pvp

[frozen walrus]

Man, if they made SC proc from Bladerush rather than AR, it would feel so amazing.

[molten hedge]

It’s for AWC. Not a lot of ppl play ret warr or Cupid last ssn was weird

[gusty hedge]

yes they stack, some use 1 of each depending on their class

[proven kayak]

isee peopel use this x2

can i craft 2 items with the same emblishmenti guess they work i see some people who use it

[gusty hedge]

yeah again they do stack only 2 max for embelishment,
im using 2 of the one u posted on this rogue rn
another one im using devour band/ arcano weave, and another one using focusing iris/arcano weave

[proven kayak]

ah its unique 2 thank you very much man

[gusty hedge]

np this also counts for engineering ones too! found out the hard way on that one 😭

[proven kayak]

yeah thanks didnt want to learn it the hard way aswell 😄

🫡

[dark kernel]

If blizzard were a parent, Ret Paladins would be the child they kiss on the lips just long enough to make it uncomfortable.

[dark kernel]

Which on nis you

[cobalt pewter]

im the one with the hat

discussing with the boys

[dark kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102756514659303426/1485401123379609802/Angry_angry_man.gif

[gilded gulch]

you forgot mage lock

flashback to mud charge executing cvark and instant proccing seed from full health

[cobalt pewter]

glorious times...

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[spring bough]

Perfectly balanced? Blizzard could never

[cobalt pewter]

when arms war is the best melee the game is good

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/aniyabea-yt-man-stare-ab-yt-man-stare-aniyab-gif-10494397403125281154

[gilded gulch]

anytime warlock is good

my fun factor in this game

dwindles

[spring bough]

When hasn’t lock been good since TBC 😂

[gilded gulch]

they complain they get trained

while also having 3 instant ccs

[cobalt pewter]

we love when demo is meta

KAPPA

[gilded gulch]

im a big fan of how coil likes to perfectly path you out of los

[cobalt pewter]

if the healer doesnt instantly dispel coil hes bad

[gilded gulch]

it was shuffle in all fairness

[cobalt pewter]

"dispel??"

[gilded gulch]

not as bad as the arms unholy i watched double trinket

and run behind a tolviron pillar vs mm

[cobalt pewter]

sounds like a healer problem

[gilded gulch]

healer shitting his pants because hes still on the other side of the map

[abstract stratus]

dispel the kidney shot.
do it.

[gilded gulch]

though yeah dispel is how i be sounding when i dont get dispelled on hoj

that woul have won the game

[spring bough]

Auditing a county has its perks…. Just got some fresh PBA cards 😂

[gusty hedge]

cant even tell the difference after outlaw buffs

same bs damage

[dark kernel]

I unironically never see a dispel in arena until 2250 rating or higher

I am shocked when I get a dispel

[outer sky]

Even if its damage was good outlaw itself would still be bad

[gusty hedge]

[abstract stratus]

its the cabal trying to keep you pinned down

[proven field]

Ret paladin is the Cartman of specs and blizz is his mom.. “MOMMMM…I NEED MORE IMMUNITIES THEY KEEP KILLING ME” “h’ok sweetie muffins”

[dark kernel]

Ain't nobody cabaling at these ratings lmao

[abstract stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-charlie-kelly-its-always-sunny-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-pepe-silvia-gif-17601131

[ionic crown]

deathstalker is good

[dark kernel]

I'm sorry

[quick temple]

legit same numbers lol

[ionic crown]

for what

[dark kernel]

It's just flat out not as good as Trickster

[ionic crown]

dont use finality

[dark kernel]

Already not

[vocal surge]

Boutta grab that Chicago Deep Dish Pizza

[ionic crown]

then why do u think ds bad? just wanna know

[dark kernel]

It's flat out just less damage than Trickster across the board. On top of the changes to marks and Darkest night it doesn't suit subs play style of swapping regularly. You can you just lose damage in an already gimped hero spec.

[ionic crown]

so trickster is still better than ds even after 10% evis nerf?
btw mark problem will be fixed .5 patch

[gusty hedge]

lowkey feels like nerf went live but no buffs

[gilded gulch]

isnt it 10% sectech too

since flawless buffs all finishers

[dark kernel]

It's a 10% all damage nerf, but it's likely still going to be better for pvp

I severely doubt it's going to be enough to put DS in front

[gilded gulch]

its specifically finishers

that flawless form buffs

[ionic crown]

nah i mean flawless form nerfed by half in trickster

[quick temple]

spec is still template nerfed, Absterge saying he's "talked to ppl" that think Outlaw is gonna be good, like Outlaw aff lol

but then he wont hear that rsham isnt 100% bad

like will cry about rsham for 30 mins but same breath is like well outlaw is prob good

[gilded gulch]

cant see a world outlaw aff is good

[quick temple]

lol

[gilded gulch]

compared to assa aff

[ionic crown]

@dark kernel flawless form nerfed by 20%>10% 6hrs ago

[quick temple]

the fact that outlaw is still template nerfed

they're bad at their job

[dark kernel]

Yes I am aware

[outer sky]

The biggest issue with DS by far is not being able to swap your mark

The actual damage when you do have your mark feels pretty good

And I really like how DS turns Blades into a real CD

I almost want it to end sooner because Lingering Darkness feels more impactful than Blases lmao

Ive been running DS with Finality and Dark Brew

Will try more builds soon

The step CDR and the extra defensive feels good too

[dark kernel]

I could kind of see this if you went more mastery and then you ran lethality and cold-blooded killer

But then you're making yourself squishier but you're at least using the crit more too and getting some more big numbers every once in awhile

[severe helm]

Damn it should be like a 12% buff too

That's crazy

Outside of adr that is

Inside adr is like exactly the same

[outer sky]

Im doing it on my Mastery stacked rogue. I dont think Cold Blood is worth it at all. Lethality only buffs the crit damage of combo point generators and I dont think an extra 10% chance to crit a finisher following a builder crit is ever going to be good. I dont think people realize how bad that talent really is. Def never worth over strategem

[potent pivot]

says who

[molten hedge]

This is exactly what I said this morning. I hard disagree with @dark kernel

[outer sky]

People on the forums are saying the buffs didnt go through for a lot of specs, including outlaw. Like the tooltips are the same as they were last week. Idk if its true or not but it sounds possible given the number of people claiming it and also people saying they dont notice it in here.

[dark kernel]

On beta it was 100% crit for a while LOL too bad.

