pvp

[jaunty terrace]

oups yes 😄

[proven kayak]

Do sub worth the 4set ?

[dark kernel]

I get to choose between a crafted chest piece this week or three pieces of jewelry. Any thoughts

I kind of want to do the jewelry so I can start messing with my secondary stats more

[spare flare]

what do u play? and how much is your 2 best sec stats

[potent pivot]

sub goes 4 set ye

[potent pivot]

i think most people shouldn't have enough for a chest this week but ig it depends on what you've got

i did crafted honor ilvl jewelry week 1

[dark kernel]

I specifically do because I still have one of my tokens left from the nine herald request, and I also had some leftover conquest

[potent pivot]

ah true a lot of us have the extra heraldry

i forgot

[dark kernel]

So this week I'm going to have $925 conquest and one herald tree

And if you're wondering my my text looks so funny, I'm using speech to text

[potent pivot]

herald tree

[dark kernel]

I could theoretically do a ring and the DPS trinket

I haven't gotten the trinket yet

[potent pivot]

i'm probably just going to do trinket this week yea

you can also get a crafted trinket

if you want to use up the heraldry now

[dark kernel]

Is there legitimately any benefit to that trinket whatsoever over the regular ones?

I completely forgot there was a crafted trinket

[potent pivot]

nope

its the exact same

just able to use herladries on it instead of raw conq

[molten hedge]

What if we shuffle and play rmp do we still get insig

[potent pivot]

ya

[molten hedge]

Ah ok

[potent pivot]

insig across the board

[molten hedge]

Insig plus lingering sounds good

[potent pivot]

also told kalv about 1 rendorei/1 arcane mastery for weps so maybe everyone will realize if he starts using em

gonna be interesting to see what everyone uses in awc

@jaunty osprey do we even get to use the .gg thingy for open bracket idr

the awc companion website thing

[molten hedge]

That’s what I’m using per the gearing guide Tyty

[jaunty osprey]

Nope

[molten hedge]

When’s AWC kick off

[jaunty osprey]

But I can probably share a link of the offline broadcast

so people can watch

[supple arrow]

New to pvp , is mast or haste a better stats for bg blitz?

[potent pivot]

sub?

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

at least 200 haste rating when scaled up to pvp ilvl, the rest mast

and ~20% vers which u just get from pvp gear regardless

[gleaming sentinel]

one fo the perks of waking up early af is getting a socket thing from slayer's before work lul

[molten hedge]

Somehow my friend has never seen a spectral chest lul

[gleaming sentinel]

Every :00 and every :30

[stoic spruce]

Gonna take me a nap and play outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Nighty night

[gleaming sentinel]

dream of crackshot

[stoic spruce]

Punk

[spring bough]

Quick nap

[dark kernel]

Pre nerf dragonflight crack shot

Did anyone ever make a 10 hour cycle of that sound effect on youtube

Because I will learn how to do a video just to hear the ace up your sleeve sound over and over

[abstract stratus]

we arent shooting for 18 percent anymore?

[potent pivot]

They specifically asked about blitz

[abstract stratus]

word, im blind

[ionic crown]

every r1 rogues still playing trickster oof

[abstract stratus]

DS will just decide to ruin your game when it bugs

[lilac sigil]

Insignia/badge biggest power spike this week right?

[warped gate]

Bro, how rare is extra Dawnlight Manaflux?

Solo Shuffle, BG Blitz, Delves; and nada.

[spring bough]

I feel like I get one every 8-10 wins or so kinda random

Mix of solo shuffle and blitz

[warped gate]

Is there a rating requirement?

[spring bough]

Don’t believe so but I think it’s gotta be a win haven’t got one on a loss yet

[warped gate]

Yeesh, well thanks.

I want my f'n four set.

[spring bough]

Delves seems like it gives one more than solo/blitz

[warped gate]

What's the lowest tier Delve you got it from?

I managed to get to 8 in PvP gear before it started getting rough.

[spring bough]

Idk if there’s a level limit on the delves. 8s should give one

[dark kernel]

You cannot get the dawn light drops until you already have four set

[spring bough]

This

[dark kernel]

I got my first one after like 10 dungeons

I bet there is hidden math that will make them drop faster as the season moves on

[spring bough]

10 seems like the magic number lol

[ionic crown]

@dark kernel i think ur right trickster dps is just still insane

[dark kernel]

We're both probably right. Trickster is very close to deathstalker right now, but in my first game last night it bugged out

I still prefer tricksters benefits though overall, but it's kind of indifferential

[warped gate]

I got my four set this morning.

I got the LFR one for a slot I didn't want, so I got the achievement, but want to use it on my shoulders.

Granted I found out I didn't have the Conquest to lacquer it anyway, so it works out.

[ionic crown]

and trickster will get buffs on 12.0.5

[dark kernel]

This made me realize with that talent and cold blooded killer you can get 20% raw crit strike

That's kind of a lot

Too bad you lose vanish heal

Hmmm

[ionic crown]

not that one

cloud cover

2 stacks of fazed = 16% increase dmg

[dark kernel]

Yeah I was just musing

[abstract stratus]

????

im gonna lose my fake bomb?

^i dont actually use it like that but it does work visually like smoke bomb

[ionic crown]

removed

[severe helm]

I think the new one uses the same visual

[abstract stratus]

oh thats gonna be aids for the enemy healer then :))))))

unless they update the visual

rn it looks almost identical and sounds identical

[lucid tree]

For smoke bomb, friendlies can still tgt through it, correct?

[spring bough]

Yes

[grave basin]

so trille is playing assa

[spring bough]

Sin OP confirmed??

[grave basin]

cant tell cause he's doing placement games

but hes saying it's fun atleast

[vocal surge]

The goat

GARROSH

[grave basin]

dad just went out to get milk

he'll be back

[jolly sierra]

where is the uncensored version

[gilded gulch]

doesnt he call her a bword

[jolly sierra]

ye

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-of-us-7

[vocal surge]

Ye

[proven field]

That's the Silverpine questline isn't it? I remember being like "oh snap did he just?"

[gilded gulch]

Well wow nowadays is pc

so i guess they removed it?

[jolly sierra]

they removed it in legion

he said "watch your clever mouth, [redacted]"

back in the day

[proven field]

Dude was right the entire time too

https://klipy.com/gifs/rock-garrosh

[spring bough]

What was redacted 🤔

[jolly sierra]

B word

[jolly sierra]

garrosh was based af, he knew sylvanas would be a mess in future

[vocal surge]

Yeee

[pearl bane]

Any outlaw goat randomly try mastery?

