pvp

[sharp sierra]

they always give in the whiners

[gleaming sentinel]

outlaw all the way, nerf me to the ground idc

[potent pivot]

I don’t think that many people are still complaining about sub

And a lot of rogues have been playing ww already too

[sharp sierra]

you dont think we'll see nerfs tonight?

[potent pivot]

I mean anything is possible but I think it’s less likely than before

[sharp sierra]

i see. well we will find out in about 4 hours

[potent pivot]

MW and WW are the main things that still seem problematic rn

[sharp sierra]

Frost mages, RET, ww, and MM need nerfs imo

at least 10%

[potent pivot]

I doubt ret gets nerfed

[sharp sierra]

unfortuantely

[potent pivot]

[gleaming sentinel]

meanwhile i just rage logged out because i got decline from keys for like 2 hours straight

[sleek belfry]

2800 blitz lobby and half my team walks out of the wrong gate on ssm

xD

[sharp sierra]

blitz is a joke

3k rating in blitz is like 1400 in 3s

same as shuffle. 2k in shuffle is prob 1k mmr in 3s

lol

rating means nothing in this game

not what it used to be

unless youre in the top 1% (R1), most glads are trash

im super trash in case you ask so yea

[maiden gull]

sub needs more cd on shadow dance

thats it

5 secs or 10

[sharp sierra]

even a minute cooldown for recharge is fine

[maiden gull]

only thing they might change

imho

[sleek belfry]

i just want duel back

[sharp sierra]

what sucks is most rogues aren't taking the free dagger weapons from conq lol cause they're crit

just waiting to craft the mastery ones

[potent pivot]

what

[sharp sierra]

conq daggers are crit

which is dog shit

[potent pivot]

anyone not taking them is dumb af

[sharp sierra]

i've seen quite a few with out them and refusing to pick them up

[potent pivot]

well they are dumb lmao

[sharp sierra]

lol

[potent pivot]

ilvl on mainhand is the biggest dps increase you can get from gear in the game

[sharp sierra]

yea but isn't it like only 10 ilevels

between honor and conq

[potent pivot]

13

its still massive

compared to anything else you can do

doesn't matter that they're crit

[sharp sierra]

blizzard does it all the time and once uncapped, everyone goes crafting mastery

[potent pivot]

sure

but thats the last upgrade that should be done realistically speaking

[sharp sierra]

fair enough.

[potent pivot]

people worry way too much about secondary stats in pvp

[sharp sierra]

im shit at rogue (hard stuck @ 1500 right now)

so yea

[potent pivot]

like people that buy mace offhand

are also just actively nerfing themselves

[sharp sierra]

ah

i want outlaw to be viable one day

maybe

lol

[spring bough]

Time for an alt for keys

[gleaming sentinel]

Idk I’m just not feeling this expac bro. I log in and just log out alll the time lol

[spring bough]

PvP been up and down not gonna lie

Takes even a minute to get invited as DH for keys so many damn dps out there

[queen geyser]

Get Flawless Form stacks or Lucky Coin depending on hero spec while holding BTE for Zero In stacks then ADR for Supercharger and send

Bonus: Talent Ruthlessness and 4/4 Apex, get Gravedigger stacks at the same time for a follow-up shot next global (won't hit as hard without Zero In but still, more teeth)

[potent pivot]

Idk if I even see this happening now tbh

After what they said in the last notes

[gusty hedge]

id still push for supercharger to be put on shadowblades for sub , kingsbade supercharger for sin(i think) min 30 or 1min cd, adrenaline rush for outlaw 3min cd(1.5 +if u can send multi finishers)
would balance out the Pressure still have there mini burst and Full burst with shadowblades

[maiden gull]

or just give it outlaw on bladerush

or rtb

makes no sense

[gusty hedge]

it used to be on Rtb but the forum andies complained so hard, now with the rtb rework i guess they decided it was better on adr, but its worse

[maiden gull]

so stupid

fucking pve players

just got in a lobby vs ret, arms and Bm as outlaw

no chance

cant do anything

its so awful

[gusty hedge]

when it was on Roll the bones it really didnt matter if u got a 1 buff or 2, u just kept rerolling! only held if 4 or more buffs,, with Resteless blades cdr it's equivalent to subs shadowdance Supercharger ever 20 secs

had consistent pressure from dispatch/ bte supercharger

[maiden gull]

i didnt play tww but sounds fun

outlaw rn is a meme

you can try the gimmick oneshot

or bust

[gusty hedge]

at first it seemed doom and gloom but it picked up right away tbh, Best Iteration of outlaw Imo
fluid gameplay consistent pressure and decent/ top control, the buff to 5 rolls and ace refund nerf revert made it nice even after restelessblades nerf, Felt good to play

[maiden gull]

sounds awesome

why did they need to change everything

[gusty hedge]

ima try that on one of my rogues gonna zug/ lean on more crit /vers/haste, just to see

[maiden gull]

i play it with crit

[gusty hedge]

Blizzard hates outlaw 100%

[balmy shuttle]

as always: PvE

[maiden gull]

funny thing

its bad in pve to

b tier at most

lol

people will always copmplain

[gusty hedge]

its decent from what i see, but the target capp for outlaw is dumb, they cant seem to balance the damage from bladeflurry

[gusty hedge]

always is
you still have those people that say Outlaw is a pve spec pretty much fucked there too

[maiden gull]

yeah, outlaw was fun in DF and Shadowlands asell

i cant enjoy any other spec tbh

so i just need to cancel my sub

survival is ass aswell

4 out of 5 talents in last row are´nt even used 😄

[balmy shuttle]

tbh, I think the Blizzard devs think so too. to them sub is the iconic PvP spec

[gusty hedge]

i felt like this TBH at first, was so over the game,
got sucked into the sub train, still not as fun as outlaw! but the extra cheap and the 20s goes feels almost like crackshot tww, thats how i play it now when ever im on sub

[maiden gull]

5 sec less cd on BTE lmao

sub is boring, but thats just my take

[gusty hedge]

Facts its sad😭
we know sub is king of pvp and king of 1v1 in most situations but dont sleep on the other 2 specs

[gusty hedge]

that capstone is a joke. liek why

[balmy shuttle]

I think they had to stop working on the outlaw-rework and just band-aid implemented some talents

probably some devs got shufflered around or smth

[maiden gull]

feels like it

i heard that the ROgue dev is no longer at blizzard

[gusty hedge]

i still find it crazy, they randomly reworked killing spree cuz the forum boyz, then nerfed it into the ground on top of its long cd! Shit was short lived

[maiden gull]

the class feels half assed all around

half of the talents seem like a palceholder

[willow tartan]

wat, which macro

[balmy shuttle]

The rework was decent for as long as it did damage. I still don't understand why they slapped -40% damage on it before Midnight

[willow tartan]

i'm outlaw only aswell, but currently rethinking my lifechoices lol

[gusty hedge]

nerfed ambush damage too so audacity build is useless to take

hidden op

[balmy shuttle]

yeah, that's why I think they had to stop working on it half-way. nobody with 2 brain cells would leave something like audacity + hidden opportunity in the state they are currently in

[outer sky]

What? People are giving up 13 ilvls worth of main stat and weapon dps just to have mastery/vers instead of crit/vers?