[outer sky]

Yeah its just 10% now

Dead talent

[molten hedge]

What are u dropping for them currently

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m almost convinced it didn’t go through I wish I had proof

Another week of pve I guess

[dark kernel]

Let's get the PvE nerds to run new numbers again, but Trickster led the board across single Target. This 10% global nerf from flawless form is a buff that Deathstalker doesn't share, but what's going to overshadow that still?

[outer sky]

Rotten, veins, and the last apex talent. Next im going to try dropping brew and adding the apex back.

[gleaming sentinel]

Need to hit keystone legend this week then I’ll
Focus on PvP

[potent pivot]

You cant go off pve

…

[outer sky]

Theres a bunch of stuff I need to try. Gotta also try 1 finality plus Rotten. Then no finality plus rotten and veins i.e. the trickster build

[dark kernel]

I mean that's how we've always started

[molten hedge]

PvE and PvP builds differ highly all the time

What

[potent pivot]

Everything has different tuning

[dark kernel]

It does now but it did not previously

[potent pivot]

???

No

Incorrect

[dark kernel]

Because the 10% nerf is a pvp template nerf only

Huh

[potent pivot]

Do you realize how many pvp mods are on abilities

[dark kernel]

I think we're both right we're just talking on different wave lengths atm

Yes I know that

This is not an easy text discussion

[potent pivot]

Trickster and deathstalker were already very close

The nerf means deathstalker is likely ahead

[dark kernel]

Here's what my theory is to simplify: despite the flawless form nerf. I still think trickster is objectively better than DS

[potent pivot]

It’s just giga annoying to play

[outer sky]

@dark kernel have you tried DS?

You should try it if not

[merry sentinel]

is fatebound still > DS for assa?

[dark kernel]

Not since beta but I have a rationale now

[potent pivot]

You’d be wrong tho

[dark kernel]

I think DS weighs stronger with Mastery

[outer sky]

Yes

[dark kernel]

And Trickstee weighs stronger with haste

[potent pivot]

Can play either really. DS is just very annoying to swap targets with.

[dark kernel]

So I need to swap all gear to test

Trickster has so much natural haste synergy with the unseen blade reset on secret tech that DS doesn't have

[potent pivot]

..

[dark kernel]

And that's a lot of latent power to ignore

[merry sentinel]

I started as Assa DS and swapped to fatebound. My problem was I was getting focused in solo shuffle and I felt like I was hitting with a pool noodle no matter my hero spec

I am feeling the mutilate buff in BGs though, its nice

hitting a bit harder now

[dark kernel]

So now we have to test DS but deathstalker sounds more ass with haste and doesn't get that benefit. Haste is worth less on DS

[potent pivot]

You can play either with either stat set up

[outer sky]

The 10% shorter sectec CD from trickster is the thing im missing most about it tbh

[dark kernel]

And that's where the value is in my opinion

[outer sky]

But DS also has some really nice QoL

[molten hedge]

I feel like I could maybe go mage as DS and step DR just not stun them til they blink

[dark kernel]

I trust you enough Zicore that I don't doubt you

[potent pivot]

Where are you getting this from

[dark kernel]

I just think trickster for a lot of rogues is going to be better, below the apex of skill level

[dark kernel]

Like logic?

[molten hedge]

I’m lost

[potent pivot]

What logic

[dark kernel]

Making my try to explain this on my mobile phone when screenshots would help is a testament of rage

[potent pivot]

Bro

[outer sky]

Yeah the issue is you dont get the CDR unless youre burning through your mark stacks which we arent doing as effectively right now because we cant swap the mark. Meaning sometimes we have to hit an unmarked target

[potent pivot]

Haste on DS is more than fine BECAUSE of things like sec tech CD

[dark kernel]

Trickster has a hero talent that resets 2 unseen blade triggers EVERY TIME you secret tech

[molten hedge]

Yeah but to be fair when I swap sometimes it’s just bc there’s a defensive I don’t want to hit through. I’m sure it is losing out on a good bit of damage.but like u said the QoL on DS is so good

It’ll be a little easier come .5

[outer sky]

Yeah plus the defensive

[dark kernel]

Deathstalker does not have anything similar to that. That ability inherently is haste prone moreso as trickster

[severe helm]

Bahahahahaha

[molten hedge]

Yeah bro step lingering tankier all super nice

[rough rock]

would we run cloak duration or the 15% less magic feint node

[severe helm]

I wonder if it's cuz there's also a pve change to the aura buff

[potent pivot]

Bait and switch into most things

[outer sky]

Lingering is low key kinda busted. Shadow Blades turns into a 50s CD lol

[severe helm]

And they overwrote each other

[molten hedge]

Yeah played some 2s games and saved bomb for lingering instead of blades lmao

[dark kernel]

I thought that talent is ass lemme wowhead

[potent pivot]

Lol

[dark kernel]

Oh no

[outer sky]

Def not ass

[dark kernel]

That's the good twlent

I was thinking of the one in Sub tree not hero tree

[rough rock]

over the other node?

[outer sky]

Lingering Darkness>Symbolic Victory

[dark kernel]

I was confusing it with Lingering SHADOW

Which is in the Sub talent tree and is very ass

[rough rock]

anything in sub tree change using this?

[potent pivot]

No

For now stick to the updated build in the pins, just with DS instead of Trickster.

If you’re trying out DS

WM+Rotten

[rough rock]

yeah i run wm over pv already

[potent pivot]

Ye I changed the pinned build to WM a couple days ago

Started to seem better than PV

Most everyone else on ladder had swapped to it

[potent pivot]

The thing is that marks do damage, singular focus does damage, darkest night and increased crit damage etc.

Now marks also have an rng proc to just insta consume a mark when you apply a new mark so you can cycle faster if you proc

And with our Apex you can cycle pretty fast regardless

Especially with haste giving a longer dance and more shadow tech/apex procs

Evis already being stronger in pvp than in pve

[dark kernel]

I'll see about what DS looks like now more hands on before I bash it further, it just sounds bad on paper when I look at it all.

