pvp

[severe helm]

cuz you can detect when your ally is in cc

it also prob wont track if you fade a cc

or something

[jolly sierra]

so, is this suppossed to be an omnicd replacement?

[potent pivot]

basically yea

liquid just won the race

holy fuck

[severe helm]

USA

[spring bough]

Back to the moon and RWF???? Back to back champs

[potent pivot]

back to back to back to back to back

this like liquid's 4th? win in a row i think

[spring bough]

Swept TWW

So would be four right

[dark kernel]

I cannot remember who killed the last boss of dragon flight first

I thought it was Liquid as well but maybe echo got that one

[potent pivot]

i think echo won amirdrassil

[severe helm]

and back to the middle east!

[steady grail]

what are best stats for sub pvp?

[molten hedge]

Ya I prefer not to use them bc they’re wrong half the time

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[potent pivot]

want bare minimum 200 haste rating when scaled up for pvp ilvl, up to 600-700

the rest mastery

and obv vers on every piece, so like 20% vers at least usually

[steady grail]

i have 560 haste scaled

damn so gotta craft some pvp items

[stiff cedar]

yo trickz have you loaded the aegtracker thing? i'm trying to mess with it rn and unless it's the first addon ever to not consider skirms an arena, it just doesn't load at all

[potent pivot]

i have not gotten on and tried it yet

[potent pivot]

it just came out today so like

gonna have to give it some time

there's likely bugs etc

[stiff cedar]

yeah and i don't mind that just trying to get it to load at all

[steady grail]

what embelishment for rings ??

there is not arcanoweave

[outer sky]

Don't put embellishments on rings

The ring embellishments are crap

[potent pivot]

we didn't craft conq rings this season

[steady grail]

what should i craft then

[potent pivot]

does Aeg not know anything about it ?

[potent pivot]

#1283780831147589713

[potent pivot]

BliZziInterrupts

[stiff cedar]

ty

[potent pivot]

copy/paste that to him

i can't talk for 10min

[stiff cedar]

he got it i think

[potent pivot]

but he doesn't even know what AegTracker is?

that makes me kinda sus of the addon

[stiff cedar]

it doesn't sound like it's his

which is rly, rly weird

bc Aeg is not exactly generic lmao

[potent pivot]

i mean i knew he didn't make it

but i thought maybe he paid someone to or something

[stiff cedar]

oh i see what you mean yeah

[potent pivot]

it only has 30 installs

so

idk how thoroughly curse vets addons before approval

[steady grail]

ok belt and boots

[stiff cedar]

ah

[steady grail]

but its not possible arcanoweave on boots?

[potent pivot]

tell him its omnibar

[potent pivot]

yes it is

[steady grail]

oh there are some kind of engi pvp boots lmao

[potent pivot]

don't make those

just regular pvp belt/boots

[stiff cedar]

the dev is a friend of aeg's

dunno if you're still in his stream

[potent pivot]

i've been hopping in and out

[potent pivot]

kk that puts my mind at ease about it at least

but it doesn't seem to be working

[stiff cedar]

ya

it actually loaded for him

but it's just doing nada

[potent pivot]

it need offensive CDs

and defensive CDs

[stiff cedar]

needs to actually put them on cd when it lands

[potent pivot]

ofc

[stiff cedar]

but yeah it'd be sick to have that back

is the zae defensives your recommended omnicd?

i tried exactly one and it just gave fake info like having/not having stuff so i just quit trying

[potent pivot]

its the best omnicd equivalent that exists atm

but only for 3v3/2v2

your team mates have to have it too

so

[stiff cedar]

heard

won't be hard for 3s

[potent pivot]

there's other omnicd equivalents

they aren't as accurate

but are prob better for shuff

like just miniCC ig

[potent pivot]

BliZziInterrupts doesn't even seem worth using for arena no ?

thats a pve team kick tracker

[severe helm]

I wish

I could get the countdown color numbering back

from omnicd

thats one of the things I miss the most

but p sure thats just like explicitly not supported anymore

[stiff cedar]

i can't even get it to come up is that for sure the spelling?

[potent pivot]

yes

just search blizzi

[stiff cedar]

ah i wasn't spacing

[potent pivot]

pretty sure kalv has something similar

[stiff cedar]

oh

yeah this is just m+ stuff lmao

[potent pivot]

ya

lol

[stiff cedar]

his only other addon is a crest calculator

sooooo im gonna assume it's not for arenas LOL

[severe helm]

theyre just all orange though

I want it to like color red when it goes below X number

that was the default omnicd behavior and I got so used to it

I can prob do some things like use the blizzard sound effects when something comes off cd

[potent pivot]

surely one of the CDM addons has something

[severe helm]

im not sure cuz you cant actually check spell cooldown

its not part of the api afaik

so you cant create a trigger to recolor it at a certain duration

it would have to be some blizzard supported thing that returns some value like "cooldown low"

blizz hid stuff like charges and actual cooldown value specifically so you cant do even trigger based stuff

you have to infer cooldown when some other api call implies that something is used

but if an ability has cdr that no longer works

[potent pivot]

ic

[potent pivot]

That Omnibar addon isn’t working btw

@jaunty osprey

Shows some spells that don’t exist anymore and the spells don’t go on CD when the enemy uses them

So I guess it still needs work

[terse cedar]

why dont good players use @cursur macros for spells? I haven't seen a single like GOOD player use it for some reason, my friends telling me its 10x better and why woudnt you use it

[potent pivot]

a ton of them do use them for certain spells, as well as [@player] to target the reticle spell on themselves

but some specific spells can require a more fine-tuned positioning, so aren't generally used with [@cursor]

context of what spells you're asking about would help

[terse cedar]

Frost trap, ice nova, shadow fury for example

[potent pivot]

for most CC reticle abilities, you want more control of the positioning

some REALLY good/experienced players DO [@cursor] them

like Bicmex does [@cursor] for his traps i'm like 99% sure

but he has also been playing hunter for god knows how long

and generally he CCs before trapping so the target can't move afaik

things like traps, ring of peace, etc. you probably don't want to [@cursor]

[terse cedar]

At some point though woudnt you just know where to place it? would you really need to have the indicator?