[proven field]

some dude the other day was stacking it

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[vocal surge]

You still gotta hit 20% Haste for the rotation be smooth on Outlaw before mastery gets stacked

[pearl bane]

Yeah I wonder if mastery could be insane with the haste

[lucid tree]

Is there a good way to see the DR on CC in PVP?
Feel like I'm, wasting half my cc.

[pearl bane]

Might be crazy tbh

[halcyon timber]

Base UI has diminishing returns on blizz frames (in game setting) , other than that - just addons the guys have put in the pins to “reskin” the information blizzard shows.

[vocal surge]

It can be probably, gotta see how much mastery scales

last season, every 10% mastery = +1 to the x1 damage mod of Main Gauche

[proven field]

I tried it a bit last season and it was fun but felt very PVE-centric... need high uptime, higher consistent dmg but less burst so I looked good on meters but couldn't kill as often

beat the living shit out of the pvp dummy though, I'll tell you what

[outer sky]

Man winning games as assa feels so weird its like the entire match youre not doing anything and everyone is topped and then randomly the entire enemy team just starts dying

WTB Quick Decisions and Shot in the Dark for assa

[proven field]

I feel you... my team absolutely shit the bed at the end of a TP... we wiped them 5-6x in a row, escorted back.. kill their FC, but our D could not peel or sit on flag...they'd grab and grab and we'd return and return... they ended up capping once with 2 mins left... you just sit looking at your screen like.. "guys... why"

we literally lost to hustle and moxy, on all measurements we should have won handedly

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot https://youtube.com/live/RyENTpYJ2mE

EU AWC feed for offline games

Avidance vs Blizo Maro Lontar

[gusty hedge]

rn doesnt seem too high, 70% mastery in sub but 30% in outlaw, this is with the heavy mastery build

[vocal surge]

What's the mastery damage at/

[gleaming sentinel]

Feel like when we can get some higher vers numbers maybe

[lucid tree]

Does the Conqueror's Galactic Varnish just take a piece of PVE tier and make it PVP?

[vocal surge]

Thats kinda low

Maybe on Fatebound its nutty

[proven field]

the rub is it's counter-intuitive because you want high-haste to make it burrrr

[vocal surge]

Yeee

Or rather we dont have the budget rn

[muted abyss]

broken racist clock and all lol

[proven field]

LOL

[vocal surge]

Typo lol

Should be 1-5

[gusty hedge]

Feels weak still but once rng starts pumping

[potent pivot]

Ya

[proper vortex]

2.6k MMR btw

[outer sky]

Lmao I had an EOTS game last season around like 2.8 where the enemy team didn't even score a single point 😂

[proven field]

bad run here... down 3 in a row around 2300... team just... completely not paying attention

Like, I dont want to be a jerk, but how do you end up with 1.5M total dmg as a ret paladin on SSM

[vocal surge]

SSM?

[proper vortex]

Silvershard mine maybe

[vocal surge]

Ah

[proven field]

sometimes its like that Patrick Meme... "ok you go lava" "I go lava" "you stay in teamfight" "I stay in teamfight" "so don't follow me to water" "I stay in teamfight" immediately runs to water anyway

[proper vortex]

Yeah that was the same in my EotS game. Both russian mages somehow went mid instead of capping our bases

[proven field]

EOTS is like SSM in that you can't just say fuckit and carry - if the team doesn't know what to do, you can't compensate

[outer sky]

Played one game where I capped us a 3rd base 4 times and each time nobody came to help me hold it. And amazingly we couldnt win flag either despite me pulling 3 of them out of mid to recap their base like every 2 minutes

[proven field]

dude that is the worst... earlier im juggling both their healers between BS and Farm for like.... 3 hours

we still losing all the teamfights, im like "GUYS HOW PLZ"

[outer sky]

Or when your team loses a base and you check your map to see 4 of them still there

[proven field]

lol that fucking... drive you crazy

[outer sky]

I got into it with this hunter the other day

He called for help

Lost the base

But there were 3 people there with him

Im like

How do you lose the base theres 4 of you

He says "but they also had 4. Thats why I said we needed help"

And im trying to tell him this isnt carts

If theres 4 of you alive at the base you shouldn't lose it

Even if theyre 8 man hitting it

Like if the other team wiped them then okay thats one thing

But no they were all 4 alive

[proper vortex]

Yeah way to many still dont understand how the numbers game works in blitz

[proven field]

100%... just had a guy repeatedly break my CC on Water "to kill him".. im trying to explain I just want him off the circle so we can flip, then kill him, but he just... did not want to understand

3 losses took MMR from 2500 to 1900 as well

[mortal lantern]

Do we go for on use trinket or the other one?

[potent pivot]

the other one

insignia

[vocal surge]

The things we do for Housing xD

[potent pivot]

o.o

[proven field]

on assa I just tied trink to KB since they both 1min and i want dat burst

[outer sky]

Thats what im doing too. But idk if its the play. The issue is a lot of assa burst is from its apex talents and those apex talents dont work if your target steps out of melee range or if you get micro CCd. Maybe it would be good in 3s where you have more coordination but in shuffle insignia is probably better just for the uptime

Badge is also probs better in blitz

[proven field]

does assa apex stop ticking if out of range? sometimes it feels like it trails like rapid fire

[outer sky]

Yes it does

Its so troll

[proven field]

oh boo

[vale steppe]

Crit is nice from the badge as assa i suppose

[last jasper]

so in midnight u can have only 2 Embellishments and thats it?

so if I already have double arcanoweave there is nothing I can add if I decide to craft something?

[gusty hedge]

its always been 2 embellishments

[potent pivot]

Ya same as TWW

And DF

You can remove/swap them out later

[gusty hedge]

Cleaving!

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-vs-maho-sukuna-slice-sukuna-slash-sukuna-cleave-sukuna-attack-gif-3564216804798056365

[last jasper]

I recall u could add some shit from gems or something. or I am missing something?

okay, whatever

[potent pivot]

You mean the focusing lens embellishment?

There’s a new version of that one called focusing iris, but it’s pretty meh for assa/sub

[last jasper]

but I can add it?

[potent pivot]

It’s an embellishment

You can only have 2 embellishments

[last jasper]

okay

tnx

[potent pivot]

Arcanoweave embellishment is what most ppl are using

We might swap to darkmoon Sigil hunt later when we craft weapons after conq is uncapped

[last jasper]

nah, I just thought u could add something like this shit for gems and it didn't count

[potent pivot]

Ahh

You remember the pvp meta gem too right

[last jasper]

+5 dmg reduction?

sure

[potent pivot]

The -5% damage in stuns gem

Ye

Kk

[last jasper]

with 4p you really need that

cuz vers is kinda crazy low

[potent pivot]

It’s a good gem anyway tbh

Lot of main stat

[last jasper]

For my brain, +1.1% feels more like noise than a meaningful difference.

