pvp

[potent pivot]

they only did that for like 1 match no?

then they swapped back to whaazz but on ww

[severe helm]

they went 3

they won first match

then swapped to outlaw

then lost a match

[potent pivot]

i'm thinking of the very last match up they played vs lontar

[severe helm]

then went back to finish

yeah I havent gotten there yet

[potent pivot]

i didn't watch most of yesterday

[severe helm]

I think demo mage beats the ww/mage, feral/mage, outlaw/mage comps

[potent pivot]

ngl, i don't

[severe helm]

thats how they seem to use it

esp when its their map pick

[potent pivot]

i think they will play more ww

[severe helm]

big map

demo mage

playing ww/outlaw/feral on tol viran against that

[potent pivot]

they were just 'scared' to lock in ww

[severe helm]

is pretty rough

echo?

[potent pivot]

but they sent it on match point

yes

[gleaming sentinel]

They won the mirror in like 1mi 40 sec

[severe helm]

its so hard to tell what theyre picking the comp for haha cuz they switch even when they win

but yeah mage lock looked PRETTY strong against ww

[potent pivot]

not vs lontar's team

[severe helm]

I'll check that out when I get there

[potent pivot]

they went 3-3 vs lontar

[severe helm]

what comp was lontar playing?

[potent pivot]

then finally played mirror ww

and won the last match

[severe helm]

Oh I just got there

[potent pivot]

going forward i think they will just be less afraid of locking the mirror

[severe helm]

watching now

[potent pivot]

unless tuning happens

[severe helm]

oh they tried outlaw mage into ww mage first

[potent pivot]

i just don't think demo/mage is actually the best answer

if they can just play the mirror better

but i'm mostly only going off that last series

[severe helm]

yeah im watching it now

they played outlaw mage

into ww mage

the first 2 rounds

went 1:1 to just mage dying in like 2 gcds from ww

lol

[potent pivot]

mhm

i honestly think a lot of the comps are just scuffed af too

barely anyone playing sub

bleeding every little thing they can to make outlaw more tanky

atrophic poison, max vers, tank embellishments sometimes...

[stoic spruce]

Trickz

The DR change is the worst change tp pvp ever

and im STANDIN on that

[potent pivot]

why tho

[severe helm]

but yeah it seems like borgir king wanted to try the caster cleave to damp out the outlaw/mage

which is what they did round 3

but I dont think ele is good enough right now

to be a scary 2nd caster

[stoic spruce]

im CCd more than playing lol

[severe helm]

yeeeeup

its pretty bad

[stoic spruce]

only healers should feel this

by me, a rogue

[severe helm]

lol

yeah idk why borgir even tried ele mage

[stoic spruce]

great team name

[severe helm]

but yeah @potent pivot echo went 1:1 with mage lock and tbh the loss they had they were winning the whole time kinda just couldnt close it out in the end

and on the bigger map it was a stomp

[gusty hedge]

@gleaming sentinel @spring bough

[severe helm]

seems they swapped back to ww mage when it was borgirs map pick

cuz they knew it was small map coming

[spring bough]

I hope u get blasted thru those shields

[severe helm]

losing pvp set bonus is giga troll isnt it?

was anyone actually doing that in the tourney>?

[potent pivot]

mp

no

[spring bough]

People were running the neck

[gusty hedge]

they dont know about the trinkett

[severe helm]

yeah the neck I know

the trinket is troll

losing that much stam

and main stat

[gusty hedge]

trinket is livelord

[dark kernel]

I dont recall any outlaw running 4pc

[potent pivot]

cap

[gusty hedge]

1 min shield 380k is pretty much a scond life

[spring bough]

4pc is 🐐’d tho

[rough rock]

Poop

[stoic spruce]

sup

[dark kernel]

They were just running THAT much vers and haste instead

[spring bough]

Yall buggin if you aren’t gonna run 4 set

[potent pivot]

4 set is good ye

[dark kernel]

I would I'm just not theee

[severe helm]

thats kinda how I feel

[spring bough]

Extra dmg is extra dmg even if it’s small

[severe helm]

Like I understand the vision in the tourney

but BR is very strong

[rough rock]

You fr gonna be the first person on ladder to run it

[potent pivot]

awc isn't ladder

[severe helm]

shorter CD on a dash

[dark kernel]

I actually think 4 set for sub is low-key kind of troll

[severe helm]

AND it buffs you

[stoic spruce]

Tourny has a rep for doing strange things anyway

[spring bough]

This

[potent pivot]

copying every little thing from awc isn't worth

[rough rock]

It’s not just AWC

Lots of outlaws don’t

Not saying it’s the move

[potent pivot]

super cap

[severe helm]

im gona run it

the math just isnt there

for not running it

imo

[rough rock]

I just don’t like the stats on the tier pieces

Expect pants and gloves

That’s just my opinion

[spring bough]

I can’t decide between flickering steel or verse talent. 21-22 verse with steel and 25ish with verse talent

[severe helm]

saaaaame

[potent pivot]

stats stats stats..........

[dark kernel]

It's 2 seconds more on blades doing 3 or 2% more Shadow damage total

[potent pivot]

cringe pvper takes fr

[dark kernel]

It's BETTER than raw stats

[spring bough]

I keep swapping talents I can’t decide what feels best

[severe helm]

I think it depends if you pick up the other opp chance talent

[dark kernel]

But I don't think it's "good"

[rough rock]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[gusty hedge]

2.5 % extra damage for 8 secs

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

you don't have to think. its good.