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot what do u think I could play as DS

[dark kernel]

The mark damage and singular focus all felt like poo poo before

[molten hedge]

I saw zicore tested some thing but idk if you have any ideas

[potent pivot]

wdym

[outer sky]

I'm going to try the pinned build with DS now

[potent pivot]

kalv thinks the build will stay the same regardless of hero tree

[molten hedge]

Oh ok that’s what I was asking

[potent pivot]

dropping WM/Rotten for Finality is viable, but idk about "better"

everyone is valuing WM more now because its a chance to proc clones

and proc'ing clones means more shtech procs

[outer sky]

I wish we could drop hero talents and put them into our spec tree or something

This is so useless

[potent pivot]

press black powder

it actually does decent dmg now

as a ranged finisher

i think in pve they press it on really low target counts now

have seen nahj use it, especially to get other rogues back out of stealth

[rough rock]

good god the darkness night buff is kinda crazy

[dark kernel]

Every min max guides still says to black powder on three

I think a black powder on three targets is when the damage surpasses eviscerate on a single

[potent pivot]

ye

[molten hedge]

Is there a way to change my damage numbers and x/y position without an addon

[potent pivot]

but trickster used to do ST rotation in AoE

because of how strong its cleave used to be

[potent pivot]

don't think so. its barely even possible to change them at all with addons.

[scarlet nest]

useless question cause it's about outlaw but is it worth restacking combo points to 6+ before refiring BTE on Ace procs? or if you get one should you just BTE off the rip

[molten hedge]

I can’t see shit. It’s behind my nameplate and small af . Or is that a platy setting

[potent pivot]

don't think its a platy setting

[dark kernel]

Always max CP

[potent pivot]

i don't think you can put plates "behind" damage numbers

[dark kernel]

It is no longer good to use BTE when you have like four points, the damage is piss

[scarlet nest]

type shit, ty

[potent pivot]

that AegTracker addon is still gone off curseforge

[molten hedge]

Feel like I see other ppl with normal numbers. I used to have classic numbers but p sure that’s incompatible

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

Why u sus

[potent pivot]

the aegtracker addon

[molten hedge]

Oh

[potent pivot]

idk if it got pulled by curseforge for review or if the author pulled it down because it wasn't working

[warped gate]

Hey, don't we get another Catalyst charge today?

[molten hedge]

Next week

[warped gate]

adskljf;;daoispfjhiadosfp

[potent pivot]

lol

[warped gate]

I used it thinking I had another one.

I just lost so much Haste.

[severe helm]

Curseforge def working for blizzard lol

[potent pivot]

wut

[scarlet nest]

how you gettin combo points over the healthbar

[potent pivot]

platynator

[scarlet nest]

ty

[outer sky]

@molten hedge pinned build is best even for DS

15% evisc damage when it crits just cant compare to 21% strike damage twice per dance

Every dance

Not to mention WM

[potent pivot]

its really only about juicing the darkest night guaranteed crit

[outer sky]

Yeah, I just did back to back shuffles and each dance was noticeably scarier with the pinned build and I didnt really notice not having finality

[potent pivot]

ye ofc

you're not going to really notice a difference either way

[outer sky]

I noticed a difference for sure

[potent pivot]

its just moving the damage distribution from one end to the other

[outer sky]

Pinned build chunks more

[potent pivot]

idk

your history with deathstalker does not inspire me with confidence

[rough rock]

What piece we grabbing this week

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

anything really. doesn't matter at this point. trinket, w/e

[outer sky]

I was going to either get wrists or insignia

[potent pivot]

trinket is probably the "bigger" upgrade you can do this week

but now that we have all items we'll turn into tier set and weps everything else is kinda just buy at will

[rough rock]

feels like we wont get chest for a while

actually nvm looks like next week would be chest

[gusty hedge]

chest?!?

[hidden moth]

whats popin off rn

[potent pivot]

me?

[hidden moth]

ur always popin trickz

[potent pivot]

[hidden moth]

but what specs r popin and or leveling cheese

[potent pivot]

no new leveling cheese yet

just the same new addon or the shadowguard farm

still kinda early to judge where specs are going to end up after todays tuning

[hidden moth]

new addon?

shadowguard farm?

[potent pivot]

#1478034741302399250

[hidden moth]

did patch notes drop yet

[potent pivot]

patch notes for what

[hidden moth]

todays tuning

or we just expect tuning

[potent pivot]

those notes came last friday

the changes went live today

[hidden moth]

ah ic

ill go take a gander

[proven field]

Belt and wrists would give you two extra gems if you have the honor

[potent pivot]

a lot of ppl already crafted belt or wrist

cuz it was basically either belt+boots or wrist+x+x

like cloak/wrist/ring or cloak/wrist/insig

[hidden moth]

craft rings not good anymore

[potent pivot]

nope

the embellishment on rings isn't very good this expansion

[potent pivot]

#1283780831147589713

here's that if u need it

[molten hedge]

If im stacking mastery do i catalyze gloves or chest idr? i think it was chest

[potent pivot]

would still just do gloves

[molten hedge]

what stats are they

haste vers?

[potent pivot]

crit/haste

iirc

[molten hedge]

oh i think chest is crit mast

[potent pivot]

you have to get your haste from somewhere

[potent pivot]

yeah but it'll be a better budgeted vers/mast item

even "mast stacking" requires haste

you never go below 200 haste in any build

which mostly comes from tier and insignia

[molten hedge]

currently i have 200 out of pvp

with shoulders and legs and one ring

oh and insig

[potent pivot]

you'd change the ring

craft honor ilvl jewelry

can recraft it to conq later and keep gems/chants

[potent pivot]

so

https://x.com/i/status/2041446099471245584

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X · Apr 7, 2026, 9:20 AM

this thingy from the raid for ur house teleports u somewhere

i don't get why it would teleport you to tanaris though >_>

[severe helm]

Funsies

Maybe some lore reference there

[molten hedge]

Average solo shuffle experience. I’m 30-14 at the same MMR he’s played 612 games at 🤣😭

[olive sequoia]

i've been playing sin in some random bgs and even there it didn't feel like it did a lot of damage though, outside of DM, with DM and KB it's insane the amount of damage can be put out, but those are long CDs. without, my bleeds would crit for 11k max, 8k non-crit, and this is with the rupture talent and both middle apex talents.

so i might just be me but 11k crit, 8k non-crit on a 400k+ health bar doesn't seem like a lot to me

[potent pivot]

bleeds do a fair amount of dmg rn

like in arena they are by far still the biggest portions of your damage

[olive sequoia]

i mean yeah, but that's because they have the most uptime on 3 targets no ? Same as with Spriest SW:pain

[potent pivot]

they aren't always on 3 targets naw

mostly 1 at a time, cleaving them with CT if u can

[olive sequoia]

i just feel like there is no pressure coming just from bleeds anymore, but that could just be me as i am in no way an expert on these things

[potent pivot]

might be your gear or build

[olive sequoia]

the same mastery stacking i had for sub before i got the 200 haste

[potent pivot]

ye thats fine

you said random BGs so i didn't know if u were fully geared or not

[olive sequoia]

yeah as fully as possible atm

does sin still want some haste like the 200 or do i go full mastery for it

[potent pivot]

having a bit of haste from your sub gear is fine

doesn't make much of a diff

[olive sequoia]

alright ty

[pliant mauve]

So is sin cooking today or what?

