pvp

[stoic spruce]

With all these WWs and shit running around

[dark stump]

at this point we will get all the color

[stoic spruce]

I want blue!

@potent pivot wake me when bloo

[dark moon]

Whaazz shuffling as outlaw atm, if anyone's interested

[dark stump]

this bit** speak still too much

[dark moon]

Make her not go out of her way yo step onto packs i want to skip while being stealthed

[novel karma]

Great shout-out, wanted to see an outlaw pvp stream

[last jasper]

Lmao

[dark stump]

i play dk on delves , and i hate the fact that i tank less than when in TWW

rogue rlly strong to skip

[dark moon]

If she doesn't decide to pull everything

[last jasper]

She doesn't want you to get bored 🤣

[dark stump]

maybe i should try pve in my rogue ? but raid rolling and the lack of loot just disgust me

[novel karma]

You should it's fun!

[dark stump]

all raid boss in lfr 0 loot

[stoic spruce]

Boooo

Poopy set

[dark stump]

cool on void elf

my rogue is a void elf

[novel karma]

That set is a 7/10, it's alright

[dark stump]

the only reason i'm doing pvp on dk

[stoic spruce]

Idk what happened, blizz can't make good head pieces anymore

[novel karma]

For rogue?

[stoic spruce]

In general

They're mostly a miss

[novel karma]

I feel like previous expansion stuff was great

[stoic spruce]

What I like about this set is the shoulders aren't skulls again

[dark moon]

Sub got shredded

In Oscar's lobby

[dark stump]

mage elite set is ok/good , but still the bare foot , blizz rlly need therapy at this point

doesn't evoker set look like a shammy tier set ?

feel like i already seen this set in old expansion

[potent pivot]

wasn't most of that rebuffed

[dark stump]

true

[potent pivot]

[dark stump]

guess why i lost

[stoic spruce]

In pve

That wall of buffs all had (not applied to pvp)

Or w/e

[potent pivot]

i see through ur liez

[stoic spruce]

=(

Wat da hale

[potent pivot]

Idk

Wish dk was better too

Very surprised frost has shown up in the awc tho

What’s up with that

[stoic spruce]

Is it Mes?

He's always on Frost methinks

[potent pivot]

I think it was more than just mes

Even in eu

[stoic spruce]

Frost is also decent rn ()

Better than unholy frfr

[potent pivot]

Idk I thought all we would see is ww/sham, ret/warr, sub rmp type shit

But now it’s all outlaw and random ass specs

[stoic spruce]

It's so over...

[potent pivot]

Nerf outlaw

[stoic spruce]

It's SO OVER

I just looked

ITS EVERYWHERE

[vague comet]

can someoen tell me what to do

please

i cant win ar ound

[warped gate]

Zug.

If that doesn't work, zug harder.

[abstract stratus]

borugg?

[vague comet]

i fail to understand

how rogue is better in shuffle

than war or ret

when everyone fucks up ur stun drs

[warped gate]

Hitting really, really hard as Sub is definitely a positive.

[abstract stratus]

the last 3 subs i went against hit as hard as a child hitting a brick wall

[warped gate]

First one I've seen since they got nerfed.

[stoic spruce]

first roll of the day

[spring bough]

Savor it

[stoic spruce]

and then a sea of 2 of a kinds

[warped gate]

He got mogged, as expected, but he did something where he almost one shot a guy one round.

[potent pivot]

?

[abstract stratus]

anyone know why he got banned for sure?

[potent pivot]

...no...

not anyone's place either

[abstract stratus]

idek about the player himself just that its screws bicmex over

[potent pivot]

ye they have to find/practice with a new healer now

[stoic spruce]

does escape not close all windows for yall anymore?

[potent pivot]

it does

[stoic spruce]

what da helly

[potent pivot]

some addon windows don't

[stoic spruce]

it doesnt even bring up the menu

gotta be an addon thing

[potent pivot]

weird

[stoic spruce]

it'll close it though

oh weird

all addons are disabled and it still happens

[abstract stratus]

i wish someone would recraft my shit in trade chat

[warped gate]

The duality of man.

[abstract stratus]

always warriors

[spring bough]

Outlaw life

[stoic spruce]

yeah idk

it works now

these bots in training grounds are 1-shotting me

[dark kernel]

when my guildy says I did a good setup in 3s

https://giphy.com/gifs/northernireland-northern-ireland-james-martin-steven-davis-KRjg7U1ajXFmif7SBK

[stoic spruce]

immediately favorited that one

[severe helm]

I'm low-key avoiding more add-ons right now my game has been running like shit since I tried out that arenacoach addon lol

I uninstalled it but it's still been fucked

[abstract stratus]

focus cheap worth binding on sin rogue tou think?

my current bindings are pretty schizo already so idek where id put it

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot if I pvp and pve, should I take the L in PvE or take the ring

hmmmm

not ring

ignore that question, I have a better idea

[jolly sierra]

the gold

[severe helm]

focus all cc is worth it yeah

imo

whats the loss

if you dont like it dont press it

might as well have the bind

[abstract stratus]

Rn f garrote is where my f cheap would be

[dark moon]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[dark moon]

i clicked on the trading post, my game crashed and

bruh...

[graceful ravine]

WW looks really fun to play

but odds of them being nerfed is high

[ocean thunder]

Is arachnoweave still best embellishment for assa ?

Did level my nelf and I got to do the whole gearing again

[stoic spruce]

the 2 rogue arechtypes

(left is the cool one)

[sleek belfry]

cause right can’t afford cooler tabard

not in final form

[hollow carbon]

Consider doing a complete rebind and suffer 3-4 weeks. These are really weird binds tbh. You do play with naga or?

[terse cedar]

(fact)

[stoic spruce]

yeah he gets it

[abstract stratus]

Yea I just added the 123 binds but most of the time I use my naga with the 123 on the naga bound to f123

[terse cedar]

you either get it or you dont

[abstract stratus]

I refuse to use alt and ctrl modifiers because it confuses me too much but I played up to 2450 ish the last three seasons just tryna min max

[hollow carbon]

I see a lot of weak keybinds, for example having kidney on Shift-7 and deathmark on Q. Very interesting choices. I feel like you might have played another class or PVE before where these come from?

