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stoic spruce
vocal surge
Warlock tried to throw in my time with him
Brought it back with a 5-1
Just to spite the lock
outer sky
Brought it back with a 5-1
You're gunna be cookin' 🍳 🔥 hot come Tuesday with that 12% buff
vocal surge
Yeeee
vocal surge
You're gunna be cookin' 🍳 🔥 hot come Tuesday with that 12% buff
Red Sun be kicking in hardcore
outer sky
Red Sun be kicking in hardcore
Im curious to see how much these buffs will matter. Outlaw will have been buffed like 30% at that point lmao
Imagine if its still bad
stoic spruce
I'm expecting alright
vocal surge
Im curious to see how much these buffs will matter. Outlaw will have been buffed...
Essentially with these buffs
our damage in AR is barely increased
outer sky
it took 48% in raw aura buffs to make assa relecant in SL s1
Yeah and it had more CC back then too
vocal surge
but our out of AR DPS is massively increased
outer sky
our damage in AR is barely increased
Right cuz of the menacing rush nerf
vocal surge
100 --> 112
100 --> 120 vs 123.4% (New)
I'd argue Outlaw's in a weird position
There's no solid build we go
Trickster shreds clothies but tanks in the face of plate
Fatebound pens plate but sucks at Cloth
outer sky
Id probably just go fatebound if for no other reason than that it means I never have to press KS in its current scuffed configuration
stoic spruce
Real
vocal surge
Killing Spree pumps thou
outer sky
Killing Spree pumps thou
If it hits what you want it to hit
Id rather just not deal with that
stoic spruce
If it doesn't hit what you want, then it's meaningless pad that fluffs up the scoreboard dmg to make us look better than we are
outer sky
Yeah again
Id just rather not deal with it
Having to rely on that kind of positioning is just not consistent enough imo
outer sky
I miss Sting Like A Bee
Thats too strong for outlaw to have but a healer can make the target take 15% increased damage and also do 3% less damage themselves and its fine
outer sky
Ret Pal and x2 Hpals
I /afk those
Out of protest
If there's ever 2 rets or 3 pallys of any kind I just leave
Not entertaining that bs
proven field
outer sky
I mean its like every season. Same pink class. I never have to worry about seeing 3 evokers or 3 shamans but there's always a good chance of 3 pallys. Sometimes 4!
This was from last season
potent pivot
Thats too strong for outlaw to have but a healer can make the target take 15% in...
?
vocal surge
Pain
3-3
All the pally tools we had to go through
as SurvLaw
Bop Bop LOH LOH Sac Sac Sac Sac
then the warrior has Retail x2 from how long he's survived
outer sky
Bop Bop LOH LOH Sac Sac Sac Sac
Yeah this is just dumb
outer sky
And they also have personal walls they can press while stunned
That also proc an absorb shield
Oh and if they get below 35% hp they take 10% reduced damage
Just because
vocal surge
Blade Flurry's kinda bad now compared to TWW's version
Even if given the opportunity to cleave
the 36% AOE damage spread is hardly worth pressing
Because it drops off so often that refreshing it eats up CDR
outer sky
the 36% AOE damage spread is hardly worth pressing
This is just a tuning issue. The more damage you do the more worth flurry is.
vocal surge
Dont forget they're reducing Blade Flurry damage in the next patch
outer sky
Yeah I mean why not
Current outlaw is so neutered lmao
If it was just bad damage thatd be one thing
But
No more cdr in vanish, evasion, feint
Nerfed cdr on everything else
No more sting
Nerfed hook speed
Scuffed KS redesign
Can't multi stun anymore
Getting flurry nerfed
Then theres whatever the fuck is going on with Audacity/HO
Oh and the feint pvp talent is still giga nerfed for outlaw despite the feint cdr being gone which was the whole rationale for the nerf to begin with
vocal surge
How Blade Flurry's damage is looking on Tuesday
1 2 3 on top = target count (players only)
It's a small upgrade for non-AR windows
but slight downgrade in AR
outer sky
I played outlaw last in DF S3
stoic spruce
Your damage came from good rng anyways
outer sky
And I remember flurry pumping
vocal surge
Yee
DF / TWW Blade Flurry
if both targets are near each other
and you cleave
YOU HURT
stoic spruce
Comes from good rng* rather
vocal surge
Midnight Blade Flurry?
vocal surge
atleast it can break people out of their CC's (Traps, etc) in .1s
after they get CC'd
potent pivot
just boycot playing outlaw until they actually do stuff
stoic spruce
Never
outer sky
atleast it can break people out of their CC's (Traps, etc) in .1s
I used to have a weakaura that would tell me if an enemy player was in breakable CC within my blade flurry range so id know not to flurry. And it would flash at me aggressively if I had flurry up so id know to /cancel aura it
vocal surge
Imma have to do the math for Trickster side
outer sky
just boycot playing outlaw until they actually do stuff
Even if every outlaw player boycotted the spec would it even matter? They have like single digit representation lol
vocal surge
but I doubt Trickster's fairing any better
stoic spruce
then nothin will change
It'll change
stoic spruce
He's right there
potent pivot
L0l
outer sky
It'll change
I order for them to fix it they'd have to roll back a good bit of their CC and utility nerfs. The problem is, they pruned a bunch of CC and utility but didnt account for how much those are weighted for each class/spec's relative power. They pruned CC from rogues and pretended that was the same as pruning CC from spriests. It isn't. Rogue power was way more heavily tied to CC than spriest power was. So a superficially equal nerf was in practice a disproportionate Rogue nerf.
potent pivot
Even if every outlaw player boycotted the spec would it even matter? They have l...
exactly so it should actually be pheasible for us to rally those few men and tell them to not play it
if they see zero of them for a while, maybe they will realize something is grotesquely wrong.
outer sky
if they see zero of them for a while, maybe they will realize something is grote...