[molten hedge]

It’s cooking appetizers

[pliant mauve]

Goddamnit.

I’ve been eating pizza rolls for a month now

[potent pivot]

Trimaz Midnight Sub Rogue Guide

[molten hedge]

That’s funny I just opened that lol

[potent pivot]

wdym

oh

[stoic spruce]

Idk why I did

[potent pivot]

Threads for useful info:

• #1283780831147589713
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[rough rock]

https://x.com/lvladen/status/2041617972876202490?s=46&t=9LYSSmKHQoj4DH5q_SF5PA

Lvladen (@lvladen)

Outlaw does absurd damage now LOL im glad I leveled as my first alt.

X · Apr 7, 2026, 8:43 PM

#1 rogue speaks

[spring bough]

Time to Que up some? 🤔

[potent pivot]

build pin is also updated

including outlaw 👀

that one was scuffed

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/space-jam-bugs-bunny-nope-never-heard-of-him-never-heard-of-him-ive-never-heard-of-him-gif-21892620

[rough rock]

[stoic spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/who-is-this-gif-4011795153273257473

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

Dont disrespect the king

The magegod of rogues

[gleaming sentinel]

love the click baits

INSANE ROGUE GAMEPLAY

[potent pivot]

so is outlaw just also using arcanoweave

[gleaming sentinel]

its just bgs

[potent pivot]

or what

[rough rock]

i figured most of us use prismatic

Is it the only spec in the game doing rings/neck haha

[vocal surge]

im running AGI embellishments xD

[potent pivot]

well i see that dazed went arcano, but iirc he asked here early on

i only see a couple ppl running iris

[rough rock]

hes also the only person running anything different from everyone else

[potent pivot]

outlaw on murlok is scuffed anyway tho

thats the bis for pve apparently

[rough rock]

idk i just follow the rogues with rating

[potent pivot]

wdym

nalaa was also running arcano i think

[rough rock]

he runs a different build/gear from everyone else on murlok

[potent pivot]

ah

[vocal surge]

What he runnin'?

[potent pivot]

damn its crazy to see 2 or 9 ppl on murlok for a spec

lmao

[rough rock]

vanish, and crafted gear instead of rings

[potent pivot]

2 or 7 actually

[rough rock]

To be fair hes only like 20 rating behind

not dissing him since theres literally only a few outlaws like youre saying haha

[stoic spruce]

Do I push shuffle and get my name out there

[rough rock]

But honestly feels like everyone is running something slighty different

[stoic spruce]

Or level an alt

Hmmm

[rough rock]

your names been dead

[stoic spruce]

I should get data for outlaw tbh

[stoic spruce]

Ur mom big

[rough rock]

Sorry go back to dk whiner discord

[stoic spruce]

Erm

No

[rough rock]

"wahhh why doesnt my middle of the pack spec delete people wahhhh"

[stoic spruce]

I chose sub whiner discord

[trail turret]

Well the more popular something is, the larger the consensus that gets made. If theres only a few people they all need to figure stuff out alone and AB test to see what works

[stoic spruce]

Why doesn't it?

[rough rock]

Because frost is da king!

[stoic spruce]

NOOOOOOO

Say it ain't so

[rough rock]

loooooool

but for real go play outlaw its time

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I am

Gonna be fun

Gonna be 2s or 3s tho

Shuffle makes me anxious

[rough rock]

thats cringe

[stoic spruce]

YOR CRINGE

[trail turret]

blitz is fun too ._.

[rough rock]

look at this loser having friends

ha

[stoic spruce]

[rough rock]

blitz hater

dogshit

(i went from 1783 to 1400 in 2 days and havent recovered since)\

[trail turret]

team diff, i fear

[vocal surge]

in what bracket?

[trail turret]

go agane

[rough rock]

i love losing games then finally winning just to gain no rating

:D

[gusty hedge]

games prolly below your mmr, those are the matches u need to win to gain back lost mmr

[gleaming sentinel]

where full haste mastery outlaws at

[potent pivot]

@spring bough do you use stopmacro/startattack for your devo shit

[trail turret]

i swear i remember a mastery outlaw player and randomly he was cranking. one of the top rated in whatever xpac that was (dragonflight?)

[stoic spruce]

There's someone out there for sure...

[potent pivot]

@gusty hedge ?

[spring bough]

Not really would only really want to stop a consume I just esc out of it if ever needed

[stoic spruce]

Bro stacks haste/mast

[potent pivot]

well like for havoc i use stopmacro [channeling] so nothing breaks eye beam

then i use startattack for shit like throw glaive so it auto targets when nothing is targeted

[spring bough]

Oh you talking one of those. I have it on consume/reap and everything else so void beam always finishes before I can hit anything else

[potent pivot]

yeye aight

[spring bough]

I just spam reap during the cast and it auto sends eradicate when the cast is over

Feels like you beat the GCD 😂

[potent pivot]

yea

[outer sky]

Random thought. But I've been thinking it for a while. Ya know how Blizzard said they werre "getting rid of addons" (lol) and dumbing down rotations and classes in general to make the game "more accessible"? Well, I kinda feel like shit like this is actually the most daunting "inaccessible" part of the game for new players. Like, all the macros you're supposed to have to be optimal. Idk, would be nice if they would just make the abilities themselves behave the way people want them to so we don't need all these macros.

[potent pivot]

Some people just prefer spells to act differently

I don’t think you can really design away the use for macros

[vocal surge]

So Outlaw buffs bugged or working?

rn been doing housing

[outer sky]

Some shit is just stupid though. Like on my hunter if you macro pet stun and the target is out of range itll just stun any target within range. Who would ever want that? lmao

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-insane-asylum-insane-gif-4104415833497517860

[vocal surge]

Guess imma squat on my stove n burn my feet then.