[potent pivot]

things like AMZ or DnD from DKs for example, are more than fine to [@cursor] or [@player]

[potent pivot]

the reticle indicator is just always going to make you way more accurate

[molten hedge]

When I play huntard I just yeet them muhfuckas

[potent pivot]

i don't [@cursor] my freezing trap

but i do for things like tar trap etc

[molten hedge]

Surv arguably the easiest to land trap if you harpoon

[potent pivot]

yea

[molten hedge]

Bicmex told me for rshams just aim 1 mm above their head and to the right to snipe their grounding

Lmao

[potent pivot]

i also usually have like outlaw hook on [@cursor]

[terse cedar]

I guess so, I just thought since it makes you slower and wow feels such a fast paced gamed that having the indicator would just be innefficient

[potent pivot]

doing something a little slower is fine

you usually have time to do those kinda things

[potent pivot]

wut

[molten hedge]

Some shit like that no lie lol

Bro has just been doing it too long

I love bismix

Bexsmes

[outer sky]

@potent pivot how do I move where this is on my screen???

[potent pivot]

you delete the addon.

[outer sky]

seriously?

You cant move it?

[potent pivot]

it doesn't work

the addon

does not work

[outer sky]

ah

[potent pivot]

i'm pretty sure moving it is shift/ctrl click

or both shift and ctrl

[outer sky]

I tried all of it

[potent pivot]

but the addon just doesn't work rn so

delete

[outer sky]

none of it moved it

[potent pivot]

i watched someone move it earlier

with their cursor

[outer sky]

Maybe another addon lmao

to move it

[potent pivot]

no

moving it doesn't matter anyway

because you just delete it for now

[trail turret]

Is outlaw lookin good next patch? What are you guys doing for crafted gear/embellishments, seeing a lot of conflicting stuff o.O

[potent pivot]

you have to click the white text at the top

[potent pivot]

no

[gilded gulch]

if the spec gets redesigned

otherwise i feel its just going to suck unless the damage is overtuned

[outer sky]

The only good thing about Outlaw is it can respec sub

[trail turret]

even with the 12% dmg buff? the damage didnt feel too bad with just my honour gear

[stiff cedar]

it's super weird it fkd with me too, none of the mod+clicks work you have to click just on where it says AegTracker

like that white text is the only actually clickable hitbox

but yeah it's confirmed broken anyways but if it gets fixed 🤞 that's how

[potent pivot]

outlaw's issues aren't damage related

[rough rock]

Wth do i do against a ret/bm

Was just nonstop damage i couldnt avoid

[stoic spruce]

It's looking alright, nothing crazy

[trail turret]

So remember when i said conflicting information lol

[stoic spruce]

Well those are sub players who play sub

And they have infinite CC

[trail turret]

I can tell, buncha haters

[stoic spruce]

So everything is worse than them

[outer sky]

Yeah because outlaw is doing great. Just not as great as sub

we're reaching levels of copium never before thought possible

[hybrid ermine]

Hey are there any videos out there that discuss battlefield tactics on youtube?
Figure it'd be fun to watch.

[trail turret]

heal cut, 2 stuns, incap, blind, disarm. outlaw cc isnt even bad

[hybrid ermine]

For rogues specifically, but any will do.

[outer sky]

This is a terrible argument. You don't gauge the power of a spec by listing its buttons. What matters is how they convert them into a win condition. And outlaw is dramatically failing at doing so. You have to consider those CC DRs, Cooldowns, their synergies, so much

[trail turret]

omnivore has some generic blitz stuff if thts what you're looking for, hes a bit more warrior focused tho, but he talks about all specs

[hybrid ermine]

thanks i'll check it out rn

[potent pivot]

lol

"2 stuns"

one of which is a 2 minute cooldown

you asked if outlaw was looking good next patch, all we did was answer

[outer sky]

Its disingenuous coping. They're just listing buttons.

[rough rock]

you rememeber how your character ends up in the show? Imagine that every shuffle you play

[hybrid sapphire]

wait did everyone get this? this shit is goated

oh wait... my rings already go to 276 in arena... nvm

[rough rock]

[hybrid sapphire]

[stoic spruce]

If y'all can't create a win condition with that that's absolutely on yall

Also outlaws 100% going double vanish fwiw

[trail turret]

still far more cc than basically every other class, and if the damage is decent too it cant be as dogshit as you're making it out to be, is my thought. Is it as good as sub, yeah probably not, cuz sub is super overtuned. But i asked if its decent not if its op unbeatable super strong free wins

[rough rock]

im surprised none of the high ranked people are yet

[potent pivot]

There are multiple things wrong with this statement

If you want to delude yourself that is fine

[stoic spruce]

They're not playing outlaw lolol

[potent pivot]

You should play whatever you want regardless

[stoic spruce]

[trail turret]

Hard to get info on outlaw cuz sub is so overbearing most rogue players are just playing that instead. I am well aware it is the stronger spec, i just find outlaw more enjoyable, but its not fun when its a useless tickle monster

[rough rock]

on murlok

[hybrid sapphire]

ppl laugh at me as assa. they point and they laugh. and throw tomatoes too

[stoic spruce]

Hasn't caught on yet ig idk

It's night and day once you try it

[frozen walrus]

You don't find yourself lacking DMG at all?

[stoic spruce]

No

[trail turret]

Do you get energy starved with it? I like the extra energy and dmg u get from the thistle tea side

[stoic spruce]

Drop SC for it

[eager yoke]

i think u drop cold blood for double van

dont see the point unless ur playing a setup comp in 3s

[rough rock]

yeah you drop CB

[lavish flint]

I see some ppl going 2 epic weapons. Is that the move for auto atk dmg or better to craft rings + amu?

[stoic spruce]

Are you running cold blood on outlaw?

