Well all season
#pvp
outer sky
sleek belfry
first season of new xpac rule continues for sub
guys well let me rant about how blitz killed rbgs
more accessible but legit not a single person has any idea what they’re doing
and chat bans
stoic spruce
Solo queue in general I feel
Ever since shuffle I haven't had a lot of fun in arenas
sleek belfry
rbgs used to have like a fun social scene at least
and now we just all complain about our shit ass 2nd healer
compact moat
for rogue does both weapon enchantment work
if i apply them on both weapons?
or is it only main hand
also why i cant get rated bg queue for rogue
rough rock
personally used to like it too but the double vanish is so clutch
Maybe with the damage buffs it could be better but losing 10% on adr kinda makes me not want to use it even more
Technically still a 2% nerf if im not counting the extra points unless that doesnt matter
final dew
how the stats looking?
potent pivot
if i apply them on both weapons?
Yes both
Would recommend 1 rendorei and 1 mastery for sub
potent pivot
how the stats looking?
Haste looks either too low or too high
normal barn
i don't know enough about assa this season to know if it's now viable with this buff
potent pivot
It was already viable
rough rock
Would recommend 1 rendorei and 1 mastery for sub
mast in offhand right?
put rendori on both forgot about it lol
potent pivot
Doesn’t matter what slot you put enchants
But yea 1x1
U can stick to 2 rendoreis if u want
rough rock
extra mast sounds good
potent pivot
1x1 isn’t anything groundbreakingly better
rough rock
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
blissful falcon
https://www.skill-capped.com/wowarticles/guides/subtlety-rogue-pvp-guide/gearing/ how is this possible?
i thought we dont have enough conquest to do that
potent pivot
https://www.skill-capped.com/wowarticles/guides/subtlety-rogue-pvp-guide/gearing...
It’s not
That’s then showing end of season “bis”
Not what you should have this week
blissful falcon
oh
potent pivot
I wouldn’t recommend following skillcapped for gear anyway most likely
Nor iceyveins
blissful falcon
looks like theyre also missing weapons
potent pivot
looks like theyre also missing weapons
They’re not
All the green name items are crafted
They’re saying those should be conquest ilvl crafted items
blissful falcon
ah
what 4 pieces would you recommnd i focus on conquest wise
got shoulders, pants
head
potent pivot
Gloves
blissful falcon
and will conquest limit incrase next week too?
blissful falcon
cool
potent pivot
Then uncapped later
quick temple
Ez dub
dark stump
Does this seem legit?
i would put mage , lock and elem sham on priority target
since u can't rlly let them free cast or u're dead
in general any caster that hit hard in must focus
everything else in good general target
Pala in fck it
stoic spruce
The amount of bad rets, id say they make good targets at least half the time
It's sad how big the gap is between pve and pvp DK is
Imagine being a king in pve and you're just dirt in pvp 💀
dark stump
u can swap from main target to ret if they use their cd def p, their ally
dark stump
It's sad how big the gap is between pve and pvp DK is
getting hard nerfed first week didn't help
stoic spruce
PvE getting rebuffed gave everyone the impression it applies to pvp
Oh well
AS IS TRADITION
warped gate
in general any caster that hit hard in must focus
everything else in good gener...
So basically, every single caster except for Demo Locks?
I genuinely don't know about Augs, I haven't seen one all Midnight.
dark stump
So basically, every single caster except for Demo Locks?
demo lock is a must focus
since minion spec can't rlly be los
warped gate
Doesn't most their damage come from their block party they summon?
dark stump
Doesn't most their damage come from their block party they summon?
yes which they follow u while he can stay behind a pillar
focusing a target is mostly to distract him from casting or doing his damage and make him focus on defensive and staying alive
maybe others may have different opinion but that's how i think
grave basin
war?
stoic spruce
Go for it
stoic spruce
Dragon Charge goes hard tho
They give tanks the coolest pvp talents for some reason
Maybe because they're actually useful in niche situations
dark stump
They give tanks the coolest pvp talents for some reason
got in a lobby with a war fury
got outdamage by a prot war
stoic spruce
I believe it
dark stump
i want a pettition to nerf druid bear form
it stay on bear form and still dose this dmg
graceful ravine
are there any addons that show DRs on yourself
severe helm
Does this seem legit?
not really
I would def not train an enh or any war spec
also id only go dk if youre a physical spec
if you have a caster on your team like an spriest then going dk is trolling
theyll never die to a dot caster
potent pivot
are there any addons that show DRs on yourself
yes, MyDRs. got it in the pins sir.
blissful falcon
is there anything to add pvp ilvel level up to normal pve tiered gear ?
potent pivot
what % nerf to finisher damage is the flawless form nerf
0% if you swap hero trees
severe helm
called varnish
potent pivot
:')
blissful falcon
says its for voidspire set though
graceful ravine
thanks
potent pivot
Is that the play for y'all?
after the nerf goes live maybe
anything is possible now
blizzard force feeding us dog shit
vocal surge
92 conq before weapons
severe helm
crate farm
potent pivot
says its for voidspire set though
wuh
ionic crown
holy shit deathstalker sucks so much
severe helm
says its for voidspire set though
that is the current set yes
voidspire is the current raid
blissful falcon
I thought grim jest?
potent pivot
holy shit deathstalker sucks so much
is it the hero tree or the operator
severe helm
I thought grim jest?
thats the name of our set
ionic crown
is it the hero tree or the operator
just saw patch notes and trying
potent pivot
deathstalker plays differently than trickster
ionic crown
deathstalker+finality so bad
potent pivot
i'm sensing copium
ionic crown
@potent pivot do u think still play trickster after nerfs?
potent pivot
do you know how to line up darkest night and finality evis
cuz they don't naturally align
potent pivot
<@629463378250956810> do u think still play trickster after nerfs?
its possible we swap
ionic crown
its possible we swap
ik how to use it but i mean it has so low burst
potent pivot
idk i gotta call cap
cuz it was already very similar burst to trickster
the only reason we haven't been playing it is because of Mark swapping
potent pivot
its the same as trickster
ionic crown
o
potent pivot
u just take finality instead of other shit
potent pivot
ionic crown
oh ty
ionic crown
which one do u use?
