pvp

[maiden gull]

outlaw is b tier at max

[normal barn]

Maybe that is the strat

I respect it

[maiden gull]

he has no clue

[normal barn]

Outlaw is 100x more fun than sub anyway

[maiden gull]

venruki even less

thats true

[outer sky]

It took a fun nerf when they gimped the grapple hook speed

[normal barn]

Outlaw isn’t going to get nerfed because of a yter lol

It’s way underplayed

Sub will almost definitely be hit again

My bet is a nerf to the cc

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

doubtful

[normal barn]

I think sub, ret, and ww will take another smack

Rightfully so

I want ass to be meta

[outer sky]

Nah blizzard very clearly wants sub to have a lot of control. If it does get hit again it'll be damags

[normal barn]

Idk they just nerfed the burst

[gusty hedge]

dnt need another TWW sin meta

[outer sky]

Guarantee you it won't be a cc nerf

[normal barn]

Maybe not

I think arms war is the current melee sweet spot

Decent cc, damage, survivability

But not grossly op in any of those areas

[outer sky]

Arms needs its root break on shout back imo

And maybe avatar too ngl

[normal barn]

Yeah prob, would feel less forced to play gnome

Which is criminal to begin with

[outer sky]

Think they'd still play gnome

[potent pivot]

Troll better anyway

[outer sky]

I dont think arms can have enouhh root breaks

[potent pivot]

Fuck a gnome

[normal barn]

https://tenor.com/view/snape-sleeves-harry-potter-ready-pull-up-sleeves-gif-16275134

[outer sky]

You said this the other day. Why is it better? If it is im race changing my arms warrior tonight

[severe helm]

truuuuuuu

[potent pivot]

Shorter snares and it stacks with their new stance effect

All snares/roots are insanely short for troll arms

[normal barn]

Wait what

[outer sky]

So its like a 45% reduction?

[dark stump]

what did i miss ?

[potent pivot]

Idr but it’s a lot

[normal barn]

Is it really better than an on demand break?

[outer sky]

It very well could be

[normal barn]

Idk

[dusk harbor]

hi guys

[muted abyss]

Really wish I could play tbc classic while waiting on these BGB queues

[proper vortex]

I just found out i dont have my on use trinket in my swifty oneshot macro for big go

[potent pivot]

That’s what Magnusz was saying ya

[normal barn]

I feel myself raging missing a pummel because while I’m snared for a shorter amount of time I’m still snared

[dusk harbor]

is sub rogue pvp have any cap for haste?

[proven field]

700

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[old dome]

Any ideas what my next conq item should be? I have shoulder and helm tier set (conq), crafted belt and boots and almost 2.5k conq (weapons)?

[proven field]

Nooo

[outer sky]

Gloves and legs

For 4 set

[proven field]

Never weapons - the are free

[muted abyss]

weapons are free after getting 2.5k conquest, you get two tokens added to your bags

[outer sky]

We will craft weapons as our absolute last upgrade

Until then use free conq weps

[proper vortex]

2.5k

[gusty hedge]

if you're outlaw Gloves/legs/chest/shoulders, if only running 2 set gloves/legs

[potent pivot]

lot of the top warrs already trying it

[proven field]

Taz dingo

[potent pivot]

It’s somewhere around 50% less duration on all snares/roots

Compared to on demand break with CD

[normal barn]

This is all I need

Anything to get me away from gnome

Thank you

[proven field]

Holy shit I am legitimately slow - I just realized my rogue isn’t actually DI, just normal dwarf with red glowing eyes

lol that is hilarious

[potent pivot]

Lol

[outer sky]

The shout is 25% and the racial is 20%. Question is, is it 25%+20%=45% reduced duration or is it like 100-25%=75 and then 75-20%= 60 so 40% reduced duration

[dark kernel]

It's always multiplication I think

[normal barn]

I’m sure they’ve tested it

[outer sky]

Its either 40 or 45% shorter roots

[proven field]

When I get back to my desk I’ll post a pic, this girl must have a little dark iron in her

[potent pivot]

It was big

Like mage roots were around 4sec

Instead of 8

[outer sky]

Yeah i can def see this being better than gnome

[potent pivot]

Mag was saying gnome still felt better for fury

[outer sky]

Troll heritage armor set is 🔥

[potent pivot]

But arms as troll is fine

[outer sky]

Fine or BiS?

[potent pivot]

Idk man I’m not a warrior

[old dome]

So I want 4 set on sub? I wont be able to catalyst them atm.

[potent pivot]

Ye

[potent pivot]

I think bis is debatable depending on match ups, like even orc warrior is good into this cleave meta rn

[outer sky]

True

[potent pivot]

But troll is rly good into most shit

[normal barn]

I think we will start seeing less frost mages

[potent pivot]

Especially classes that have to use globals to slow u

[normal barn]

Unless hunters get nerfed

[outer sky]

Shit rogues have a talent for a passive 30% root/snare reduction. Troll rogue would make it even shorter than troll warrior

[normal barn]

I could never give up meld

[potent pivot]

We have more ways to deal with it already tho

[outer sky]

I can for sub and outlaw

[proven field]

Or DI….err dwarves racial

[molten hedge]

yea or 50%

[outer sky]

I have 4 rogues ill give it a try

Might make a 5th soon ngl

[molten hedge]

i played frost demo rsham as rmp last night wanted to kms

[normal barn]

Because nothing dies?

[molten hedge]

they just counter u in every way

[outer sky]

@molten hedge does lmao

[proven field]

lol

[normal barn]

I think demo has strongest cc in game right now

[molten hedge]

demo axe toss every other go

rsham ground

frost untouchable with blink stun

peels from all three and roots

[proven field]

Devo also super annoying; please stop flying away you dickhead

[normal barn]

Don’t forget endless invis

[outer sky]

Blink every stun

[normal barn]

Blink invis

[outer sky]

You probably have to kill the shaman but good luck when getting sheep and fear spammed

[molten hedge]

Yep ik

we are playing with hpri so he can at least cover one dps

[normal barn]

Aren’t people starting to realize holy > disc in 3s?

