pvp

[stoic spruce]

shocker

[rough rock]

:D

[stoic spruce]

naturally he feels like a victim

[rough rock]

feel weird not just running at people like i would with outlaw

[outer sky]

How is this possible? 6 rounds were played but only 3 killing blows happened?

[rough rock]

kinda screwed up dance a few times

[rough rock]

i think the warrior talent?

thats who died the most

[outer sky]

Oh lmao

"Kill or be killed"

[stoic spruce]

wish it said the death count

[outer sky]

Yeah thatll do it

[stoic spruce]

death counts are too toxic in the gaming industry now it seems

[rough rock]

the prot was like non exsistent

low rating but still

[outer sky]

I have an addon that tells me all that shit

Its been super useful ever since blizzard got rid of addons

[stoic spruce]

I stopped playing prot when they changed thunderstruck to DR with itself

[rough rock]

Should i be wasting both dances with blades? Or is it like a 50/50 thing were sometimes you do and sometimes you dont

[spring bough]

guys devourer no star goes so hard in shuffle lol

all these insta casts goes crazy

[dark kernel]

Have you done threes

[agile kite]

How big are incoming rogue nerfs

[dark kernel]

Not bad, but you will probably notice it

[spring bough]

not yet just shuff/blitz

[outer sky]

You shouldn't be "wasting" any dances at all

[dark moon]

do you play with precog or

[potent pivot]

~15%

[spring bough]

nah only consume can be interrupted... devour cant. i play with the CC % one

[spring bough]

ez clapping 5-1 shuffle lol... almost to 1900 XD

1 button spam champ with a 30 yard interrupt healers hating it so much XD

[warped gate]

Fellas, anyone know how many points Conquest goes up each week?

[warped gate]

I leveled a Ret, got him all geared up and everything but then was like ehhh, I miss my Outlaw and came back.

Even when you SEE an Outlaw and you're like wtf are you doing bro?

[potent pivot]

800

[spring bough]

maybe once i get the illusion ill play outlaw some

[rough rock]

im talking about using them

during blades

if im supposed to use both charges most of the time during the window

[warped gate]

And I'm like oh hell nah, I need to get back on my Outlaw and show these fucks how it's done.

[warped gate]

Thanks.

Lemme do the math..

Okay lit, I get 4P next week.

I was barely off of getting a non-700 piece this week, so I was curious.

[warped gate]

Are you that new DH spec?

[spring bough]

oh yeah lol

[warped gate]

I thought it looked cool, but as I was leveling it it just felt dull, and the ones I fought in Shuffle seemed kinda ass.

[spring bough]

It doesn’t feel good until level 90

[warped gate]

I was wondering where was the nukes and just wrote it off as a fluke.

[spring bough]

Devour is the nukes

Crits over 100k and it’s instant cast after a reap

[warped gate]

Can't say I'm surprised, they don't even try anymore when it comes to leveling.

[spring bough]

And Devour CDRs reap too

Playing hasted and double charge reap too

[warped gate]

https://youtu.be/8sj8Fj4nTo4

Perfect video on that.

We all know that it's always been like that, but at least as you leveled you got abilities in an order that makes sense.

I'm getting talents for abilities that I won't get in a double-digit amount of levels and shit.

[warped gate]

Ahhhhh.

If DH wasn't 3edgy5me, I'd definitely have gave it a more earnest shot.

I don't want to play a character who literally has no eyes with demon magic leaking out of the empty sockets.

My perma-mog is a hawaiian shirt.

I'm not about that life.

[rough rock]

0-6 after going 6-0

[dark moon]

Perfectly balanced, like all things should be

[potent pivot]

What level would we be if we never squished?

[normal barn]

what are everyone's thoughts on the incomming sub changes?

[potent pivot]

150? 160?

[dark moon]

Legion was 110?

[potent pivot]

Some are coping that it won’t be that bad. You’ll definitely notice the difference though imo

[normal barn]

bad enough that we'll all be switching to outlaw?

[potent pivot]

We will be stun bots before that ever happens

[spring bough]

we got squished at what 120?

or what woulda been

[potent pivot]

Idr

[dark moon]

Bfa was level 120

Then shadowlands was 60

[spring bough]

so if SL shoulda been 130... DF 140 TWW 150 midnight 160?

[dark moon]

So ye, 160

That's looking better than 90

Do you guys love the game being alt friendly or did you prefer it when it wasnt?

[potent pivot]

We’d be doing 10b dps

[spring bough]

200 boxes later finally got a free helio gem

[potent pivot]

Alt friendly is too good. But it’s so easy for dumbasses to fotm reroll

So they never get good at any one class

[dark moon]

Cause ive been thinking about it, and im liking that i can collect all elite sets in under a week, but im starting to think that having a main main and people not swapping constantly felt better for the game

And i kinda miss that

[potent pivot]

Yeh

[rough rock]

YO I CLUTCHED AND ONLY WENT 1-6 BIG MOVES

[dark moon]

200? Damn they were dropping more often in tww feels like

[spring bough]

ive already played 400 shuffle rounds and 49 blitz games....

[warped gate]

Sounds like Shuffle to me.

[dark moon]

My. Gawd

What do you do as dev in blitz?

[rough rock]

make everyone cry in mid

[spring bough]

Go to clashes and dump dmg

AoE stun

[rough rock]

Im loving the control of sub....but already wanting to try out outlaw in shuffle instead of blitz now lol

[spring bough]

AoE fear

[dark moon]

Do you play star in blitz?

[rough rock]

are you really doing 1 button rotation?

[warped gate]

Sub reminds me of the rare piece of good advice my dad gave me: "I never tried crack because shit, I might like it." If I try it out, I might never go back to Outlaw.

[dark moon]

I played 4 dungeons as outlaw and my wrist started hurting

Not sure how you guys do it in pvp

[vocal surge]

Now imagine that in last expac's version of Outlaw

where Adrenaline rush was up 100% and we had Vanish coming up every like 20 or so seconds

[spring bough]

no been doing no star in it all

[spring bough]

no lol

[outer sky]

Noticeable but not that bad. You'll still crank during dance. Especially after getting 4 set and conq weapons

[potent pivot]

[spring bough]

Get ur DH ready trickz

[outer sky]

@warped gate ignore him

Hes dooming out of habit

I ran the numbers

[crisp imp]

!opener

[gleaming sentinel]

i cant play anything else

grappling HOOKED on outlaw

[rough rock]

aoe cap never bothers you?