[gusty hedge]

we have two auto attack node talents like why?!
random capstones, def prolly trying to rework it and gave up

[willow tartan]

vers/haste is still the best outlaw stats right?

[gusty hedge]

yeah with some crit

20% or more haste is good 20% min u want for adr

[willow tartan]

i see

thanks a lot!

and there's a macro I should know about as outlaw?

[maiden gull]

i think full crit is much better tbh

[gusty hedge]

just your standard focus macros

[gusty hedge]

im gonna try 2 crit/vers rings/1 haste neck go for 15% haste or less on one rogue to see how it feels, without goin to far into crit dr(even tho its nerfed) would make the zero ins proc to 20 faster for those bte hits! without losing too much haste/attack speed

double dps trinket for the fun of it badge/ alacrity pop badge on 20 stacks

would be running 2 tier set

[quick temple]

does Killing Spree count as a combo point generating abilitiy?

fir like lethality

[maiden gull]

i tried both

full cirt is better

[gusty hedge]

it generates combo points but its a finisher

[willow tartan]

while I can find a bunch of "guides" / talent trees for sub, there's almost nothing for outlaw tbh - icyveins says one should go for prep, but tbh prep feels pretty bad to me rn

[maiden gull]

no

[gusty hedge]

yeah Icey veins doesnt have any good guides for pvp imo, most of their stuff seems odd down to their builds / gameplay they try to have people follow

[willow tartan]

are you rocking killing spree?

[gusty hedge]

its nerfed so bad i dont use it ! maybe for trickster but most of my rogues not running it

[maiden gull]

i tried both on target dummy, with 10 haste and rest crit it feels much better

KS is a Meme

its so bad

dont even think about using it

they could buff the damage by 100% still would be shit

[gusty hedge]

gonna summon popo with those words

[maiden gull]

give me old KS back

for root break

[balmy shuttle]

if they buffed by 100% you would pick it 100% of the time

[gusty hedge]

old ks was goated! staggering damage u can cloak off too

[maiden gull]

vs pets

[gusty hedge]

if they had ks like it was in s3 tww id pick 100%

insta trinkets + defensives from enemy

[potent pivot]

What

[maiden gull]

you get much faster stacks for zero in

but i play with supercahrger for the big crits

hit a mage for 250k yesterday

[potent pivot]

Outlaw without haste sound incredibly troll

[maiden gull]

but i dont post it so it doesnt get nerfed

it isnt

whole spec revolves around crit

[potent pivot]

🧢

[gusty hedge]

[maiden gull]

haste for 10% less dr while AR is up

if you dont crit with bte you dont have any damage

[potent pivot]

Haste for shorter gcd is insane

[maiden gull]

last game vs shaman

shorter gcd to hit like a noodle

[potent pivot]

Nah lmao

[maiden gull]

10% haste doesnt change anything

i tested it

if you want burst go crit with outlaw

[potent pivot]

It 100% changes things

[willow tartan]

LOL that sounds nice, are you using prep to reset bte for a big burst window?

[maiden gull]

on demand yes

6 stacks for dopuble btw and 10+ zero in procs

if both crit its 250k+ instant damge

i hit hunters for 200k

and if someone has low hp just prep and AR + BtE

no one expects the damage its quite fun

but all the other stuff on outlaw just feels bad

[willow tartan]

mind i ask what talent trees you're using? currently standing in front of the conquest vendor - going crit heavy with this in mind sounds pretty fun

[willow tartan]

thanks a bunch!

[potent pivot]

I cannot recommend hard enough that you do your own due diligence before listening to any of this

[maiden gull]

😄

[potent pivot]

Everyone that knows outlaw runs 20% haste

[maiden gull]

yeah yeah

[balmy shuttle]

go full crit and you will be rank 1 in no time!

[maiden gull]

because streamers say so

[potent pivot]

Nah

[maiden gull]

its about fun, and this build is 100% more fun

10% moire haste change nothing

you never have energy problems

[wintry dew]

i dont think its about the energy

[maiden gull]

0.1 less gcd duriong AR

[potent pivot]

It’s not about energy

[maiden gull]

pointless

i know

but just play it and then you can talk, you need zero in procs

you double tap people if both bte crits, thats what the buld is about

and therefore you need crit

[potent pivot]

It adds up

[maiden gull]

if you use coldblood go haste

[quick temple]

haste doesnt decrease gcd for energy classes

[potent pivot]

Lol…

[quick temple]

if u mean adr you need 22% haste for the .8s gcd tho i guess

[quick temple]

?

[potent pivot]

Do we really think it was necessary to say that?

Genuinely

[quick temple]

?

[potent pivot]

???

You actually thought that I just didn’t know that?

That’s insane comms

[maiden gull]

what im asking myself

where is it stated in game 😄

[sharp sierra]

Rogue

Subtlety
    Developers’ notes: Subtlety has continued to be a strong asset to a team, with its frequent burst and strong crowd control. We’ve finally found the perfect balance for this tuning round to bring them in line with the utility kit.
    Sub rogues have been removed from the game. For compensation, we are providing a free 80 enhanced boost

lol

[gusty hedge]

Crazy !! im just here watching like

[scarlet nest]

I've played a couple shuffles on outlaw since getting a bunch more haste and I feel like I've got zero pressure going on, is that normal lol

new to rogue this szn

[sharp sierra]

im praying to the wow gods for SIN rogue buffs

pray with me

[gusty hedge]

thats how it feels ! leather warrior lacking damage and defensives! , send Bladerush on cd stack ur gravedigger to min 6 for double bte shots

send as many dispatches u can during adr stacking ur hidden bullets, send Bte if u can before adr runs out for a decent hit if 6+

[potent pivot]

Yeah I mean I can’t argue with something being more “fun” but damn lol

[maiden gull]