[abstract stratus]

I’ve only ever played rogue. 7, shift 7 are meant to mimic my binding for non focus cheap and kidney and q has always been my “big dam” cooldown binding

Shift 7 is focus kidney

[hollow carbon]

Ah well, if they are comfortable for you why not I guess 😁

[abstract stratus]

The real question is is it worth cheaping your focus target playing sin when we get so few opportunities to use cheap period since kidney is typically gonna get used on kt most of the time

Just min max theory shit since we cheap shot the least out of the three specs now

[hollow carbon]

To me it is worth it and always was. Vanish, focus cheap, step target garrote/kidney is a usual pattern or even focus step cheap on heal after vanish is one of the most used sequences I do

[abstract stratus]

#Bring back indiscriminate carnage then I never needed focus garrote lol focus garrote has thrown a wrench in my bindings lol

[hollow carbon]

Oh you play rogue in arena since indiscriminate carnage. Well you could optimize a lot of bindings and optimize these in my eyes.

Simplest one is having CC on a key and the shift modifier for focus. That’s super easy to remember. Then making usual combos being effortless to press. E.g. I have shadow step on Q, kick on E, kidney on R and cheap on C. I can press every combo while pressing W. That’s one example

There is a really good keybind guide on YouTube by skillcapped if you are interested

Otherwise I would recommend removing keybinds for kick arena 1,2,3. As melee you rarely use these

[molten hedge]

Yeah having the focus modifier of the same bind is huge that’s how I remember everything on diff classes bc I play too many

[gleaming sentinel]

trill outlaw

[spring bough]

nerfs inc

[gleaming sentinel]

they lost rip

[spring bough]

phew we are safe then

[dark moon]

outlaw seems on steroid

did it get overbuffed

i mean UNDERbuffer, Blizzard

[lone jasper]

I’ve been reading 90% of outlaws whining in this channel. come on guys, enjoy the buffs, embrace the moment 😄

[jaunty osprey]

This just goes to show that every1 needs to stop thinking that it’s sub or nothing

Cheap shot spam not as important as people think

if you can do damage

[lone jasper]

Assa feels also fine, outlaw good, sub-good, we are happy community 😁 none of other classes have all spec feel so fine. 😁

[outer sky]

The amount of damage youd need to do in order for it to eclipse the utility value sub brings would be broken

If assa/outlaw have genuinely overtuned damage then they can be competitive

but youre still playing a pseudo warrior spec and you're still entirely reliant on blizz overtuning damage

[rough rock]

^

[outer sky]

@jaunty osprey do we press Ambush at all anymore?

with your mut build?

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s honestly so tiresome. lol. Outlaw feels good to me

[jaunty osprey]

Never

[outer sky]

awesome

unbinding it

[molten hedge]

yea i mean before they nerfed sub 16 times you didnt evne have to stun that much

sec tec doing 50% of ppls hp lmfao

[scarlet nest]

Trill violating people in AWC

[terse cedar]

Im watching the AWC, is trill extremely good? theyre talking about him like hes the goat, and if so why is he so good

[outer sky]

He won Blizzcon

[gleaming sentinel]

The loa of dmg

[terse cedar]

hes him then

[scarlet nest]

mr warcraft

[outer sky]

He's been carrying Cdew for years he must be good

[gleaming sentinel]

World first champ and Blizzcon winner. Dudes a goat dmg dealer

And when Sam is on, he’s arguably the best Pvp moonkin in the game

[outer sky]

Being overtuned can alaways carry. Anyone saying having cheap shot nerfed to 1 every 2 minutes from being spammable every 2m AND off of re-stealths is 10000000000000000000000% coping

[terse cedar]

do he stream? or just a great player who just plays

[gleaming sentinel]

He does I’m pretty sure. Trilltko or something like that

[lone jasper]

He plays both pve and pvp

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m like trill except I do aotc and shuffle elite

He does world first and Blizzcon

[outer sky]

For fucks sake

[gleaming sentinel]

Suffering from success

[outer sky]

my mmr is only like 2.9k thats not even super high rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Nah that’s unemployed mmr now buddy. Gotta wait til late at night

The gamers aren’t awake yet

[terse cedar]

how tf are people even doing SO much damage with outlaw, when I have been playing it ive just barely been keeping up with other dps

[gleaming sentinel]

Prob focusing too much on cc lol

[dark moon]

that last game on hook point

inc nerfs to rm

[stoic spruce]

This part has been killing me

[severe helm]

He's a rwf player too

Long long time high performing player across multiple specs in both pvp and pve

Not many players in the game have done that

He's def one of the goats

[outer sky]

Queue finally popped after an hour and a half and we won!

[brisk hinge]

conquest uncap when?

[jolly sierra]

dude season barely started 3 weeks ago

[brisk hinge]

we are already on 4k, for how long does it go?

[jolly sierra]

5 more months

[potent pivot]

It’s usually week 11 so

Gonna be a while lol

[graceful ravine]

outlaw topping the charts in AWC

hmm

[spring bough]

dungeon leveling gets so boring

[jolly sierra]

i wasted timewalking

so just gotta farm gold for now

[brisk hinge]

there's no way i'm levelling an alt

[potent pivot]

Lvling alts it quite ez

[jaunty osprey]

Usually 2 weeks after .5

Is what they say

[abstract stratus]

ivan drop keybinds

[gleaming sentinel]

Grats. I think I’m 1-1 so far. Been pve’ing

[jaunty osprey]

How does this help u

[abstract stratus]

we were talking about keybinds earlier lol

[outer sky]

You have to hit like 2300-2400 mmr before anything even matters because below that your team will be so clueless its just a coin flip as to who will win

I'm 17-9

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m well aware my friend rofl

[jaunty osprey]

1-5
Alt 1-5
Ctrl 1-5
Shift 1-4

Mouse wheel up and down
Alt mouse wheel up and dowl
Ctrl mouse wheel up and down

R, T, A, S, D, F, G, C, V

alt and ctrl of the above letters

[gleaming sentinel]

Last season in the final week I went from 1700-3k

[jaunty osprey]

is what I use

[abstract stratus]

you move with qwe?