[outer sky]

Ironically this is the thing I dislike most about outlaw

I HATE not having targeted mobility

[spring bough]

Slow ass hook 😭

[outer sky]

This too its nerfed af

[gleaming sentinel]

assa last expac i did quite a bit, but like... hoping a tank would let me restealth made me wanna jump off abridge

[rough rock]

i love when my hook doesnt register a flat piece of ground and uses the charge anyways

[spring bough]

Sin losing AoE silence never playing it again 😂

[gleaming sentinel]

lol no doubt

[spring bough]

Rogues got two specs lmao

[outer sky]

It didnt have that for very long

And that was way more impactful in BG team fights

[spring bough]

I only played sin when it had that lol

[rough rock]

i just want more cc man

[spring bough]

Went 5-1 and then 4-2 and only get 20 rating from 4 wins???? Shuffle mmr bonked asf

[gleaming sentinel]

do u play double vanish?

[rough rock]

no

[potent pivot]

Your numbers don’t mean anything though

[outer sky]

Okay bro lmao

[potent pivot]

You only looked at the math for a singular talent

Didn’t take into account any other modifiers on spells or clone damage at all

[outer sky]

You dont know what I have and haven't done

[potent pivot]

Less than +3% damage in blades makes up for ~15% nerfs?

That’s beyond cope

[outer sky]

Yeah this right here is the root of why youre wrong

Youre dooming

For no reason

Nobody else is doing this

And for good reason

Lmao

[gleaming sentinel]

i swear double vanish is the move

[potent pivot]

???

[gritty hemlock]

Rogue gettn nerfed ? I swear it needa buff

[potent pivot]

Like I told you

[outer sky]

Its not that bad trickz is fried af

[potent pivot]

We’ll see next week

[outer sky]

Dooming out of habit

[spring bough]

Can’t wait to see sub do poopoo dmg next week

[gritty hemlock]

What does that mean

[potent pivot]

I’m not even dooming

I’m telling it like it is

[outer sky]

Okay man

[gritty hemlock]

Is trick good because its fried or bad

[outer sky]

Bad

Very bad

Bad trickz!

[rough rock]

i notice dazed is the only one that runs it

havent tried it personally

[gritty hemlock]

Ohh ur talking about the guy trickz

Im talkn bout the game gee

[outer sky]

Its a good talent if you dont need disarm

[stoic spruce]

a R1 I know says Dazed was extremely tanky when he fought him. Maybe theres something to it.

[rough rock]

losing recup seems bad

but then again

[stoic spruce]

im not one to question Dazed

[rough rock]

doesnt feel like it does much

[gritty hemlock]

what is recup

[stoic spruce]

also true

[gritty hemlock]

?

[stoic spruce]

SnD heal

they finally fixed it

[spring bough]

Bring back maneuverability pls

[gritty hemlock]

ok

[stoic spruce]

but granted it does nothing

[rough rock]

if i @ him will he be mad

[outer sky]

This really should just be baked into sprint by default at this point.

[stoic spruce]

I doubt it

[gritty hemlock]

Does anyone use the tea and more vigor because they run out of energy ?

[potent pivot]

Outlaw has pistol shot DR right

[gritty hemlock]

Or am i trolling?

[rough rock]

bro theres like 7 dazes in here hahaha

[potent pivot]

And danger sense

[stoic spruce]

not anymore

[potent pivot]

Sub doesn’t need energy

[gritty hemlock]

I feel like i run out of energy like a mad man

[stoic spruce]

irl Roll the Bones

[gritty hemlock]

Maybe im spamming too much

[potent pivot]

Outside of dance energy doesn’t matter

[gritty hemlock]

You save for tht?

[potent pivot]

What

[gritty hemlock]

You dont attack while ur out of dance

[potent pivot]

You do

[gritty hemlock]

huh

[rough rock]

this one right

[outer sky]

Are you playing Shadowcraft?

[gritty hemlock]

No

[potent pivot]

I’m saying that being low on energy outside of dance does not matter

[outer sky]

Well lol

[potent pivot]

What

[outer sky]

Problem diagnosed

[stoic spruce]

im not sure lol

[gritty hemlock]

Say swear

[potent pivot]

What cooked build are you playing

[gritty hemlock]

You dont wanna know

THIS WAS A TEST

[outer sky]

You failed

[potent pivot]

There’s a build in the pins

[outer sky]

This has Shadowcraft?

[stoic spruce]

if Tricks were asleep I'd tell you to ping them all and see what happens

[gritty hemlock]

where

[potent pivot]

This is bad in many ways

[outer sky]

Very bottom second to the left

[potent pivot]

No Deeper Strat

[gritty hemlock]

Im gonna look in pins

Ik its cooked

But im trying to do better

[outer sky]

Just copy my build

[gritty hemlock]

I think I was using this one

Im losing energy

and sitting like a duck

half way through

But im also doing alot of stuff wrong

[outer sky]

Youre losing energy during dance?

[gritty hemlock]

So i tried tea

[outer sky]

Or outside of it

[gritty hemlock]

outside

[outer sky]

Ok thats normal

Youre not trying to kill anyone outside of dance

I mean if you can then great

But usually outside of dance im just getting combo points for a kidney

While I wait for DRs

[gritty hemlock]

Ok

Im also seeing

different type of cc

I knew about dr but didnt know there are different types

[potent pivot]

Every cc school has its own dr

Stun, fear, incap, etc

[gritty hemlock]

Definitely been cc'ing wrong

How long yall been playing wow?