[proven field]

I enjoy that fear is made out of vibranium now too

[molten hedge]

i like playing with hpri

but dam does it oom fast

with all these ret warrs and turbos

[outer sky]

Its a dispellable stun for all intents and purposes

[proven field]

A stun tha makes you run away for free too lol

[outer sky]

And to the most inopportune part of the map too lmao

[proven field]

Oh 100% - you end up stuck under the stairs of quarry like “what the fuck is happening”

[quick temple]

im choking

im late but do ppl actually take venruki's and supa's opinions seriously?

they're panhandlers they need this shit to eat lol they prob hate the game deep down

[potent pivot]

unfortunately a lot of the casual community eats tier list content up like crazy

that's the only reason pve/pvp content creators make them

[dark kernel]

They're not always terrible terrible just complete misreads and they don't tend to play PTR

[proven field]

People just like content for their hobbies - anyone who takes it as gospel will never play competitively anyway and the rest just enjoy more about their hobby

[quick temple]

everything they say is so sanitized and jus appease their viewers, as it should its their job but lol there's not much passion or dissecting to their content

i dont hate em but yea if they something like hmm idk about this spec A tier i guess, plz dont take that as gospel lol

[bold drum]

I've seen streams where people have info about enemy burst cds or sound when your healer is in cc, whats that addon?

[quick temple]

minicc

[quick temple]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/minicc

[old dome]

Any bis item to put socket on for the gem?

[potent pivot]

you can craft honor level jewelry

and put gems into them

cuz u can recraft(upgrade) them into conq later and not lose anything afaik

Other than that idk what you’ve got

[old dome]

Not even sure what item i can socket. Also tyvm for alwasy being helpful!

[potent pivot]

You can add a socket to helms/belts/wrists, but jewelry(neck, rings) comes pre socketed. You just have to stick gems in them

I crafted honor lvl jewelry with honor heraldries so I didn’t have to buy new gems when upgrading them to conquest ilvl later

[proper vortex]

U cant cap a flag when you have Eye buff?

[wanton breach]

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

What

Im like 90% sure you can

But I havent actually tried it with the intention of testing it

[proper vortex]

I also had a hunter debuff on me and got the error message "you cant do that yet"

[severe helm]

hunter debuff?

you mean hunters mark

thats not eye

[proper vortex]

Here is a screen

[severe helm]

did you have cloak

cuz you cant cap in cloak

its an "immunity" now

[potent pivot]

[gusty hedge]

wow thats lame

[proper vortex]

Yeah you can see cloak at the bottom

[severe helm]

yeah thats why then

[proper vortex]

Wow

Ty tho

[severe helm]

was too op against casters

to walk up and just cap

[proper vortex]

Ah and what about blinding light from paladins? Do we have a counter for that?

[severe helm]

wdym

thats a casted cc effectively

and yes you do

its called cloak

lol

blinding light is their aoe disorient

[proper vortex]

After or before?

[severe helm]

I assume you meant searing glaze

either

you can cloak the debuff off

[proper vortex]

No the light where you have 100% miss chance

[severe helm]

its also dispellable

yeah thats searing glaze

sorry "glare"

[proper vortex]

Blinding Searing all the same xd

[severe helm]

its also only 4s

so they cant even cap in that time

you can also shadow step the end of the cast so it doesnt hit you

its a frontal

[proper vortex]

Ah okay, only saw it once tho

[crude mason]

You can get those badges back also? Thought I was screwed and wasted conquest on two more badges.

[potent pivot]

The heraldries? You can’t get them back, no

You can recraft gear to swap its stats or embellishments without needing more heraldries

Unless you’re upgrading from an honor heraldry piece to a conquest heraldry piece

You’d provide the conquest heraldries and nothing else basically

[crude mason]

Ah so basically, you just change the ilvl and secondary stats? Since it already set to 289 in pvp

Basically what they did with reforging stats?

[potent pivot]

It’s just how the crafting system works

You can recraft anything

[jolly sierra]

searing and blinding are the same, one takes the slot from the other

so he can both disorient or make everything miss

tbh i hate searing glare cuz its casted, so i take blinding cuz its insta

[crude mason]

Scenario: 239 eng helm set to haste with the 289 in pvp. Therefore I would not need anything beside the secondary stat item I am changing to?

[potent pivot]

Since it’s an engi item you can only put 1 type of stat on it

You can swap it

But only to 1 other stat

[outer sky]

In blitz searing is busted. Like actually insane that its even allowed in the game. It lasts longer than cap and it cant be trinketed lmao so you just glare everyone at the flag and they cant spin

[potent pivot]

Crafting engi items at conquest level is usually a terrible idea early season

Especially if it’s on a tier set gear slot lol

[jolly sierra]

unless they kick u lol

in blitz i go first towards tf and shove the aoe at their faces to force stuff

and then i run away

[outer sky]

Bubble>glare>cancel bubble>cap

And if you have 2 pallys its over

Chain glares

[jolly sierra]

oh that is new

fair

that could work on gilneas, eots or ab, fair

[crude mason]

Yeah, I didnt do a whole lot of research. Bum rushed to 90 without doing the campaign… now I have to finish it. Also thought prof still played a big role like the early expansions.

[severe helm]

yeah but theyre diff abilities though

im just clarifying what he meant by a counter to it

[jolly sierra]

so, guys, gotta play SS again for this season, can you tell me which addons can be used in arena and arent copyright striked?

i recall one addon was banned for a lua claim some time ago

[potent pivot]

The addon pin is updated

You don’t need all the DR addons listed, they are just multiple options

[severe helm]

im using some reworked sarena

its been good

this one

[potent pivot]

Trash

[severe helm]

works great

good customization

easy to setup

[potent pivot]

Arena Core >

[severe helm]

I didnt like the arena core ui

and the default look was very non traditional

sarena is very familiar

for people who are used to gladius

or gladiusex

[jolly sierra]

ye, me lol

does it needs a discord invite?

[severe helm]

nope

[jolly sierra]

its in curse client?

[severe helm]

yeah

[jolly sierra]

nice, gotta download it soon

[potent pivot]

Download that slop

[old dome]

You cant get 4 tier set this reset? Even with 1.6k?

[potent pivot]

Not without doing pve no

[old dome]

So i will buy conq mast/vers gloves and be happy.

[severe helm]

you all in on arena core crypto or something?