[severe helm]

yeah how much vers is 2.5%

[potent pivot]

[severe helm]

even if mastery was "0" value

[spring bough]

I dropped KIR for finding OPP and sleight for imp BTE. But I keep going back n forth

[spring bough]

Add turn the tables to that GG

[rough rock]

Be a man, run KS

[spring bough]

Never running KS or trickster this season F that

[rough rock]

It’s funny to see blade rush do more damage

2 blade rushes do more damage than a fully buffed KS lol

[severe helm]

yeah thats the issue im at

I dont want to drop kir

for solo shuffle

matches are too short

and getting a KiR on stage 3 or jackpot almost feels like a free win

like you just run people over

[spring bough]

It does

This is what I’ve been usually doing

Dropped charger for vanish tho

[severe helm]

so what m thinking

is you can get the opp chance

if you take audacity

the ambush talent

and just remeber to cancel aura it

whenever it procs

you can macro it to SS

then you get both

[spring bough]

I keep doing 1/2 dispatcher to pickup finding OPP

[spring bough]

I think that’s what I’m gonna stick with. 1/2 dispatcher and finding OPP with flickering steel

[severe helm]

try this

and macro /cancelaura for audacity into your ss

cuz its a dps loss to use ambush and blizz tries to force it

p sure thats stronger

than just builder damage

[spring bough]

Idk if ima do all that 😂

[severe helm]

lol ill try it out

if I get time to actually play more

[spring bough]

That build tho with flickering or verse, can’t really tell a difference between them

[severe helm]

im leveling my clone alts so I can push shuffle with less frets

[dark kernel]

Opportunity is such a fun outlaw spec

[severe helm]

theyre very similar

[dark kernel]

The fact it's ass is shit

[severe helm]

I think if you dont have the opp chance

you need flickering

[gleaming sentinel]

My tinfoil hat is they have those talents to giga buff them for a different season to give you a new playstyle

[dark kernel]

That would be nice.

[severe helm]

ambush is such a lame button

[dark kernel]

If it just DID DAMAGE

It would be fine

[severe helm]

it trivializes the builder rules

[dark kernel]

I love getting it

[severe helm]

in a very boring way

"press light up button"

thats your whole rotation

fucking drooler build

[stoic spruce]

I wish stealth reset the CD of cheapshot

[severe helm]

it wouldnt help outlaw

or do you mean if stealth gave us a free charge of cheap

so you could use it twice

cuz reseting the cd is still just one cheap per vanish

[spring bough]

Idk I’m kinda liking having just one stun a go. Focus more on killing someone than BS 😂

[severe helm]

me zug

[spring bough]

Outlaw the new zug zug

[severe helm]

boring

[stoic spruce]

who said anything about helping outlaw

[spring bough]

Less shit for people to yell about lmao

[stoic spruce]

yeah

[severe helm]

who would it help?

[spring bough]

AOE blind coming back gonna be outlaws saving grace

[severe helm]

the only spec that can actually enter stealth more often than the cheap cd is sub

and it already has a talent for it

[severe helm]

yeah drop gouge AND long blind

smart

[stoic spruce]

theres already an answer

leave the CD on Sub and have stealth reset CS

its not like the game needs more CC anyway

[severe helm]

oh to nerf sub

yeah sure im down

should have said so

[spring bough]

Outlaw gotta regain rogue S tier status somehow

[stoic spruce]

more dam to BR

[severe helm]

I dont really want more dam

I want my kit to feel good so im not reliant on zug zug tuning

cuz zug zug tuning never lasts

[stoic spruce]

no but outlaw damage this good comes once every 2 expansions

we're reliant on zug tuning in pve already so whats pvp?

[severe helm]

whats pvp?

[stoic spruce]

"whats 17 more years?"

I forget what that kind of phrase is called

[severe helm]

Im not sure I understand the question

[stoic spruce]

its not a rhetorical question

nvm

[severe helm]

I like a specs power to be in its kit so that skill expression can come through

I dont like a specs power to be in its zug zug

why the fuck would I be playing rogue

why would anyone

if they didnt also think this

if someone is playing rogue to zug zug win

theyre lost

theres a whole bunch of specs out there for that purpose

[stoic spruce]

a lot of people said they wanted Outlaw to be a brawler spec so I guess this is Blizzards way of doing that

[severe helm]

you can be a brawler spec with a kit that has complexity

outlaw has been a brawler

just means a non burst damage spec

thats tanky

[dark kernel]

It's called WW monk

[severe helm]

ww complexity lol

[dark kernel]

It's unfortunate but it's just changed

Your mindset towards WW has changed since their fotm

But they are not easy to pilot and you know this

[severe helm]

their win condition is killing without cc in a couple gcds before someone can react

my mindset is consistent

[dark kernel]

We all have a version of our class we miss or want

[stoic spruce]

like DB/GSW :D

[severe helm]

even in awc thats how theyve been winning lol

lose the whole match

randomly win cuz kick procs

🙂

[dark kernel]

I legitimately think DF outlaw was peak

[severe helm]

agreed

DF s3/4

[dark kernel]

I think tww was close but worse

[stoic spruce]

nah

[severe helm]

hero talents ruined so many specs imo

[stoic spruce]

that shit didnt function in a pvp enviroment

[severe helm]

nocap I think hero talents were a mistake

[severe helm]

it absolutely did

[stoic spruce]

lol wut

yeah if they pressed no CC or roots yes

hot garbage from start to finish

good riddance

[gusty hedge]

S3 TWW was goated for outlaw coins + bte 50-70% of someone's hp in like 3 seconds

[dark kernel]

Yeah that got gutted week 3

[severe helm]

rightfully

awful gameplay

[dark kernel]

I would know because I painstakingly tried to get elite the entire season

[severe helm]

bro you had vanish on a 20s cd

[gusty hedge]

you could still do it throught the whole season wym?