potent pivot
lingering
as deathstalker you basically bang for like
38 seconds
every blades
lingering will likely catch a nerf if we all swap
stoic spruce
38 seconds
7, take it or leave it
ionic crown
@potent pivot hmm its not bad so what do u think still trickster or try deathstalker
ionic crown
true
pastel burrow
they should just make deathstalkers mark a buff on us 😎
potent pivot
@grave basin https://x.com/Supatease/status/2040121141638078766
all hunters and all pets in general in pvp should be this
potent pivot
they should just make deathstalkers mark a buff on us 😎
yea the entire rogue community has only been asking for this for.. 2+ yrs?
gl
stoic spruce
I like it, I just wish it was available for outlaw
Don't ask what would work with what
I don't know 
pastel burrow
the only thing I like about it is the defensive and the lowered shadow step cd
severe helm
<@1057468068864999444> https://x.com/Supatease/status/2040121141638078766
nomod will target the first pet it can
then mod shift, alt, ctrl will target specific arena player's pet
but if theres only one pet class just pressing it with no mod works great very easy
potent pivot
nomod will target the first pet it can
why the FUCK would i EVER need some shit like this meowth
potent pivot
why would i ever have an issue targeting a pet
severe helm
cuz I dont like playing an aim trainer randomly to snipe click a pets nameplate
potent pivot
u r weird
severe helm
I am efficient
stoic spruce
Aren't they demons? I thought you couldn't sap demons
potent pivot
get away
stoic spruce
potent pivot
i don't even have to click them
stoic spruce
God forbid there's consistency
pastel burrow
wrong game for that
vocal surge
sappable still
I thought they are "immune" to sap because of Soul Link
where damaging the warlock breaks the sap from the demon
severe helm
that soul link was gone like 10 years ago
I thought it just gives them a shield now
either way you can def sap a warlock pet and open on them
is sap part of the list of ccs that doesnt break on damage immediatley anymore?
or is that only blind
I stand corrected
its still in the game
for all 3 warlock specs
oh nvm for affi destro its the blue text
stoic spruce
wrong game for that
Sometimes I wonder what it'd take to make a total change in career direction to work at blizzard.
pastel burrow
with the amount of cash shop shit they drop that'd be so sick
pastel burrow
bots would sky rocket more than they do though
pastel burrow
for sure
potent pivot
i'd bet they can cut the cost of literally everything they offer in half and still make bank
$10 sub, $40 epic expansion, $10 transmogs/mounts
just shit out more store shit for cheaper and more ppl will buy it all
pastel burrow
it still does psychic damage to me that they've managed to convince people to pay more to play the game 3 days early
pastel burrow
yeah it's hell
potent pivot
they do everything aside from actual gambling
people say the game isn't "p2w" but
we all know what @stoic spruce would do
revert all outlaw changes for the last couple years
stoic spruce
Exactly
SL Outlaw in it's entirety
We're bringing peak back
Feels nice knowing someone gets me 
pastel burrow
sl outlaw was kinda just a banger time
stoic spruce
what would be your first major directive
It's hard to say what my first change would be
Major major
Would be removing FtH now that it's so different
And adding something new in its place
Or old, we've had a lot of great talents in the past that could make a comeback
Idk where the creativity from Legion-Shadowlands went but it needs to come back
stoic spruce
You got kicked didn't you
potent pivot
gg rekt
severe helm
You got kicked didn't you
no shit
and the crazy thing is
they gave dks and demos
TWO kicks
lol
both ranged
so demo dk has 4 kicks
severe helm
I feel like they just went backwards with pvp quality
every match someone is saying its just chaos lol
it feels like random bgs
but in 3v3
peoples hp rubberbanding like crazy
stoic spruce
And I've played wod
But with WoD you had a general idea of what to expect but blizz throws so many curve balls
Like
The pruning for example
potent pivot
I feel like they just went backwards with pvp quality
Only for non-monk players
stoic spruce
Real
stoic spruce
The pruning for example
As I was saying, every time they pruned classes, they took away utility as well. This time around they didn't, all they pruned was defensives and rotational buttons
What was the point?
stoic spruce
It's exactly like last expac but now classes are less fun
severe helm
litearlly the CC buff was such a bad decision
you can easily sit 25 seconds of cc its so boring
stoic spruce
I swear it reminds me of classic wow
In a bad way
Old old classic, like wrath and tbh
Tbc
Classic classic
Simple class design and having a spot of tea while you sit in CC for 7 business days
severe helm
nah
tbh was like 30 times slower
you couldnt top someone in one cast
the time to kill is just comically bad rn
severe helm
its painful cuz its SUCH an easy thing to solve
they have the tools
its the pvp trinket set bonus
stoic spruce
What hurts the most is there are definitely people who play the game on the dev team yet they do stuff like this
Makes me wonder if they're having a good experience
dark stump
you can easily sit 25 seconds of cc its so boring
that's why i felt like i'm getting cc more than in tww ?
severe helm
that's why i felt like i'm getting cc more than in tww ?
its way more
Id say its like 30% more time spent in cc
dark stump
cause playing melee and still for hours between roots fear stun and etc...
dark stump
i have no shame to play monk anymore
severe helm
idk what moron at blizz made that decision
dark stump
specially against balance druid
severe helm
mw has more cc than outlaw
dark stump
idk what moron at blizz made that decision
like are we surprised for blizz decision lately ?
dk got nerfed the sec it shined in pvp
stoic spruce
Something happened behind closed doors for sure
dark stump
and is a class that's specifically defensively strong against magic
dark stump
Something happened behind closed doors for sure
getting rid of addon was one of the first decision that changed everything
stoic spruce
Well now it's countered by everyone with a disarm (every comp in the game)
severe helm
like are we surprised for blizz decision lately ?
its like theyre all smoking crack lately
the addon change
they completely failed on their goal
and made everyone rework their entire ui
dark stump
Well now it's countered by everyone with a disarm (every comp in the game)
? what's countered ?
severe helm
to end up at the same place
stoic spruce
? what's countered ?