5% dam reduction on other hand

[surreal plank]

How's sub doing after the nerf this tuesday?

[last jasper]

less bursty

lol

since dr is now 2 sec faster, sub will remain top spec for the whole expac. unless they nerf him into the ground

[surreal plank]

amen

[outer sky]

Try deathstalker it feels the same as trickster did last week

[scarlet nest]

still sub, still S tier

[gaunt egret]

What is the job of a sub rogue in RBG? I can get kills but I feel like Im not making an impact

[potent pivot]

To play objectives

[gaunt egret]

Could you elaborate a bit?

Like constantly go to objectives the least amount of people are in to sneak a cap?

[rough rock]

sap, cap

[sleek belfry]

yeah, depending on who is sitting/what node for sure

also slowing healers back to teamfight if they left to drink/res'd/floated to another node

or coming in for a full kidney bomb kill mid teamfight after incing a node

all good things, just recognize when running at a base is wasting time/pressure tho

[potent pivot]

I don’t really do blitz so I’m def not the best person to ask, I just know a rogues usual job is playing objectives. Stealing bases, stopping enemy from stealing bases, stuff like that

[last jasper]

First, you die 15 seconds after the gates open. Then you try to blame someone else and insult him, thinking he won’t understand you

[outer sky]

One time when I was a kid my parents took me to this really upscale Italian restaurant and it was like one of the worst dining experiences ever like they got all our orders wrong and everything was cold, etc etc so my mom bitched about it and then the wait staff started flaming her in Italian

But my mom is from Sicily

So that didnt go well

[last jasper]

lmao

[proven field]

The hand waving must have been legendary

[last jasper]

well, im not polish but I do understand it a bit

[outer sky]

If i get whispered after a solo shuffle I dont need to know the language theyre speaking in to know im being insulted

[last jasper]

well, first he was trying to convice me i was at fault

[outer sky]

Its just the nature of solo queue man

[last jasper]

calling me fuckhead was unexpected tbh

[outer sky]

Im gunna DM you a rage whisper i got from someone last season after beating him in a regular 3v3 game. I cant post it here because its got non ToS language

Sent

[topaz bramble]

what conquest gear did everyone prio?

bought helm and shoulders, not sure waht to get next

[outer sky]

Assume you mean for sub?

[topaz bramble]

yeah sorry

[outer sky]

After helm and shoulders get gloves and legs

For your 4 set

[last jasper]

sec shuff

[spring bough]

Every whisper I get after a rated match starts with “this message is inappropriate [view][report]” 😂

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot https://youtube.com/live/RyENTpYJ2mE

NA open bracket starting

[potent pivot]

Ye

Been watching venruki stream it

[outer sky]

Or then you get these people who are willing to sacrifice their own rating to grief you

[spring bough]

Venruki

[stoic spruce]

Venrooki

[abstract stratus]

venpuki

[molten hedge]

idk if his tracker is right but if so the disc had both pain sups

and bc its 30 secs into the match i actually belive it

bc ive seen discs do that shit

so ofc he dies lol

[gleaming pawn]

Yes that’s not a “Sin does so much damage” that’s a “the healer was asleep at the wheel”

But Venruki would be nothing without his clickbait bullshit these days

[abstract stratus]

its me in the clip from last season lol

it was my first interaction with ven

[last jasper]

Well, the one who made the clip chose that name, not Ven. So not this time, at least

[dark kernel]

I recognize all these names some how

https://tenor.com/view/cats-pusheen-kittens-kitty-pussy-cat-gif-16463192

[outer sky]

What the actual fuck is disc priest damage??

[olive sequoia]

it's probably in line with their overall kit

why are the mutilate damage popups so shit, how am i meant to see the damage it does if there are 3 numbers popping up all jammed into one

[potent pivot]

Check your combat log

[olive sequoia]

right, forgot about that

[warped gate]

Well, a Resto Druid just called Outlaw overpowered in Shuffle.

Wanted to screencap it to show it here but I did /reload and forgot before.

I just want my Dawnlight, man.

[hybrid sapphire]

Does Sarena throw a shitton of errors for yall

[vocal surge]

Are they voidweaver?

[outer sky]

ye

[vocal surge]

Thats an ez kill

[dark kernel]

You never seen the super pumped turret disc?

[outer sky]

this guy didnt just "pump"

he almost one shot me twice

[dark kernel]

It's not very good anymore. And it can be stopped easily, but if you get going real hard you can just overwhelm and damage

This guild made of mine is a multi-glad shadow priest. He made a bunch of Twitter rounds recently for playing disc and completely obliterating the leaderboards in rated Blitz

[potent pivot]

Try arena core

[hybrid sapphire]

well i havent tried sarena yet i just dont want the same issues im having w gladius

do you use arena core?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[severe helm]

Sarena is very solid

The "new" one like reforged or something idk

But it's been great so far not a single issue

[molten hedge]

sarena reloaded? @severe helm

[severe helm]

Ye that one

[potent pivot]

cough dogshit cough

[severe helm]

Jealous

[hybrid sapphire]

@potent pivot what motivates you getting a trinket this week instead of jewelry

[potent pivot]

More main stat proc

I have honor ilvl crafted jewelry

Jewelry has no main stat

[hybrid sapphire]

are you using this one?

or the on-use one

[potent pivot]

Insig

[hybrid sapphire]

is insignia better than badge always?

[potent pivot]

Yep

[hybrid sapphire]

thanks sister

[potent pivot]

Except blitz

Specifically

[glass isle]

be a boss and use both instead of medallion

[hybrid sapphire]

#beastmode

[severe helm]

Wait when is awc

[severe helm]

Do you get the set bonus if you do that?

[supple arrow]

If you are doing blitz only, which trinket would you recommend?

[glass isle]

pretty sure

[severe helm]

What are you doing in pvp

Intruder

[glass isle]

i need to find the clip of the chance trinket proccing as soon as i use insig and i one shot a monk in literally less than a second

in cds

[glass isle]

i pvp

not on rogue tho this is my first time

[fathom crag]

badge as sub for blitz, insignia outlaw/assa

[abstract stratus]

what food is edable in arenas?

[severe helm]

None

Only water

All consumables that recover HP aren't usable in arena

Except mage food

[potent pivot]

On use for blitz only

[supple arrow]

Yes i play only blitz

[dark kernel]

sub may be okay

[severe helm]

Oh crazy the spec that has multiple stuns every Dr is okay still?

