PvP and let teldrassil burn again

[spring bough]

need dis mount systen for pvp most def

they should add old elite sets too

[potent pivot]

yep

would push so much participation throughout the mid season if done correctly

this could be the beginning of that happening

[spring bough]

esp if u had to maintain the rating to buy lol

[potent pivot]

because m+ mounts were all also in-season only rewards

[molten hedge]

Ik boomie root beam is a separate dr

[gleaming sentinel]

We’re so close

[severe helm]

yeah thats the only one afaik

cuz it doesnt have a duration

you either can be silenced by it or you cant

[molten hedge]

Assa boomie could cheese some kills for sure last ssn it was fun

I just held my one shot til someone’s near execute range and suddenly, a pinkie is “in a global” and doesn’t bubble

Me in Whaazz stream earlier spreading propaganda ab trickz

Bro he had a game where he shit on an arcane mage my guy did 40k+ dps it was disgusting

[woven copper]

Hey! For the Alliance, the best choice in terms of racial abilities is the Elf, but who do you think is best for the Horde? Setting aesthetics aside, is the Highmountain Tauren worth considering?😁

[potent pivot]

Orc

[molten hedge]

HMT goes hard

I had 2 lobbies with a sub ln and kept bullrushing his bombs lol. It feels way better as outlaw since you have no stuns and putting someone on DR for a short stun isn’t as bad

[spring bough]

trickz be monitoring all wavelengths LMFAO

[potent pivot]

Probably @dark kernel

[woven copper]

I think it’s useful too, and it improves survival rates

[severe helm]

def worse than orc though ngl

[molten hedge]

Yeah orc is nice but not as many ppl playing sub these days. Still better than HMT imo

[potent pivot]

He saw me type before that

[spring bough]

4 set finally boys

[severe helm]

doesnt even matter

stuns are scary haha

[molten hedge]

Yeah I did HMT as a meme

My team tryna be Rodman, Jordan and Pippen all as HMT (bulls) 🤣

On some roleplay shit

[woven copper]

For assa to?

[potent pivot]

If you’re gonna go horde, yes

[hazy monolith]

add old season reward mounts for honor on top of that

[woven copper]

I want a more versatile race; it doesn’t matter whether it’s the Horde or the Alliance – I’m not bothered about the aesthetics or transmog.

[topaz bramble]

whats everyone's buy order for gear with conquest?

[potent pivot]

#1283780831147589713

[potent pivot]

You asked about horde specific. You already know Night elf is the other option.

[potent pivot]

Don’t know what spec you’re asking about. Buy 4 set slots first

[woven copper]

Just to make sure I’m not mistaken, cheers

[potent pivot]

Ah

[woven copper]

But what if you had to choose between an elf and an orc?😅

[potent pivot]

Bro

Do I really have to answer that

I feel like you know the answer

[jaunty osprey]

@outer sky idk tbh, prob isnt bad

you lose quite a bit of mastery

it's probably net neutral

[spring bough]

giga pistol shots

[rough rock]

Goblin or vulpera

[potent pivot]

Goblin

[abstract stratus]

@potent pivot

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

flag return and cap back to back baby

[outer sky]

FUCK

Assassination Rogue Tops Overall Boss Damage - Midnight Season 1 Rankings - Wowhead News https://share.google/CGOlNdooPqVj2yQyZ

Guess we're not getting anymore buffs

[potent pivot]

This is a fucking joke btw

Wouldn’t even worry about it

The entire comment section is straight dogging them for that article

Because assa has to drop all cleave for ST to do decent boss damage and it isn’t even the best at boss damage

Other specs that have good aoe/cleave beat it in boss damage

Whole thing is so ill informed

[spring bough]

headlines says top and they arent even top LOL

[potent pivot]

[abstract stratus]

incoming nerfs from the balance coordinator reading an article headline

[spring bough]

outlaw FC feels more unstoppable than ever

even though we lost fast grapple still the fastest

[potent pivot]

Do not accept the crimes that were perpetrated unto thee.

[spring bough]

now if we could only get old manuverability back....

[potent pivot]

Might be time to swap games bud

Windrose is out

[severe helm]

outlaw fc better hand that shit off asap

one cc on a grapple

and youre dead

[spring bough]

i had some good healers survived pretty good on that game lol

even played w flickering steel

[severe helm]

theyre healing someone with no defensives essentially lol

hard to compare to shit like evoker

but yeah as far as dps goes we arent awful but ive lost so many games cuz an outlaw picked up the flag

and died before they could do anything with it

[molten hedge]

Mewo it’s time to take your throne as the outlaw king

[potent pivot]

Sorry, seats taken

[gleaming sentinel]

correct, i begin my ascension this week

[spring bough]

??

[potent pivot]

??