Dk
severe helm
Well now it's countered by everyone with a disarm (every comp in the game)
how many classes have disarm?
dark stump
to end up at the same place
even worse damage meter not working correctly
severe helm
monk rogue war and hunter ish?
dark stump
how many classes have disarm?
all melee i think
stoic spruce
monk rogue war and hunter ish?
Boomy
dark stump
i don't ret as a melee
feral is a furry
stoic spruce
Even though it can get dispelled
severe helm
I feel like theres not many disarms in the game
dark stump
I feel like theres not many disarms in the game
imagine disarming a monk
stoic spruce
Most comps have at least one of the specs/classes listed
dark stump
why would you?
i'm the monk who get disarmed
severe helm
idk about that
dark stump
and it's not even his strongest spell xD
stoic spruce
Gimme 3
severe helm
comps?
stoic spruce
Yeah
dark stump
Dk
imagine reworking dk to make him a half range class that get countered because he get disarmed
grave basin
what we talking about
dark stump
what we talking about
blizz worst decision in midnight
dark stump
CC change, addond removed etc...
severe helm
the balance
grave basin
unholy being a tickle monster? i agree
dark stump
unholy being a tickle monster? i agree
unholy getting nerfed the moment it started shinning
severe helm
mmr/cr being capped for solo shuffle still
grave basin
there are more frost dks higher on shuffle than unholy
has this ever happened
since like legion
dark stump
has this ever happened
tww with the pillar frost pvp talent no?
severe helm
did you forget frost dk dev/aug season?
dark stump
should i just queue in solo bg as a healer even tough idk how to heal just to get cr
well frost is pretty rare nowadays
stoic spruce
has this ever happened
SL
S2 I think
The heal absorb kinda carries unholy to more viability
Since frost still brings nothing
potent pivot
The heal absorb kinda carries unholy to more viability
Absorb this 
stoic spruce
Present it....
potent pivot
stoic spruce
Omg he presented it
severe helm
Since frost still brings nothing
wdym
stoic spruce
Relative to unholy
severe helm
it bring aoe cc, grip, silence, ranged kick
brings a bunch
way more burst
like terrifying burst
severe helm
whats the some
stoic spruce
like terrifying burst
Extra CC and heal absorb that stacks with ms
severe helm
I feel like frosts design has always just been problematic for it
stoic spruce
Idk why that was a reply
severe helm
designing a spec around an insane go
stoic spruce
It's so dumb yeah
severe helm
always ends up with it being broken or trash
grave basin
unholy just feels like it's not able to keep up with specs that have more frequent goes
stoic spruce
It literally cannot, if you don't kill in second go you auto lose
dark stump
unholy just feels like it's not able to keep up with specs that have more freque...
unholy feels more like affliction
dark stump
in short round it's weak but in long one it's rlly op
grave basin
it's a melee demo lock
not aff lock
opposite of aff lock since our diseases do nothing
stoic spruce
it's a melee demo lock
In pve
grave basin
and gets auto cleansed by mw/ret/hpal
stoic spruce
Pvp has so many pet mods it almost doesn't matter
grave basin
for free
stoic spruce
There are mods present from DF btw
I wouldn't be surprised if there were some from SL
How many reworks and talent revamps is that?
If you kept up with unholy
Like 3 or 4?
grave basin
idk i found it really fun last season
when you still had 30 second goes with that pvp talent
stoic spruce
It was alright
stoic spruce
People think it's better than it actually was because it paired perfectly with MM one-shots
grave basin
im talking about how it plays ina vacuum
stoic spruce
Gotcha
grave basin
even popping wounds was instant damage
like it didnt depend on a stupid pet ai coming out of the ground then leaping then attacking for 1dps
stoic spruce
At this rate it won't matter soon
grave basin
i swear i hit like 2m crawling shadows last expac
stoic spruce
My crawling shadows normal was my outlaw crit
stoic spruce
All those mods just to end up right where it was before
Imagine if DK got the pve treatment in pvp
Totally different beast
vale steppe
Is the outlaw and Assa rogue buffs enough to make it good now!?
stoic spruce
I wouldn't use good
I'd say alright
Only time I can secure a kill confidently is if I rolled a Jackpot, had menacing, and Gravedigger
dark stump
obliderate for 185k 🙂
severe helm
I hit a 40k bte the other day!
dark stump
I hit a 40k bte the other day!
stoic spruce
Big dam
If the pve buffs didn't apply to pvp that probably would've sent me over the edge ngl
I would've eaten a time out for sure
severe helm
If the pve buffs didn't apply to pvp that probably would've sent me over the edg...
I think it might be a blue post error
Id be surprised if we get the 4
then the 8
but we'll see
stoic spruce
Surely they would've corrected themselves by now
maiden gull
If they make the 4% pve only we got nerfed during our burst window
that would be hilarious
the damage buff will change nothing sadly
outlaws flaws are more in their clumky kit, utility an def imho
dark stump
vocal surge
Ayyyyyyyy
My Coup slammed a mage
for 78k
crit
Literally mage had 10%
Coup de Grace
1st hit
78k
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOm
ocean thunder
every match someone is saying its just chaos lol
This means anything can happen which is good isn’t it? Instead of knowing X class will win
We are getting there for Assa, sloooowly but getting there!! Gonna level assa toon!!
vocal surge
Now let's see what Outlaw is up to!