[severe helm]

it was insanely strong

you couldnt get kited

[dark kernel]

And gave up and went assq and hit it in 4 days

[severe helm]

DF S3 outlaw was probably the strongest its been in multiple xpacs

[gusty hedge]

week 1 gutted actually tho lol i played week 2 after it got nerfed and quit same week

at that time i still didnt know u had to ghostly/ adr to pop em back to back

i was playing liek df s4 /tww s1 adr pre stealth wasting the burst

[stoic spruce]

LOL

yeah okay

[gusty hedge]

cdr on vanish will prolly save this spec rn

even tho u cant do much in stealth anymore

lol

[severe helm]

the spec would def need its damage nerfed but I would enjoy it a LOT more yeah

you can do a ton

cheap shot is only 12s cd

youd now have two stuns

every go

[gusty hedge]

thats big!

got the double vanish just for cheap

[stoic spruce]

they made outlaw a 2s spec

[spring bough]

He’s right tho lol

RIP to vanish whenever u needed it 😭

Also RIP to KS removing roots

[stoic spruce]

he aint

whoever yall played against didnt have their CC and shit bound

CCd until adr dropped but hey you got vanish back

now the spec doesnt work and youre there for emotional support

[stoic spruce]

the real loss

and Manuv

[spring bough]

Sounds like u not doing it right

Weren’t doing it right**

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

well idk what to tell you

it was NOT 30s

thats what you get on dummys

[spring bough]

Gonna miss my 20 second evasion cooldown too 😭

[molten hedge]

wasnt there a talent or mechanic where u rtb and ar and it didnt count down

[gusty hedge]

30-45 secs

[spring bough]

Yeah it was called upper hander or something

[stoic spruce]

that shit made me rage leae the server

god I hate that talent

[gleaming sentinel]

As much as I miss that playstyle. New outlaw fits the shuffle meta

[stoic spruce]

you can thank the precious DF outlaw for that

[gleaming sentinel]

Just do dmg

Kidney gouge blind healer or the off dps if it’s an alpha player

[stoic spruce]

along with RB and TB nerf

[gleaming sentinel]

Gain rating

[gusty hedge]

i will forever miss that playstyle

[gleaming sentinel]

The last month of the season was probably the most fun in wow I’ve ever had

[stoic spruce]

theres not enough piss to fill its grave

[gusty hedge]

gameplay was on point for me, fast hook, burst burst , no one expected it lol,
i played so underhanded it fit well

grapple away like im running

then pop up right behind then

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-in-black-shirt-thirsty-overflow-hexen-so-gif-11884310

[spring bough]

Damn popo slow down bro

[stoic spruce]

thorsty

[proven field]

I used to love when everything lined up with them Wickers and you just rapid-fired into someone

felt.... so good

[spring bough]

Do I play some shuffle when I get home or just slam blitz all night

[stoic spruce]

it was like current BR but more often

[spring bough]

Bussy Lego unmatched. Bring me back

[stoic spruce]

dude

SL classic when?

[jolly sierra]

brazillian lego

[jolly sierra]

never hope so

[proven field]

Top 20 in BGB for outlaw is only 1800... could just climb climb climb it

it's a small hill, but you could get right up there

[spring bough]

Yeah I went like 7-0 and then lost 4 in a row my MMR is turbo fucked

[gleaming sentinel]

The first 10 games are unironically the hardest

[proven field]

that low you can rebuild quick though

[spring bough]

I hope so

Prayers for win streak tonight

[proven field]

if you go like 5-5 in the first ten, you end up in the 1500s forever

might as well just reroll imo

[spring bough]

I’m at like 1500 barely lol

[gleaming sentinel]

I started last season 5-15 on my outlaw

I thought it was over. Final week I climbed form like 1800 -> 2900

[spring bough]

Blitz prob the best shot for an early elite right now

[proven field]

only thing I had to come to terms with is with rogue in BGB, you have to be better than the rest of the team to climb, and you just have to fucking carry every goddamn map... hard.... top kills, top dmg, top node captures, top returns, just non-stop ape-shit... no hiding

[spring bough]

Solo for outlaw is like 2200 max

[jolly sierra]

once in an alt monk i had

for some weird reason ended at 1k6 mmr

lose a lot of games and ended at 1k mmr

god fucking dammit was hell

glad i get off but

dude, horrendous af

[proven field]

1k MMR is basically playing mom's who thought they pressed Candy Crush at the doctor's office

[jolly sierra]

lit

how tf that ever exists

[proven field]

i thought forever MMR just stopped at 1400 but someone here posted a pic at 1100 so I guess sub-1k is possible

[jolly sierra]

hyper

once i think i watched a 1k mmr game here

or was 900 i dont recall

bro went back to kindergarten

[lime oar]

yep the W pretty much is on our shoulders

[gusty hedge]

GSW felt soo good in Bfa with that thunderffall az power lol

[gusty hedge]

seen a hunter at 2.5k in blitz and only 1600+ in ss

sv hunter

less games played than shuffle too

[stoic spruce]

only real ones know that one

and realer ones remember what it was called

[spring bough]

The suspense is killing me

[stoic spruce]

Dead Eye

[gusty hedge]

dead shot was top

1 tapping poeple lol

[proven field]

Had a blast the other night with this feral - we just 2-manned back and forth the entire AB - one of the only people who knew CC chains. He'd open and cap, I'd juggle and kill. We just went from node to node like best friend Ronin:

[gleaming sentinel]

Ramping up a zero in as adr is coming off cd so you hit em with the super charger 20 stack bte is pretty peak fellas

Try it

[gusty hedge]

cant forget the outlaw mastery dagger build with snake eyes broken

[proven field]

team was giving him shit for no kills and I freaked out "this man is a saint, we won because of him"

and he was from Rag no less... can't judge books I guess

[gusty hedge]

ngl i havent even tried to stack it that long outside a trainning dummy

[gleaming sentinel]

I only do it before a super charger

[gusty hedge]

one bte before supercharger?

[gleaming sentinel]

No like ramp up

[spring bough]

I don’t even track stacks I just send shit whenever

[stoic spruce]

does disarm do anything to devdh

[spring bough]

Should I be tracking this zero in BS

[raven quiver]

Guess depends on the draw. I’m 1-4 atm. 2 games I had healers who want to sit in the flag room and guard the flag. Then 2 basin where everyone decide mid / roads where the only place to be.