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

[abstract stratus]

word ive been seeing that allot

[graceful ravine]

why is outlaw always so popular in AWC but is the least played spec in ladder

happened for a few seasons now

[fathom crag]

got giga buffed every week

[acoustic junco]

Because outlaw has the most stamina/health of all the rogue specs. Awc is more about not dying than anything

[potent pivot]

It’s just an unpopular spec

[gleaming sentinel]

One of my friends plays it as an alt and is like: “do you just afk if you 1 roll or what?”

[potent pivot]

This current iteration is probably the least popular outlaw has been in a long time too

[gleaming sentinel]

It’s got a weird identity right now, not sure if that makes sense tho

[potent pivot]

Every time they tweak, fix and get outlaw into its most fun iterations they ruin the shit as soon as possible

[vague cedar]

we went from df giga fun to full on despair in midnight

[livid grove]

I suck but i've noticed that the highest level rogue players favor control and survivablility. Sub is the most popular spec right now cuz scary bust makes most people, like me, panic. But people that can play outlaw well use the high mobility and survivablity with a good amount of Vers cuz they arent playing damage game.

[graceful ravine]

vanish cdr with outlaw in SL was the most hilarious version of outlaw

infinite evasions and double kidney windows

[potent pivot]

Not quite

Sub has insane survivability

Outlaw is honestly lacking a bit in that department

Compared to the past

Outlaw just seems to have high consistent dmg now and subs been nerfed again and again and again

[livid grove]

Hmm, I guess what I might be seeing then is that it just takes a higher level player to get the most out of Outlaw. But that little bit end up making the difference in the right hands.

[rough rock]

It looks like max level with crafts and high ass vers just sends outlaws survivability to the moon

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty sure they’re also using a tank embellishment on outlaw in awc rn

[graceful ravine]

i wanna play outlaw but it might be too late to swap specs due to gear

shrug

[potent pivot]

Just saying

[livid grove]

Thats Hilarious

[potent pivot]

they're also using avoidance kek

a lot of stuff you just wouldn't do on live basically

seems NA outlaws are using a raid ring that procs shield on taking shadow damage?

iirc EU outlaws were using a tank embellishment for an absorb

[severe helm]

Preach brother

Tbh SL outlaw was quite fun

And DF too after s3

So it had quite a few good seasons for a bit there

And yeah I think with how the balance is and cc is right now just having consistent pressure can be really valuable

Cuz all it takes is having someone at like 60% when you land a cc

And they can die

Time to kill is so low right now it seems like people aren't even doing big cross cc or anything

Just one well timed cc on a healer can secure a kill if you have enough pressure

[potent pivot]

the fact they aren't playing sub in awc after the opening of this season

should speak volumes on how terrible balancing has been imo

sub is so strong and broken yet the only ones playing it are the hardcore mains, once again

how surprising... not

Blizzard caves too hard to the crying of people like @severe helm

[terse cedar]

[severe helm]

Sometimes the good guys win what can I say

[spring bough]

So is sub S tier or ass

[severe helm]

Idk it seemed to be winning

[last jasper]

38 sec game...

[potent pivot]

You’re the green goblin in this story bud

[potent pivot]

Skill gap+playing directly into a counter comp I think

[last jasper]

I mean 70k jeez.
They were 1%hp away from losing next 2 games straight

Also, what was stopping Blizzard from giving us spec icons on nameplates? And it shows cc...

[potent pivot]

Prolly just not something everyone would use

Idk

[molten hedge]

I didn’t know aoe blind is back

For all 3 specs?

Only interested in rmp to cover mages

[potent pivot]

In .5

[molten hedge]

Is cd still 1 min?

[potent pivot]

It’ll be part of the talent again

Idk

[molten hedge]

The CDR to like 25 secs?

Oh ok

[potent pivot]

It changes again

Ik that much

[molten hedge]

Oh ok

Gouge still too good I just like the idea of blind poly mages

Why did feint get nerfed for outlaw. Was that something that got nerfed before the other cdr and then never buffed

[potent pivot]

..ya

[molten hedge]

Smfh

Shame

[potent pivot]

Deserved ngl

[molten hedge]

It doesn’t have vanish CDR right

[potent pivot]

Nop

[molten hedge]

The CDR on feint was pretty stupid

Looks like it has sprint CDR

Hook?

[potent pivot]

Google restless blades

It says everything effected now

[molten hedge]

Gotcha

[potent pivot]

Who won that last match up I missed the last round

[severe helm]

Whatever you say Dr octopus

[molten hedge]

Z rated

If they 3-2 they win right it doesn’t go to a 6th game?

[potent pivot]

Lame

[potent pivot]

Yeah only finals require more iirc

[molten hedge]

Ok so yeah they beat Nahj n them

It might’ve been even less close if z rated had gone mw instead of press

Pres

Earlier

[potent pivot]

Yeah Pres is pretty iffy rn

[molten hedge]

For sure

Nahj ate hella traps too. He barely missed eating the game winning trap it was pixels

Any time I step healer I never eat them lmao

[terse cedar]

where do you find the .5 changes?

[potent pivot]

Idk

They haven’t been putting the whole list of changes in the latest .5 announcement posts

If u google it

Should just be the first wowhead link

We aren’t really getting anything noteworthy

Just the new Mark for Death

[wet parcel]

Trill pumping on outlaw

[proven field]

content creators scrambling to update their tier lists

[potent pivot]

Supa was right all along bud

Everyone here memed his list

[rough rock]

anything to watch cdew lose

[proven field]

You almost just need two tier lists... a "I am a glad player and AWC will be run with this" and "everybody else" separate tier list

[potent pivot]

Not really doing anything else worth a damn tho

[wet parcel]

He switched to sub and they won 😂

[potent pivot]

Yep

[steep gate]

do we know if this stacks with troll racial?

[potent pivot]

It should yeah but rogue isn’t really a class that needs either of them

[steep gate]

i see

[potent pivot]

We don’t even run the talent generally speaking

[steep gate]

right right, ok thanks!

[wet parcel]

Idk looks like a few people run it. Probably against DKs and hunters.