[pearl bane]

[stoic spruce]

[vocal surge]

I've yet to queue btw

[pearl bane]

its op

[vocal surge]

or do PvP

[stoic spruce]

Don't lie to the poor boy

[pearl bane]

im srs

[stoic spruce]

I'll see for myself after work in the morning

[vocal surge]

Asking because of this comment lol

[gleaming sentinel]

My king

[stoic spruce]

Tbf 12% ain't a small amount

However

This discord server has a certain reputation

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[spring bough]

What you mean by that 🤔

[spring bough]

[stoic spruce]

Trolling

[gleaming sentinel]

rogues are huge gaslighters lol

cant deny it

[stoic spruce]

I absolutely partake in the culture

[stoic lava]

so is outlaw op now

surely

[gleaming sentinel]

invisible fury warr

[trail turret]

anecdotally, it feels really nice (in blitz, yet to queue shuffle)

[stoic lava]

is it time to teamfight only outlaw

[trail turret]

Nah, util is too good for objectives. if for whatever reason ur team got almost no good teamfighters u can brawl pretty well tbh

[stoic spruce]

That'd be nice

Our cleave is shit

[trail turret]

i wouldnt call it shit, but yeah its better to take skirmishes/duels for objective value

[stoic spruce]

They'd have to unnerfed BF for all dat team fighting

[gleaming sentinel]

for that comment? 2% bf nerf

[stoic spruce]

It's absolutely poopy butt and I'll die on that hill

Actually Dazed was just here, he'd know more than either of us

@pearl bane Is BF cleave poopy or nah?

[quick temple]

bladeflurry is mad good wdym lol

[stoic spruce]

Nah

Pre midnight yeah

[trail turret]

i wouldnt call it mad good, but it feels like a perfectly fine button to push

[stoic spruce]

It's been cut in half since

[quick temple]

for a button press its decent cleave, not at all bad

[stoic spruce]

When we had PC

I'd actually argue it's pad

[quick temple]

which is Outlaw's forte lol

at least it spreads crip

[stoic spruce]

That's the polar opposite of what BF is supposed to be 💀

[stoic spruce]

Ig

I wish the PS effect flurried as well

[quick temple]

Outlaw just has no clear distinct big dam button they could honestly just give it some sort of orientation in bte/scoundrel strike + dispatch/KS/ pistol shot ala greenskins wickers

if its bte idk why its nerfed like 3 ways

[stoic lava]

time to level alt outlaw and be a teamfight terrorist

[stoic spruce]

The scoreboard will love it

[rough rock]

At least we arent forced into playing ambush

id jump

[stoic spruce]

Dropping Tight Spender right now would make me not play this season ngl

[trail turret]

are you one of the guys that was championing the double vanish build btw? i forgot to ask, what points are you dropping to get it? lethality cb + what

[stoic spruce]

SC

[spring bough]

WTB dreadblades…… dying to have it back

[stoic spruce]

Fr

And you know what? Imma take it a step further

And say to take fth away

[trail turret]

o i dont even run supercharger anyway

[spring bough]

Nah just revert DF season 1 nerfs to it

So it fills CP bar up

[stoic spruce]

Then why have DB if opp fills CP bars

Wasting it

Smh

[spring bough]

What would you want to replace FTH with

[stoic spruce]

DB

And 1 less max cp

[spring bough]

Idk if I could make that trade lol

[stoic spruce]

I would everytime

6cp, no fth, DB?

Yessir

[stoic spruce]

You know that's just SL outlaw right?

Minus covenant stuff

Are you saying you hate SL outlaw?

[severe helm]

Bro outlaw without fth would be brainrot

[stoic spruce]

It was fine without it before

[severe helm]

When did we not have it

Oh you mean with opp still

[stoic spruce]

Legion-SL

[severe helm]

I mean same same

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

LMAOOO

[severe helm]

Fth is just opp that stacks to two

Not sure why we'd want to remove it though

Gun go brr

[stoic spruce]

Boooooo

All I want is SL in its entirety

Is that too much to ask?

SL Outlaw*

1:1

We're sure to have bandits guile back if we keep heading this direction

[severe helm]

Which version

SL had multiple outlaws

[stoic spruce]

All of them

[severe helm]

Depending on which season and legendary and covenant

[stoic spruce]

Ignore tuning

All cov and leggos

Except sepsis

Should've never left the paper they wrote it on

[severe helm]

True that shit was so bad

It was only ever used just for its raw damage that one season they overtuned it

[potent pivot]

its kinda crazy

that even the rwf rogue has to tweet "rework rogue"

ignored ass class fr

[molten hedge]

i can confirm ww still fucks jesus lol

[gleaming sentinel]

it feels so bad in pve ngl

[stoic spruce]

It feels like in the borrowed power era before you got your borrowed power

[severe helm]

Lol was it exile?

[gleaming sentinel]

The new roll the bones is cheeks

[stoic spruce]

What's the opposite of growing on you?

That's what its doing to me

[molten hedge]

has anyone tested haste vs mast in shuffle

on sub

in rmp im gonna try mast but just curious in shuff isnt haste better supposedly

[potent pivot]

2nd haste breakpoint feels way better for shuff

[molten hedge]

Noted

god dude idk if its the rating im at or what but ppl just randomly dying fucking left and right with nothing going on

[potent pivot]

Anything that is more pve/overall dps centric

Like sub/lock sub/sp etc I think too

[molten hedge]

its frustrating how specs like bm are so good rn that they can win and not even trap half the time

[potent pivot]

Shuffle is pretty damn scuffed this season

[molten hedge]

it feels horrible ye

[pearl bane]

It’s p good into cleaves

Been playing. The cleave talents

Think improved between the eyes talent is mega bugged

Also I think between the eyes is bugged in general

Does 0 dmg half the time and a lot the other half even with all the modifiers and procs

[dark kernel]

yall wont believe me

but I barely missed getting a game of cdew here for a 4-2

[molten hedge]

anythings possible in shuff

[dark kernel]

and I was playing dogshitto

@potent pivot I also agree with you, while it's very strange Deathstalker seems slightly ahead. It's almost ENTIRELY from a difference in eviscerate damage

My DPS gap is like almost exactly 3000 and eviscerate is doing 3000 more DPS on average

[stoic spruce]

Gotta look into this bug

[potent pivot]

ye a lot of the dmg you trade off just comes back as evis

[dark kernel]