People just need to train you and thats it as outlaw

yopu have one vaniosh

one evasion one cloak

on 2 mins

if they are gone u are dead

cant even outheal the dps

its just bad

[quick temple]

vanish dont even save you since lol 1.5s then you're bareass naked again

[maiden gull]

double meele just trains you down

no chance

i played at 1900 cr

no chance vs good people

outlaw is the worst melee spec rn by far

[scarlet nest]

ight pressin my reroll to sub button

thanks gang lol

[maiden gull]

even feint pvp talent is worse on outlaw than on sub and assa

makes no fucking sense

[quick temple]

i think they'll buff blade flurry and call it a day for OL pvp

[maiden gull]

12.1 maybe

[quick temple]

i remember when they did that in shadowlands, aura buffed it hard

[maiden gull]

but until then justplay something else

[quick temple]

just throwin darts at a board

[maiden gull]

the rog dev who made outlaw in DF and TWW doesnt work for blizz anymore

and you can clearly see that

[quick temple]

i think there are just combat devs tbh, like they're prob aware of the spec's issues just dunno which direction to go

[sharp sierra]

outlaw needs to be removed

[maiden gull]

there was a dev who made rog and dh

[sharp sierra]

its been the worst spect since ever

[quick temple]

since cdr was a big prob, but now that they've taken everything defensively off they dunno what to do lol

[sharp sierra]

even enhance was never this bad

[potent pivot]

Cap

[maiden gull]

or he is doin something else at blizzard

[potent pivot]

I love how people just say things when they have no idea

[gleaming pawn]

I would have been hit with it a time or two, but man I wish we had timeouts for pants on head stupid

[maiden gull]

i think he is calle realz or smth?=

was here on the discord in DF

[jaunty osprey]

Realz is the goat

[warped gate]

Me lurking and reading all this like:

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hanma-yujiro-yujiro-laugh-yujiro-hanma-laugh-gif-25038383

[potent pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/yelena-armin-aot-gif-24565934

Me when I see misinformation on the internet

[pastel burrow]

truly one of the ai images of all time

[quick temple]

ayo

what a sad day to have eyes

[sharp sierra]

haha

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker <-- watching like a hawk for next 2h for tuning post

lol

[warped gate]

Awww hell nah!

[warped gate]

Yeah, I'm waiting for it as well.

[sharp sierra]

yea same

[warped gate]

"We feel Outlaw is underperforming but instead of overbuffing and then overnerfing to compensate, we're just skipping to the overnerfing. Just play Sub, what the fuck is wrong with you? Seriously?```

[sharp sierra]

loooool

[potent pivot]

Outlaw as a spec is just dead and gone to me now ngl

CDR nerf after CDR nerf into outright CDR removals into CDR removals

[gleaming sentinel]

dragonflight classic when

[potent pivot]

Shadowlands when

Give me back Kyrian Shadowdust and Venthyr blunderbuss

[pastel burrow]

give me back vanish Cdr sub 🤤

df S3 - tww S1 was the best of times in PvP and pve

[sharp sierra]

shadow dance needs to be on a 1 minute cd but have a 1 minute duration

whos with me

👀

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

lol

[potent pivot]

Make Dance 30sec CD and make it 10sec duration. Then double hasted effect from Deepening Shadows

[sharp sierra]

im ok with that

[potent pivot]

So Dance would be 14sec duration with 600 haste

But slightly less cheap shots/superchargers will effect sub in a massive way

Another reason I don’t see them changing Dance CD is because of pve

Everything finally lines up decently in pve afaik, they would all be pissed if it was changed

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-crying-gif-11917699240308028632

[dark kernel]

This is exactly my thoughts. They would break the entire build

So if they do Nerf sub they're just going to Nerf a lot of damage

PVP only of course

[rough rock]

arent you guy who dooms in every discord

[full sundial]

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/meta-he-man-gif-18307892505660588234

[sharp sierra]

living in peoples head rent free feels awesome

[full sundial]

I don’t think you’re living in anybody’s head rentfree li’l bro I think everybody’s laughing their ass off at this

[sharp sierra]

whatever makes you sleep at night

[full sundial]

[dark kernel]

My little baby

You're here. Let daddy breastfeed u

[outer sky]

Should be seeing tuning notes here in the next hour or so

[sharp sierra]

yep

[frozen walrus]

I doubt there will be tuning

[outer sky]

There will be. They already scheduled it

[gilded gulch]

Truly a philosopher.

[frozen walrus]

Did they?

Are they announcing it today you think?

[gilded gulch]

He's like the guys who shit talk pro athletes

While not being able to run a mile.

[outer sky]

Yes its always the Friday before reset

[potent pivot]

As long as he hasn’t been outright insulting or ragebaiting it’s w/e

Aaand he gets filtered as I type this

[sharp sierra]

lol

[gilded gulch]

I find it crazy if you don't even care for rated and care about balancing that much.

[outer sky]

Ive been busy all day. Is this another troll who joined the discord just to ragebait us and complain?

[gilded gulch]

Fotm bg andy is a crazy thing to go on.

[potent pivot]

I don’t think so

[full sundial]

Lets be real unless you’re the most important neuron in the rank 1 team brain you’re trash

[potent pivot]

Not ALWAYS

[gilded gulch]

Ret feels ass post nerf
ret needs a nerf

[potent pivot]

The recent tuning posts were announced over a month ago

[gilded gulch]

So which is it

[outer sky]

True sometimes its monday. But its most often Friday and its been Friday every pass this xpac so id be surprised if it wasnt tonight

[full sundial]

Schrodingers buffs fr

[lime oar]

openly saying you only play fotm is bold

[gilded gulch]

I remember when being casual meant you just played whatever you found fun.

and didnt care how it did

[outer sky]

There's no shot anyone is cooked enough to actually think this second comment

[lime oar]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[sharp sierra]

im living in a mansion rent free

[outer sky]

The "rent free" cliche doesn't make you look any better for being an obvious troll

[gilded gulch]

rent free would be posting once and letting it simmer freelo

[outer sky]

Really though

[gilded gulch]

Not ranting about balancing in multiple class discords

[outer sky]

If youre posting this much youre paying rent and utilities and probably not getting your security deposit back

[gilded gulch]

Post one controversial statement on twitter and watch people write entire essays arguing with one another.