[rough rock]

feel like this china team gonna steam roll everyone

[potent pivot]

It’s generally a “set and forget” talent choice

The talent is pretty ass

[dark kernel]

I have a guild mate whining about rogues and MW. But poor dude had to reroll DH because Ret was too conplicated

[potent pivot]

I don’t think a single person is swapping that talent point around based on comps

[dark kernel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150205404270313595/1214198108268003348/image0.gif

[potent pivot]

Bro huh

Buh… wuh?

[dark kernel]

That's what his key hitting looks like

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025818597932666921/1215486209669988362/SmartSelect_20240307_210600_Twitch.gif

This is his spriest

[potent pivot]

He just slams all his binds at once? lol

[dark kernel]

Yea

On a razer naga

[pastel burrow]

He's him

Hes John Warcraft

[wet parcel]

Using a razer naga, but everything bound to the same button.

[proven field]

ziqo just streaming from his kitchen like he's gotta make sure the pasta doesnt burn

[outer sky]

Ret was too complicated? Bro my grandmother could play it. And shes dead

[wet parcel]

The hardest part of ret is pushing sanc when miniCC tells you to

[last jasper]

Idk, a lot of ppl are using spec icons from bbp. At least add it as an option. Literally a player frame with a big debuff but as a nameplate. Damn, I want it...

[abstract stratus]

What are our predictions for whose gonna take w for awc are we gonna get a gators back/ dire wolves rematch?

[potent pivot]

That or zhangs team

[abstract stratus]

Kalvi boy gonna take it again I’m betting my bundle of broccoli now

[potent pivot]

Ye it helps them a lot atm that they can kinda play sub or outlaw

They just don’t have a mage for their sub tho

[abstract stratus]

Does dzd not play sub?

[potent pivot]

If kalv went haste build with sp they’d guarantee the championship win

[rough rock]

Let the haste build die

[potent pivot]

But he is a haste detractor

[abstract stratus]

Oh true wiz is a member of this team that has yet to play LMAO

[potent pivot]

Why would I ever do that

[rough rock]

Embrace full mastery

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure he played

[rough rock]

Like your ancestors

[abstract stratus]

Oh ur right he played a game last awc ?

[potent pivot]

Think he mainly plays outlaw but prob both idk

[abstract stratus]

I’m vaguely remembering

[potent pivot]

A couple days ago

[abstract stratus]

Oh Ive got the stupid

[potent pivot]

Pretty sure I remember kalv played sub with sp in something

[abstract stratus]

I know wiz absterge and pika played rps for memes and it went as well as you’d think

[potent pivot]

I will never become pvp dumb dumb brain

[rough rock]

I notice in the last game the sub wasn’t running double vanish

But I didn’t have time to check the build

[abstract stratus]

Prolly cb

[potent pivot]

Trill? Pretty sure he plays tea

No idea why

[rough rock]

I can see cb ig but tea sounds so weird

[outer sky]

I think assa needs another buff

Not seeing any in awc

[abstract stratus]

Tea seems insane

Shhh

Stop that @outer sky

[outer sky]

Cold Blood is hilariously bad

[abstract stratus]

I mean considering how sub has zero energy issues tea seems equally dense

[outer sky]

You take double vanish

Its a defensive

A root break

And for sub

[abstract stratus]

Yes I agree

[outer sky]

Its also a shadowstep

[abstract stratus]

We are talking about cb vs tea if no double vanish

[rough rock]

Yeah but tea sounds even dumber

Then again I’m not a AWC player

[outer sky]

I disagree. I think if you dont take double vanish Tea is still better than cold blood

Neither are good

Cold blood is useless

[rough rock]

Why would energy be a problem though

[outer sky]

There have been a small handful of times where I didnt have dance but needed to extend healer CC or stun/gouge somebody so my teammate could finish off the Kill Target but was too energy starved to do it

Tea at least helps in those situations

Cold Blood does nothing

[abstract stratus]

Rip on use cb

[rough rock]

Ah I can see that ig. Just figured they’d run double vanish

[outer sky]

I miss it being a PvP talent. I loved it lol

[abstract stratus]

We all agree double vanish is the recognized optimal talent choice there

[rough rock]

Yes but we were talking about trill in AWC

[abstract stratus]

Last season cb was my favorite button to press

[outer sky]

Did you play when it was a sub only pvp talent?

[abstract stratus]

I got into PvP in shadowlands briefly but played heavily during tww and skipped dragon flight because my son was born so I don’t really remember when that was a thing

[outer sky]

Used to make your first global from stealth (or dance or subterfuge) just do a flat 10% of the targets maximum health

Including cheap shot

[abstract stratus]

EW

[outer sky]

You open with cheap shot and they're already 90%

[abstract stratus]

that’s gross

I like it

[outer sky]

It also wasnt reduced by vers

[abstract stratus]

So you always had a 10 execute in theory

%*

[outer sky]

If a target had 10% hp left and you didnt have dance You could literally vanish>cheap and kill them lmao

Well cold blood was a 1m CD

Or maybe 45s I dont remember

But still

[abstract stratus]

Smack the shit out of the mage coming out of block thinking he’s gonna just blink the stun lol

Side note, I’ve had multiple sub rogues in my sin games that egg, is double rogue just not winnable rn as sin?

[outer sky]

Theyre probably upset with you for stunning people

Which i get

When im on a team with a sub rogue i try not to stun anything unless im absolutely sure it wont mess them up

[abstract stratus]

They flail pretty bad and don’t communicate who they are going so I’m just vibing

[outer sky]

Yeah i mean thats just shuffle

[abstract stratus]

I try to give them tricks and cover their go but they just do no dam

And then they flop when they’re against me so idk

[outer sky]

Make your life easier and just macro tricks to your kidney shot

[abstract stratus]

Already done because notrickz told me to lol

[rough rock]

https://youtu.be/mtv_QpbeM8s?si=4YjTgnXu6MxAMFk9

W dalaran

[outer sky]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-shades-off-poop-pile-jeff-goldblum-ian-malcolm-gif-17408803

[rough rock]

Um sir it’s in AWC that means it’s the best spec

Noob

[outer sky]

Idk if he told you this too but there's a handy addon called DynamicMacros that will automatically update your tricks/kidney macro with the name of your dps teammate whenever you load into the arena

Huge QoL

[rough rock]

Also I thought you were gonna play some outlaw a while ago

[abstract stratus]

I use framesort for that

All my macros are goofy framesort macros for healer step and all that

[outer sky]

I did. Its fine in BGs but in arena I cant stand not having step. It could be the most OP spec the game has ever seen and I still would hate it for the hook. Especially post speed nerf.