Just curious

[potent pivot]

Too long

[gritty hemlock]

Its a good game

glad u still got progress on it

[potent pivot]

Sometimes

[spring bough]

vanilla beta.... RIP

[gritty hemlock]

GYAT

Yall gotta know all the sauce by now

lucky

mf's

I gotta learn

like 50 differenct classes

tf is this

[stoic spruce]

too dousand fuhr

[gritty hemlock]

🫃

[gritty hemlock]

MY BOIII

[stoic spruce]

I was a wee lad

killing mobs with a throwing knife and getting mad that nothing was dying

[outer sky]

Since 2007.....

[potent pivot]

Just learn incrementally. Can learn most of the important stuff in a couple months with a lot of practice

[gritty hemlock]

Yeah this is my first month

But ive been having alot of fun

I have friends i play w too but they dont pvp

and yall the goats so

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-i-want-more-and-i-know-i-shouldnt-anakin-skywalker-gif-23940512

iykyk >:)

[rough rock]

@pearl bane sir are you daze on murlok leaderbored

[potent pivot]

[rough rock]

bro theres like 7 dazes here 😭

[outer sky]

Just curious, were you deterred from playing WoW for the last 22 years because of how many addons the game had? And now that there's finally fewer you decided to subscribe to the game? Or did that have nothing to do with it?

[potent pivot]

That is dazed ya

[rough rock]

okay w trying to see why he doesnt run recup

hes the only one

[potent pivot]

What’s the other option

[rough rock]

he runs vanish

[potent pivot]

Vanish gud

[rough rock]

popo said some r1 said he was super tanky but just wondering why that is

[outer sky]

well vanish has a heal tied to it

[rough rock]

i guess i havent been tracking recup healing

[outer sky]

so having 2

could make someone tanky

[potent pivot]

I’m pretty sure pistol shot DR is back

@stoic spruce

[gritty hemlock]

Honestly

[potent pivot]

Might be on .5 PTR

Eridian said it was added back with no notes

And it’s stronger than it used to be

[gritty hemlock]

I think that before midnight there was SOO much this game had I played for legit 1 week last maybe 2 years ago? N the amount of content it had I feel ike I was so far behind I just couldnt even get a grip on what was going on

The game didnt show me anything really

I learned from people

N im still so far behind idek where the good sources are for information theres hella different sites

I dont think any add ons did anything to harm me

[stoic spruce]

oh dang okay

thats cool actually

[potent pivot]

“Outlaw has no defense” . This went away in the last 2 builds then returned in this build but stronger. Used to cap out at 15.8%. (The pistol shot dr) (ramps from 4% to 28%)

Also :

• Danger sense is another undocumented change but reduces damage by 25% - not 20%

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1178161079856140370/1487346951048663050/Pistolshot_DR_27.png?ex=69c9780a&is=69c8268a&hm=5681a26e38ae34557b9b61040f4823aa52deedb92e1f0b9c0383ef9cdbf0b58c&

[stoic spruce]

oh damn

thats baked into the ability?

[potent pivot]

I guess so

Couldn’t find anything about it on wowhead

[stoic spruce]

well now the question remains

[gritty hemlock]

What ui's do you guys use?

[stoic spruce]

is it specific to the target?

[potent pivot]

There’s an addon pin

[spring bough]

love seeing win trading healers popping CDs before match

[warped gate]

Mid-Class I think?

[severe helm]

I think this is a tooltip bug

[warped gate]

Half a year later TBC came out.

[potent pivot]

Don’t think so

[severe helm]

ill ask solo

[potent pivot]

Might be specific to the PTR

[severe helm]

that would be an egregiously op change to randomly stealth put in

oh this isnt live

[potent pivot]

But I don’t think Eridian would’ve told me without testing it either

[severe helm]

very strange change tbh considering we cant aoe spread PS debuff really

wonder what the purpose of that is

28% is kinda too high

[warped gate]

Bring it on, I'm down to get nerfed into the ground again.

[potent pivot]

After losing CDR on defensives?

Doesn’t seem that crazy to me idk

[severe helm]

28% passive dr on only the target you have ps on

is super weird

cuz itll drop

or if your kill target isnt the dangerous target you wont have it on who you want

feels like a bad design

[stoic spruce]

its baked into the ability already allegedly

[rough rock]

is it stacking?

like thats out now or?

[severe helm]

bro

it says 5000%

thats not functional lol

thats a tooltip bug for sure

[stoic spruce]

highest I got was 4,091

[rough rock]

okay delete the screenshots

[potent pivot]

Lmfao

[severe helm]

yeah tooltip bug

[stoic spruce]

imagine though

[severe helm]

so when reading through the modifiers of a spell a tooltip just fills with the next data it sees

so when they removed the DR field from PS

it now looks at the next data stored in the ability info

which is prob attack power or damage or something

[rough rock]

im cool with 5000% more damage

we might be able to do 50k now!

[severe helm]

also @potent pivot it says 27651 not 28%

just a bug

would be sick to have the enemy heal me when they attack me from so much dr lol

[potent pivot]

@halcyon timber

[severe helm]

might be a case of people thinking comma is decimal point

[rough rock]

wait so then the number means nothing or supposed to mean something else

[severe helm]

I know thats a thing in EU

[severe helm]

its reading data from another field of the ability

like damage or attack power or something

[rough rock]

Like the value is stored or its reading from something else

im a bit confused

[severe helm]

its reading a different field

it used to read for the damage reduction field

but that field got deleted

and they probably didnt update the tooltip

so it went to the next field in the object

which is probably attack power or damage or something

[rough rock]

oh okay that makes more sense

only now confused what exactly its reading to be that high of a number

oh thats the mystery part

[gritty hemlock]

Ik this is off topic but yall ahve been helping me so I feel this is where i can ask.

If i am making a new cahracter what is the best way to lvl to cap ? I already have a max lvl character I just wanna lvl another one > Thanks!

[severe helm]

could be this maths

idk

[gritty hemlock]

Do i do delves? That is what I heard I could do

[severe helm]

could be some other random shit

[severe helm]

delves are fast yeah

questing is also fast

[gritty hemlock]

Even at lvl 1?

[severe helm]

if you get an addon like "follow the arrow"

oh at lvl 1 you cant do delves

will need to do the campaign I believe

[gritty hemlock]

I did

[rough rock]

Follow the arrow is the goat

[gritty hemlock]

this 2nd char

[potent pivot]

#1478034741302399250

[severe helm]

and youre still level 1?