Is real trolling

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-rent-free-rentfree-paying-rent-hate-gif-11049964319902154681

[outer sky]

Masters of their craft

[lime oar]

basement dwelling behavior fr

https://tenor.com/view/ahaha-no-haha-selfie-funny-gif-13893890

[vague latch]

okay but turn weak auras on after the mid season .5 patch

big brain 🧠

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-haha-haha-stupid-gif-18352447936202430144

[full sundial]

Lets just make everything do 0% damage and we just look cool slapping tf out of each other

[proven field]

I don’t think anyone wins when your dad breastfeeds you

[outer sky]

Honestly with how much people bitch about CC and "burst" in this game, lets just put every CC on the same DR but make it so youre immune to all damage while in CC. And if at any point you take damage that would kill you, instantly get a full health heal unless your healer is completely OOM.

There. The meta everybody wants. No more dying in CC and every game comes down to mana.

[full sundial]

45 min draws incoming baby lets gooooooo

[proven field]

A global DR would feel soooo nice - the work to ever balance the game around it would be impossible

You would die so often in pugs too lol

[outer sky]

The furthest id ever go with that idea is 5 DRs.

Stuns
Disarms
Silences
Roots
Everything else

But even then

No thanks

DRs are fine as they are

In terms of schools

[proven field]

You would have to basically make arena an “arcade mode” to even try to justify it because you’d have to dumb down burst and healing and mobility

[outer sky]

Yeah not worth

Age old mechanic better not to fuck with it

MAYBE something like fears and "horrifies" on the same DR

But then every warlock would quit the game

[proven field]

Roots and slows even

[dark kernel]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oscars-academy-awards-oscars-1980-l3q30VWomthMJw9Co

[terse cedar]

You guys think its reasonable for a new player to aim for glad? is it possible?

[potent pivot]

Would probably set my sights on getting it in season 2 or 3

Just being realistic

[lime oar]

depends if youre a freak at competitive games or not

[potent pivot]

If you’re just instantly really insane at the game it’s possible to get in 1 season but

WoW pvp is the most knowledge gapped pvp game in the world

[terse cedar]

Ive been struggling with knowledge, people just know everything and I seem to struggle to find even simple things such as what comps actaully work well

When asking good players I recieve "people just know good comps from the what comps have always been good in wow"

[potent pivot]

Watch a bunch of skillcapped on youtube

Even a lot of the older vids can still hold true depending on the context

Like a lot of little things change between expansions/seasons

So it’s an ever evolving environment

[lime oar]

read this discord all day. youll pick up on things over time. and yeah watch yt, a lot of the fundamental stuff still applies just not rotational stuff

[terse cedar]

I see, okay, thanks, played some other games at a decent level and skillcapped on those have always been shaky information/poor, so ive been avoiding them in wow

[dark kernel]

Just know I'm like the 50th best player here and I give a LOT of unsolicited advice.n

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-wo-w-undead-gnome-horde-gif-14842714

[proven field]

To put in perspective glad is like top 99.9% of ladder statistically so, it’s a lofty goal

[potent pivot]

Would only use skillcapped as a resource to learn other class abilities.

[spring bough]

That gif so disturbing 😭

[potent pivot]

Not for gear/talents/etc

[terse cedar]

well no reason to aim for something small

[potent pivot]

They make decent tip vids

[lime oar]

are there any rogue yt guides that exist where they strictly talk mentality and strat rather than the typical talents, stats, etc etc

10x more useful for new players

[proven field]

Sure, and it’s not impossible, but nearly everyone can’t get there after 2…5…20 years playing, so it’s a lot to both learn the entire game and also be natively better than nearly everyone

Most people I’ve seen who climb quick were already awesome in other games and are just great gamers

[lime oar]

just watch some vods id say

[outer sky]

The actual answer is it depends on the season. A new player 100000% could have gotten glad in a season like Unchained. But MOST seasons its probably a bit ambitious. 3-4 seasons of playing is probably more realistic

[potent pivot]

Yes and no. There’s some that go over certain/broad things, but to do that every season for every situation would be kinda impossible I think

[dark kernel]

I stole it from someone in here because it's so good

[terse cedar]

Ill try to find some videos which go over strategy, most of the guides I've seen have been general rotation and build, but those aren't exactly the most useful for improving

Also could be wrong but rogue seems to be a pretty high skill ceiling class to play?

[outer sky]

More than most but every class has been dumbed down a good bit recently

If you want the path of least resistance you play ret paladin. Or even something like BM hunter thats got Unkitable AI doing 99% of your damage for you even while you sit CC

[proven field]

Pika used to do a good job of explaining his moves while he played - fairly detailed and quick in the moment analysis…

[terse cedar]

I heard hes basically the goat, ive been watching some of his old stuff and alot of kalvish

[outer sky]

Theyre both extremely good

[dark kernel]

Pica and calvish are very good but very hard to follow unless you're quick. I really struggle with Kalvish

Nahj is th easiest he's very methodical

[proven field]

Pika is very quick and well spoken and he basically talks his strats to himself while playing so you learn a lot

[dark kernel]

We should be getting pending patch notes any minute

It's 5:00 p.m. now west coast

[outer sky]

But doesn't he not even stream real games anymore? Like idk how much someone who want to push glad is going to learn from listening to Pika talk out his strategy for 1v2ing a team at 1500mmr in 2s

[terse cedar]

this is by far best place ive spoken in regarding wow, you people genuinly are 10/10, ive tried some other places and class discords and its just been dead

[sharp sierra]

ive seen them as late as 10 pm est

[dark kernel]

I'm so glad you're back kitten I was worried

[outer sky]

I also do free vod reviews if you ever wanted to send me some recordings of your games. I go second by second and even provide time stamps in my feedback

[dark kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-pwincess-smile-discord-daddy-gif-1866345235930423764

[sharp sierra]

thanks baby cakes

[terse cedar]

I appreciate it, I do wonder why you do so much for others if its free though? seems too kind 🤣

[outer sky]

More people winning as yellow class=more people playing yellow class=more fucks blizzard will give about yellow class

[lime oar]

rog disc in general is goated

[outer sky]

Plus im just a nice guy

[terse cedar]

I can tell, this place is actually insanely good

[outer sky]

Who remembers the frustration of starting out

[sharp sierra]

so do you guys consider pika to be the best rogue in the world

[terse cedar]

Ive played wow on and off in the past, played shadowlands for about a week with my friend as it released as he loves the game, then played abit of war within with the same guy again for short period, but midnight is genuinly fun asf for me and actually makes me wanna play a ton when I can

[sharp sierra]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-–-april-7/2285930

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-gif-4115569673926897153

[sharp sierra]

and sub nerfed

god damn it

[lime oar]

HOLYYY

MUTE STONKS

strange

[jaunty osprey]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/us-en/2285930-class-tuning-incoming-april-7/

LFGGG

[sharp sierra]

is that a big nerf

[molten hedge]

Nerf?