78k Coup de Grace (1st hit)
severe helm
This means anything can happen which is good isn’t it? Instead of knowing X clas...
no
it means bad players win when they shouldnt
dark stump
hehe imagine playing melee against frost mage and lock
stoic spruce
Getting outshined by someone who picked up ret last week while I've played outlaw for years
BECAUSE ITS JUST SOOOOO COOL RET HAS AN ANSWER TO EVERYTHING
dark stump
Getting outshined by someone who picked up ret last week while I've played outla...
still can't understand why ret pala still have all of his cd def
while other spec get peed on
(rip dk)
dark stump
BECAUSE ITS JUST SOOOOO COOL RET HAS AN ANSWER TO EVERYTHING
life is hard
severe helm
does resto druid have instant cast clone now with NS?
warped gate
ayyo wtf
severe helm
did you know
warped gate
I guess this is the first one I've played with that pumped like this.
severe helm
clone->poly->poly->stun is enough time
to be cloned again
off dr 🙂
still went 5-1 but man did they make this game a lot less fun to play
its crazy how bad they fucked up
dark stump
clone->poly->poly->stun is enough time
clone-poly-root-frozen root-fear is enough to uninstall the game
gilded gulch
I guess this is the first one I've played with that pumped like this.
Well you see, unholy has alot of pets to cleave on
and he plays a good cleave spec while you dont
warped gate
Ahhhhh.
Fudged the numbers up.
Yeah, it was more reasonable when the UDK was on his team.
stoic spruce
I can't even tell who's on who's team
Is that also part of the unfair advantage? @severe helm
Dude
I don't understand the falloff the devs are willfully partaking in
dark stump
I don't understand the falloff the devs are willfully partaking in
well some decisions are made, and some are made high
stoic spruce
I think housing was added to soften the blow
This whole thing stinks of conspiracy
hollow carbon
I am actually concerned about surv buffs for Devourer. That spec felt immortal already in the last 2k lobby I played
Also what does the WW changes mean? It felt like I was drop dead as soon as WW connected on me, does that change?
potent pivot
Also what does the WW changes mean? It felt like I was drop dead as soon as WW c...
a bit yea
think they mostly nerfed their burst
dark moon
They are nerfing sub again?
potent pivot
trickster specifically
potent pivot
yep
dark moon
Fuck this company for real
potent pivot
yep
It’s gonna be really funny
If we just dodge this nerf by going ds
It’s incredible to me that
Blitz sees only 2-5 people have even queued assa/outlaw all season type shit
0 deathstalker
And they just keep buffing damage like it’s gonna change anything lmfao
Completely stagnant on design philosophy changes
dark moon
Last season i almost got couple of elite titles besides my rogue, and I had the most fun in pvp I've had the last couple of expansions. How is everything so bad right now and it feels terrible to play..
The 2 dr cc is the most fucked up shit
stoic spruce
Completely stagnant on design philosophy changes
They change every other expac
vocal surge
Noooooooooo
nova viper
Boyz
i have full honor gear
i wanna start playing pvp
what i must do now?
what i should craft
potent pivot
what i should craft
indigo tiger
Will Assassination become the main PvP spec after buffs, or is Subtlety still good for PvP and PvE? 
stoic spruce
Sub still
indigo tiger
180% is quite a lot, It seems.
potent pivot
ig trickster still insane as sub after nerfs
nerfs aren't live yet ...
ionic crown
ik
indigo tiger
I see, I saw the 180% and it kind of threw me off. 
potent pivot
180% is quite a lot, It seems.
they probably could've done 1000% and it wouldn't matter
marsh mauve
it does feel like air when you press it now, triple air wont make much difference 🤷♂️
the bleed buffs are nice though
indigo tiger
Compared to Devastation Evokers, we seem like meaningless dust anyway. 
potent pivot
fazed 8% increase dmg still there
if u know then how can u say this
potent pivot
ig trickster still insane as sub after nerfs
meant to reply to this
ionic crown
meant to reply to this
i missed 'will'
stoic spruce
I see, I saw the 180% and it kind of threw me off. <a:santalol:14295622421640643...
Lol yeah it happens allll the time. I remember back in SL, bdk had a conduit buffed by 8000% and it didn't even budge it's viability
Not an exaggeration btw
prime wing
Yo does anyone know if it's a normal bug for the bridges in eye of the storm to break invis/stealth when running over them? 
gusty hedge
Yo does anyone know if it's a normal bug for the bridges in eye of the storm to ...
shouldnt break stealth sure there was no hunter flare? lingering dot on you?! like shamans flame shock that persist through death and after you rez
prime wing
shouldnt break stealth <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456> sure there was no hunter...
You tell me 
This is after respawning and not seeing combat whatsoever while running back towards DR in EOTS
I havent tested the opposite bridge, but just had similar thing happen in a different map but in an open area with no collision 3D objects
neat laurel
wanton breach
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
old dome
Both haste and vers to 600-700 as sub?
grave basin
Youre not intentionally stacking verse to a certain number
Only haste since it has specific cut offs
old dome
So I should prio haste 600-700? I have mastery enchant on rings. And my haste is 311.
This my set up. Helm and shoulders tier, belt & boots crafted (haste/vers missive), conq gloves (capped conq). Im average 1.8k ss/blitz/arena and wanna try 1950 this season for pvp illusion. Wanna be as optimized as possible.
warm fern
I think you need more haste, up to 19% +-
old dome
I will buy haste enchants for rings. Thanks!
Also I can buy gems. No idea what the names are tho.
I have the main gem on tier helm.
warm fern
Yes
old dome
I have neck and 2 rings socket no gem I just realized.
warm fern
just push haste up to 19% i have its (645) or something
old dome
I will buy 3 gems
vague latch
y'know i was gonna say something smart but since embells are doo anyway
this might be a play for rogue rogue duels in arenas
or is that just the murder row cantrip cause uh..still bad then
vale steppe
y'know i was gonna say something smart but since embells are doo anyway
I ran it in the start, not worth, it never procs lol
vague latch
yeah the dude said it was for the vibe when i mentioned
is balance still worth targeting by the way
balmy shuttle
shouldnt break stealth <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456> sure there was no hunter...
I have played enough of EotS this season in Blitz to confirm this is a bug. You de-stealth when entering and/or leaving the bridge at either end.
Only as rogue. I asked a feral if he had the same problem and he said "no".
gusty hedge
oh wow... rogue only is crazy
gusty hedge
This my set up. Helm and shoulders tier, belt & boots crafted (haste/vers missiv...