They need to put hook and step on a choice node for every rogue spec

[abstract stratus]

Did they ever elaborate why they slowed it down?

[outer sky]

No

It either was PvE focused or blitz focused

Because fatebound outlaw in blitz is kinda cracked on flag maps

4x hook

But there were better solutions than that

[abstract stratus]

Yea capping a flag in 20 seconds flat is cracked

[outer sky]

Still not as OP as evoker FCing with double breath

Cover 80% of the map while totally immune to all slows and all CC

Stunning everyone in your path

Every 50 seconds

[abstract stratus]

Giving it an 1.5-2 seconds internal cooldown could have helped slow it down

But yea all my homies hate the reptiles

[proven kayak]

Which spec you think is the best for solo shuffle for rogue and overall

[outer sky]

Sub

[proven kayak]

I enjoy it although sometimes in low rating that I am now 1,8 I feel like people fuck my goes with their random dr stuns

Some lobbies are hell to play

[outer sky]

Yeah thats kinda just rogue in general

Maybe outlaw if you want to deal with that the least

But its also bad

So you'll have other issues

[molten hedge]

IS IT

HUH

[potent pivot]

A lot of fotm ladder players are going to see outlaw in awc and swap

And they’re all going to be very surprised at how terribly they do lmao

Twitch chatters are insane

Hardstuck 2k but they’ll swap everything they’re doing if a streamer says it’s good

[molten hedge]

If someone’s 2k rn in shuffle they’re doing pretty fkn good lmao

Or do you mean a normal person who never got duelist

[dark kernel]

At the end of season 3 and 2 in the war within you started at 2000 rated

There was a pretty hefty amount of inflation

But yeah people are going to get filtered trying to play outlaw

[potent pivot]

I mean xp

[molten hedge]

If someone was never 2k I’m pretty sure they didn’t start at 2k. Maybe 2k MMR but that’s very diff from 2k cr

⬆️

[potent pivot]

Thought that was obvious

[molten hedge]

I saw Gennaro earlier on ret

Sec

The hunter main

[abstract stratus]

i saw a guy last season or the one before who got 1800 in shuffle on sin rogue after 2000 rounds

[molten hedge]

I played with a 1300 rdru from lfg yday

Who was 300-700 or 800 L’s

[abstract stratus]

why would you do that to yourself

[molten hedge]

In 2s

💀

Tbf 1300 2s games are probably fast asf

[wet parcel]

I hope everyone swaps to outlaw so I can cruise in shuffle

[spring bough]

first pull of random dungeon is a wipe.... tank says "i forgot a shield" and leaves lol

pally ofc

[potent pivot]

They practically did I’m pretty sure

Even on alt accounts you’d start at like a minimum of 1.8-1.9 mmr

[dark kernel]

Yeah the last week of each season it's been nearly 1980 rating

[abstract stratus]

my favorite bm as a sin rogue is when someone is full bleeds running and i throw knife them over and over into sudden demise range

[molten hedge]

Yea fs then ppl fall even harder lol

[potent pivot]

Huh

That’s practically the bottom of mmr

At the end of a season

[hybrid sapphire]

good evening rogues whats the good news

[potent pivot]

Good?

Hmm

[hybrid sapphire]

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

pretty sure the avg wow player is 1800

or less

[gleaming sentinel]

@potent pivot you know what addon this is ? Showing buff timer

[strange trellis]

Isnt that just the Cooldown Manager? You can turn it on in the options

[potent pivot]

I’m talking about the very end of a season

[potent pivot]

That’s just the blizzard CDM but you should get an addon to make it better than that

[gleaming sentinel]

As you can see I’ve done almost zero tinkering with that since prepatch rofl…

I just wanna be able to put my different combat buff nezt to my nameplate

[potent pivot]

When I get home a bit later I can show you how to make it really slick

You can customize it all a lot with addons

[potent pivot]

Assuming you mean your player frame?

[gleaming sentinel]

Yea

[molten hedge]

yea ive heard that stastitic that the avg wow player is 1800

whhen its all said n done

also which one of you motherfucking outlaws just trinketed a para at the beginning of a round vs my ww???

show yourself

[jolly sierra]

isn't average player 1k6?

[molten hedge]

It's somewhere around there

its deff not 2k lmao

[potent pivot]

Who said it was

[jolly sierra]

stats mostly, websites like drustvar had it at like 1k6

for average

[molten hedge]

cant give my sources

[potent pivot]

Not referring to you panda

Referring to the 2k thing

[jolly sierra]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

FUCK DUDE NEXT TIME SAY IT IN A REPLY LOLOL

[molten hedge]

shit man idk

[jolly sierra]

[rough rock]

finally got off blitz to do some shuffle on my outlaw lmao

[spring bough]

outlaw dmg kings

[rough rock]

8 BTE stacks

LOL

[compact moat]

for the galactic conquest

do you have to keep until 2500 conquest for the achievement?

[potent pivot]

naw

[compact moat]

so i can spend?

ah ok

[potent pivot]

yaw

its just 2500 conq earned on the season

[compact moat]

i see

thats awhile

i cant get a damn bg blitz on rogue

[potent pivot]

its pretty fast

can even just join a crate farm raid group

[compact moat]

for conquest?

[potent pivot]

mhm

[compact moat]

hmm

where you get that

[potent pivot]

you can get 0->2500 in like an hour or two

search "war crate farming" on youtube or something

people make raid groups and fly between each zone farming the war crates that spawn in each zone

[compact moat]

i see

how do you join it ? @potent pivot

sorry lol.. oh nvm you just join custom

[rotund mirage]

im 0-6 this week...so painful

[compact moat]

idk why but its so easy to get bg blitz on war

but not on rogue

what you spend honor on after you cap?