[potent pivot]

Ye just grab em to Catalyst later

[potent pivot]

Nah the creator of sarena reloaded is just a piece of shit apparently so

And it genuinely doesn’t even work properly sometimes

DRs disappearing, trinkets disappearing, etc

[quick temple]

Arena core was an eyesore to me

if it aint broke

[potent pivot]

Gotta swap profiles

Mine looks like a much cleaner gladius

[molten hedge]

Agree. I didn’t like it at all

It has cool bells and whistles though. I could see why ppl would like it

[potent pivot]

I didn’t like it at first either

But honestly seems like the best option now imo

[molten hedge]

I haven’t had any issues with sarena reloaded except the trinket thing. I just assumed they were human or some shit lol

[potent pivot]

Nah sometimes the widgets just straight up disappear

It’s too annoying to bother using after seeing that

[molten hedge]

Can u send a pic of yours if I get a chance tn

[lime oar]

needa see it as well

[severe helm]

yeah ive had good success with sarena reloaded so far

[molten hedge]

If no trinket shows they obviously don’t have trinket 😆

[molten hedge]

He needs to @ everyone

[potent pivot]

My arena core?

[lime oar]

i need to see the core of your arena

[potent pivot]

No like it will be there round 1 of a shuffle and then disappear for the rest of the rounds and shit

For all 3 enemy frames

When that happens to your DRs it’s just gg

[molten hedge]

Oh shit I have not had that happen stg. But I have had like 1 trinket missing

[molten hedge]

Yezzir

[potent pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226359213427916800/1485898782871781516/image.png?ex=69d010d4&is=69cebf54&hm=f4aa7a1d8bfcab1d0f338d7dc19f0e3e3271157c751821c735add951594e5a48&

Think I’ve made a couple more tweaks since then

[molten hedge]

It does look good for sure. Still a bit arena core-ey 🤣

Can u drop import thooo?

[potent pivot]

In a bit

[molten hedge]

🔒

[potent pivot]

sArena 2 updated by sammers is also on the wago app now

[potent pivot]

#pvp message

I’m gonna make an addon thread soon

[outer sky]

@molten hedge

Thats the import string

[potent pivot]

Is that not what I linked

[outer sky]

yep identical profile

[potent pivot]

Why relink it

[molten hedge]

I hearted zicores then read that and unhearted it

[potent pivot]

[outer sky]

Ouch

the unheart

[molten hedge]

Lmao

[outer sky]

holy shit I just ate a 175k demolish tick

[molten hedge]

What’s yalls strat vs turbo and ret warr? Like generally speaking we usually go warr in turbo and ret in ret warr. Try not to swap too much unless it’s obvious bc we don’t wanna cycle thru endless cds

Yeah shit slaps

It’s usually hard for my mage to poly one bc they stack and frost mage or me break it sometimes

[outer sky]

alright boys I found my bracket

[molten hedge]

I thought about kidneying one and 2x cheap on the other and let my hpri and mage cover healer

[molten hedge]

Get comfy brudda

[outer sky]

A lot of the reason you lose vs these comps is if your caster just isnt that good

im not saying thats the case here

but if your caster cant kite melee effectively

theres not a lot you can do

[molten hedge]

I’m sure there’s room for improvement for both of us. It’s just like if someone doesn’t cover a warr or an enh then they’ll just shit on your go so I’m looking for ways to make sure they don’t kick ray of death

[stoic spruce]

He doesn't play DK, he's a warrior main. He does the same thing in Acherus lmaoo

[molten hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/aniyabea-yt-man-stare-ab-yt-man-stare-aniyab-gif-10494397403125281154

Why are you, a real outlaw, in Archerus

Outlaws can’t leave Ravenholdt

[molten hedge]

We are playing with hpri, so we usually just go oom bc they do so much damage and priest ooms rather quickly. So we just need cleaner setups. Lmk if u have any ideas

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

He had like 15k messages in archerus so I assumed

[final dew]

What conq item for next week?

[potent pivot]

Doesn’t really matter anymore

If you have the 4 pieces you will make into tier set

Just buy dps trinket or whatever else

[final dew]

Okay. I got the 2 set bonus on helm and shoulders, gloves and pants are conq, waist and boots are crafted, 2 free weps yesterday. Will be 1 month before I get the 4 set tier bonus. Dumb question but how many weeks are left in the season?

[potent pivot]

No one knows for sure, but likely at least 12 weeks

Probably more

[molten hedge]

U should have 3 pieces tiered if ur 1600

[potent pivot]

I don’t think he is seppi

[molten hedge]

Ahh ok

Call me Gui short for guido

[potent pivot]

Lol

[molten hedge]

Do u have any tips @potent pivot I can try sending some clips next time we play

[potent pivot]

For rmp va ret/warr?

Oh you replied to it

[final dew]

I got to 1350ish in 2s. 700 in blitz. 1250 in shuffle. For as often as I can play during family time, que times for solo or blitz just aren't productive

Still working on bindings but I feel like if I found someone to do 2s with on comms, i could definitely hit 1600. At least in 1v1s when I duel people that are 1600, i beat them lol.

[molten hedge]

Yea rmp vs ret warr and turbo

[swift willow]

Why is everyone using badge of alacrity and not ferocity as sub? isnt burst better?

[potent pivot]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[proven field]

Moroes must be so tired lol

[potent pivot]

Everyone is running either the 200 or 600ish haste rating breakpoint now

And sub has such high dance uptime now that insignia is just really good

Insig is higher uptime by quite a bit compared to badge

[molten hedge]

Would be crazy if we could have some addon that tracked buff uptime 🙄

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

I’d want to actually sit down n give a proper answer I’m at work rn

[molten hedge]

no problem ill bug ya later

[swift willow]

ok ty make sense

[vocal surge]

How often are crates again?

[potent pivot]

The socket chest?

Or actual crates

[proven field]

So only change this week is updating assa ticks based on stats.. which I guess could be a buff but more likely a nerf due to not sending bleeds on agil procs?

[vocal surge]

just the normal supply crates from WM

[potent pivot]

Crates are every 18min

[vocal surge]

Ok

Time to farm out WM crates to make up for last week's zero attendance

[outer sky]

You trying to gain some sort of unfair advantage?

[severe helm]

That's why I heal

DPS just ain't it

If you're a busy person

[molten hedge]

bro i stg i was ab to say that LMAO

[hybrid sapphire]

xbf daily grievance post

we WON the one match we did btw

[jaunty osprey]

Garrotes applied with Improved Garrote and spread by Crimson Tempest now correctly update their damage when the rogue’s stats change.

big change

for when you get trinket proc

[vocal surge]

F

[potent pivot]

:o

[jaunty osprey]

bleeds about to do even more damage now

wep procs, arcanoweave procs, trinket procs

[final pewter]

if u drop a set item, can you make it to have pvp ilvl?