Buff to sub trickster

[gusty hedge]

Outlaw buffed in pvp nerfed in pve

[molten hedge]

Shit

I read that wrong

Trickster nerf gg

[sharp sierra]

10% loss

[gusty hedge]

2%

[sharp sierra]

shiiiiit

[dark kernel]

Ehh probably about 5% overall damage nerf

[sharp sierra]

ya max 5 stacks

[outer sky]

ah shit

[dark kernel]

It's 2% nerf per stack

[sharp sierra]

not good

huge

[dark kernel]

So 5% damage on average. If this is the last nerf we get this is fine

[sharp sierra]

10%

not 5

[gusty hedge]

menacing rush nerfed 10%

[outer sky]

Not all of our damage is finishers

[dark kernel]

The effect is already at 50% coefficient in pvp

That's why I say 5%

[warped gate]

aWWWW SHIT

[sharp sierra]

yea but eviscerate took a chunk from it

[warped gate]

I want time to read.

[gusty hedge]

#pvp message

done

[jaunty osprey]

Good morning assa rogue players

[lime oar]

@jaunty osprey letsgoooo

[stoic spruce]

Wtf are these notes...

[outer sky]

of all the things to buff lmao

[proven field]

But yeah fair, but tbh I don’t think you’ll learn much watching vs just launching into game after game and maybe making a few alts to better understand specs you struggle against

[potent pivot]

Stun bot

[stoic spruce]

@potent pivot you thought I was kidding about my nerfing BF

[warped gate]

Okay, like.. I'm glad we're getting some buffs but:

[sharp sierra]

we need the rogue pros to calculate how bad the trickster nerf is

[warped gate]

They genuinely think they gotta give compensation nerfs to stop us from becoming OP?

[outer sky]

this nerf i think is worse than the last one

[warped gate]

We're literally at the bottom, only ahead of Augmentation, an abandoned spec.

[outer sky]

You may be right this time

[potent pivot]

I’ve been right the entire time

[warped gate]

But I'll take a 12% damage increase though.

[potent pivot]

I knew it would just continue until we were stun bots

[outer sky]

I agreed with that.

[stoic spruce]

Rightful place

[potent pivot]

Ik

[gusty hedge]

kek

[stoic spruce]

Theyre like a child that all of a sudden doesn't like food but the child is blizz and the food is cleave

[warped gate]

bur

[molten hedge]

Very true

[sharp sierra]

someone tell me this wont kill sub burst

[outer sky]

its like a 5 or 6% overall damage nerf

[gusty hedge]

[outer sky]

10% to finishers

at max stacks

[sharp sierra]

so bad

[gusty hedge]

not that bad

[proven field]

Wait wait that 5% bleed buff does not have the PvP content - that’s all forms isn’t it

[molten hedge]

And since we don’t have any addon to track buff uptime it’s hard to know lol

It may be less

[outer sky]

the base UI Cooldown manager tracks it

[molten hedge]

Overall at least

[outer sky]

yeah you dont have max stacks all the time

[molten hedge]

I’m saying like total uptime in a game

[outer sky]

oh yeah

[warped gate]

At the same time, it's a 10% nerf on ADR, so during our burst, it's like a 2% buff. :c

[molten hedge]

I would never want an advantage though so pls strike that from the record

[potent pivot]

It’s prolly more

Uptime is very high

[proven field]

5% to rupture and garrote, 180% to mut… I am ok with all of that - our ticks gonna get crazy

[outer sky]

if you had 5 stacks the entire game this would be a 10% finisher damage nerf

[potent pivot]

Ye

[outer sky]

so it cant possibly be a 10% overall nerf

[sharp sierra]

notrickz youre the expert

is burst still gonna be a thing in pvp

[potent pivot]

[sharp sierra]

lol

[outer sky]

I still think sub is going to be good and not fully a "stun bot" but we're definitely getting there

[stoic spruce]

If you don't 1 shot it doesn't matter

In general

[molten hedge]

Agree

[stoic spruce]

Not rogue

[outer sky]

What I'm REALLY confused about is this

[molten hedge]

So is haste even moreso the move now

[outer sky]

did Outlaw really need a nerf of any kind?

[molten hedge]

I was just ab to gear a mast sub

To test

[rough rock]

bro what

INSANE

[stoic spruce]

The worst part is that's going to be there forever

[outer sky]

yeah itll never be reverted

[gusty hedge]

they do that to outlaw all the time. give a small buff but also nerf at the same time

[final dew]

man, just got off work, long ass day, excited to play wow while kids are away:

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-randy-marsh-south-park-s11e9-season11episode09more-crap-episode9-gif-21167997

[warped gate]

[steady grail]

reroll assa KEK

[terse cedar]

All this negativity making me feel like it was a mistake to gear as sub instead of assa 💀

[potent pivot]

Did they at least nerf ww????

[outer sky]

yes

[molten hedge]

Only one I took a pic of LOL

Not enh tho

[potent pivot]

Thank god

Let’s nerf sub every week of the season guys !!!!!!!!!

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't even say we were reliant on adr, it's just you needed godlike rng on top of menacing to have kill pressure

[outer sky]

LMAO arms warrior nerfs what

[stoic spruce]

WW was overshadowing how busted arms was

You talk about arms and you get "but it's not as strong as WW"

[outer sky]

these are not small nerfs

i agree it was strong but idk about this

[sharp sierra]

arms got destroyed

[stoic spruce]

They may have just killed the tree tbh

[sharp sierra]

lol

[outer sky]

I think so

idk why they do this

[rough rock]

this is so mean to them ngl i feel like theyve been getting cucked since DF

[potent pivot]

Buck Flizzart

Did they nerf ret or enh

[gleaming sentinel]

yea im unsubbing

what a fucking joke

hey we want you to have the same dmg profile as before but not the same control

[stoic spruce]

Buffed actually

In pve*

No changes in pvp

[potent pivot]

What a joke

[outer sky]

@gleaming sentinel @rough rock there's more buffs

i just dont think

it needed any nerfs

at all

to offset the buffs

[stoic spruce]

I was talking to somebody here the other day that didn't believe this would happen

[gleaming sentinel]

we had a dps cooldown for 45seconds

UNDERHANDED BRAWLER BOYS

[spring bough]

Devourer got buffed 🔥

[outer sky]

what?