[rough rock]

for socket gear

[stiff cedar]

generally you want to get trinkets first, then work down in order of expensiveness, but if you're capped you'd just get full honor gear no

[stiff cedar]

oh for after honor geared mb yeah sockets

[compact moat]

whats socket gear

[stiff cedar]

you can buy sockets to add gems to your gear

for extra stats :)

[compact moat]

oh what do you buy for that

[proven field]

The most boss move ever would be let us play classic while in queues

[compact moat]

how come some ppl able to turn their pve gear into pvp

[rough rock]

Conquest vendor sells an items that lets people do that

[rough rock]

It’s one of the vendors at the pvp area

[compact moat]

whats it called?

[abstract stratus]

@jaunty osprey hi bud

i just got violated

bent me over turkish style

[jaunty osprey]

xd

your dmg meters def wrong though

this is scoreboard

[compact moat]

how do you convert veteran set gear into pvp gear ?

[potent pivot]

Have to buy the lacquer or varnish from the conquest vendor

[abstract stratus]

i just saw the name after the skirm and was like oh shit lol details sucks

[potent pivot]

Wait y’all ran into each other in a skirm of all places?

[abstract stratus]

ye lol

[jaunty osprey]

bahaha

i was testing a new build

before trying it in shuffle

[abstract stratus]

im fixing macros so im spamming skirms rn lol

[potent pivot]

[abstract stratus]

is this a better addon now btw because arena analytics is shit

[jaunty osprey]

i use reflex

[abstract stratus]

ima get that

[jaunty osprey]

https://addons.wago.io/addons/reflex-arenabattleground-historian

[potent pivot]

Reflex is on the wago app I think, if u have that

[stiff cedar]

reflex is back? hype

[jaunty osprey]

reflex has never been gone

[potent pivot]

Never left

[jaunty osprey]

was always on wago

[potent pivot]

Just isn’t on curse anymore

[stiff cedar]

ah

heard

[jaunty osprey]

if you cant find an addon, make sure to check wago as well as curseforged

[stiff cedar]

tbh ive just been using less in general this xpac

[potent pivot]

Curse takes so much shit down

Wago generally doesn’t

[stiff cedar]

so I never put much effort into it like when it went off curse I never even bothered with getting AA on

[compact moat]

you can turn this into pvp gear ?

[potent pivot]

Yes

[compact moat]

the vendor said voidspire set only

[potent pivot]

That is the voidspire set

[compact moat]

owh.. lol

[jaunty osprey]

oh wait

[potent pivot]

You’re gonna confuse him Ivan

[jaunty osprey]

buy this item

[compact moat]

i see i see

ty

[abstract stratus]

im in hell

this has been going on a while

[potent pivot]

Oof

[abstract stratus]

prot war won

[potent pivot]

Reminding me of rextroys new vid on his prot warr

L0l

Did u see that shit @jaunty osprey

[jaunty osprey]

ya i saw LOL

100% damp thing

[potent pivot]

Yeah with 2 pve tank trinkets lmao

Was disgusting how immortal he was into most stuff

Only frost mages being able to kill him should really say a lot about balancing atm

[abstract stratus]

ive been trying ctrl mod for focus target and its making me feel single digit iq

[proven field]

Dude may legit be a terrorist

[stoic spruce]

I love prot warr in an arena setting because bodyguard is such a cool idea

Rextroy is also my goat because he plays DK :3

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot xd assa dam

[stoic spruce]

Hell yeah

[potent pivot]

you shattered a glass pane. nice

jkjk

bet they weren't expecting all that

[jaunty osprey]

jahmilli on mage too xd

[severe helm]

jfc

ngl people prob have trouble knoiwing its happening

without was

[potent pivot]

he was also mid alter

which is hilarious

[potent pivot]

doesn't minicc have a pop up for DM

i'd assume so anyway

[severe helm]

maybe yeah if you set it up

but people lazy

[potent pivot]

is there even any 'set up' to minicc?

thought it only had positioning/styling settings

[severe helm]

idk I installed it

but not sure if I see deathmark haha

[abstract stratus]

is that the dtb build or the other one

[severe helm]

I prob do its just somewhere im not used to looking

[potent pivot]

the different builds aren't really going to change how much dmg DM->KB do

[potent pivot]

yeah you can't really customize what auras you see. you either have alerts on or off type shit

[severe helm]

yeah theyre pretty noisy too

[potent pivot]

but yea idek if DM is on the whitelisted auras

[severe helm]

like visually

[potent pivot]

yea

[severe helm]

I prefer less info

tbh

[potent pivot]

i turned the proc glow off

[severe helm]

yeah

fuck that shit

[potent pivot]

it looks really good, but its too much

[severe helm]

yeah hurts my eyes

[abstract stratus]

referring to this as my original source for the question being asked

[potent pivot]

he only has wound/cripp

in the clip

[abstract stratus]

he said he was testing a new build earlier so i assume something else must be different then if not dtb

[potent pivot]

looks like its just FB bleed build

[stoic spruce]

nerf sub

they still kill in a kidney

they make my chest hurt

[raven quiver]

trying to kill a frost mage as sub is a nightmare

[stoic spruce]

good

I hope it gets harder for you

[potent pivot]

They’re gonna nerf outlaw

With the reason “popo was being a dick”

[stoic spruce]

thats fine

as long as sub gets nerfed too

it gets nerfed after every AWC anyway

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[dark stump]

trying to kill a frost mage with any melee is a nightmare

[dark moon]

Im glad cdew is back from the slot machines. I live for those tweets

[stoic spruce]

where da lie doe

rm aint going anywhere

[dark moon]

nobody said hes lying doe

i love how he's crying about rm for 15+ years

especially rogues, he hates them with passion

[pastel burrow]

everyone needs a hobby

[dark moon]

word

[potent pivot]

its so weird because rmp is one of their best comps

i highly doubt we see ww/unh/rsham instead

[stoic spruce]

yeah its been OP for about that long

wrath was 2008

and it was like

halfway through it became strong

I cant remember which season though

[proven kayak]

When rmx isn’t strong meta is shit

[stoic spruce]

idk about that

Meta is good or bad regardless because RMX is always present

Outlaw damage is suspiciously good rn

now that im actually geared

...

this feels illegal

[spring bough]

so outlaw feels good

[stoic spruce]

no

we need old acro back

fuck you moroes

you bitch

[pastel burrow]

sometimes popo says the right things

my life for old acro

[stoic spruce]

if we had old acro itd be amazing

[spring bough]

its doing decent dmg ngl lol

[stoic spruce]

yeah its doing really good imo

if I stop playing like a rogue I pop off which I hate

[spring bough]

im just in every1s face bout to 6-0 my first shuffle in a minute lol

[stoic spruce]

nicee

im a teamfighter now

someone else can do objs

fuck em

"rogue get out of team fight"

No

[dark stump]

opinion ?