[rough rock]

he wants his bte to hit for 25k instead of 23k

[stoic spruce]

Oh okay yeah

[eager yoke]

yeah big dam

[stoic spruce]

Holy shit I'm laughing lmao

[rough rock]

hes a healers nightmare

[stoic spruce]

Yeah 18 minutes into a match

[eager yoke]

try it out

[potent pivot]

you don't craft weapons. you get conquest weapons for free

[stoic spruce]

I did

It doesn't do anything for outlaw, esp with crit so nerfed in pvp

Also Zero In and all that

[rough rock]

SC trickster is fun tho i will say

[stoic spruce]

Yeah that's good stuff

Coup hits hard these days

@potent pivot don't get it nerfed

Fool

[rough rock]

yeah but coin buff too good

[eager yoke]

for shuffle and 2s cold blood probably always better unless u know you will get trained or ur playing setup comp in 3s

[trail turret]

Almost everyone is picking cb from what i see O.o what talent page are you guys using with double vanish

[stoic spruce]

Coin also goes through the foolish rets armor

[eager yoke]

sad outlaw doesnt have vanish cdr anymore with restless blades

[stoic spruce]

There's like 9 outlaws

[trail turret]

Erm excuse you theres 9

[stoic spruce]

I also don't base anything on shuffle as that's the losers mode

Oh sorry

Let me edit that

[eager yoke]

lol what mode is the winner's mode

training grounds?

[stoic spruce]

2s and 3s

The mode for men

Who lift

[trail turret]

From what ive been hearing the winners mode for outlaw is blitz lol

[stoic spruce]

High T mode

[rough rock]

boy do i have a story for you

[stoic spruce]

Yeah about that

[trail turret]

4x hook is nutty for flag cap maps apparently, i havent done any rated pvp on my rogue yet tho, still gathering conquest and havent crafted gear yet

Just going off what i've heard

[eager yoke]

i agree with 3s but not 2s unless you're qing double dps

[stoic spruce]

Idak how it is post nerf

[eager yoke]

then ur low t if ur qing healer/dps

[stoic spruce]

No, you play into deep damp

It's the outlaw way

[eager yoke]

ok ok

[stoic spruce]

@jolly sierra SEXOOOOOOOO

I can't to get off work

Wait*

Caffeine pill is kicking in

[rough rock]

Caffeine pill is low t

[stoic spruce]

I'm addicted

[rough rock]

do a line like an adult

[stoic spruce]

Dude

It's funny you say that

[rough rock]

IM JOKING

[stoic spruce]

It takes like 10 minutes for it to metabalize and I considered popping it open and snorting it

Only for like a second though

[rough rock]

I kinda relaxed on energy drinks like 2 months ago. Feels like i get sleepy with them now

[stoic spruce]

I do need to wean off caffeine

Lest I want a heart attach by 40

[jolly sierra]

SEXOOOOOOO

got 1k8, time to gtfo for some weeks lolol

i am full time farming rn

[gleaming sentinel]

Not if I lose one more placement game it’s joever

[balmy shuttle]

Just don't lose then

[stoic spruce]

It's that shrimple

[gilded gulch]

the mw i raided with reading this while downing a 12pack of redbull in a day

[stoic spruce]

Oof

I could never lol

Would never*

[potent pivot]

Did you figure things out or

[hybrid ermine]

any good niche reasons to go sin rogue for pvp?

[potent pivot]

You don’t really want to craft rings/neck regardless either @lavish flint

[potent pivot]

Not really no

[stoic spruce]

Devoker

Oh reasons

Nvm

[hybrid ermine]

Thanks, i was curious because i see it sometimes.

Well, rarely

[stoic spruce]

It's a normal CD spec with nothing special going on

[hybrid ermine]

I guess it's something people are familiar with so they go with it.

[stoic spruce]

Atp I have to agree

[potent pivot]

Some people just play whatever they enjoy

Nothing really wrong with that

Any spec in the game is viable to get whatever rewards

Especially with brackets like blitz existing

[gleaming sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[stoic spruce]

People get glad with tanks so frankly go crazy

[gilded gulch]

dont remind me people played guardian druid in 3v3

with a delirium specced frost dk

[potent pivot]

[stoic spruce]

My stomach hurts now

[stoic spruce]

Thanks a ton dude

[stoic spruce]

Based for that btw

Did anyone get the tabard yet? Wondering if I should put the effort in

[spring bough]

What did trickz do

[stoic spruce]

Graf

[spring bough]

Did bro get freaky ahhh again

[stoic spruce]

Reminded me of gdudu in 3s

[potent pivot]

[gilded gulch]

1.8 rn feels like you get some actual humans in already

unless its the ret pally who decides to die 10s into gates opening when hes on my team

[spring bough]

[spring bough]

Isn’t it awful when someone fotm and can’t even win on an S+ tier class

The goes to the forums and complains pally needs more

[gilded gulch]

idk you got a ton of defensives to cycle on ret

not sure how people manage

[gleaming sentinel]

What the fuck is that emoji LOL

[severe helm]

what rating is it at?

[potent pivot]

2300 innit?

its just elite

you can see the tabard

its on the elite conq vendor

[potent pivot]

kinda funny every low rated rogue i see seems to have gotten baited into crafting jewelry with focusing iris from somewhere

oh ofc. iceyveins.

[stoic spruce]

[severe helm]

LOOL

its always icyveins

they have so much wrong info on there idgi

[potent pivot]

It used to be halfway okay for some info when shade was doing the rogue ones

Like at least the basic gameplay stuff was correct enough to be a decent starting point for new players

[stoic spruce]

I don't even use icy veins for pve tbh

[severe helm]

you shouldnt

[stoic spruce]

I'm not sure the purpose icy veins serves is

[potent pivot]

I only use wowhead

[stoic spruce]

Yeah

[potent pivot]

$$$

They get clicks from multiple games

[severe helm]

ads

[stoic spruce]

I see

Not the ads the that one is obv but I didn't know the multiple games part

I will say icy veins is more visually appealing

[potent pivot]

Really? I’ve always felt like it was more jank

Wowheads mobile experience is a war crime tho

[stoic spruce]

Visually yeah, UX maybe not

Wowhead shouldn't be accessible on mobile tbh

It's the only website I have to use desktop mode on

[potent pivot]

Yea it’s kinda rough lol

Half the time it won’t work right or it’ll take forever to load up anything

[stoic spruce]

I swear they're mining Bitcoin from mobile users the way it heats up

[proven field]

The just doing what they did last expansion - iris isn’t terrible tbh

[rough rock]

i did it on outlaw

[potent pivot]

Ye focusing iris seems fine on outlaw

[proven field]

It feels fine on assa

Too bad chants don’t count as applied dots though

[rough rock]

blitz is cursed

either ride the placement games to win or be cursed for 5 generations

[lime oar]

skill issue

[stoic spruce]

On their part? Hard agree

[empty fable]

it doesn't help that that's what icy veins says, which I'd imagine is most people's first search result

[grave basin]

No fucking shot this is current season tabard?