I will say. Playing both trickster and playing deathstalker both feel terrible

[potent pivot]

wdym

[molten hedge]

lmaoo

slit the new zicore

DS feels super good to me im able to keep up with mage (frost harder bc snares but shiv is nice)

i should say at times bc they have their little tricks

[dark kernel]

I do not feel like I have any substantial kill pressure now

[molten hedge]

are u just like kidneying healer and call it a day

[dark kernel]

these are not good example games

but just my damage is so LOW

even playing against heavy kiting classes or shitty team comp as this is

[potent pivot]

you're a fucking stun bot buddy

never gonna change

[dark kernel]

yeah and that's poo in shuffle

[potent pivot]

too many cringe crybabies

[dark kernel]

might as well go outlaw and take kidney off my bars

just role play

OH FUCKING YEAH

I forgot I have it saved in Cdews Vod

Deathstalker still loses its fucking Mark

You cant run this shit into paladins period

i had no mark every game

LOL

[potent pivot]

i need clips

ivan said he hasn't had it bug at all

[molten hedge]

i havent noticed it either

[dark kernel]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2742627555

it just happened his vod like 30 minutes ago

2:02 hour mark

Its not my perspective unfortunately so I doubt it's much good

[molten hedge]

did u reapply with ss

[dark kernel]

but I had one shuffle where I actually paused during the match and checked everything, tried reapplying from stealth 2x, nothinig

like it was just gone gone. I did run trickster, but only 1 of the 6 matches

[potent pivot]

can you nvidia shadowplay it or something

because yea i don't think i can even see the DSM visual above them from someone else's pov

[dark kernel]

yeah, i realized that

[potent pivot]

or did u play trickster in round 1

[dark kernel]

ill look for it and if anything I'll just play more games and record tomorrow

tonight i barely even have time

[potent pivot]

which round did u play trick

[dark kernel]

i dont even know i think it was round 2 or 3 honestly

i know I zoned in Deathstalker

[potent pivot]

kk

ill skip around through all the rounds to see if i can see anything but yea

someone else also said the same thing about pallies earlier in kalvs cord

so

i'm not doubting you at all

just want to see as much proof as possible of it working or not working

because if it still bugs out from pally immunes, it likely can bug from other shit

not really worth using depending on how bad it is

[molten hedge]

lets just get lvladen to make a video ab it itll be fixed tomm

[hybrid sapphire]

do we save conq for chest this week?

[potent pivot]

can just buy trinket or somethin

don't need chest for tier, should already have the 4 pieces you'll use

[hybrid sapphire]

wait what

[proven field]

good lord got hit with a 200k echo of ravage lol

[potent pivot]

?

Wait are u gearing assa or something idr

[warped gate]

I fucked up so bad, I wish I knew about this LFR shit at the beginning of the season.

Great Vault gave me a piece I bought with Conquest already, and I converted a piece to tier thinking I had two charges.

If I do LFR and get the piece that I converted today, I’m gonna crash out.

[fathom crag]

any intel on outlaw after buff

[warped gate]

It’s funny how the influencers think on it.

I saw one video that had us near the top saying we’re basically the peak melee, meanwhile Skill Capped had us still as the worst in the game.

[fathom crag]

rogue is like budget WW

[warped gate]

I didn’t do anything yet, I’m gonna exhaust LFR first to see if I can get four set before I enter Shuffle.

[jaunty osprey]

all im saying is that it could be user error

and you didnt consume your darkest night

to reapply

after bubble

as i've told @potent pivot before, it's likely user error

when people are claiming a bug for DS

[potent pivot]

Spec has just been kinda dead

[jaunty osprey]

but ya, hard to tell without your pov - could still be bugging, but i havent had it bug and i've clipped several times of reapplying after paladins bubble/mages block etc etc

[fathom crag]

they could even buff a bit more i swear it would feel useless still

[potent pivot]

Yep

[fathom crag]

outlaw needs a rework

i made a lot of feedbacks on beta on giving the free cheap shot on rogue tree instead of sub

guess they don’t want

[potent pivot]

Ye I’ve been saying the same thing for a while

[fathom crag]

cus rn outlaw has shit MS and just constant damage

WW has better constant, burst, mobility even id say

[jaunty osprey]

it's funny because outlaws have the same amount of stuns as a warrior now

[fathom crag]

it’s a complete rework that we need and that’s not happening

[quick temple]

they could remove a lot of the template nerfs and the spec would have merit

[stoic spruce]

Stealth resetting the cooldown of CS would be nice too

[molten hedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/thechefval/clip/FastTrustworthySpindleKappa-1rlGyAYZt_FxmKcE

@potent pivot

see grounding

[proven kayak]

I’m very confused about addons haven’t play since df s1

[marsh yacht]

Arena Core. Tailor to your needs

[stoic spruce]

In pve?

Oh I'm dumb nvm

[proven kayak]

Pvp

Haha no worries

[stoic spruce]

Yeah forgot the channel I was in

[proven kayak]

I gotta look out

[marsh yacht]

I still use the little team mate markers and font in pve tho lol

[proven kayak]

I just need cd in seconds drs and arena plates I never used a lot

[stoic spruce]

I need to get my pvp add-ons ready

[marsh yacht]

Mines pretty clean too. Big team mate markers tho

[proven kayak]

Hinden this one has plates drs and omnicd like attached ?

[marsh yacht]

It’s basically gladius but I like it more. And you can do a lot with nameplates too

Idk if it has onnicd stuff but I’m not at pc rn

[proven kayak]

No worries thanks

[severe helm]

Lololol

They have an aoe blind too

But it's full duration

When aoe

And a stronger ms

And are tankier

[stoic spruce]

AoE snare too with that pvp talent right?

Battlefield commander

They have a fear, 2 stuns, heals, a good ms, other stuff I'm forgetting

Lore accurate warrior tbh

A slow

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

that looks like its just minicc right

or were u referring to the position

[mint flame]

whats the pros to mastery vs haste for sub? seen alot of top players stack mastery and some half and half it feels like

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

you will mainly see people using either the 200 haste breakpoint or the ~600-700 breakpoint

anyone not running either of those is just clueless at this point rly

Higher haste tends to be higher overall dps

Higher mast can be higher burst

[proven kayak]

It got all I needed thanks only missing my CDs in seconds

Shown in big numbers I mean

[vocal surge]

Absolutely shredding clothies

[terse cedar]

When is AWC?

Isn't it today?