[stoic spruce]

Army?

imagine not having a disarm every 90 seconds

[dark stump]

the fact that dk got 2 ability listed as unplayable

against*

a 90sec cd burst

[stoic spruce]

dude

like

Sub just needs its CDs less frequently

[pastel burrow]

maybe in 14.3 when they finally revisit the rogue talent trees

and fuck them up some more

[dark stump]

last time they revisited a talent it was UDK

now dk feel like a chips with a sword

i play pve the moment i don't use death strike i find my health already mid

i love playing with people that doesn't understand english

my loss be like only 2 people mid to stop cap

half of the team proceed to go mid

and we still lose 4v2

[spring bough]

NEVER

[stoic spruce]

im a teamfight outlaw now

teamfight main*

[novel karma]

Gotta bladeflurry the enemy team

[scarlet nest]

comedy

reapers mark and army listed

also why is ray that high it’s kickable?

[stoic spruce]

someones gotta

[last jasper]

2 charges, can't los, can be casted through ice wall

[stoic spruce]

based

[last jasper]

Still won't stop the damage from the army itself and debuffs from ghouls.

I giggled that you can fear undead horsemen.

[stoic spruce]

the dmg comes from Forbidden knowledge, not the pets

[last jasper]

Which part, coil?

[stoic spruce]

yeah

blizz thought itd be funny if dk couldnt coil when disarmed

it kinda is tbh

[last jasper]

Lol, if I'm not mistaken it also can be silenced

But still, this shit lasts for 30 sec

[dark stump]

he can with death coil

if i'm not wrong

but he can't with necro coil

[stoic spruce]

necro coil is during burts

also ive been sitting in extremely long CC windows

burts...

[proven kayak]

idk sub feels not so good in shuffle

half lobbies are unplaayble

maybe a skill issue tho

[keen fractal]

sub does feel bad when you have people that just send rando stuns and mess up DRS for go

[stoic spruce]

yeah Sub gets better the higher you go

[keen fractal]

def feels alot better in non melee lobbies lol

especially when you dont have a ret on your team cause you know ret players and all

[dark moon]

I died to 1v1 open world to a ret earlier as sub

And it hurt my ego, ngl

Gets low bop

Gets low bubble

Gets low absorb of some kind

Gets low loh

The fuck

[stoic spruce]

preach king

uhmmm yeah

im just that good B)

[brazen forge]

Hello guys, I havent play the game since may 2023, do you have any addon that keep the combo point on top or bottom of the ennemy health bar ?

[severe solstice]

I use Betterblizzplates

[brazen forge]

It's crazy that it took blizzard 20 years to add a feature that allow you to customize your interface without having to code with lua

and it's crazy that they still havent figured out the combo point

thank bro

What do you use for diminish return cd ?

[dark moon]

Mydr

Midnightdr

[brazen forge]

bro.. I downloaded but no combo

WTF is blizzard doing seriously ?

is it too hard to create a decent UI without having to download and spend hours reading a documentation ???????=fsqd*$jpko^,

WTF are theyuu doign

[grave basin]

seems like many people are swapping to outlul

[dark moon]

Tbh, im using default ui and im fine

[brazen forge]

default display combo on top of ennemy bar ?

[dark moon]

Ye

Personal resource bar

[dark moon]

After yesterday's whaazz stream and awc fo sho

[grave basin]

yea even tyga went outlaw

lol

[dark moon]

Ye saw him play outlaw and he said its busted

[grave basin]

funny thing is people on ladder dont even have bis gear

they have sub gear

[dark moon]

I can imagine, ye

Outlaw is haste verse or crit verse?

Versa even

[brazen forge]

this ?

it doesnt show combo on enemy bar

[dark moon]

Read the options tho

U can put your personal resources on the enemy nameplates

[grave basin]

probably verse

[brazen forge]

read all the options and didnt find

[dark moon]

I'm not on my pc rn, cant help more than that, bud

But im not sure if you want combo points on enemy nameplates or unit frames

Plates you can do with default ui, on unit frames you can do with better blizz plates

[brazen forge]

I want combo here on top or bottom bar

[dark moon]

Do you have that option, mate?

Show on target one

[brazen forge]

combat > personal ressource ?

[dark moon]

And then tick the box saying show special resources on target

[brazen forge]

I already did

[hollow carbon]

I dont have this Setting anymore.. just personal resource Display but nothing Else

[brazen forge]

I can't believe a game this big can't show basic stuff by default

im amaze

amazed

in the area of claude and vibe coding they can't push feature this simple

[dark moon]

Could be nameplates option

Cause it works on my end

[dark moon]

I'm not, because that's the quality of the product people are supporting by purchasing ingame shop mounts like crazy instead of boycotting until game is in better state

So everything is good and everyone is happy with it 👌🏻

[brazen forge]

I didnt play for 2 years

[dark moon]

I'm not talking specifically about you, but the whole community

The game one, not the discord one

[brazen forge]

like do they play there game ?