That's wild

[dark kernel]

Do we fuck with tauren in the goon suit

its low key kind of drip

[rough rock]

Today was it was qualifiers

[abstract stratus]

mutilate dream

systemic failure talent plus the buff we got makes it hit pretty hard compared to before buff

[outer sky]

FYI guys if you still have any of these in your bank from MoP they work! Blizz didn't hotfix these

but they're soulbound

so cant buy em

gotta already have em

[dark kernel]

does it still have the enchant graphic

because that would be insane

[proven field]

Hrm I wonder if I have any lurking around

[vocal surge]

How I feel playing Outlaw in PvP rn:

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-raiden-metal-gear-ray-super-strength-gif-14889306

Afflock, Retpal, BMHunter

with HPriest n Hpal

[pastel burrow]

better be blasting the soundtrack

it'll get you through it

[vocal surge]

A 4-2 on my first lobby of the day

almost 5-1

[vocal surge]

Also I am

also x)

C'mon game, give me a match

I DESIRE A GOOD FIGHT

https://tenor.com/view/jcos-chair-spin-spinning-gif-12406677

Finally

gonna be pain

2-4

The CCs hurt so much xD

Might run Deadly Pursuit into sub rogues

[outer sky]

Games on my alt rogue. Anyone able to spot the pattern?

[proven field]

what is it that SP has that pulls me out of stealth from 200 miles away

another match thrown as we are winning eots, and a healer takes flag and pushes to MT... which they have... they kill him, cap, and we lose... his reasoning? "healers need to be in team fights"

https://klipy.com/gifs/obama-wtf-1

[potent pivot]

you are bad at the assassination specialization of rogue ?

[outer sky]

yeah my main spec

im somehow better at sub

[vocal surge]

I feel weaker on Fatebound

than I do on Trickster

lol

[marsh laurel]

@potent pivot what was the Vers cap?

[potent pivot]

there is no vers "cap"

this season as sub we stay around ~20%

[marsh laurel]

Thats what i meant

[outer sky]

Just shoot me

[trail turret]

just bait out the bubble

[dark moon]

Had a conversation with a guildmate about ret being f-ing op in pvp (they are the ret pal) and they said sub rogue is way more op and that ret lacks dmg and mobility

And I thought for a second if I need this guild or not

Like...

[outer sky]

well "retribution" isnt the only word that begins with "ret"

[dark moon]

And they started pulling some statistics

I was losing my mind

The argument kinda fell of after some guildies backed me up with the amount of rets compared to rogues

[trail turret]

I could see an argument for ret "lacking dmg" if u look purely at numbers, but its just because they do very little dmg padding, all their dmg is just in your face and if you dont have a defensive ready u die, also they are immune every minute

rets only real problem imo is no mortal wound

[dark moon]

Rets lacking dmg is a rival ret comment

I wont accept it

[vocal surge]

^

Ret can absolutely floor you with their burst at 50% - 60% hp

[dark moon]

And im not rank shaming or anything, it just is lacknof experience

[vocal surge]

I really mean 60% --> 0%

[trail turret]

100% *

[dark moon]

Word

[vocal surge]

100% is a stretch

[trail turret]

if u dont have innate dmg block and you dont press any buttons its pretty damn close to 100-0

[outer sky]

I found this guy earlier. Imagine being THIS bad at ret paladin

[dark moon]

He meant 100% they can do that, not 100% hp

[vocal surge]

There was a ret who was saying they were in elo hell

Their checkpvp history show them playing at Elite

For the 2 seasons they participated in

[dark moon]

That's a dad with 5 kids, coming back from blue collar 16h shift and de-stressing fighting the bad guys as the warrior of the light

Ain't nothing wrong with that

[vocal surge]

They've been playing Ret since TWW S2 and have Elite that season and S3

The only other pvp history they had was from 1 season in BFA

And that's it

No combatant, challenger, etc

[trail turret]

tww ret was a different beast

[vocal surge]

Straight Elite just coming back to the game

[dark moon]

He's that gifted

Don't be jelly, LOL

[vocal surge]

I think its more of a spec thing

Last time I played Pally

it was in DF S1

was almost Rival in just quest gear

[rough rock]

I think it’s the only spec in the game I haven’t played

[vocal surge]

0 honor gear or conq

[trail turret]

give it a shot honestly, its actually really fun

[vocal surge]

The class plays itself essentially

[trail turret]

turn ur brain off, click 3 buttons and kill people

[vocal surge]

There's almost no setup x)

[trail turret]

only need to turn ur brain on when you gotta remember to use sanc or bop on a teammate

[gusty hedge]

" fk u " from the hunter

[potent pivot]

[dark moon]

You guys face demo locks in shuffle often?

[rough rock]

It’s my least favorite fantasy so that’s kinda why but also hate waiting to press something lmao

[warped gate]

I see them often enough.

[vocal surge]

^

[proven kayak]

I enjoying sub tbh and does real dmg

[fossil hinge]

Yeah if u don’t use cc to
Win the game 😂

[proven kayak]

Most seasons I played I was literally a ccbot

[proven kayak]

I mean I used to cc so much and doing damage once in a bloodmoon

Haven’t played since df s1 tho

[fossil hinge]

It’s my first season with rog tbh rog can doing a lot of dmg but this season it’s feels like I am cc bot only

[proven kayak]

If you thinks this ssn you are a cc bot I can tell most of times you were your partners cc dog 🐕

But you have to cc a lot aswell

That’s the fun part tho otherwise you could play warrior or some tunnel vision stuff

[obsidian pulsar]

how can i farm dawnlight manaflux if i dont do pve? xd i got 4set and dont get it by pvp?

should ijust do raidfinder? or do i get it by other stuff? in pvp?

[potent pivot]

its rng

you'll proc em as u play

pvp, m+, raid, world boss, etc

[proven kayak]

How many you can have by now I used two

[potent pivot]

if u only pvp u can have 3 rn

you get 1 every 2 weeks

and 1 from hitting 1.6k

can only have 4 set if u pve and drop a tier piece

[warped gate]

Do people actually take them up on these offers?

[warped gate]

Do you know if they drop from Heroic Dungeons too?

I saw that guy above when I was looking for someone to do 2's with to farm a Flux.

[potent pivot]

cringers

[potent pivot]

no idea

[warped gate]

Ahhh.

I'm surprised how little info there is on this out there.

[potent pivot]

wdym

first google result

[warped gate]

Ahhh, I was looking on Wowhead comments and stuff.

[obsidian pulsar]

full raid finder done and not 1 manaflux

[shadow rune]

got one at the end of a mythic +2

RNG stuff ya know

[jolly sierra]

with or without 4set?

[warped gate]

omg fucking finally

Got it from a +5 Bountiful Delve.

[warped gate]

You can't get it without getting your four set.

[jolly sierra]

fuck u RNG

https://tenor.com/view/joke-middle-finger-gif-14880156915415951913

[dark kernel]

I got mine this week for my very first Arena match

[shadow rune]

with already a 4 pieces set indeed

[warped gate]

Luuuuucky.