[outer sky]

I wish

They would let me queue shuffle as one spec

and blitz as another

[outer sky]

Are you not playing badge as assa? Ive been playing badge and macroing it to Kingsbane

[severe helm]

Yes

There are items on the conquest vendor

That will turn any pve tier piece into scaling pvp ilvl

[final pewter]

I am guessing its the Varnish item? I dropped a set helmet, should I make it scale in pvp? theres some shenanigans with sockets?

[jaunty osprey]

hell no

lol

[solemn plover]

Arcanoweave Lining is the embellishment we want for crafteds right?

[outer sky]

Why? Nothing dies outside of Kingsbane anyway

Seems weird not to buff that window

[jaunty osprey]

lol

wrong

but ok

[outer sky]

helpful as always

[severe helm]

There's a gearing guide in the pins to give some advice on how to spend conquest

[jaunty osprey]

ive been saying for weeks that bleeds

do everything for assa

[potent pivot]

Ye

[outer sky]

Going on Murlok pretty much nobody is playing insignia. And theyre also not playing Zold+Dashing either

[jaunty osprey]

Cause everyone else is dumb

LMAO

[outer sky]

Are you drunk or something?

[jaunty osprey]

the rogues that are being recorded on murloc are 1650 players

I hope you know that

[hybrid rapids]

Did the last set of nerfs already happen? Asking cause I dont feel much difference, unless it wasnt gonna be a big nerf?

[outer sky]

Most people arent feeling much of a difference

but yeah they happened

Hoping we dont get hit again tomorrow

but I have a bad feeling about it....

[hybrid rapids]

Things aint looking bright, I see

[jaunty osprey]

So out of every rogue above 1700, I have the #1 and #2 win rate - I can assure you that other people are playing assa wrong and the wrong talents + gear

https://seramate.com/us/ladder?specs=[259]&type=shuffle&page=1&perPage=100

[outer sky]

Ok bro I believe you calm down lmao

[potent pivot]

Too true

[rapid furnace]

Quick question what should i craft first with my 9 heralds ?

[final pewter]

can I add PvE socket to a pvp varnished set item?

or do I have to do it before varnishing?

[ionic crown]

@outer sky whats the best race as sub in alliance?

[outer sky]

oh geez, i mean sub cares the least about racials of any of the rogue specs

Nelf is good, Human is good, Kul Tiran is good

Probably human would edge out the rest

[jaunty osprey]

yes

[outer sky]

by a hair

[final pewter]

thank you!

[ionic crown]

great ill change the race of my all rog chars today thx

[outer sky]

You don't need to blow cash or gold on that man literally every race works for sub within a margin of like 0.5% lol

[ionic crown]

seems so but i like human's evis motion

and ig shadowmeld is no more valueable

[waxen meteor]

8 caps games lol

[potent pivot]

#1283780831147589713

[potent pivot]

Bro what

[potent pivot]

You can still meld casts

[molten hedge]

my guy knows what he wants

[potent pivot]

[proven field]

This gives me hope that my version of assa secretly works

People will realize the freedom of energy from blindside and go “who was that idiot who always ran it” and I will stare into the sunset like Thanos on his farm

[severe helm]

I'd figure orc

[outer sky]

He asked for alliance races

[severe helm]

Ah

Night elf my boo

I'll never swap

[outer sky]

nelf is good too yeah

[ionic crown]

i wanna more dps but no orc

[outer sky]

Human also gives you more secondary stats

[graceful ravine]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[graceful ravine]

how confident are we on haste

cos murlok.io has mastery > haste

[potent pivot]

Murlok shows an average of peoples scaled down stats

Very confident you won’t notice a difference between the two

[outer sky]

I have one rogue with 2 GCDs worth of haste and one rogue with only 1 GCD of haste and the difference is incredibly minor

[potent pivot]

Once kalv and whaazz say they think something is better and go with it, everyone just starts copying them

[outer sky]

Has whaazz said mastery is better?

[potent pivot]

I don’t think kalv even fuckin tested higher haste

[potent pivot]

“I think so but idk” type shit

[outer sky]

gotcha

[potent pivot]

None of them do math man

Kalv thinks it’s better whaazz copies

When kalv didn’t test haste

[outer sky]

Well Kalv has been saying mastery>haste for a while now but I think Whaazz used to be on team haste

[potent pivot]

Realistically

I don’t think going mast secures you any kills you wouldn’t have gotten with haste

And I’ll stand behind that tbh

No one thinks about how insane higher dance uptime is

It’s just “me SmORc want biggest number on 1 stat”

[outer sky]

so

i just checked numbers

on my fully geared haste rogue

I have 59% mastery

on my fully geared mastery rogue

I have 80% mastery

so 21% more finisher damage

in exchange for 1 GCD less of dance

[potent pivot]

Kalvs whole argument was that mastery and haste are similar in pve and that’s why he thinks higher haste is bad. Which was just cap to begin with

Then the “well they don’t have to run vers”

But they have to run just as much crit as we run vers

[potent pivot]

1 more second on Dance every 20 seconds

40% uptime on Dance with that

[graceful ravine]

one could argue the last second of dance is the least impactful

[potent pivot]

Not if you’re just doing way more overall dmg

Compared to only stun lock dmg

If you’re playing r1 3s with a ww or fire mage I can see wanting to be mast

Or if you focus on Blitz

But in a lot of comps, all of shuffle, mid rank gaming. You have more pressure with haste

[outer sky]

so look whats going on in this Blitz game.

I'm down at the bottom in the enemy base sitting in stealth next to the EFC by myself. The EFC is a MW monk and hes got a ret with him so there's no point in opening. My entire team is on defense back at our base, except for this one warrior who's running around mid doing i dont even fucking know what

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[potent pivot]

At that point if no1 comes to you, you send it and either clutch it or just die trying idk

Seems kinda dumb

I bet their whole team is where they’re supposed to be, getting their flag back too

[ionic crown]

@potent pivot what race is the best after orc?

[potent pivot]

Prolly just nelf

Human isn’t bad

But I wouldn’t spend money race swapping to human

Unless you’re just so completely sick of whatever race your rogues are atm

?