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
vague latch
🥪
outer sky
I have played enough of EotS this season in Blitz to confirm this is a bug. You ...
Confirmed. Ive reported this bug so many times
lusty forum
Guys does one of you have a Nameplate addons or profile with every ennemies buff/debuff above their health bar ?
jolly sierra
i thought you crafted a fishing pole wtf
proven field
Yo, buffed mutilate users, how's it going?
gusty hedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342997855945887835/1489985896123207862/i...
with what blizzard allowsfor us to see
need mini cc
dark kernel
Looking at patch notes again, I legitimately wonder if Blizz is going to make outlaw meta just by raw damage
broken jewel
Looking at patch notes again, I legitimately wonder if Blizz is going to make ou...
Kind of boring how if outlaw is underperforming it gets buff after buff but when sub is b tier like last season everyone was ok with it
like having 2 children and treating them differently growing up kind of vibes
lusty forum
with what blizzard allowsfor us to see
need mini cc
Actually MiniCC allows us to see the big cd on the top of the screen right ?
dark kernel
Kind of boring how if outlaw is underperforming it gets buff after buff but when...
Sub has only been meta in SL and that was entirely because Covid forced blizz to structure how they worked from home and their development pretty much halted mid patch
We cannot be allowed to exist because people cannot shut the fuck up
I'm probably leveling my warrior depending on this next patch
broken jewel
S3 tww it was literally the worst melee of all. The worst, the last, maximum b- on all tierlists. We chilling
dark kernel
Maybe outlaw will be fun
broken jewel
We cannot be allowed to exist because people cannot shut the fuck up
Because ppl are bad at the game
dark kernel
I'm not doing another patch as sin
gusty hedge
Actually MiniCC allows us to see the big cd on the top of the screen right ?
should do both if im not mistaken,
Platynator is good to use, other than that for arena use arena core, addons in pins
dark kernel
Sin always finds its way to the meta and it's a dog shit watered down feral
If I wanted Assa class fantasy I would just play feral and be happier
broken jewel
It will be fun but this doesn't change the fact that ppl bitch and moan about sub like little skilless b%@$&
broken jewel
It will be fun but this doesn't change the fact that ppl bitch and moan about su...
This mr officer. It's this one right here
People literally lose their minds and can't sleep at night if sub is top 3 melees
Actually waking up at 4:30 am in cold sweats
gusty hedge
this is how most sub players act then proceed to be toxic in game
Top Sub hater <-----
dark kernel
Top Sub hater <-----
erm..
You have 2 sub rogues....
gusty hedge
broken jewel
<:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021> this is how mo...
How most sub players act?
dark kernel
I think I am legit leveling my arms and feral
gusty hedge
they foam at the mouth in game
broken jewel
It's not toxic if it's true. Hol' up
dark kernel
Arms never not good
Feral is already slept on
I assume WW gets gutted next so I'm skipping that meta
broken jewel
Pointing out the truth isn't toxic. You're living in a dream world neo
If u think what i said wasn't true
But yeah. Anyway... it's done and decided
the vast majority of the population, the middle of the bell curve , has done it again
Sub's always gonna get the nerf hammer cause ppl qq 24/7. Wcyd go next. Hey, atleast we'll always have dota, am I right?
dark kernel
It's just a lot bigger or a nerf than people realize
10% global nerf after modifiers and everything it's probably a 16% damage loss in dance
Functionally not possible to ever solo kill now
And it already wasn't going to be possible when people had full conquest
We will probably be doing about 40% max HP now in a go
old dome
Anyone tips about a enemy grp window addon for blitz/bg?
proper vortex
BattleGroundEnemiesFixed
old dome
Ty boss!
gleaming sentinel
Maybe outlaw will be fun
12% increase is pretty crazy
proven field
Sub always gonna be heavy-handed in nerftown because the gameplay is infuriating to play against for most specs.. “unstoppable goes you literally can’t see coming” I can see how that would tilt the fuck out of most players (just like ret tilts us - unstoppable goes)
balmy shuttle
12% increase is pretty crazy
A shame most of the mid/bottom row talents will still feel useless. Killing Spree, Fast Action, Hidden Opportunity, Audacity etc.
proven field
I don’t think they have any idea what to do with rogue as a class - let alone try to manage three versions of it
balmy shuttle
Takes a lot of fun out of outlaw, IMO. I prefer my talents to be impactful and not dps neutral
gusty hedge
A shame most of the mid/bottom row talents will still feel useless. Killing Spre...
they should've kept crackshot/uhuh
removed ghostly strike / Greenskin wickers /crackshot/uhuh
and gave us shit
kept ho but nerfed ambush/ builders and made it useless
balmy shuttle
They could have made Crackshot a PvP talent
To make both PvE and PvP players happy
gusty hedge
speakin of pvp talents, those are long overdue for reworks + new talents aswell
and true wouldve solved a few issues that way
we rarely take feint after its nerf so we have a free spot for niche choice
balmy shuttle
What? You don't like Boarding Party and Dagger in the Dark?
gusty hedge
boarding party was actully nice at times paired well with crackshot windows/ ace procs especially in open world/bgs when trying to chase down people, got the whole group at your back
almost perm sprint
balmy shuttle
you can't be serious 
gusty hedge
i rarely used it but tried it a few times still pretty uselss
I stick with turn the tables as a3rd choice pretty much
wtb new pvp talents or revert drink me up hardies nerf
balmy shuttle
I am sure we will get something down the line. 
They MIGHT finish outlaw talent tree this expansion. PERHAPS we get minor tuning of pvp talents or 1-2 entirely new pvp talents next expansion.
gleaming sentinel
Gotta remember servo is a random bg enjoyer
proven field
lol that reads like “this man eats babies”
balmy shuttle
why though
gusty hedge
IM Meme building 😛 put theorycrafting into action! haste verse rogue running Ho/ No prep (aslo testing full haste sub on this rogue later). Why it's never a bad idea to have too many rogues at your disposal 
gleaming sentinel
why though
some people have fun how they wanna have fun. dudes a chad
in a world of "everrything needs to super bis optimal gaming" its refreshing
dark kernel
IM Meme building 😛 put theorycrafting into action! haste verse rogue running Ho...