[last jasper]

press f for DH

update, monk died first

[molten hedge]

Damnnnn. I’ve never played ret and mines almost 1800 with like 70 games played. It did take a min to get used to the utility and not overlapping

It’ll be the opener and no one’s in cc and someone dies and the healer goes no spell bop???????? Like brother use ur fkn cds first I’m saving for damp

[dark kernel]

Lamao

[abstract stratus]

na down whyt

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/viva-la-dirt-league-vldl-gif-19768362

[gusty hedge]

Servers Up

[ionic crown]

lets roll

[abstract stratus]

this sin build babrou is running seems kinda sleeper

https://murlok.io/character/us/tichondrius/babyrou/pvp

[gusty hedge]

crazy after mt im getting dec3ent rtb rolls .5 backto back jackpots and 3 rolls, but all in pve lol

[proven field]

ironically most assas started with DTB because of interaction with apex... when I tried it felt very similar in dmg, I just like the execute because I run mainly blitz now

be interesting to see how that runs if you say swapped venomous wounds to take Amp Poison... he stacks so much into envenom, and I swap deadly for Amp (I run Hemo) if I am going to need to take nodes, smaller fights etc

[vague comet]

yo guys

is bnet not working or something

i cant connect

[spring bough]

Nerfing rogue again somehow

[odd eagle]

why are we going crit / vers dagger

[abstract stratus]

cause conquest dagger free

[proven field]

they sold out of mastery ones

[odd eagle]

why not just craft mastery dagger

[abstract stratus]

because that costs conquest

not really worth until uncapped

[proven field]

i think eventually people will, but we'll want 4P and likely full kit first

[odd eagle]

well so does crafting any piece of equipment, whats the diff

[abstract stratus]

you get free conquest weapon token at 2500 conquest or something so its free

do w/e you wanna do but most of the time its not worth the little bit of extra stats until conq is uncapped

[spring bough]

Sheeesh

How is buffed outlaw feeling

I won’t know till Sunday 😭

[gusty hedge]

I See no diff but maybe thats just me

[spring bough]

Damn guess it’s back to the Devourer on Sunday

[abstract stratus]

using this new build mutilate is my 3rd most dam now

kinda insteresting

gotta try it in a shuffle to see how it is sustained

[spring bough]

I’m on a forced week vacation 😭

[abstract stratus]

skirm vs ret and war

running mutilate out of stealth as well instead of ambush since mutilate has a bunch of modifiers that actually make it hit harder with this build

[proven field]

??

[gusty hedge]

capped on vacation hours huh?!?

[spring bough]

No… shit talking in blitz sent me on a vacation

[gusty hedge]

ohh kek in game

[spring bough]

Dusted off the second account and got bored with leveling

[abstract stratus]

i only say i have ants in my brain when i talk in party chat

usually ends the convo

[spring bough]

I got baited and lit someone up and got the email the next morning 😭

[proven field]

@abstract stratus can you show your dmg breakdown and talent setup; curious

[abstract stratus]

im gonna que a few more skirms the last few have been 2 v 1 so not a fair play

ngllll mutilate pulling its own weight now

its not official until i que a shuffle with this garbage

@jaunty osprey do i have the stupid for thinking this might be lit?

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/data-data-data-rdj

[dark kernel]

We need a healer and we should try Sub/devou

[spring bough]

It’s good in shuffle with that dps combo

Sub just locks up bombs and blast em while devo sending stars or spamming devour lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah I was being serious Lol

[spring bough]

Ik. Need a healer that can dispell* 😂

[dark kernel]

A TON of my guildies cross play specs and we have like 10 healers I'm positive I can get one

Legitimately any spec

[dark kernel]

Very first healer response. "Sounds like 2 classes begging for dispels 24/7"

Am I cooked?

[spring bough]

[dark kernel]

But nah I got people who will play

[severe helm]

Again?

[gusty hedge]

PUT that sub in the dirt

[outer sky]

Every time somebody here gets banned its because of Blitz

[gusty hedge]

When your back play
First day out - Tee Grizzley

https://tenor.com/view/pistol-play-mike-tyson-tee-gif-23804548

[spring bough]

That’ll get me amped up to talk more shit lmao

[gusty hedge]

[dark kernel]

It's so funny to play blitz because my team gets so pressed and I don't give 2 shits about blitz so I treat them like random BGs when I play

I play like one a week but still

[abstract stratus]

im telling you hit em with the
ihaveantsinmybrainantsinmybrainantsinmybrainantsinmybrain

[spring bough]

I was doing call outs one game during TWW and mid game got logged out cause someone mass reported Vancleef and had to name change mid match

[livid cipher]

lmao buying a sub w gold mid key

⠀

[proven field]

apparently... some can challenge the brotherhood

[dark kernel]

You can theoretically use a healer bot in shuffle and run it 24/7 and make 500k gold a month to find a wow sub token

2 birds one stone

[proven field]

little bit of... deadmines humour

[dark kernel]

Healers no longer an issue for shuffle

[proven field]

I'll see myself out

[abstract stratus]

still kinda up in the air if this works totally better but its hard to tell into enh almost every game smacking the absolute dogshit out of someone

[proven field]

see his name is VanCleef and in original deadmines VanCleef says none can challenge the brotherhood yet VC was suspended for exactly that see it's actually a really solid rogue-specific reference...ahh you kids are too young, it's a great joke

[molten hedge]

Whaazz is playing outlaw shuffs btw

He’s like 21-0 so far in a shuff rn

[scarlet nest]

played a few games on reset and it already feels much more impactful with the buffs

still a bit rng cause most of the dam is during triple/jackpot but it’s fun

[dark kernel]

Yeah but he's only just getting to like decent MMR lol

It was a fresh start. His damage is still kind of doodoo

[abstract stratus]

he says hes winnie the poohing it rn not wearing pants

he must be really happy with the state of outlaw

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/trump-shane-gillis

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

Nerfs inc

[lucid tree]

What arena frames are you guys running?

[molten hedge]

he was over 2k thats like only 2 more 6-0s from being top of ladder lmfao

[grave basin]

does any1 know why the "!" conditional in macros no longer work?

like /cast !alter time no longer works

or /cast !ice block

is there a replacement?

[fathom crag]

#showtooltip
/castsequence reset=5 Death's Advance, 1

try this

w ur spell

[grave basin]

you are a gentleman and a scholar

works thanks

[jaunty osprey]

How does your bleeds only do 200k each

When I press my bleeds, it does 200k in like 8 seconds

You need a way longer match

I definitely felt insane yday in a lobby

But your screenshots are NOT long enough to be worthy of any actual data

[abstract stratus]

yea i havnet had a chance to actually shuffle because im working rn and skirming inbetween meetings lol

will test mor in a few hours

[abstract stratus]

much longer game

[proven field]

I cant figure out why your mut is so high though, is it just because everything else is lower?