I guess the argument is SS doesn’t have high enough mmr to get a lot of elites atm

[rough rock]

As someone with 100+ blitz game and just climbed out of 1400 mmr after peaking 1783

Just keep queing

Finding a healer duo is best like zicore said. Found a fw monk and we just roll maps now

[jolly sierra]

i got into SS hell one too

[raven quiver]

Oh nice. Ya the dps: healer combo

[jolly sierra]

just dont play while tilting

[stoic spruce]

Outlaw better not get nerfed

this shit rocks

[rough rock]

Makes you see those posts “blitz is ez elite” and you sit there in that hell mmr wondering what they are talking about LOL

[stoic spruce]

what does this mean

[raven quiver]

Long as I don’t see a frost mage I’m solid as sub.

[rough rock]

Recent ally

[stoic spruce]

you know whats funny?

I have the same amount of questions as before

whats a recent ally? lol

[rough rock]

Lmao recently played together

[stoic spruce]

oh okay

thats weird

[rough rock]

Tracks for 24 hrs I think or until log

[stoic spruce]

I thought it was like

[spring bough]

I swear people Que blitz and don’t know basic objectives

[stoic spruce]

"this dude is in your neighborhood"

[stoic spruce]

you mean team fight mid?

[spring bough]

0 CR queuing for blitz should make you take an objective quiz and if you don’t pass you can’t Que

[stoic spruce]

#outlwaLyfe

rip my spelling

https://tenor.com/view/outlaws-elysium-d4dj-packwatch-rip-gif-24593303

[rough rock]

Brother I had a healer yesterday yell at me for not sitting on EOTS

We had a fucking paladin and tank

Meanwhile I capped 4 flags

And 5 bases

[spring bough]

Why are u a grown ass man posting anime GIFs

[stoic spruce]

because im a grown ass man and I can do what I want

I pay my internet bill

[spring bough]

Do we even wanna know why u have that saved in ur camera roll 😂

[stoic spruce]

because Outlaw is better than assa and sub

duh

idk what packwatch means but I like it too

[spring bough]

Twin peaks yesterday. Our designated FC died twice. I killed EFC twice too. So third times the charm I just grabbed the flag and ran back before enemy could pick again 😂

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-yellow-jujutsurole-jjk-roles-gif-10818595460643990018

also have this

[rough rock]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFA3N4ObkAAC6VR.webp

[stoic spruce]

LMAOOO

[spring bough]

“I do not like this post, report”

[stoic spruce]

saved that one too

tyvm

[spring bough]

“I don’t like it” being a reportable button is crazy work

[stoic spruce]

I have a gif for every situation

[rough rock]

Lost all my cool ones when my main acct got deleted

[stoic spruce]

yall ever accidentally report someone?

I may or may not have just done that

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNG42MzR2bmFwbTQ5cTcxODY1bHI2emVoOXVlMnkzeHM3a3c0a28yNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/wnqLpwV7HbuMdS6Fxd/giphy.gif

[jolly sierra]

legend is true

[raven quiver]

Wonder how many times his keyboard flew across the room vs frost mages.

[gusty hedge]

FC maps withs this tank neck/trinket are nice

[stoic spruce]

dude my mice take beatings when I fight them lol

[gusty hedge]

scuffed mmr on rogue whos never done blitz

[raven quiver]

Death from above is my saving grace vs them.

[stoic spruce]

I forgot about that

I wonder if I should start running it

rn disarm is my flex

excuse me

Dismantle*

this but good

thoughts?

the icon though wtf lol

[spring bough]

Sounds gross

[spring bough]

Freaky ahhhhh

[rough rock]

Any single ability should not be able to go through a pillar unless it’s fully sent before you reach it. Middle of the timer should not count

[gusty hedge]

oh wow they changed it ?!!? it used to grant leech %

[stoic spruce]

YEAH

yeah

I neevr bothered testing it

but this doesnt seems much better either

[gusty hedge]

i used it in open world on one of my rogues + leech enchants on as many pieces as i could

[gusty hedge]

100% better

[stoic spruce]

I sure do wish I could see buff uptime

[gusty hedge]

premidnight idk about now

[gusty hedge]

if this was say 2k hp per coin flip it might be good! sustained self healing

[stoic spruce]

I'd do anything to gain an unfair advantage (using the damage meter to check buff uptime)

weapons aquired

need more crit

no I dont

good catch popo

thank you popo

[gusty hedge]

[stoic spruce]

there was an alliance priest attacking pvp dummies right

well

I decided to kill time

these dang queue times make a man do things

[raven quiver]

Can you log PvP matches?

[stoic spruce]

YEAH

caps

[spring bough]

Skill capped has some arena analyzer app out

Logs the matches and records them

[covert tusk]

Hey guys need help for someone to look at my gear quick, I am conquest capped, got every single bis enchant, gem etc.. I just feel I still haven't hit 500-600 haste

sub rogue here

[gusty hedge]

LiveLord

[covert tusk]

Normal tbh

[gusty hedge]

haste vers belt/legs /feet/wrist / trink/cloak

[gusty hedge]

tank neck and trinket live lord kek

[covert tusk]

Can you translate what you just said 🙂

[gusty hedge]

Normal tbh

[covert tusk]

It means normal?

[stoic spruce]

bro said normal and bounced lmao

what a chad

[dark kernel]

Are you accounting for what your haste is in instanced pvp

My haste is about 13% in the world, just about 18% in instances

If you hit the PVP dummy it'll show you

[spring bough]

Should I main Devourer or outlaw for the rest of the szn

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[spring bough]

Could do keys/raid for one and solely PvP for the other hmmmm

[gusty hedge]

you could?!? orrr

you can do pvp with both and pve/pvp with the other

[spring bough]

I just wish outlaw was good in raid lmao

[dark kernel]

Are any of the rogue Specs good?