I want to hear how full haste goes on sub
severe helm
To make both PvE and PvP players happy
Pvers liked crackshot
Most of the people who didn't like crackshot weren't outlaw players
And the ones who were happy it got removed aren't even fucking playing outlaw rn
spring bough
And the ones who were happy it got removed aren't even fucking playing outlaw rn
Bring back crackshot 2026
proven field
in a world of "everrything needs to super bis optimal gaming" its refreshing
Gotta explore - and there's like 20 people in here total who would see real benefit from a 1% change here or there - the rest of us just playing to get 1400...1800...2k... and you could buff or nerf something 10% and none of us would really experience the difference
if you're having fun and it's working just send that shit
gleaming sentinel
And the ones who were happy it got removed aren't even fucking playing outlaw rn
its so true
balmy shuttle
Pvers liked crackshot
They didn't like Vanish being a DPS cooldown which Crackshot enabled, no?
severe helm
They didn't like Vanish being a DPS cooldown which Crackshot enabled, no?
Combination
Some people didn't like crackshot as a concept
Regardless of what enabled it
But some people didn't like stealth being part of outlaws kit
gusty hedge
Gotta remember servo is a random bg enjoyer
lost but was a fun match
pumpin them dispatches and ambushes
severe helm
pumpin them dispatches and ambushes <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
LOL no way youre running HO
gusty hedge
LOL no way youre running HO
vague latch
i mean there's enough dud talents to bring back crackshot in the future
glad about the rtb changes ngl
spring bough
Regardless of what enabled it
RIP 30 yard dispatches 😂
gusty hedge
LOOOOL brother
id have to recheck logs reset but not too hard one game it was my 4th highest damage
almost tied with auto attacks lol
vague latch
peak was 1560 and i had some round wins get away due to not having 4 set/enchants
spring bough
Just drop ace at this point 😭
vague latch
weird early season week for a noob
gusty hedge
Just drop ace at this point 😭
been actually gettin some nice refunds for a change, idk whats up
spring bough
been actually gettin some nice refunds for a change, idk whats up<:OMEGAKEKW:829...
HO have a higher chance somehow??
gusty hedge
HO have a higher chance somehow?? <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
i chained 5 in a row last game
quick temple
i like this but play lethality too if you're talenting spenders, along with fazed giving 50% crit dam
ambush actually crits decently i know ima get burned at the stake but i said it
gusty hedge
i like this but play lethality too if you're talenting spenders, along with faze...
i tried trickster but somehow felt sluggish after a bit, not as fluid with fatebound. gonan try more later, then off to test my full mastery outlaw
quick temple
feel like a deadly pursuit pvp mod would go hard
like if it was twice as effective in pvp
honestly feel like its slept on, pistol shot has further 20% increased crit chance as Trickster too
gusty hedge
I want to hear how full haste goes on sub
need a diff bg / 1v1 scenario
deff feels a bit weaker vs priest
quick temple
yea almost 40k ambush on a hunter lol
rough rock
Trickster was fun in beta to do some fun damage with KS
dark kernel
need a diff bg / 1v1 scenario
deff feels a bit weaker vs priest
Noiiooice but yeah need smaller fights
gusty hedge
Noiiooice but yeah need smaller fights
This was pretty much me and another rogue shredding farm deleting lock and dh + def feels weaker now that ive played afew other games. needs more mastery, sec tech is 18 sec but sdance still 7 sec
lmao im so thinking of that bg when i did ho outlaw lmao
this was temple
vocal surge
Sadge
was having a game look like 6-0
only for it turn into 4-2 because my teammate was lacking
dark kernel
I ate and ungodly amount of my wife's birthday cake
I also ate a lot of her blueberry lemon dessert
vocal surge
Sheesh
gusty hedge
I also ate a lot of her blueberry lemon dessert
dark kernel
https://tenor.com/view/smirk-got-em-gotcha-say-no-more-car-smirk-gif-90785541533...
Based on what you said earlier about high haste on sub, it looks like secret technique has a huge diminishing returns on how haste affects it
It was like that on beta, but people said that was a mistake and apparently blizzard changed it for a little while where you could get your secret technique cool down down to like 13 seconds, but that was never the case for me it seems super hard to get it lower than like 18 or 19
Kind of means going anywhere higher than 18 to 19% haste is pretty much useless. It's not worth getting any more Shadow dance duration
dark moon
I think I've seen mine at 14 seconds cd with haste trinket and lust and 15+ haste in pve
So that's not achievable in pvp
gusty hedge
i even ran double alacrity trink cq/honor for more haste, even with enchant putting haste over 33% when it procs i seen no difference
vocal surge
xD
indigo tiger
need a diff bg / 1v1 scenario
deff feels a bit weaker vs priest
Whoever made that name "Hi" is an absolute genius!
gusty hedge
Whoever made that name "Hi" is an absolute genius!
crude mason
Need a mog rogue with fist weaps
snow harness
spring bough
Is that a DH?? 👀
crude mason
Isnt the wings from the legendary daggers effect? Or was it the cata teir set
gusty hedge
Isnt the wings from the legendary daggers effect? Or was it the cata teir set
yeah lego daggers
gusty hedge
Need a mog rogue with fist weaps
potent pivot
10% global nerf after modifiers and everything it's probably a 16% damage loss i...
this is why i think we just swap to ds and play around it
because we essentially dodge this nerf
just have to get good at swapping mark with only DN
broken jewel
Yes but +2s cloak -3s ss reset timer is cozy and fluffy and cute
So it won't all be bad xd
spring bough
Do I level survival hunter or unholy DK
spring bough
I just realized I have 16 rogues on my 2nd account 😂
broken jewel
Guys I'm at home for holidays and internet is oof and can't play rated and nonrated horde is gg, and I can't punch the wall can't rage in front of babushka and dada that raised me , help , what do I do. I still want to play some pvp
forest salmon
Can you mog glaives as rogue or? or you just wield original that dropped?
gusty hedge
I just realized I have 16 rogues on my 2nd account 😂
4 MORE wont hurt 
gusty hedge
Can you mog glaives as rogue or? or you just wield original that dropped?