[jaunty osprey]

It’s because he’s only pressing mutilate

Isn’t spreading bleeds with CT

Etc etc

using 4 poison build with deadly poison

So either doesnt have sudden demise for more bleed damage (really my good because of bleed buffs) or no zoldycks

The buff definitely looks significant, but that’s the reason for the weird breakdown

There is a world in which doomblade is taken along with systemic failure

You would drop poison bomb and secondary poisoning

and then can drop spatter for CT

At work atm, but this is what I would suggest if the Mutilate changes seem good

[abstract stratus]

was running fatal concoction becaus deadly poison seemed like it was pumping but ill try that build rn

[proven field]

I think you end up largely around the same tbh - let me take a look

pretty close - that's just dummy through two kingsbanes

identical button presses, some coins better than others, but... don't think it ultimately changed anything

[abstract stratus]

ran sd no dtb with systemic failure and doom blade and mutilate still smacking for the most part so idk if this is just what it looks like with those 2 talents added in

also idk which mutilate is the doomblade bleed or the actual mutliate hit

[proven field]

Hrmmm high haste build? Try my version - full cooldowns on the PvP dummy - run for like 5m dmg (end right after second use of kingsbane)

See what the dmg meter says

[abstract stratus]

the dummy doesnt show the mutilate buffs for pvp

its only in instance it seems , we brought this up a few days ago

[proven field]

Yeah I just wanna see if you right side a bit

[abstract stratus]

also dummy has zero vers

[proven field]

I think it’s just not spreading dots enough maybe

[potent pivot]

its likely all just added into the mutilates itself

iirc the reason for seeing 2 muts is MH/OH

[abstract stratus]

what a bad way to do that lol

[proven field]

It counts as a dot embedded in mut think MH

[potent pivot]

new meter is just dogshit ofc

[jaunty osprey]

Dummy testings does nothing btw

Especially testing two different builds

[molten hedge]

Yeah is regular details better than blizzards or they both bad

[proven field]

I mean there is no way to really actually test though

[potent pivot]

both bad

[molten hedge]

Crazy

[potent pivot]

details doesn't add anything significant

[jaunty osprey]

The strength of spreading bleeds and having multiple people rotted in a 3v3 or shuffle scenario should not be forgotten

[proven field]

Details just a skin now

[potent pivot]

we have to start logging arenas to WCL

[proven field]

Mut is like 5% of my dmg usually

[jaunty osprey]

If you’re playing sudden demise and not DTB

[proven field]

Before buff like 2-3%

[jaunty osprey]

you should also be playing the fan of knives talents probably

[abstract stratus]

ngl i only press fan if im disarmed should i be pressing it otherwise?

[jaunty osprey]

When you can hit 2 targets

You press fan

[abstract stratus]

its really that valuable?

[potent pivot]

this could theoretically be different now

[jaunty osprey]

The only reason you play sudden demise with Zoldycks is because you intend on rotting multiple people

[potent pivot]

with the mut buff

mut costs more energy but still a more reliable combo point generator

[jaunty osprey]

if you intend on ST, DTB might be more impactful

[potent pivot]

spreading wound with fok is good

[abstract stratus]

lets just let ivan test the two talents himself when he gets the chance cause im not tryna say i know literally anything lol just testing stuff myself

[potent pivot]

[jaunty osprey]

This one

Seems like an update to the pinned build

IF mutilate buffs are actually good

And play 4 set

[abstract stratus]

i also dont have 4 set i need taht

[jaunty osprey]

Next week!!!

[proven field]

then go blindside.. and play 4 set even more... just like me and..... no one else

[jaunty osprey]

Blindside

wouldn’t make sense cause they didnt buff ambush

smh

buff ambush 180% pls rito

[potent pivot]

could be good just for energy saving though

[proven field]

ambush free 3 combo points

[potent pivot]

if you're ST generating more

[dark kernel]

I would cum so hard and go play HO outlaw

[proven field]

it saves so much energy

[jaunty osprey]

There are no energy issues though, you dont chain envenoms in pvp

you hold kidney for when someone rots a little

[abstract stratus]

some thiccums mutilates in here

{comparitivily}

[proven field]

i blitz though; I want to burn people quick

ive hit some 50-60k ambushes, it's free combo points, it fill stacks quick... feels like a solid win to me

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot in an assa patchwerk sim, how much does secondary poisoning do

[proven field]

just try it - at least in blitz... then you can call my brain smoother than a marble

[potent pivot]

Idk

[jaunty osprey]

smh!!

!fuu

[lethal roost]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jaunty osprey]

Why dont u know everything

Wait it wouldnt do anything cause patchwerk sims are 1 target

BAHAHAHAHA

[dark kernel]

I don't mean this as an insult. But don't you currently not even play WoW?

[jaunty osprey]

he plays

Casually

[dark kernel]

That's my life

I'm trying to get glad off 6 hours of pvp a week

I doubt it'll work

[jaunty osprey]

Ok

Play this if you want blindside

And sudden demise

Thrown precision can be swapped with improved poisons

[potent pivot]

?????

@spring bough said some shit like this the other day too

Where are ppl getting this idea

[jaunty osprey]

No offense, but do you even play rogue

[spring bough]

What am I getting called out for 😭

[severe helm]

Idk that's weird

No tricks plays a lot I thought

[jaunty osprey]

What even is a Notrickz

[severe helm]

Not sure how that sentiment got made

[potent pivot]

I’ve been playing almost every day since the expansion launched

[jaunty osprey]

@wooden spire who is NoTrickz

[spring bough]

What about TWW s3 tho 🤔

[potent pivot]

I don’t play every last season of an expansion basically

[jaunty osprey]

what is NoTrickz

[potent pivot]

Which has been true since SL

SL s4, last season of DF, TWW, etc

[severe helm]

Yeah I quit last season

game was bad

like objectively

[potent pivot]

Ya

[severe helm]

they were too busy with midnight

[spring bough]

Game still bad 😭

[potent pivot]

Also I find this offensive ! !

[stoic spruce]

SL was the last time the last season was good anyway

I can't imagine that changing in Midnight

[severe helm]

I play casually af

[abstract stratus]

blindside bad

[stoic spruce]

I'm super casual atm

[severe helm]

like maybe 4 or 5 hours a week

if im lucky

[abstract stratus]

proc rate is ass

[gleaming sentinel]

Ye… I’ve played this expac less than I’ve played almost all of them.