[earnest orbit]

Just checking if there was a server command, disregard

[quick temple]

i love trickster outlaw, what ailment has befallen me

[ionic crown]

@potent pivot So orc>nelf>etc Or orc>human>nelf>etc

[potent pivot]

for sub specifically human/nelf are basically in the same barrel

orc rn is ofc the best option, but even that is pretty slight

its good to be orc when playing VS other sub rogues basically

[quick temple]

hopefully they revisit outlaw pvp, ima jus pve on it til

[stoic spruce]

I wouldn't wait for tuning until RWF is done

[quick temple]

i want killing spree to be good

im sure they want it to be used too

[outer sky]

I'm not saying Blizz wants outlaw to be completely irrelevant this expansion. But IF they did, they wouldn't do anything different with it than theyve done so far.

[ionic crown]

ik but i dont wanna play orc cuz its so ugly and i think shadowmeld isnt valueable so much

meld: dodge spell,25y shadowstrike
human: 1m30s trinket, add 2%stats

[stoic spruce]

For unseen blades yeah

[potent pivot]

melding CC is pretty valuable

[stoic spruce]

It might have the worst animation that you can actually see

[potent pivot]

thats why so many non-rogue specs also play nelf

u should just pick what u want

and not try to debate your way out of or into something because u think its 0.1% better in 3 niche scenarios

also if u have multiple rogues

play multiple races

ez

[quick temple]

well yea but im sure they want it to be at least appealing to be used at all

[stoic spruce]

It's used for unseen blades

[quick temple]

i just dont know why're they afraid of making it an actual burst cd without caveats

[stoic spruce]

It's a lock in

[quick temple]

in all its iterations

[stoic spruce]

Restless Blades

Blizz doesn't know how to tune outlaw well when it's whole thing is massive CDR and it's only source of AoE is cleave

This spec is a relic

[quick temple]

no shot that the cdr thing jus has them stumped and daunted

worst case scenario you just make it a static cd

[stoic spruce]

That implies they don't have any ideas, they have ideas they're just bad

You can look at the change logs of abilities on wowhead and see for yourself

They have a link to the blue post they're announced in

They made almost a game wide nerf on cleave recently and hit outlaws as well but they forgot outlaws only source of AoE was cleave, as I said earlier.

Don't even get me started on PvP talents

[potent pivot]

why do you let them go through with these terrible ideas

[stoic spruce]

Because they say "Popo your ideas are too good, there's no way they'd believe this is real!"

So then they make me nerf BF again

I kinda like nerfing outlaw because it makes the pve channel mad

[velvet prism]

Is Assa just super versatile or do people not know the best spec yet? I have looked at a bunch of the top profiles and — troll builds aside- they all vary to some meaningful degree

[stoic spruce]

Sub is the best rogue spec

This is confirmed

[velvet prism]

I mean within assa

The builds are different amongst top players

[stoic spruce]

You mean build then

Oh okay

I don't know many people playing assa here

Build in pins should be the best build, if not one of the best

[molten hedge]

female nelf isnt too bad but i feel u

[ionic crown]

but kalv said orc,human,hmt>nelf

[stoic spruce]

Isn't that the same thing?

Nelf isn't too bad / nelf is ok

[jaunty osprey]

@potent pivot

another 6-0 in the bag on the same char

[potent pivot]

ye you can run almost any combo of the 3 main capstone branches

[potent pivot]

[potent pivot]

you're worrying too much about it

i've been playing my main/nelf rogue so far this season and its been fine

[severe helm]

these macros seemt o not work anymore

anyone else have this issue?

[jaunty osprey]

oof nope

i use separate macros for each arena targ

[severe helm]

yeah imma have to do that

gona suck lol

cant play without arena 1 2 3

its awful

[outer sky]

If you lose 1,000 games maybe 1 of those losses will be because you were one race and not another

If that tbh

[quick temple]

only time i consider race changing is to Orc cus of sub rogues

[outer sky]

Its good

I have 3 nelfs and a vulpera

[quick temple]

i enjoyed when my ele was Vulpera

[outer sky]

Very tempted to make a 5th rogue though

[severe helm]

is this what you do @jaunty osprey

[rough rock]

Been doing the felcycle stuff all day and man it’s long

[outer sky]

People are sleeping on the vulpera 80% slow

[rough rock]

I’d do the 12th orb 40 man raid thing before everyone stops doing it if anyone here is collecting tmogs

[outer sky]

Oh speaking of slows

I meant to post this earlier

Theres a bug i just discovered

[quick temple]

they ever fix nose for trouble into demo locks lol

[outer sky]

Vanish does not remove the slow applied by druid's Typhoon

For whatever reason

[quick temple]

wrong flag typically

[potent pivot]

it also wasn't clearing the hunter trap

luckily they fixed that shit last week

[outer sky]

As of an hour ago its still not clearing typhoon

[pliant spoke]

what set pieces we going for pvp?

helm/shoulders/gloves/legs?

[potent pivot]

spec?

[pliant spoke]

sorry sub

[potent pivot]

then ya

those

[pliant spoke]

cool. ty

[jaunty osprey]

uhhh no

because there's a weird bug

that if they're out of range, it goes on your target

i do this

[severe helm]

the bicmex one?

you have to do cleartarget

then targetlast target?

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

[severe helm]

yeah I removed that cuz i thought its what was bugging my shit

but I guess not

ffs

[jaunty osprey]

#showtooltip Blind
/target arena1
/cast Blind
/targetlasttarget

[outer sky]

I queued into your doppelganger with 2 C's in this name in blitz the other day. Farmed him

[severe helm]

ooooooooh

this might work

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift,@arena1] Shadowstep; [mod:alt,@arena2] Shadowstep; [mod:ctrl,@arena3] Shadowstep; [@focus] Shadowstep

[jaunty osprey]

or you can do

[severe helm]

apparently its multiple cast lines

that are fucked

[potent pivot]

we shoulda gotten a rogue mog like this

[jaunty osprey]

/cleartarget
/cast [target=arena1] Blind
/targetlasttarget

[severe helm]

so putting /cast in a macro

doesnt work

or multiple

I have a friend who had this issue

with a 1 button macro

to use trinket and two ogcd cooldowns

and it didnt work

maybe thats what it is

[potent pivot]

huh

[jaunty osprey]

nah

[potent pivot]

was about to say

[jaunty osprey]

cause I have this

[severe helm]

and that works?