Im down to try anything
stoic spruce
They don't have to give CC back, they can give different tools
outer sky
They don't have to give CC back, they can give different tools
Like what
stoic spruce
spellwarding but for evasion
outer sky
spellwarding but for evasion
You mean cloak?
stoic spruce
You give someone evasion while you also get evasion
No
Cloak too ig
I'm just saying
It doesn't have to be CC
stoic spruce
fix the pvp mod on RB
That's my main complaint if the spec thh
potent pivot
ummmmmmmm
outer sky
fix the pvp mod on RB
Or just put vanish back on cdr and revert the cheap shot change. Thats the simplest and easiest solution to all of this
potent pivot
fixed the game yw
outer sky
20sec kidney for assa/law
20s kidney to assa/outlaw AND shot in the Dark goes on the class tree AND it procs off of gaining any kind of stealth including a re
stoic spruce
I'd like them to go back and revisit pvp talents and make outlaws more team oriented again
outer sky
I'd like them to go back and revisit pvp talents and make outlaws more team orie...
Rogue pvp talents in general are kinda ass
Warriors have so many good ones
Ret doesnt have many good ones but the good ones it does have are REALLY good
I couldn't believe warrior pvp talents
Theres like 6 that are super good
outer sky
And some are clearly better than others but they dont have bad ones
vocal surge
Either we should have the x1.25 damage amp
to make up for that 20% CDR loss
or give us the 20% CDR
and leave as is
stoic spruce
I'd rather the 20% so the spec can play as intended
stoic spruce
Any time you play a spec in pve and it plays differently in pvp, that's a failed design imo
Or tuning rather
Sometimes design
vocal surge
Yeee
outer sky
If it stays at 0.8s it should affect more shit
stoic spruce
They need to redo pvp mods game wide tbh. Some specs are playing the most atrocious builds because they were strong a year ago and still nerfed.
outer sky
They need to redo pvp mods game wide tbh. Some specs are playing the most atroci...
You'll be dealing with that menacing rush nerf for years
stoic spruce
Absolutely
vocal surge
That map needs to be axed
stoic spruce
You'll be dealing with that menacing rush nerf for years
Fdk has had a pvp mod on breath since Legion
vocal surge
Breath of SIndragosa?
stoic spruce
Yeah
vocal surge
stoic spruce
Computer, fact check this please
vocal surge
It might've been frostwyrms fury
Its also at 1
I wonder if the reason for us having 0.8 PvP mod on Restless Blade
stoic spruce
Holy moly they reverted a negative pvp mod on DK
vocal surge
is so we're syncing up with everyone else's CDs
despite us playing Outlaw to desync from everyone
and create kill windows
stoic spruce
Nah
That doesn't make sense
I do think they'll kill RB in the future
Possibly near future
vocal surge
What makes you say that/
vocal surge
That wouldn't make sense for Outlaw thou
Outlaw has had a very long history with CDR
dating all the way back to Wrath or Cata
stoic spruce
I imagine we'll have charges of Adr and stuff to make up for it
outer sky
Outlaw has had a very long history with CDR
How long did outlaw not have a CD on cheap shot?
stoic spruce
Vanish you mean?
vocal surge
How long did outlaw not have a CD on cheap shot?
Since Vanilla
stoic spruce
Yeah, we didn't have CDR on vanish until Legion
vocal surge
The main CD for Cheap Shot thou
was tied to Vanish
or whenever we got stealth
and Vanilla Cheap Shot was 4s
stoic spruce
Yeah the CD hurts more than vanish cdr imo
vocal surge
but rn with how the meta is
stoic spruce
12 seconds for such a short stun
vocal surge
Restless Blades back in Cata btw
did 2s of CDR per combo point spent
but our combo point gen and energy eco was different
from how it is now
since Combo Points capped at 5
and Sinister Strike had a chance to give the combo point
rather than strike twice
stoic spruce
I don't miss cata combat
Or prewod combat in general
Or WoD combat
Legion did irreparable dmg to combat optics
stoic spruce
Yeah someone asked me what I'd change about outlaw if I were a dev and I'd said I'd remove fth
I think it ran it's course
stoic spruce
The way it works, you don't have the room to add anything that grants full CP
vocal surge
Technically there's 2 issues
Stratagems
And FTH
Stratagems on paper sound good
Except...
stoic spruce
Yeah I don't like that either
vocal surge
You get people complaining energy is an issue
stoic spruce
I've been 6cp cooker since tww dropped
vocal surge
When the energy is fine when you dont have that 7th combo point
stoic spruce
I'm surprised it made it to Midnight tbh
stoic spruce
Right
vocal surge
But filling up finishers so fast just makes tuning them weaker
stoic spruce
Yeah it kinda holds the spec back design wise in some ways
vocal surge
There's also the matter of the fact that Outlaws tuned around Crit damage
And pvp crit mod is a thing
Its understandable why the crit mods there
outer sky
I miss the old school outlaw buffs
vocal surge
But combine that with the nerfed Evasive Maneuver, Restless Blades, and crit mod
And Outlaw is fighting at 1/2 strength
stoic spruce
I really hope Legion Classic is a thing because I'm absolutely jumping ship
vocal surge
Im jumping ship for Classic+
stoic spruce
If they fix CPs then I prolly will
potent pivot
Its understandable why the crit mods there
its so boring
stoic spruce
What'll probably happen like every other time, blizz will add something cool to outlaw and I'll just play that on top of Classic+
potent pivot
now everyone just runs literal 0 crit in pvp unless it heavily interacts with their spec which is like.... 2 specs in the game or some shit........
outer sky
Yeah the crit nerf in pvp is really stale gameplay wise
I get that it makes things easier to tune
Because you dont have to account for a random rng doubling of intended damage
But idk if the alternative is much better
vocal surge
Technically there is a way for Outlaw to 1 shot
But that requires the rot meta
And us to be Dark Iron Dwarf
Because Dark Iron Dwarf primary stat scaling on their racial is filthy
outer sky
Bro just play ret and all it requires is logging in
vocal surge
Ret's so stale
The class plays itself
Might as well program a bot at that point to play Ret than to play Ret myself
stoic spruce
Leveling in Legion remix made me not a fan of FtH
outer sky
Might as well program a bot at that point to play Ret than to play Ret myself
Think most of them are bots
stoic spruce
Idk I can't explain it. I just found it more enjoyable when I have 5cp and no fth
Old roll the bones
Good times tbh
vocal surge
Old roll the bones
Tbh, either version of combat works for me
Id prefer SoD Rogue over Retail Rogue thou
outer sky
RtB with no CD as a combo point spender was peak RtB
vocal surge
There's so much nuances with SoD Rogue that's fun
stoic spruce
Yeah I liked spender RtB a lot
vocal surge
Outside of Mutilate Envenom build
stoic spruce
Back then, it made sense your builders did more damage
Because RtB was a spender and didn't do dmg when pressed
outer sky
Yep
vocal surge
How does Legion RTB work?
stoic spruce
Now it's just kind of it's thing it inherited
stoic spruce
How does Legion RTB work?