[jaunty osprey]

Bro

U dont pve

THAT’S CASUAL

[potent pivot]

Been pvping more than YOU lately I think #poser

[dark kernel]

I believe a while ago you said something about not playing much and you also never share anything from in game. I kind of just assumed

[rough rock]

Full mastery….feels so much better

[abstract stratus]

so have we basically established that sudden demise is the better build in ***most scenarios? because if rot is the ultimate goal idk if dtb does that better

[dark kernel]

I still watch some LoL stuff and I haven't played that game in like 8 years

[jaunty osprey]

So pointless playing before the last few months

😭

[severe helm]

Yeah I do pve with friends at the start usually

[jaunty osprey]

for me at least

[severe helm]

cuz pvp doesnt matter much

[potent pivot]

Real

[jaunty osprey]

Like any pushing in shuffle or 3s right now

does nothing

[gleaming sentinel]

Unless you wanna do blitz and spam with everyone at the start. But I’m too employed for that bracket

[severe helm]

Ill do a little bit of playing in shuffle early

just for practice

since so much changed

im gona queue outlaw when I get home from this work trip

just to see how it feels

[jaunty osprey]

Yeah, I tested the talents, know how assa plays, I’ll be back for end of season r1

[potent pivot]

I just get burnt out by the last season of expansions usually. TWW s1 I played every melee except WW in pvp, mained feral for my 3s because it was just a better rogue, etc

[jaunty osprey]

Gonna pve for a few weeks

[severe helm]

in DF I got every class over 2400 in shuffle

was a great time

DF was peak for me

game was so fun

pve and pvp

[jaunty osprey]

Nah

Both builds are good

Notrickz should def add my sudden demise into the pins though LOL

[potent pivot]

I thought I did scrub

[jaunty osprey]

Zoldyck Dashing Sudden is so much better than the DTB Sudden Demise that people are playing

[dark kernel]

It's okay man. I used to be an alchy and every season since MoP I only played the first 2 weeks. I got sober in end SL so the last few years have been my first consistent times playong

[jaunty osprey]

Wtf when did u edit

I see

LOL

[proven kayak]

Is assa good this ssn? I just delete people as sub

[dark kernel]

I've never been continuously subscribed to WoW more than now. Game is legitimately much more friendly pvp wise than any other game for older people

[abstract stratus]

i think someone already asked but why is regicide taken? or is it not anymore

[dark kernel]

League or Dota would be high ass impossible to play

[jaunty osprey]

Assa is good, yes

Is it as good as sub rogue or WW? No

[jaunty osprey]

90% of the non essential talents

dont do anything

you can do whatever you want with those extra talent points

[proven kayak]

I can’t forget what a headache was playing assa s3 of sl with all bm hunter running wild

[jaunty osprey]

Mutilate buff changes that a little

[abstract stratus]

so dropping regicide for sys failure would be kosher like a pickle right

[proven field]

for how much you press mut, it would be S-tier lol 😛

(Mut is like 15% of his dmg... it's a Poe Mut Joke....taps mic this thing is not working today)

[abstract stratus]

ill try out some shuffles and see if mut still has the same value (i enjoy suffering)

[proven field]

go get some - don't worry I enjoy suffering too - I think Ivanrah has shook his head at me more in the past month than my wife has ever

[final dew]

if you could give the most important tips for a great at 1v1/dueling sub rogue, but a bad sub rogue trying to be better at 2s or solo 3s, what would yall say?

[jaunty osprey]

Abuse DR timers

and trinkets

If an enemy healer is getting off of stun DR in 3s and you have kidney up, don’t want until the DR is over before heading towards them to stun

[jaunty osprey]

u’re lucky they buffed mutilate

bro was spamming mutilate and using blindside when it healed enemy targets

[proven field]

I think you and I use mutilate the same amount - I've been running Zoldyck/SD since pre-patch and was burnt at the stake many times as everyone was all-in on DTB.. I just... also do a few things unique to me that I enjoy and catch probably well-reasoned flack for (again, I blitz, I haven't pushed arena at all yet).. but it works, I have fun... and tbh, most talents... 1% up... 1% down... I don't think me taking Blindside will suddenly drop me from 2100 to 1800.. there's like 5-6 decisions you really need to make, then the rest is just small additive filler.. (you could run zero enchants and hit glad... but enchanting everything won't make you climb much at all)

[jaunty osprey]

Who tf is talkin bout me on Reddit

[proven field]

right now we're all tinkering with stuff, claiming something is better, but really we have a dmg meter that tells jack-shit and zero ability to ever isolate things properly so... a bunch of it is just feelings... some dude today...he's 2300, doesn't even run full Apex, dude was running DTB AND SD...

is he leaving money on the table doing that? I dunno - probably... but.. it works for him, we can't verify.. maybe its 200IQ

[severe helm]

yeah tbh assa is good its just that sub is SO EASY for how good it is that most players switching to assa think its bad but in reality theyre just bad

[jaunty osprey]

Yep

I always say, Assa is really good

Sub and WW are just a lot better

[gleaming sentinel]

the outlaw shade rofl

[severe helm]

did anyone ever confirm that the outlaw buffs didnt actually get applied

[gleaming sentinel]

god damn it

[severe helm]

or did they

I mean outlaw is hard and sucks

theres just no reason to play it

[proven field]

they only show up in instances if it's like assa

[severe helm]

unless youre a weirdo

[gleaming sentinel]

in my extensive testing (i have played 1 shuffle and 4 2s games) i cant tell

but i did just go 4-2

[potent pivot]

Nice alt bro

[rough rock]

Whazz making me want to catch up on conq on outlaw 🤣

[abstract stratus]

jw in theory if the mut buffs ARE working are we back in a situation like last season where ambush isnt even used at all in stealth and subterfuge windows?

[jaunty osprey]

Ambush isnt used at all right now

[abstract stratus]

off the bars it goes

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/you-bastard-3

[potent pivot]

I tried leveling a ww the other day

[jaunty osprey]

If you play blindside, mutilate switches to ambush automatically

[potent pivot]

I don’t see how people enjoy that spec man

[abstract stratus]

good to know

i hate ambush animation

[gleaming sentinel]

like people meme on it, but i swear its playstyle is better in shuffle than before. You can atleast pressure and kill something on your own

[rough rock]

Yeah but after playing sub every other spec in the game feels pointless lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

i mean yea do whatever you want lol

sub bores me, assa not my style i dont like managing bleeds

so i'll make it work

[jaunty osprey]

None of it is JUST feelings though

You can’t Sim for PVP

But details does work and tailoring playstyle to win conditions isn’t based off of feeling

When an enemy healer falls behind on CDs, rot and spread pressure is more impactful

DTB and SD have no synergy together and that’s a fact

[potent pivot]

“Details does work”

[jaunty osprey]