[gritty hemlock]

ty

[severe helm]

oh

[gritty hemlock]

No this is my alt i ahve a rogue i wanna try mage

[rough rock]

Uhh follow the arrow has one i think for alliance side

nvm it doesnt

im sure theres another addon

[gritty hemlock]

So all in all\

quest

[rough rock]

wait he said hes not level 1

[gritty hemlock]

No i am

[rough rock]

i would wait till tuesday

[gritty hemlock]

I got a sub rogue lvl 90 and a new char

[rough rock]

timewalking comes back

[gritty hemlock]

What is that?

[stoic spruce]

training grounds a decent honor farm still?

[rough rock]

Timewalking is like old dungeons but everyone runs through them as fast as they can and everyone levels their alts through it so way faster ques

Plus has xp bonuses

[potent pivot]

You gotta try looking things up on YT

[rough rock]

Crate gives decent ngl

[potent pivot]

To see all the diff methods

Being so new to the game there’s a lot that’ll go over your head

[gritty hemlock]

Youtube

Heard

[stoic spruce]

cool gtk

but training grounds?

oh god crates how I didnt miss you

[gritty hemlock]

Srry for asking so many questions I appreciate all of your help

[stoic spruce]

np

[gritty hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-agree-okay-sir-salute-gif-9578196676067461585

[rough rock]

lmao crates are like 3x faster than before

[potent pivot]

Naw you’re fine

[rough rock]

thank god cause tww was horrible for timers

[potent pivot]

Just trying to save u some headache lol

[rough rock]

https://www.youtube.com/@Harldan1

check this guy out

he does most of the fast leveling stuff for both sides

then when you hit 80 do his FTA (Follow The Arrow) add on

[stoic spruce]

why are there housing tours in my pvp group finder?

the casuals are just rubbing it in atp

[rough rock]

lmao my gf has been doing those

[stoic spruce]

im sure theyre cool

but where my crate crew

[rough rock]

Horde?

[stoic spruce]

ye

[rough rock]

good fucking luck

[stoic spruce]

found one

jinx

[rough rock]

W

[stoic spruce]

owe me a coke

[rough rock]

What you gearing?

[stoic spruce]

outlaw

in case you didnt get it

[rough rock]

[stoic spruce]

damn they disbanded

I tried the training grounds during beta and the bots were OP

I sure hope they fixed that

[severe helm]

yeah we just got 3 capped by bots

they have like 200k more hp than us

like 700k for some reason

[stoic spruce]

welp

[spring bough]

Yes

What we talking bout

[stoic spruce]

honor farming

and training grounds

[spring bough]

Regular Que way more honor

[stoic spruce]

dw I dont have leveling greens

just leveling blues :)

[spring bough]

People just sit afk and then u almost lose and have to do the most

[stoic spruce]

oh free trinket

[severe helm]

nah we just legit lost

[spring bough]

Oh we get a free hero level honor level amulet Tuesday

[rough rock]

did you see our new buffs?

[stoic spruce]

LOLOL

[spring bough]

Nice edit

[rough rock]

(real)

[stoic spruce]

I already forgot

[severe helm]

p sure this ones been around since pre patch

iirc

[stoic spruce]

(not click bait)

(gone sexual at 3am)

[severe helm]

do skirms count for this?

[spring bough]

Training grounds do

[severe helm]

I cant win training grounds

do skirms count

[spring bough]

Random BG I don’t think skirms do

Brawl does

[stoic spruce]

gyat dayum

no they did not fix it lol

[potent pivot]

Wut

[spring bough]

Bro people afk it now

Like AB. 6 sitting afk the other day when I played at BS

[potent pivot]

Lmao

[hybrid sapphire]

good evening rogues whats the good news

[potent pivot]

We don’t get any of that

Too busy “dooming”

[spring bough]

rogue buffs? where??

[hybrid sapphire]

im askin!

[gritty hemlock]

Rogue buff gotta be otw

[rough rock]

We hear you, we are buffing rapid fire to now not only target and hit you through walls, but will now hit any rogue at the start of the que before the gates open

[severe helm]

we got 3 capped on gilneas

[stoic spruce]

these are NOT comp stomp bots

[jolly sierra]

they were

[stoic spruce]

I got more from losing an EBG

[jolly sierra]

but they git gud

[safe mural]

bro.

dead game or

[hybrid sapphire]

love seeing wow localized

[warped gate]

Just had one of the best Solo Shuffle rounds ever, was hard af, and eventually we clutched it out. Went out the gate for round two and flopped, turned out healer never left lobby, then round three he d/c's.

Another 15 minute queue.

[safe mural]

see

[warped gate]

*rainbow hands*

WoW PvP~

[safe mural]

nothing in queue

nothing in world wide

[halcyon timber]

Yeah after further review it's just an odd bug on the tooltip. It is reducing by 5% as intended but still undocumented.

• it's reading fields as a tooltip error. Still stacks with Elusiveness / Danger Sense / Deadened Nerves et al.

[severe helm]

its not 5% either

that was removed

[warped gate]

tf

So the fact they added it means they recognize that we need some survivability at least.

[halcyon timber]

Produce system logs to be sure. Trust but verify.

[severe helm]

it wasnt added

it just was never changed

but yeah idk if people actually tested it or not to see if they forgot to remove it

but they did explicitly delete the talent that gave it so

solo would know

[gritty hemlock]

I peaked

[rough rock]

WWWWW

[rough rock]

que for ashran and do the quest for 1000 honor

[rough rock]

rating?

my shuffle ques were like 5 min back to back

[safe mural]

rating in blitz

26min estimation

[gritty hemlock]

@rough rock do you use arena core?

[rough rock]

nope

i use sarena

I got 1600 on my sub, now to do it on my outlaw

[gritty hemlock]

reloaded?

[terse cedar]

Funnest alts for sub rogue? Wanna try so something different but unsure what'd be fun, maybe a ranged

[warped gate]

roflashran

[warped gate]

I hit 1600 with ease, then just consistently got my cheeks clapped after that.

Now I'm hovering around 1500, shit is cray.