Random number of buffs whose duration scaled the more CP spent
vocal surge
So Slice and Dice esque?
stoic spruce
Yeah
vocal surge
Dang
outer sky
So Slice and Dice esque?
Slice and Dice used to be on a choice node with RtB
stoic spruce
Yep
vocal surge
Thats so wack
stoic spruce
Yeah now it is but back then it was kinda close tbh
One tier snd was picked over RtB
Antorus I think
vocal surge
I imagine Outlaw felt smooth ey?
stoic spruce
Yeah it was pretty fun
potent pivot
i never played when rtb was a spender but its always sounded so awkward to me
might just be because i've only ever played with it as a CD but idk
stoic spruce
It's one of those things where you just had to be there
potent pivot
having to repeatedly cast a non-damaging finisher to fish sounds really weird
outer sky
The buffs from RtB were pure RNG. You couldn't really pad the odds. Loaded Dice existed but was on a choice node with Alacrity so nobody took it. You had a 79% chance of rolling 1 buff, 20% chance to roll 2, and 1% chance to roll 5. It wasnt possible to have 3 or 4 buffs
stoic spruce
Your builders did more damage than spenders and you sent bte on CD
RtB was a lot like S2 tww
In rerolls
It was actually more than bfa
Bfa had a trait where if you rolled a 1 buff, you were granted haste
vocal surge
The buffs from RtB were pure RNG. You couldn't really pad the odds. Loaded Dice ...
I thought it was a 6d6 die system?
Instead of the later 5d6
outer sky
Instead of the later 5d6
Huh?
stoic spruce
Doesn't that imply we rolled 6 buffs?
outer sky
5 dice, 6 rolls
There were 6 possible buffs but you couldn't get all 6
stoic spruce
Yeah
outer sky
Best was a 5 buff
outer sky
It was 1/2/5
vocal surge
Yeee, it was 6 dice
vocal surge
August 5, 2016 screenshot
stoic spruce
We still have 6 dice
vocal surge
WoWHead Comment
vocal surge
Patch 7.0 was Legion
outer sky
It mustve went to 1/2/5 in bfa
potent pivot
it was 1/2/5 in SL
outer sky
I didnt play rogue before legion and I didnt play outlaw until bfa
stoic spruce
I think it did because it's starting to sound familiar
outer sky
It was 1/2/5 in bfa too
stoic spruce
You know a spell has aura when people are debating it 10 years later
outer sky
They fucked with it a lot
I cant stand this current version of RtB
Feel like its just been gettinh worse
stoic spruce
I think it's fine but very boring
outer sky
Its SO boring
stoic spruce
It doesnt have any edge
outer sky
What i actually liked about RtB as a spender was like, idk if yall play Blackjack, but theres certain "rules" for when to hit, stand, split, etc. But the good players break those rules all the time because they know how and when to break them. Old school RtB was like that
stoic spruce
Had nuance yeah
outer sky
"I know im supposed to reroll but im not going to" and if you're right you'd do more damage than the guy going by the book
Or rerolling when you maybe shouldn't
And it paying off
outer sky
They've got no idea lmao
stoic spruce
They also don't know it was fuckin peak
outer sky
And weve been on the decline ever since
stoic spruce
We really have
vocal surge
There was the S2 TWW set
stoic spruce
And not in a doomer way
vocal surge
that gave us all the RTB buffs constantly
stoic spruce
We lost so much cool shit since legion
outer sky
We lost so much cool shit since legion
Remember when outlaw didnt have Kidney and BtE stunned?
stoic spruce
Crackshot helped with that as well
vocal surge
Also remember when I called it with Preemptive Maneuver back it was first introduced?
stoic spruce
Remember when outlaw didnt have Kidney and BtE stunned?
Yeah it was great
stoic spruce
I made someone die to fall damage because they were slow falling off a cliff and I shot them with a bte
stoic spruce
No
outer sky
Yeah it was great
I found it annoying in bfa because I was doing keys and outlaw was brought for utility back then and one thing you'd have to do is solo lock down a mob so id have to hold off my my rotation to save BtE for when a cast was going to go off if I didnt have gouge, blind, or vanish
vocal surge
Dang
outer sky
And then there was the classic BtE in the sanguine
Just thing guys
One day we'll be in this discord
Just as disgruntled
Saying
"Remember when sub had to spend combo points to farm dance CDR?"
vocal surge
Lol
outer sky
By then sub will probably just have shadow dance converted to one of those personal buffs that last an hour you apply in the starting gate
And have a pvp talent that lets it ignore stun DRs
stoic spruce
We're devolving but skipping all the good stuff
Back to mop but didn't get BFA or Legion
No lube or anything
outer sky
I feel like they fucked a lot of shit up in legion
vocal surge
Technically WoD
stoic spruce
I feel like they fucked a lot of shit up in legion
Like the introduction to pvp mods?
vocal surge
Since WoD was them setting up all the specs to how they were in Legion
stoic spruce
Sounds familiar
outer sky
Like the introduction to pvp mods?
Even some design shit
stoic spruce
You know what I liked the most about Legion? Every spec felt like a fleshed out sub-spec of their class
outer sky
Legion is when Combat became Outlaw. And its also when they reworked sub rogue to be what it is today
vocal surge
I thought Unholy had major dubs
In Legion
With its always available army of the dead
outer sky
I thought Unholy had major dubs
The mythic+ meta for a season in Legion was 1 Blood DK and 4 Affliction Warlocks :/
vocal surge
Rip
stoic spruce
That's awesome
vocal surge
What season was that?
outer sky
What season was that?