[jaunty osprey]

in my focus macro

[severe helm]

weird

[jaunty osprey]

and it works

[severe helm]

hmmmmmmm

fuck it im just gona keep going with this method of them all separate

cuz idk whats causing it

and cba

[potent pivot]

tf is the combatlog line for lol

[brave estuary]

like 9-10 epic BGs in a row lost =.=

[severe helm]

the fuck is the combatlog script for

[jaunty osprey]

it's for when sometimes combatlog bugs

[potent pivot]

idk how u can play with melee range abilities in a123

i hate that shit

[jaunty osprey]

and doesnt record proper details

[severe helm]

I have it for all my characters

its like one paradigm

across my whole game

step, cheap, gouge, kidney, blind, sap, disarm

kick

so when I play alts its super easy

I put kick on the same button

and I have arena 123 and focus kick already memorized

[jaunty osprey]

kick target = 3, kick focus = alt 3, kick arena 1 = shift 3, kick arena 2 = ctrl 3, kick arena 3= well they dont get kicked cause no more modifiers

[severe helm]

mine are just all mouse buttons

so I know if im holding shift

im targeting arena 1 essentially

for every cc I have

alt is arent 2

ctrl is arena 3

nomod is focus

this shit wasnt even working

maybe its dominos idk

cuz I switched from bartender to dominos

[jaunty osprey]

sometimes my macros simply dont work

till i restart wow

[visual inlet]

https://x.com/weedtylerx/status/2039921441584337237

weedT (@weedtylerx)

THE MOST INSANE ALLEY OOP OF BG BLITZ HISTORY...
(ON THE #1 PLAYER BLITZ WORLD, DEAN)

▶ Play video

X · Apr 3, 2026, 4:22 AM

[outer sky]

22 year old game BTW

[jaunty osprey]

that was kinda insane

but he couldve just danced to sap him

[potent pivot]

that was clutch yea

[fathom crag]

this is bugged since df for all slows

[outer sky]

Because of course it is

[severe helm]

yeah whyd he drop it

idgi

lol

[jaunty osprey]

yeah

lol

makes 0 sense

[severe helm]

weedtye always trying to do the most

[jaunty osprey]

could've dance step sap

[potent pivot]

maybe he needed to vanish strike?

[jaunty osprey]

no

[potent pivot]

or did he have step

[jaunty osprey]

if he vanish strikes

he puts dean in combat

cant sap

[severe helm]

yeah

[potent pivot]

tru

[severe helm]

thanks blizz

nice use of 15 minutes

[potent pivot]

kinda funny that dean didn't insta send a global on him as well

[jaunty osprey]

that's 15 mins of ur game time u wont ever get back

[potent pivot]

to get cmb

[jaunty osprey]

working as intended

[severe helm]

was tryna pick

[jaunty osprey]

#blizzard

[severe helm]

I think

but yeah

he could have tagged him

that would have been smarter

he was too focused on trying to get flag

[jaunty osprey]

well

he couldve blinded him

too

[severe helm]

yeah fair

[jaunty osprey]

dean had nothing he couldve done

[severe helm]

or cheap

[jaunty osprey]

to prevent it

[severe helm]

or anything

[potent pivot]

just the way it all ended up looking, looks nice

[jaunty osprey]

was just good on tyler for recognizing that dean was coming in so he could step him

[potent pivot]

yea

[jaunty osprey]

i think the best play is him clicking through the BGE

[wispy dust]

For Sub, can I use the fist weapon galactic gladiators slicer in my offhand as long as I have a dagger in mainhand? I can’t see any downside? (I purchased the wrong weapons with tokens so will have to use honor dagger in mainhand)

[outer sky]

If you check his buffs at the start of the clip, he has dance up. Its possible he just didnt have a charge of it when he needed to sap

[potent pivot]

no. check pins

[lime oar]

he had both charges of dance

[jaunty osprey]

what are you talking about

[lime oar]

available

[jaunty osprey]

lol

the start of the clip was also over 20s before the sap happens

[outer sky]

Oh I didnt see that shit. Sorry im on my phone with the brightness turned way down

[jaunty osprey]

so even if he used a dance at the beginning, he'd have one back

[outer sky]

Friend of mine says maybe he did it to stealth so dead couldnt get in combat?

[potent pivot]

oo

[jaunty osprey]

no

we went over all of this already

he couldve blinded dean

couldve cheap shotted dean

dean had no outs

no matter what

only thing that dean couldve done diff

is not gate all the way in

and coil tyler

[outer sky]

Maybe he was afraid he was spamming coil?

So he wanted to be in stealth?

[jaunty osprey]

but at the same time, tyler had trinket up

[severe helm]

then he could have done the same on the mw

but yeah I mean the win condition there was just stop dean lots of ways to get it done

[outer sky]

Mw was still in the tunnel before he got the sap though right? Cuz Tyler got the speed boots

I mean we all know he just did that because it was the first thing that came to mind

[severe helm]

whats making ww rsk hit for 350k?

is that a bug?

dude wtf is up with ww

what bug are they abusing?

rsk litearlly is doing 85% of someones hp

[outer sky]

Compensation for having diffuse baked into fort brew

[severe helm]

its not like theyre squishy

[outer sky]

They also have to use a global to apply their slow

So its fair

Gotta pump

[severe helm]

wdym fof

90% slow

aoe

100% parry

[outer sky]

Not that one

Disable

[severe helm]

oh the other of their two slows

[outer sky]

Outside of fists

Yes

[severe helm]

crazy

[outer sky]

That one

[severe helm]

dont need to slow when you 1 shot

so

[outer sky]

Exactly

No wasted globals

[severe helm]

do they still have the infinite charge thing

[outer sky]

No

That was removed in tww

So they probably need to buff rsk another 20%

To compensate for that

[severe helm]

didnt know that spec could get any easier to play tbh

kinda wild

wonder if blizz will ever grow a second brain cell and remove 1 shots from the game

[outer sky]

I dont think blizzard is capable of executing a design goal

They EXPLICITLY said they wanted this season to be a slower paced meta

Look how thats going

[severe helm]

they explicitly said a lot of things

that they would be delivering subsitutes before removing addons

that they would be communicating with addon developers before implementing changes

theyre just liars

[outer sky]

Think theyre just incompetent

[severe helm]

both

[severe helm]

AFTER

the kill

LOL

youre kiddin

[potent pivot]

bro

[outer sky]

How is this not considered cheating?