[safe mural]

it's a majority US serv ?

[rough rock]

yee

[rough rock]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-prime-invincible-omni-man-gif-3474718432791073197

[rough rock]

might have been a healer diff

[potent pivot]

Arena core >>

@spring bough was right all along

[spring bough]

Might look like Ai but it works lmao

[potent pivot]

Well I put mine on the venruki profile and then tweaked it more

So it legit just looks like a cleaner gladius

[gritty hemlock]

Which profile do you use can you slide me it

[potent pivot]

the venruki profile is in the addon's settings

can send mine when i get on, its very similar cuz i just used that one and changed a couple things

@severe helm

liquid has a way to track debuffs however they want apparently? or

[gritty hemlock]

ok

[severe helm]

The thing on the right?

[potent pivot]

yeah

[severe helm]

Could be something triggered by an event in the blizz raid timeline thing

Like it might not be tracking the actual debuff but they start it when something else happens

If that makes sense

Or they just know something everyone else doesn't haha

But yeah LOTS of weak auras in the race

Echo has some crazy ones for telling players what to do for mechanics

[potent pivot]

yeah max was saying they basically have all the same exact shit as before minus 1 thing

which is just auto assignment computationals

[severe helm]

Yeeeeeeeup

It's almost like this is what everyone said would happen

[last jasper]

am I tripping or sarena stopped showing trinkets for some reason?

[severe helm]

Raiders and addon makers are smarter than blizzard

Blizz will never win

[potent pivot]

which sarena are you using

[severe helm]

Ion even said so

"we will lose in a war on add-ons"

[potent pivot]

i just want to be able to whitelist/blacklist buffs and debuffs again

[severe helm]

Saaaaame dude same

[potent pivot]

change their size/highlighting on frames, etc

[last jasper]

I swear it did before

[potent pivot]

i think you have to get the wago app to get this sarena now

because the maker of sarena reloaded got the maker of that sarena banned from curse

i just use arena core for now

prolly gonna switch back to it

[last jasper]

hmm.. and the default arena frames still don't show diminishing, right?

[potent pivot]

idek

haven't tried using that slop

[rough rock]

I use the one from curse and it works

[last jasper]

it was workign for me before too

[potent pivot]

its not on curse anymore

[rough rock]

I use sarena reloaded

[last jasper]

idk what version of it is on curse but this one is updated for 12.0.1

[potent pivot]

yeah fuck that buggy mess

[rough rock]

[potent pivot]

you have a version that isn't and can't be updated

[last jasper]

idk, it says it was updated 3.18 last time

[potent pivot]

the one i posted from wago was updated 3.22

i'm tellin ya

sammers is no longer on curseforge

[waxen meteor]

are there tunings next week?

run into pikaboo again

[potent pivot]

there was a tuning post yesterday

[potent pivot]

wago one shows it all

[last jasper]

Damn, trickz. What's wrong with the reloaded? 🤣

[potent pivot]

trinkets/DRs disappearing after first shuffle match, multiple things

[last jasper]

Mine too. just stopped showing only trinkets. And I was messing with profiles yesterday. Idk maybe I broke it

[vale basalt]

What arena addon are we using these days? Is gladius still functional or something else now?

[potent pivot]

arena core

[vale basalt]

Ty Trickz

[last jasper]

Just wanted a few quick games before heading out. Sadge

[last jasper]

It still use old icons for diminishing or it's just for "test"?

[vale basalt]

Do we still get a pvp tier set? With the removal of the pvp row of great vault not sure if just run over tier or a different way

[potent pivot]

just test unless you replace the icon files

[potent pivot]

ya

[vale basalt]

*pve tier, not sure why that autocorrected to "over tier" lol

[potent pivot]

this is my arena core profile

[potent pivot]

we use the same tier set, but with pvp ilvl

[vale basalt]

Does that require catalyzing conquest gear?

[potent pivot]

can catalyze conquest pieces into tier, or add pvp ilvl to pve tier with items you buy for conq

[vale basalt]

Those purple ribbons? Oh, no varnish, interesting

[waxen meteor]

Thanks!

Found it

Death Perception effects now increase finisher damage by 3% each in PvP combat (was 5%).
Replicating Shadows bonus damage for Shadow Clones reduced to 5% in PvP combat (was 15%).

death preception 2 level will be 6% vs 10% i guess?

[potent pivot]

ya

[waxen meteor]

but it compounds

[potent pivot]

yep

[abstract stratus]

so is this a nothing nerf

[potent pivot]

no

lmao

[waxen meteor]

no it's quite big

[potent pivot]

its around -15%

[waxen meteor]

yeah roughly

[potent pivot]

i would call that big personally

[waxen meteor]

dance has some other multiplier

i don't know how big the colne change is

[potent pivot]

clone damage was effectively nerfed twice by these changes

[waxen meteor]

in game damage meter tells me almost nothing

[potent pivot]

because clones do a % of ability damage

huh

[waxen meteor]

in a way it's a 10% - 11% feeling

[potent pivot]

[waxen meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/838744541497393152.gif?v=1

[abstract stratus]

so its looking like we gonna be back to mastery stack to maximize dam over longer dance?

[potent pivot]

dunno

doubt it changes much tbh

everyone says haste build/mast build but

even mast build takes haste

[ionic crown]

does ret dead?

[gilded gulch]

does anyone know what happens if you missed a week of the bg quest

[potent pivot]

i would assume you just have to do an extra week but no clue

is it even worth bothering to do

It’s an honor ilvl haste mastery neck that it gives

[gilded gulch]

ig depends if its honor or conq level

[potent pivot]

Pretty positive it’s honor level

[last jasper]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[last jasper]

So, the default arena frames do show everything just fine. Why would u even need sarena at this point?

[last jasper]

I think with upcoming nerfs, the haste is going to be better.

Or at least 12-15%

[hardy prairie]

any pvp macros? or me using mostly the macros from pve work?