[abstract stratus]

so 4 set in pvp only reduced garrote energy cost by 5 but doesnt update the set tooltip so idk what the actual %extra damage is in mut amb and fok

[outer sky]

12.5%

it updates it in an actual arena/BG

just not at the training dummies

for w/e reason

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/ascension-gif-24545645

[karmic dawn]

quick question, does shadow blades increase all damage done, or only auto attack damage? I'm asking bc it's kinda unclear and it used to only increase auto attack damage in the past I think

[spring bough]

1999 on shuffle RIP missed by a point

just trained an MW to secure 1 win for the evo healer

MM carrried me

[potent pivot]

all damage

[dark stump]

0 loot

[dark stump]

if only mm elite set wasn't ugly i would've done pvp with it

[grave basin]

You prefer the rogue piss colored elite set?

[spring bough]

outlaw busting out the blitz dmg

[pastel burrow]

goblin for the peak stealth animation, vulpera so you can smash an actual glass bottle off someones head like the desert rat you are

[dark stump]

who said i'm doing pvp on rogue ? i'm doing pve

dk elite set is the only one good

[lime oar]

human female and belf have best stealth animation

[gusty hedge]

Rogue Discord fair assumption

[hybrid sapphire]

damn no one is fw me this season

[jolly sierra]

bad way to say "warlock"

[outer sky]

"Glad xp no noobs"

[potent pivot]

i mean hes technically not.... lying..

[spring bough]

lol

[vocal surge]

with a performance like that, he probably bought Glad

and got into teams with his fake XP

[stoic spruce]

A fellow team fighter I hope

Except FC

FC peak outlaw gameplay still

[spring bough]

I went full EFC that game we had a preso

[stoic spruce]

Oh okay cool so he ran flag then

Preso sleeper FC

Especially when the enemy team is [check DMs]

[spring bough]

Preso too good

[hazy monolith]

If only

[dark kernel]

I hav never seen a legitimate pvper include a glad title from more than expansion ago

If you don't have a glad title in the last year it's irrelevant

That goes quintuple if you're Gladiator is from the most inflated season in all of wow

[outer sky]

I know a resto shaman who touts r1 xp when his only r1 title is from Wrath

like bro its a different game

[dark kernel]

And that's if he wasn't a win trader in 5s or doing match fixing which became super popular

[rough rock]

[spring bough]

Blizz would never

[hybrid sapphire]

do i want this?

[lime oar]

will our gear auto scale to this dumb shit

[potent pivot]

Ye

[dark kernel]

I would say unspeakable things to this guy for malding out as a DK of all classes.

[gleaming sentinel]

Rogue is rogue

[outer sky]

Holy shit look who I'm up against

[spring bough]

Dean and his 10 locks lmao

[outer sky]

was actually closer than I thought

we got 1200 points

[hybrid sapphire]

any opinions on this?

[proven field]

That dude #1 blitz Assa rogue

[outer sky]

eh w/e

[proven field]

https://check-pvp.fr/us/Black Dragonflight/Shugen dude's history is bonkers lol

[outer sky]

this was a big win

[dark stump]

but i found guys more fun

so u don't want me here...

[hollow carbon]

Dont bait me like this 💀

[hazy monolith]

sry 🙁

maybe im naive but is it normal that I get unstealthed by crossing bridges on eye of the storm?

[outer sky]

yes

its a bug

ive been reporting it for weeks

[rough rock]

most frustrating thing ever

its the moment you hit the end of it

[grave basin]

I feel like scummaxxing and crafting the tank embelish

250k absorb shield is massive

Free 50% lay on hands

[willow valley]

2? per piece?

[hazy monolith]

thanks man

[outer sky]

1 per piece on 2 pieces

[rough rock]

wwhats the name

[hazy monolith]

I initially gaslit myself thinking thats a balance measure

im that far

[rough rock]

Nope its why i hate being told to go there first

i go other tower instead

[grave basin]

I have no idea, you can check bicmex's armory

[willow valley]

oh ok

i already used 1 per piece

the double strength gem

[outer sky]

should be this one

if youre using strength as a rogue then youve got bigger problems

[grave basin]

I think he means this one...