Either 6 or 7
stoic spruce
...
vocal surge
Ah
vocal surge
Nah
stoic spruce
These short seasons I feel created the cosmetic farming that this game caters too now. There's so many filler mogs, mounts, etc that have drastically declined in quality since they sped up release cadence.
vocal surge
Imo, the fact we have 3d model capabilities but the devs still deciding to spray pain the body texture instead hurts
stoic spruce
Yeah that's annoying
outer sky
Feel like season length is more of a pain point for PvP players since the brackets have passive inflation and every reward is locked behind numerical rating. That means all things being equal rewards are easier to get in longer seasons than shorter seasons because theres more time for inflation to increase.
Kind of incentivizes not playing
vocal surge
Yeee
stoic spruce
How do easier rewards incentivize not playing?
There's been a pretty good handful of seasons where that's not the case
Especially in this day and age when no one cares about prestige of something
outer sky
How do easier rewards incentivize not playing?
Because they get easier the longer you wait. So just dont play for a really long time and then you'll get rewards way more easily than if you'd been playing before
vocal surge
How do easier rewards incentivize not playing?
End of the season has the fattest inflation
outer sky
Just running out the clock until shits as easy as it can be
stoic spruce
Well pvps been more dead for the most part since the shorter seasons so idk
outer sky
Well pvps been more dead for the most part since the shorter seasons so idk
I think theres a lot more to that than season length
stoic spruce
Like the ongoing repocalypse
potent pivot
many people have tried telling them to put in a modernized elo system
or even a watchamacallit
stoic spruce
Even a doohickey
dark stump
The mythic+ meta for a season in Legion was 1 Blood DK and 4 Affliction Warlocks...
the aids comp was pretty strong
outer sky
the aids comp was pretty strong
I was exaggerating when I called it meta but it was very good for what it was lol
stoic spruce
the thingy where u play the game and earn thingies for playing
Renown?
potent pivot
not renown but similar
stoic spruce
You're in your own on this one
potent pivot
battle pass
stoic spruce
Oh yeah
vocal surge
The PvErs gonna moan
stoic spruce
I think renown would be a safer option
potent pivot
no1 cares
stoic spruce
if they're mount/mog collectors
They all are
stoic spruce
Even if they don't admit it
potent pivot
and they have a good elo system
dark stump
didn't reduce the reward from the chest because "it cost them more money than they gain"
potent pivot
idk
stoic spruce
Well this would mean Blizz would also have to implement it well
dark stump
coming from blizzard it wouldn't even be added xD
potent pivot
all i'm saying is
ppl like venruki etc
have been asking for this kinda stuff for a decade
nothin ever happens
every season/expansion since i came back in SL
potent pivot
they've all repeatedly said that kinda shit 
stoic spruce
Midnight is WoD 2.0 and they're gonna make a ton of massive game wide changes and it'll be good again
In TLT
potent pivot
yea ok buddy
dark stump
Midnight is WoD 2.0 and they're gonna make a ton of massive game wide changes an...
I have a dream
dark stump
Why is every spec so boring and dumb?
bcz from tww to midnight they removed half of the spells to simplify for some people with brain damage or learning difficulty
dark stump
bring back old arcane plz
dark stump
care to develop ?
potent pivot
there's eleventy talents for each spec in the game
stoic spruce
It's a pattern
potent pivot
what are they gonna do next
stoic spruce
there's eleventy talents for each spec in the game
That's not a real number
potent pivot
class tree apex talents ?????
potent pivot
dark stump
i think i'm too tired or too high to understand
outer sky
Why dont they just make the game good now instead of waiting for future expansions to do all these amazing things? Are they like pausing for dramatic effect or something?
stoic spruce
They just like me fr
vocal surge
To make selling points probably
stoic spruce
They probably don't have time
dark stump
Why dont they just make the game good now instead of waiting for future expansio...
instead of making everything good in one game they make it in different expansion to bring more money
dark stump
it always been because of the money
outer sky
Idk i think they'd make more money if the game was just perpetually good so people would stop unsubbing and new players would sub
dark stump
Why would a company try to make money?
difference btw a company aiming for money and one doing it for the passion and love of the game (wow vs warframe)
potent pivot
wonder if the game even makes it past TLT tbh
stoic spruce
Maybe if content patches weren't 3 months long
outer sky
wonder if the game even makes it past TLT tbh
It will
stoic spruce
wonder if the game even makes it past TLT tbh
It feels like it's building up to a reset tbh
potent pivot
Maybe if content patches weren't 3 months long
everyone wanted shorter seasons
stoic spruce
Or something big, maybe not a reset
potent pivot
now everyone wants longer seasons with more polished stuffs
outer sky
Or something big, maybe not a reset
You mean story wise?
stoic spruce
No, like actual gameplay stuff. Idk it feels like the end of an era.
outer sky
No, like actual gameplay stuff. Idk it feels like the end of an era.
Elaborate
stoic spruce
TLT sounds very close ended and they're adding all this stuff to classes that in no way shape or form will age well. What on earth could they possibly do after TLT? Much less Midnight
dark stump
now everyone wants longer seasons with more polished stuffs
now everyone want pala deleted/reworked
joke aside wow rlly needs change pvp or story wise
stoic spruce
They've done all the raids that people wanted
dark stump
they need to make story more gore like classis or wotlk with kel tuzad
dark stump
They've done all the raids that people wanted
eldritch horror ? could be nice
potent pivot
everyone get ready for WoW2, brought to you by Epic Games
dark stump
Light\void expac
void is just trash what they did with it
outer sky
TLT sounds very close ended and they're adding all this stuff to classes that in...
Have you read some of this shit they've said though? If thats their goal theyre doing a great job of hiding it
stoic spruce
What's their goal
outer sky
They also got more explicit after that. In February 2025, Holly Longdale said Blizzard was building “the foundations for the next 20 years and beyond,” described several initiatives as long-term, and said the team now has dedicated efforts around things like Housing and Social alongside expansions.