(sub)

[gusty hedge]

any cc abilities u can use as a focus macro, one ez macro would be focus shadowstep kidney

[dark stump]

would be funny to play lock against this comp

[dark moon]

would be funny to play anything against this comp

grip into release spirit

[dark stump]

imagine trying to cast with destro lock and see 3 war going at u like an isekai truck

[tame barn]

Does anyone know where i can see the set pieces?

i think it was shift J (journal) and then idk where to go

[potent pivot]

https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=1987/motley-of-the-grim-jest

[tame barn]

ty

@potent pivot im following this,

do u know which 2 pieces are better to convert first?

also that piece of text assumes that in the end ill skip on the chest piece and convert the rest, is that good?

[potent pivot]

it doesn't really matter because you'll end up in the same place regardless

but #1283780831147589713

^has been pinned since week 1

[potent pivot]

yea

[tame barn]

ok thank u ❤️

[dark stump]

hmm it's a SV hunt

[dark moon]

i would log off

[tropic heron]

how bad is the nerf?

[dark stump]

10-12% if i remember they said

[tropic heron]

so are we fucked? 😄

[spring bough]

Sub cooked 🪦

[dark stump]

apparently the nerf on mm was only 3-5%

[potent pivot]

~15%

[tropic heron]

so do u think

still stier?

[gusty hedge]

Tier list are overrated!
Play what you like

[tropic heron]

well i like rogue not beeing poop

[stoic spruce]

Nah DW about it

Sub is still good

@gusty hedge running double vanish

Makes a world of difference imo

[spring bough]

As outlaw tho right lol

[stoic spruce]

Yeah ofc

I'm not a poser smh

[spring bough]

i feel like that was a stab smh

[stoic spruce]

Oh because we're rogues?

Ahahahaha

:|

[gleaming sentinel]

[spring bough]

ive had enough of valeera even w the pings pulling random shit

i just wish she had a damn pet par and i could set to passive

[last jasper]

yea, I lost it when I first time saw that. Chick just randomly run into a pack for 0 reason :

[spring bough]

we are fighting 2 mobs next to like 10

and she runs out 20 yards pulls them and comes back like what ??

[outer sky]

This is a really good idea tbh

[spring bough]

Heading to the boss. She is stealth. I’m skipping 3 packs. Last pack before boss I watch her unstealth and run right into them and attack…..

[crisp imp]

as sub from stealth, opener is CS -> blades+dance -> sec tec ?

and after that -> SS -> evi .. or even SS 2x for apex talent proc?

[abstract stratus]

become one with the rogue and feel the rotation in your bones

[crisp imp]

i will and kind of do. but i believe i sometimes mess up the start

[dark moon]

Just watched whaazz play ww in shuffle, and sub rogue should be buffed

[spring bough]

why tf do i get 0 delver progress from an 8 i thought u got it on all difficulties lol

[dark moon]

https://www.twitch.tv/whaazz/clip/SweetCrypticWalrusBudStar-0BTY1yyL4TS5dpMP

[dark moon]

Gotta be bountiful

[spring bough]

got it. finally rank 4... can finally get myth crests from these 11s

[dark stump]

hello darkness my old friend

[dark moon]

why are you doing random bgs?

[dark stump]

quest

[dark moon]

ugh

isnt it pointless

[dark stump]

what happened to spriest midnight

i don't see it that much and the rare one i see just get obliterated

[severe helm]

you def shouldnt be getting obliterated

[dark stump]

me or the sp ?

i was talking about the sp being obliterated

[severe helm]

oh yeah

that makes sense

[rough rock]

I forget to mention I tried it too and it’s insane

Only got 2 games in but it felt way nicer to have

Feel like SC is worthless on outlaw anyways

[ripe mesa]

Umm, so the the order to use ccs to keep someone from going somewhere the longest? Like we have blind, saps, gouge. Is there an order to annoy someone for the longest? Ive been sap, sap, blind, gouge then I think you can stun and vanish for max cc? But ive never pvped before so idk the longest way to annoy a mistweaver trying to get from a to b.

[dark moon]

Think you can get spark from the pvp sparks quests and other activities. Playing vs ruski premade is not on my bingo card

[stoic spruce]

yeah im a 2 vanisher now

[severe helm]

you cant gouge after sapping twice

theyre on the same dr

[gusty hedge]

i unlocked 4 and ahvent gotten a single mythic crest from 11 it lied to me ! and i ran out of coffer keys the last 2 11s no crest in gilded chest

[gusty hedge]

im running double vanish on my orc rogue its nice to have tbh. to get away or to vanish cheap/heal

[ripe mesa]

So thats why it didnt work. I just assumed so. So sap, sap, blind, stun is best I can do for annoyance/denial? It only came to mind cause of my last eots where I caught a mw rushing to try and help and I figured Id help more delaying them then trying to help myself

[severe helm]

you could just open on them

are they on a mount

[ripe mesa]

Look sir, this is a wendys.

[severe helm]

I dont understand what that means in this context

[ripe mesa]

And Im first time pvper and they were running circles around our team

[severe helm]

if you want to slow a healer getting from point A to point B

sap them twice

then open on them

go through your rotation force them to survive

they move slower that way

if they try to get away then I would blind

and vanish

and then sap them again after blind cuz they should drop combat

then you can open again and repeat

[ripe mesa]

Ohhh. Okok. Good to know.

[gusty hedge]

kidney blind sap sap too

[dark stump]

it seems they changed it

[outer sky]

If their teammate is actually going to die and you know the healer will have to trinket your next CC, pre-smoke bomb em

[dark moon]

did they? bummer

fun detected as always

[dark stump]

this my 4 loss in bg

https://giphy.com/gifs/scared-family-guy-stewie-cEOG7nGA7448M

[outer sky]

@rough rock

[rough rock]

[waxen meteor]

Hunter
Marksmanship
Developers’ notes: Marksmanship is a burst outlier, so we’re reducing the power of Aimed Shot and increasing sustained damage from other primary damage sources to keep it feeling powerful, while reducing the peaks of its burst.
Aimed Shot damage reduced by 10% in PvP combat.
Kill Shot and Black Arrow damage increased by 15% in PvP combat.
Rapid Fire damage increased by 15% in PvP combat.

hmmm

is this actually reducing burst at all?

[outer sky]

They don't really use kill shot and back arrow right now so the only meaningful buff is to rapid fire which ain't doing much right now.