[potent pivot]

3 minutes after

hang on

[severe helm]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[potent pivot]

maybe not 3min

but not even 1hr after

[outer sky]

Within an hour

[potent pivot]

yea

[outer sky]

How is it not cheating

[potent pivot]

because liquid has supposedly been asking them whats allowed and what isn't

so extremely weird for this to even happen tbh

[outer sky]

So blizzard gave this a green light, then changed their minds less than an hour after the kill?

[severe helm]

what were we just saying

[outer sky]

You right

[potent pivot]

probably gave it the green light without realizing what it actually was

[outer sky]

Sounds like something blizzard would do

[severe helm]

yeah thats what zac and I were saying

they probably asked it in a sneaky way

[brave estuary]

wat enchants for weapons as sub? both acuity of rendorie?

[potent pivot]

#1283780831147589713

1rendorei 1 mastery should be better

[brave estuary]

ah ok thx

[hybrid palm]

Well my day was made, n to naysayers who said win traders don't exist at low rank

[potent pivot]

[dark moon]

im so high on copium right now I need to take a nap

[hybrid palm]

Imagine the opposition:D thinking it's copium lmao

[vague latch]

i meannnnnn practically speaking there's a weakaura for life-gripping/rescuing people out of the circles on crown if those pesky lua based weakaura coders were still around

scuffed augh reset button move lol

[hybrid palm]

Literally, blizz has actioned people n I'm simply presenting evidence

Only thing I harked backed to was when I personally struggled at low ranks, but this is confirmation that win trading exists n is confirmed by Blizzard. This was on my feral alt at 1300 rating btw .

[steady grail]

should we have 4 set piece+ offpiece or all 5 sets items

and whicho ne can we skip

[quick temple]

Any truth to this 160k BTE?

[hybrid rapids]

Wdym shadowmeld is no more valuable, wasnt nelf bis before cause shadowmeld?

[dark moon]

You sound like you know nothing about the wintrading that's been happening in shuffle/blitz/3s on all rating. Game is pretty much corrupted since day 1.

That's why we meme on the report, because it doesn't do anything. Sorry to burst your bubble

I meant to say "good job dude, keep it up"

[gusty hedge]

[glass isle]

pvp feels so good rn on sub

running double dps trinket

i just blow people up

[gusty hedge]

yup! open world and bgs people just melt

[vocal surge]

Its possible 100%

[balmy shuttle]

In PvE? Surely. Or vs orb/flag carriers.

[stoic spruce]

Luck and a little cheese

Mostly luck

[hushed radish]

how do you kill a disc priest? I'm trying to learn PvP, and I was pumping everything into this guy but it wouldn't die

stuns, interrupts, everything. 3 people couldn't kill him

[gleaming sentinel]

You stack the bte buff then get ready to pop with an adrenaline rush + super charger bang bang

[rare vector]

sub bros we are NOT using set gloves aned chest?

[noble zodiac]

we use what we can get and go from there

[gusty hedge]

sub is running 4 piece, head/shoulders/gloves/legs

[dark kernel]

You are only not using chest

Speaking of, next week I think I get crafted chest

The big mastery stock

[rare vector]

tfw trying to juggle pvp and dragonslaying

[gusty hedge]

i lvld a 2nd sub rogue,

min haste full mastery+eng

[gusty hedge]

dragon slaying?!

[rare vector]

@gusty hedgeI just want mount from m+ this season but my pve gear is so bad. So I am considering buying conq chest and gloves and turn it into set piece lol

[graceful minnow]

Hey what weapon enchant should i be running as sub for pvp? ive seen a few different ones when looking

[dark kernel]

I want to try more mastery, but I've been successful with high haste

[dark kernel]

Rendorei is safest. It's just agi

You can't go wrong

I'm pretty sure anyway that's what I'm doing

[gleaming sentinel]

No rush to PvP. Deflated as hell. Good time to pve while it’s hot

Although I might jump into some blitz this weekend

[rare vector]

Yeah I will do it, thanks

[rare vector]

I saw like 3 rogues with weapon chain on offhand. Does it even work?

[dark kernel]

No but it did if you had it on already

[jaunty osprey]

1 rendorei, 1 mastery

Is what everyone SHOULD be doing

[spring bough]

The dark side….

[proven field]

https://klipy.com/gifs/greys-anatomy-addison-montgomery-16

[stoic spruce]

And to think I thought highly of you servo

[vocal surge]

smh

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-scroll-crying-depression-doomscrolling-gif-4138822033792608878

[dark kernel]

I do not judge you friend

Whaazz even says that people are braindead to play Sub over WW the gap is tht big

We're still rogues

[proven field]

Eh we just joshing you - you play what’s fun (it’s assa)

[scarlet nest]

more like outlaw supremacy

[balmy shuttle]

I just had a 1.8xp sub rog in my 2.8 blitz lobby

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/once-an-outlaw-always-an-outlaw-danteh-hydration-outlaws-you-cant-escape-being-an-outlaw-gif-19138825

[molten hedge]

Long shift

[gleaming sentinel]

I’m not a rank 1 player, I play the spec I like idc

And when I put a fotm chaser in th dirt it’s that much sweeter. If I lose to a sub? I’m supposed to

[gusty hedge]

feels nice to have that extra cheap shot

sucks that im liking this shit

[balmy shuttle]

feels nice to have kill potential in a kidney

[gusty hedge]

im legit playing sub like i was playing crackshot outlaw just without the hook

[molten hedge]

whered the name servogod come from

looks like something id see in CoD

[turbid dawn]

Are we going 4 set on assa?

[dark moon]

What does 4 set give

[dark moon]

Pin says 2 set for assa

[turbid dawn]

Garrote's Energy cost is reduced by 10. Mutilate, Ambush and Fan of Knives deal 25% increased damage to targets affected by your weapon poisons

[dark moon]

That would be halved in pvp

If there's a meme fok build I'd try it with 4 piece

[gleaming pawn]

In general if you’re one-tricking Assa then 2 set. But if you plan on swapping around with Sub then just go 4 set

[crude mason]

Is there any other way to earn bloody tokens beside the chest that flies in every now and then?