[hollow carbon]

You can get nameplate combopoints with the addon betterblizzplates, that’s what I use

[brazen forge]

I spent 13€ just to play a bit, but I won't buy the new expension 🙂

Was playing and now a quest is glitching...

spend hours setting up a UI, quest that still bug 2 years after the realease of the expension

they can go fk themselves

[dark moon]

It may look like they don't

[dark moon]

Ye, they disabled many, many addons and the first time setting your interface takes time

[brazen forge]

yeah that's why I kept a folder with my interface

but some are deprecated

here I had the combo point 2 y ago

but I won't play it it's just a dead game

[spring bough]

guys outlaws pretty baller right now ngl

@gusty hedge we are so back baby

first blitz of the season all blues just smashing dmg cant wait for conq weps

[gleaming sentinel]

Glad people are trrying the spec themselvves instead of tellingg everyone its bad

[outer sky]

Oh fuck yeah a 1400mmr blitz win guess outlaw really is S tier!

[spring bough]

this feels good ngl

[gleaming sentinel]

you're so annoying bro LOL

[spring bough]

better than this sin/sub BS lmao

[outer sky]

I just think outlaw needs a bit more survivability to live up to its "brawler" fantasy

The feint talent nerf 100% needs to be reverted

[gleaming sentinel]

keep in mind the crit talent isnt working

[spring bough]

its surviving pretty good ngl

[outer sky]

You were probably the only player in that BG with a monitor

[spring bough]

forgot gotta change that

blitz as an dracthyr is pretty cool ngl

[spring bough]

gonna drop it for sleight GG

[dark moon]

Is it haste versa gear on every slot?

[spring bough]

mostly sitting like 22% haste in pvp stats lol

[gleaming sentinel]

pika went like 21-3 with supercharger btw

[dark moon]

What's the next stat after haste? Crit?

[balmy shuttle]

Wdym?

[spring bough]

thats what i went

[spring bough]

sick bout to swap to it LOL

[dark moon]

I just bought conq daggers

Fuck me

[spring bough]

bout to max out conq on the rogue today

question is do i stay dracthyr or change to a diff race lol

[brazen forge]

im playing wow classic, and I don't needd combo on top of ennemy since the game is very slow, but on retail nothing has changed and combo point are filled way faster...

[dark moon]

What's good for outlaw, gnome? Orc?

[spring bough]

that human prob

[gleaming sentinel]

I kinda think orc gonna be bis imo

[spring bough]

maybe back to kul tiran

[gleaming sentinel]

orc with turn the tables

sounds sick ngl

[dark moon]

My orc is 83,but seeing people sit a lot of roots/novas

[gleaming sentinel]

might level an orc rogue

[dark moon]

And I'm thinking HM tauren or maybe gnome

[dark moon]

For classic get yourself an addon

[gusty hedge]

make another rogue

[brazen forge]

i dont need addon

I don't need addon cause the game is super slow when you level, feels like a turn based game

[terse cedar]

undead baller

[brazen forge]

but in retail its super fast, I need to have the information quick

[gusty hedge]

[brazen forge]

game was made by nerd

and now it's maintainted by fucking corporate people

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-mormel-gif-1379104122739515885

[spring bough]

F leveling bro

im at 2 90s and thats it

[rough rock]

Dazed said it doesn’t work

[rough rock]

When aoe blind is back blitz gonna be even more fun

Whole efc group getting cucked xD

[gusty hedge]

bugged fr, seems like it only works off the first hit in combat after that bte hits like a wt noodle

[gusty hedge]

im like at 7 or 9 rn with 5 or 6 being rogues

lvling too ez

[gleaming sentinel]

fr

[rough rock]

Yeah I’ve been following dalarans build and it’s been fun. The prismatic focus slaps a lot

[gleaming sentinel]

whats the play? how do i level fast plz

[rough rock]

Follow the arrow addon

Takes me right over 2 1/2 hrs

[outer sky]

If your priority is not sitting roots then go troll and play the Unbreakable Stride talent. Trolls have a passive that makes roots/slows 20% shorter in duration and it stacks with Unbreakable Stride which makes them 30% shorter for a total of like 50% shorter roots/slows

[spring bough]

this

[rough rock]

I’m telling yall don’t sleep on FTA addon for leveling

[gusty hedge]

follow the arrow is pretty much the play rn. but in addition to that do all 9 delves + delve quest and save turn ins till 88, before u start any of the questing tbh, the addon doesnt account for the latest added delves(unless it updated) u dnt have to wait till 88 1/2 like suggested

[spring bough]

2-0 on blitz outlaw king type shit

[gusty hedge]

easier with warband exp too

[spring bough]

whats it get up to this xpack

[terse cedar]

bro what, what do you need that many rogues for and how do you even level so fast 💀

[gusty hedge]

you're pretty much doing all of eversong woods campaigns with some side quest and most if not all zul and turn in delve quest and boom ur 90, no need for first time craft quest

[rough rock]

That section with the VS stuff

Def get cucked there in wm 🤣

[gleaming sentinel]

so its questing

[gusty hedge]

thats just the tip of the ice berg 6 is childs play

[gleaming sentinel]

nvm im not ready for that bs yet

[terse cedar]

but why man 🤣

[balmy shuttle]

Not true at all? It works just like other crit % increases.

[terse cedar]

whats the bvenefit

[gusty hedge]

yeah early lvls everything just dies so quick

[spring bough]

9 devles.... 🤮

[rough rock]

I mean it’s just what he said and nobody was running it in AWC anyways

[gusty hedge]

ez lvl 1 smash through quick 2 lvls

[gusty hedge]

for me i just like more options of play instead of being locked to one character/build. i can do endless amount of testing any play if needed Plus Mogs /Names no need to race change or faction change anymore

[balmy shuttle]

Well, probably because they went low crit, not because the talent is bugged lol

[spring bough]

what tier yall outlaws going for

ig what piece are u doing that isnt tier lol

[rough rock]

Only first tier

[gusty hedge]

legs/hands ftw

[spring bough]

im gonna skip helm or chest and go 4 set fk it lmao

[rough rock]

The other tier peices are dookie stat wise imo

[stoic spruce]

We'll be nerfed by then

Get it now or suffer the consequences

[gusty hedge]

its good for pve still

until i can clear ?? on rogue i wont do any rated lol

pve arc going up

[rough rock]

Sounds like we need to get every outlaw rogue to Que RBGs together

[spring bough]

i think ima reroll human outlaw for extra secondary stats

[rough rock]

[balmy shuttle]

You could prolly run 4-set and wouldnt see much of a difference. Less vers means less dmg reduction though