[willow valley]

yes

double strength gem

[outer sky]

OMFG

[willow valley]

not double strength lol

[grave basin]

Xd

[outer sky]

This queue popped while I was in a long load screen and I MISSED IT

[willow valley]

dont worry

im not an orc

no zug zug here

[grave basin]

1hr wait time to play a game

[outer sky]

I sat 4 hours yesterday

[grave basin]

Im so glad im just vibing with keys/delves till mmr inflates in shuffle

[wet parcel]

I have no interest in being hardstuck 1800 😂

[rough rock]

pvp gear fine to do like +6's? been wanting to play more with my gf but i feel like i do nothing in dungeons lmao

[grave basin]

You need myth crests

+9 and above

Erm, if its your key you can do w/e

[rough rock]

why the fuck do you lose blitz rating if you have a leaver

[past yacht]

Any1 playing assa in 2s ? How it feels

[outer sky]

Terrible

[vocal surge]

You shouldn't be lol, its nice having an extra defensive

[potent pivot]

not good

[grave basin]

True, i can even craft it with bis pve stats (haste mast) and lose nothing other than the 1% dps boost of the arcanoweave

[potent pivot]

Should be fine

[stoic spruce]

Heard good things about it tbh

[tidal snow]

They HAVE to do this for old elite sets

Mann

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[vale basalt]

for sin pvp, is 1 point in zoldycks better than 1 point in sudden demise?

[potent pivot]

sudden demise is a 1 point talent

but assa does not run 1 point in any 2 point node either no

there's a couple builds in the pins of this channel

[vale basalt]

I know it's a 1 point talent, I meant is it better to drop the 1 point from sudden demise and put it into zoldycks. I know sudden demise procs at 10% in pvp instead of 35% but zoldycks still gives the 15% increase at 35% I think? so I wasn't sure which worked out to be better - the "snipe" from SD or the overall damage from zoldycks

[dark moon]

actually no, game needs to have something of value that cant be obtained

[potent pivot]

hard disagree

[potent pivot]

you can run both or only run zoldycks+DTB

would not really recommend any other weird combinations

either this

[vale basalt]

yeah, just noticed how the builds worked out in the pin. shame we don't have 1 more floating point to pick up 1 in zoldycks whike still keeping SD/DTB

like if rapid injection was a 1 point talent instead of 2

[potent pivot]

or this

[potent pivot]

i mean it just doesn't make as much sense

you're kinda half-assing bleed build and dtb build that way

[vale basalt]

by doing it that way?

that was what my question boiled down to, SD value vs Zoldyck, I wasn't sure which actually worked out to be more bleed damage or if the value of the SD proc was still good enough triggering at 10% instead of 35%

[potent pivot]

the majority of SD's value is just in the extra bleed damage. that kind of build just doesn't really make sense, choosing to leave out capstones that are really strong.

[vale basalt]

mm, yeah, I see your point. 10% overall with the snipe vs 15% below 35%, I didn't think of it that way, I was just looking at both talents "execute"

[potent pivot]

well zoldycks is also nature damage

[vale basalt]

it's bleeds too isn't it?

[potent pivot]

the left side of the tree buffs bleeds and kingsbane/envenom, so is generally more preferred if you're going to run DTB

because running DTB means utilizing amp, slightly more envenom focus etc

it just doesn't make as much sense to spend the points on the DTB row and then half of the left/right sides

[potent pivot]

bleed damage under 35% isn't quite as important as the actual buttons you'd use to execute someone. kb, env

both builds can delete someone if you send CDs into them under 35%

[potent pivot]

but this wouldn't really

[vale basalt]

I mean, if left/right is meant to be split like that, maybe swapping rapid and zoldyck on the tree would make sense since zoldyck does both bleeds and poison and then rapid in the zold spot would fit the "poison side"?

but yeah, as they stand how you explained it makes sense about sd being the stronger option for the build. I was just too focused on the execute portion of both the talents

[potent pivot]

Would be too strong

They do placements based on power generally speaking

You’re basically saying you want to take all 3 of the most powerful nodes, but there’s a reason you can’t

[potent pivot]

Wait what

[vale basalt]

?

[potent pivot]

SD is not the stronger option

[vale basalt]

what..

[potent pivot]

Not with DTB

[vale basalt]

I'm so confused now

[potent pivot]

I just explained

Zoldycks is what makes it possible to really close out kills

30% damage to kingsbane and envenom in execute

You either run left+right side or left+middle

[vale basalt]

yeah, I'm super confused now, looking at murlok.io 2v2 shows the most common talents bring middle/right

*being

that was what got me wondering about the SD vs Zold thing.

[potent pivot]

Assa on murlok rn is not really worth looking at

[vale basalt]

oh

[potent pivot]

The 2v2 is showing people down to 1.8k

Looks like someone made a YT video about DTB+SD, people are probably just copying that

The synergy just isn’t there

[vale basalt]

ahh

[cyan parcel]

one stupid question (as I know there's FAQ etc etc) - I played outlaw ages ago, and am picking it up for pvp again - what's the rotation like right now? back when I played it last in S1 DF, we basically just pistol shotted and between the eyes'd 24/7 as long as they procced, otherwise sinister/evisc/ambush proc, is that still the same? Do I just send pistol shot always whenever it's buffed? what do I look out for mainly?