Then in January 2026, Blizzard again described The Last Titan only as the third and final installment of the Worldsoul Saga, not the end of WoW, and said Housing was built to “grow and evolve over the years.”
dark stump
It's always been trash
what ? the void ?
the old gods were rlly good , yshaarj , yog ...
outer sky
void is just trash what they did with it
The void isnt scary
stoic spruce
They also got more explicit after that. In February 2025, Holly Longdale said Bl...
I'm not saying it's the end of WoW, just a big reset on classes and stuff
dark stump
Ha multiple
when i say eldritch i'm talking about this , or bloodborn
dark stump
I'm not saying it's the end of WoW, just a big reset on classes and stuff
like ff 14 arr ?
outer sky
But yeah the villain in wow has been extremely lacking ever since they got rid of Sargeras
stoic spruce
Yeah they're not throwing away housing that fast, that'd be crazy
outer sky
Shadowlands was like a fucking acid trip
stoic spruce
like ff 14 arr ?
Possibly
dark stump
Shadowlands was like a fucking acid trip
SL first step down to hell
outer sky
Don't forget the Sylvanas cutscene
Theyre trying to retcon it
potent pivot
yea sylvanas is back kek
stoic spruce
SL could've been salvaged at the end so easily
vocal surge
Theyre trying to retcon it
And then walked back on it
stoic spruce
It's actually infuriating
vocal surge
With the March of Quel'danas cutscene
outer sky
With the March of Quel'danas cutscene
Wait explain
vocal surge
Sylvanas comes out of nowhere and shoots Xalatah
And then returns to the Maw after Xalatath leaves and she has a convo with her sister (not Alleria)
outer sky
Oh I meant retcon SL in the sense that they originally framed it as though the Jailer was actually manipulating Sargeras and the Dread Lords the whole time and was actually the main bad guy throughout all of wow lore
And then they realized that just ruined everything
And walked it way back
vocal surge
Ah
Imma be honest
I cant take the lore serious
Even roleplayers now dont understand the lore
potent pivot
I cant take the lore serious
no one can
vocal surge
You have to be a loremaster that's up to date to know what's going on
potent pivot
i haven't seen a singular positive post about lore since i've come back to the game
in SL
the lore is too obviously dragged out
vocal surge
I made a nfsw joke back in S1 when Dalaran blew up
Where Khadgar got locked up in Xalataths dungeon to my friend
potent pivot
after TLT we will get a happy-go-lucky expansion like FFXIV's Dawntrail expansion
vocal surge
Long and behold, he returns with a wheelchair
potent pivot
where we just chill and spread love
vocal surge
In SLs, the Rune dude, I called it that he was the maldraxxus dude
potent pivot
and fight bosses that are just partying
vocal surge
S2 rolls around and confirms it
vocal surge
after TLT we will get a happy-go-lucky expansion like FFXIV's Dawntrail expansio...
TLT is probably Ragnarok tbh
From Norse Mythology
Since the devs said it'll take place in Northrend
outer sky
"The shadowlands are not at all what they seem. I hope to see you all again. Before the end begins"
vocal surge
And all the Norse God copies in WoW lore live in Northrend
outer sky
Iike
Wtf
Even is that line
They're trying to make it sound ominous but it just sounds incoherent and confusing
vocal surge
Yeee
But like I said
TLT is probably gonna be WoW's Ragnarok
Everything is lining up to be the same as the Norse Mythology Ragnarok
outer sky
Everything is lining up to be the same as the Norse Mythology Ragnarok
Last cutscene after the last raid of TLT will get cut short and skip to a clip of your character "waking up" as a human teenager next to his friends holding a bong asking if he "felt it"
vocal surge
stoic spruce
TLT is probably gonna be WoW's Ragnarok
They copy pasted it with SL so I wouldn't doubt
vocal surge
Yeee
stoic spruce
"somehow Sylvanas returned"
dark moon
Last cutscene after the last raid of TLT will get cut short and skip to a clip o...
What are those lands of shadow you're taking about man. Get online and let's form a southshore raid and kill their gryphon master, so they can't escape. I'm almost level 32,so im stockpiling fadeleaf for blinding powder. They won't be able to see us, man!
stoic spruce
When the worst trope is the best possible outcome.
vocal surge
Last cutscene after the last raid of TLT will get cut short and skip to a clip o...
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/theories-about-shadowlands-speakings-of-a-mad-troll/480436/4
dark stump
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/theories-about-shadowlands-speakings-of-...
too long for me to read
can i get a summary plz
vocal surge
Go read it
outer sky
Ill ask chatgpt to tldr it sec
outer sky
can i get a summary plz
The OP’s theory is that Shadowlands is using Norse mythology as a template. He argues the Jailer is basically a Loki analogue: a powerful death-related figure who is chained in his own realm, the Maw.
He then focuses on serpent/cycle symbolism. He connects the serpent carving in Waycrest Manor to Jormungandr, and says Oribos sounds like Ouroboros, so he thinks Blizzard is hinting at a cosmic serpent representing the cycle of life and death.
From there, he maps Sylvanas to Sigyn, because of the hooded/tear-mark visual similarity, but says Sylvanas is not the caretaker — she’s the liberator helping free the Jailer.
So his bottom-line theory is: Sylvanas and the Jailer want to break the life/death cycle itself, which would “free” everyone from it, but would also wreck reality
dark stump
The OP’s theory is that **Shadowlands is using Norse mythology as a template**. ...
well that's SL plot no ?
outer sky
well that's SL plot no ?
Yeah but this post was made in March of 2020
dark stump
Yeah but this post was made in March of 2020
he is the seer
stoic spruce
So he was right
dark stump
praise the fool
stoic spruce
Lmao
dark stump
The OP’s theory is that **Shadowlands is using Norse mythology as a template**. ...
but no one could've predicted how they would introduce the void to wow
with xalatath feets...
jokes aside i rlly hate how they designed the void
outer sky
with xalatath feets...