[spring bough]

And if LFG didn’t take 1 hour per group for outlaw that would be nice

[dark kernel]

My single Target dps is like 55k as sub ilvl 262

[spring bough]

Sign this guy up for mythic raid

[dark kernel]

Isn't that ass

[spring bough]

Yes

[dark kernel]

I was saying all three specs are bad

Yeah I don't have a 285 wep yet. But rogue damage just not good

I think with a mythic weapon and a trinket that wasn't terrible I would do like 65ish

Let's see

[gusty hedge]

my sims are higher than my actual dps

[dark kernel]

The only time I ever got a logged raid and it was some LFR shit it looks like when I was full pvp gear

Oh that's normal mode

That raid wasn't logged though? I checked previously.

[spring bough]

Someone could have uploaded it after

[dark kernel]

Oh alright. I was like that was the FIRST week of the raid

I was like.....234 ilvl in that

[spring bough]

Has anyone done L’ura on normal/heroic yet? Normal felt too ez for a last boss

Thinking aotc gonna be the easiest it’s been

[lime oar]

idk pve is stinky

[proven field]

hrmm trying devourer.. it's kind of... meh in pvp

[gusty hedge]

[dark kernel]

The amount of bases controlled show me this game was a cluster fuck

[gusty hedge]

it was
we were down 600 at one point cuz healer dps duo, and a evoker in full mythic + gear basically honor. somehow we tied but shouldve won couldnt cap quarry intime

[spring bough]

Yeah I will go on a roll some games and others just completely get fucked lmao

Like damn nothing can stop this then next game just that 😂

[proven field]

it just feels so slow... like it's physical effort to throw a spell

I can feel my char go.. "hhhhhuuuurrrah..." like he's trying to chuck a big rock into a pond to make a big splash

[sullen ledge]

how many haste do i need as sub rogue?
i see on midnight we dont rush only mastery

[raven quiver]

Heroic has the memory game that one shots

[sullen ledge]

is there any target for haste then mastery?

[spring bough]

Normal had the 3 memory things looks like heroic is 5…. Doesn’t seem so bad 😂

[raven quiver]

Ya now it’s remembers 5 orders for 5 people 3 times in a row then the last phase make 4 groups stand together and hit the outer orbs

First part is covered by an addon

2nd us setting up markers in the right spot and never moving

Then the 5 people holding a light crystal

[raven quiver]

My guild blew up normal first week then got to heroic and said ya we will wait for an addon.

[spring bough]

Damn so LFG may be hit or miss lol

[raven quiver]

Killed it this week no problem but we are 275+

[proven field]

what the hell lol... my youtube feed suddenly showed me this guy - Oscar. Dude has 3 Subscribers and years of content

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6X7dr-cO-w

[raven quiver]

And a CE guild

[proven field]

dude has a season 3 trailer that he made for no one

9 views and 3 of them are me just F5'ing to see if this is real

[spring bough]

Does he play outlaw rogue

[raven quiver]

LFG would be a nightmare. A mythic raid boss would be easier in LFG

[proven field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y9jCL5b_rg this one literally has one view... just me..so much energy spent

[spring bough]

https://x.com/cdew_wow/status/2043771935931113478?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Cdew (@cdew_wow)

Seeing the stats for the awc. Game is unplayable without a rogue, mage, mw, or ww. Probably the most narrow meta of all time. Hoping for some changes today, feel like there’s no harm to at least buff the weaker/unplayed classes. Metas like this make players quit.

X · Apr 13, 2026, 7:22 PM

Damn S tier sub rogue

[gusty hedge]

tell em to Cry Louder for the kids in the back

[spring bough]

https://x.com/cdew_wow/status/2043095430997671951?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Cdew (@cdew_wow)

the year is 2026, rogue mage is still the best comp in the game. GG

X · Apr 11, 2026, 10:34 PM

Sounds like someone a rogue hater 👀

[gusty hedge]

[gleaming sentinel]

He’s got trill on his team I’m sure he’s not that upset

[spring bough]

Makes it even funnier lol

[gleaming sentinel]

But same comp won both regions, time for some changes

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-one-percent-they-can-kiss-one-percent-of-my-ass-gif-26230185

too funny to speak in gifs/ emotes

[scarlet nest]

I mean he's got a point

[rough rock]

Never once seen this man not cry or complain whenever I see him

Glad he lost

Should just stick to gambling

[covert tusk]

Hey guys open to suggestions please, am conquest capped already

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/sargeras/celinee/

I just feel I didnt meet haste rate

[rough rock]

Missed hate by a planet

[covert tusk]

Yup haha so whats the solution

I really cant find anyone to advise me on how to fix this

dont know if there is a discord server that could assist with that

[gusty hedge]

Convert your legs and helmet for 2 ppiece tier set or convert legs/ shoulders if ur lackin haste, seems on point, alos probably swap badge for alacrity

[raven quiver]

Is he trying to go all haste for sun or all mastery? He has mixed feelings. Haste neck but mastery boots crafted.

Neck can be mastery I believe

[gusty hedge]

going for the 600 threshold

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[gusty hedge]

looks like he will be right under 600 haste stat in pvp combat

missing tier set

shoulders / legs would set perfect

also seems new to the game and pvp

dont think he knows stats wil lgo up in pvp combat/ pvp dummy

[raven quiver]

Gotcha. Ya for sub PvE people go for 650-700 depending on your world ms

[gusty hedge]

base stats showing lower than what hes aiming for outside pvp

[raven quiver]

I like my 200ish haste for PvP as sub

Sadly Nelf doesn’t add to the haste rip

For SD extension

[amber goblet]

im like 9ping and when i do Cheap > sec tech > shadowstrike > evis > cheap i will gap my stun

on non orcs

is it a haste thing?