Why does it look like some random amani tribe renown 16 tabard

Astral tabard atleast had a unique look

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I didn't comment because it doesn't deserve the attention

[severe helm]

LOL its so bad

warcraft logs is almost worse

[grave basin]

So in the 3 weeks of shuffle ive seen exactly zero outlaw rogues

Is it joever

[stoic spruce]

They're in blitz

[severe helm]

they arent in blitz

[grave basin]

Think ive seen 3 assas

[stoic spruce]

Welp

It's joever

[severe helm]

they arent in anything

there are 2 outlaw rogues above 1994 rating

*in shuffle

[grave basin]

Is it dazed

[severe helm]

above 1800 its 10

10 total outlaw rogues in all of NA

[grave basin]

And probably some other 10x r1

[severe helm]

in blitz there are 6 above 2200

[grave basin]

Hmmmmmmmmmm lets remove all the control from the control spec

And lets make the brawler spec squishy af

[severe helm]

and less mobile

[stoic spruce]

Sub once again stole from Outlaw

[severe helm]

and have less burst

they nerfed outlaw from every angle going into midnight

defense, burst, cc, mobility

[grave basin]

I swear gemini would be better

How is killing spree still shit after two reworks

[severe helm]

cuz they find a dev for outlaw on fiver

every patch

[grave basin]

I heard in pve they do zero boss dam too

[severe helm]

yeah theyre also pretty bad in pve rn

but all 3 rogue specs arent great atm

[grave basin]

In pve yea

[severe helm]

damage to bosses

[stoic spruce]

I know I'm chronically optimist but I genuinely believe this is a freak accident

[severe helm]

its not

to be frank

why should they care

no one plays it even when its good

so why even bother

[grave basin]

Eh they do

Bfa?

[severe helm]

I didnt play back then so idk what its actual popularity was

ive heard it was very good

but dont know statistics

[grave basin]

2x outlaw in m+

[severe helm]

yeah I know

but that doesnt mean it was popular

lol

[grave basin]

In SL outlaw was good in pvp too and was quite represented

Ladder and awc

[severe helm]

I dont remember it being popular in SL

it was strong yeah

[grave basin]

Awc literally had 2x outlaw teams

[severe helm]

again

thats not overall

I cant remember a time I looked at the ladder and saw more outlaws than any of the other two rogue specs

let alone more outlaws than other specs in general

[stoic spruce]

I remember SL had outlaws every other arena

It had 0 counters

[severe helm]

I played that season

and dont remember seeing many outlaws lol

sub has always been outlaws counter though

or MLD

[stoic spruce]

Well not this time

It was stupid

[severe helm]

p sure kubzy's team beat the double outlaw with arcane lock rdruid

just giga damping

[grave basin]

Outlaw was pretty meta in 2s/3s back in SL

[severe helm]

I remember how good it was

[grave basin]

I saw it everywhere

[severe helm]

but it was only good by good players

so it wasnt that popular

[grave basin]

I wish there was a way to look at the ladder snapshot back then

[severe helm]

in 2s outlaw was insane though in SL yeah

for like multiple seasons

just lots of consistent damage and cc

like a war on crack

[stoic spruce]

Multiple good builds

Gosh I miss it

[severe helm]

yeah it was pretty fun

I think I played bone spike in 2s

or kyrian

I sitll miss ER

[rough rock]

lets go i broke my blitz lost streak

[severe helm]

10/10 prob one of my favorite abiltiies they have ever had in the game

mechanically

[rough rock]

although i lost 200 rating in shuffle today

[stoic spruce]

MFD

[grave basin]

Unnerfed float + double vanish leggo

Im pretty sure unnerfed RB too

[stoic spruce]

You could go in unstealthed, mounted, and still win

[grave basin]

Immune to death

[stoic spruce]

That wasn't until tww s2

Well the RtB buff was merfed

Nerfed

[severe helm]

was it?

[stoic spruce]

I think so

[severe helm]

I thought it was baseline too

[stoic spruce]

Well now it is

Not back in SL

[severe helm]

yeah

the tww nerf I mean

was just baseline

[grave basin]

Not rtb, restless blades

[severe helm]

they nerfed a lot of things lol

[stoic spruce]

And still are

[severe helm]

bte crit multiplier, rb, float

rip

[stoic spruce]

And never will be unnerfed

[severe helm]

ofc not

[rough rock]

Dont worry guys with the damage buff tomorrow we will have 6 outlawsd

[severe helm]

dead spec who cares

im out of town for work til thursday night

gona miss all the outlaw fun

[stoic spruce]

I picked up arena breakout anyway

[rough rock]

gonna be zero outlaws in awc huh

[grave basin]

Mfw rogues get compensation nerfs in pve

[severe helm]

cant wait to see rmp

[stoic spruce]

Don't remind me

[rough rock]

oh wait yeah this means no more tuning for a while

[grave basin]

Why would you play outlaw when money is on the line

[rough rock]

i rememeber that one team with mw made it pretty far despite mw being the worst healer

[stoic spruce]

And no outlaw rep probably means it'll remain under their radar

[rough rock]

"BuffMW" was his name i think

[grave basin]

That was meep

And healers being """""bad""""" through raw hps or mana isnt the same as a dps having the kit of a lvl 10 adventurer spec

[severe helm]

yeah healers can usually get away with a little bit more

like kubzy almost always plays rdruid

even when its not meta

[rough rock]

I dont understand the adr nerf, I understand they want to slowly tune out burst but doing that to outlaw and not doing it to literally any other spec was like someone at blizzard with a personal issue

Felt like they had such a good grasp tuning wise and the last few weeks just forgot everything

[severe helm]

they really think outlaw is gona insta become op if they buff them

in pve theyre doing the same

they buff ST by 4%

and nerf aoe

by 4%

its weird

[rough rock]

Yeah so weird

[grave basin]

Meanwhile devourer...