[low hornet]

OK smart PVPers. Just dinged 90 on my sub rogue. Intend to just PVP on him. I’ve never just had a sole PVP toon but I have plenty of PVE option already.

Have about half honor gear so far.

What’s the optimal order of things to do to accelerate gearing/progress? I’ve seen the gearing FAQ, so I know what I’m after. But…

Do the weeklies? Training BGs? LFR to farm tier? What say you all?

Do I bother with delves?

[outer sky]

Don't need to do delves or anything

Just do the weekly quests

The pvp ones

And queue games to farm conq

[low hornet]

Awesome thanks, figured that was it. Value in LFR for tier? Or just use the catalyst on PVP gear only?

[outer sky]

You can farm lfr tier so catalyst charges start dropping for you if you want to

But in terms of usable gear you want to catalyst conquest gear

[low hornet]

I’ll get my main to 4 set next week so won’t waste time doing it on the rogue. Thanks.

[gusty hedge]

character bound im sure, before they had it account wide and said it was for character only and hotfixed it (catalyst charges)

[low hornet]

Oof. That sucks.

Missed that update.

[rough rock]

Crates

Current conq cap only takes about 2 hours to be fully capped

[outer sky]

Shiv doesnt do anything for damage anymore

Yes

No

Its 20% weaker than mortal strike

Even with the talent

30% healing reduction

MS is 50%

Wound poison s 25%

And it doesnt stack with the pvp talent

So you just get 5% more healing reduction than normal

[willow tartan]

is anyone of you running outlaw in pvp? currently trying it in solo shuffle

it's... an experience

[final dew]

so in cant hit 1600, i know another catalyst is availble tuesday. so, what do i spend my conwq on this week? i got crafted and then shoudlers/helm last week fwith conq

[willow tartan]

survivability feels very nice, aswell as x-cc, but the lack of any burst feels pretty strange

! did you go for prep / killing spree?

[final dew]

aka, what to buy with conq this week, if anything?

wep come next week right?

[outer sky]

Legs

[potent pivot]

It’s decent

[outer sky]

It does that for every spec im pretty sure

[final dew]

wait, legs are 870, con only get 800 this week

so get them next week?

[outer sky]

If you bought head, gloves, and shoulders so far then you should have 125 conquest banked right now assuming you capped. You get 800 on Tuesday. So you'll have 925 which means you can buy legs with 50 conquest to spare

[final dew]

i bought head and shoudlers last week,. craftede belt and boots

[outer sky]

Good

[final dew]

now im capped and only have 800 conq

[outer sky]

Buy gloves

For 700

And when you cap next week you'll be able to buy pants

They nuked the entire class this expansion. Sub is surviving due to numbers tuning, the shot in the Dark talent, and near perma access to shadow dance

Its extremely bad

Assa and outlaw are basically made so that they can never be good

Sub can be

But thats always subject to change

Backstab

[final dew]

i so got the bloody toke gloves and pants, ill lose my 2 set bonus. is the gloves conq stiull worth the upgrade?

[outer sky]

Yes

[potent pivot]

Bloody token set bonus doesn’t work anywhere except wpvp and is dog shit anyway

[outer sky]

Boots and belt

[final dew]

i heard weps are free next week, but how to you get them actually? if ilike a toke you get and go spend it?

[outer sky]

All you have to do is earn 2500 conquest. Which if you capped this week means you'll only need to get 100 conquest next week. That earns you an achievement and that achievement awards two "weapon tokens" you can redeem at the conquest vendor for weapons

[potent pivot]

The reason rings/neck are bad now is because the jewelry embellishments suck this expansion

[outer sky]

I prefeinted a WW monk's leg sweep at like 90% hp and I still had to trinket

[potent pivot]

You can add pvp ilvl to pve tier so you can get tier set faster if you do manage to get tier from raid. You don’t only have to use the catalyst no.

It’ll be the very last thing we do

[outer sky]

Crit/vers

Yeah

Pour one out for TWW S2 where the conquest vendor had a mastery dagger

Im gunna push r1 blitz this season

The title is too good

Im gunna try on all 3 specs across all 4 of my rogues

[dark stump]

apparently it's 4% damage loss

[outer sky]

Once conquest is uncapped im gunna get BIS gear for all 3 specs on my 4 rogues and queue blitz like a degen

Like

I can't not get this title

[rough rock]

Drop killing spree

It’s only good if you can manage to get into a 1v1 with no pets around

I was a KS Stan too don’t get me wrong

But it’s horrible

[outer sky]

Its okay with trickster but killing spree as fatebound is a dps loss

[rough rock]

And if there’s pets around or anybody else the damage gets nerfed so bad

I’m at 19% haste and 23% crit

I dropped the crit talents and just run the vanish now

Way more useful

There’s like 2 outlaws on ladder that run mastery but it’s only in blitz

I personally won’t, I’d rather have more bte refunds

I have two rogues now so I don’t have to worry about it

Oh god not this again

[proven field]

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/1s6ua26/rage_sweat_and_tearsbut_finally_did_it_as_outlaw/

[potent pivot]

can play all 3 specs with haste

[rough rock]

Idk I can’t imagine only relying on MG to do damage with how many escapes people have

That sounds horrible

[proven field]

A man has hit 2300 as outlaw already

[potent pivot]

ivan was still shitting on people as assa with sub gear

think he swapped a few % of haste for mast thats all

[rough rock]

A goat

Bro has less shuffle games than I have blitz and double my outlaw rank

[potent pivot]

i think its the opposite tbh

more haste makes it easier to play

the thing is

sub was so strong you could do whatever

so you didn't need longer dance

[proven field]

A space goat no less

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hanma-yujiro-yujiro-laugh-yujiro-hanma-laugh-gif-25038383

[potent pivot]

but after these next nerfs

[rough rock]

My outlaw will be up there

Undead will rise

[potent pivot]

it compounds

[rough rock]

(500 games later)

[potent pivot]

so its not only dance globals

its also more apex procs, sec tech cdr, etc

like haste sub for shuffle is bis

because you can just pve so much harder

true

[low hornet]

Thanks. It’s just that I would be queueing separately from a guild raid for LFR so might not be the best use of time. But I’ll figure it out if I get stuck anyway. Appreciate the feedback.