[gusty hedge]

extends sdance duration and sec tech cd doesnt seem like it goes lower than 18-19 secs tho even at 30+% haste + shadow clone something not sure more procs on something with clone damage( dont quote me on that )

[outer sky]

love to see it

[rough rock]

Don’t worry about it too much dude. There’s so many people running full mastery

It’s not gonna ruin your chances at anything

[amber goblet]

Oh i meant like people are saying you should be able to do cs > sectech > ss > evis > cs

[rough rock]

Wtb you logging In

[amber goblet]

but i will gap if i do that so i ahve to cs > sec tech > ss > cs > evis

at 9 ms

[outer sky]

record 24-11

[gleaming sentinel]

Gotta get the cr up broski

[outer sky]

most I can get is 36 points per game

my mmr is 3200

[potent pivot]

With low ping like that, that should never be an issue. And no haste has nothing to do with it. If you proc Coup evis you’re going to gap every time. That’s just how it is atm.

[spring bough]

3 wins till elite time to clean sweep it

[outer sky]

The queue leading up to that game was almost 4 hours long

[spring bough]

4 hours????

[outer sky]

almost

I'm solo queueing with an mmr of 3200 in the middle of the day

[severe helm]

https://youtu.be/ZFNjHnyKsyg?t=20277

wtf is this death

[potent pivot]

looks like BM CDs

[severe helm]

why do some classes have "cds" that kill you in a global

[graceful ravine]

anyone know if its possible to transfer honor to an alt of the opposite faction?

[severe helm]

whats the purpose of that design

[potent pivot]

it wasn't only BM

[severe helm]

yeah its a mix

regardless

whats the design goal for dying so fast without even requiring cc

[potent pivot]

mage just falls over

he had block

[severe helm]

feels kinda stupid idk

[potent pivot]

some dmg is just overtuned

[severe helm]

yeah game feels goofy rn

lot of deaths like this in this awc

ww deleting people

bm

lot of wins felt unearned idk

[gleaming sentinel]

Windwalker had so many like “oh the mage is dead” moments

[severe helm]

yeah it was super lame to watch

[potent pivot]

yep

[severe helm]

oh wow he pressed RSK

very impressive

[gleaming sentinel]

Like 2 games in a row kalvish playing really well woops he crit so he got caut and ice block

[severe helm]

yeup

[potent pivot]

cdew is just funny at this point

how is it not obvious the issues are mw/ww

lol

[severe helm]

I mean

its a hollistic issue

you can try to fix the meta narrowing with very informed and delicate class tuning

or maybe the reason the meta is so narrow is because of the larger game changes

like cc length, time to kill, and dr timer

also one element of this is obv the removal of addons means classes with less "obvious" cds have an advantage

so ww randomly popping you requires a lot more awareness to even see that theyre doing it than before

[rough rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3bW5j4sFZY

[severe helm]

like if you nerfed mw, ww

do you think the meta would widen?

or

[rough rock]

"who tf running 4 set"

[severe helm]

would it just narrow

to now be rogue mage healer

and nothing else haha

cuz if rogue mage can compete with ww rn

if you nerf ww

whats gona compete with rogue mage...

[potent pivot]

ye

[rough rock]

bro playing with 10% haste lol

[potent pivot]

i think there's plenty that can

[gleaming pawn]

The clown needs to go back to his gambling streams and just fully retire from WoW. Totally washed

[spring bough]

cool now every1 gonna make 1

[potent pivot]

hunter, ret, sham, warr, lock

obv there's still other specs that need buffs

but it seems very obv to me that mw/ww are the truly broken shit rn

[severe helm]

this does happen a lot where we miss the common denominator here

which is mage

[potent pivot]

mage is strong but can die so fast

[severe helm]

there were like two teams for both EU and NA that didnt play a mage

lol

[rough rock]

his sub gear making mg hit like a truck LMAO

[severe helm]

idk yeah when theres specs lagging behind I normally advocate for buffs

[potent pivot]

if u nerf mage u basically make every single one of them reroll

its a glass cannon

[severe helm]

but in this case I dont think we need MORE specs that do ww/outlaw/mage levels of damage

[potent pivot]

if it doesn't cannon what r u gonna do

[severe helm]

these matches were also kinda just shit

[gleaming pawn]

Tell them welcome to the club

[severe helm]

somethings wrong with the game rn imo

feels very skirmishy and random

[gleaming sentinel]

I just think the pruning was a mistake. Some specs are just a shell of themselves

[proven field]

I made this exact joke the other day lol

[potent pivot]

yep

i keep seeing the same thing said too

"i thought they would prune modifiers and talents before abilities, half the specs in the game feel incomplete, too simple and boring"

every spec in the game has like 70+? talents

and less than 20 abilities now basically

its ridiculous

adding apex talents and pruning abilities was the biggest mistake imo

[severe helm]

apex talents are super weird

cuz theyre just...baseline

I dont get it

its like complexity with no value

[potent pivot]

its basically just an expansion tier set

lets be real

i think they designed themselves into a corner when they decided to keep making additions to talents after DF

instead of continuing to polish and rework the original amount of talents

[severe helm]

I think both apex talents and hero talents were a step backwards

so much complexity for so few decisions

hero talents have like 2 or 3 meaningful choices at most within the trees

[potent pivot]

they continued to add more and more "illusions of choice" and buggy ass talents

[severe helm]

YES

illusions of choice

its so bad

its complexity with no value

completely worthless

[potent pivot]

if you can't make the hero trees without major bugs, do not make them

[severe helm]

preach

[potent pivot]

the base talent trees of every spec in the game still had bugs

in many cases still do

and instead of fixing them, they rework, add more things, adding more and more bugs lmao

assa in pve rn can be spamming CT and never pressing FoK in AoE

because CT is still modified as a finisher and a bleed lmao

[severe helm]

I think they are struggling in part because the developers are lacking some understanding of how the specs play in reality

[potent pivot]

same with internal bleeding

[severe helm]

it feels like there isnt much player experience on the dev teams rn

[potent pivot]

they recently found in sims that internal bleeding is a 15% damage talent

which is utterly insane

[gleaming sentinel]

I feel the same

It was just weird they went 1 button rotation and very shortly after pruned everything

[severe helm]

thats SO MUCH

[potent pivot]

ye its kinda broken

CT spreads IB

because CT is coded as you casting new ruptures

based on the combo points spent on the original rupture you're CTing

IB duration doesn't change, but the damage is modified by the points spent on the rupture

[spring bough]

Waiting for LFR to pop takes soooo long lol

Tryna get a helm or hands to complete this 4 set lol

[potent pivot]

can just catalyze another conq piece tmrw

[raven quiver]

Did you spend your cats charges?