[gilded gulch]

kubzy is also disgusting at rdru

tbf

[severe helm]

exactly

[gilded gulch]

though

idk if more than mehh at priest

or specifically disc

[stoic spruce]

Isn't there suppose to be another blizzcon or something soon?

[grave basin]

Yea awc soon

[stoic spruce]

No a WoW event

[potent pivot]

I feel like devourer is even worse off than outlaw. Everyone good says they fucking suuuuuck

[stoic spruce]

Blizzard rather

[grave basin]

Who cares, probably show off more housing

[stoic spruce]

I care

[gilded gulch]

didnt they mention it too

best rmp disc usually

[grave basin]

In pve theyre blasting

[gilded gulch]

heavily enables the mage and rogue to be aggro

as shit

[rough rock]

worse than outlaw is a stretch

plus with its new healing its getting

i imagine its gonne be way more tanky which it deserves

[gilded gulch]

i’ve seen more havoc in shuff

than devourer

surprised

[grave basin]

Devourer is a victim spec atm

[potent pivot]

Ye I meant in pvp

[grave basin]

In shuff

[rough rock]

every havoc ive fought (1600-1800) just blows up instantly

[gilded gulch]

so is warrior it feels

[rough rock]

even my outlaw could dom one haha

[potent pivot]

The healing it’s getting is kinda dog

[gilded gulch]

i watched this arms war

[grave basin]

Warrior is absolutely a victim class

Watch trille play against r1s

[gilded gulch]

die in first 40 secs of 3 rounds

vs mm hunter

[grave basin]

Evoker in the lobby = shit

Mage = shit

Ret/hpal = shit

[potent pivot]

Idk how Von’Queef has been playing devo

[grave basin]

Warrior cant play in more than 3/4 of the lobbies

[potent pivot]

If he ain’t even playin outlaw

[gilded gulch]

they also decided to trinket and los

[grave basin]

Blitz has to be more chill

[gilded gulch]

while their healer was sapped other sid eof tolviron

big braijs

[potent pivot]

He’s been playing shuffles too I thought

[rough rock]

BM and ret being in every game makes me want to pull my hair out. God more defensives than i do it feels like

[grave basin]

Im literally watching trilles vod from yestd where he faced whaaz dragon / ret / bicmex

[severe helm]

yeah devourer feels like it just has no kit

[stoic spruce]

He showed me

[grave basin]

How do you play against that

[severe helm]

its like a really shitty shadow priest idk

[potent pivot]

Swear I saw him post a ss of like 300+ shuffles played already a week ago

[stoic spruce]

He's doing dam

[severe helm]

it doesnt make sense to me

it needs to cast so much to do damage

[gilded gulch]

havent seen bm in shuff yet

[severe helm]

and it needs to get so close to do cc

its awkward af

it pads meters then loses

[potent pivot]

Does it?

[stoic spruce]

Maybe there's some tech that hasn't caught on yet

[gilded gulch]

also ngl playing sub getting mm on my team is like

win the round in 60s

vs melee

[grave basin]

The best spec for it rn is the one shot void scarred build i think

[severe helm]

yeah its very telegraphed in my experience

[gilded gulch]

[severe helm]

maybe cuz it doesnt move much while its doing damage

[potent pivot]

Idk. Raiku was playing devo a lot in prepatch

[severe helm]

so it cant like drift toward the enemy healer as easily

[grave basin]

You see predetors wake and pop a defensive

[rough rock]

theres an outlaw in top 10 of blitz lol

[severe helm]

blitz is mostly cheese and queueing at the right time

the mmr is pretty high so the highest rated people just have more games tbh

but notice the win loss

of the actual well known players up there

dean weedtye

60-70% winloss

[gilded gulch]

sub feels goofy rn with how easily you can just

[severe helm]

and the outlaw

[potent pivot]

Bro blitz coat tail boosts are starting to become a thing fast

[gilded gulch]

go and bonk different people

in the same dance

[severe helm]

fr fr

people will literally

queue down

in mmr

just to get games

[potent pivot]

I might have to learn blitz

[grave basin]

Dance uptime needs to go down

[severe helm]

im leveling my alt priest right now for that exact reason

dont learn blitz

its not worth it

awful bracket

[rough rock]

i like it when you dont get stuck in the cursed mmr zone

[stoic spruce]

That's what I'm saying

[grave basin]

I hate how you cant punish sub for blowing dance like a mongo

[stoic spruce]

It's dmg isn't even the problem

[potent pivot]

I mean I just wanna make more gold boosting

[rough rock]

then all the talk about it being easy gets thrown out the window

[stoic spruce]

It's the crazy uptime

[severe helm]

oh tru

[potent pivot]

With less effort too

Lmao

[severe helm]

youll need a healer prob

[gilded gulch]

guy trinketed?

guess i hit the other

[rough rock]

Yeah healers and rogue are the deciding factor 90% of time

[potent pivot]

Yea I’d prolly learn Pres/MW if I was gonna do it seriously

[severe helm]

ye pres is insane

that much mobilty on a healer

is just unreal

they nerfed a lot of mw stuff for blitz

[gilded gulch]

playing rogue in a 3 wizard lobby

[severe helm]

you cant port with flag

orb

etc

cuz it was too op

[gilded gulch]

with priest that doesnt push in

[severe helm]

but dragon gets to fly around af

[gilded gulch]

is tilt factory

[grave basin]

I can disarm first dance and trackers net 2nd and it doesnt even matter

They have another dance in 10seconds

[molten hedge]

I played some Deathstalker in 2s it felt good. Lingering is rly nice. And the step cd feels so good

[grave basin]

Fucking toxic design

[gilded gulch]

most people in shuffle dont even cc on dance

they just random cc you

for being visible

[rough rock]

wonder if thats what we'll swap too

The passives are dope

[molten hedge]

That’s the idea rn. There’s a lot of pros to it for sure

[stoic spruce]

Back when KS was 20 seconds, I'd kidney to assert dominance

[molten hedge]

We’ll see

[stoic spruce]

Remind them that their spot is in a CC

I refuse to play sub to do that again though

[rough rock]

How long did sub last in SL as meta?