[potent pivot]

it'll be another two weeks or something before you can get 4set from pvp alone, so it just depends on how much you care to get it faster

its not big enough to NEED to rush

so its w/e you want to do

just wanted to make sure you had the correct info

[spring bough]

its okay just cheap shot spam them.... oh wait

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-talking-beard-im-an-outlaw-cabron-gif-17582888

[potent pivot]

[dark kernel]

I legitimately thought that the dragon flight Outlaw play style was the most fun play style I have ever had. Except for my nostalgia brain on the hemorrhage

It just is a complete shame the damage was ass

[vocal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-fritter-baki-gif-11019679326178488687

[spring bough]

bring it back blizz idc anymore lmao

or give ace a full refund idek

[balmy shuttle]

Just buff KS by 40% in PvP

while we are at it

[spring bough]

gross KS is dog water

imagine if they made trickster work off BTE instead of KS

[balmy shuttle]

I was about to argue against that but tbh in its current iteration and the weird animation. yes it is

[spring bough]

Give me back the old KS that locks me in to one target and root breaks and then I’d play it

Dog water

[spring bough]

im so sick of 15/16 blitz declines

[gusty hedge]

i sat in que for an hour on sub, just logged off lol

[spring bough]

sub??

i have the obamacare resto druid in my blitz talking about healthcare..... jesus lmao

[fiery turret]

You predict that instead of 18% ish haste it’s better to go straight full haste?

[gusty hedge]

!stats

[lethal roost]

These are the recommended stat priorities for each spec in PvP. Please keep in mind that having suboptimal stats on some pieces such as tier set pieces is not the end of the world.

• Assassination: Vers>Mastery>Haste>Crit
• Outlaw: Vers>Haste=/=Crit>Mastery
  You want to stack at least 20% Haste on Outlaw to lower the GCD during Adrenaline Rush.
• Subtlety: Vers>Haste to 600-700>Mastery>Crit
  Sub now uses a haste threshold to extend Dance and shorten Secret Technique's CD.
  Sub haste rating chart:
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1483399511836725378/image.png?ex=69bc6d33&is=69bb1bb3&hm=21db8524f3add252a5f7556c91a39c6d076b5cbf29926a0ff3de6f1dad996660&

[gusty hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[spring bough]

i spam devour and it hits/crits from 50k to 125k

and reap same thing GG

[dark kernel]

I hate how absurdly low my mastery is, and Nahj is like at 58%

[gusty hedge]

im 44% in pvp combat 😭

[spring bough]

yes really lol

look at this fkin dmg

just 2 button spam all day

yeah 2 lobbies lmao

i did 1 bg lmao

[waxen meteor]

Or save the conquest and see if you happen to get a hand/pant tier from vault lol

Since it’s already Sunday afternoon anyway

I had a solo game yesterday, (pickaboo in it too lol) There’s a frost DK hitting me with cd, I had a fresh feint on when he stunned me, I thought was totally okay, but I was like literally hit to <15% in that stun

But tbh with some burst it’s good for game

Yeah I don’t know those

[final pewter]

does enchant quality work in pvp or can I buy the cheapest one? for example Enchant Ring - Silvermoon's Tenacity

oh i thought theyre normalized in pvp, gotta get some gold then 😄

damn it really is a difference of 2 lol

thats true, thank you sir 😄

😂 got it!

[potent pivot]

The only stuff that quality doesn’t matter for, are materials that go into crafted gear

Anything added to gear after crafts/put on non crafted, matters

[spring bough]

just lost a blitz cause sub rogue had to type about us winning and while he was typing he lets GM get capped

unreal with blitz today

no wonder this sub wanted to sit GM what a win trader

meanwhile we got a hunt

we have 2 caps this sub rogue typing "easy" and then GM gets capped on himk\

actually insane

then i go back to GM and he just sitting there

[potent pivot]

I don’t think we will ever go over the 2 global breakpoint. It’s not exactly 18% either. Go by the actual haste rating

First dance is ass

A few ppl run it in blitz specifically

[final pewter]

okay this feels like playing a private server where you can buy power for donations honestly

[potent pivot]

Not quite

There should be a way to have it always automatically target the other dps player with an addon

[spring bough]

focus macro works ttoo

[spring bough]

another addon????? smh

[final dew]

How bad is this, really?

[potent pivot]

~15%

[harsh kiln]

not super bad

[broken jewel]

the absolute state of random bgs

typing in discord cause 1v29 🙂

alliance has hands and horde have monitor turned off and keyboard not plugged in

[outer sky]

win #13 in a row

idk whats going on

my personal MMR is like 3k now

even though I'm 1944 rated

Before this win

I'm trying to get rank 1 in blitz this season. The title for it on Horde side is the sickest title the game has ever had

I want it so bad

[potent pivot]

Galactic warlord

[outer sky]

Galactic Warlord

No taste

[potent pivot]

More overall damage, more pressure

Is the most basic answer

Even “mast build” takes some haste

Both builds are more than viable(200vs600+ haste)

I can see sticking to the 200haste build for blitz specifically

[gleaming sentinel]

I just went 5-1 in an outlaw/sub/fury/demo lob... the sub went 1-5

[spring bough]

[severe helm]

What are yall doing for alts 70-80 for leveling?

@potent pivot I saw in the thread are people just doing follow the arrow?

or is dungeon queueing still a fast way

[potent pivot]

TWW profs then questing

[severe helm]

kk

[potent pivot]

Dungeon queue is beyond ass

[severe helm]

got it

[potent pivot]

Even timewalking is much slower than questing

Harldans has a guide on the TWW profs

They aren’t as good as when he made the video

[spring bough]

You can level with professions??

[potent pivot]

But they still get you a few levels fast af

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??????

Bro how do you not know this

[spring bough]

I just dungeon Que

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88->90 is all done by delve quest turn ins and first time crafts

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Yea that’s horrid

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You can also still get siren isle level boosting up to 80

[severe helm]

whats that mean