U just gotta reset it each instance

or look at the correcr round

[severe helm]

it feels so clunky to me

[jaunty osprey]

correct*

[proven field]

it doesnt show you any spell-level data though

[severe helm]

none of their buttons feel like anything

[potent pivot]

Even if you do it’s still very borked

[severe helm]

I thought I might like it cuz I like outlaw but

nah

[potent pivot]

Sometimes just wrong entirely

[severe helm]

details does not give any more info than default damag emeter

[proven field]

and it combines stuff... and it randomly splits... and you can't really swap a talent and see if things changed like you could before

[jaunty osprey]

Sudden Demise with DTB is a weird combo

aoe bleed and rot (scent of blood, sudden demise) but also have reduced poison application chance and less energy

[proven field]

shit you can't even see if you saw a 100k envenom or if it was a dream unless you scroll thru combat log before it pushes off the page

[jaunty osprey]

Zoldycks and Sudden Demise compliment each other

Just use a scrolling battle text that shows spell icons and stuff 😂

[proven field]

yeah I dont know why that dude was running it... I think he thought was maybe stack implacable until they execute for quick kills? I dunno

[proven field]

You didn't ever sit scrolling through details data... seeing what's going on... how changes affect things?

It was a big part of my play... the endless tweaking and reviewing

[abstract stratus]

if you go dts would you eve take deadly over amp like i was?

[jaunty osprey]

Obviously I scroll through details

I share a lot of my details with @potent pivot

And I can say that Garrote and Rupture are MILES above any other spell for me

[proven field]

this is perfect example where I want details... I've tried my bizarre spec running both deadly and amp... trying to see which is better... i ultimately settled that I put amp on maps where I need to take nodes, and deadly where I need spread pressure.. but I have no real way of knowing what is actually better

[jaunty osprey]

I’ve tested it

Easy way to compare

play a round with deadly and amp together

Amp does 74k, deadly did 315k

Amp also buffs envenom damage

But the thing is, if you want to play deadly

you need to change a lot of other talents

[severe helm]

yeah depends on what youre testing

if youre testing a talent for like proc chance on Sinister strike on outlaw

[proven field]

you can't really compare two rounds too, so many variables

[severe helm]

its hard to count the extra hits

[jaunty osprey]

You need fatal concotion and virulent poisons

[severe helm]

or if I wana see how hard my bte hits to see if its worth it to stack zero in for burst

[jaunty osprey]

if you play deadly

[severe helm]

I cant do that

the new damage meter is just shit

frankly

[jaunty osprey]

I didn’t compare just two rounds

I think you underestimate the amount of testing

I do

[proven field]

I dunno, I feel like you probably do a lot lol... you don't strike me as a casual person

[abstract stratus]

is the amount that amp buffs envenom worthit over the consistant tick of deadly is the question i have

[jaunty osprey]

I go by sims, actual pvp testing, practicality/playability, etc etc

[abstract stratus]

im assuming wounding and cripling is always gonna be ran so

[jaunty osprey]

Not 100% needed if playing with another rogue or bm hunter or warrior etc etc

[jaunty osprey]

It depends on the scenario

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/ivanrah/clip/AgitatedCrepuscularMushroomSuperVinlin-7W9116_k7bgy-sd8

deadly would’ve done more overall here, but wouldn’t have killed

This was before the two 4% buffs

[abstract stratus]

thats 4 poison no sd right

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

But I’m just giving an example

[proven field]

honestly though... dude could run either and never really feel a difference

maybe Ivanrah can, but you're top 1%

[terse cedar]

howd outlaw feeling? Saw kalvish team had an outlaw at some point last night

[proven field]

feels like for arena you'd probably do amped for a while until games start lasting longer, maybe deadly starts to increase in value for more rot

[potent pivot]

When we say details we mean the damage meter

With or without the addon itself

[proven field]

yeah details is like kleenex or rollerblades now

[potent pivot]

Ye it’s just the default term atp

[abstract stratus]

do you ever run hemo

[jaunty osprey]

No

Shiv is a waste of energy

[potent pivot]

Run the shiv energy talent

Unironically it’s good

[abstract stratus]

even with stiletto?

[jaunty osprey]

You lose too much util in pvp

[potent pivot]

?

[gleaming sentinel]

bring back crackshot in midnight

we tried

[potent pivot]

As sub we run shiv+energy talent

For the crippling alone

[proven field]

i love hemo and using a damage poison personally

[potent pivot]

Not saying that hemo is worth

But even just for the slow the shiv talent is rly nice

[proven field]

you time that shiv during CC and healers just.... float to heaven

[jaunty osprey]

What talent can I remove

[potent pivot]

Vial

[jaunty osprey]

Increased crimson vial healing is too good

[abstract stratus]

why no unbreakable stride?

[potent pivot]

That shit is ass

[abstract stratus]

is it really?

[potent pivot]

Ya

[abstract stratus]

color me surprised

[spring bough]

RIP

[potent pivot]

A lot of slows are just reapplied anyway

[jaunty osprey]

Ok then u switch to deadened nerves

if you remove vial

[potent pivot]

Should run nerves regardless

That’s the dr right

[jaunty osprey]

Ya I forgot to put it, ya

[potent pivot]

Then the vial energy

[jaunty osprey]

That’s feint energy

[potent pivot]

Might feel worse as assa

But as sub that’s what u drop

[jaunty osprey]

I have 30% feint uptime in arena as assa

But yeah, cant really play shiv energy talent as assa

[gleaming sentinel]

my precious

[proven field]

what about superior mixture

since you'd now be shiving

[abstract stratus]

have you seen people running control is king

[jaunty osprey]

Like trickz said, the slow just gets reapplied lol

[abstract stratus]

that seems ass too lol

[jaunty osprey]

Yes

I play it when I don’t have a teammate to tricks

[proven field]

only lose 10% slow, shiv would help

[jaunty osprey]

and no disarm needed

10% slow is a big diff

test it in a duel with some friends

1 rogue running it and the other not

[abstract stratus]

ive never been able to use dfa well

[jaunty osprey]

and duel side by side

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.twitch.tv/saul/clip/PricklyPerfectMouseTheRinger-gDIEEgrCnRByDtaM

I love DFA

[abstract stratus]

god old ui looks insane after having no wa for a few months lol

[potent pivot]

Looks so terrible lol

[jaunty osprey]

Look how much is on his screen

LMAO

imagine being a new player and watching a stream

[gleaming sentinel]

Dfa the havoc is about all
I’ve been able to do lol

[abstract stratus]

i was messing around with like 10% haste as sin and idk if it even effects energy regen

like how much haste do you actually need to even see a measurable diffrence damage aside

[quick temple]

whys it feel like outlaw hits harder

tuesday it felt the same

[severe helm]

Increased stealth move speed?

[abstract stratus]

#removesmokebombfromtheglobalcooldown