[stoic spruce]

As meta or good? It was good all expac but meta I think 1 season

S1

Rogue in general was extremely cracked in SL

[gilded gulch]

you were a mage stunbot in s1

outside of ma venthyr cheese

[stoic spruce]

You were

I wasn't

[gilded gulch]

or you were kalvish and played one dance

[stoic spruce]

Po "walk em down" po

[grave basin]

Or palumor

Hi pals

[gilded gulch]

the eu sub ww team

[grave basin]

You mean po "divine tolled" po

Or po "convoked" po

[gilded gulch]

they would get your trinket then duel with venthyr ma

and also have a ww dump his keefers sck procs on you through duel

keefers in general in sl

especially in 2s since most people would overcommit a keefers go

which was only 1min cds

[stoic spruce]

Oof

Yeah

[grave basin]

Ww having nuclear burst is just chefs kiss

[gilded gulch]

i had a warrior rsham team trinket link my opener

[grave basin]

No bias there

[stoic spruce]

The charge on venth warr execute

[gilded gulch]

so i just tabbed to his warrior and did a keefer go on him

in the same dr

they both died to slt split

[grave basin]

Ive decided to relegate my uh dk to a 1800 and done alt

Cba with how it plays

[gilded gulch]

i had so many rogue mage teams that would sap my healer then i rop myself

and the rogue tries to open me and looks stupid

[stoic spruce]

Wdym you don't like being the only 1.5 min spec in the game?

[gilded gulch]

thank god none of them were smart enough to pre cc monk

before sapping healer

[stoic spruce]

Anytime someone here asks how to beat unholy we should throw tomatoes

Maybe not but the idea of losing to one is foreign to me atm

[gilded gulch]

also that season special mention

to farming every priest healer team as rsham assa

with 7s kidney and dwayne

[grave basin]

I wanted to type outlook while working and i accidentally typed outlaw

Damn it

[dark moon]

Why the need for typing Outlook in the first place?

[grave basin]

Troubleshooting a user's laptop

[potent pivot]

Outlaw will shoot them, no trouble

[potent pivot]

It was op for a week or two at the start of s1

That was… quite the filtered message @dark moon

[dark moon]

Hahah ye, but i gave up retyping it

Had a few close calls when signing emails back then, but thankfully you can save a signature nowadays

But the classics still exists - starting an email with Hell, instead of Hello is one

[potent pivot]

looks like the AegTracker omnibar addon is already gone off curseforge

maybe the creator took it down to fix it

[balmy shuttle]

You should. It is fun, especially as rogue.

[potent pivot]

i see stuff like this and idk if it makes me want to try it more or not

hear a lot of shit about placements being kinda gamba etc

[jaunty terrace]

do you think I should play 4p with 1 PvE part or just 2P with conquest / honor stuff?

[potent pivot]

whats the ilvl of the pve item

[jaunty terrace]

it will be 258 in arena, it's a chest

[potent pivot]

chest is already kinda meh

[jaunty terrace]

crit mastery yeah

[potent pivot]

if you have 4set though you should start proc'ing catalyst charges

to catalyst a good 4th piece

it won't make much difference either way but i'd prolly just stick to pvp gear until you get the last piece

[stoic spruce]

Ahem

[potent pivot]

wat poop

[balmy shuttle]

Well, you might need a decent amount of games for your first 2.400. But the season after that you will need only half the amount. And after THAT you will need maybe 40-50 matches played for 2.400. It's all part of the journey.

[jaunty terrace]

and is it link to the account or the char?

[dark kernel]

It was fun while it lasted guys

We'll see how all the specializations align after today's nerfs and buffs

[stoic spruce]

Oh nuthin

[potent pivot]

char

ppl have speculated that there's also some form of "account wide mmr" in the background in the past, but afaik there's never been anything conclusive found out about it

[dark moon]

did i miss out on the fun part

[balmy shuttle]

There might be a misconception. I meant that you will need less matches to reach the same rating, because you learned your role, what to do in each map etc. xD

[potent pivot]

well the mmr system has also been working that way for a while now

like mmr hard resets between expansions but only 'soft resets' between seasons

[balmy shuttle]

people really should care less about the details of the MMR system and just play & improve.

[jaunty terrace]

do you think it's the same in solo shuffle?

[balmy shuttle]

this can be applied to most things in WoW. eventually you will accumulate enough game knowledge that you can reach your peak rating faster & easier

[jaunty terrace]

I know about the knowledge it's obvious

but for the MMR

[balmy shuttle]

it's true that the way Blizzard handles MMR in shuffle at the start of the season makes it undesirable to push rating early. MMR gain will even out over the course of the season

[dark kernel]

If you haven't played any games on your sub Rogue yet then yes

Both nerfs combined probably a 20% damage nerve

Will be fine if we play with mage probably but it's going to be one of those seasons where you get pigeon holed. No idea about shuffle. Stunbot Outlaw felt awful

[molten hedge]

Today’s the day I only die in 1 second of a leg sweep instead of 0.5 seconds

Huge

[dark kernel]

I'm not going to Doom but Whaazz said yesterday that none of the AWC teams are prepping rogue

[molten hedge]

Dude he’s full of shit

[dark kernel]

If you can mathematically ascertain that wind walker is number one, feral is number two. Warrior might even catch up now for melee classes it's not that unworldly

He plays what is best.

Pretty indiscriminately

[dark moon]

havent, been raiding

will try assa shuffle soon

[dark moon]

even with outlaw buffs? weirdge

[molten hedge]

Feral isn’t #2 melee. And ww is getting a pretty sizeable nerf today. We will see. I don’t believe Whaazz for a second. And Kalvish is definitely practicing sub ww and rmp every day for weeks

And sub enhance

And dazed switched from outlaw to sub so they have 2 subs now

[dark kernel]

That's because Outlaw is completely unplayable

[severe helm]

Oh did they buff their cc, burst, defensives, and mobility?