[potent pivot]

no

oh

[potent pivot]

the 'open bracket' thing is today ig

[vocal surge]

YOOOOOOOOOO

4-0

[potent pivot]

i will never understand how u play like this

[stoic spruce]

Like what

That's a super high chat bar

[vocal surge]

Aye 5-1

Died in the 5th round because Intimidation got me through Smoke Bomb

was gonna Vanish out

[potent pivot]

its just full default ui

looks so bad

[stoic spruce]

I think you're just hatin

[potent pivot]

[vocal surge]

It just works

[potent pivot]

https://klipy.com/gifs/too-tiny-ken-jeong

[stoic spruce]

Don't need a whole lotta bells and whistles

Maybe YOURS just look bad

[potent pivot]

nop

[vocal surge]

I got no addons to tell me if people got CDs or not

[potent pivot]

mine is crafted to perfection

[potent pivot]

no one does

know what i just realized

they finally got rid of all of ww's buggy ass clones

and just gave them all to sub

[vocal surge]

Never been so hard countered by WW till now xD

Had a massive brainfart mid shuffle round wondering what to do

because my grapples get canceled

by ring of peace or their slow rooting

My goes get CC'd so often

[warped gate]

MOTHER—

FUCKING—

—'EYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

The very LAST boss, of the very LAST LFR I had available to me!

Down the wire!

I didn't wanna go helm because I wanted to use Engineering Goggles to pack on some Vers, but I got four set!

I'm cheesing my ass off right now! 😁

[potent pivot]

you don't have to go helm

now you've unlocked the 4 set achievement

so you will be looting catalyst charges from doing content

[warped gate]

Wait.

[potent pivot]

can catalyst any conquest piece you want

[warped gate]

Oh wow, fr?

[potent pivot]

ya

[warped gate]

Oh, nice!

What type of content does it drop from?

[potent pivot]

everything

but its rng

winning pvp stuff, m+, raid, world bosses, etc

[warped gate]

Ohhh, nice!

I didn't have enough Conquest to Varnish it anyway, so yeesh, in my bag it goes.

I can't believe I won it.

Usually luck is never on my side.

It's why I like PvP so much, just earn the points to buy the shit you want.

Don't have to rely on Mr. Dragon dropping it, then you outrolling your buddies.

[potent pivot]

starting to level mine as we speak

[warped gate]

That was my class before I rerolled to Rogue.

This is me:

[potent pivot]

yep. the only thing we're really missing is proper stat allocations on items

[warped gate]

And the guys above is after it became OP.

[potent pivot]

instead of having to wait forever to craft things like weapons

it really doesn't make sense anymore

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cute-go-cheering-rage-gif-16641949

[warped gate]

I really, really miss Reforging.

[potent pivot]

when other classes that use 1h can pick pretty much any stats they want

[warped gate]

I stockpile those compliments right alongside those times old ladies tell me I'm handsome.

[vocal surge]

Aye

I may have went 3-3

but that's fine

I'll take it

The Healer learned from my words

DiscP

when he didn't think Voidweaver can get run down

and I proceeded to run him down

[warped gate]

Wow, a Hearthstone dropped from that new LFR too.

Some Light RP shit.

Pallies are eating.

All that shiny armor, they got a Light Gundam mount, thise Hearthstone that you don't even need to roll for, it's just a reward.

Then again.. what would be a Rogue mount?

Like.. a dog with a bandana?

[vocal surge]

x)

Btw, the other thing too

Outside of that WW SS match

I've been topping the DPS charts

[warped gate]

I was usually at the bottom of charts, so I'm gonna keep my eye on it when I queue up.

[vocal surge]

I swap between Trickster and Fatebound

Mail+ targets, Fatebound

Cloth/Leather, Trickster

[warped gate]

I gave that shit up, I was getting cooked going Trickster, but as soon as I went Fatebound exclusively, stonks went up.

[potent pivot]

make sure you go get this toy

[vocal surge]

Everytime I go Trickster into Cloth/Leather

I shred people up

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=250319/researchers-shadowgraft#screenshots

[vocal surge]

like mad crazy

[warped gate]

[vocal surge]

That's good to know lmao

[potent pivot]

[vocal surge]

AYYO

THEY CHANGED THE TRINKET COSTS

Badge, Insignia, and Emblem costs 525 now

[tame barn]

yo @outer sky and @potent pivot if ive been following this and now have a 4set, what should i buy next ?

[potent pivot]

just buy insignia trinket or whatever else you might want

at this point it doesn't really matter

[tame barn]

oh ok ty

got it

[potent pivot]

old news homie

[vocal surge]

what about mail classes having 1 less heraldry cost on their chest piece?

[potent pivot]

yer

surprised that wasn't fixed insta

[tame barn]

wait notrickz, i have 1 dawnliught manaflux, shouldnt it be two ?

i have a 2 set, and only 1 spare manflux, and ive hit 1.6

[warped gate]

I'm gonna buy a Conquest Haste ring since I got an Honor Haste ring. Just take advantage of the fact that they're not Unique-Equipped before I get a second ring.

[potent pivot]

no

we get our 4th catalyst charge next week

they come every 2 weeks

[tame barn]

ah ok ok

oh woow

ok

[warped gate]

I just found that shit out too earlier.

[potent pivot]

you can craft 2 haste/vers conquest level rings

[warped gate]

Ahhh, I keep forgetting about crafting.

Honestly, since you can pick the stats on crafting stuff, is it worth getting the default Conquest gear over just getting that slot crafted?

[potent pivot]

depends on how much vers you want

[warped gate]

I wanted as much as possible until someone told me to stop that because of DR's.

[potent pivot]

because crafted gear is equally statted

[warped gate]

It's why I went Goggles and Bracers, so I could just single stat as much Vers as I could.

[potent pivot]

you don't really need to worry about stat DRs

like ever in wow anymore

[warped gate]

Then say less, I'm going ham with as much Vers as I can muster.

More damage and less damage taken when I'm trained.

And Crit got cucked.

I mean, I gueeess I need some boring ass Haste to hit 20%.

But after that Vers my ass off.

[warped gate]

But anyway, why is that?

On the guides and shit I read, it usually said after 20% that it wasn't worth it anymore.