Yeah it just seems like they dont know where theyre goinh with it
dark stump
Yeah it just seems like they dont know where theyre goinh with it
it seems they gave the plot chatgpt and ask it to make it more family friendly
they were described as being stronger and more horrific than the old god
but now it's like comparing cthulu with some cartoon
stoic spruce
Well
They can't make anything as captivating as another Arthas because it's very against what they do
Everyone over here with therapy sessions when Arthas needed one the most and he went out like a champ lol
dark stump
They can't make anything as captivating as another Arthas because it's very agai...
i'm imagining how it would've turned out if they gave the plot to reverend insanity author or Lord of the mysteries
stoic spruce
Blizz would never do a mass genocide again
dark stump
Everyone over here with therapy sessions when Arthas needed one the most and he ...
out of arthas actions we got a goth elf with family issue that caused us one of the worst expansion in the game , a friendzoned elf that caused us to shed a team for his sacrifice
stoic spruce
Don't like how they're milking him tbh
Unfortunately there's not many good villains lol
dark stump
Don't like how they're milking him tbh
well he was the main character from warcraft to wotlk (except tbc)
stoic spruce
It's nice having a villain expand more than 1 expansion
dark stump
Unfortunately there's not many good villains lol
they could've made sylvanas with schyzophrinia , it could've give us more impact
outer sky
How did Xalatath get into that blade
I thought N'zoth sealed her in there or something
dark stump
How did Xalatath get into that blade
i don't think it was mentionned yet
stoic spruce
I thought N'zoth sealed her in there or something
I think so
dark stump
either sealed or fleed inside the blade
dark stump
But in her backstory in the short
oh the cinematic with ugly ass child
outer sky
But in her backstory in the short
I thought it was heavily implied that she was lying about this to deceive the ethereals
dark stump
I thought it was heavily implied that she was lying about this to deceive the et...
same thoughts
vocal surge
I thought it was heavily implied that she was lying about this to deceive the et...
idk, it doesn't feel like Blizzard can write that well
stoic spruce
The good writers left a while ago
Millennials took their place
And we know how that goes
dark stump
Blizz would never do a mass genocide again
they should
stoic spruce
They should just do something actually threatening instead
Instead of being told they're going to do something threatening
outer sky
Instead of being told they're going to do something threatening
One thing that has be bored of this lore is that, at least to me, it seems like even blizzard doesnt know what Xal'atath's real end goal is. Because if they did, they would have revealed it by now. So at this point is just comes off a meandering and stalling while they think of something
stoic spruce
I want to have a reason to hold resentment against my enemy, a looming threat doesn't cut it
stoic spruce
One thing that has be bored of this lore is that, at least to me, it seems like ...
I get both ways tbh, since it's the first villain expanding multiple expansions in a long time I can enjoy the build up. But on the other hand I agree
She doesn't seem that far into her plan
dark stump
Instead of being told they're going to do something threatening
dimensius aka the boss of the size of storm wind was a disappointement
stoic spruce
I thought Dimensius was the only good part of that raid
Even though we knew what would happen
dark stump
the lore of tww + midnight = let's xalatath , oh damn she betrayed me
outer sky
She doesn't seem that far into her plan
We need SOMETHING
stoic spruce
And you know what?
dark stump
genocide + reset ?
stoic spruce
Even though we knew what would happen
This is what irritates me the most
dark stump
(in game)
outer sky
This is what irritates me the most
Dont we always know what happens? We beat the enemy. If we didnt the franchise would end loo
stoic spruce
All throughout the campaign, you're being put in situations like that underground elf lady. "They'd never forgive me" obviously they will wdym??
dark stump
Dont we always know what happens? We beat the enemy. If we didnt the franchise w...
wow classic was more about surviving against arthas and his army
stoic spruce
Dont we always know what happens? We beat the enemy. If we didnt the franchise w...
That's not necessarily true though
Like
Let's say her goal was to take over say Kalimdor
And she succeeded
Reclaiming it would be interesting to endure
Because we know she's an actual real threat
That's what makes Arthas so cool, he walked the walk.
minor cape
Silence blue name
discord moment lol
stoic spruce
https://tenor.com/view/ichigo-rolecist-gif-10194188084563335178
I'm not
outer sky
haven't been here for some time
How can we help
outer sky
anyways what is current subtlety gear goal?
4 set
stoic spruce
@outer sky putting a pin in this convo, I gotta finish my shift
outer sky
is it all versa mastery?
Haste is decent this season
Theres a gearing guide in the pins
minor cape
Haste is decent this season
so like
you have to get some amount of haste?
how much?
outer sky
you have to get some amount of haste?
600-700 stats worth
jolly sierra
haven't been here for some time
SEXOOOOOOO
minor cape
lololo
jolly sierra
how is ur life dude?
storm rock
yo im fairly new to pvp, what gear should i get and is it worth it to get the galactic color ? or are there guides on what gear to get in what order ?
potent pivot
you still here!!
potent pivot
yo im fairly new to pvp, what gear should i get and is it worth it to get the ga...
Spec?
potent pivot
@stoic spruce @vocal surge
potent pivot
outlaw
Pretty sure the first conquest piece you’d buy is legs to catalyst into tier set, you can refer to murlok.io or by checking outlaw rogues on drustvar
Not sure what you mean by color
storm rock
you can buy it at the conquest vendor it say it turns regular items to higher ilvl in arena
minor cape
<a:pikawave:1055514322400452788>
trickz still the boss here
potent pivot
But yeah generally that is a good thing to do
minor cape
sick
storm rock
But yeah generally that is a good thing to do
aight will do that for my tierset first then then look to complete the rest thx ^^
potent pivot
aight will do that for my tierset first then then look to complete the rest thx ...
Just check which pieces other outlaw rogues are using in pvp somewhere
I’ve only really touched sub and a little assa so far this season
storm rock
will do, there must be something overlapping. would wonder if outlaw needs mastery
potent pivot
will do, there must be something overlapping. would wonder if outlaw needs maste...
it doesn't really naw
you can somewhat follow this guys gear
but he hasn't played that rogue in over a week so its prolly a little behind
lime oar
you have to get some amount of haste?
you willll get the minimum haste for 1 extra dance global and then dump the rest into masteryyyy
stoic spruce
<@530563212093947914> <@274725815244029952>
Sup
minor cape
you willll get the minimum haste for 1 extra dance global and then dump the rest...
so like he said 600?
stoic spruce
yo im fairly new to pvp, what gear should i get and is it worth it to get the ga...