[dark moon]

no kekw, just raw dmg

[severe helm]

Oooooh interesting

So they do nothing still

[dark kernel]

Sub is literally the only spec even competitively viable

[dark moon]

outluls will be FIHRING THEIR LAHZORZ

[severe helm]

Assa isn't awful

[dark kernel]

But that's not saying it will be good after today

[severe helm]

It has burst potential

[dark kernel]

You're correct, but pros seem to stay away from Assa in AWC because of the hard counters

I think it's foolish, but that seems to be the trend

[dark moon]

awc is whole different game

[dark kernel]

I think there was one single best of series where the Rogue switched to Assa in tww and it didn't go well

[dark kernel]

Well that is what we were speaking about

[dark moon]

sorry then

but assa was played in the past, not recently tho

[dark kernel]

Pretty sure it was DF cup 1. There was one cup after where it got played in a single elimination match I just can't remember who it was

Either way.

[severe helm]

Assa has been played a decent amount by pika

In rps

[molten hedge]

Jung played smokebomb last ssn iirc

[severe helm]

But yeah it's usually sub and outlaw occasionally

[molten hedge]

Assa uhdk. It worked well until Kalvish and them beat them iirc

[gilded gulch]

is smokebomb still a run at healers comp

[low fulcrum]

could someone please help me? i feel like im struggling in pvp with my damage output

[gilded gulch]

read a pve guide and toss in cheapshot where applicable

[low fulcrum]

that was my basis but im still significantly lower in solo shuffle

my bg damage is ok

[gilded gulch]

lower in what

[low fulcrum]

damage

[gilded gulch]

you should never do more scoreboard damage in shuffle

if you're landing kills thats all that matters

[low fulcrum]

ok thats somewhat reassuring

im completely new to sub rogue so my knowledge is limited

[gilded gulch]

well you dont do damage outside dances

[wanton breach]

absolutel zero

[gusty hedge]

kidney healer cheap kill target

[dark kernel]

I found a floppy disc older than every rogue in AWC

[graceful plume]

How long does it take to get rating in bgb? I'm at a 10 win streak 0 losses this season and still only at 1600

[grave basin]

wheres the mouse with the ball

[dark kernel]

Threw a few out

Too bad no IBM mechanical keyboard

[grave basin]

tfw 34 this year and already being called an unc

there are people literally born with year starting with 2

weirdge

[molten hedge]

It can be. Being able to grip bomb someone in a bad spot is super good

[quick temple]

wow outlaw dam unhealable now

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-absurdnoise-gif-18475678

[crude mason]

Are warriors doing so bad, that you barely see them in rated bg and shuffle?

[quick temple]

arms is huge rn

[molten hedge]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[little leaf]

is outlaw considered a brawler in pvp and arena settings? Is it comparable to any other melee?

[molten hedge]

People have said it’s like a worse fury warrior

I’m not sure tho I don’t play it

[grave basin]

u w0t

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-catstare-cat-stare-sus-catglare-cat-glare-gif-14942558849944709546

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/aniyabea-yt-man-stare-ab-yt-man-stare-aniyab-gif-10494397403125281154

[jolly sierra]

ask mud

[lime oar]

@cobalt pewter

[cobalt pewter]

I think arms is #3 best melee rn could be overshooting it but idk

hard countered by sub rogue which is the entire game but

[ionic crown]

@cobalt pewter arms still good?

[cobalt pewter]

yeah we got buffed today

I have pushed for sub nerfs to devs though

if sub gets tuned back in line warrior might be competitive

[ionic crown]

do u wanna sub nerf like tww?

seems so

[dark kernel]

I think you'll be quite alright with a 10% global damage nerf on sub

Arms already has low keyed trucked

And turbo and thunder are bullshit right now

[severe helm]

Good man

[cobalt pewter]

I dont want sub's damage nerfed at all

it should do high burst damage

but 20s cd x2 dance is a huge problem

[severe helm]

Idc really it has to be one

I'd prefer it to not have this much cc

Its kinda disgusting how much more cc it has than the rest of the specs in the game atm

If they're gonna keep it though they have to nerf the dam

And I think blizz isn't going to make a cc change mid season

So they have to nerf the burst in the mean time

[gleaming pawn]

That’s Rogue’s entire pvp identity since day 1 of this game. Just remove the class at that point

[severe helm]

At no point was rogues identity a 20s CD dance

Thats slippery slope logic

We're not saying it needs to have no cc but the current amount is not okay

[gleaming pawn]

Rogue is the CC class. Take that away and it might as well not exist

[severe helm]

No one is saying to take away all it's cc

20s CD dance is too broken

It needs fixing

Tbh just remove the talent to double cheap shot

[gleaming pawn]

You make their CC in-line with the other classes, then again what’s the point of Rogue. It’s squishy and doesn’t do as much damage as other classes (historically) because of its CC capabilities

[severe helm]

Sub isn't squishy and does more burst than most classes

[gleaming pawn]

Look at Sin and Outlaw with trash tier CC and you want Sub to also be that useless? Again there’s no point to play a Rogue if it has the same level of CC as the rest of the classes

[severe helm]

A 4 second stun every 20s is already more cc than almost every class

Outlaw and assa have a 4 second stun every 2 minutes

Sub has 12 times as many cheap shots as outlaw or assa

I'm saying to reduce it to only 6 times as many

Does that not make fucking sense

[gleaming pawn]

Assa and Outlaw should not have had their CC gutted as they did. Because again why play either spec when you can and will do better playing any other class. Assa and Outlaw don’t have the damage or survivability to compensate for CC being removed

[severe helm]

Assa still has a silence so it's not as bad off as outlaw

Sub needs adjusting it's just the reality of it

They prob won't touch cc this patch

So it's gonna get it's damage nerfed a lot

[jaunty osprey]

free gold

[jolly sierra]

wtf is what

[cobalt pewter]

Needs to be downtime between cc and goes rn sub is a perma go

[gleaming pawn]

BiS pve trinket for most classes

[jolly sierra]

ahhh a world drop

[junior dock]

Can anybody tell me why the ivy veins build changed so drastically overnight?

It basically changed my rings from Versatility/Mastery crafted to haste/versatility. It also added a bunch of crafted PvP gear in place of the conquest gear, and changed my embelishment from the iris ring embelishment to arcanoweave lining embelishment. It then changed my weapons from dagger/dagger to dagger/sword. The gloves were grim jest gloves, and now theyre galactic gloves too. Only even shows 3 pieces of grimjest now which makes no sense to me.