[molten hedge]

Sorry. You had ur fun in prepatch (when u weren’t playing)

[gusty hedge]

class channels are dooming sub/law idk what sin is on tho

[sharp sierra]

i wonder if the other hero tree will be better for sub now

[potent pivot]

Ima crash out

[outer sky]

Not until 12.0.5

[stoic spruce]

Lole

[outer sky]

right now you cant swap your mark

[potent pivot]

The other one is just aids as fuck to play

[sharp sierra]

i see

so stun bots

lol

sadge

[gusty hedge]

time for a shut down

[outer sky]

Ok lets ground this a bit. its 10% finisher damage nerf at max stacks. We dont always have max stacks. And not all of our damage is finisher damage. So really how much less damage will we be doing?

[potent pivot]

Closer and closer to that every week

[stoic spruce]

WtB new joke

[outer sky]

This was their last scheduled tuning pass

we may be safe for a while

[potent pivot]

Realistically speaking to overall dps prolly 5-6% but like 8-9% to burst windows

[sharp sierra]

thats not that bad

[molten hedge]

It wouldn’t be if they hadn’t nerfed sub the other 3 weeks

Lol

[potent pivot]

I’m just sick of seeing nerfs every week

All of them stack up

[sharp sierra]

yea

[molten hedge]

Hear me out

I just play DS full mast and train one person into the ground

[potent pivot]

Even if we say fuck it and go DS they will just nerf it too

[molten hedge]

Bruh

[potent pivot]

You can swap marks

[molten hedge]

Don’t pre what I was gonna say

[potent pivot]

But ONLY through DN

[stoic spruce]

@gusty hedge restless blades still nerfed

[potent pivot]

Honestly that’s probably the fucking play now

For fucks sake

[sharp sierra]

explain @potent pivot

[outer sky]

Wait you think DS is better now?

[potent pivot]

Probably

[pale lotus]

not until the change

ptr change

[molten hedge]

Yk how uncle kalv says “lingering is op”

[potent pivot]

Just isn’t true

[pale lotus]

yeah idkl..we will see

[potent pivot]

DS was already fine numerically

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-gir-yay-we're-doomed-gif-13636959359190634419

[potent pivot]

It was just having to play around Darkest Night only to swap

[stoic spruce]

[potent pivot]

Since they changed how swapping works

Now we probably just have to eat blizzards shit and deal with it

[gusty hedge]

might be time to take a break from wow

[sharp sierra]

frost mages are doing amazing in pve and pvp and wild they got no tuning

[potent pivot]

Wait

Did they even buff rogue in pve

[molten hedge]

Idts

[potent pivot]

Like proper pve buffs

[sharp sierra]

not sub

[potent pivot]

Fucking clown show

My god

[sharp sierra]

😫

[molten hedge]

I thought u meant sub

They did buff assa and outlaw

[potent pivot]

We effectively dodge this entire nerf by going Deathstalker

[molten hedge]

@jaunty osprey eating that shit up

[queen geyser]

That Menacing Rush mod is gonna be there until the end of time now

Yippee!

[little quest]

are the 4% and 8% dmg buff to outlaw multiplicative or additive? like is it 12% more dmg in pvp?

[gusty hedge]

nerfed outlaw aoe again and slight buff , feels bad

[queen geyser]

Either way I believe we're doing more damage than right now both in and out of ADR in PvP

[molten hedge]

That’s what I’m thinking

And u get lingering and bait and switch or whatever which is nice

[potent pivot]

Gonna make sub harder to play

For all the fotm rollers too

Lmao

[molten hedge]

Good

[gusty hedge]

[potent pivot]

Ya

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-want-peace-gif-5068189350147966161

[gleaming sentinel]

i just think what is driving me crazy is nerfing the cool part of the new kit (an actual burst cd)

and then makig us a sustain dmg again with no control

so we are truly just fury warriors

that can die easier

[gusty hedge]

i had some hope for the spec too, idk how it will get better at this point

[warped gate]

We're being balanced by AI.

[molten hedge]

Also fuck the coup GCD I gapped some cheaps bc of it

[potent pivot]

Coup trucks though

Honestly

[jaunty osprey]

God damn

[molten hedge]

Sadly

[outer sky]

I'm less upset about it now but I kept having a bug where Coup wouldnt give me the 5 FF stacks

[jaunty osprey]

Those changes are so massive

Lmao

Assa stonks up so much

[scarlet nest]

outlaw might be kinda phat???

[stoic spruce]

It's finally alright

Alright as in alright damage

[vocal surge]

Even with Menacing Rush nerfed, we'll still do slightly more damage during our burst windows

and I mean slightly

[potent pivot]

Why would they be multiplicative? They are just stacked on top of the specs damage aura basically

[gleaming sentinel]

is it a 12% buff then?

[vocal surge]

12% to our DPS outside AR

[molten hedge]

@outer sky

https://tenor.com/view/time-for-you-to-come-home-beau-bridges-ralph-warner-homeland-its-time-to-go-gif-16559707

[vocal surge]

3.2% in AR (not overall, but a difference of before and after)

[outer sky]

Assa could get an 85% buff and it wouldnt do anything for me

[vocal surge]

120% --> 123.2%

[molten hedge]

Lmaoooo

[outer sky]

As long as vanishing only gets me 1 cheap shot i aint interested

[molten hedge]

You could just make a bind of something you never press like auto attack and change the pic to cheap shot so you feel like it’s always up

[stoic spruce]

Be ashamed of that suggestion

[outer sky]

That's like playing with your dog after it's dead

[pastel burrow]

guys no matter what the patch notes do to us

Just Gap

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1214630620559446016/1355590396213723278/JustGap.gif

we can do it

[molten hedge]

Sounds like some shit a DK would do. My friend has a DK named Necrofeelya 😭

Yeah those assa buffs are quite large tho

[proven field]

You see the bleed buffs aren’t pve only?

[outer sky]

maybe now you'll get ran down and folded by a target at 85%hp instead of one at 90%hp

Not like you can

ya know

CC him

or anything

[potent pivot]

The fact they aren’t buffing envenom

Means assa will remain crapola

💯

[outer sky]

Envenom, Kingsbane, Implacable

something

Or let us stun shit again

id take that

Right now assa is doing less damage than last season and has a shadow of the control it had

[molten hedge]

I thought you said it was good pop

[proven field]

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-james-franco-hate-us-gif-4106580

[potent pivot]

Good as in viable yea

But the issues are very obvious

[molten hedge]

Mhmm

[potent pivot]

No one will really play assa/law with their cc/defensive kits as they stand

Buffing bleed damage is a terrible thing to just keep doing

It’s lazy and asinine

[molten hedge]

Lazy is the word I thought of when I read the change to sub today

[proven field]

As a BGB player I’m ok with it

[potent pivot]

“You have 10 talents revolving around Envenom, here’s some more bleed damage so you get played more maybe”

[molten hedge]

And last week

[potent pivot]

They’ve done this to assa

For 3 expansions now

Melee aff lock

Boring

[odd yew]

What's the buy this week? I got myth gloves out of my vault so I'm kinda a week ahead on gearing now ig

[potent pivot]

Spec..?