[lime oar]

won’t make a huge difference i’m going 4 set because i play both. once we’re fully geared just craft pieces to min max assa build

[gusty hedge]

dnt really remember tbh servo turned into servogod one day, vaguely remember but i think someone called me that after a game and it stuck
funny cuz that was my gamertag on ps4 for cod too

pretty much anygame id run with SerVo or SerVoGoD lol

[dark kernel]

I've never managed to get my OG name Slitthroat except on dead aervers

[halcyon timber]

Yes, all world quests give 100 bloody tokens (observe the log after completing a quest)

[lime oar]

i still pronounce it “Slight Lohel” despite you explaining that it was Slit lol

[dark kernel]

I just need to change it here I don't know why I don't

There

[grave basin]

so what are we expecting for the tuning tonight

is sub gonna get nuked

will pink class not be shuffle meta since 10.0.7

[rough rock]

Someone is paying for sub not to get nuked so I doubt it

[dark kernel]

I expect absolutely zero notes on subs

Complaints have died down

[rough rock]

Even a 15% overall nerf didn’t hurt them lmao that should say everything

[dark kernel]

The nerf didn't feel like a nerf because we got weapons the same week

It offset it

That will be different in the following 5 weeks as everyone gets to full epics and total HP pool inflate

[gusty hedge]

im memeing with my 2nd sub rogue, slow offhander so ican still Meme Mastery Outlaw Build Found a Win Win

[dark kernel]

I'm legit tearful at the damage loss you are experiencing

[gusty hedge]

i havent done it yet! but def will , i have one thats already nicely built for it ! lol but just so im able to do both ill be happy! forgot how hard mastery slaps at times ! Memeing all around lol

crate farming rn almost capped

[gleaming pawn]

Servo larping Pikaboo just feeling out gearing by vibes

[dark kernel]

I still want to make a balls to the wall haste Rogue and run like 35% haste as sub

I'll probably do it once conquest is unlocked I just want to see what it'll look like

I think mastery is already winning out though

[gusty hedge]

IM pretty much gonan test that out on one of my outlaw rogues, just swap specs and see since i have haste verse on almost every piece

dnt think id lvl a 3rd sub rogue lol

[dark kernel]

Yeah I wouldnt

I'm currently on the hunt in lfg

Trying to find people who want to push long term for glad this season

[molten hedge]

by who? not many ppl are doing the mastery route. although i am going to try it as well

[gusty hedge]

speaking of Pikaboo

[proven field]

Assa 4p kinda pathetic unfortunately imo… and I play blindside.. I might try just to see but generally mut is like 2% of our dmg profile so.. like <1% buff

[spring bough]

How often do you watch this

[gusty hedge]

[rough rock]

“Wait this guys dueling me”

JJK explains the dudes death 😭

I wish more wow streamers actually talked rotation and gamesense while playing lmao. Pikas fun vibe is unmatched

[lime oar]

aura farming on pika stream is crazy, i love that toy btw legit only reason to do those delve bosses

[gusty hedge]

^^ New delve victory and last seasons can stack too its nice !

still cant beat it on ?? but grinding for better pve gear

[lime oar]

yeah idc about ??, the normal difficulty gives the toy this season too?

what’s it look like

[gleaming sentinel]

ggotta abuse tricks on final phas and pump lol

[dark kernel]

I heard this season's boss was not bad I haven't got to try it yet at all

[lilac sigil]

Does anyone have problem with DynamicMacros? Sometimes it works sometimes not like totally random

[gusty hedge]

thats prolly where im going wrong tbh was using trickster and have it upp 100% of the time lol

ill try without it maybe i can live passed phase 2

[gusty hedge]

yeah let me post

[gusty hedge]

i hear healers got it ez mode, same with spriest saying its free

my valeera almost lvl 50 too lol

just been pumpin out 11s like nothing

[dark kernel]

I did my first couple 11s

My Valera is still level 20

I freaking hate delves I would rather just do Mythic plus and I don't even like doing that

[gritty carbon]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[gusty hedge]

i cant even get invited to a group xD but i still need to learn boss fights anyway

[dark kernel]

You just need some non idiots. I'm legit #2 on DPS every dungeon and that's only because my RL friend is #1 and he's an autistic MM hunter

[gusty hedge]

haha! thats how i am but in heroics lmao always top but half these people arent geared
im like 260 ilvl from delves and vault

[dark kernel]

I'm sitting dead at 250. If I get groups or something I'll grab you but I only do a few a week

[gusty hedge]

i kept hearing about the M+ mount havent seen it but i want it lmao,
really on trying to gear to do ?? Delve or even do H raid, havent done pve in forever tbh, every xpac straight pvp/wpvp

[spring bough]

10s aren’t bad. Can do it in the 260s probably 250s even if you get invited lol

Outlaw doing some decent overalls in keys

[gusty hedge]

i prolly can! but im still nub in pve haha and the main thing is i dont know any boss fights past heroics. havent done a single m0 yet either xD

[spring bough]

Just DL bigwigs and little wigs and watch what your team does for mechs. Ez pz

Mechs don’t even feel like they exist in 10s lol

Academy last boss probably the only one that’ll really fk you up mechanics wise lol

[gusty hedge]

i got those too!
thats the one i keep hearing about or seeing post on x / youtube

last one i seen tho this boomkin going crazy on it

[spring bough]

They fixed the one mech so it doesn’t instantly drop and you can place it better. Should be easier now

[dark kernel]

260 ilvl is enough to do the raid on Heroic qlready

[quick temple]

plz blizzard buff hidden opportunity tonight

and killing spree Amen

[potent pivot]

It’s called sleep man

It’s that thing some people do after work

[maiden gull]

dont dream

outlaw will get a pve aura boost

thats it

we can hope for 12.1

since 0.5 is already realease candidate

[quick temple]

Dont dream is such a depressing pairing of words

[maiden gull]

sorry mate

[sharp sierra]

im so disappointed. just started playing rogue this week and its so much fun but i have a good feeling sub will get nuked from orbit in patch notes tonight making all 3 specs unviable lol

i hope the nerf we see this weekend is tiny

[maiden gull]

nah

i dont think sub will get much

maybe 5% nerf

thats it

[sharp sierra]

i can tell you that you can no longer kill ANYONE in one go after last week's nerf

i think they might remove a charge from cheap shot

or increase its cooldown to like a minute or two

[gleaming sentinel]

sub rogue is far from unviable rofl stop it

[sharp sierra]

can you read?

i said after the nerfs

reading is hard, i know

[gleaming sentinel]

what nerfs?

[sharp sierra]

from the notes tonight

we're 100% seeing another round of nerfs

[potent pivot]

Lol..

[sharp sierra]

i love rogue and am enjoying it a lot but lets be real, people are complaining enough that blizzard will hear it and act on it