[gilded gulch]

I've only seen 2 classes use it, rogue and dk.

[dark kernel]

Because I see veins is hot garbage now

[junior dock]

oh ffs

[gilded gulch]

wait people crafted rings

[junior dock]

so what should a guy follow for gearing?

[gilded gulch]

lmao

[dark kernel]

Just go look at armory and sort by top rated solo shuffle rogues and look at what they play

It's always going to be like nahj at the top

[gilded gulch]

you get 700 haste then just go for agi pieces

[dark kernel]

You get four pieces of tear, you don't get chest. Then you make sure with all your secondary stats your haste is about 700 in pvp instances. After that you just want versatility and mastery

[gilded gulch]

honestly an easy way to think about it

if chest legs or helm dont have vers

its likely your offpiece

[abstract stratus]

ngl the mutilate buff feels pretty nice on the dummy gotta get in a shuffle later to test

[dark kernel]

When I get free conquest it's time to test some outlaw

[gilded gulch]

ig if you really want to sweat some pve too you can get gilded to grab 285 crafted items

in slots you dont have conq for

[junior dock]

so im looking at top solo shuffle like ou said, none of them seem to have 700 haste. so should i be looking for that?

[dark kernel]

Remember that I said it has to be $700 when in a PVp instance

Your gear stats inflate when you join a battleground in arena, or you hit the PVP dummy

[gilded gulch]

i mean some of the r1s believe in a full mastery build

[junior dock]

so far it looks like the build i was following before mirrors the solo shuffle guys for the most part

[gilded gulch]

which gives you like 2 less gcds in dance

but bigger bonks

[junior dock]

It looks like theyre all in blues too, is there any reason for this?

[gilded gulch]

its honor gear

you cant have full conq this early

[junior dock]

like all of these guys are full of blue pieces instead of purples

[gilded gulch]

i think you can get relatively close if craft 285 pve gear

[junior dock]

ok so overall it looks like im on the right track still

now my biggest question is embelishment, i cant see theirs it seems

[gilded gulch]

embellishments are honestly so minor

arcanoweave generally if no crafted wep

[junior dock]

so i ended up with 2 focusing iris sine thats what my guide had said. arcanoweave seems like it would be better, is there a way for me to l;ike overwrite the embelishment on my rings if i craft gear with arcano weave? its only 2 embelishments at a rime right?

[gilded gulch]

i dont think you can put arcanoweave on rings

[junior dock]

i know, i made my rings yesterday with focusing iris on them

but now today im seeing arcano weave everywhere

so if i make some armor to follow Nahjs gear, and put arcano weave on them, how does that work?

[gilded gulch]

so you'd need to recraft them with no embellish

and craft other gear with arcanoweave

[junior dock]

i wont be able to equip the gear with arcanoweave on it if i make it?

[gilded gulch]

its not a huge deal regardless the damage difference is kind of minor

can only wear 2 embellished pieces at a time

[jaunty osprey]

it hits for 2k noncrit..

lol

[gilded gulch]

you can recraft gear to remove an embellish

[gilded gulch]

Idk people need to stop overthinking gearing its not end of the world if you dont have the exact items r1s have

[jaunty osprey]

shit hardly hits more than autos

[abstract stratus]

i saw larger numbers lemme reopen

[gilded gulch]

pretty sure the sweat thing to do rn is do keys that drop gilded crests and craft 285 gear in slots you dont have conq in

[junior dock]

ok thank you

[junior dock]

I'm a ways off of that still, havent touched a dungeon past heroic yet. just started a week ago or so

[gilded gulch]

yeah i mean its not mandatory to follow ladder gearing

[ionic crown]

it seems still trash dmg

[gilded gulch]

multiple ways you can do it

[jaunty osprey]

yeah, it's trash

[graceful ravine]

do we get 4 pc this week or is it next

[ionic crown]

next

[abstract stratus]

something fucky is going on because the tooltip is showing the buff but its not showing in log or on dummy

guess i was over zelous with my statement and 5 minutes of dummy time lol

[lavish flint]

Some ppl going more mastery instead of haste, what do u guys think?

[lavish flint]

correct me if im wrong but pikaboo is going full mastery

[gilded gulch]

ok i wouldnt gauge what is good to gear

by how pika plays

that mf just vibe gears

pika succeeds just by being good at the game

alot of his gearing choices are questionable at best

[abstract stratus]

@jaunty osprey so did they just not implement the buff to anything other than the tooltip? lmao

[rough rock]

Yeah I figured that buff was gonna be like how they are treating arcane missiles where people see a % and think it’s gonna be crazy

[proven field]

They should have made the buff affect Ambush too... then you all become Blindside enjoyers

I dunno, seems stronger to me, maybe you guys just aren't assassinating enough

finished at 5% contribution, usually sits around 2-3%, so seems buffed.. just not... going to suddenly make you better

[abstract stratus]

ok so buffed in arena but not on pvp dummy? strange interaction

[scarlet nest]

outlaw damage buffs good now?

[spring bough]

https://x.com/bicmex/status/2041242448551108901?s=46&t=YKaisWqFkCTf8y-DfuEaHw

Bicmex (@bicmex)

AWC PREDICTION TIERLIST (THIS IS ONLY FOR COMPETITIVE PLAY)

X · Apr 6, 2026, 7:51 PM

He put ret on B tier 😭

[jaunty osprey]

maybe the pvp modifier is only in instances

wouldnt be surprised

[abstract stratus]

yea i wouldnt either

[proven field]

there was an update like an hour ago

maybe reboot bnet

[gilded gulch]

is this implying rogue mage with a mw

or ww mage mw

xd

[spring bough]

The new new RMP

[gilded gulch]

Historically its rmp

or rmd

or mage lock with mw

[proven field]

6% dmg that time... it's definitely doing more, because it's out-pacing my blindside now

[last jasper]

udk is f and fdk is higher 👀

[outer sky]

This guy thinks Outlaw is 2 tiers above UDK???

[spring bough]

For AWC competition

[severe helm]

Pvp dummy is almost always broken

[fathom crag]

unholy dk is unplayable vs mw

[proven kayak]

guys cani have two same embelsiuhment ? i see a lot of top pvpers use the same

do they stuck ? or they have a weak one and a normal one