[dark kernel]

The world of PVP subreddit needs to integrate check PVP so you can see every single person to rating history when they comment

[potent pivot]

you can refer to the pve #outlaw-faq for priority list and rotational rules

there are quite a few rules based on procs etc

sometimes depending on your rtb buffs as well

outlaw has always been a spec that has more damage you can squeeze out by playing properly around it's intricacies

not much of that really changes between pve/pvp

[potent pivot]

It would prolly die

[dark kernel]

Explains arena junkies

[cyan parcel]

that's arenajunkies with extra steps

[dark kernel]

Yeah I want it back

[cyan parcel]

ugh ._. big text scary

[dark kernel]

I literally discovered Arena junkies when that website was made

https://tenor.com/view/turn-spin-old-man-dizzy-fall-gif-13644280

[potent pivot]

Just take it slow, most of it is really quite simple

[cyan parcel]

same, and I was one of the most annoying c*nts there

cringe when I think about those days

[cyan parcel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012847410432704615/1263918962518003793/D181D0B8D0B6D0BAD0B0-D0B7D0B5D180D0BED0BAD183D0BB-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[dark moon]

goat

[grave basin]

Immolate dispel immolate dispel immolate dispel chaos bolt

If you know where this is from youre a certified fossil

[cyan parcel]

lock comic

on aj

[grave basin]

Name of the thread?

[dark kernel]

Lol

[cyan parcel]

rage comics or something idk anymore

[grave basin]

Yea ms arena rage paint

[dark kernel]

Yeah it's old 4chan memes

[cyan parcel]

that stuff was goated

[grave basin]

Elite ball knowledge

Tfw you watch hydra 7 as it drops

And people lose their shit

[dark kernel]

God

I always get so sad because one of my favorite Rogue pvp players quit in wrath

His editing was so crisp

Buddhist

If you remember that guy

[grave basin]

Yea buddhist vs ming was goated

[dark kernel]

The coms of ming need raging

[grave basin]

The coms of serennia

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-okay-great-meme-just-perfect-gif-13268829466700541863

[dark kernel]

That dude is in jail

Btw

[grave basin]

Deserves it for playing 1hr warrior druid match ups in 2s

[dark kernel]

The swarm and serenia video

Where he nerd rages live and stands up from his computer in a live Arena match

[grave basin]

Its ok now we got social contracts

Game will never be the same

No wcm

No pvp movies made for the love of the game

Just venruki bitching about solo queue video #10

[dark kernel]

You don't know how sad that makes me. If I had the time or technical know-how I would make a few here and there even being kind of poo

I wish I learned when I was younger, but my computer was always kind of on the slow side

[grave basin]

Meh, game is too sterile and theres no larger than life personalities

Pika was sorta the last guy but he just goes to classic most of the time

[dark kernel]

The pacing of the game is also so quick that it's really hard to isolate and show the skill expression in a video

[grave basin]

Pika vs whaaz rivalry era was pretty good

Like neilyo vs woundman

[dark kernel]

I was just about to reference this

The cataclysm hype dual videos of Rogue V Rogue

Was a literally peak while

Wow

[grave basin]

Now its.. idk whaaz vs kalvish but kalvish isnt a big enough personality

[dark kernel]

Baker ice

We have a new king

[grave basin]

The scene

[dark kernel]

I'm going to be real I thought it was funny for like a day but then I had to block that guy

[grave basin]

Pika streaming wow unironically carries the entire pvp section

Of retail

[dark moon]

the sub rogue scene from last season

[gleaming sentinel]

sub frost dk god

[potent pivot]

Wut

[dark kernel]

Murder

[potent pivot]

wuuut

i can't find anything about them being arrested lol

[dark kernel]

Hold on I actually had the news report

[potent pivot]

the only thing i can get to come up is the Serenity Now guild raid on the in-game 'funeral' another guild was having

[dark kernel]

Yeah Google results are WAY different now it's so stupid

This is one thing I know 100% I've read the article

[potent pivot]

i remember seeing a video about them

but i don't remember what it was about

[dark kernel]

He was basically homeless and living a rough life

Wow addiction was real

I knew a LOT of people back in the day who were homeless and playing wow in like McDonald's and shit. Wild times

[dark kernel]

I found SOME on it so far

@potent pivot buckle up. This is him https://www.justice2vance.com/

There's a TON more you can find once you have his real name

[potent pivot]

_>

yea i'm pretty sure i saw a video about this somewhere

its impossible to find now tho

anything with the word 'vance' just brings up us politics

[dark kernel]

Dude this guy is severely fucked

I think he got got finally

But yeah

[river pollen]

We aiming about 20% vers with pvp stats right

Sub rogue

[potent pivot]

you don't really have to aim for it

but generally speaking yea

[river pollen]

Yea its cus 20% is so easy to get, which is good cus i wanna focus on some mastery