[potent pivot]

think you need a smidge more than 20%

its around like 21-23% or something idr

[potent pivot]

because the way stat DRs work, is every 10% more that you have of the stat, the actual stat rating gives slightly less %

[wanton breach]

I just learned about it, I never bother to look at trinkets early season

[vocal surge]

LMAO

[potent pivot]

but whatever the % shows on your character sheet, is always true

[vocal surge]

I just dropped kicked the lock in my lobby

with a 2 smack

[potent pivot]

so like after 20% vers

the actual vers rating on gear starts to give like 0.1% less percentage than it would before that

but if you have 30% vers, you have 30% vers

if that makes sense

[warped gate]

The last part does.

Okay wait, I get it now.

[stoic spruce]

How's outlaw feeling

[potent pivot]

mastery DR is different for all specs

iirc

[stoic spruce]

Keep an eye out for BtE bugs, Dazed believes there's something mysterious afoot

[warped gate]

Sometimes I randomly think about that one Outlaw who was like.. #2 or 3 on the Shuffle ladder while stacking Mastery.

He had an insane name and transmog.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LethalJokeCharacter

[vocal surge]

Topping

[warped gate]

Just checked and wow, I'm not even close to the limit on any of those.

1,360-something on Vers is my highest.

[vocal surge]

Sadge

Monk healer got tilted too fast in this match

he ended up playing bad

[warped gate]

Always the healers.

[vocal surge]

ended with 4-2

Ironically

the game could've been 6-0

if the monk went in for the touch of death

But he didn't at all

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-akakichi-no-eleven-redraws-insane-asylum-insane-gif-4104415833497517860

[potent pivot]

those aren't limits bro

thats what i'm trying to tell you

[warped gate]

Nah, I mean it's wild that that's how high you gotta go to DR.

[potent pivot]

thats where the first DRs begin, but you legit never really need to worry about the DRs

like vers is a meh stat for most specs

so a lot of pvpers don't go past 20% especially in a s1 of a new expansion where stat budgets are really low

but when vers is rly good for your spec you can kinda just keep going as much as you think is best

otherwise you wouldn't see assa/sub rogues trying to go to 100% mastery

[potent pivot]

ye thats just the first DR gate

[warped gate]

wtf is that emoji bro

XDDD

[potent pivot]

after that gate, you DR more every 10% of the stat

[vocal surge]

Vers is easy to heavily DR too

Especially past 40%

45% is the brick wall

[rugged fractal]

I assume these stat values are in pvp?

i.e. hitting a target dummy

[potent pivot]

yeah

it does need to be updated

because there's 2 options for haste breakpoints on sub

and the haste breakpoint on outlaw is slightly higher than listed there

[dark kernel]

I mean... That sounds plausible but for 30 seconds I never eviscerate sounds completely....unfathomable. I'm not going to hit another finisher lol

[tame barn]

guys

is 597 haste PVP enough?

[rugged fractal]

are there any good guides for sub rogue? the only one I have seen thats pretty good is Trimaz's video. Particularly on how to play in 3s

[molten hedge]

The other day I was asking if I could get the icon by the health bar of like cap and grounding totem, and I’m pretty sure you said they removed that capability. Also he has 123 over nameplates. I thought they removed that too. I think they’re both BBP :/

[rugged fractal]

type !stats in chat

[tame barn]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[molten hedge]

#pvp message

That convo @potent pivot

[tame barn]

yeah ive been told but i dont understand it

cuz i js bought a ring and that threw my haste down 30 points

[rugged fractal]

im no expert but if ur 597 i think thats good enough per the chart above

[crisp imp]

so, what to buy / craft this week?
i will have 850 conq. i dont have the chest yet. cant buy it this week it seems?

[tame barn]

ok ty ❤️

[rugged fractal]

bumping this question again

[jolly sierra]

heyo guys tell me how tf did u got the catalyst charges outside the regular charges and the 1k6 achiv? (no, i wont m+ or do normal raids)

[potent pivot]

you can't get any extra catalyst charges until unlocking the achievement of having 4 set

so you get 1 catalyst charge every 2 weeks, and 1 extra charge from hitting 1.6k

[jolly sierra]

fucking unfair then

[potent pivot]

the only way to get 4 set right now as a pvper is to do the raid and buy lacquer/varnish to make it into pvp ilvl

[jolly sierra]

just got a lot of shit this week in vault

and former one

[potent pivot]

or if you get pve tier and unlock the 4 set achieve, you can farm catalyst charges

and catalyst any item you want

[jolly sierra]

yeye ik but no luck

[potent pivot]

probably just buy conquest insignia

[jolly sierra]

fuck it i wont get it this week either then

[potent pivot]

the icon looks like miniCC

because of that red glow

it didn't even look like he was using BBP in the vid

yeah thats defo just miniCC

the arena 123 on plates can be done by multiple addons

sweepyboops and a couple others iirc

even arena core can do arena 123

[potent pivot]

thats the only one basically

everything else is pretty shit

you can learn how to do damage by just reading the wowhead pve guide

but most pvp guides are either bad or outdated

[molten hedge]

Oh ok I wonder which setting it is. I’m not a fan of Val’s UI, but I do like that. And as for 123, the better blizz guy told me that was getting rid of a month or two ago. So that’s good to know

[molten hedge]

Since our dam got nerfed, a lot of times you create pressure thru cc chains. The Trimaz video showed shuffle not 3s like you mentioned. You saw the new vid?

[potent pivot]

there's only 1 sub vid i think

[crisp imp]

u mean the trinket to remove cc?

[dark kernel]

Good morning friendly rogues

[potent pivot]

no, conquest insignia

[potent pivot]

[molten hedge]

I’m watching this vid now makes me sad

[potent pivot]

why lol

[molten hedge]

Good times

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

I read what Ivan said last night about me not using My darkest night buff and that resulting in me losing marks, but how is any Rogue never eviscerating for 30 seconds you know?

I'm not ruling it out. But I am not that bad of a player LOL

[potent pivot]

yea idk

doesn't really make any sense

skill doesn't really matter, no one is just not pressing evis for 30sec

the only thing that would make sense there is that the bug is stopping darkest night from even being consumes and reapplying a mark

darkest night being up does fuck with applying a new mark from strikes, but not evis'ing just doesn't seem likely

[jaunty osprey]

Or I’m thinking a bug could be if darkest night is sent into an immune

(Haven’t tested)

[dark kernel]

That one is highly more plausible in this scenario

Like if you send an empowered of this rate into an immunity that it's gone or it's just unable to be used

[jaunty terrace]

better to rush 4p before no?!

[potent pivot]

should already have all pieces needed for 4p