Yeah you can get it on any spec tbh. For gear, get your main stat pieces first
minor cape
whats the haste % needed
stoic spruce
Like your chest and head and stuff AFTER trinkets
Tier is last thing to get
It's not that big compared to sub
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
potent pivot
Bare minimum is 200 to get you going with 1 extra global of dance
600-700 is 2 extra globals
There’s also #1283780831147589713
Should at least get you started with first buys etc
minor cape
so like
stoic spruce
Just pinging ppl that have actually played law this ssn for that guy <:kekdog:90...
That's all of em
stoic spruce
yo im fairly new to pvp, what gear should i get and is it worth it to get the ga...
Transmog worth is totally up to you btw, I can't give you that answer.
potent pivot
most items will be haste
if you go for the 600-700 rating breakpoint yea
both breakpoints (200vs600) are fine really
higher haste can be a bit better for shuffle type shit
higher overall dps
gleaming sentinel
but he hasn't played that rogue in over a week so its prolly a little behind
sub player now
potent pivot
iirc i have like 5 pieces that are mastery, then 2 crit daggers until we can craft daggers later on
gleaming sentinel
gleaming sentinel
awc week hype
gleaming sentinel
im signd up again rofl
minor cape
both breakpoints (200vs600) are fine really
thank you
gleaming sentinel
w actually lost to dazed and gave them their first win. So our joke is "the champions of awc had to go though us"
(it was rd 1)
potent pivot
lmao
dark kernel
w actually lost to dazed and gave them their first win. So our joke is "the cham...
Worth it just to get rolled
vocal surge
yo im fairly new to pvp, what gear should i get and is it worth it to get the ga...
Leg + Hands are best
storm rock
good to know i gambled on hands and bought them
spring bough
yesterday got a stroke and acted sussy
Trickz was fiending in chat yesterday like what 
molten hedge
I’ve only really touched sub and a little assa so far this season
I heard u been touching a lot of ass uh
jolly sierra
Trickz was fiending in chat yesterday like what <a:waitwhatspin:4800806517905817...
lit
jolly sierra
what happened
got possessed
spring bough
got possessed
What dat mouf do 
gleaming sentinel
jolly sierra
?? Delve Let me solo him, 4 times down to 2 % and i die<a:RAGEY:1174480252530081...
i got mad w mages in rbgs
fuckers just baits trinket, run, returns, cap and u fuck off
frost mages, fucking frost mages
poor u stun them
gusty hedge
that last dam ogre! almost dead then its all this bs void on the floor orb sucking me in and his the boss chunking my Hp away almsot on shotting me lol and valeer not dropping any heals bam dead wtf is a cheat death
tricks trade wont even take agro off me
gusty hedge
https://tenor.com/view/you-got-to-be-quicker-than-that-gotta-be-quicker-than-tha...
what curios did u use or build for outlaw
spring bough
?? Delve Let me solo him, 4 times down to 2 % and i die<a:RAGEY:1174480252530081...
Took me like 57 attempts on tank DH 😭
gusty hedge
spring bough
That tank buster mech killed me everytime below 10%. One shot from 100% most of the time. Was so frustrating
gusty hedge
Took me like 57 attempts on tank DH 😭
im at the point where i can tell i will lose lol, depending on where the adds spawn its like hell rn haha
want this ish done!
12th try this morning
my friday no Gy Work, about to take some shots and go in
jolly sierra
fucking hunters and frost mages i wanna fkn vent hard
spring bough
fucking hunters and frost mages i wanna fkn vent hard
Bring back old maneuverability pls
jolly sierra
Bring back old maneuverability pls
yes fkn bring it back was unfair to nerf it
gusty hedge
https://tenor.com/view/baby-crying-baby-crying-gif-7234455624545360372
tilting so hard i cant even get to where i was , just dropping now after first add pack
i swear boss is hitting harder than he was
idk how people did it first week
gleaming sentinel
what curios did u use<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> or build for outlaw
I don’t remember, I read what @vocal surge wrote on the blizz forums and just followed that lol
vague latch
sorry for the late reply like uh i think barkskin, shadow form those kind
gleaming sentinel
I’d just say use cooldowns on the adds and at the end try and let valeera tank with tricks
Save evasion for the last absolute minute there
jolly sierra
https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-kicking-gif-23507491
ye its normal to have fkn tantrums if game treat us like shit
proven field
You lieteral trowed it mon
ionic crown
https://youtu.be/yuchx8mn2rE?si=DYGM6ZHQ1uI9gwwD
deathstalker burst
dark kernel
i think sub rogue might be broken?
I think arms is tbqh
Thunder and Turbo man....looking very S++ tier
Perfect class Warrior do no wrong
jolly sierra
Thunder and Turbo man....looking very S++ tier
i was about to say "ask mud" but just checked the name above lol
cobalt pewter
Thunder and Turbo man....looking very S++ tier
sub rogue farms it
dark kernel
sub rogue farms it
Idk man. Not feeling so hot. I think you're in trouble
cobalt pewter
dark kernel
Think lots more war than sub rogue in AWC
pastel burrow
spring bough
I will be pushing for sub rogue nerfs you guys have dodged it for far too long
Can you get outlaw some buffs while ur at it
dark kernel
Nahj would be very angry with you if he played
cobalt pewter
but its too crazy rn
spring bough
Oh hell nah
What’s wrong w outlaw? Better warrior or something? 😭
gusty hedge
stealth warrior with leather armor!
ruby tree
Guys new to rogue, is there a simple do this BG Blitz guide for rogue? I get the ninja caps on base maps but not sure what to do in the others
spring bough
Guys new to rogue, is there a simple do this BG Blitz guide for rogue? I get the...
Just do rogue things. Stealth caps on bases. Flag carrying. Kill EFCs. No matter what you do though. Someone will always blame you for losing or yell at you for doing the wrong thing even if it’s right
ruby tree
Just do rogue things. Stealth caps on bases. Flag carrying. Kill EFCs. No matter...