[spring bough]

Yeah I spent them all lol

[spring bough]

Just want this achieve done with lol

[potent pivot]

it will be done tmrw bro 😭

idk i am way too lazy to farm pve tier fk allat

[spring bough]

That’s a whole 24 hours though

[potent pivot]

not even !

[potent pivot]

surely zenith doesn't count as a hit combo

rsk->rsk->dead lol

[molten hedge]

It does

The stomp I think but it registers as zenith for the hit combo tracker

[potent pivot]

lol thats crazy af

[molten hedge]

Yee

Fuck ww lol

[potent pivot]

because it resets rsk

lmao

[molten hedge]

Mhm

[potent pivot]

another funny thing is like

i see zero white damage on this breakdown

but supposedly using a 2h 'hits harder' for ww

how

[molten hedge]

I’ve been RSK zenith RSK strike of the WindLord blackout kick and RWK if it procs. So much

[potent pivot]

in pve they go 1h's

[molten hedge]

Hmm that’s odd

[potent pivot]

i'm very ignorant of how weapon types effect other classes

but thats something i want to learn

[molten hedge]

I just thought the double enchants was better for 1hs in general

[potent pivot]

on ladder ww weps are very split

26 ppl use staff, 22 ppl use 1h's

[molten hedge]

Maybe for the mog 😂

[severe helm]

Yeaaaaaaaaah

[potent pivot]

idk i would assume enchants on 1h's are better too

[severe helm]

All the ww players who said the nerfs will make it bad

Fuck them

Every single one

Liars

[molten hedge]

Nah it’s stupid asf still

Ya ik a r1 ww and he was like these are substantial

💀

Oook

[potent pivot]

they kinda were ngl

they were big nerfs just

need a smidge more

[molten hedge]

Makes it more aggregious

Like mw wasn’t enough

I love getting ww rerollers that fall over

Bc it’s not the easiest class to live on

Gotta pre shit

[potent pivot]

ye i really don't mind ww being good

feels like an easier meta to deal with than a lot of others lmao

maybe i'm just scarred from all the ret and hunter metas

MW feels like the most egregious thing atm

Priest damage also

[gleaming sentinel]

Fotm windwalkers love getting kidney’d and dying

[potent pivot]

Welp

Unless we get a post in the next 10min

We’re likely not getting tuning this week

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea kinda surprising tbh. But outlaw gonna eat good in shuffle if it stays like this

[severe helm]

I just don't like any meta where I need to fear for my life with my healer actively channeling heals into me

[wet parcel]

I can’t remember where I saw the post, but blizz said something along the lines of doing another tuning pass for the .5 patch on the 21st.

So another week of world of monkcraft

[spring bough]

1 hour LFR Que 😂

[spring bough]

well im waiting till tomorrow for 4 set RIP

dont think there are any like that... would be cool if there were

[graceful ravine]

Leveled my 2nd rogue to 81 and said fuck it I rather wait til week 11 for outlaw

[spring bough]

outlaw just rips on temple so good

[potent pivot]

The 21st is when the .5 patch drops

Tuning gets announced the week in advance typically so

Either they announce it next week, or they announce it the week of the 21st and we don’t get it for an extra week

Would be dope but no blizzard does not do dope things unfort

[potent pivot]

Imo CDs should net CDs

[severe helm]

I agree

[potent pivot]

If the enemy presses on you and you and your healer don’t press, you dying is proper

[severe helm]

If you can kill through defensives

Without the enemy healer in cd

Games broken

Ww is currently at that level

20% Dr is the biggest I have

[potent pivot]

Just because your healer isn’t CCed and is casting heals doesn’t necessarily mean you should live

[severe helm]

If I have a defensive up

It should

If you can kill without cc when the enemy trades defensives the game is broken

[potent pivot]

Depending on the defensive but ye

[severe helm]

Yeah ofc

Desperate prayer isn't gonna save you

I've had people die through pain sup

While I'm CRANKIGN into them

Game is bad if that's happening

Objectively

[potent pivot]

Yea ik but let’s be real should’ve been done 10 years ago

When they let us mog glaives like they should have since legion

Then we’ll be on our way to dopeness

[potent pivot]

Priest bad

Do damage

[severe helm]

Bro 40% Dr haha

Bad game

[potent pivot]

Priest topping damage meters

Is ridiculous

[severe helm]

I'm not even playing that build

IDC about its damage it's irrelevant most of the time

Cuz it's just rot

Rot doesn't kill right now

[potent pivot]

It’s just a bad look for the game

[severe helm]

Yeah I agree

It's the bad build too

No one plays it

It's healing is too low

[potent pivot]

I swear I see a lot of ppl play it

[severe helm]

You can check the rankings

The other build does damage too

It's just all sw pain

Just rot spread

Cuz penance spreads it to pets

It's just there to feed atonement

Doesn't actually kill anything

You also have a small burst with death on both builds

But mw honestly does more real damage than disc lowkey

But as soon as damp gets past like 25% disc just loses

Can't keep up

They have trouble balancing disc damage and atonement at the same time

[potent pivot]

ye i mean ik the rankings

just feel like i see a lot of priests playing it on ladder anyway

and in a lot of shuffle matches i watch especially

[spring bough]