[odd yew]

Sub sorry

[potent pivot]

It’s ok idk why I bother asking anymore

Legs

[odd yew]

Sweet ty, I assume they go to catalyst for the 4pc?

[potent pivot]

Ye

[odd yew]

And what would you say as next week's buy? Since I never bought gloves last week and it's now pointless to buy them with 6/6 myth... Or have you not thought that far ahead?

[outer sky]

I dont think there's an out without buffing their CC

[rough rock]

id commit to law if we could cc like sub, wouldnt even care about damage at that point

[outer sky]

You dont even need to be able to "CC like sub"

assa/outlaw could never really do that

But you need something

other than 1 cheap every 2m Vanish LOL

it needs to be usable multiple times off of stealth

vanish, meld, a re

[rough rock]

Id like it after a gravedigger buff or adr

I dont want to be forced to go back into ambush style since they want us away from that anyways

then again wouldnt make sense with current law

[outer sky]

if they put Shot in the Dark on the rogue class tree and made it proc off of gaining any kind of stealth, that would be HUGE

[rough rock]

Part of me wants to say id prefer more defense at the least but then at what point am i just asking to be a warrior

[stoic spruce]

No you're not

It depends on what defense you're asking for

[rough rock]

Well i dont want to be a "brawler" only, id like to be a dirty fighter

if that makes any sense

[stoic spruce]

It does not

[rough rock]

Like DnD, the whole subclass is about being slightly tanky and having lots of cc/mobility

[stoic spruce]

Go on

[severe helm]

were approaching the 20% total damage buff needed for outlaw

[stoic spruce]

Would TWW be more like warrior then?

[severe helm]

that I said at the start of the season

[stoic spruce]

Yeah I'm at the same conclusion

[severe helm]

someone tell me the ww nerfs fix the one shots

[rough rock]

i guess its what id prefer, minus the crackshot windows

[severe helm]

what does that mean mechanically

cuz it sounds more like a theme

[stoic spruce]

All I'm saying is simply asking for more defensive capabilities doesn't automatically default you to being a warrior

[severe helm]

than actual gameplay

[stoic spruce]

I thought the same thing

[open thunder]

@potent pivot can i play outlaw to get the enchant thingy now?

[stoic spruce]

That's why I didn't ask that

[severe helm]

probably

[rough rock]

dirty fighter meaning more cc while brawling with a hit and run playstyle

[severe helm]

youre very squishy

[severe helm]

so sub rogue

[quick temple]

you can use wowarenalogs to see

[open thunder]

as outlaw ?

[rough rock]

Well i see sub as a set up playstyle, maybe not now

[severe helm]

sub is hit and run

[rough rock]

but i get what youre saying

[open thunder]

i mean its the same in m+ no

[severe helm]

with more cc

it just isnt themed like outlaw

[severe helm]

yes

[open thunder]

we have no defs for non aoe

[severe helm]

outlaw is a very squishy spec in pvp

more than in m+

cuz feint is aoe value in m+ at least

in pvp you have nothing

the vanish cdr thing made outlaw a super easy kill

[frozen walrus]

With the nerfs to Menacing Rush coming, are we taking Heightened Rush?

[molten hedge]

I have a r1 ww friend he said they’re big

[rough rock]

yeah thats true

[severe helm]

good

[molten hedge]

But he also said unnecessary

Sooooo

[severe helm]

liar

wws are cry babies

[molten hedge]

Ikr

[severe helm]

they think if they cant kill someone WITHOUT cc that theyre too weak

[rough rock]

I guess when i think of outlaw i just think of DnD swashbuckler

[severe helm]

they have brain rot

[open thunder]

so what do i do

as outlaw

[molten hedge]

That’s the sentiment I’ve heard over and over

[open thunder]

whats the playstyle

do you just hit people

[stoic spruce]

Sounds familiar

[molten hedge]

If it can’t kill in a sweep it’s bad

[open thunder]

mewo teach me pvp in 5min

what button do i press bro

[rough rock]

im not saying i want to only kill in cc

[molten hedge]

Kill them don’t die win

[open thunder]

i understand

[rough rock]

id just like to be able to disrupt more in a brawl

[open thunder]

imma do that i think

[severe helm]

honestly its kinda easy right now

cc got buffed

your mobility is weak

[open thunder]

i just press kidney on cd and pve them or what

[severe helm]

cuz grapple cdr is reduced a lot

[open thunder]

no wae

whatdehelly

i have perma sprint no ?

like in keys

[severe helm]

but essentially I would send kidneys on healer

and run double vanish

and cheap shot kill target

[severe helm]

not even close

[open thunder]

wtff

im not doing that bro

[stoic spruce]

Restless is nerfed by 20% still

[severe helm]

kk

[open thunder]

you think im pressing cheap shot ?

[severe helm]

then yeah send kidney on kill target then

[open thunder]

omegalul bro

[severe helm]

on cd

[rough rock]

press N, switch spec

[open thunder]

bro think imma cheap shot

[severe helm]

and gouge/blind healer

[open thunder]

[rough rock]

dooming joke

[severe helm]

bro you have no tools otherwise haha

cc is really op right now

[open thunder]

ye lil buddy

imma cheap

[rough rock]

i really tried pve this last week and idk how people do it man

[stoic spruce]

Cheap has been arguably the best rogue tool for ages in pvp

[sly swan]

sub rogues we going Deathstalker now or wha?

[stoic spruce]

Probably

They're cooking

[sly swan]

Cool Im down for a change up

[rough rock]

This sounds like the third nerf in a row where everyone says its going to change then it doesnt at all

[stoic spruce]

Coup hits hard so they may not

[rough rock]

Fantasy of DM is cooler tho

[stoic spruce]

For sure

Unless you're alliance

Then stop larping

[rough rock]

.....i just wanted shadowmeld...