Haha. So, go Feral? 👀 yeah, a little apprehensive to dip toes...
molten hedge
but its too crazy rn
It’s rly bad pls don’t nerf us
dark kernel
What’s wrong w outlaw? Better warrior or something? 😭
You can't take Mud seriously here this is his entertainment
halcyon timber
It’s rly bad pls don’t nerf us
They won’t , just like they won’t enforce literacy. They already reduced 4x now while elevating other classes. Choosing not to practice literacy is either ignorance or narrative/ perception bias in attempts to swings on personal agendas.
spring bough
They won’t , just like they won’t enforce literacy. They already reduced 4x now ...
Literacy for wow players 🤣
jolly sierra
You can't take Mud seriously here this is his entertainment
mud is the local shitposter
spring bough
hey, is it worth doing this?
Will it unlock 4 set achieve or do u have already
wind rampart
nope i dont have it
but i dont have gear the spare for achievements... is it important?
spring bough
but i dont have gear the spare for achievements... is it important?
Once u get 4 set you unlock the achievement to get more catalyst charge drops from all content
wind rampart
I'm guessing that's important too... thanks I will do some gemini mining
cobalt pewter
mud is the local shitposter
I speak the truth breh 🗣️ 💯
rapid furnace
i havent seen you speak truth in ... about 2 years ? :^)
gilded gulch
i hate anyone that plays healers in 2v2
thats 90% of comps
rapid furnace
well i dont have any mage friends to play pvp with :D
gilded gulch
its decent with boomy or sp but less room for error
technically ig you can play sub with most dps in 2s
besides warrior
rapid furnace
sadly my guild doesnt really play PVP
im pretty much solo playing the last 4 Xpacs
lilac sigil
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
rapid furnace
and im too bad for PVP guilds HAHAHAHA
gilded gulch
i forgot pvp guilds are a thing
gusty hedge
guilds are overrated 
rapid furnace
well
i dont have PVP friends either xD
id be happy to even have someone to do RBGs or smth with :p
gusty hedge
i dont have PVP friends either xD
gilded gulch
this is why shuffle exists
rapid furnace
this is why shuffle exists
true. but shuffle makes me angry
id rather have someoen to be average with and just... somewhat enjoy the game and get better together
then solo shuffling
gilded gulch
shuffle when the devoker triple stuns the enemy team when im 50 yd away
that and warrior players
its always warrior mains tossing dr stormbolts at 5s on dr
gusty hedge
id rather have someoen to be average with and just... somewhat enjoy the game an...
rogue life is a lonely one!
rapid furnace
lol for me its more of a problem that warrior just burst you in milisecs with hardly any setup
rapid furnace
rogue life is a lonely one!
well... its the same with every other class :P only classes im interest in playing is Melees
so all i play is ... Rogue Feral and maybe some Warr/Dk
rapid furnace
bruh
rapid furnace
im part of Valdrkken accord... so basically one of the biggest RP guilds.
and i dont RP
rapid furnace
if anything just find a guild with a cool name and rock it
honestly for me the big problem is, i kinda need a better player to like play with that i can watch While playing myself
its the only way i learn
and i hate it xD
watching streams or guides does nothing for me
gusty hedge
honestly for me the big problem is, i kinda need a better player to like play w...
Trial and error is the best way!
do your rotation on pvp dummies, find whats good/ what works, and play lots of bgs/ wpvp 
for arena pump out skirms you'll get better vs other classes in no time tbh, you'll end up figuring out how to counter each class gameplay
rapid furnace
Trial and error is the best way!
do your rotation on pvp dummies, find whats goo...
i do fine in BGs i dont do fine in arena xD
gusty hedge
i do fine in BGs i dont do fine in arena xD
gusty hedge
ret frost ret frost ret frost ret frost
might need to roll a ret
rapid furnace
https://tenor.com/view/sei-seiyans-sei-seiyan-sei-think-sei-trust-sei-gifs-gif-1...
all i can do xD
gusty hedge
rough rock
might need to roll a ret
im ngl im pretty close to doing that
gusty hedge
im ngl im pretty close to doing that
should be an ez 2.1 in blitz
rapid furnace
time to reroll Warrior and go one of those 1 shot macros from swifty :^)
rough rock
should be an ez 2.1 in blitz
nah blitz is cursed for me
rapid furnace
idc what i have to do. i want the 1800 rating stuff xD
rough rock
ever since that shit happened on my outlaw i have no desire
gusty hedge
seen afew arms wars in open world lvling, looks like they are getting ready for tomorrows fixes
rough rock
worthless rating changes
rapid furnace
If arms didnt feel so clunky, it would probably be my go to class
gusty hedge
idc what i have to do. i want the 1800 rating stuff xD
blitz all the way!! so ez rn mmr is inflated
rapid furnace
allthough... i just love double vanish rogue xD
gusty hedge
im boycotting rated play until i see more outlaw buffs
cobalt pewter
i havent seen you speak truth in ... about 2 years ? :^)
potent pivot
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aegtracker/gallery
@severe helm @outer sky @jaunty osprey
outer sky
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aegtracker/gallery
<@151872253229924352> <...
Welp, if this works then were literally ONLY missing the damage meter
severe helm
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aegtracker/gallery
<@151872253229924352> <...
Ooooooh boy lol
severe helm
I just want interrupt tracking
This is kinda op though
Man how'd the fuck up so bad
After all this
We've gone nowhere
potent pivot
sorry for the late reply like uh i think barkskin, shadow form those kind
You can’t see anything you want anymore. MiniCC has a “bigdebuffs” function to show u important auras n enemies
potent pivot
i think sub rogue might be broken?
Broken as in completely unplayable dogshit yep
jaunty osprey
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/aegtracker/gallery
<@151872253229924352> <...
X
Xd
addons are all back
potent pivot
hey, is it worth doing this?
Do not do that to honor/bloody token gear, fuck no. You should not catalyst 276ilvl shit.
potent pivot
https://twitter.com/vspeedd/status/2041244133335924939?s=46&t=2ki0CGMI9nVZ4Y5Z8-...
OmniCD addons have been out for weeks
They are all trash though
Except for the Zae_Defensives one
jaunty osprey
Have u tested aegtracker
potent pivot
Have u tested aegtracker
It’s not going to be true CDs though
I can already say that much
Any CDs effected by CDR, talent reductions, etc. won’t be tracked properly I’m sure
It’s going to be guessing CDs based on what it’s allowed to see