2/2 dispatcher dmg on temple

dispatch chunks ngl

[outer sky]

Down goes Weedtyler

[severe helm]

Yeah possibly it's also the more fun build imo so you might see people playing it just for shits

It works if the enemy has no ranged kick or not a lot of cc

Like into double melee

[spring bough]

3k Cr already LOL

[outer sky]

he has a rogue even higher rated than that

[molten hedge]

got weps of conquest

is it 2 haste vers swords

or haste vers sword and crit vers dagger for law

at 24% haste in pvp already

[potent pivot]

dagger offhand

you filthy fotm reroller

[gleaming sentinel]

[molten hedge]

im just having some fun

😄

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-cooper-andrew-dance-cooper-dance-feeling-dance-dance-gif-4719076827571292026

[spring bough]

disgusting

[potent pivot]

tuning posted

L0l

[stiff cedar]

idr if its really tuning posted cause that's in the 12.0.5 next tuesday not tmrw

[molten hedge]

yup spot on!!!

[potent pivot]

just making a joke

because this is kind of a joke

[stiff cedar]

i meant idk* so i didn't even troll right lmao

it is

it means we sit with ww fire mw for a full week lmao

i haven't followed the ptr notes too clsoely but i haven't really seen nerfs to anything in them

[potent pivot]

mostly buffs

including frost mage

and the ww changes look like a buff too kinda

but idk even their ptr posts are a fucking mess

full of changes that were reverted n shit

[grave basin]

Sv getting 4% agi and pack leader buffs

[potent pivot]

yee

[stiff cedar]

pretty sure i saw that crackle and soothing mist will no longer require a proc to be cast while moving that'll just be baseline behavior now or something like that

which isn't the biggest deal bc whether you're stationary or moving either you open up your tree to kicks or you don't, but i did crack up at seeing MW QoL changes like ah yes just what the doctor ordered

[gleaming sentinel]

games fine, pay your sub

[spring bough]

Time for trickz to que up outlaw

[graceful ravine]

what is the fastest way to lvl up alts

[potent pivot]

#1478034741302399250

either spam the shadowguard delve if its on the calamitous variant, or get the addon 'follow the arrow' and use it

[graceful ravine]

thanks

[potent pivot]

Can’t make me nanananabooboo

https://tenor.com/view/disney-lion-king-simba-na-na-na-make-face-gif-16724106

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot these old ass players need to stop playing

guy isnt even trying to do anything besides ice lance and blocks in starting room

i was 4-0 before he was on my team and just did 0 damage and block in gate and after gate opens on last round

[rough rock]

probably has no idea whats going on with those half screen sized giant ass healthbars

[hybrid sapphire]

got a new gpu AND a new cpu im certainly gonna get glad this time right guys

[wet parcel]

Only if you’re outlaw

[hybrid sapphire]

whos that

[potent pivot]

jah?

[potent pivot]

ivan's are even bigger bro 😭

[jaunty osprey]

ya

[jaunty osprey]

wym

ive reduced it quite some time ago smh

[potent pivot]

he's doing 10k dps 😭

[jaunty osprey]

A LOT SMALLER THAN JAHS

[jaunty osprey]

and then the instablock at start of next round

[potent pivot]

they look the same to me not gonna liee

but yea thats joke behavior ig

dude has kinda become a meme for a long time now

[abstract stratus]

blinding the legsweep in a half frame lets go

[stoic spruce]

Nice

[abstract stratus]

id be lieing if i said i planned that.

[jaunty osprey]

im not making it smaller than 2 smh

also i played way more zoomed out

so it doesnt look as bad

[jaunty osprey]

a lot of old heads are the same

[potent pivot]

[abstract stratus]

my plates are pretty big i thought

[jaunty osprey]

you cant make it 1.5

even with cvar

[potent pivot]

think u can control it better with uhh

you know

[jaunty osprey]

no

[potent pivot]

those evil thingies

[jaunty osprey]

i am not

using those things

[potent pivot]

hahahah

[abstract stratus]

[jaunty osprey]

raider.io and details is my highest addon memory usage

[abstract stratus]

ivan gets rank 1 playing on an as400 guys leave him alone

[potent pivot]

i just can't stand the debuffs on base frames

horrendous ngl

[potent pivot]

details is terrible

[abstract stratus]

ivans pc

[potent pivot]

using details but won't use a plate addon

pretty sure my platy barely uses any resources

[jaunty osprey]

my pc is kinda ass

[potent pivot]

compared to raiderio/details

mine is too

fr

[jaunty osprey]

and a 3070

[potent pivot]

bro

u

i cba

[jaunty osprey]

only 32gb of ram

[potent pivot]

'kinda ass'

[jaunty osprey]

LOL

[potent pivot]

stfu bruh

[jaunty osprey]

nah it isnt ass i know

[potent pivot]

[abstract stratus]

someone go download bbp for ivan while hes sleeping

[compact moat]

does the set changes when you swap specialization ?

[abstract stratus]

[jaunty osprey]

bro i cant use too many addons

just incase

[compact moat]

do you guys know if the gear set changes when we change spec or does it stay?

[jaunty osprey]

assa and sub can use the same gear

outlaw needs its own gear

[abstract stratus]

You use mydrs right? been looking for a good way to track mine

[jaunty osprey]

yes!

[abstract stratus]

mir is really thinking about what hes gonna say

[lone jasper]

It seems its first time for a long time when rogue players cant decide what spec to play

[abstract stratus]

there it is

[jaunty osprey]

that's a good problem to have

[compact moat]

is this going to change if let say i swap to outlaw?

[jaunty osprey]

yes!

[compact moat]

oh thats cool ok

so its always worth getting set

[jaunty osprey]

when you change to outlaw, you'll see the outlaw tier bonus!