NO i Wish! original drop
Mastery Outlaw
rough rock
Do I level survival hunter or unholy DK
Honestly try frost, that’s my next one I wanna try I usually wait till 2nd season but it’s solid rn
vocal surge
molten hedge
10% global nerf after modifiers and everything it's probably a 16% damage loss i...
Where are you getting these numbers??
dark stump
seems like pala got grudge against lock
vocal surge
is that the rp rogue?
Ye
vocal surge
Aye
spring bough
seems like pala got grudge against lock
All locks should get targeted lmaoo
dark stump
All locks should get targeted lmaoo
well that lock ended 0-6 i don't think he ever pressed unending resolve
gleaming sentinel
I haven’t played many shuffles but they have all had a demo lock in them
lime oar
just have to get good at swapping mark with only DN
DN?
spring bough
I haven’t played many shuffles but they have all had a demo lock in them
Think ima actually level one lol
Diabolist just summon tons of demons and have infinite defensive and CC 😂
dark stump
I haven’t played many shuffles but they have all had a demo lock in them
it's either demo or destro but people prefer demo since even if he get focused his demon still hit
balmy shuttle
anyone of you guys doing pve? i want to upgrade my conquest gear with those champion tokens. how to farm those when you have 232ilvl in pve?
dark stump
Think ima actually level one lol
do it join us in this madness
u still have that sesame ?
gusty hedge
anyone of you guys doing pve? i want to upgrade my conquest gear with those cham...
MYTHIC + i think 3-5 or something or delves 7-9
lime oar
SWAPPING WITH ONLY DEEZ NUTS
what are your thoughts on this assa buff. maybe taking doom blade is worth
prob not
jaunty osprey
Bleed buffs are insane
mutilate, i’m unsure
maybe we can kill an earthgrab totem with 2 mutilates now instead of 6
balmy shuttle
MYTHIC + i think 3-5 or something or delves 7-9
delve 7-9 sounds like work lol. will people take m+ 3-5 with 232 itemlvl?
rough rock
mutilate, i’m unsure
Feel like the mutilate buffs is how arcane feels when they buff missiles
x% of 0 is still 0 lol
jolly sierra
cant even fucking loot it lol
gusty hedge
delve 7-9 sounds like work lol. will people take m+ 3-5 with 232 itemlvl?
if rogue its ez! trickster 60 min tricks or trade on valeera healer and its ez she tanks it all just aoe everything down and dnt get hit by moves
rough rock
anyone of you guys doing pve? i want to upgrade my conquest gear with those cham...
Doing the prey stuff let me upgrade 1 weapon to almost max
gusty hedge
even with low gear u can smash 11s
balmy shuttle
if rogue its ez! trickster 60 min tricks or trade on valeera healer and its ez ...
my boy dropping the cheat codes lmao
i think i will try that
spring bough
if rogue its ez! trickster 60 min tricks or trade on valeera healer and its ez ...
Cheat code fr
molten hedge
SWAPPING WITH ONLY DEEZ NUTS
balmy shuttle
legend banner/pennant rewards are now cloaks btw. kind of cool. at least better than being toys. i think this is new?
dark stump
whoever designed the cc rework and pala need to get life prison
in the same prison as p.diddy
vocal surge
Eating good after going up some CR
turbid dawn
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
shell bear
blizzard what i told u about giving me glaives w my ret
Do we go 2 set or 4 set in PvP ?
shell bear
Yeah sub. Just curious. Trying to figure out what to buy this week with conq
potent pivot
Legs
shell bear
Have 2 piece of tier and 2 piece pve heroic tier. So I have 4 piece minus chest. So I might craft a chest @potent pivot
potent pivot
Have 2 piece of tier and 2 piece pve heroic tier. So I have 4 piece minus chest....
Add PvP ilvl to the pve tier
shell bear
Think I’ll only have 915 conq so I’d only be able to add it to one and add the other next week?
potent pivot
Ye
shell bear
Ok bet
potent pivot
Do that
potent pivot
Ok bet
What PvE ilvl is it
If it’s 276 that isn’t too bad
Still gonna have to lacquer/varnish it at some point anyway tho
shell bear
Yeah was debating I I buy other conquest items and upgrade those eventually
potent pivot
Yeah was debating I I buy other conquest items and upgrade those eventually
It won’t really make a difference because either way you’re upgrading 276 pieces to 289
At least you know without a doubt that the tier pieces are bis
jolly sierra
Do we go 2 set or 4 set in PvP ?
why you ask me that lol
dark stump
blizzard what i told u about giving me glaives w my ret
u betrayer playing pala ?
jolly sierra
u betrayer playing pala ?
since DF
regal stream
I defected to Rogue from being a ret main for like 4 expansions in midnight, and I am honestly shocked by how much LESS hate I get now.
I always thought Rogues were the most despised, but apparently it was me all along.
Ret really pisses A LOT of people off in PVP.
potent pivot
I always thought Rogues were the most despised, but apparently it was me all alo...
Both of them get different types of hate
Rogue hated because of cc, pally hated because they have an answer to everything
And pally player population is just insane
Especially compared to rogue
fathom crag
u guys swapping deathstalker or what
potent pivot
u guys swapping deathstalker or what
Gonna try it at least yeah
Kalv said he’s gonna try it tonight as well
shell bear
why you ask me that lol
My b man. Thought it was a general message. Didn’t mean for it to be a reply to you haha
jolly sierra
My b man. Thought it was a general message. Didn’t mean for it to be a reply to ...
its fine its fine
lavish flint
confused about stats for sub rogue arena
potent pivot
confused about stats for sub rogue arena
!stats
lethal roostBOT
These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.
- Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
- Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush. - Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
Sub haste rating chart:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&
potent pivot
You want at minimum 200 haste, or the 600-700
gleaming pawn
y'all were musing that maybe 200 haste and full mastery was going to be better with the nerfs. Anyone really tested it yet?
olive sequoia
i got 65 haste
i did the haste build too but i honestly didn't see much of a difference so i just went full mastery
potent pivot
i got 65 haste <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
That’s just trolling ngl
potent pivot
y'all were musing that maybe 200 haste and full mastery was going to be better w...
Finishers keep getting nerfed so no telling but tbh both seem more than fine
outer sky
i did the haste build too but i honestly didn't see much of a difference so i ju...
0 reason to not run enough haste to get at least 1 extra dance global
The cost is so small
olive sequoia
0 reason to not run enough haste to get at least 1 extra dance global
I've thought about replacing some honor pieces with haste, but at this point I'm pretty locked into mastery with crafts and everything, unless i change all my gems and ring enchants but that's going to be pricey
outer sky
I've thought about replacing some honor pieces with haste, but at this point I'm...
I dont even understand how you have such little haste
Your insignia trinket alone should give you more than that
potent pivot
He’s probably running badge
stoic spruce
What'd you call me?
olive sequoia
i am running badge, i was following whaaz but he has switched to 15% haste now
i get 32 from shoulders and 33 from gloves
i also must point out i am not following the gearing guide at all, but i am also not good enough for like 2k+ so i figure it doesn't really matter all that much than
then*
potent pivot
i am running badge, i was following whaaz but he has switched to 15% haste now <...
If one of his rogues shows 15% on websites that’s actually 20% in pvp
outer sky
He’s probably running badge
Unless its a conquest badge it would still have haste
Both honor trinkets are haste
olive sequoia
i know, but he was full vers mastery before on the one i was following
potent pivot
i know, but he was full vers mastery before on the one i was following
Ye just prio getting bare minimum 100-200 haste
Otherwise you’re completely wasting a talent point with deepening shadows
And it’s one of the strongest talents we have
olive sequoia
yeah, I'll see about switching some honor pieces to haste and crafting some new ones, I am also running conq badge
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/groinsalami/ that's my current setup
severe helm
i am running badge, i was following whaaz but he has switched to 15% haste now <...
Yeup haste is good
olive sequoia
ok getting 200 haste was easier than i thought, i just replaced 2 pieces
potent pivot
ok getting 200 haste was easier than i thought, i just replaced 2 pieces
Ye it’s very low cost
terse cedar
How do I know who to target as sub with with a destro lock in 3v3? Ive heard rogue allows them to cast a ton more due to our CC, how can I understand who I should be going on and CCing though?
outer sky
How do I know who to target as sub with with a destro lock in 3v3? Ive heard rog...
Its extremely situational
theres really no set rule
rough rock
Does shadowmeld work if you use it while a hunters rapid fire is already launching at you? Like will it mitigate the damage?
novel terrace
what are we doing statwise? seems people have dropped the haste and going near full mast/vers
potent pivot
what are we doing statwise? seems people have dropped the haste and going near f...
Bare minimum haste breakpoint is 200, but you can still run 600-700 just fine
novel terrace
Yea I’m at 700
spring bough
sub 😭
rough rock
once i get weap illusion ill go back 
dark stump
once i get weap illusion ill go back <:gooned:1481437229191532747>
u won but at what cost
rough rock
u won but at what cost
by having two rets the next game that made me lose that rating :D
dark stump
by having two rets the next game that made me lose that rating :D
u lost because some blizzard dev main pala
the fact that just being with a pala ret make u able to survive any burst
rough rock
felt like i could do nothing against dk/ret and ret/ret
dark stump
felt like i could do nothing against dk/ret and ret/ret
against dk maybe but against double ret
i would believe more in humanity than you winning this
(this is a joke obviously i would never believe in humanity)
rough rock
dark kernel
whats the working fatebound Outlaw build rn?
outer sky
whats the working fatebound Outlaw build rn?
There isn't a working outlaw build rn
dark kernel
There isn't a working outlaw build rn
you know what I mean, the closest wroking one we've found
rough rock
whats the working fatebound Outlaw build rn?
potent pivot
you know what I mean, the closest wroking one we've found
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potent pivot
pretty sure that import i linked is that same build
potent pivot
i'm kinda surprised ppl aren't running Deadly Pursuit
keeps CDs cooling down faster even if you get CC'd right
rough rock
i mean your basically putting yourself in a 4 sec stun lmao
stoic spruce
It doesn't actually do anything
potent pivot
i mean your basically putting yourself in a 4 sec stun lmao
you don't purposely just stop
potent pivot
tru
kinda crazy how surv is just outlaw rogue with a pet now
they even gave it killing spree
and 1 handers
dark kernel
ty
vocal surge
felt like i could do nothing against dk/ret and ret/ret
smh sub rogue
proven field
grim atlas
https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/shuffle look how many rogues there is, and they nerf sub rogue in pvp also sub rogue is one of the fewest specc in pvp, instead of boosting ppl to experience more of it they nerfed it...
i believe we were completely ok before shadow damage nerf.
severe helm
https://drustvar.com/leaderboard/shuffle look how many rogues there is, and they...
the fuck you on about
subs insanely popular
nerf sub
needs more
in 3s
and shuffle
and blitz
its literally one of the most common specs in the game
in pvp
rn
stoic spruce
Doesn't matter mewo
Sub rogues are just R1 victims
No amount of convincing will tell them otherwise
stoic spruce
People look at sub rogue the same way people do rets
Only difference is sub doesn't understand that
severe helm
Only difference is sub doesn't understand that
tru
dark stump
so 22% of ss players are brainless
in a ss let's we're 2 melee against fire and lock who do we prio target?
vague latch
doesn't that just come down to not getting stunlocked out of damage windows
stoic spruce
so 22% of ss players are brainless
Wayyyyy higher
Let's be real, its every match there's always 1
vague latch
be the caster eat all the cds
stoic spruce
Mmmm CDs nom nom nom
severe helm
so 22% of ss players are brainless
37%
vague latch
oh yeah i got an outplay player today at 1400
dark stump
sub player are brainless ? why ?