Doing the felcycle stuff on alliance side made me realize how boring and tedious most of the alliance areas are

[stoic spruce]

No excuses knife ears

[rough rock]

dont worry my horde outlaw is undead

which is only fun when i fight a warlock or priest xD

[stoic spruce]

And warriors

And evoker

[molten hedge]

@potent pivot @outer sky the mutilate buff isn’t even huge right? Bc when ur bursting you’re pressing garrote and ambush. And outside of burst you’re not spamming mutilates rly or you’ll be energy starved right

So it kinda seems like a nothing burger

[outer sky]

The mutilate buff is one of the most major pieces of evidence I've seen in a long time that Blizzard doesnt even play their own game

[molten hedge]

LMFAO

I’m not that smart and I even put that together

[outer sky]

"Assa is underperforming in PvP. What should we do?"

"We could buff this button they don't press in pvp!"

"Someone give that man a promotion!"

And yes I know it IS pressed in PvP but most combo points by far are built with fan not mut. I'm making a point, relax

If they want to give assa more damage it needs to go to Envenom, Kingsbane, and/or Implacable Strikes

otherwise buff their CC

[quick temple]

at least outlaw is fixed

just needed 8% sustained dam

who knew

[potent pivot]

I would go sub blud

[open thunder]

lil bud

im not going sub

nice try tho

blocked

[potent pivot]

You are

Because I said so

Listen to daddy

[runic laurel]

You have my attention now 😳

[open thunder]

:3

[potent pivot]

[open thunder]

tomorrow maybe i do pvp all day idk

i have nothing to do

[potent pivot]

Do it

It’s fun

[open thunder]

hm

this sounds like a bait

[potent pivot]

The illusion is giga

[open thunder]

but i heard the enchant was cool

i actually havent seen it tho

amybe its good i see it first

oh wait but i need pvp gear and shit no

gege ..

[final dew]

for Platynator, does anyone know how to turn off minion and totem health bars? need them off like RN

[molten hedge]

But what if we nerfed implacable and buffed Mut tho

[outer sky]

Like they actually did lmao

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/somebody-hire-this-guy-ahmed-aldoori-give-this-guy-a-job-employ-this-guy-give-him-a-work-gif-20411308

Ik lol

[potent pivot]

U can get gear so fast

[molten hedge]

Can I show totems with platy @potent pivot

[rough rock]

do your mandatory 4 hours of crates

[molten hedge]

I keep getting fucked by cap totem

Not health bars the cap totem icon

[potent pivot]

Wdym

Like a setting?

[molten hedge]

Yeah can u do it with platy

To show the cap totem icon

[potent pivot]

I think that is dead on all addons no?

[molten hedge]

I dont see that or psyfiend tn rn

I think ppl do it with bbp

[potent pivot]

Ik we used to

Thought that was gone now tho

[molten hedge]

I’ll have to SS it if I see it

Swear I did

[dark stump]

this is what we call a subhuman

[rough rock]

if i were to upgrade my pvp gear would weapons > helemt > chest be best way to go?

[potent pivot]

For PvE ilvl?

[rough rock]

Yes sorry

[potent pivot]

Weps then whatever has more agi

[rough rock]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

Really main hand

Offhand is whatever

[quaint cedar]

Was it really necessary to preemptively nerf ADR? Are they really that scared of outlaw being good again? Damn

[sharp sierra]

@potent pivot so DS is the play?

[quaint cedar]

Unless sub does literally zero damage everyone is just going to play it over assa/law anyways.

[potent pivot]

I can’t say for certain until I play but prolly

[sharp sierra]

aight ty sir

[rough rock]

yes fuck you

-blizzard

[quaint cedar]

Yup been that way ever since SL

I'm happy our overall damage got buffed by 12%, that's great and all, but I really don't think blizzard understands why there's such a huge gap between outlaw/assa and sub

It's not just the damage

[potent pivot]

Yep

[frozen walrus]

They could have done everything they did, and not touched our burst, and nobody would have said anything

[quaint cedar]

Yeah exactly

Also find it hilarious that we've been buffed, what, 3 times now? And blizzard still hasn't figured out that restless blades is still at 0.8

[frozen walrus]

Yup

I think a total of 22% dmg over the last 4 weeks

So sad that it went to live like it did

[quaint cedar]

Honestly the tuning has been so bad in general

[frozen walrus]

Sub barely getting anything and keeping all of their CC, meanwhile we get decent buffs, but nothing about our utility

[quaint cedar]

Expansion launches are usually a mess but we're seeing specs go up or down by 20% or more. Something's wrong with that

[potent pivot]

Same for assa

[potent pivot]

What

“Barely getting anything”

?

[sleek belfry]

all i want this season is the illusion and im in lobbies with seth asking for mass reports on random blitz only dh’s who suck

feels like target inted in league

cba

[outer sky]

Every time I see a comment like this I click the profile picture and 9/10 times the person has only been in this discord for like a month. Like, what're you doing?

[frozen walrus]

?

Srsly

You are right. Joining a discord for a long period of time makes you really cool

I have disrespected anyone, or said anything crazy

[sleek belfry]

i don’t think that is his point bud

[frozen walrus]

I am not sure why you are so angry

I stated that Sub hasnt had big nerfs and then I get ragged on?

The fact that someone states something that you may disagree with make you look at their profile to call them out, instead of having a normal conversation with them about how they may be wrong?

[potent pivot]

We’ve just had an influx of people lately trolling because sub was strong and getting nerfed etc, ignore him

[frozen walrus]

I was literally in here last week talking to some guys about Supercharger and how I thought CB was better.

Was a great talk

I then tested it out and I think he was right

Supercharger is better IMO

[potent pivot]

I tried that but yea

[outer sky]

Youre advocating for rogue nerfs in the rogue discord. Were you expecting a standing ovation?

[frozen walrus]

I didnt want any "ovation"

[outer sky]

Its just an odd place to do that

Like of all the places online you could

[frozen walrus]

Odd place to talk about Rogue PVP in the Rogue PVP Discord channel?

[outer sky]

You picked here

[stoic spruce]

"I went to Greenville and advocate for less green and everyone got mad for some reason"

[potent pivot]

Bruh

[frozen walrus]

My comment had nothing to do with Sub. It had to do with Blizzard not understanding the issues with some of their classes.

[gleaming pawn]

what is going on today with these shit takes

[outer sky]

This happens every time sub does meaningful damage

[frozen walrus]

Zicore, I think you trying to oversimplify it. Sub does more dmg, more control, and more survivabilty than either of the other 2 Rogue classes.

[outer sky]

I agree. Buff the other 2

Ive been saying this for ages

[frozen walrus]

I AGREE!!!